Repub Stupidity Open Thread: Greenland Shall Be OURS!

Cotton is a man who played many games of Risk in his younger days. If only he’d been able to find other people to play it with him, he might have more of a clue today…

(He remains a strong contender for ‘the Newt Gingrich of his generation’, however.)






235 replies
  1. 1
    mrmoshpotato says:

    It’s been a long century. I just celebrated my 100th-fuckIcan’tremember birthday.

    Are we fucking done yet?

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    trollhattan says:

    “one of the first” what, there’s a frickin’ competition to be frist? “It was me!” “Liar, it was ME!!!”

    Bright bunch, we’ve got here.

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    trollhattan says:

    @mrmoshpotato:
    Not until the fat ladyshaved cat sings.

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    Immanentize says:

    Does no one worry that Trump and Cotton are making invasion plans with whoever at DOD and Barr (for the legal check).

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    Immanentize says:

    @mrmoshpotato:
    I’m not done fucking if that was your question…

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    Yarrow says:

    Tom Cotton has dead eyes. He’s scary.

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    Yarrow says:

    Tomorrow could be fun!

    Wonder why Trump is especially off the rails crazy this week?

    The appeals court hearing on Mazars case is Friday. Trump is expected to lose & hence his financials will be forfeited to Congress.

    Celebrating #TGIF early! https://t.co/XjarLvgAOV
    — The Editor Devil (@fairchild01) August 22, 2019

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    Immanentize says:

    @Yarrow:
    Look at Steven Miller. These folks are not just low quality hires, they are pod people.

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    David Koch says:

    Cotton = Randall Flagg

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    trollhattan says:

    Out of I-can’t-evens, but Campos at LGM links to this beaut.

    An email sent from the Justice Department to all immigration court employees this week included a link to an article posted on a white nationalist website that “directly attacks sitting immigration judges with racial and ethnically tinged slurs,” according to a letter sent by an immigration judges union and obtained by BuzzFeed News.

    According to the National Association of Immigration Judges, the Justice Department’s Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) sent court employees a link to a blog post from VDare, a white nationalist website, in its morning news briefing earlier this week that included anti-Semitic attacks on judges. The briefings are sent to court employees every weekday and include links to various immigration news items. BuzzFeed News confirmed the link to a blog post was sent to immigration court employees Monday. The post detailed a recent move by the Justice Department to decertify the immigration judges union.

    A letter Thursday from union chief Ashley Tabaddor to James McHenry, the director of the Justice Department’s EOIR, said the link to the VDare post angered many judges.

    “The post features links and content that directly attacks sitting immigration judges with racial and ethnically tinged slurs and the label ‘Kritarch.’ The reference to Kritarch in a negative tone is deeply offensive and Anti-Semitic,” wrote Tabaddor. The VDare post includes pictures of judges with the term “kritarch” preceding their names.

    Tabaddor said the term kritarchy is a reference to ancient Israel during a time of rule by a system of judges. “VDare’s use of the term in a pejorative manner casts Jewish history in a negative light as an Anti-Semitic trope of Jews seeking power and control,” she wrote.

    Had DOJ managed to become worse, post-Sessions?!?

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    Van Buren says:

    I am wondering (and dreading )what he’s going to do to top this. Because he always ratchets worse.
    Not the worst he’s done by a long shot, but perhaps the most inane.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Immanentize: They are. The two of them have the same eyes. Sarah Huckabee Sanders has them too.

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    yellowdog says:

    @Yarrow: Tom Cotton’s neck doesn’t fit.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Van Buren: Buying Mars? Sending troops into Hong Kong? Nuking France?

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    Kay says:

    Kenneth P. Vogel
    @kenvogel
    · Aug 21
    Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen: “Thankfully, the time where you buy and sell other countries and populations is over.”

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Yarrow:

    Tom Cotton has dead eyes.

    A serious comment. I’ve never been able to see this sort of thing in faces. I mean, there are faces I learn to dislike seeing (Shitlord, Yertle) but that’s b/c of the associations they dredge up. Stephen Miller’s face (spit) doesn’t make me think “dead eyes” or anything. When he starts talking, his affect really skeeves me out, but that’s all.

    I wish I could see these things you all see. Sigh.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Yarrow:
    I think of Deliverance when I see Huck-Sanders. She doesn’t play banjo, does she? But she has a purty mouf.

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    Kay says:

    @trollhattan:

    “The post features links and content that directly attacks sitting immigration judges with racial and ethnically tinged slurs

    Consider who hired them. The President who attacked a sitting judge over his ethnicity. Once they were on board with that it was all over. They know the deal they made.

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    Yarrow says:

    Saw this a day ago and it was striking because it seemed so familiar.

    After three years, the propensity of London media to fall for the spin of Westminster politicians rather than hearing and reading what EU politicians and bodies actually do say continues to disappoint

    Brexit is as much a media and information crisis as a political crisis
    — David Allen Green (@davidallengreen) August 21, 2019

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    Yarrow says:

    Related to the post:

    At this time, Denmark is standing up alone against Russia over Nord Stream 2, which the US has failed to sanction. Trump should have gone to Denmark to grant US support. Instead he demands Danish territory & recommends that Russia is readmitted to the G-7. Trump = Putin's puppet.— Anders Åslund (@anders_aslund) August 21, 2019

    I think a lot of this is the real issue.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @trollhattan: Shave that cat and pull its tail!

    (Fuck you, ‘it’s’ autocorrect!)

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    MattF says:

    @Yarrow: Blockade Copenhagen– a little pressure might have an effect, you never know. Trump probably figured that the Danes weren’t really all that attached to Greenland, since the natives aren’t really white.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Immanentize: That’s not what I’m asking, and why are you monitoring comments during sex?

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I wish I could see these things you all see

    That was insultingly obvious with KG. Learn to spot the frauds.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Immanentize: How DARE you compare this criminal cabal of Kremlin ass-suckers to pod people! :)

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    Brachiator says:

    So, do Republicans have regular meetings where they draw lots to decide who is going to take the fall for the Orange Nightmare?

    Damn, these fools are like a cult.

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    Kay says:

    More corruption from the Trump Administration:

    CREW just obtained damning records of the influence of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago acquaintances within the Department of Veterans Affairs.
    The more than 300 pages of emails, obtained by Freedom of Information Act request, show the outsized influence of Ike Perlmutter, Marc Sherman and Bruce Moskowitz. None of the men have ever worked for the government, nor do they have any specific expertise on the policies they were allowed to shape at one of the largest agencies in the U.S. government. Their main qualification for the unprecedented arrangement was that they were the president’s paying customers as members of Mar-a-Lago, which he continues to own and profit from in office.
    Despite misgivings, career VA employees were obligated to waste taxpayer time and resources to respond to the trio of Mar-a-Lago members—purely because of their connections to Trump. “They are coming from POTUS friend/doctor,” reads one response to a frustrated official, saying that the career official would need to “handle sensitively and with facts.” Many of the VA employees’ frustrations had to do with the trio’s intervention into a VA information technology project; the emails provide hard evidence of what was previously only reported as anonymous sources within the department in a Politico story.

    They’re forced to attend meetings with Trump’s awful country club cronies and answer their “questions”.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Learn to spot the frauds.

    Well, sure. But I spot frauds by what they -say-, not what their faces betray. But I know that many people are in fact capable of spotting lies by the facial tell. Ah, well.

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    sdhays says:

    Denmark should have strung Dump along like Putin did with Trump Tower Moscow. But, of course, “purchasing” as sovereign country was too insulting to just accept. Just posing the idea as finding a way for Greenland to join the US would have been at least minimally respectful.

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    Kay says:

    Let’s bet on whether the “VA nformation technology project” the three Trump cronies consulted on ended with a fat profit for one or all of them.

    They’re just plundering at this point. Grabbing what they can before the corruption free for all ends.

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    Yarrow says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Who or what is KG?

    @Chetan Murthy: “Dead eyes” isn’t about being a fraud. It’s looking at someone and seeing a lack of humanity in their eyes. Cold, dead eyes.

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    Kay says:

    @sdhays:

    It’s typical, though. Cotton crowing publicly about how he planned to plunder the place is typical. They don’t consider anyone but themselves human beings.

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    Yarrow says:

    Talk about your low quality hires…

    TRUMP’S NEW @PRESSSEC: @StephGrisham45’s history might have scared off other administrations. She lost one job after being accused of cheating on expense reports & one over plagiarism charges. She has 2 DUI arrests, including 1 during the Trump campaign. https://t.co/WhAOmhjtla— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) August 22, 2019

    Sheesh.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Yarrow:
    Is that because there is nothing, zip, nada, zero behind them? Just a hole, no gray matter, filled to capacity with whatever it is, in his backed up bowel.

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    It’s like they are having a contest over who can be the stupidest.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    I think Denmark should ask the U.N. to issue a proclamation confirming that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    But I know that many people are in fact capable of spotting lies by the facial tell. Ah, well.

    It depends upon the person doing the lying. For instance, I can always tell when my ex is lying. Her mouth is moving.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:
    Not like a cult.
    Are a cult.

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    catclub says:

    @Yarrow: Kevin Garnett is the only one that springs to mind for me

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    debbie says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Those are eyes that will never look happy to see anyone or anything. That’s how you tell.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Yarrow: @Chetan Murthy: Yes. Think ‘Jaws.’

    Quint: Y’know the thing about a shark, he’s got… lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Kay:

    Cotton crowing publicly about how he planned to plunder the place is typical.

    I think it’s more a case of Cotton covering for the president to show his subservience and loyalty now that the Greenland project is facing worldwide ridicule: “That idiotic idea about buying Greenland was my idea – not President Trump’s – so make fun of me, not him!“.

    Cotton is desperately hoping that Trump will remember that he took one for the team.

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    patrick II says:

    We might like to “own” Iceland, but how much would Icelanders be owned? Iceland has universal healthcare, free public education — including college, a minimum wage of $14, nine months parental leave, they work only 1697 hours a year, and no shooting murders since 2007. Why would they even think of joining this redneck ruled social dystopia? O.K. it’s not perfect, it gets cold in winter, but that wouldn’t change.

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    patrick II says:

    @patrick II:

    much would Icelanders be owned

    that should be willing to be owned. I can’t seem to edit.

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    Raven says:

    @patrick II: and the best goddamn soccer cheer evah!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Yarrow:

    After three years, the propensity of London media to fall for the spin of Westminster politicians rather than hearing and reading what EU politicians and bodies actually do say continues to disappoint

    They are not falling for the spin, the media are also players in the game. The Times of London, the Daily Mail and some other media are reliably Tory, no matter what.

    I used to listen to the BREXIT podcast, put on by journalists from the BBC and other media. It was interesting to note how often they would giggle about all the behind the scenes stuff they knew and what UK ministers and EU officials really believed, but which would never be printed.

    This seems to be a game to all these people. They believe that their own lives will go on much like before, no matter what happens. Only little people might get hurt.

    US media is much the same.

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    tokyokie says:

    @MattF:

    @Yarrow: Blockade Copenhagen– a little pressure might have an effect, you never know. Trump probably figured that the Danes weren’t really all that attached to Greenland, since the natives aren’t really white.

    White? Hell, der Trumpenführer probably assumes that they’re green.

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    laura says:

    @Chetan Murthy: apologies in advance if I mangle this, because I think I understand what your asking -and my learning style is “by analogy”
    When I see an “open face” when a person looks me in the eye, seems interested or engaged, I see a person that I don’t immediately fear (Jimmy Carter, Mr. Roger’s, Oprah for example). When I see a dead eye, my gut sends out a signal of anxiety, fear, fight or flight response, I trust that feeling ( Tom Cotton, Liz Cheney, Chris Christie, trump crime family). It’s an emotional quotient assessment. Tom Cotton is an educated dangerous fool with aspirations to power. I’d cross the street if I saw him coming unless staying on the same side meant I could spit on him.

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    chris says:

    Charlie Pierce pointed out that Cotton is worse than Trump and more dangerous because he’s a lot smarter. Yikes.

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    trollhattan says:

    @chris:
    The same can and has been said about Ted Cruz. We can’t ever sleep on these people.

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    @Kay: Mette Frederiksen rocks.

    More women PMs please.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    CREW just obtained damning records of the influence of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago acquaintances within the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    This is especially galling. Trump loves to brag about how much he loves vets, and how he is doing more for them than any other president.

    It stands to reason that this really means that he has especially targeted the VA to be plundered.

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    NotMax says:

    @Yarrow
    Cold, dead eyes.

    Case in point, Mike Flynn.

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    cmorenc says:

    @trollhattan:

    Had DOJ managed to become worse, post-Sessions?!?

    It’s weird indeed that Jeff Sessions turned out to be a true man of integrity, relative to everyone else in Trump’s maladministration, OK, so judging Sessions by that standard is giving him the benefit of one Hell of a curve in the grading scale, but nonetheless it’s true that Sessions was light-years ahead of his successor Barr in the integrity Dept, as well as the interim hacks at that post.

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    bmoak says:

    @David Koch:

    More than any other contemporary political figure, Cotton reminds me of President Stillson from The Dead Zone.

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    @Brachiator:

    Damn, these fools are like a cult.

    There’s no “like” about it. They’ve become a personality cult, just as they have been threatening to do since the days of Reagan.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: I look at Flynn and I see crazy eyes.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Brachiator:

    This seems to be a game to all these people.

    I’ve noticed that as well. I follow Ian Dunt, a journalist and Remainer who is way smarter than any British politician on either side of Brexit, and although he speaks eloquently about Brexit, he can’t resist constantly joking around, and portraying politicians as clueless buffoons at every opportunity. That may well be true, but as with Trump, the greater truth is that they are powerful and dangerous buffoons, and frauds to boot.

    Joking about them is counterproductive: many think the United Kingdom now has a lovable buffoon as Prime Minister, but he is far more a dangerous liar who will say and do anything that is in his own self-interest.

    And British journalists just grin and shake their heads, and guffaw at the old rogue.

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    Baud says:

    @Mandalay:

    Everyone want to act like us internet denizens. No one has gravitas anymore.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    Senior Trump officials had discussed offering Denmark a deal where the U.S. would take over its annual $600 million subsidy to Greenland, plus a large one-time payment to incentivize the transfer

    It has been pointed out from time to time that some states in the US receive more in federal funds than they give in federal taxes. These dependent states [i’m looking at you Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina] are being subsidized by the other donor states — probably to a tune of more that $600 million. Do you think we can get a buyer?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: I beg your pardon, I still have mine.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Baud:

    No one has gravitas anymore.

    Except Baud/2020! More gravitas than a lead balloon.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Roger Moore:

    There’s no “like” about it. They’ve become a personality cult, just as they have been threatening to do since the days of Reagan.

    Some want to insist that there is a continuity with all Republicans. I’m not sure I agree

    But let me ask a question. I knew of Reagan as a governor and president. I never got the impression that he didn’t care for his country, even if I thought he was wrong about a lot of shit to the point of being evil.

    I don’t think that Trump cares about anyone or anything besides himself, his reputation and Ivanka (as long as she continues to look youthful). He may well have sold out to the Russians.

    I believe that many in the GOP would sell out the country to American plutocrats. But I believe that Trump would sell the country AND the GOP to Putin. And so, I think the GOP is fundamentally stupid if they think they can control Trump.

    I had lunch with a friend the other day and mentioned the time I tried to persuade some friends and tax clients from getting involved in a dodgy investment scheme. They kinda knew it was a bad deal, but thought they could stay in until they made a nice profit. I tried to tell them that only two people knew when a con was going to end. The cops, if they were going to bust it, and the grifter, if he was going to run away.

    Anyway, my question. My political history can always be improved. Do you know of past GOP administrations and governments that have been as staggeringly stupid and corrupt?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @MalcolmNance
    Follow Follow @MalcolmNance
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    Denmark offers to buy America from Russia https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2019/08/21/denmark-buy-america-from-russia/ … via @@RochdaleHerald

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Kay: Did anyone say anything about buying the population? I expect they will get an eviction notice.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    The linked story is well worth reading.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Whoa. James Fallows is shrill. And he is not wrong.

    His blog at The Atlantic site: If Trump Were an Airline Pilot

    … But now we’ve had something we didn’t see so clearly during the campaign. These are episodes of what would be called outright lunacy, if they occurred in any other setting: An actually consequential rift with a small but important NATO ally, arising from the idea that the U.S. would “buy Greenland.” Trump’s self-description as “the Chosen One,” and his embrace of a supporter’s description of him as the “second coming of God” and “King of the Jews.” His logorrhea, drift, and fantastical claims in public rallies, and his flares of belligerence at the slightest challenge in question sessions on the White House lawn. His utter lack of affect or empathy when personally meeting the most recent shooting victims, in Dayton and El Paso. His reduction of any event, whatsoever, into what people are saying about him.

    Obviously I have no standing to say what medical pattern we are seeing, and where exactly it might lead. But just from life I know this:

    If an airline learned that a pilot was talking publicly about being “the Chosen One” or “King of the Jews” (or Baptists or whatever), the airline would be looking carefully into whether this person should be in the cockpit.

    If a hospital had a senior surgeon behaving as Trump now does, other doctors and nurses would be talking with administrators and lawyers before giving that surgeon the scalpel again.

    If a public company knew that a CEO was making costly strategic decisions on personal impulse or from personal vanity or slight, and was doing so more and more frequently, the board would be starting to act. (See: Uber, management history of.)

    If a university, museum, or other public institution had a leader who routinely insulted large parts of its constituency—racial or religious minorities, immigrants or international allies, women—the board would be starting to act.

    If the U.S. Navy knew that one of its commanders was routinely lying about important operational details, plus flaring up under criticism, plus talking in “Chosen One” terms, the Navy would not want that person in charge of, say, a nuclear-missile submarine. (See: The Queeg saga in The Caine Mutiny, which would make ideal late-summer reading or viewing for members of the White House staff.)

    Yet now such a person is in charge not of one nuclear-missile submarine but all of them—and the bombers and ICBMs, and diplomatic military agreements, and the countless other ramifications of executive power.

    If Donald Trump were in virtually any other position of responsibility [Fallows’ italics], action would already be under way to remove him from that role. The board at a public company would have replaced him outright or arranged a discreet shift out of power. (Of course, he would never have gotten this far in a large public corporation.) The chain-of-command in the Navy or at an airline or in the hospital would at least call a time-out, and check his fitness, before putting him back on the bridge, or in the cockpit, or in the operating room. (Of course, he would never have gotten this far as a military officer, or a pilot, or a doctor.)

    But we are hostage to Mitch McConnell and those Fallows called “Vichy Republicans” earlier in his post.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Trump probably has carried out three-way phone calls with his top foreign policy advisors: Tom Cotton and Sean Hannity. The word “cakewalk” might get thrown around a lot. Cotton seems to have a raging wingnut hard-on for tangling with Iran, and we’re bound to hear a lot more about that.

    Cotton seems to be a ringleader among the GOP senators, most of whom couldn’t find Iran on a map. They’re happy with domestic policy and tax cuts. There is a very good chance Cotton will be the Republican presidential nominee in 5-10 years, which will be very bad news indeed.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Mandalay:

    Cotton is desperately hoping that Trump will remember that he took one for the team.

    Interesting theory. I suspect that Trump will take it as Cotton trying to steal the credit.

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    HalfAssedHomesteader says:

    I just want to go on record that the state of Georgia is also not for sale! Under no circumstances! Good day sir!

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    JPL says:

    OMG He’s tweeting about Dancing with the stars. Whomever or Whoever had that on their bingo cards wins.
    I have no idea what they win, but they win nonetheless.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    If the U.S. Navy knew that one of its commanders was routinely lying about important operational details, plus flaring up under criticism, plus talking in “Chosen One” terms, the Navy would not want that person in charge of, say, a nuclear-missile submarine.

    Point of order, the modern US armed forces would and have covered for the insanity of commanding officers that should have gotten them discharged without honor.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mike in NC:

    There is a very good chance Cotton will be the Republican presidential nominee in 5-10 years, which will be very bad news indeed.

    No no, the American electorate will never elect that egotistic sack of hammers to the presidency..
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. 10,000 unemployed comedians and here I am giving it away for free.

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    Raven says:

    @HalfAssedHomesteader: he can have Winder

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    Brachiator says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    True story. I’ve always been a night person, or battled insomnia. When I was a teen, I would hang out at all night diners and other places open very late. Every now and then you would see lower level criminals taking a break. They would often have dead eyes. They would look at you and decide whether you were a competitor, a cop, a customer or nobody. Fortunately, I was a nobody.

    Some years later I was visiting some store to buy gifts for friends. Hedi Fleiss was making an appearance, selling some clothing line. I remember that some print columnists and talk radio hosts had come to her defense, painting her as a victim and noting how her father was a respectable doctor. She came from a good family.

    But I remembered that she was a madam, not an escort. She served up young women to her clients.

    When she was not posing for the camera, I saw her up close. And you know what? Same cold, dead eyes as the low level criminals.

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    MomSense says:

    @JPL:

    You made me LOL thinking about all of us sitting at long tables playing the most bizarre bingo game ever.

    I had to go check it out and now I’m hoping we will get to enjoy some new Melissa McCarthy skits.

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    TenguPhule says:

    ‘Everyone is nervous’: Trump muddles his message on the U.S. economy

    If they’re only nervous now, they’re stupid. At this stage of the meltdown its TOO LATE to start making contingency plans.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Elizabelle:
    Coincidentally, Trump’s airline employer is German Wings.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Customs and Border Patrol agents are searching for a 3-year-old boy who is believed missing after attempting to cross the Rio Grande near the Eagle Pass border crossing in Texas.

    The child and his mother are believed to be part of a group of 12 migrants who were seen attempting to cross the river at 1:30am on 20 August. Members of the group reported that the pair were swept away by the current, CBP said.

    The body of a 28-year-old Honduran woman, believed to be the toddler’s mother, was recovered yesterday.

    “This is heartbreaking tragedy that occurs too often,” said Del Rio Sector Chief Patrol Agent Raul L Ortiz in a statement. “Border Patrol agents are using all available resources in the search for the missing boy.”

    The Eagle Pass border crossing is just a few miles from the site of the drowning of a father and his 23-old-month daughter in June. Their lifeless bodies, floating amid reeds, were captured in a devastating photograph that was published widely by media outlets hoping to draw attention to the unnecessary peril created by US policy on the southern border.

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    Yarrow says:

    @JPL: No surprise. People are threatening to boycott DWTS because Sean Spicer is on it. Trump tweeted to “defend” him because Spicer worked for his administration. The whole thing is just dumb except for ABC normalizing Sean Spicer, which is terrible.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Great piece. Depressing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    After Trump reportedly joked about trading Greenland for Puerto Rico – residents of the US territory considered the deal.

    Not the Onion.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Yarrow:

    They’ve been playing that game with DWTS for a long time. Tom DeLay, Bristol Palin — it’s one of the many reasons I stopped watching it. Hell, even Tom Bergeron complained publicly about this one.

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    Dan B says:

    @Chetan Murthy: These folks smile and their mouths are frequently distorted. The same thing happens with their eyelids. The upper eyelids in a normal person lift up very slightly when they are happy. The edges of the eyelids curl up slightly as well. In addition their eyes tend to fix in an unwavering stare. It’s called a blank stare. They often look slightly down – their head is tilted diwn but the eyes look straight ahead so the top of iris is often under the upper eyelid. The intent, conscious or not, is to project menace. Mr. Burns on the Simpsons is drawn this way. It’s a tell that they are afraid if they don’t project power they will be attacked or at least put down. Their game is dominance and everyone else must submit. They’re the ones who want to know who is the wife and who is the husband in gay relations because they can’t conceive of coequal relationships.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Mark Hamill

    @HamillHimself
    Luke when he heard who just declared himself “The Chosen One”.

    13.3K
    9:05 AM – Aug 22, 2019

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Absolutely Spectacular Time-Lapse Stormchaser Video: “From Darkness to Light”

    4 minutes you won’t get back, but it’s still phenomenal videography.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Yarrow: When I see these soulless ghouls I halfway expect to see slimy tentacles burst through their suit jackets and alien buggy eyes pop out of foreheads a la alien creatures from Men In Black.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: I understand what Fallows is saying but I disagree with it to a certain extent. People in power are allowed to get away with a lot of stuff before they are finally removed. It seems awfully aspirational that people at the top will be removed for their concerning behavior. My experience is that everything possible is done by underlings to cover for them.

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    chris says:

    I missed this yesterday. Threatening Europe should go well and where are all these ISIS prisoners? And, and… (Caution, video attached.)

    Trump threatens Europe. "We're holding thousands of ISIS fighters right now. And Europe has to take them. And if Europe doesn't take them, I'll have no choice but to release them into the countries from which they came. Which is Germany and France and other places." pic.twitter.com/iroBd7Txgo— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) 21 August 2019

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: WOW Reminds me of the time that we lived in ILL.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Ruckus: “Backed up bowel” is a perfect description of the Rethuglican Bully Daddies and the media minions who love and enable them.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Yarrow: The examples in the excerpt are off as well. There are plenty of examples in the military and CEO land where people refused to believe their own lying eyes.
    Even the Caine Mutiny example has the presumption that there was nothing wrong with the captain by the chain of command. The mutineers go on trial. And in the end the defense attorney for the acquitted mutineers attacks them for their lack of support for the mad captain

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    Yarrow says:

    @JaySinWA: Yep. And I can speak from experience in the medical profession. Like I said, nice thought but aspirational.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: We saw the Overstock.com glibertarian have to relinquish his CEO/seat on the board. Today. Because he was romantically and philosophically involved with Russian spy Maria Butina. And turned out the be a complete nutcase, which sent his company’s stock tumbling 36% since those revelations.

    Trump, and all of his bottom of the barrel hires, are something we really haven’t seen before. To this extent. People complained about the U.S. Grant administration, but in retrospect, he seems like a very decent guy. I don’t know anything about his presidency. Need to learn up there.

    Kay spotlighted a FTF NYTimes story on the new press secretary, and what an appalling record she’s got. She would not be hireable in a lot of companies. But they’re there, pulling down healthy salaries for destroying our country from within.

    About Stephanie Grisham (and could you name her?): Kay pulled out this text:

    Her career history contains red flags that most administrations might deem troubling. They include losing a private-sector job after being accused of cheating on expense reports, a later job loss over plagiarism charges and two arrests for driving under the influence, the second while working on Mr. Trump’s campaign.

    I think this is unprecedented. I also feel like it’s coming to a head. The ground seems to be shifting. People have had enough. It’s the gun massacres. It’s the having a president who’s a laughingstock.

    It’s being terrified what is going to happen to your investments, to your home values. To your job.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: Living in the flatlands can be exciting. We get some good storms here in the Ozarks (saw a thundercloud that towered over 30,000 feet yesterday) (I swear!) but the plains? For viewing? For ferocity? Nothing quite like it.

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    japa21 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Absolutely riveting. I may need to go back and throw away another 4 minutes of my life, never to be seen again, just to watch it again later.

    Thanks.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @zhena gogolia: Don’t forget D-in-Meats Perry.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good way to spend 4 minutes of 4 years we won’t get back.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Elizabelle:

    But now we’ve had something we didn’t see so clearly during the campaign

    .

    I have to disagree. Many of us foresaw this type of behavior.

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    MomSense says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Wonderful!

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    Duane says:

    @Elizabelle: Fallows is right. Trumpov rambles on like a nut. I’ve heard him this week talking to reporters and how they keep from asking if he’s lost his mind is beyond me. In a normal workplace he’d be gone.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: I think we’re heading in the direction of Trump no longer being in office. How that happens I’m not sure.

    The point I and JaySinWA were making is that there are a lot of examples of objectively crazy people in positions of power who are being propped up and kept in place for some reason. Even in large organizations and publicly traded companies. How long had Mr. Overstock been a nutcase before he got found out? I’d expect plenty of his cronies knew about him but kept him there for whatever reasons.

    I get what James Fallows is saying but the excerpt you posted makes it sound like “if it were any other field Trump would be gone” and I categorically disagree with that assessment.

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    JR says:

    He’s like a stupid Vizzini

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Kathleen: Agreed. “This racist, fascist, pussy-grabbing asshole is fucking crazy!” doesn’t have limits on behavior.

    A lot of us aren’t surprised at all this. Repulsed, of course. But we saw this coming from the “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists.”, I-want-to-ban-all-Muslims Soviet shitpile.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kathleen:

    In Fallows’ defense, he brought up the pu$$ygrabbing and racial slurs earlier. Also referred to the Vichy Republicans who went right along with it.

    But I think this past week has rattled him a bit.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: Very good point about those within the company knowing the Overstock CEO was a nut job. No doubt.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: From IL we moved to Dallas, TX, but because of the city lights the stars at night
    were not big and bright.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Yarrow: Hear, hear. It takes something pretty spectacular to kick out the props. In the case of Overstock a loss of over a third of market value after the CEO publicly showed his ass probably precipitated his downfall.
    Would a stock market crash of 8000 points do in Trump? Perhaps, but I am not rooting for that. Pretty much any major crisis will hurt a lot of people before it takes out Trump.

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    @JPL:

    because of the city lights the stars at night
    were not big and bright.

    Tell me about it.

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    mart says:

    @debbie:

    GOP is selling USA Greenland T shirts to raise money. What won’t the rubes buy?

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    Baud says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Agreed. But some people whose votes we need need to convince themselves that this was unpredictable.

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    WhatsMyNym says:

    Did anybody comment on John Hickenlooper switching to run against incumbent Sen. Cory Gardner?
    Two dropping out of the race for Pres. in one day (Inslee being the other).

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Cotton is a man who played many games of Risk in his younger days.

    when he wasn’t “experimenting” on squirrels and rabbits he trapped in the backyard, and decapitating the barbie dolls he stole from girls in the neighborhood.

    That boy maybe be the that-boy-ain’t-righest boy on the right. He makes Rick Santorum look reassuringly normal.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Elizabelle:

    But we are hostage to Mitch McConnell and those Fallows called “Vichy Republicans” earlier in his post.

    Something just passed through my head.

    If Republicans are “Vichy Republicans”, who’re the Nazis? It’s all the same party. Dump didn’t invade the Republican party. They’ve wanted this for decades.

    From Grover Norquist wanting someone stupid and/or fascist enough to sign whatever batshit crazy bills are put on his desk to Newt Gringrich making fun of Chelsea Clinton back in 1993, Dump’s election was at least 25 years in the making, though the Republican party has been a POS for 40+ years.

    This wasn’t an invasion that some wanted to collaborate with. It was welcomed with open arms and tears of joy.

    “Hooray! We had to endure 8 years of an elitest Negro who liked spicy mustard!”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I’m in downtown Kent, Ohio. What are the chances that I’m going to get shot by a national guardsman?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I still would like to know how Cotton avoided being Douglas Niedermeyer in Iraq.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There is no place to hide on the plains.

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    germy says:

    Comment over at LGM:

    sigaba • an hour ago

    Monday: It didn’t happen, lying press anonymous sources!

    Tuesday: It was just a joke, he’s very funny. Prime Minister of Denmark can’t take a joke.

    Wednesday: Your overreaction is the real story, lib derangement! If you people are ever in power again it will be terrifying, look at how you hate America.

    Thursday: He sometimes is clumsy but the underlying point is a good one, Greenland has rare earth minerals that we can mine once climate change gets rid of the glaciers (We’re at Wednesday on Global Warming)

    Friday: It’s good that he said it, at least someone’s Doing Something about Greenland. Anyway you libs hate Russia so you should be for it, you’re so disloyal.

    Saturday: Death to Denmark

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Need to be on the campus of Kent State for that. Preferably enrolled in ROTC and just walking by the quad.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mrmoshpotato: You are not wrong.

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    Mainmata says:

    @Yarrow: Yes, absolutely. The Tories and their media allies have minimized the danger of Britain becoming “Little England”. Certainly, Scotland will leave; they have the resources and N. Ireland will work with Eire to keep a trade relationship.

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    debbie says:

    @mart:

    What crappy designs!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    I still would like to know how Cotton avoided being Douglas Niedermeyer in Iraq.

    I assume any unit he served in wasn’t issued firearms.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    You’ll be fine as long as you put flowers in their rifle barrels. That always works.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I’m in downtown Kent, Ohio. What are the chances that I’m going to get shot by a national guardsman?

    If you loudly declare you’re a lawyer? I’d say 1:1.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @JR: Inconceivable!

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    germy says:

    @TenguPhule: Maybe someone threw a stapler at him.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy: Somehow its Saturday already.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud:

    Agreed. But some people whose votes we need need to convince themselves that this was unpredictable.

    I think it’s easier to overwhelm the purity crowd. It’s damn hard to tell yourself, even alone at night, that you fucked over democracy because 4-8 years of Hillary was a fucking bridge too far.

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    I think Cotton is falling on the sword to curry favor with the Orange and inherit his base. Will be useful when he runs for President in 2024.

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    germy says:

    @raven: Larry Taylor (Canned Heat) has died at 77.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @schrodingers_cat: if Cotton becomes (not going to say “is elected”) president, we will pine for the halcyon days of Orange Julius

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “never bring a knife to a gunfight—bring flowers instead!”

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    Chyron HR says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    If Republicans are “Vichy Republicans”, who’re the Nazis?

    The hostile country that took over the US and installed a puppet government in 2016?

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    germy says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I get an Anthony Perkins vibe from Cotton (his role in PSYCHO)

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    Yarrow says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I agree. He’s scary. Those dead eyes. He’s worse than Trump because he’s not incompetent.

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    Cacti says:

    @Mainmata:

    Yes, absolutely. The Tories and their media allies have minimized the danger of Britain becoming “Little England”. Certainly, Scotland will leave; they have the resources and N. Ireland will work with Eire to keep a trade relationship.

    I heard that Boris offered Ireland the chance to ditch the EU and join in a new partnership with perfidious Albion.

    The laughter in Dublin must have been a seismic event.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cacti: “He’s been in the cooking sherry again.”

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    germy says:

    Some former Trump admin officials in recent days said they were increasingly worried about Trump's behavior, NYT reports. Trump now has fewer aides around him willing or able to challenge him, much less restrain his more impulsive instincts.https://t.co/Dwv9HiTld5— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 22, 2019

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    JanieM says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Unsnarkily, go to the university and find this:

    Prentice Lot Individual Student Markers Installed

    The university installed at the sites in the Prentice Hall parking lot where the four students were killed on May 4, 1970. A portal website was created.

    It is extremely moving, or at least it was to me. I grew up an hour or so away from there and had high school friends who were students at KSU in 1970.

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    raven says:

    @Yarrow: I’m seeing G Gordon Liddy.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Mike in NC: which is why we need to lay waste to the entire party and it’s media apparatus

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    Mart says:

    @debbie: I thought the T shirt with the red, white, and blue maps of the USA with the map of Greenland shown just above Maine was pretty sweet; except they forgot to keep the meridium projection showing Greenland to be the size of half of the US. Still thinking of buying and framing the shirt like a sports jersey. I would put it next to my Mad Magazine cover with Trump’s head being a Jack-In-The-Box, and smiling Alfred E. Newman springing out of it. As good a predictor of the Trump Presidency as any.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @JPL:

    because of the city lights the stars at night were not big and bright.

    You’ve got an absolutely beautiful lyric there, now you need to go write the rest of the song.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Too soon.
    I dated a guy from Kent when I was in college. He was a townie, but I knew people who were there that day. Not close enough to be in danger, it turned out, but it changed their lives, and not in a good way. Only one of them knew a victim.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Chyron HR: Reasonable assessment. Though personally I don’t draw divisions between Nazis and their collaborators.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @germy:

    WHY DON’T THEY MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT TO THIS EFFECT?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Cacti:

    I heard that Boris offered Ireland the chance to ditch the EU and join in a new partnership with perfidious Albion.

    It really is comical. Or, it would be if it weren’t so serious.

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    Raven says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: It changed my life and I was in Urbana.

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    Raven says:

    he day before a gunman in El Paso carried out the deadliest attack against Latinos in modern US history, the Texas governor sent out an anti-immigrant fundraising letter calling on Republicans to “DEFEND TEXAS NOW” and “take matters into our own hands”, according to news reports.

    The 2 August letter from the governor, Greg Abbott, lamented that in “just three weeks in June, 45,000 illegal immigrants were apprehended crossing the Mexican border into Texas!” It continued: “That amounts to the entire population of Galveston – every three weeks. In just six months, we’d add the population of Arlington!”

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    Yarrow says:

    @zhena gogolia: Because they’re cowards, more concerned with their careers than the welfare of the country they claim to love.

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    chris says:

    B-J on Linux/Chrome takes 3 minutes to load and a comment takes 5 minutes. Hi, stackpathcdn!
    Firefox loos like a rescue page and won’t scroll. So that’s out.

    Works on Android. Weird. New website, anyone?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Brexit was all over Bloomberg this morning, and not one iota of the coverage was sanguine about Britain’s prospects.

    Meanwhile, in between dodging the pipes and wrenches being swung at me by ornery Teamsters, I have been working with an increasing depressed lawyer in London about moving our European works council rep to Ireland. On a related note, real estate prices in Dublin are totes OOC as companies move work there as the English-speaking option in the E.U. The Brits are so fucked in so many ways.

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    Kathleen says:

    @mrmoshpotato: I’m a bit surprised because I think Fallows is one of the better reporters and I thought he would have had more insight early on. But he was not alone in that.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Raven: among all the other stupid things in this letter, it inaccurately assumes that these migrants are all staying in Texas. You’re just the gateway, you paranoid egomaniacs.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: They’ll always have that sweet Russian money. Also, they can look forward to becoming a colony of America.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Elizabelle: Thank you for adding that context. I do consider Fallows to be much better than many of his peers. Sadly, I am neither surprised nor freaked out about these latest developments. I must be a terrible cynic because I believe he is capable of anything and nothing he does will shock me. That applies to many of his fellow Rethuglicans as well.

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    smintheus says:

    I think Cotton is just trying to provide some cover for Trump on this. His claim that the US fears China will get permission to build naval bases on Greenland and that’s the reason for trying to buy it … is particularly ridiculous.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mainmata:

    Certainly, Scotland will leave; they have the resources…

    Hardly. More like they have the debt:

    Scotland ran a deficit seven times higher than the UK as a whole last year, despite again cutting its overspend on public services…

    Scotland’s notional deficit stood at £12.6bn or 7% of GDP, including North Sea oil revenues, compared with the UK’s total £23.5bn deficit, which includes Scotland’s figure. The UK deficit is equivalent to 1.1% of its GDP…

    The Scottish National party wants Trident scrapped and Mackay confirmed that his government would refuse to repay its share of UK debt after independence. He said the SNP would instead offer “solidarity payments” to cover its share of historic debts, but he admitted he did not know whether the UK government would agree to that arrangement.

    The SNP wants to be like Argentina, and wipe their slate clean because…..honoring your obligations is so icky. Good luck with that approach, you fucking con artists.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    O/T. A friend of mine in a political chat room just said that Scaramucci is on CNN and is “ripping into Trump so hard, he makes Cohen look like Trump’s mentor.” LOL!

    Anybody watching this? I don’t own a TV but will likely be able to see it online before long.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Yarrow:

    They’ll always have that sweet Russian money.

    That’s the whole point of Brexit, n’est-ce pas, to get rid of the E.U. rules so that London real estate can remain a money laundering/money stashing spot for Russian oligarchs?

    London:Russian oligarchs::Miami:Latin American oligarchs

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Brexit was all over Bloomberg this morning, and not one iota of the coverage was sanguine about Britain’s prospects.

    The Germans mocked the crap out of Brexit last October. (They were even nice enough to add English subtitles.)

    This is what Brexit REALLY means

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I think Scaramucci is a con. Don’t trust a word he says.

    @Steve in the ATL: Pretty much. Also, there’s tons of Russian money in south Florida.

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    smintheus says:

    @Elizabelle: I think Fallows is too sanguine about the Navy’s supposed scrupulous dedication to honesty, competence and reasonableness. Naval officers cover up for themselves, their friends and shipmates more or less routinely…or at best, keep mum. This also isn’t true:

    If a university, museum, or other public institution had a leader who routinely insulted large parts of its constituency—racial or religious minorities, immigrants or international allies, women—the board would be starting to act.

    I taught at a college where for 10 years the president daily insulted and abused anybody he wished, with zero action by the board. I had only been teaching there about one month when he began to single me out with sneering and thinly veiled threats (because I wouldn’t suck up to him, I suppose). Almost nobody else at the college stood by anybody he abused because academics are cowardly on the whole.

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    Jay says:

    I think you’ll like my new stump speech. https://t.co/PgDktxu4pi— Jay Inslee (@JayInslee) August 22, 2019

    Not the Onion, points to the Onion.

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    Jay says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Both the Brit MSM and the North American MSM covers Brexit as if the EU doesn’t exist and has no agency.

    Funny that.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    I wonder if Trump finding out that most Greenlanders are Inuit would dampen his zeal for buying Greenland from Denmark. He probably thinks they’re all Scandinavian blondes. 😂

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    Jay says:

    @smintheus:

    Yup. Academic horror stories, the local Recruiter for the Atheletic Program died in a Victoria hotel room of a fentanyl od, with a 17 year old female “recruit”. Everybody knew he was a coke head who preyed on young girls, even his Wife and children, but they kept their mouths shut, buried the reporting for 20 years from lower level staff, because he brought in the sweet sweet money from donors, the DOE, and talent from the A Leagues.

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    JR says:

    @Brachiator: The fact that there is not even a single Marat — nevermind a thousand of them — out there filling the void is truly remarkable.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: What are the chances you’ll find food with flavor and texture….. errr Cow products…. but vegetables that have any hint of texture and/or life?

    Maybe things have changed in metro-Akron in the last few decades.

    And let me tell you about the time a friend and I were in Akron to visit family at Christmas and tried to find a gay bar or a drty bookstore that might know about a gay bar and then asked cabbies. We finally high taiked it out of there ahead of a blizzard but not after spending a number of minutes in fluorescent lit bars with small clusters of nearly lifeless men.

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    chopper says:

    and it’s going to own when they find out about the Mercator Projection.

    as i said in another thread some place, trump probably thinks the Mercator Projection is a ludlum novel.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    British TV/Movie writer

    James Dyer @ jamescdyer
    -Wow. Just… wow. Just went through LAX immigration. Presented my journalist visa and was stopped by the CBP agent and accused of being part of the ‘fake news media’.
    -He wanted to know if I’d ever worked for CNN or MSNBC or other outlets that are “spreading lies to the American people.” He aggressively told me that journalists are liars and are attacking their democracy.

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    RAVEN says:

    BOSTON — It took all of 12 minutes for the Red Sox to win a baseball game that had been delayed for 15 days.

    Brock Holt’s single down the line in left field gave Boston a historic kind of walkoff victory over the Royals, as the hosts captured the first suspended game for the club since 2010.

    It’s too simple to call this a 5-4 Red Sox victory over the Royals in 10 innings. Thursday afternoon’s scene at Fenway Park was much more than that.

    Christian Vazquez lined a one-out double to left-center, Sam Travis was intentionally walked and Chris Owings served as the pinch runner at second base. Holt worked the count to 1-and-1 against Kansas City left-hander Richard Lovelady before slapping a liner to the base of the Green Monster.

    “It was probably the best outcome that we could have had today,” Holt said. “We’ll take it.”

    The game resumed on time at 1:05 p.m. on a warm, humid afternoon in the city. Bright sunshine poked through puffy clouds, and there was no threat of a similar deluge to the one that stopped play more than two weeks ago. Josh Taylor set down the Royals 1-2-3 in the top of the 10th, giving the Red Sox an immediate chance to record a sixth walkoff victory of the season.

    “Glad we could pull off a quick win for everybody,” Taylor said. “It was a good team win. It was kind of a strange situation going into it with a 2-and-1 count and all that.”

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    Barbara says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Doubt it. Knowing they aren’t European will make it easier to justify stealing their resources and polluting their air and water.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @chris:

    New website, anyone?

    Soon come, mon.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Scary. We are in deep trouble.

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    Keith P. says:

    Anyone else watching Chris Cuomo interview the former Overstock CEO? Bonkers interview…all over the map, with about 10 different “OK this is the main event”s and a conspiracy where James Comey and Peter Strzock have this guy sleep with Maria Butina and knowingly get in with Hillary, Trump, Rubio, and Cruz so the FBI could blackmail everyone.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    But I know that many people are in fact capable of spotting lies by the facial tell.

    TBH I usually need video to see the tells, which are small facial movements.
    Cotton is intelligent and does not appear to be neurotypical, which can make reading him difficult. It’s the arrogance and nastyness that most get to me:
    Chair of the imbecile caucus: Sen. Tom Cotton proudly stands at the vanguard of shameless Republican obstructionism – Cotton’s spiteful blockade of recently deceased Obama nominee Cassandra Butts sums up what’s wrong with the GOP (Gary Legum, June 8, 2016)

    H]e explained that he knew that she was a close friend of Obama’s — the two first encountered each other on a line for financial-aid forms at Harvard Law School, where they were classmates — and that blocking her was a way to inflict special pain on the president.
    Cotton’s spokeswoman did not dispute Butts’s characterization of that meeting, and stressed, in separate emails, that Cotton had enormous respect for her and her career.

    No, Cotton kept this hold for two reasons. The first is that he is a nasty, small-minded, arrogant, repugnant, self-righteous, testosterone-fueled warmongering jackhole with an over-inflated sense of his own value both to the nation’s political process and humanity in general.

    The arrogance, to be clear, is not justified, IMO. (Also it’s bad form and leads to mistakes.)

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    chris says:

    @Gin & Tonic: God’s, I hope so! Works on Android but eats battery life.

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    Brachiator says:

    @chopper:

    and it’s going to own when they find out about the Mercator Projection.

    as i said in another thread some place, trump probably thinks the Mercator Projection is a ludlum novel.

    I don’t think that Trump has ever read a novel in his entire life.

    And If you Google “Trump favorite author” stories and an interview clip from 1987 come up, with Trump struggling to talk about his supposed favorite writers.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Boy wait till the Libertarians hear about this

    ACLU @ ACLU
    Ramon Torres, a U.S. citizen, was detained for four days — despite carrying a U.S. passport, a driver’s license, and a Social Security card.
    The sheriff’s office explained that they had a policy of detaining all Latinx people for immigration review.

    Ascension Parish, LA

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mrmoshpotato: That’s excellent.

    Der Englische Patient, with Boris Johnson in a straightjacket. The picture frame: you are either in or out. Brilliant.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dan B:

    What are the chances you’ll find food with flavor and texture….. errr Cow products…. but vegetables that have any hint of texture and/or life?

    I drove right past Bob Evans! Kent has a decent little downtown. Lots of bar food and such, but a few places that had some farm to table food. My meal was good, and probably fucking awesome by local standards!

    There is at least something of a gay scene there now, as I saw two men wearing pink shirts.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @zhena gogolia: They fear the wrath of Don.

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    Jay says:

    The U.N. has clearly stated that the transformation required of us is massive and that Indigenous people, who are historically the best stewards of land, have the best guidance to offer. This is a moment to spread and embrace that truth.https://t.co/z9XfdegBiQ— Puff the Magic Hater (@MsKellyMHayes) August 23, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Could have been worse. ICE deported over 2400 Americans in 2018, some after 3 years in detention. About 1100 have managed to make it home.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Keith P.: Strzok.

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    Jay says:

    This is a shorter piece by award winning climate reporter @DahrJamail about the fires & their context. If you're thinking, "this isn't making me feel better," I get it, but I believe understanding these things is part of the process of overcoming despair.https://t.co/TbmbHchZ81— Puff the Magic Hater (@MsKellyMHayes) August 23, 2019

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    chopper says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Boy wait till the Libertarians hear about this

    lol you funny.

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    chopper says:

    @Brachiator:

    i didn’t say he read it.

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    Sab says:

    @Dan B: Have you been to Highland Square lately? It’s pretty much a gay neighborhood now.

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    Captain C says:

    @patrick II: It might if they had to adopt the ideal Republican environmental platform.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @WhatsMyNym: Did he really? Oh, *my*, yes! : )

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    Ken says:

    @Yarrow:

    they’re cowards, more concerned with their careers

    Or their lives, if some of Trump’s more deranged supporters decide they’re betraying Dear Leader. Assuming Dear Leader doesn’t tweet it first.

    So, would you call that irony, or karma? I can’t decide.

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    Jay says:

    Earlier this month, the odious segregationist and planet-cooking sprawl advocate L. Brooks “What we’re going to do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and corn” Patterson did one of the most decent things he’s done in his entire 27 year tenure as Oakland County Executive: he died.

    http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblo.....ty-edition

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jay: Mickey Dolenz unavailable for comment

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    Jay says:

    @Ken:

    One of the nice things about Nazi America, is there are more splitters there than Judea, and they hate eachother almost as much.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

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    Jay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Different Monkee,…..

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Miss Bianca: btw, look at fraudulent conveyances. You can’t divest your assets when you’re about to get a judgment against you. Every state has that kind of law; don’t know the details, but it seems like a good avenue to explore for the Epstein victims.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Pink shirts on men = gay? : /

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I was being facetious, but I heard these guys talking and they were in fact gay

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    Jay says:

    All this is being organized by a Unite the Right in Charlottesville attendee and the #Florida Director of Latinos for Trump. https://t.co/QGfUvsp0kH— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) August 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Pink or coral?

    Gay or woke?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You could tell by the sound of their voices?

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    Jay says:

    This is day three of the African migrant protests in Tapachula, Chiapas, Mexico. Thousands of African refugees, including women and children, are demanding their rights to humanitarian visas to be able to legally pass through Mexico to make it to the US border to apply for asylum pic.twitter.com/TkKqh7btWW— Brooke Kipling (@brokenlacacho) August 21, 2019

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Gin & Tonic: the actual conversation

    @Jay: no, salmon is masculine

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    Brachiator says:

    @Jay:

    Monkees with smaller testicles scream louder

    Don’t know about the Monkees, but the Rolling Stones concert at the Rose Bowl is about to kick off.

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    Jay says:

    Pataxó woman: “These assholes came in and burned down [our reservation]… I want all of the media here to see this."Colonizers are burning Indigenous lands to clear the way for cattle industrialist ranchers to seize lands. The Amazon cries out through its people. https://t.co/vzoqlCWHSL— Insurgent E 🏴 (@e_insurgent) August 22, 2019

    Those Amazon fires that have hit the news, arn’t wildfires, they are land clearing operations for cattle, soybeans and mines.

    Within 5 years the cleared land will be too sterile ( nutrient poor) for soybeans or grasses.

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    Jay says:

    @Brachiator:

    I was thinking more about Deplorables than say, Freddy Mercury or Nazareth.

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    NotMax says:

    @WhatsMyNym

    Not the same day. Hickenlooper’s drop out announcement was last Friday, Inslee’s yesterday.

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    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Wouldn’t know. I wear black, white, grey, denim and Carhart, for the ease of laundry.

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    Jay says:

    As white nationalist "Straight Pride" rally draws close in #Modesto, local #LGBTQIA center targeted by neo-Nazi posters promoting Daily Stormer, less than a month after local #Sikh temple + priest were attacked by man screaming, "Go back to your country!" https://t.co/pUqeyjxeWA pic.twitter.com/fcKeoRTTaf— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) August 22, 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    btw, look at fraudulent conveyances. You can’t divest your assets when you’re about to get a judgment against you. Every state has that kind of law; don’t know the details, but it seems like a good avenue to explore for the Epstein victims.

    Ah, I figured there had to be a legal concept at play here! Thanks.

    Sooo…h’m. With regard to Epstein: He’s in jail, he’s been charged, but hasn’t gone to trial, so no judgement yet…

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    Jay says:

    "Who's the guy with the weapons here?" Looks like Andy Ngo is going to be going from speaking on Fox News to in front of a court room. New video put into evidence in Cider Riot attack show far-Right goons planning attack with Joey Gibson while Andy Ngo films entire thing. https://t.co/bSfJakKQGK— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) August 22, 2019

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio says:

    @Brachiator:
    Warren G. Harding’s. Which also included the plunder of the VA, as well as land grabs and petroscandals.

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    Jay says:

    THREAD: My latest file is a look at how a guy who worked for a blog that promoted racists became an editor at a national news outlet called The Post Millennial. Let's dive in. https://t.co/VeTWjAKEy3 #cdnpoli #elxn2019— Emma McIntosh (@EmmaMci) August 22, 2019

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    J R in WV says:

    @chris:

    B-J on Linux/Chrome takes 3 minutes to load and a comment takes 5 minutes. Hi, stackpathcdn!
    Firefox loos like a rescue page and won’t scroll. So that’s out.

    I’m running a laptop with Ubuntu 18.04.3 and Firefox 68.0.2, because I have pretty tight security, at the moment twits don’t show in the B-J front page until I open them in their own tab. Otherwise everything seems quite normal.

    I also have an Android tablet which I browse B-J with, but rarely comment because the touch-pad typewriter is such a pain to me.

    Maybe there’s something else off about your setup?

    ETA: Just reloaded B-J front page took under 10 seconds.

    For a little more detail on our setup, we have a Viasat sat link which is up on the ridge at the next door neighbor’s house, connected with a local ethernet to the wireless modeM at our house.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Jay: True. All the while, the EU goes about its business while the UK keeps bashing itself in the face.

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    Jay says:

    We know the Proud Boys hide behind free speech and patriotism in order to get a free pass for their street brawls.But never before have they publicly admitted the real goal: To waste resources in liberal cities, and get away with violence.New from me:https://t.co/zCG7vge7Qd— Andy Campbell (@AndyBCampbell) August 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Yeah, 999,999,999 words on “Britian”,

    0 words on the EU.

    Fuck Britain, they are so done.

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    Jay says:

    🚨🚨 CALL TO ACTION 🚨🚨The LGBTQ and POC community in #Modesto needs support this Saturday, A24, as the white nationalist "Straight Pride" hate rally has been sanctioned by their City Council. LGBTQ communities are already being targeted with hate. https://t.co/ARRbE3gLcO— Long Beach Antifa (@lbcafa) August 22, 2019

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    Sally says:

    @Raven: And truly epic Eurovision entries

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:
    There are billions being wasted on vets – the bullshit according to trump. Or any other republican. Every thing that the government does other than pay for trumps golf outings is waste. Parks, FEMA, infrastructure, VA, Medicare, SS, etc, that’s all money that could be given to rich assholes, like he thinks he is. The republican concept of government is Loot, Pillage, Plunder, Lie and Steal. Everything.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Elizabelle:
    Got to agree with TP here. The US military has a lot of members with extremely oversized views of them selves. The ones that can do much about it are officers. I had a ships captain once that the Pentagon wanted gone but they wouldn’t fire him, what they did and I imagine still do is give them a shitty, nothing command hoping they resign. But what the shitheads normally do is take it out on the powerless, the crew. Which is what this shithead did. I can not imagine that the other services have the same issue. Had an executive officer who would follow behind the captain and rescind the captain’s orders if he didn’t agree with the captain’s decision. Within hearing of the captain. Even the lifers were pissed. BTW the commanding officer for those officers I served under on a destroyer was the same officer who became the captain of the last ship I served on and told about above.
    There are a lot of shitty people in this world, who think that the only way to get ahead is to step on everyone who they have a chance to. No matter what, the world revolves around the stick up their ass. And yes it’s that big of stick for that big of ass.

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    patrick II says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Tom Cotton has dead eyes.

    A serious comment. I’ve never been able to see this sort of thing in faces.

    Perhaps you can think of a woman you find attractive because when you look into her eyes they are so full of life? There is an alertness, intelligence, they see you exist as a person, perhaps a joy in seeing you? It’s like that, but the opposite.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    Sen. Tom “Snake Eyes” Cottonmouth (R-Deliverance), the Arkanaconda.

    We’ll need a tumbrel with solid sides & a tight narrow-screen top so he doesn’t slither out. Start the design process now.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Chetan Murthy: I see these things to some extent but I always wonder how much of it is suggestion based on whether I like these people or not. There has been a lot of psychological research showing that perception of facial expression is highly suggestible. If I were a Republican would I be perceiving Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren as having cold, dead eyes? Especially if I mostly saw pictures cherry-picked by right-wing media? (They loved shots of Obama in which he had a haughty, glaring-down-from-above expression. Liberal publications do the same kind of thing with pictures of Republicans.)

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    chris says:

    @J R in WV: Thanks. It’s working now but I have no idea why. Yay?

    ETA: It’s directly related to stackpathcdn. If that shows up in the bottom left corner something is wrong.

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