The President Has Thoughts! They’re Not Coherent Thoughts, They’re anti-Semitic Thoughts, But They’re Thoughts

Oy vey!

I realize that when the President and his surrogates are called out to explain or respond to this, the answer will be that he’s just retweeting something complimentary that Wayne Allen Root said and/or wrote about him. And that it is part of him counter-punching and punching back at those, especially the Jewish Americans, pushing back against his statements yesterday about loyalty and disloyalty. But the level of sycophancy in Root’s comments about the President and delusion in the President’s repackaging those comments and blasting them out to the world are just astounding.

Here’s some quick background on Root, who is a conspiracist.

Also, on a semi-related matter, if you’re wondering why the President cancelled his Denmark trip, methinks this might have had something to do with it.

Open thread!

 






241 replies
  1. 1
    Zzyzx says:

    I can’t believe I’m in a mood today where I’m desperately hoping that the President is too dumb to understand basic Christian symbolism (king of the Jews, second coming) because any other interpretation is so awful.

  2. 2

    “Any man who must say ‘I am the King’ is no true king.” – Tywin Lannister

    the horrifying thing, the self-proclaimed judges of faith – the evangelicals, the greedy, the corrupt powers in high places – will cheer trump’s blasphemy on even though trump is performing every act as an honest-to-God Antichrist (a false person who claims to speak for Christianity but defiles every teaching and act Jesus ever made).

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    Basically, Root said Trump is the Second Coming, and Trump agreed with him. This is the classic pop understanding of a person who has lost it.

    A thread to consider:

    And a little grim humor

  4. 4
    SFAW says:

    @Zzyzx:

    because any other interpretation is so awful.

    Oh, calm down. I have complete and utter faith that, if Trump declared himself to be Jesus returned, Mitch McConnell would talk to Speaker Pelosi about her pushing impeachment through the House ASAP, and the Senate would immediately vote to convict.

  5. 5
    Mai naem mobile says:

    They were playing the 2016 debate clips yesterday. Compare Donny from the 2016 clips to clips from now and he is not looking healthy. Not healthy at all. I also think hes sun downing on top of the narcissistic disorder or whatever it is. There is a guy on twitter whose theory is that Paul Ryan is moving to DC to get involved in pushing for the 25th amendment and then getting Nikki Haley as Veep or POTUS.

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    SFAW says:

    @PaulWartenberg:

    even though trump is performing every act as an honest-to-God Antichrist (a false person who claims to speak for Christianity but defiles every teaching and act Jesus ever made).

    Unpossible! The RWMFs told us that Obama was/is the Anti-Christ.

    By the way, what does “projection” mean, in psychological parlance? Asking for a country friend

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    waspuppet says:

    Trump doesn’t think far enough ahead to care about Obama’s trip. He doesn’t even know what Obama is doing. He just knows that the entire country would spend the entire time openly laughing in his face.

    Denmark, I mean.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mai naem mobile: Paul Ryan is moving to DC because he can make more money there than in Janesville, WI. Simple.

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    SFAW says:

    @Mai naem mobile:

    There is a guy on twitter whose theory is that Paul Ryan is moving to DC to get involved in pushing for the 25th amendment and then getting Nikki Haley as Veep or POTUS.

    I believe it, because Ryan has always acted boldly. Well, at least when it comes to trying to kill poor people, but this would be almost the same, right?.

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    Spanky says:

    Sources close to Ivanka and Jared say they are uncomfortable with the characterization of Donald Trump as God and that they worked hard behind the scenes to stop the creation of a giant golden calf in his image

    “But failed. The new Golden Calf Memorial will replace the deteriorating Jefferson Memorial just as soon as those pesky cherry trees are torn out.”

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I saw that earlier and I thought Trump was talking about Netanyahu. That was bad enough, but this is terrifying.

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    Jeffro says:

    Whomever’s in charge of bunker provisions at the WH, please be sure to leave a round in the chamber and picture-book instructions on how he can do the right thing here. We are now at “beyond ridiculous” and unfortunately this is the leader* of the free world we’re talking about.

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    SFAW says:

    Where’s Peter O’Toole when we need him? I mean, if we’re going to talk about persons who think they’re Jesus and all, why not go for the real thing?

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    MattF says:

    It’s clear that Trump views religion as an efficient way of picking pockets. And it has to be admitted that the behavior of the religious individuals he meets won’t contradict that view.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: (golden) Veal, anyone?

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    Zzyzx says:

    I guess it’s good to know that there never has been any historical issues with people asking why Jews aren’t able to recognize the messiah.

    Seriously, quoting a Jews for Jesus asshat using Rapturist logic to demand loyalty from Jews? How does he expect that to play out?

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    Kay says:

    I knew it was Obama because I know Obama is popular in Denmark. You really can’t go wrong betting on “stupid, small and petty” with Team Trump. Guess and then go a couple of notches lower towards “petty”. We’re governed by people who treat the country like 7th graders treat school cafeteria seating.

    They like Obama! That’s not fair! Hoo boy, the nasty tweets are gonna fly over this latest preteen drama.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @PaulWartenberg: @Cheryl Rofer: Well, to be Scrupulously Fair to Donald Trump, the Antichrist, classically, *does* actually believe he is the Second Coming. Too bad that according to the classical model, it’s actually the Devil deluding him into that belief and fueling his “miracles”.

    Speaking of which, when do we get to the “miracles” part, anyway? What do we get for “miracles”? Trying to buy Greenland? Our marvelous economy? Making all the brown people disappear?

    Ugh, I have to stop this, I am bumming myself out.

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    patrick II says:

    From before he was president the fact that he cannot speak on any subject without large numbers of Republicans following him around explaining to us what he really meant regardless of what he said. I don’t think Obama or Clinton had to have scads of people following them around saying no! no! this is what he really meant!

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    @SFAW:

    I saw that movie. he ends up believing he’s Jack the Ripper. apt comparison either way.

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    LuciaMia says:

    Yikes. In that photo of Obama,is that his SS detail behind him? Now they look scary!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’ve repeatedly said that in any other modern state and society, anyone running for elected office, under consideration for appointed office, or serving in any senior public or private capacity who regularly claimed they were actually in ongoing conversations with the Deity, such as the Vice President and the Secretary of State, would be placed on an evaluatory hold. Only in the US are clear indicators of potential serious mental health issues considered to be positive indicators of fitness for high public office or private positions of responsibility.

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    @Miss Bianca:

    the “miracles” are all self-serving ones. Like Simon Magus leaping off buildings to prove he can fly, trump believes all the honors and accolades – his obsession with Awards – he’s applying to himself makes him powerful.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @patrick II: No, we had scads of Republicans/pundits following them around trying to “explain” what Obama and Clinton Really Meant.

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    jc says:

    God, Trump is so useless and deluded, it’s just depressing. And the people who vote for him are pathetic. The more I read about him and them, the more I lose all faith in humanity and just want to go live in the remote mountains with a dog.

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    Greg says:

    Has anyone noted that Jews are still waiting for the First Coming of the Messiah? That they don’t recognize that Jesus was/is the Messiah? Seems like a basic point that someone close to him that claims to be Jewish might be able to help him with.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @MattF: Check out Rodney Howard Brown and his ‘laughing ministry’ that he started in 89. (I remember date because some Pentecostals/charismatics claimed this ministry was the cause of the fall of the Berlin Wall!! –put up Aug 13, 1961)

    I was at one of his services (required attendence). Really creepy. He’d walk back and forth sort of threatening different parts of the congregation, then would thrust out his arms and call down ‘the spirit’ and some would fall down laughing uncontrollably.

    If you’ve ever been in a Pentacostal service, you soon learn that the leaders and wannabe be leaders will ALWAYS be immediately ‘slain in the spirit’ to prove how close they are to god,

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    humboldtblue says:

    It just keeps getting worse.

    Thank goodness there is beer.

    And really good Mendo cannabis.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Greg: What, you don’t think he’s going to listen to *Jewish people* about what Jews believe, do you? Who would enlighten him, anyway? Jared? Stephen Miller?

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    dmsilev says:

    On the plus side of the ledger, whoever replaces Trump as President is going to receive the Not-Donald-Trump Nobel Peace Prize pretty much right out of the gate, and ex-President Trump’s Twitter meltdown will be the hugest and bigliest one ever.

  32. 32
    Kay says:

    Steven Dennis
    @StevenTDennis
    ·5h
    Susan Collins is touring Maine, touting her independence and raising money as she gears up for what would be an epic reelection fight with control of the Senate potentially at stake —>

    Why does she want the job? She sucks at representing the interests of her constituents many of whom are poor and old and rely on government programs (not that there’s anything wrong with that). She claims to be disappointed once a month with Republicans but she has yet to come thru with anything approaching her own health care plan, or anything else of import. What exactly is her purpose other than performing the same bullshit show over and over again with media. She’s a worse version of Murkowski. That slot is already filled by a more authentic person.

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    Scott says:

    One only has to spend some time in the Facebook comments of Trump supporters to see the incredible blasphemy they exhibit in their praise of Trump. They do believe he was anointed by God and has a special place in God’s world. Utterly revolting and creepy. What is truly scary is that it seems as though Trump could start believing it also.

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    zzyzx says:

    @Greg: Yes. We have all noticed.

    The person he is quoting did that intentionally as he is a evangelical Christian who calls himself a Jew, so he’s all about trying to pretend that Judaism is really just an obscure branch of Christianity, not our own religion.

    We all know what “King of Israel” and “Second coming” mean.

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    Olivia says:

    So did trump concoct the “I want to buy Greenland” crap because he knew Denmark would turn him down? Then he could cancel the trip in a huff so he didn’t have to show up and be compared to Obama.
    That shows a level of thinking and scheming that I didn’t think he was capable of, except for the part where he ends up looking like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum again.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @dmsilev: Do they allow federal prisoners to Tweet? Since we’re fantasizing about a post-Trump era, and all.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Gornisht helfn.

  38. 38
    Timurid says:

    We’re watching the President of the United States have a psychotic break in real time, but This Is Fine.

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    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve made the point a few times on Twitter that people who believe in the Rapture should not be in places where they influence decisions on nuclear weapon use. Or, I might add, wars in the Middle East. Every time I’ve been slapped down by a national security type on the basis that religion doesn’t play a part in decisions on who should be in office.

    So let’s separate it from religion: If someone believes that a world-destroying war in the Middle East is a good idea, they shouldn’t be in office.

    There’s a lot more to say on this – the religion issue is real, but we have religions in this country that are, as you say, signs of problematic mental health. We need to think more about what is actually protected by the First Amendment. Separating actions from beliefs is part of it.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @jc:

    Co-sign.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: He already has a gold shitter in his image.

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    Kay says:

    @Scott:

    I listen to local fundie radio and they do backflips to support him. It’s painful to listen to. His personal lack of character and horrible behavior are not only not disqualifying, but specifically God’s plan.

    You watch. They’ll come up with a reason to hate Denmark. Denmark is now The Enemy. He issued the edict.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @SFAW: Mid-day, mid-week sarcasm is the best sarcasm. :)

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    Scott says:

    @Adam L Silverman: No one wants to talk about it because it would totally politically incorrect but the dangerous influence of the Christian End Times death cult on our foreign policy is pretty deep. Externally there is Hagee and Jeffrees but right at the top is Pompeo and Pence.

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    gene108 says:

    Am I reading Trump’s tweets wrong, or is he declaring himself the Messiah, by saying he’s the King of Israel? And Jesus-like, as he is the Second Coming?

    And religious conservatives seem just fine and not bothered.

  46. 46
    Timurid says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    What scares me isn’t Trump trying to replay the book of Revelation.
    What scares me is Trump feeling really sick one day, going to the doctor and getting a ‘rocks fall, everybody dies’ diagnosis like pancreatic cancer or Lewy Body dementia. What exactly is a next level narcissist going to do when he realizes that 7 billion other people get to live and he doesn’t… and that he has the means to do something about that injustice.

  47. 47
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Olivia: The attempt to get it, to increase claims in the arctic and to be able to strip mine it for rare earth elements, especially as the glacier’s recede, has long been a fever dream of the hard right nat-sec crowd.

  48. 48
    M31 says:

    even though the Golden Calf was carved from rancid Velveeta, the trumpists bowed down before it, saying “YOU ARE OUR CHOSEN ONE, GOLDEN AND GLISTENING”

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    MattF says:

    @Kay: Obviously, God’s plan involves a -really- tremendous real estate deal. Only Satan would oppose it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yep. I try not to begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, no matter how much I think they are really a justification for bigotry and actions that are contrary to the public good and general welfare. But we’ve reached a weird and dangerous place on this stuff. And I honestly don’t know how we navigate it.

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    dmsilev says:

    Speaking of incoherent thoughts, Washington Post banner right now:

    Trump attacks Danish prime minister over ‘nasty’ comment about Greenland purchase: ‘Don’t say what an absurd idea that is’

    Coming soon: “We’re going to buy Greenland and (rolls dice) Argentina is going to pay for it!”. Also, I’d pay good money for some reporter to ask him about the US policy re: the ongoing crisis in Freedonia.

  52. 52
    Miss Bianca says:

    @Timurid: We can but pray for a massive heart attack. Or better yet – a stroke that paralyzes him completely and renders him speechless. Altho’ I suppose one of the blood-gargling sociopaths he surrounds himself with might interpret his twitchy eyeblinks as a prompt to drop the bomb.

    So, yeah, rooting for massive heart infarction that takes him out of our misery completely.

  53. 53
    zzyzx says:

    @gene108: The only defense I have is that he actually is quoting someone else. It’s quite likely Trump just saw, “Wow, someone said something really nice about me,” and ran with it without understanding the implications of what the claims were. Like I said, I’m praying that Trump is too dumb to understand basic theological facts…

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    humboldtblue says:

    @Timurid:

    I have some really good Mendo cannabis if you need some.

    And some beer.

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    Kay says:

    @MattF:

    He better watch it. This is unmoored from everything. If they made him Christ they can also make him the anti-Christ. The flip side of fawning, blind adoration isn’t ambivalence, it’s hate.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Timurid: You know how they buried the pharoahs with their wives, concubines, servants, pets, food, wine, gold, jewels, objets de art?

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    chris says:

    @SFAW: When I pray, I’m just talking to myself.

    Or something like that. One of my favourite movies back when.

  58. 58
    humboldtblue says:

    As if this apocalyptic talk of the end of the world isn’t bad enough, the Amazon is burning.

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    patrick II says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Good point.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Brown was the man whose back we saw in the pic of Evangelical pastors ‘laying hands on’ Trump.

    Also, IIRC Brown is from So Africa.

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    gene108 says:

    @Kay:

    The Senate’s helluva drug. People are either voted out or die in office.

    Few want to retire.

  62. 62

    Here’s some good news –

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    Elizabelle says:

    @dmsilev: Trump won’t have twitter in federal prison. Or a prison in New York.

    Post “presidency”, Trump belongs in a coffin or incarcerated. Period.

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    MattF says:

    @Kay: I think Trump has always been unmoored, and I doubt that he really grasps the level of craziness among the evangelicals. The only thing he’s certain about is his own genius.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Kay:

    Why does she want the job? She sucks at representing the interests of her constituents

    If only all Republicans would take the truth of this and act on it.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Miss Bianca: Easy! JUDGES! US embassy moved to Jerusalem.

    Pardon me while I check back with Jim Bakker and gusests for updates!

  67. 67
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Now lets see if the GOP dominated NC legislature is able to override his veto. Because you know they’re going to try.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SFAW:

    I have complete and utter faith that, if Trump declared himself to be Jesus returned, Mitch McConnell would talk to Speaker Pelosi about her pushing impeachment through the House ASAP, and the Senate would immediately vote to convict.

    I too would like a unicorn that poops ice cream and sprinkles.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump belongs in a coffin or incarcerated.

    Why is this an either/or scenario?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    Why does she want the job?

    She’s too old to walk the streets. //

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    David Rothkopf

    @djrothkopf
    Sources close to Ivanka and Jared say they are uncomfortable with the characterization of Donald Trump as God and that they worked hard behind the scenes to stop the creation of a giant golden calf in his image.

    2,757
    2:39 AM – Aug 21, 2019

    I’m pretty sure this is satire. At least I sure hope so.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @TenguPhule: Do they still bury prisoners in the prison yard?

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    patrick II says:

    I think part of what we are seeing with Trump is mental deterioration from even a few years ago. But I also think it is the result of the previous positions he has taken leaving him fewer and more desperate moves as the game presidency continues. I am reminded of a chess game I played with a friend who happened to be a chess master. The bad positions I took early on restricted my movements as the game moved on, until I was left with just a few really desperate things I could do towards the end. Trump has boxed himself in, can’t give up, and is desperate to finish the game without going to jail, so he’s just hiding the king behind the few pieces he has left.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jeffro:

    We are now at “beyond ridiculous”

    “We’ve gone to Plaid!”

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    Cmorenc says:

    @zhena gogolia: things relating to trump only come in different degrees of terrible, and there is no bottom except he would’t really shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue, though he will happily incite racist wingnuts to shoot brown people in broad daylight on other streets across americs

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    rikyrah says:

    I’ve been mulling about these words ever since I read them on Twitter this morning.
    They were phucking insane then.
    They are phucking insane now.

    Insane is the word that just keeps coming back to me while reading it.

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    @SFAW:

    The RWMFs told us that Obama was/is the Anti-Christ.

    What we feel when we look at Trump, racists (all Republicans) feel when they look at Obama.

    @Timurid:

    What exactly is a next level narcissist going to do when he realizes that 7 billion other people get to live and he doesn’t

    I don’t think this is going to be a problem. Those 7 billion other people don’t really exist, to Trump. There would be no point to punishing them, because they don’t get to live. They’re not alive now, and there is no universe without Trump. At best, Trump inhabits the world with 7 billion cockroaches, and who cares about taking cockroaches with you?

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    Mike in DC says:

    Conservatives: Claims that Jews have dual loyalty are anti-Semitic
    Also Conservatives: Jews who vote for Democrats are disloyal to Israel

    Ilhan Omar: :facepalm: :eyeroll:

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    rikyrah says:

    .@maggieNYT very shrewd. This isn’t about Greenland. Obama scheduled to visit Denmark 9/28. Trump was scared of the likely contrast to his state visit on 9/2-3. https://t.co/BsRvpMQ8Xj

    — David Frum (@davidfrum) August 21, 2019

    Now, THIS actually makes Dolt45 sense

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Scott: Remember Hagee was McCain’s r ere Religious advisor in 08 until national media started to listen AND PAY ATTN to people who knew who Hagee is and what he believes about the role Jews’ destruction plays in the End Times!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Speaking of which, when do we get to the “miracles” part, anyway? What do we get for “miracles”?

    Wining the Republican Primary.

    Stealing the Oval Office.

    Not being immediately impeached.

    Convinced 45% of America that Nazis are back in style.

    Managing a soft coup of the US Federal Government and all its armed forces despite being the most incompetent man on the face of the Earth.

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    @TenguPhule: David Rothkopf is being sarcastic.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Miss Bianca: For him I’m sure we can make an exception. Even Federal Prisoners should have someone they can look down on.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @rikyrah: I don’t buy it. I mean, I get that his Obama hate/envy thing drives a lot of his insanity, but I just don’t buy that he’d *believe* his reception in Denmark would be substantially smaller and less cordial than Obama’s.

    Maybe I’m not giving Trump enough credit for self-awareness?//

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    Brachiator says:

    Holy shit. Trump calls Danish prime minister “nasty.” Also, he once again conflates himself with the country.

    President Trump on Wednesday defended his decision to postpone a state visit to Denmark, accusing the country’s prime minister of making a “nasty and inappropriate statement” in rejecting his desire to discuss possibly purchasing Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory….

    “All they had to say was we’d rather not do that,” he added. “Don’t say, what an absurd idea that is.”

    “She’s not talking to me, she’s talking to the United States of America. You don’t talk to the United States that way.”

    Previously, Trump’s most churlish, sullenly resentful remarks were targeted at domestic foes. But he is fully unrestrained here, and determined to make an enemy out of an ally.

    The UK Daily Mail reported on this, and their reader comments, which usually are full of people supporting Trump, this time more often reflect mockery and disgust. But there are a few diehards who still defend Trump and actually bash the Danish prime minister.

    Trump’s remarks on the respect that he is due is fully in keeping with his vile remarks about what Jewish people supposedly owe him.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @TenguPhule: Everyone knows unicorns fart rainbows, you silly person.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @TenguPhule: Well, when you put it *that* way…ouch. You do have a point.

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    catclub says:

    @PaulWartenberg:

    though trump is performing every act as an honest-to-God Antichrist

    I pointed out years ago, that after many rwnj’s called Obama the antiChrist, it would be amusing/ironic/horrifying
    if Trump ends up BEING it.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    . There would be no point to punishing them

    Punishing them is the point. Trump loves being cruel.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    He has spent his entire Presidency trying to undo everything 44 did.

    If it weren’t the same month, I’d buy it. but,within a couple of weeks of one another? I buy it.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: These days its hard to tell it apart from reality. I’m pretty sure Greenland was the final straw.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    How cool is it that the one place I’ve been to in Denmark is this little university town called Aalborg up in the north, and that’s where Obama is going?

    I even have a little piece of Aalborg in me, a dental filling I had to have replaced while I was there. I learned that apparently the descendants of Vikings are too tough and stoic to require novocaine for something as simple as drilling out a tooth for a new filling, but they indulged me, with something that knocked out the feeling in half my face for about 8 hours.

    And sorry, Trumpers. The contrast to Obama is drawn every time we even see a still photo of Obama, let alone hear him speak. It can not be avoided.

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    Eric S. says:

    @Gravenstone: Well done. With a bottle of ketchup.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Zzyzx:
    The same way he expects everything else to pay out. Just remember, whatever a totally delusional, narcissistic individual says, is 100% right. To them.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Cmorenc:

    except he would’t really shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue

    I keep telling people not to challenge this timeline that way.

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I too would like a unicorn that poops ice cream and sprinkles.

    They’re on back-order, but I’ll add you to the Waitlist.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Are you suggesting Trump’s library motif as a pharaoh’s tomb? Where his family and staff are kept away from us?

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    Well, Trump certainly can’t go now that he insulted them for no reason other than to cover his giant behind because his dumb-ass Greenland Plan leaked. He doesn’t have any money to buy anything anyway and he can’t get shit thru Congress. Was he going to put a mortgage on the White House?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That’s right. Ivanka and Jared actually *aren’t* uncomfortable with the notion of Donald Trump being called God. That’s how I knew it was sarcasm.

  100. 100
    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I keep telling people not to challenge this timeline that way.

    Coming up in our next episode: “There’s no way it can get any worse!”

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    MattF says:

    @catclub: I thought the Anti-Christ had to be a homosexual Jew.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    The contrast to Obama is drawn every time we even see a still photo of Obama, let alone hear him speak.

    I draw the contrast even thinking about Obama.

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    catclub says:

    @patrick II:

    I don’t think Obama or Clinton had to have scads of people following them around saying no! no! this is what he really meant!

    But Obama did have many rwnj’s following him around saying ‘see, that was an apology tour,’
    he just never actually apologized

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Brachiator:

    TRUMP: “She’s not talking to me, she’s talking to the United States of America. You don’t talk to the United States that way.”

    OTTER: “I put it to you, Greg – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!”

  105. 105
    Yutsano says:

    @PaulWartenberg: “You just sent the most powerful man in Westeros to bed without his supper…”

    Charles Dance. Peter Dinklage. So many good actors.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @zzyzx:

    so he’s all about trying to pretend that Judaism is really just an obscure branch of Christianity, not our own religion.

    When in fact Christianity was originally developed as a way to convert Gentiles to a softer and lighter form of Judaism.

  107. 107
    Miss Bianca says:

    @JaySinWA: “Well, the Pharaoh is dead, so let’s embalm his entire family, his servants, and concubines” works for me. Well, maybe not the concubine part. Stormy Daniels et al. have done nothing to deserve *that* fate.

  108. 108
    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You know how they buried the pharoahs with their wives, concubines, servants, pets, food, wine, gold, jewels, objets de art?

    Stormy Daniels doesn’t deserve that kind of punishment.

  109. 109
    SFAW says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Next up: the Dumbfuck-in-Chief launches an attack on Germany for their bombing of Pearl Harbor.

    ETA: Fortunately, your ex-post-posto edit doesn’t mess mine up too much.

  110. 110
    Ruckus says:

    @Kay:
    I don’t think she has any thoughts, ideas or ideals of her own.
    Maybe she’s a replicant.
    She certainly doesn’t act human.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @TenguPhule: Jinx!

    ETA: The objets d’art on the other hand…I could totally get behind burying all the works of that knob-slobbering idiot – McNaughton? – along with the object of his veneration.

  112. 112
    Kay says:

    @Brachiator:

    Brian Beutler
    @brianbeutler
    ·15h
    Someone leaked his worm-brained idea, everyone laughed at him, and rather than take the L he created another international incident so he’d feel better.

  113. 113
    TenguPhule says:

    @SFAW:

    Coming up in our next episode: “There’s no way it can get any worse!”

    Season Finale: “He couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to do this!”

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    Chyron HR says:

    It would almost be worth nominating Bernie just so we can have a presidential debate that consists entirely of two inveterate atheists each insisting that HE is the true messiah.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Miss Bianca: :P

    Great minds think alike and apparently so do ours.

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    SFAW says:

    @Kay:

    Susan Collins is touring Maine, touting her independence

    Huh. I didn’t realize that one of the definitions of “independence” was “giving a big ‘FUCK YOU’ to one’s constituents. Multiple times.” The things I learn here.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Chyron HR:

    It would almost be worth nominating Bernie just so we can have a presidential debate that consists entirely of two inveterate atheists each insisting that HE is the true messiah.

    Pretty sure it would be a violation of the Geneva Conventions and at least one Constitutional Amendment.

  118. 118
    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Chyron HR: LMAO!

    Dump: I’m luxurious and tremendous and everyone loves me!

    Wilmer: No, I’m luxurious and tremendous and everyone loves me!

  119. 119
    AThornton says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I believe you are thinking of the Sumerians.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Brachiator:

    Holy shit. Trump calls Danish prime minister “nasty.”

    Let me guess. The Danish prime minister is a woman…and…yup.

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Season Finale: “He couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to do this!”

    Series/World Finale: “Donnie would NEVER launch all the missiles, just because someone wouldn’t give him a new toy.”

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    @maggieNYT very shrewd. This isn’t about Greenland. Obama scheduled to visit Denmark 9/28. Trump was scared of the likely contrast to his state visit on 9/2-3

    That Trump has escalated this little episode into an insult to Denmark complicates the theory that this is about Obama. Doesn’t contradict it, but certainly complicates it.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Ruckus: And here I thought she was a “thoughts and prayers” kind of severely disappointed gal.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Greg: To the best of my knowledge the idea that a messiah would be God is not a Jewish belief. Or the idea that God has gone anywhere to come back from a second time. At least, that was my impression.

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    @Kraux Pas:

    The Danish prime minister is a woman

    That was my first thought when I heard he used that term.

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    @Adam L Silverman: they don’t have the votes to override

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Kraux Pas: Yeah, almost goes without saying, doesn’t it? : (

    @Brachiator: I’m of your thinking about this. Mark you, I fully believe he will *make* this all about Obama after he sees images of Danes pouring into the streets to welcome PBHO.

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    PPCLI says:

    @Brachiator: It had to be a Dane to say it. “Kejserens nye klæder” is, after all, a Danish story.

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    Now lets see if the GOP dominated NC legislature is able to override his veto.

    Not if the Democrats hold to their previous votes. The GOP no longer has a veto-proof majority.

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    SFAW says:

    @catclub:

    it would be amusing/ironic/horrifying if a certainty that Trump ends up BEING it.

    Because every accusation is a confession with him and the RWMFs

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    JPL says:

    This morning I learned that trump canceled his trip to Denmark and then I left for the morning. Upon my return I discover that the deficit is exploding, migrant children can be held indefinitely, if you’re Jewish you owe your loyalty to Israel, trump is god or something and he called the Prime Minister of Denmark nasty.
    Is that it or did I miss something else.

  132. 132
    Betty Cracker says:

    Full narcissistic injury meltdown alert!

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    TenguPhule says:

    U.S. deficit to expand by about $800 billion more than previously expected over 10 years, CBO says

    A two-year budget deal struck between lawmakers and the White House will help push the nation into levels of debt unseen since the end of World War II, the Congressional Budget Office said.

    We are so fucked.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The administration plans to eliminate a 20-day cap for holding migrant children and create a licensing regime that would make it easier for federal officials to expand family detention nationwide.

    They’re going to expand the fucking camps.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Brachiator: I’m pretty sure Trump wasn’t looking ahead to Obama, but perhaps his staff and family were. They could easily influence his thinking to make him cancel the Danish trip, and from there doubling down on Denmark hate was just Trump being Trump.

  136. 136
    Brachiator says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Holy shit. Trump calls Danish prime minister “nasty.”

    Let me guess. The Danish prime minister is a woman…and…yup.

    It’s kinda hard to see how Trump will ever be able to go to Denmark after this idiotic outburst.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @JPL:

    Is that it or did I miss something else.

    ISIS is coming back into strength.

  139. 139
    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: No. I won’t listen to Trump.

    Someone has to write up a summary.

  140. 140
    Brachiator says:

    @JPL:

    Is that it or did I miss something else.

    It’s still early. Just wait.

  141. 141
    Elizabelle says:

    WaPost: breaking: just like that:

    Trump, in reversal, says he is no longer looking at a payroll tax cut

    Good. Cuz it was a bad idea. It truly is just whatever comes out of his mouth. At the time.

  142. 142
    TenguPhule says:

    Holy Fucking Shit.

    Trump has now finished his long chat with reporters outside the White House. Several things stood out – including Trump’s claim that the current birthright citizenship law was “frankly ridiculous” and that he wanted to abolish it.

    “We’re looking at that very seriously, birthright citizenship, where you have a baby on our land, you walk over the border, have a baby – congratulations, the baby is now a US citizen,” Trump said – mischaracterizing how most such citizenships are granted.

    “It’s frankly ridiculous.”

    Trump had told Axios in October 2018 that he would end “birthright citizenship” through an executive order. But experts have said such a move would not be legal under the US constitution.

    “Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president’s power to change birthright citizenship,” Axios reported at the time.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Listen to this short clip of Trump…

    No. Not in a thousand years.

    I guess I’m missing the evidence of the accelerating slide into dementia that I read about here and there, but it’s still not enough to change my policy of never letting his voice reach my ears.

    I’m grateful for those brave souls who listen and report back to the rest of us. May you not be dragged into the pits of madness.Y’ai ‘ng’ngah, Yog-Sothoth h’e-l’geb f’ai throdog uaaah!

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Miss Bianca: As tempting as it would be to bury all that crap, I think we need to have our own version of a never again memorial after we get through this.

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    JustRuss says:

    Obama should do the world a favor and start scheduling visits to every country Trump is visiting, preferably right before the Orange One’s visit. If he can get Trump to stay home for the duration of his term he might pick up a second Nobel. Of course, the downside is that gives him more time in Washington….although keeping his handlers busy might be for the best.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @JPL: You missed Dump’s feefees being hurt because Denmark’s response to selling Greenland wasn’t a simple “No.” but a “No. And you’re a fat, orange idiot.”

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    JPL says:

    @Betty Cracker: I made twenty seconds.

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    LuciaMia says:

    apparently the descendants of Vikings are too tough and stoic to require novocaine

    I hear they also get colonoscopies without any anesthesia.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @JaySinWA:

    I think we need to have our own version of a never again memorial after we get through this.

    A collection of bronze guillotines with statutes of Trump, his family and McConnell all strapped in?

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    TenguPhule says:

    In depressing news: Idaho has been forced to change signage on children’s buses after angry drivers began following vehicles full of migrant children.

    According to the Idaho Statesman: “The Community Council of Idaho plans to remove and conceal signage on buses they use to transport local children of farmworkers and Head Start participants, after repeated experiences of harassment from motorists across the state, including the Treasure Valley.”

    The buses are used to transport children to the Community Council, where they can take part in non-profit programs. The vehicles are labelled “Migrant and Seasonal Head Start”, and staff say drivers are harassing the buses because they “assume that migrant means undocumented”.

    This is what they have wrought.

  151. 151
    Stan says:

    “They love him like he is the second coming”

    I’d just like to pause for a moment and marvel at the idea that jews(!) would be awaiting a second coming. Wow.

  152. 152
    dmsilev says:

    Kevin Drum just now:

    Over the last 24 hours Donald Trump has:

    Accused Jews who support Democrats of being disloyal.
    Explained that Kashmir is a difficult problem because “You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn’t say they get along so great.”
    Canceled a planned visit to Denmark because they declined to discuss the sale of Greenland.
    Thanked a nutcase conspiracy theorist who said that Israeli Jews “love him like he is the second coming of God.”
    Told reporters “I am the chosen one” to take on China.
    Said the prime minister of Denmark was “nasty” about his proposal to buy Greenland and he’s not going to let her talk to him that way.
    Confirmed his disloyalty remark: “If you vote for a Democrat, you’re being disloyal to the Jewish people and you’re being very disloyal to Israel.”

    The last 24 hours have been quite a year, haven’t they?

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    TenguPhule says:

    Currently the government may not detain children for more than 20 days unless they are detained in a state facility. The Wall Street Journal reported that the two largest facilities designed to house families, both in Texas, aren’t licensed to house children beyond 20 days.

    “To circumvent that requirement,” the Journal wrote: “The new set of rules would enable the Department of Homeland Security to create its own licensing system, effectively allowing the government to house families in any of its detention facilities through their court proceedings, until they are either granted asylum, paroled into the US or deported.”

    Its obscene.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Brachiator: She’ll come crawling back to him. They always submit to his dominance. At least in his imagination. Unfortunately it is reality for Republicans. I expect the Danes are made of stronger stuff.
    OTOH this is just stupid words, and while diplomacy is often a mere tissue of words, I doubt Danes will act against their interests, in spite of the words.

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    TenguPhule says:

    So what do people in Denmark think about Trump’s decision to call off his trip to the country?

    Not much, it seems – with one former Danish foreign minister comparing Trump to “a clown in a circus”.

    “There are already many good reasons to think that the man is a fool, and now he has given another good reason,” Eva Flyvholm, the foreign policy chair for Denmark’s Red-Green Alliance, told Danish media.

    The Guardian’s Sean Walker reported that former Denmark foreign minister Villy Søvndal said the decision “confirms that Donald Trump is a narcissistic fool”.

    “If he had been a clown in a circus, you could probably say that there is considerable entertainment value. The problem is that he is the president of the most powerful nation in the world,” Søvndal said.

    Trump’s cancellation came, of course, after Denmark refused to sell Greenland to the US.

    I foresee a return of “I’m Canadian” stickers for foreign travel.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle & @Ceci n est pas mon nym: He claims he was mobbed by adoring injured people and families, and doctors came “pouring out of operating rooms” when he visited the hospitals after the massacres because everyone loves him so much, but the unfair news media won’t report that.

    ETA: Now Trump is tweet-screaming about Denmark’s contributions to NATO and how NATO is so unfair. He’s supposedly on his way to address the AMVETS convention in KY. Maybe he’ll get the ass-kissing he needs from them.

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    MattF says:

    @Elizabelle: It would be an implicit admission that there’s a problem. And that cannot happen. Never.

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    Emerald says:

    @Betty Cracker:I’m starting to worry that he won’t make it to the 2020 election. I want to beat his demented ass into the ground. I want him to lose Texas. (Failing that, I want Pence to lose Texas. And Indiana.)

    And then I want President Harris’ Justice Dept to prosecute his ass into a federal prison. And New York to do the same. The prison systems can fight over him.

    Although I imagine he’ll be in a secure medical facility before that. Sadly, he’ll be unable to comprehend what’s finally happening to him.

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    JPL says:

    Someone is piecing together all the times that trump has called a female nasty. I expect to see it aired at the Convention next July.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I foresee a return of “I’m Canadian” stickers for foreign travel.

    Pro-tip: If you make any kind of attempt at all to speak not-English, they will already assume you are from any English-speaking country that is not the US.

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    TenguPhule says:

    When it rains, it pours. Spiderman is once again out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because Fuck Disney!

    Sony Pictures, the studio that owns the film rights to comic book character Spider-Man, has spoken out about the split with Disney that will see the webslinger booted out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    A statement released by Sony on Tuesday night said the company was “disappointed” by Disney’s demand for a greater stake in the Spider-Man films and by its proposal to scale down the involvement of Marvel president Kevin Feige in the movies.

    “Much of today’s news about Spider-Man has mischaracterised recent discussions about Kevin Feige’s involvement in the franchise,” said the statement. “We are disappointed, but respect Disney’s decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live action Spider-Man film.

    “We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him – including all their newly added Marvel properties – do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Shit, I’d rather take my chances on retaining my sanity summoning Yog-sathoth than try to listen to Trump. I have somehow managed to elude the prospect amazingly well so far.

  163. 163
    JPL says:

    @Emerald: What about his children, although I would spare Barron?

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Zzyzx:

    I have told fundamentalist Xtians of my acquaintance for years that if the Antichrist ever came to power, he would be a Republican President, he would claim to be a Christian, he would insist that it was his faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ that led him to hate poor people and want to start wars, and that fundamentalist Xtians would vote for him overwhelmingly.

    But I must admit that even I was shocked to realize that the Antichrist wouldn’t even need to try to pass as a Xtian. That it would be possible to win the loyalty of evangelicals despite a complete and utter ignorance of the Bible.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @catclub: The first words out of the new President’s mouth following their inauguration had best be, ” We are so, so terribly sorry. And we promise to never let Republicans take control again.” That ought to fill at least half the DC Mall with the finely pulped mist of exploding heads.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Dump: I’m luxurious and tremendous and everyone loves me!

    Wilmer: No, I’m luxurious and tremendous and everyone loves me!

    Nah, I think it would go down like more this:

    Wilmer: “No, YOU’RE luxurious but I’M tremendous!” Otherwise, carry on as written.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Miss Bianca: Not going full Cthulhu?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Where are the Conservatives who claimed that President Obama was a narcissist because he used the words “I” and “me”? They say nothing about Trump calling himself the King of Israel and the Second Coming. You’d think they’d call that blasphemy.
    https://twitter.com/RnC_for_pres/status/1164227726154190848
    Pathetic hypocrites.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    · 28m
    For the record, Denmark is only at 1.35% of GDP for NATO spending. They are a wealthy country and should be at 2%. We protect Europe and yet, only 8 of the 28 NATO countries are at the 2% mark. The United States is at a much, much higher level than that….

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    ….Because of me, these countries have agreed to pay ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS more – but still way short of what they should pay for the incredible military protection provided. Sorry!

    13.6K
    7:32 AM – Aug 21, 2019

    And once again, Trump has to go and make it worse.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Miss Bianca: I’m not sure a “debate” between Dump and Wilmer would be that civil.

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    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule:

    ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS 

    Flashback to the Austin Power movie.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @mrmoshpotato: No, at that point I would probably brave listening to Trump first.

    I’m just guessing here, because my knowledge of All Things Lovecraftian is limited to loving his namesake band.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Betty Cracker: One more mirror universe part of this is probably that he & his enablers kept the press pool away & put out a campaign style video from the stop in Ohio. So, the press couldn’t even have helped him with their coverage bc they didn’t have the visuals, because they knew he’d do something awful & self-aggrandizing…& of course he did.

    ETA oops El Paso https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-seen-in-video-touting-rally-crowd-size-during-el-paso-hospital-visit/ar-AAFx5zj

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    Gravenstone says:

    @TenguPhule: Which of his sycophants in attendance has the responsibility for “the Numbers”? Because you know damn well he has no idea bout any single country’s contribution to NATO, or whether they are even signatories to the agreement.

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    @Brachiator: The Danish PM is another “nasty” woman.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Gravenstone: He tweeted it from AF1.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @TenguPhule: Dammit! The Tom Holland reboot was starting to grow on me, and I really liked this version of MJ. Do we need to reboot again? (Though I still can’t get used to Marisa Tomei as Aunt May). Or could they continue with the current cast, just without any Marvel characters around. I’d be OK with that.

    I suppose if they’re going to reboot, I’d kind of like to see a live-action version of Miles Morales. With or without any of the parallel Spider-persons.

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    J R in WV says:

    @TenguPhule:

    In depressing news: Idaho has been forced to change signage on children’s buses after angry drivers began following vehicles full of migrant children.

    Shouldn’t unmarked cruisers be assigned to escort those buses, to arrest anyone acting out towards them? That ought to quash things pretty quickly, and provide a record of those committing the crimes.

    No new paint job required, which won’t make any difference anyway, the racists already know which buses to attack. Once the criminal record is established, take away their right to the guns!

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I suppose the real question is: What entity is Tom Holland’s & the rest of the cast’s contract with?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @J R in WV:

    Shouldn’t unmarked cruisers be assigned to escort those buses, to arrest anyone acting out towards them?

    Its Idaho.

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    LuciaMia says:

    @Baud: Was just gonna say, is he quoting Dr. Evil now?

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    @TenguPhule: Amendment 14, section 1:

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Surely at least one person in the WH has read the Constitution.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Miss Bianca: That was trippy. Just listened to The White Ship.

    Lou: Electric yellow’s got me by the brain banana.

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    quantum man says:

    @TenguPhule: nah. poops money.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    “The doctors were coming out of the operating rooms!”

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    J R in WV says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    …Surely at least one person in the WH has read the Constitution.

    I would place more money on the butler having read it than anyone working as Presidential staff.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @zhena gogolia: Oh for the sake of all the fucks!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS

    Flashback to the Austin Power movie.

    ok, this just made me laugh :)

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    Mike in NC says:

    A quarter of the population of Hong Kong have been marching in the streets demanding their rights from China. Why hasn’t Fat Bastard offered to buy Hong Kong?

    Oh, non-white people. Never mind.

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    kindness says:

    I guess Trump not going to Denmark because Obama is going 2 weeks later is more reasonable than the idea that Denmark won’t consider selling Trump Greenland. But in all honesty is it reasonable at all to back out of the visit because you 1) don’t want to get shown up by a black man & 2) give and excuse about not being able to negotiate the purchase of a foreign territory? No.

    A much better excuse would have been, ‘Na dude, I can’t make it that day. I’m seeing a doctor that afternoon. My bone spurs are acting up.’

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    Jeffro says:

    @catclub: I have to tell you, trumpov has seriously made me reconsider my atheism more than a few times. I think only the fact that he is so plainly stupid-malicious instead of cunning-malicious is holding me back

    Otherwise, he fits the description to a tee.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @TenguPhule:

    “Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president’s power to change birthright citizenship,”

    “Few”? FEW? That number should be ZERO if not lower. Sheesh.

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    JPL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: So many nasty women.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker: Geez. Zus.

    “THEYLOVEMETHEYREALLYDOYOUFAKENEWSMEDIADONTREPORTITBUTTHEYDO!!!!1!”

    Holy-oly-cow.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: They have been trying to squeeze the juice out of the 14th by focusing laser like on that

    and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

    clause. As I understand it that keeps diplomats children from becoming citizens if both parents are not subject to US law. The claim that undocumented immigrants are no subject to US law is ludicrous, but were talking wingnut here.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mike in NC:

    A quarter of the population of Hong Kong have been marching in the streets demanding their rights from China. Why hasn’t Fat Bastard offered to buy Hong Kong?

    Oh, non-white people. Never mind.

    Ssshhh. Don’t tell Trump. Greenland is 88 percent Inuit, and 12 percent Danes and other Europeans.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    I should have known this Denmark thing would turn into “all these other countries are ungrateful for my, I mean America’s, majestic might.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Aren’t 4 out of 5 of his children Anchor Babies?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I will say it again…
    Birthright citizenship is the shiny object….
    But. don’t let it slip by you..
    they want the 14th Amendment because it is the foundation of everything positive that has happened legally since 1954.

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    CindyH says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Ha! I went to Paris last September and was given wonderful service by the cafe owner across the street from where I was staying – spoke to him in my pathetic French and he was so sweet about it and helped me muddle through. On my last day, he wished me safe travels back to Canada! I did not correct him.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @JaySinWA: This question has come up in a small way in my own family. Our Mom (deceased) was born here but her parents’ immigration status was let us say murky. Somebody has convinced my sister that means Mom was not a citizen. I’ve tried to tell her the Constitution is pretty clear on that but she’s insisting otherwise.

    Honestly I can’t see what difference it makes.

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    Barbara says:

    @TenguPhule: Idaho is one of the fastest growing states in the nation. It’s not big, but the in-migration from both other states and other countries is significant, though unlikely to shift the outcome of statewide elections anytime soon. It’s not just housing costs, it’s also the purchase of land that has long been viewed as subject to “common” rights. It’s a little terrifying to think of the kinds of conflicts like this that are going to rise to the surface over the next few years.

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    When it rains, it pours. Spiderman is once again out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because Fuck Disney!

    More complicated than that. The most recent Spidey movie grossed a billion bucks and Disney only got a relatively small piece of that, and merchandise rights. Both sides are greedy bastards, but a huge degree of the creativity in the films came from Disney/Marvel. The Sony chief is not noted for his movie smarts. It’s too bad that these dopes could not find a way to make this work. But I fear that Sony will fuck it up big time.

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    Tazj says:

    @Kay: There are people in my family that are conservative evangelicals. Although they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump, they didn’t vote for anyone for president in 2016, they agree with other conservative Christians that abortion and gay marriage are the biggest problems in the US and that the US would be punished if we allow these things to continue. Everything else can be overlooked if eventually the country transforms into their version of a Christian country.
    I don’t know what they’ll think now that Trump has become crazier. Maybe the excuse will be that he’s bad but that God can bring good out of a bad situation, like this had to happen for there to be a conservative Supreme Court.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Barbara: Hopefully very little of that migration is a response to the white enclave project.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @mrmoshpotato: You’re welcome. > : >

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    @Betty Cracker:

    He claims he was mobbed by adoring injured people and families, and doctors came “pouring out of operating rooms” when he visited the hospitals after the massacres because everyone loves him so much, but the unfair news media won’t report that.

    If he wanted the news media to report that, maybe he should have allowed reporters in to document his visit.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump, in reversal, says he is no longer looking at a payroll tax cut

    Trump will come back to this. He is afraid that a recession would make him look bad. He falsely thinks this tax cut might help.

    Plus, he really wants to cut the tax on capital gains. This mainly helps the rich, so he needs to be able to toss the middle class a bone.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Though I still can’t get used to Marisa Tomei as Aunt May.

    Marisa Tomei was jarring at first, but I’ve always preferred proactive interpretations of Aunt May to doddering old biddies who live just to have heart palpitations every time Peter needs more drama in his life. I have never understood how a 16-year-old boy can plausibly have an octogenarian “aunt.”

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    Jeffro says:

    @Roger Moore: Just trying to picture Obama railing that basically everyone anywhere near his presence “loves” him, and railing at the news media for not reporting that “love”.

    Much less Clinton doing that.

    Whenever you’re ready, national snooze media…

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    Brachiator says:

    @Roger Moore:

    He claims he was mobbed by adoring injured people and families, and doctors came “pouring out of operating rooms” when he visited the hospitals

    Next, he will claim that he healed the sick and raised the dead.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Tazj:

    I despise people like that. I tell them to their faces that I don’t think they’re really Christians. And I mean it too.

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    Origuy says:

    @JaySinWA: “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” also applied to American Indians until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. Native Americans who had left their traditional nations or joined the armed forces generally had citizenship; others did not.

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    @Jeffro:

    Just trying to picture Obama railing that basically everyone anywhere near his presence “loves” him

    Obama is not a Republican, elected by Republicans to represent Republican voters and interests. It’s not just IOKIYAR. This kind of resentful whining that everyone actually loves them and it’s not fair that they’re not being universally praised for their asshole behavior is the Republican voter.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Ever since the GM plant closed, he is probably right.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    I will say it again…
    Birthright citizenship is the shiny object….
    But. don’t let it slip by you..
    they want the 14th Amendment because it is the foundation of everything positive that has happened legally since 1954.

    Why not both? Trump always has been and always will be a white nationalist and nativist. His eye is on 1924 and the immigration bill that imposed strict quotas on some groups, and outright exclusion of others. He wants to limit citizenship to white people, and immigration to white people with money.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: You can edit it down to anyone who thinks war is a good idea should be nowhere near the levers of power. War may at times be necessary, but that just means that is the best of the bad options.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    @Tazj:

    I despise people like that. I tell them to their faces that I don’t think they’re really Christians. And I mean it too.

    I agree… they are not Christians. If I were a Christian (I’m not, closer to Pagan/Agnostic) I would say that too,, but since I’m not, I would feel strange criticizing someone else’s Christianity. Quite strange.

    But they are not Christian if they don’t believe in the teachings of Christ, can’t be done, either you’re in or you are not.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    That’s the weird thing about narcissists — they care what people think of them to the extent that they get enraged when they find out that other people don’t think as highly of them as they (pretend to) think of themselves. They have no ability to actually read other people or adjust their wants and needs to what others want and need, so they end up raging a LOT when they discover that other people have different thoughts and desires. In many ways, they really are emotional toddlers who never learned to differentiate between themselves and others.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @rikyrah: That may be their goal, but how are they going to pass the Amendment to repeal the 14th?

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    boatboy_srq says:

    Way late to this, but a thought nonetheless:

    We should all remember that Herod was also king of the same land. That doesn’t make him especially laudable either.

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    Tazj says:

    @Citizen Alan: I’ve gotten very angry with people in my family over this and have had arguments with them over politics. I’ve been honest about what my views are and said my peace. In the family I grew up in, there were 7 children, my oldest sister died. She was a liberal Democrat. Of the six remaining 4 are liberal Democrats and two are conservatives.
    To be honest the people I’m most angry at are the leaders of certain evangelical churches. I know my family members are adults and are ultimately responsible for their views but I hate the way these pastors constantly prioritize abortion and anti-gay theology above everything else. I feel like people who craved companionship and a sense of community have been manipulated by them.

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    chopper says:

    @Spanky:

    golden calf? trump is a butter sculpture at best.

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    VOR says:

    @CindyH: I learned how to say “I don’t speak French. Do you speak English?” in French. Simple phrase. I found that if you made an attempt, and used words like “Merci”, it went a very long way.

    I recall my wife and I had dinner at a cafe with sidewalk seating a block from the Eiffel Tower. An American couple at the next table was complaining about how rude the French were. Apparently their strategy for communication was to speak English louder, as if that would solve the communications gap. Then they watched us interact with the waiter and order dinner via pointing at the menu and holding up fingers, plus a few “Merci” and “S’il vous plait”. The waiter was all smiles and friendly – to us. American couple got mad and left.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Miss Bianca: Thank you.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @rikyrah: Yes, and Dump himself is an anchor baby.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @VOR:

    One of the funniest conversations I’ve ever had was when a cleaning person told me that she didn’t realize that one of our cats was hiding under the bedcovers when she went to strip them off and change the sheets, and she and the cat scared the heck out of each other.

    The conversation was primarily through hand gestures and a few words because I don’t speak much Spanish and she didn’t speak much English, but the humor definitely came across for both of us.

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    Ruckus says:

    @VOR:
    When I was last in Europe I learned hello, please and thank you in the language for each town I visited. Other sailors would come back to the ship and say that no one spoke english. I never asked anyone to speak english but always managed, with those 4 words to have people speak english to me or at the very least know what I was asking for. Always. Had a lot of wonderful conversations with many people in all of the countries. Even got to dance with a wonderful girl from Spain who didn’t speak any English. Good times.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Do you know how many states they are close to getting to call a Constitutional Convention?
    They only need a handful more of GOP controlled state legislatures.

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    Tehanu says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You know how they buried the pharoahs with their wives, concubines, servants, pets, food, wine, gold, jewels, objets de art?

    In Dump’s case, the golden toilets absolutely have to be included. In fact, he should be embalmed sitting on one.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JaySinWA: I’m suggesting they’re going to build a huge pyramid over the continental US and wall us off inside it with him.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Surely at least one person in the WH has read the Constitution.

    Would not take that bet.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Betty Cracker: The media couldn’t report it, even if it was true, which it isn’t, because the White House advance team banned them from entering the hospital.

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    debbie says:

    Driving home, I listened to an NPR interview with an American rabbi in regard to Trump’s statements about support of Democratic candidates equaling anti-Semitism. Interestingly, the rabbi several times used the term “Jew” instead of “Jewish person,” yet she was not called out as anti-Semitic by the interviewer. I wonder what those who called me anti-Semitic for using the same term a couple of days ago have to say about that.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I’ve known a couple “Jews turned Evangelical Christians” (as Wiki refers to Root), and they’re all nuts. Period.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @TenguPhule:

    For the record, Denmark is only at 1.35% of GDP for NATO spending. They are a wealthy country and should be at 2%. We protect Europe and yet, only 8 of the 28 NATO countries are at the 2% mark. The United States is at a much, much higher level than that….
    Donald J. Trump

    Wait until the Danes present the bill for 70 years unpaid rent on the Thule base complex.

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    rp says:

    @debbie: are you Jewish?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @rikyrah: Which 38 states would ratify an amendment repealing the 14Th Amendment?

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    Mai naem mobile says:

    @Brachiator: we did not need a fucking capital gains tax cut. Jeezus. It’s only 15 percent right now. If you can’t make money on a 15 percent tax you’re in the wrong business. More transfer of wealth upward.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Brachiator:

    It’s kinda hard to see how Trump will ever be able to go to Denmark after this idiotic outburst.

    The offer to buy a section of the Danish population (and the land they occupy) was an insult… Demanding an invitation to a State Visit, and then spurning it at the last minute (by Twitter), that was an insult… Then claiming that a rejection of his advances was an insult not just to him but to all of the US, requiring an insult to the Danish PM (and by extension, all of Denmark)…

    All Danish politicians are united in their contempt and disgust with Trump at the moment. It does not bear thinking about the outcry if the invitation to visit were to be renewed.

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    debbie says:

    @rp:

    Yes.

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