Good Morning Twitter I Would Like to Report a Brutal Beating

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:


    She’s not exactly playing Mrs Nice Gal any more. :)

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Torched that mofo. Good for her.

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    rikyrah says:


    you can blast and blister all these muthaphuckas until the end of time, and it would be ok. You would be well within your rights. The level of restraint that you have expressed……you are a better person than me.

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    My victory was even bigger than thought!

    He thinks it means Google changed votes. His supporters certainly do, I looked at the comments for once. It’s like a game of Telephone where every player is progressively more dumbass than the last.

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    rikyrah says:

    United States descends into new nuclear arms race with Russia

    Rachel Maddow shares new Defense Department video of a missile test launch that follows the abandonment of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty between the United States and Russia and marks the beginning of a new nuclear arms race that may also be responsible for a recent nuclear incident in Russia.

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    rikyrah says:

    Massive crowds flood Hong Kong streets protesting for democracy

    Rachel Maddow reports on nearly a quarter of the entire population of Hong Kong taking the streets despite discouraging weather to partake in pro-democracy protests.

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    Baud says:



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    germy says:

    I like no fucks left to give HRC.

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    rikyrah says:

    Americans in every state rally for gun reform as Trump waffles

    Rachel Maddow reports on gun reform protests taking place in every single U.S. state over the weekend as House Democrats announce an early return from Summer recess to build on gun reform legislation they’ve already passed, and Donald Trump is already going soft on the support for reform that he declared only two weeks ago.

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    rikyrah says:

    To advise patients fully, Planned Parenthood rejects federal cash

    Alexis McGill Johnson, acting president and CEO of Planned Parenthood, talks with Rachel Maddow about a new rule from the Trump administration that will block clinics like Planned Parenthood that accept federal money from informing patients of their abortion options, and why Planned Parenthood is choosing to forgo the money rather than not give patients a full range of medical advice.
    Aug. 19, 2019

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    rikyrah says:

    Iceland mourns loss of glacier destroyed by climate change

    Rachel Maddow reports on Iceland’s Okjokull glacier, which has lost its status as a glacier as a result of climate change. Iceland’s prime minister commemorated the loss with a plaque bearing a message to future generations.

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    Joe Falco says:

    289k likes compared to Trump’s 150k likes.

    Man, some things never change.

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    rikyrah says:

    August explosion not Russia’s first nuclear incident this summer

    Rachel Maddow points out that this month’s nuclear incident in Nyonoksa is not Russia’s first nuclear problem this summer. A Russian nuclear-powered submarine suffered a deadly fire in July.

    Nuclear monitoring stations fall silent after Russian explosion

    Michael R. Gordon, national security correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, talks with Rachel Maddow about his reporting on four Russian nuclear monitoring stations that mysteriously fell silent in the wake of a deadly explosion involving nuclear materials.

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    donnah says:

    President Hillary Clinton will always be the smart girl in the room.

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    rikyrah says:

    Mike Flynn quick to distance himself from Qanon-tied event

    Rachel Maddow shares the news that after reports by Mother Jones and others of Michael Flynn’s scheduled appearance at an event organized by an apparent Qanon conspiracy theorist, Flynn’s lawyer announced that he would not be attending.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Joe Falco:

    289k likes compared to Trump’s 150k likes.

    Man, some things never change.


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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah: I’m excited to eventually see/hear/read all about Flynn’s work with the Russian counterintelligence investigation/operation. Eventually.

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    marklar says:

    By extrapolation, this proves that ultimately 5.2 to 32 million Trump supporters will ultimately be indicted!

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    rikyrah says:


    There will be no repercussions for two white Texas rangers who tied a mentally ill Black man’s hands behind his back and led him down a public street like cattle as they rode on horseback.

    — (@theGrio) August 20, 2019

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    rikyrah says:

    For the first time in nearly 50 years, Planned Parenthood is being forced out of the Title X program, meaning people across the country who are already struggling to make ends meet might not be able to access the care they need.

    Absolutely devastating. #IStandWithPP #ProtectX

    — Planned Parenthood Action (@PPact) August 19, 2019

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    Boom! Mutha Phucka!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Alert the burn unit.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    One of my visiting sisters said something vile about Hillary, and before I could stop myself, I tore her a new asshole. Oops.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Don’t worry, she needed it.

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    Zinsky says:

    You go, Hilldawg! Better yet, Hillary should use her massive Twitter following to daily call Trump a “serial rapist“. Conservatives weren’t shy about calling Bill Clinton a rapist, despite the fact Juanita Broadrick would not swear, under oath, for Ken Starr that Clinton had raped her. She knows what perjury means. Trump is a rapist and a racist and should be called that loudly and publicly every day!!!

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    SFAW says:

    @Joe Falco:

    289k likes compared to Trump’s 150k likes.

    Google screwed with those numbers, too. He actually had 150 BILLION likes (which could also be transcribed as 150KKK, as in 1000x1000x1000), compared to 289 (without the “k”) for Hitlary, before Google cooked the books.

    And, by the way: if Google hadn’t fucked him over in 2016, he would have won 137 percent of the votes, and 841 electoral votes, and Hitlary would have had negative votes in both categories.

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    Zinsky says:

    @rikyrah: We need to start pelting Trumpo with rotten fruits and eggs. Throw anything you get your hands on at this pig. A few rotten eggs smashed in his pink scalp will take the fight out of him and watch him drop out of the race…

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    SFAW says:


    We need to start pelting Trumpo with rotten fruits and eggs. Throw anything you get your hands on at this pig.

    Probably not the smartest thing to do with the Secret Service near him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Zinsky: I don’t think Hillary should be calling Trump a rapist. At all. Go after him on substantive policy and integrity issues. That’s already an unending buffet.

    The rapist bit would be a side show, and easy to dismiss. (See! It’s projection! You know about Bill …) Hillary is too smart for that.

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    Snarki, child of Loki says:


    We need to start pelting Trumpo with rotten fruits and eggs. Throw anything you get your hands on at this pig.

    Probably not the smartest thing to do with the Secret Service near him.

    Probably better to just fart in his general direction.

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    Spanky says:

    This morning’s WaPo webpage has an opinion piece by Scaramucci. Also an article on how a moderate Dem from Richmond was shocked – shocked! “What a freshman congresswoman learned after her ‘stunning’ clash with progressives”.


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    Yarrow says:

    @Zinsky: Anyone who does that gets taken out by the Secret Service and makes Trump a victim and thus more sympathetic. Bad idea.

    @Elizabelle: Agree about not calling him a rapist. But also, just calling him out on policy won’t work. Pointing out how many people associated with his campaign have been indicted is perfect. It’s true and it also calls into question who he chooses to surround himself with. His decision-making ability. His character.

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    randy khan says:


    It would be a good time for people to throw a few bucks to Planned Parenthood.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Spanky: The Spanberger piece pissed me off. I am not a “moderate” myself, but I live in a red area, so I understand why Democrats NEED moderates. But Spanberger should maybe develop a little self-awareness?

    Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) accused lawmakers like Spanberger of being part of a “Child Abuse Caucus.” The chief of staff for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said their vote would “enable a racist system.” On Facebook, Spanberger was labeled “too late” and “clueless.”

    She was stunned. It was the first time the freshman congresswoman could not make sense of what was happening.

    How awful for them to distort her position like that, huh? So how does Spanberger respond?

    “That week showed me that for some people, ideology matters more than putting food in the mouth of a child,” she said. “And that was stunning to me.”


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    Victor Matheson says:

    @Miss Bianca: Yeah, but Trump earned the majority of the likes in states representing just over 270 electoral votes, so by any reasonable view of the data, Trump’s tweet was clearly preferred by most Americans over Hillary’s tweet.

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    SFAW says:


    Not a Native American, but Nagle’s demands (so to speak) re: what Warren needs to say seem sort of purity-pony-ish. [i.e., Warren should recant because DNA proves nothing]

    Words that Nagle wants/demands Warren to say:

    In October of 2018 I took a DNA test to try and prove that my family’s story was true. The DNA test proved nothing, because only tribal affiliation and kinship prove Cherokee identity, not race or biology. Equating Cherokee identity with the results of a DNA test is wrong.
    It was not only my fault, but my privilege to never question what my parents told me. Research on my genealogy going back over 150 years does not reveal a single Native ancestor. Like many people who grew up with such stories, mine was never true.

    Have I missed something? Did Warren’s DNA prove that she had no Native American ancestry? Or is the above just a case of “YOU don’t get to decide whether you belong in the Club. Only WE get to decide that”?

    Sincere apologies if I’m asking really stupid questions.

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    gwangung says:

    Or is the above just a case of “YOU don’t get to decide whether you belong in the Club. Only WE get to decide that”?

    That’s the case for ANY social/cultural group.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Betty Cracker: Pocan is my Rep. The more I see of him, the more I like him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: Abigail Spanberger is wonderful. Very thoughtful and courageous.

    And she barely won. Race was not called until 11 pm. And we outworked Brat’s campaign, exponentially. It was hard. She would not have won but for redistricting, which took maroon red Hanover County out of the mix.

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    trollhattan says:

    Ay to the men.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:


    Wonder what they think is going to happen. Do they have a sincere belief that Beijing is going to grant them greater autonomy, in light of the fact that the State Council now wants to include Shenzhen in the political/economic region?

    They’ve killed their own good deal. Hong Kong will now go behind the Great Firewall, and the pro-autonomy voices are going to be diluted by the numbers brought in as Beijing consolidated regional governing units.

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    rikyrah says:


    Texas couple with a history of running gay conversion programs are charged with human trafficking for ‘forcing underage boys at their religious home for troubled youths to do lawn work and punishing them by making them stare at walls if they misbehaved’

    Gary Wiggins, 49, and wife Meghann, 34, were charged with human trafficking
    They ran The Joshua Home in Bertram, Texas, a home for troubled young boys
    Wiggins has been accused in the past of running gay conversion programs
    Despite being reported to authorities several times, he has evaded arrest for years by uprooting his operation whenever police looked into him
    In July last year, eight boys aged 10-17 were removed from their home amid claims of abuse and forced labor
    The Wiggins moved to Alabama but were extradited back to Texas this weekend
    Now, they are each being held on $100,000 bonds in county jail
    Former ‘students’ at Wiggins’ other homes have told how he beat them with belts to ‘get the demons out of them and make them straight’


    PUBLISHED: 08:21 EDT, 20 August 2019 |
    UPDATED: 09:34 EDT, 20 August 2019

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    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker: @Elizabelle: It’s idiotic for any Democrat to attack a Dem who won in a traditionally Republican district and by only a few points, which is what Spanberger is. We would not have Nancy Pelosi as Speaker if we didn’t have Dems like her. Especially attacking her publicly on social media, which only signals the bots and trolls to boost the signal is incredibly short sighted. You nominate a progressive in that district and the Republican wins. This woman quoted in the article get it:

    Linda Higgins, the pastor at St. John’s United Church of Christ, was in the audience. She wants Congress to impeach the president. She also worked to get Spanberger elected.

    “Would we have loved to put a progressive up? Yeah,” Higgins said. “Would they have won? No. There is some reality in politics. We knew who she was. But she is wonderfully who she is.”

    She also spoke to the Dem caucus to explain her position, background and experience:

    After Spanberger spoke, Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a liberal who voted against the Senate bill that she supported, was impressed.

    “She did a very good job of trying to appeal to all sides of the caucus by being very raw and personal and authentic,” he said, confirming he emailed her a note of support. “It showed people in caucus whether progressive or Blue Dog or Problem Solvers, we shouldn’t demonize [fellow Democrats] over one vote.”

    Didn’t hear a lot about Khanna supporting her on Outrage Twitter.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Fuck Pocan. You don’t say that about other Democrats. You really don’t.

    More from the WaPost article:

    As a mother of three who had worked on child abuses cases while a Postal Service investigator, Spanberger was particularly stung by the suggestion that she backed a measure that harmed children.

    “That was the first time that I had been so surprised by the disconnect between what people were saying out there in the ether and . . . reality,” she said.

    …. Most people knew she had been a CIA officer, she said, recounting the speech. But in her 20s, she worked in the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Postal Service, on narcotics and child exploitation cases.

    As the only Spanish speaker during most arrests, she said she told them, “I was the one walking in the door. I was the one yelling, ‘Put your hands up.’ . . . I was the one dealing with crying children, telling them that we were taking their Daddy away. . . . I was the one talking to a crying wife, saying why we were arresting her spouse.”

    She wanted her colleagues to know she had experience easing children through difficult moments and was trying to act in their best interest.

    She also understood that officers whose duties require them to enforce the law in difficult circumstances often carry the psychic burdens of those responsibilities.

    Members of Congress have the power to try to fix the underlying policies that created those conditions, she said.

    After Spanberger spoke, Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a liberal who voted against the Senate bill that she supported, was impressed.

    “She did a very good job of trying to appeal to all sides of the caucus by being very raw and personal and authentic,” he said, confirming he emailed her a note of support. “It showed people in caucus whether progressive or Blue Dog or Problem Solvers, we shouldn’t demonize [fellow Democrats] over one vote.”

    When it came time for Congress to pass a defense spending package, Ocasio-Cortez submitted an amendment that would have prohibited the detention of undocumented immigrants in Department of Defense facilities.

    Spanberger considered the measure shortsighted and voted ‘no.’ If the military cannot house kids, they could be sent to even less hospitable facilities, she said.

    Not everything is a chance to pirouette and show your purity credentials.

    You get some terrible situations out there, and imperfect choices.

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    Kay says:

    A great deal of President Trump’s policy record — on issues like health care, energy and even immigration — would need a second term to fully take root, and could be easily reversed if he doesn’t get one.
    Why it matters: Trump is doing a lot: He has upended American politics, and his appointment of conservative judges will reverberate well beyond his presidency. But if — if — he were to be a one-term president, the substantive policy changes he’d leave behind could be short-lived.
    The big picture: Trump has scored few big legislative wins so far, and will instead head into 2020 with a policy record that comes largely from executive action, like regulations to expand bare-bones health insurance plans and roll back Obama-era energy standards.
    Other steps that would normally be harder to reverse may not be fully cemented by January 2021.
    “It’s a fairly slim record, even judging against single-term presidents, partly because the legislative achievement list is so short,” said Andrew Rudalevige, an expert on the presidency who has published books on both the Obama and George W. Bush legacies.

    This is our reward for paying the low quality hires. They didn’t get a lot of laws passed. It’s the giant tax cut for the rich and that’s about it, and that’s unpopular and so might be easier to undo. So- bad that we have to pay them, but good that they’re bad at their jobs and don’t work very hard. Of course, we’re stuck with the bottom of the barrel judges, so that can’t be helped.

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    Kay says:

    Trump is doing a lot

    That made me laugh because everyone who hires anyone has hired that person “he seems to be DOING a lot, but I don’t know- where IS it? WHAT is it?”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle & @Yarrow: Well, if “fuck them” is on tap for Pocan and other progressives for attacking fellow Democrats, why does that not apply to Spanberger? That’s my point. They said all these terrible and unfair things about her, and then she turns around and accuses them of wanting to keep food out of the mouths of babes. Do y’all not see the problem with that business model? Sauce, goose, gander, etc.

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    @Yarrow: Ro Khanna is in the purity caucus of blame other Ds first.

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    Gretchen says:

    @SFAW: @SFAW: I’m with you! Her DNA test did show that she had Native ancestry, just farther back than she thought. The fact that nobody in her family registered in a tribe when NAs were discriminated against just means somebody back there « passed ». It’s not something people in that time and place called attention to, any more than a light-skinned black person called attention to their black ancestry. She believed her family, she believed her DNA test, and there’s no reason she shouldn’t continue to believe them. She doesn’t need to grovel about it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker: It’s not a “business model” and it doesn’t work the same in both directions. It’s safer for her to attack Pocan because his district is a safe Dem district than it is for progressives to attack her or any Dem from a swing or typically Republican district. Just how do progressives think they’ll get their priorities passed if Dems like Spanberger lose their seats and Dems lose the House? I don’t think publicly attacking those Dems and getting the social media mob to go after them is good or smart politics.

    I see the WaPo piece as a Spanberger fluff piece to shore up her “centrist cred” ahead of the election. It means nothing outside of her district in the long run.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I didn’t read it that way. She did not think the bill would pass. She was very likely right. Grim reaper Moscow Mitch and all.

    She went for what she thought was attainable. Overton Window, yes, but kids without food is kids without food. (And toothbrushes, and bed, and soap, and clothing, as we have heard.)

    I do appreciate the Democrats wanting to put in more provisions for how the Trump maladministration spent the money.

    I am disappointed in you, Betty. There is a world of difference between what Pocan said and what Spanberger said. A world.

    ETA: What Pocan is alleged to have said: and is this true?

    Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) accused lawmakers like Spanberger of being part of a “Child Abuse Caucus.”

    A child abuse caucus. Fellow Democrats. Really? That is absurd.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @rikyrah: The plaque at Okjökull:

    In the next 200 years, all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path. This monument is to acknowledge that we know what is happening and know what needs to be done. Only you know if we did it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m aware. And since he praised Spanberger I thought it was notable. It didn’t get much attention that I saw. Outrage Twitter prefers shiny objects.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @SFAW: Luxury!

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    Yarrow says:

    What Pocan is alleged to have said: and is this true?

    Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) accused lawmakers like Spanberger of being part of a “Child Abuse Caucus.”

    According to this article he tweeted it:

    Since when did the Problem Solvers Caucus become the Child Abuse Caucus? Wouldn’t they want to at least fight against contractors who run deplorable facilities? Kids are the only ones who could lose today.

    — Rep. Mark Pocan (@repmarkpocan) June 27, 2019

    But if you click through the tweet doesn’t exist so maybe he deleted it.

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    @Joe Falco: It’s almost as if more people wanted her to be president!

    Ceterum censeo factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

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    rikyrah says:


    This is our reward for paying the low quality hires. They didn’t get a lot of laws passed. It’s the giant tax cut for the rich and that’s about it, and that’s unpopular and so might be easier to undo.

    But, Republicans don’t want to govern. They got passed what they wanted to – the tax cuts.
    And, if we hadn’t of fought, they would have gutted Obamacare, and if we hadn’t of won in November 2018, they would have been on their way to completely shredding the American Social Safety Net.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Yarrow: You seem to be saying it’s okay for Blue Dogs to accuse progressives of wanting to let children go hungry, but it’s NOT okay for progressives to accuse Blue Dogs of propping up a racist system by passing a bill with no restrictions on the use of the money as the Republicans wanted. I don’t agree. There are valid arguments for either course of action, but you either assume good faith among fellow Democrats and hash out your real differences in respectful terms or you don’t. Expressing shock and dismay about what one faction said about you and then turning around and engaging in the exact same behavior yourself is hypocrisy.

    @Elizabelle: Both factions had understandable justifications for their actions at the time of the vote, IMO. I don’t blame Spanberger for taking the vote she thought was the right one. But yeah, I think it’s every bit as shitty to accuse fellow Democrats of putting ideology over feeding children as it is to accuse fellow Democrats of enabling continued Republican child abuse. I don’t see a “world of difference” there at all.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @gwangung: Careful… “we get to decide whether you’re in the club” is TERFs’ argument against trans rights.

    I think it’s reasonable to treat Native American tribal identity as somewhat special, here, given the history of dispossession, appropriation and denial of sovereignty inflicted on them. Warren wasn’t careful and she paid the price. That said, I do think there are people determined to never be satisfied with any amends she tries to make. Particularly on Twitter.

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    Mandalay says:


    A child abuse caucus. Fellow Democrats. Really? That is absurd.

    Yes it is absurd, but how is that any worse than what Spandberger said of progressives:

    That week showed me that for some people, ideology matters more than putting food in the mouth of a child

    Spanberger is no lightweight dummy, and I get it that she will be in a tight race for reelection and needs to stay in the center, and some comments lobbed at her were way out of line, but she still has no business spewing that nonsense.

    If she truly believes that “some people” put ideology ahead of feeding children then she should name them, but her cowardly “some say” crap isn’t going to fly, and she richly deserves blowback for it.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: I think Pocan deleted it.

    Politico (!)** article from July 10, 2019: ‘Do not tweet’: Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting
    The House speaker urged liberal Democrats not to criticize their centrist colleagues in public.

    … Democrats in the room said they interpreted that remark, in part, as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin and co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the “Child Abuse Caucus” in a tweet over their support for the Senate’s version of the emergency humanitarian package.

    Speaking behind closed-doors Wednesday morning, Pelosi also gave an emphatic defense of the moderates in the caucus, according to multiple sources, telling the room that they’re critical to holding the House majority. Pelosi told Democrats not to make the Blue Dog Coalition their targets, but criticize her publicly if they need to go after someone.

    “I’m here to help the children when it’s easy and when it’s hard. Some of you are here to make a beautiful pâté but we’re making sausage most of the time,” Pelosi told the caucus.

    The California Democrat added that when her members target her, it helps fundraising, eliciting a big laugh inside the room.

    “We are a family, and every family has its moments,” the speaker said.

    …. Some of the moderates who felt targeted by Pocan’s tweet also spoke up in the caucus meeting, including Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia, who belongs to the Problem Solvers Caucus that Pocan derided as child abusers.

    As a former federal law enforcement agent who focused on child trafficking, Spanberger said she was horrified that a fellow Democrat would compare members of his own party to child abusers, according to multiple people in the room.

    Speaking to reporters later Wednesday, Pocan did not back away from his criticism of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, which had taken credit for helping scrap the House’s more liberal version of a humanitarian border package last month.

    And, alas, the Problem Solvers Caucus was birthed by (gag) No Labels. That is problematic. I would guess it was the GOP members who were doing the victory dance over scrapping the more liberal version of the proposed legislation.

    All that said, a red district or a purple district is hard. Very hard.

    ** Notice the photo caption. Democrat [sic] caucus. Politico editors just cannot help themselves.

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    Elizabelle says:

    And I am delighted that AOC’s firebrand chief of staff has departed. That has got to be helpful. Chakrabarti or whatever. Silicon Valley bro.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’m not saying progressives can’t criticize Blue Dogs. It’s just stupid to speak without taking into account the politics of the situation. If we want to keep the Dem majority we need those Dems from swing districts and typically Republican districts much more than any specific progressive Dem. Take out a progressive Dem and a Democrat will still be elected in those districts. Does that mean that swing district Dems will/should get more deference. Yes, probably. Is that fair? Nope. It’s reality, though.

    If they want to criticize Blue Dogs then pick the time, place and method. Doing it on Twitter with a tweet that will sent up the bot signal isn’t the best place. I commented above that Pocan apparently deleted his tweet so maybe he thought better of it?

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    LuciaMia says:


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    Cathie Fonz says:

    I will NEVER understand why Democrats haven’t spent the last 2 years cementing the “Hillary won the popular vote” truth into US consciousness

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Cathie Fonz: I know. And that despite massive voter suppression.

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    Speaking of iDJT’s feeble deflections, has anyone bothered to ask him, “If gun violence is primarily a ‘mental health issue’ as you state without basis, what’s your policy solution? Aren’t you getting close to sane people’s urging analysis and policy which treats gun violence as a public health crisis, and informed by considerable, appropriate federal resources which your administration has forbidden from even mentioning the topic?”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Yarrow: I get the political realities involved with electing and keeping Blue Dogs on board, but are mean tweets from some other state’s progressive reps going to harm Spanberger with her constituents in Brat’s old district? Seems unlikely.

    Blue Dogs already get deference from leadership, which I personally find irritating but accept as politically necessary. It’s not Pocan’s or any other non-leadership Dem’s job to coddle her, and boohooing about it and slinging mud in The Post weeks after the fact seems a worse offense than tweeting something mean in the heat of the moment to me. YMMV.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: I think getting called a “child abuser” when you’re a mother of three and Girl Scout leader, and committed to healthcare and women’s rights — and ran on that, in a district formerly represented by a goddamned Tea Partier, is a little much.

    I also hate how this kind of stuff tears us apart.

    Pocan will never have another chance to make a first impression on me. Had never heard of him, and it’s for this ridiculous behavior. If he can’t control himself better, he should not be on twitter. You actually never get to walk that stuff back. It is always out there.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elizabelle: Well, that works both ways, you know? None of the participants covered themselves in glory here. That said, I’d gladly take either Pocan or Spanberger over the Trump-humping cretin who represents my district.

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    Butter emails!!! says:

    You know, I sympathize with Spanberger’s vote, but it actually was a vote to give an almost blank check to people keeping children in fucking cages. There’s no control over what this lawless administration and their crony contractors will spend the money, so no assurance that any of it will put food in children’s mouths as opposed buying hookers, blow and barbed wire.

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    @Yarrow: NP knows how to herd her Congress Kittehs.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Cathie Fonz: Every Democrat I know talks about that constantly to the point where it’s become something of a joke. The usual response is either “so what? That and a buck fifty will get you a Coke”, or to go on about the Wisdom of the Founding Fathers, or to start spinning conspiracy theories about fake votes from non-citizens. Going beyond that would require some kind of mind control.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker: I just didn’t find that WaPo article all that bad. I don’t think it’ll make any difference one way or the other to Spanberger, the left side of the Dem party or anything else. I didn’t like her wording but it’ll work for her because it continues to place her in the “centrist” category by saying she doesn’t agree with the more left folks. “They’re extreme; I’m not. Vote for me.”

    I do think saying or tweeting something that can be used by bots and trolls to label Blue Dog Dems as being part of a “Child Abuse Caucus” is really bad politics and hurts overall Dem goals. Five years ago I wouldn’t have thought that. I’ve learned a lot about disinformation and how it’s used to undermine our goals as Dems, undermine our Democratic caucus and damage our country. I think making statements that can then be used against us by bots and trolls who use social media to weaponize disinformation in the service of foreign enemy states is just all around a bad idea.

    I don’t really care if it’s fair or whatever. I want results. Spanberger is a great fit for the district and we have the House and Nancy Pelosi because she and others like her, including one I worked my ass off to get elected, are there. I don’t agree with all their positions but they’re a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I’ll fight to defend them every day.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Betty Cracker: My sister is in Spanberger’s district. She knows what’s what with politics there. Somebody attacking her rep’s progressive bona fides is not going to make her stay home.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Warren wasn’t careful and she paid the price.

    What did Warren do or say that wasn’t “careful” wrt this issue? I missed it.

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    CliosFanBoy says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Understandable..

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Elizabelle: Pocan is pretty staid normally, but he has probably put in more time on the border and around the camps than any non-border Rep. except possibly AOC. Seeing kids in cages probably isn’t the best recipe for comity. It sounds to me like frustration may have boiled over in the wake of the vote – especially given that the tweet in question seems to have been deleted.

    @Elizabelle: He pretty much has a seat for as long as he wants it. He took Tammy Baldwin’s seat when she ran for the Senate. I am sure that he can live without your approval.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    It’s truly a pity Hilary didn’t show that side of herself during the election. A dig like that at Trump during the debate might have inverted the whole “Hilary is a bitch” mem the press pushes and won her the election. But the usually story, the consultants tell the candidates Democrats might be nice and not bring up their opponent’s glaring short comings.

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