{FacePalm} Open Thread: Greenland, Unlike the Trump Administration, Is Not For Sale

“Losing” — ?!?

202 replies
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    Ken says:

    Ok, is anyone around him, at the very least, a little bit concerned that he has lost his mind?

    A question that, if there is any justice, will be asked of every one of them on the witness stand.

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    opiejeanne says:

    This is why I love Balloon Juice.

    I just read this to mr opiejeanne and he doesn’t know whether he should laugh or not. Trump is insane.

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    dmsilev says:

    For the next, I dunno, five generations, whenever someone tries to claim that Republicans are serious adults, it should be met with ‘they elected and supported Donald Trump. Case closed.’

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Ken: Did he have a mind to lose?

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    namekarB says:

    Somebody should whisper in his ear that the Lost isle of Atlanta has been found and is looking for a host country

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    Peale says:

    The sad truth is that for the next 40 years, Republican presidents will be running on the promise to get the Danes to sell Greenland and eventually Denmark will join Iran, Venezuela and North Korea in the Axis of Evil.

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    NotMax says:

    Downhill Donald thinks it is all one big putting green, doesn’t he?

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    Mike in NC says:

    What Fat Bastard really meant to say was “Denmark is a very WHITE country with incredible WHITE people…”

    When we visited Copenhagen, a tour guide explained that their national flag was the exclusive property of the Danish government. People couldn’t just run out to whatever they have equivalent to Wal*Mart and treat the flag like a piece of toilet paper, like Fat Bastard does.

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    Wag says:


    I just read this to mr opiejeanne and he doesn’t know whether he should laugh or not.

    I’m laughing while beating my head against the table.

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    NotMax says:


    My bad. Substitute “believes” for “thinks.” For obvious reasons.

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    Joe Falco says:

    I go and watch a movie (The Art of Racing in the Rain) and this was the first piece of news on my phone when I walk out of the theater. Dammit, America, I need to go back in and watch another movie until I get better news when I come out.

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    NotMax says:

    @Joe Falco

    Popcorn is good but not sure it is a life sustaining diet.


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    Ken says:

    Now that I’ve read his tweets postponing the trip, I’m pretty sure he thinks this is a negotiating tactic, and in less than a month the Danes will crawl back to the table and beg to sign the deal.

    So yes, insane.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @NotMax: much easier to putt uphill, FYI

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    TS (the original) says:

    trump really hates travelling anywhere other than to his golf courses. He made a ridiculous fool of himself in London, maybe he was just looking for a reason to cancel a trip that one of his minions thought he was capable of doing.

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    dexwood says:

    @Joe Falco:
    Don’t leave me hanging, how was the flick? Haven’t heard of it.

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    Momus says:

    How long until we hear, “The Marines have landed”?

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    Mary G says:

    JOE BIDEN speaking now in Urbande, IA: “When Bobby Kennedy and Dr King were assassinated, in the 70s—in the late 70s.”— Hamilton Nolan (@hamiltonnolan) August 20, 2019

    Oy.— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) August 21, 2019

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    NotMax says:

    @<a href="https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/08/20/facepalm-open-thread-greenland-unlike-the-trump-administration-is-not-for-sale/#comment-7379217"Steve in the ATL

    The ball: southern tip of Greenland.

    The hole: northern tip of Greenland.

    Dolt 45: “That’s a gimme.”


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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @TS (the original):

    Surprised he didn’t send Ivanka to sub for him.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    I can offer the Aurora Islands for a very reasonable price.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mary G: Go home, Joe.

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    Ken says:

    @NotMax: The “Three Sisters” combination of corn, beans, and squash is nutritionally complete. Working out how to add beans and squash to popcorn is left as an exercise for the reader, or perhaps a particularly disgusting episode of “Chopped”.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Sm*t Cl*de: I believe Laputa is also available.

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    NotMax says:


    Perfect for aerial surveillance! Add a little stealth technology here, a little there…

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    zhena gogolia says:

    The night of that f–king election I was shaking all night and I said to my husband, “I don’t want to see what he’s going to do. I don’t want to live through it.”

    I had no idea.

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    Joe Falco says:


    It’s a sweet movie like most dog movies are. I’d recommend it if you got nothing else to watch. I could probably listen to Kevin Costner’s gravely old man(dog?) voice narrate audio books all the time in the car if I could.


    Maybe not, but if it’s fresh popcorn , I wouldn’t mind wasting away eating it. ;)

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    stinger says:

    @Mary G: Evidence of the immutable law that, when you are chastising someone for minor errors, you make one yourself. There’s an Urbandale, Iowa, and an Urbana, Iowa, but no Urbande. Glad to see that Nolan caught his typo shortly after tweeting it.

    And there’s probably a typo in this comment!

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    kindness says:

    I’m not really sure what is real anymore.

    What’s worse is the President is already there.

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    debbie says:

    “It all started with the strawberries…”

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    zhena gogolia says:


    He obviously meant late 60s.

    I’m paying no attention to Biden “gaffes.” The POTUS cancelled a trip to Denmark because they won’t sell him Greenland. There is no such thing as a “gaffe” by any Democrat. Note I said Democrat.

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    Dan B says:

    Trump rage tweets at Denmark. At Denmark?!? Is there a more benign country?

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    On the plus side, I bet Joe has no interest in buying another country.

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    debbie says:


    I think he’s stopped listening to her. She should just leave.

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    dexwood says:

    @Joe Falco:
    Thanks. Will look for it. We have one independent/art theater left in this town. We patronize the place. My son and his wife booked the place for their wedding years ago.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Dan B: Luxembourg?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I had no idea.

    I mean this completely unironically: NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    Nancy Pelosi should go to Mexico and announce that Texas is available for purchase or lease with option.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I look forward to seeing the list of sanctions that Trump proposes against Denmark for its churlish refusal to sell Greenland.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    I was looking at my programming guide on Sling TV, and I noticed two channels.

    1. RT America showing ‘Politicking w/Larry King’.
    I despised Larry King when he was on CNN, so I’m not upset or disappointed at this like I was when Ed Schultz (R.I.P.) went to RT America after his MSNBC show was cancelled.

    2. NewsmaxTV listing ‘Michelle Malkin Investigates’
    Frankly I wouldn’t watch that channel unless I was getting paid, but I can guess what she ‘investigates’.

    The above notwithstanding there are some interesting news channels on Sling Blue, especially since I added the News Extras package to get MSNBC.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amir Khalid: Herring tariffs.

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    Mary G says:

    Biden says he’s not worried about large crowds his progressive rivals are getting. “What I'm trying to do is go around from town to town. And I'm drawing as big of crowds — bigger than anybody. Have you seen anybody draw bigger crowds than me here in this state?” Yes, he’s told.— Matt Viser (@mviser) August 20, 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @zhena gogolia: I’m with you. Any time now someone tries to make something of “Democratic gaffes” I’m going to go all Death Stare and say “Greenland. At least they’re not offering to buy fucking GREENLAND.”

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    No danishes at hotel breakfast buffets, for starters. Followed closely by banning any productions of Hamlet.


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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Peale: Maybe I’m being optimistic but I’m hoping that Trump is the last Republican President for a couple of decades. He certainly should be. They have lost their minds.

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    Popcorn is good but not sure it is a life sustaining diet.

    Now you tell me.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    2h2 hours ago
    Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time….

    Follow Follow @BettyBowers
    Replying to @realDonaldTrump
    She found out your credit score.

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    Jeffro says:

    @zhena gogolia: Agreed. Joe’s not my #1 pick, but I’ll start drilling down on his “gaffes” right after he gets busted paying off a mistress with campaign funds laundered through a shell corporation, or participating in multi-generational tax fraud, or calling for/accepting the assistance of a hostile foreign power in subverting our democratic elections.

    Also, Greenland. Also, tweeting crazy shit eight times a day. Also, also, also…

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ken: reminds me of “Guns, Germs and Steel: A Short History of Everybody for the Last 13,000 Years”. Good read if you haven’t already.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Amir Khalid: IKEA furniture, BMWs, and North Sea gas will all be targeted.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Ken: Simple. Add the popcorn as a ‘textural component ‘ to a mixture of spaghetti squash and beans. I’m sure we can come up with a sauce to tie it all together.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Mary G: Biden recently claimed that Dr. King and President Kennedy were assassinated in the 70s. I really hope that he’s not our nominee.

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    @Mary G: Ugh, Joe needs to hang it up.

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    NotMax says:

    @ Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    Larry King has been appearing on RT for years, and is among the co-owners with them of the concern behind some of the odious video ads that show up on the front page.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Dan B: Belgium? No wait – CANADA! (I know trumpov has already knocked Trudeau around a bunch of times but not the country itself)

    When he goes after Canadians, well, THEN we’ll know he’s finally 25th Amendment material. But not now – getting pissed at Denmark for rejecting his offer to buy Greenland is totally reasonable. Absolutely.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    None of the candidates needs to hang it up except Gabbard and Williamson.

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    Ken says:

    @Gravenstone: If we’re hypothetically talking about a “Chopped” basket, the sauce will have to be based on squid, because the fourth item in the basket is always a squid.

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    NotMax says:


    In B-J tradition, Blechamel sauce.

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    They make that cheese, so, no.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Miss Bianca: At this point, I think it’s more threatening to buy Greenland. As in approaching ‘offer they can’t refuse ‘ level of fixation.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Biden recently claimed that Dr. King and President Kennedy were assassinated in the 70s. I really hope that he’s not our nominee.

    “Greenland. At least he’s not offering to buy fucking GREENLAND.”

    @Miss Bianca: I think it works.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jeffro: Belgium has another century or so of living down what they did in their Congo colony before being allowed to compete for ‘most innocuous’.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: If you mean Limburger, that is Dutch. That style of cheese is also made in Wisconsin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    NotMax says:


    Or licorice.


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    @Patricia Kayden: That’s why we just celebrated the 40th anniversary of the moon landing a few weeks ago and will be celebrating the 40th anniversary of the internet in a couple of weeks.

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    Jeffro says:

    @dmsilev: Fair enough. Canada it is! And maybe Lichtenstein?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: no effing way. Banking state. Maybe Lichtenstein.

    @dmsilev: dude, stop ripping off my posts from last night!

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    Marc Goldberg The staff of The Onion all just quit today as you can’t even write satire when real life has become a colossal joke.

    Comment on FB regarding Greenland/Denmark IQ45 tweet.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jeffro: dude, stop ripping off my posts from tonight!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: mmm…smoked Wisconsin Limburger….

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    And maybe Lichtenstein?

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Maybe Lichtenstein.

    It is really nice place get lunch if you are headed to Davos.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    If I understand this, trump was talking not too seriously about buying Greenland, and it leaked to the media. Trump denied wanting to buy Greenland, but then his apologists on Fox and elsewhere, what Jon Lovett calls his zambonis, started being all “Akshully, wanting to buy Greenland is bigly smart and it was Truman’s idea.” And trump saw these people making excuses for him and got confused and now thinks he was trying to buy Greenland and so he cancelled his visit.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Ken: Spent four days on a boat in Ha Long Bay, Vietnam – live-aboard sea kayaking – and I swear to God, every dish at every meal involved squid (squid fishing is very big there.)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference….

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    Repatriated says:

    The US buying buying Greenland makes a weird kind of sense when viewed in the context of a near-future US & Russia alliance against the entire rest of the world, particularly Europe and China.

    That said, such an alliance would benefit Russia far more than it could possibly benefit the US. Which raises the question, “WTF!?”

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    cynthia ackerman says:


    Real Indian popcorn (e.g. those little dried multicolor ears on sale around Thanksgiving) is more flavorful and delicate than Paleface’s.

    I make a mean salmon stew with it, and beans and squash.

    Seriously, if you like popcorn, try a few ears this fall. Recommend pan frying over air popper, as the tiny kernels can blow away.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:


    Larry King has been appearing on RT for years, and is among the co-owners with them of the concern behind some of the odious video ads that show up on the front page.

    Ora TV?

    His shows may just be licensed to RT America, as opposed to being produced by them, but I have no doubt that if he consistently went ‘off message’ RT America would drop him like a hot potato.

    Never mind that his appearance gives RT America undeserved credibility.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was thinking maybe Andorra but the whole 13th century loyalty to two princes brought back painful memories of the Spin Doctors and other ‘90’s atrocities.

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    Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Squid and jelly fish are thriving under global warming.

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    geg6 says:

    I just can’t even any more with this mother fucker. Jesus fucking Christ, make it stop!

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: surely aFISHionados ? Or aFISHINados ?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Chetan Murthy: Squid aren’t fish.

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    NotMax says:

    @Steve in the ATL

    San Marino.

    We’ll finally break the stranglehold of Big Match!

    …Italy provides San Marino with an annual stipend, and at cost, sea salt (not more than 250 tonnes per year), tobacco (40 tonnes), cigarettes (20 tonnes) and matches (unlimited amount). Source

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @geg6: I was with you until you used swear words. Now I’m totally pro-trump.

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    zzyzx says:

    Might be bad form to quote my own tweet but…

    Maybe someone can read Trump the book of Esther so he can see how Jews feel about politicians demanding that we swear loyalty to them.— David Steinberg (@zzyzx) August 21, 2019

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @NotMax: yes! And that is an impressive salt to tobacco ratio, one of the key measures of QOL.

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    Repatriated says:

    What if Trump just wants to buy Greenland so he can flip it to Russia?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    “Downhill Donald” I love that! Mind of if I steal it?

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Please do; pass it on.

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    cynthia ackerman says:


    My usual Queeg pet peeve:

    Conventional wisdom too often treats him as a case study in freak. Strawberries, yellow stain, shirt tails, ball bearings, typhoon … Hyuk hyuk hyuk, what a maroon!

    The real point of The Caine Mutiny is that his officers are the bad guys, for actively and/or passively throwing him under the bus, when they had a range of options that preserve his dignity while ensuring the ship’s safety, because that’s what he asked them to do.

    When someone today pokes fun at Queeg, it’s probably out of ignorance, possibly because s/he is child of darkness, just like the mutineers.

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    lamh36 says:

    Whassup BJ.

    A bit of late night posting for a little while…before getting back to some studying

    So, I’m taking 2 accounting courses this semester. I’ve never taken an accounting course before. I’m ok with math, but after one day of class and studying, I’m realizing that I will need to use as much of my time just keeping up and not falling behind in these accounting classes. I was spoiled by the ease of classes I had this past 3 semesters…smh. Looks like my nights will be filled with studying and practicing…and not much social media if any…


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    Jay says:

    Genetic study of sockeye salmon in B.C. river suggests 75% decline since 1913

    Researchers look back more than 100 years using DNA from Skeena River salmon

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Damn you are fucking easy.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    75% decline

    They’ve been decimated!

    @Ruckus: don’t you know it, sailor!

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    Repatriated says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Hey, he has to recoup the losses from the tax cut — and a bigly real-estate deal just might do the trick!

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Hmm. Overfishing, effects of climate change, pollution, or all of em’ Katie? (I tend to go with D.) all of the above

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    Dan B says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Lichtenstein?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    That sounds exactly like what actually happened and makes about as much sense as anything else about trump. He’s not any brighter than any of his followers/supporters.
    Is it possible that this entire four years of trump is president, is an SNL skit gone terribly wrong, because we all believed it? It has all the right concepts, the lead is stupidly asinine and asininely stupid, doesn’t do any of the actual job, tweets from the toilet, remains in character by lying, stealing, cheating, acting massively racist, misogynistic and narcissistic, at the minimum.

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    Jay says:

    This is ugly. pic.twitter.com/D2E8Ld22yA— Matt Rogers 🎙 (@Politidope) August 20, 2019

    Brutal poll results.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Not sure but I don’t think it was a complement.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dan B: off my corner, ho

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    Dan B says:

    @Jeffro: Heartened to hear that a Greenland acquisition is reasonable, TOTALLY LITERALLY reasonable! Really..

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Will do = D

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    cokane says:

    i dont think this is evidence he’s losing it at all. this is the bullshit spectacle that he loves putting out there

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @lamh36: Would you consider getting a tutor — if your college has a tutoring center, that’s one option, or finding an advanced student and paying out of pocket. Just to help you get over the initial hump.

    In any case, good luck, we are all rooting for you.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: What kind of a pipecleaner do you need for Limberger? Robotic rats?

    Maybe mechanical mice…

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Jay: Brutal? i say Beatiful!

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    Dan B says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Squid for breakfast with smoked limberger, positively cosmopolitan!

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    I haven’t seen the year by year breakdowns yet, but the commercial industry was basically “take as much as you can” then with clearcut logging and unregulated log drives until the major collapse in the 70’s.

    I’m gonna go with overfishing and logging for now, with non-recovery post 70’s due to all the above factors, loss of genetic diversity and changing conditions due to a bunch of factors, from fish farms, to global warming.

    I know that for all the Fraser River salmon runs, the collapse came in 1923 and they have never recovered. There’s a 157 salmon rivers and streams in the Thompson River drainage. Only one has healthy runs, every other year. 42 have salmon runs, 113 the runs are functionally extinct.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @dmsilev: tax on Lego – trump will lose the next generation.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    Found the paper for that. Long, on a skim looks interesting.
    Genetics of century‐old fish scales reveal population patterns of decline (Michael H.H. Price, 20 August 2019, open access html)

    We applied genetic tools to a unique collection of 100‐year‐old salmon scales to reveal declines of 56%–99% in wild sockeye populations across Canada’s second largest salmon watershed, the Skeena River.

    Populations of larger‐bodied fish have declined the most in abundance, likely because of size‐selective commercial fisheries.

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    Uncle Omar says:

    @NotMax: #66 Hell, Lakrids can’t ship to the US already. Somehow Trump put a kibosh on them a couple of years ago. Bastard.

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    jl says:

    If the Trumpsters are as innovative as they think they are, why not try for a Greenland timeshare? They could fly the Danes into a New Jersey Day’s Inn, treat them to a breakfast buffet (on Day’s Inn dime, if boiled eggs, oatmeal, and raisin bagels are good enough), make the pitch. Maybe have a ringer there, pretending to offer Lichtenstein.

    That doesn’t work, see if Norway interested in unloading Svalbard. If Trump wants a little country, where there’s a will, there’s a way. All you need is focus.

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    Jay says:

    this is a novel approach: “these journalists and scholars didn’t write about the parts of black history that make me feel good” https://t.co/bFRuFAAn9i— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) August 21, 2019

    FTFNYT with a rusty shovel,

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    zhena gogolia says:


    What are you talking about? It was the New York Times that published the 1619 project. The tweet is responding to the National Review.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @cynthia ackerman:

    I just like to hear Humphrey Bogart say “The mess boys ate the strawberries.”

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @zzyzx: The Haman thingy? Being somewhat unfamiliar with the story of Esther, I had to question our young Jewish guest tonight about this. He explained the reference to me, and then gave our visiting grandchildren (ages 10 and 11) a lesson in how to read Hebrew. He’s one of the 5 young people we’ve had staying with us as campaign workers for the the Iowa caucuses. It’s been a great experience – I recommend it to any who can do so.

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    Jay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I stand Corrected.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Dan B:

    Trump rage tweets at Denmark. At Denmark?!? Is there a more benign country?

    Someone gave him an intelligence briefing that something is rotten in Denmark. That the intelligence briefing was cribbed off of Shakespeare is of no concern.

    Just wait until Trump wants his pound of flesh from Venice … then the shit will hit the fan.

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    ola azul says:


    Not sure but I don’t think it was a complement.

    Compliments is uncomplementary. Unless, a-course, the complement is complimentary.

    (Will say, separate n apart from my silly comment to you, Ruckus: Don’t give a shit about folks’ spelling rigor-mortis pedantry, just find peeps reax to the phenomenon both ridiculous and sad, inna fulsome complement of uncomplimentary.)

    ‘Minds me of a saying I heard once ’bout campus politics: The small-minded attacks is so vicious cuz the stakes is so small.

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    jl says:

    @zhena gogolia: I’m not sure why the NYT get the FTF treatment from comenter Jay either. The NR piece mentioned some notable figures. Celebrating African-American soldiers who fought for the country since the Revolutionary War is inspiring. But odd that the NR writer thought that provided a contrast to his idea of the flawed focus of the NYT 1619 project.

    I don’t know about earlier periods, but in 20th Century, returning black veterans who had fought in battle, or even had gained discipline and some success in the military during war time, were seen as a threat to racist whites. After WWI, this has been cited as one reason for horrific ‘race riots’ (really, US versions of pogroms) that wiped out prosperous black business communities. And the outrage of black veterans returning from WWII being beaten as soon as they arrived was one reason Truman ordered integration of the military. Not quite the stark contrast the NR guy had in mind.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Thank you. That’s awful! It’s so sad that all of this started years ago when we were so ignorant. It seems humanity never plans ahead or tries mitigate the possible or foreseeable consequences of our actions until it’s too late.

    For example, we’ve known automation has been coming for a while. We should’ve been planning for and anticipating for it 30 years ago

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: @Jay: This is the true test of the crazification factor. That’s because Dementia Donny is crazy.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Whaaaattt! You spect me to jes flounce offa wit jes ur little threat? Don count on it gurl!!!

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    Jay says:

    Anne Frank did not die from gas chambers. She died from typhus, contracted in the overcrowded Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. The denial of flu vaccines will kill immigrants, especially the most vulnerable- children, the elderly, the immunocompromised. https://t.co/wp8sfyBj4A— ✡️ Never Again Action ✡️ (@NeverAgainActn) August 20, 2019

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    ola azul says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Harumph-Harumphry: “Straw-breze.”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve been trying to answer the musical question, “whatever happened to the Housemartins?”

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    SRW1 says:

    Would Deutsche Bank even be in a position to extend another loan to Trump? I hear they are in deep doo-doo themselves!

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    laura says:

    Has new American Citizen Ruemara checked in since the swearing in?
    I’m hoping delicious cake was involved.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Okay, this is fun: Senator Professor Warren has a Doppelgänger. The resemblance at first glance is really quite startling.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Yes, in one of the downstairs threads. She didn’t mention cake, so we jackals will have to supply it. Labour of love, that’ll be.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dan B: don’t make me pull out chore weave

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    If his officers cared a fig about his dignity, he never would have had to measure out all those …

    Part of the problem is that Bogart did such a great job. As they say, he stole every scene. And well he should. But it’s a shame that the enduring icon of the story/film is his oddness, not the Lord of the Flies baseness of his officers.

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    Dan B says:

    @The Dangerman: What’s amatter with Denmark? I can’t find anything on the intertubes. Is it spreading?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @laura: she posted a pic of herself in her new MAGA hat. It was inspiring.

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    In many, many cases, we were not ignorant, we were greedy, refused to listen, refused to enquire.

    There was always another forest, fishery, technology just over the horizon. No biggie if “we” left dead zones behind.

    Up near Ross Moore, I drive through a standing dead forest, that was a tree plantation. They clear cut the origional 200 year old forest, stuck saplings in the ground a year later, which grew for the next 5 wet years we had, but with no roots, no shade, no groundcover, with herbicides sprayed to keep “the weeds” down, ( ground cover), they died standing in the next drought cycle, one by one over the years.

    It’s never been replanted because that Corporation doesn’t exist any more, and the Corporate welfare that was the slashing of stumpage rates, has left the Ministry of Forests no money to replant.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    They made her watch a video of Trump, and made her listen to Lee Greenwood. What a country.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: @Dan B: Hit him with a writ.

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    Dan B says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Sooo skert!! 0

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Plausible theory. Obama was on his bubbling brain today

    David Frum @ davidfrum
    22m22 minutes ago
    This isn’t about Greenland. Obama scheduled to visit Denmark 9/28. Trump was scared of the likely contrast to his state visit on 9/2-3.
    In his self-loathing heart, Trump knows Obama is bigger than he is, around the world as well as in the United States. That knowledge tortures Trump, never allows him a minute’s respite

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: There is a woman at my gym who looks so much like Elizabeth Warren it’s startling. The only difference is her hair style–color is the same. I do a double take every time I see her.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    And on that note, I should hit the rack. Slept only three hours last night and I have to drop the hammer on some teamsters tomorrow morning. Hope I dream of furries all night!

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    chopper says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    man, that matlock guy had the best theme song.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:


    Would Deutsche Bank even be in a position to extend another loan to Trump?

    Trump has his own bank now. It’s called the US Government.

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    SRW1 says:


    Does she get asked to sign autographs on sweaty T-shirts?

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    ola azul says:


    I stand Corrected.

    Odds are, you sit corrected. Just so long’s you don’t lie corrected, no explanation necessary.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Oh God damn! Cubs won tonight, but bring on the meteor! Sweet Meteor O’Death

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @cynthia ackerman:

    If his officers cared a fig about his dignity, he never would have had to measure out all those …

    Queeg was a remarkably shitty commander. And a bad commander can easily turn his subordinates into bad sailors/soldiers/junior officers which is exactly what Queeg did. Christ, I could live blog the movie and point out a leadership mistake every 30 seconds.

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    Jay says:

    The idea that Jews are disloyal and trying to undermine our country from the left has been the animating force behind the deadly, antisemitic violence we've seen under the Trump administration.This rhetoric from the president is going to get Jews killed. It already has. https://t.co/nWSAD6ZUtU— IfNotNow🔥 (@IfNotNowOrg) August 20, 2019

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @ola azul: It’s possible that Jay smacks you corrected. 😁 Just so you’re prepared.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SRW1: Not that I’ve seen. I really want to ask her if people tell her she looks like Elizabeth Warren but I haven’t got the nerve to do it. We’ve exchanged pleasantries once or twice. She seems nice but I don’t want to get into politics at the gym. Too stressful.

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    Jay says:

    “At least twenty-six people have died in ICE custody since Trump took office, and tens of thousands have suffered as a result of the federal government’s abject failure to provide basic medical care.” https://t.co/L1SlTQU3QY— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) August 21, 2019

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    Jay says:

    A central tenant of Flores is that children cannot be detained for more than 20 days. Some of my earliest reporting at Rewire was covering a hunger strike by mothers in Berks who'd been detained with their children for almost A YEAR. https://t.co/gOZuDWjL03— Tina Vasquez (@TheTinaVasquez) August 21, 2019

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    Yarrow says:

    The best people.

    Our Ambassador to Denmark is a grad of Life Chiropractic College & an actress “best known for her work in Deathstalker & the Warriors from Hell” as Wiki painfully notes.

    So Trump trying to buy Greenland may not make him the most ridiculous American Denmark has encountered. https://t.co/K7qj1fUNr0
    — stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) August 21, 2019

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Jay: Sweet Meteor needs to primary Dump. It can promise it won’t kill white trash on impact (lie).

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yarrow: There’s always this guy.

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    Jay says:

    Also at Berks, I've covered parents and children being put in solitary confinement together, in one case for weeks: https://t.co/pIOxQI3Fwj— Tina Vasquez (@TheTinaVasquez) August 21, 2019

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Is that a “humorous” conservative Twitter critter? If so, as usual, it is not funny. Cons don’t do funny. They only do mean and sarcastic.

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    Jay says:

    As we face a global resurgence of far-right extremism & a governmental response that is neutered at best, those who are committed to combating the threat should look to those who’ve been in the fight the longest. You know them as antifa.My latest: https://t.co/EuqgZeoim1— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) August 21, 2019

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    BigJimSlade says:

    Maybe he could offer California and Massachusetts for Greenland. I live in one and have a bunch of the friends in the other (so I wouldn’t need to leave the country to visit my friends), I think we could live with the trade.

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    ola azul says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Live-blogging the incessant shit-show of the Trump presidency made any thought of live-blogging the abject failures of any other endeavor seem … what was the Bush-era saying? … quaint.

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    frosty says:

    @lamh36: Accounting. Blech. I’m an engineering project manager which means I schedule staff on my projects, QC their work, do some of the technical work myself, and manage the budget and schedule. My usual complaint when accountants and supervisors ask about my budgets and overruns:

    “I’m an engineer, I’m good with numbers … until you put a dollar sign in front of them!!!!”

    ETA: I look forward to your GIFs, always on the money (eek, there’s the $$ again!)

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    Jay says:

    JUST IN: Second Democrat representing Trump district backs impeachment https://t.co/0VllaGyJZY pic.twitter.com/g5u9iCVdDH— The Hill (@thehill) August 20, 2019

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    Chetan Murthy says:


    Maybe he could offer California and Massachusetts for Greenland.

    Yabbut if he did that, how many other Blue States would line up and demand to be traded also? Equal Dignitude of the States [(c) Chief Justice John “Trump-Felcher” Roberts] and all, donchyano? He’d be left with the shithole states and not much else.

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    cynthia ackerman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Agreed, Queeg is a disaster. But the point of the story is that he asked for help and his officers let him twist n the wind because that’s what they liked.

    They had the opportunity to salvage his dignity but they chose to torpedo him.

    ETA — my point isn’t that Queeg is a hero, it’s that his officers are unrecognized dicks.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @zhena gogolia: That summer I told a friend that 1) the bastard just might get elected; 2) the GOP think they can control him like GWB, but they can’t; and 3) she’d be longing for a bottom only to find a new low quite regularly. Since then I’ve been disappointed (by the election result), angered, exasperated, disgusted, vibrating with contempt, and lots of bannable things, but I have not been surprised.

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    NotMax says:


    put in solitary confinement together

    Gotta be a dozen better ways to word that.

    Just sayin’.

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    Mary G says:

    This guy is just nuts:

    NEW: Senior Trump officials had discussed offering Denmark a deal where the U.S. would take over its annual $600 million subsidy to Greenland, plus a large one-time payment to incentivize the transfer, @damianpaletta reports: https://t.co/sey61Fx4Ql with @agearan— Felicia Sonmez (@feliciasonmez) August 21, 2019

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    NotMax says:

    @cynthia ackerman

    As in other cases, the legend has superseded the plot.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mary G:

    When Bobby Kennedy and Dr King were assassinated, in the 70s—in the late 70s.

    Here’s the video, and it’s not pretty:


    No worse than umpteen other recent gaffes of his I suppose, but the giant elephant in the room is that while everyone giggles about Trump it’s crystal clear that Biden is not all there either.

    How many times does Biden have to “misspeak” before it becomes apparent that the Democrats potentially have a huge problem on their hands: he’ll get the nomination and Trump will squash “crazy Joe” like a bug.

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    Jay says:

    Two more people associated with the National Rifle Association have resigned. Country music singer and NRA board member Craig Morgan. David Lehman, the deputy executive director and general counsel at the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, is leaving the organization.— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) August 20, 2019

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @cynthia ackerman: Actually, asking for help like that was one of his worst blunders. He told them that he could not function. Now, I will agree that the XO should have jumped on MacMurray’s character with both feet the moment he started his little campaign. Queeg was in over his head, the XO was weak, and MacMurray was poison. What happened was more or less inevitable.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @West of the Rockies: Not sure. It’s a meteor.

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    Jay says:


    Solitary Confinement in the US is a type of prison cell, small, cramped, no windows, no bars, just a steel door with sliding slots, often soundproofed. One mattress, one toilet/sink. People often spend their entire day lying on the bare concrete just hoping to see the shadow in the light crack under the door as a foot passes, in the hope that there are other people out there. The protocols for “dealing” with those confined, are meals through the slot, a routine of checking to see if they are still alive, an absolute minimum of verbal contact.

    The “record” for the number of people confined to a Solitary Confinement cell in the US, is 9. 8 died from heatstroke over 5 days.

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    frosty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: OMG what a great song, I’d forgotten all about it. Where are the jangly guitars and harmonies these days? And like one of the commenters said: “12-string solo!”

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    Jay says:


    It’s no Greenland. Don’t worry about Joe, campaign/donate/vote for your favorites. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, and we are at mile 4.

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    ola azul says:

    @cynthia ackerman:

    ETA — my point isn’t that Queeg is a hero, it’s that his officers are unrecognized dicks.


    Will say: I admire your dogged tenacity, even if in vain, to advance an unappreciated point and compel acknowledgement of same.

    Piggybacking offa your point, may I add another?

    I submit that Tom Sawyer, in the novel Huckleberry Finn, is one of the great unacknowledged monsters in literature. He ain’t the impish lovable rogue of his eponymous novel; in HF, Tom Sawyer is an active agent of minstrel repression and selfish menace. Tom Sawyer is the consummate douchebro asshole.


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    Jay says:

    The Epoch Times is sometimes the most-viewed news creator on all of Facebook, Youtube and Twitter.In April, it outranked ANY other news outlet in video views.It's run by people who “believe that Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the Communist Party”https://t.co/nWKCl9Suie pic.twitter.com/lFhKSu9at1— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) August 20, 2019

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @frosty: possibly my favorite ‘80’s song!

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    NotMax says:


    Segment on today’s Maddow program about them.

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    Jay says:

    Ummm… "Russia told an international organization set up to verify a ban on nuclear tests that a military testing accident in northern Russia earlier this month was none of its business and that handing it radiation data was entirely voluntary." https://t.co/c1GaZ6T0zY— Mark MacKinnon (@markmackinnon) August 20, 2019

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    zzyzx says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton: yep. The whole Purim story started because Haman demanded that everyone bow down before him.

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    Mandalay says:


    It’s a marathon, not a sprint

    OK. I like the cut of your jib. You are BJ’s most Panglossian poster for 2020.

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    frosty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Gotta be Bangles for me. Or maybe Blondie (saw them in June in the theater where I took my dates to the movies). But this one is pretty great.

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    Spc says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: makes one wonder then if all of this was created to find an out.

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    Msb says:

    Trump asked for a state visit, so the Queen (Margrethe II) invited him and spouse. Official Denmark has been scurrying around preparing (and unofficial Denmark has already imported the trump baby balloon and planned a huge demo), and the the lout cancels by tweet! Danish politicians are already calling it both rude and insane and the palace has said “This is a surprise — we have nothing further to say at present.” Typical, that the Queen has better manners than Putin’s Puppet.

    Former US ambassador Rufus Gifford tweeted the following: mobile.twitter.com/…

    read the replies. Trump is a joke, but not a funny one to Americans in Denmark.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    Your POTUS has also been beating the “Denmark is not paying us enough for NATO membership, the freeloading parasites!” drum. So how much does the US pay for ground-rent on the Thule Base complex? That would be the amount formerly known as “Two-thirds of sweet-feck-all”.
    Feckin freeloading parasites.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    I repeat what I’ve said before. Nations selling inhabited land to other nations is not something you can do in democracies today. Greenland is an autonomous area of the Kingdom of Denmark. It’s inhabitants get to vote for a government so they are the people who get the say in who has sovereignty over them.

    Denmark cannot sell Greenland anymore than the USA can sell Alaska. If either nation were minded to even consider off loading parts of their territory, it could only be done after a plebiscite showing a significant majority of people supported the change in sovereignty.

    There is no more support in Greenland for becoming part of the USA than there is in the Falklands for becoming part of Argentina

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    Gvg says:

    I came up with another theory of why Trump is talking about buying Denmark.
    His polls show him losing support. He thinks like a TV star or wrestling character. He needs a surprise twist plot device to regain audience share and ensure his show is renewed. He really thinks things are that simular and that reality is as simple as ratings. Bizarre plot twists often play well on TV, at least as far as ratings go.
    I also thinks he loves the things about being President that resemble being a big star. He likes the attention, and having royalty meet him. He just ignores the work and doesn’t understand the significance of anything. He really can’t take in that he won’t be re-elected.

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    Chris Johnson says:


    The US buying buying Greenland makes a weird kind of sense when viewed in the context of a near-future US & Russia alliance against the entire rest of the world, particularly Europe and China.

    That said, such an alliance would benefit Russia far more than it could possibly benefit the US. Which raises the question, “WTF!?”

    Exactly. I don’t know how much more obvious it could be… other than to say, it’s also a distraction from the ongoing process of revealing that nearly all the top Republican leadership are in fact traitors working in fear of, and knowingly to the advantage of, Russia and Putin.

    I don’t know how much more obvious it could be.

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    catclub says:

    @Gvg: That poll showing 60+% against re-election in PA, WIS and Mich was sweet.

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