Thursday Morning Open Thread: Enjoying Summer to the Full

Looks like a photoshopped backdrop, doesn’t it? But from what I’ve seen of that area, it actually is that pretty, at least in the summer and fall. My favorite Senator has lived in New England long enough to know that she might as well do some campaigning outside of arenas and auditoriums while she can…

Four years ago, New Hampshire voters put Sanders on the national map and catapulted him into a heated primary contest against the establishment favorite, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Now the senator has to repeat his strong performance in the first-in-the-nation primary, eight days after the Iowa caucuses, if he has any chance of making it to the convention next summer.

Unlike in 2016, however, Sanders is facing several well-funded opponents who are battling with him for front-runner status in the early nominating states ― some of whom are running for president for the first time. (Former Vice President Joe Biden is currently leading the polls.) The progressive firebrand who took the left by storm several years ago still has his loyal supporters, of course, but he no longer has the “it” factor of four years ago. He’s still railing against the political establishment and the “corporate media,” but his radical ideas on job security, health care and education don’t seem so radical anymore, at least among a significant chunk of the Democratic Party ― something he acknowledged this week on the campaign trail…

 
Speaking of taking advantage of the summer recess, props to Nancy Smash…






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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    cmorenc says:

    I love that the name #MoscowMitch seems to be sticking to #MoscowMitch.

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    cmorenc says:

    I love that the name #MoscowMitch seems to be sticking to #MoscowMitch.

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    raven says:

    @cmorenc: Is there an echo in here?

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    cmorenc says:

    Wow, the name is so potent it echoes, even when you only try to say it once.

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    raven says:

    @cmorenc: Amazaballs!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Lizzie Warren took an ax
    And gave Wilmer forty whacks,
    And when she saw what she had done,
    She gave Rose Twitter forty-one.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Sam Seder doxxed the Hoarse Whisperer guy on Twitter because of butt-hurt over criticism of Sanders. It’s a cult.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    We’ve got nice weather slotted for today, 84 and low humidity. Gonna enjoy it because a typical Ozark summer returns with thunderstorms tonight and tomorrow clearing the air for the heat and humidity this wkend.

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    oatler. says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: You make me nostalgic for Elizabeth Montgomery

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Thought we saw an injured bald eagle on the St. Croix River tonight. He wasn’t injured #wow

    That bird’s eyes are definitely bigger than his stomach.

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    Raven says:

    In the summer of 70 I hitched from Illinois to NYC, saw the Allman Brothers, hitched up to Boston and saw them again on the Commons. I then meandered up to the Green Mountains camping and hiking up near the Franconia Notch. Awesome

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    NotMax says:

    Anyone have any experience with ‘supposed to match car make’ Dupli-Color touch-up spray paint from the auto supply store?

    May have to use that to accomplish a favor to someone (not my car). Subaru silver – already informed the owner the end result will not be a 100% professional looking job and she’s okay with that. Will check at Subaru dealer first but if the past is any guide they won’t keep anything in stock other than the touch-up pens, which won’t do for this minor but more than small chips/scratch job.

    It’s on the front bumper, which I believe is fiberglass, not metal. Expect will have to apply clear coat as a final step as well.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: It would be just ok.

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    NotMax says:

    @raven

    Was thinking maybe could get by with the touch-up pens if I use a piece of cardboard as a palette to deposit a small puddle of paint on and then a foam brush to apply that to the bumper. Stupid idea?

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    WereBear says:

    Looks like a photoshopped backdrop, doesn’t it? But from what I’ve seen of that area, it actually is that pretty, at least in the summer and fall.

    As a NYer, I have to point out that our mountains are prettier than New Hampshire’s! But yes, it’s gorgeous.

    I am very pleased by Senator Warren’s campaign: she’s my front-runner, though Harris is a close second. But what Republicans are trying not to think about is that they have shoved enough people into agonising difficulties that I think people want change.

    COUNT EVERY VOTE.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: I think spray would be better. Is the bumper fiberglass plastic? Bumper covers are usually the latter and the paint may be different.

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    NotMax says:

    @raven

    Not sure. It’s a 2011 Forester.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: I’m pretty sure it is plastic.

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    raven says:

    So the Phiily guy is black, shot 6 cops and they didn’t kill him. Doesn’t fit our narrative does it?

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    Gvg says:

    @NotMax: spray a small piece of cardboard, let it dry, then compare to the car. See how it matches.
    I think the duplicolor is trying to match thousands of cars, all makes, many years, and they are pretty good overall, on average, but what that means, is most match, and a few are a bit off. So, you want to check how they did before you touch the car. It also benefits you to practice just a bit and see how you want to spray.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @raven: @NotMax: I would be very surprised if it wasn’t plastic.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @raven:

    “Look! Look! Sometimes the cops don’t kill ni**ers! Apologize to them!”

    Seriously?

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That was quite the catch.

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    Gvg says:

    @raven: I think the quality of the boss cop at the top matters a lot. Racism infects a lot though, but cop respect my authority mindset also impacts white suspects life prospects which is a reason why comfortable whites should not ignore police shootings.
    The leopard can eat your face too, in other words. We all need good police departments, and are harmed by bad ones.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    People who trust Bernie Bros deserve a hell where the tale of the scorpion and the frog is repeated over and over again.

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    Baud says:

    @raven:

    Our narrative is based on propensities, not absolutes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @raven: No it doesn’t. But this one does: Los Angeles officers shot Ryan Twyman 34 times. He was one of four they killed that day

    It was 7.30pm on 6 June when two LASD deputies drove up to the apartment complex in Willowbrook in south LA, a mile-and-a-half from Twyman’s home in Compton. It was still light out when two deputies got out of the car, with guns pointed at a parked Kia, according to surveillance footage released by the department, which did not include audio.

    As the men approached on either side of the vehicle and opened one of the doors, the car appeared to reverse. Both deputies opened fire and continued shooting from a distance as the car rolled. One deputy returned to his vehicle, opened the trunk, grabbed a larger rifle – and continued shooting at the unmoving car in the distance.

    Within roughly 30 seconds, the men had fired a total of about 34 rounds at Twyman in the driver’s seat, and a 22-year-old man in the passenger seat.
    ………………………………………..
    After the deputies finished shooting, they found no weapons in his car.

    And then there is this:

    Charles, Ryan’s father, said it was obvious that deadly force was unnecessary. He noted that days after his son was killed, LA police ended up on a high-speed chase with an armed man who was waving his handgun at the window. The incident ended after a long standoff and negotiations, and the man, who appeared to be white, was taken into custody without being harmed.

    Following that link I got this:

    WOODLAND HILLS (CBSLA) — A Tuesday morning standoff involving a suspect who led police on a pursuit before crashing his car into a Woodland Hills bank ended peacefully.

    Police say crisis negotiators and the man’s daughter talked him into surrendering just before 4 a.m. after the wild chase that started in Reseda ended with a crash into a Chase bank in Woodland Hills, where he threatened to pour gasoline. The man was taken to a hospital for treatment of injuries he sustained when he crashed into the bank.

    Officers began chasing after the man after they say saw him doing donuts and driving recklessly in a black BMW SUV. At one point, a CHP vehicle attempted to stop the suspect with a PIT maneuver, but the BMW sped off.

    “During the pursuit, several times, he had pointed a handgun out of the vehicle as well. He never fired at the officers, but they clearly saw that he was armed,” Los Angeles police Detective Meghan Aguilar said. “Rather than approach that vehicle, the decision was made to call our special weapons and tactics, our SWAT team, and they came out here and negotiated with this individual.”

    I tried to google for follow up stories to confirm that this idiot was indeed white, but the whole incident seems to have disappeared into the ether because apparently it’s not news if nobody gets killed. Maybe somebody with better google-fu than I can find something.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    According to WaPo, Hickenlooper is going to quit the presidential race and run against Gardner for the Senate seat. Good move, if true!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: That was a biiiig northern.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Seeing as I was going to post on the Ryan Twyman story anyway, just want to add this quote from the end of the article:

    Tommy has an alarm set on her phone that goes off every day at 8pm. It was her reminder to call her son to make sure he had taken his seizure medication. But they also both loved their daily catch-ups on the phone, she said, which sometimes would last an hour.

    “If anyone knows Ryan Twyman, they know what 8 o’clock means,” she said, with a smile.

    Tommy always worried about losing her son as he got older, afraid they wouldn’t be as close after he moved out of the house, she recalled: “When he turned 21, I told him, ‘I don’t know how to let you go,’ and he told me, ‘You don’t have to let me go. I’m gonna always be your baby.’”

    Since his death, she said, she can’t bear to turn off her 8pm alarm.

    I know the feeling. I still have my parents home phone # on my cell phone, and that house has been gone since Ma died 13 years ago. Erasing it would feel like erasing them. Stupid, I know, but there it is.

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    Baud says:

    New Hampshire voters put Sanders on the national map and catapulted him into a heated primary contest against the establishment favorite,

    Reporters who refer the the “establishment” should be read suspiciously.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m not so sentimental but I appreciate the feeling.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker: @Baud: Hickenlooper will probaly win it in a walk, which is fine, but there are a couple of more progressive Dems running in that primary already who – given CO these days – would probably also win.

    Ah well, bigger things to worry about, I suppose (said the VA resident, who in the end just wants a Dem Senate ;)

    I hope they keep calling Moscow Mitch “Moscow Mitch” to his face from now until the end of time. He thought he was going to avoid Shit Midas’ touch and just keep on benefitting from these Russian contracts/connections while destroying our democracy. Oopsie

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    Jeffro says:

    On a side note, if done properly, there will (obviously) be enough ‘material’ to investigate/publicly air/indict/try/convict once trumpov and Co leave office that the next Dem admin could conceivably coast through four years with alternating messages of “look what we’ve restored!” And “look who we convicted!”.

    Let’s see…4 years x 52 weeks = 208 separate weekly messages, consisting of 104 “restoration of democracy/norms/rule of law” and 104 corruption/conspiracy convictions. That sounds about right.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😊

    @Gvg: very much this. And I suspect that was what raven was trying to subtly point out.

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    Baud says:

    @Jeffro:

    I pointed that out several months ago when the narrative was taking hold that the Dems were betraying us by not running these people for the Senate. I assume a new narrative will soon take hold that the Dems are betraying us by running moderates to keep progressives down.

    ETA: I expect The Intercept will be on it soon.

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    SFAW says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Stupid, I know,

    No, not really. Nothing wrong with maintaining a connection, however tenuous, to those you love(d).

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: In general, I’m not either, “It’s over, move on.” It’s funny the things we get hung up on.

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    rikyrah says:

    Thread 😠😠😠

    Ijeoma Oluo (@IjeomaOluo) Tweeted:
    I just got a phone call from the King County Sheriff’s Office saying that there was a report of gunshots at my home.

    My older son is there alone. I called him and woke him up. There were no gunshots.

    These hateful white supremacists are trying to get my family killed. https://twitter.com/IjeomaOluo/status/1161628201329856512?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Wow. Smart of her to reach out beforehand. And kudos to the police in their level headedness. Not something you see enough of these days.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I had kept a couple of my mother’s voicemails after she died, but lost them when I moved from Michigan and cancelled that phone number. I’m still a little sad about that.

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    Raven says:

    @Chyron HR: yea, that’s what I said isn’t it? The comments last night were fucking stupid.

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    SFAW says:

    @Jeffro:

    Josh’s “MoscowMitch” tweet was nicely done. Considering yesterday’s revelation re: the Russian payoff to KY after he blocked the sanctions bill (I think it was?), a normal politician would be getting nervous. But it’s Kentucky, and he runs Congress (more or less), so they’ll probably still vote for Traitor Turtle next November.

    [As far as the “runs Congress” comment: his ability to stop any/all legislation he doesn’t like (or that his paymasters don’t like) puts him in the driver’s seat. Speaker Pelosi can get whatever great legislation through the House, but if it never makes it to the Oval Office, or even to the Senate floor …]

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    Baud says:

    Expanding on those who may not support Democrats/her now, Warren says she wants to win them over now *and* after she is President:

    “We’re gonna pull a whole lot more of them in… once we make a first couple of those big changes.”

    I don’t blame Warren for this lie because every Dem needs to lie like this when asked, but it’s a lie. The reason it’s important to acknowledge that is because whatever Dem wins will be brought to task when they ultimately fail to win over those voters. We saw that with Obama too.

    To nitpick, I also wish she had pivoted a bit to talking about bringing in non-voters and people prevented from voting. (Maybe she did and the tweet doesn’t reflect that.)

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    Starfish says:

    @Betty Cracker: I got caught up in something tangentially related to that last night. I pointed out that HoarseWisperer had more Twitter followers than Sirota, and my little account of 500 or so followers had 177 abusive comments in under an hour. I asked someone who is more of a Bernie fan what was happening, and neither of us had any clue why someone had posted a sexy JetBlue airplane in the thread. The rate of comments I was getting, triggered Twitter’s abuse warning system. Twitter said, “It looks like you are getting a lot of notifications, do you want to disable some of them?” It was nuts.

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    SFAW says:

    @rikyrah:
    It’s probably uncharitable of me, and perhaps a tad aggressive, and I suspect not allowed under our current legal system, but I was wondering how quickly SWATting would end if they found the SWATter, dragged him into the middle of his street, and summarily executed him. I figure after about the tenth time, the message “Don’t fucking do that, you monsters” might sink in.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Betty Cracker: Hick already has several good D candidates to compete with. It is not a given he will win the D nomination.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    BTW, isn’t doxxing considered a pretty egregious act in internet circles? Like get fired from your journalism job and get ostracized egregious.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: I’ve thought about this a bit, because I’ve mentioned before my late father hated drawing his gun in situations. His opinion was the gun increased the chance that someone would get shot, and studies (allowed back then) bore that out. So he worked to apprehend suspects or head off conflicts without pulling his weapon, and took a lot of pride in that. I just wonder if he’d still have been able to in this era, when high powered weaponry is available to any nutter who can shove money over the counter at Wal-Mart. My dad could afford to gamble because most people weren’t armed, the cops of today go up against better guns than they carry. It should always be the goal to apprehend a suspect, not kill them; but it’s not the job my dad and my uncles used to do and unfettered gun access has made us all unsafe that way too, not just in mass shootings.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @satby: I always buy phones with a ton of storage because I want access to my entire playlist even if I’m out in the boonies. One side effect is I almost never erase text messages because I don’t run up against storage limits. When my mom died in 2014, I had several years of text conversations with her on my phone, which I downloaded. Every now and then, I read some of them, and it’s like I just talked to her again. I wish I could share them with my sister and brother, but Mom liked to rake their partners over the coals (she had her reasons!), so I can’t. :)

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    BTW, isn’t doxxing considered a pretty egregious act in internet circles? Like get fired from your journalism job and get ostracized egregious.

    IOKIYABB

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @SFAW:

    [As far as the “runs Congress” comment: his ability to stop any/all legislation he doesn’t like (or that his paymasters don’t like) puts him in the driver’s seat. Speaker Pelosi can get whatever great legislation through the House, but if it never makes it to the Oval Office, or even to the Senate floor …]

    Turn about is fair play, but he isn’t there for the purpose of legislating.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: it should be, but journalism is another thing we lost from way back. Seder will probably get a raise for his increased clickbaity profile.

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    Baud says:

    @SFAW:

    Probably true, but question was an honest one. I don’t know what the appropriate punishment is for doxxing. I would think it’s especially serious when a journalist does it because they’re supposed to be trusted to keep information confidential.

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    germy says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    According to WaPo, Hickenlooper is going to quit the presidential race and run against Gardner for the Senate seat. Good move, if true!

    But after hearing his opinions, I wonder if he’d vote with republicans most of the time as senator.

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    Baud says:

    @germy:

    No.

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    satby says:

    @Betty Cracker: that’s nice you still have that. My mom never learned to text. She refused a cell phone until she relented in her mid-seventies. I still have all the cards she sent though.

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    frosty says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @SFAW:

    Stupid, I know, but there it is.

    My mom, my in-laws, and my late sister-in-law are still in my contacts. It’s been years but I’m still not ready to delete them.

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    Starfish says:

    @Baud: The values around doxxing are shifting in strange ways. I have always been fairly strongly anti-doxxing.

    However, with a society that has decided that we do not need to ostracize Nazis, a lot of the work of some of the antifascist journalists and/or online researchers is to figure out who was posting to various Nazi communities with their .gov or .mil accounts and exposing their identities.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: they only keep Republicans confidential, like the ones saying Drumpf is insane.

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    Starfish says:

    @satby: Most people are still unarmed. The reason that we have more guns and people is that a lot of the people who have guns have a lot of guns.

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    Probably true, but question was an honest one.

    I didn’t think otherwise. The cynical part of me believes that, for whatever reason(s), the rules don’t always apply to fair-haired boys (so to speak). Whether it’s because one is a Rethug, or a Bernie Bro, or white, or whatever.
    [NB: I don’t actually know if Seder is a Bernie Bro, but I made that guess, since he’s a left-side guy.]

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Baud: It should be, IMO. To be clear, Seder didn’t directly publish HW’s real name, but he retweeted a Bernie enforcer’s screenshot of an online CV page with the name blanked out. So all you’d have to do to get the name would be a Google search of the text. The idiotic point they claim they were trying to make is that anyone who’s ever had any professional contact with big bad corporations is a neoliberal shill, etc.

    Neera Tanden remonstrated, and Seder pretended the above wasn’t doxxing. Then a million flying monkeys flung poo and whatabouts. The whole thing was really stupid (and par for the Twitter course). Tanden is on MSNBC sometimes too. I’m hoping she takes the issue up there.

    @Starfish: That’s insane. I fervently hope Sanders gets crushed in the early states, in part to hasten the demobilization of his toxic cult.

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: He’d probably be pretty reliably Dem. Given the way CO is trending, he could get himself primaried next time around if he strays too far from mainstream D positions.

    Again, we have bigger fish to fry and this would pretty much be a lock if Hick runs against Gardner, it’s just a missed opportunity to ‘upgrade’ to someone more progressive, younger, etc.

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    satby says:

    @Starfish: you would think that, but there are two or three open carrying assholes almost everywhere I go in this small blue city. It only takes one to go off.

    Edit: I know the statistics are less people own more guns. Statistics aren’t comforting when the gun humpers are walking around or working where you are.

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    Baud says:

    @Starfish:

    Interesting. But it’s going to be hard to draw the line at Nazis since conservatives use the Internet too.

    @satby:

    Don’t get me started on whistleblowers who trust The Intercept with their identities.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @germy: Calling himself a ‘militant moderate’ did not help him.

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    SFAW says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I fervently hope Sanders gets crushed in the early states, in part to hasten the demobilization of his toxic cult.

    Until now, I’ve always thought you to be pretty level-headed. [Or are you using “demobilization” as a proxy for “ratcheting up the crazy”?]

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @A Ghost To Most & @germy: I don’t know squat about CO politics, so I shouldn’t have assumed it would be a good thing if Hickenlooper entered the Senate race. I was buying the conventional wisdom that it would make the seat an easier pickup.

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    Baud says:

    @SFAW:

    I hear you. I feel it too.

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    Starfish says:

    @satby: Oh, yes. I sympathize. They came to town to march with their assault weapons after the city council passed an assault weapon ban. They go to the state capital annually to menace their congress critters. I like that more people are pointing out that it is implicitly threatening to open carry.

    The police do not want to deal with them either because they do not want to endanger themselves, but I think they could go and run all the plates and see if anyone has outstanding warrants, give them tickets, or tow their cars.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said the Hong Kong protests were an “internal matter,” echoing a talking point from China’s own government.

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    Starfish says:

    @Baud: Where do Nazis end and conservatives begin? It is a mystery.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @SFAW: Good point. I’ll rephrase: I look forward to the Bernie mob becoming freelance cranks again rather than being enrolled under the banner of an ongoing concern.

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    Starfish says:

    @Betty Cracker: Even though a lot of people doing on the ground activism in Colorado are women, the only people who are seen as worthwhile candidates for higher office are men. There are many candidates in that particular primary. Hickenlooper has more name recognition than all of them. Democratic Coloradans concerned about the power of oil and gas lobbyists in this state would be unhappy. Hickenlooper has sided with oil and gas against the health of the community and against environmental concerns.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Fish for days!

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    SFAW says:

    @Starfish:

    They go to the state capital annually to menace their congress critters. I like that more people are pointing out that it is implicitly threatening to open carry.

    I sometimes wonder what would happen in a “Stand Your Ground” state if Person A saw Person B open-carrying an AR-15 (or whatever), and Person A shot Person B because he/she felt threatened. [I’m betraying my significant ignorance re: how SYG laws work, of course.]

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    Tony Jay says:

    You would think that the sight and sound of Clown Prince Flobalob’s ‘Masquerade of Madness’ (better known as the Government of the UK) brazenly gloating about its intention to force a No-Deal disaster on the country should have inspired the brave-hearted Paladins of Remain to lay aside their petty temporal squabbles and unify behind the only credible plan to avert a catastrophic Brexit and enact legislation for a fresh Referendum that has staying in the EU as an option. You would think that, obviously, but you would, of course, be entirely wrong.

    Lo and behold, with their long quest almost at an end and the actual Grail plonked right there on the table before them, shimmering with divine promise and the enticing prospect of all their dreams and desires being enacted as Government policy before the last Autumn leaf has fallen, the very same people who have spent the last two years doing nothing but hang ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ flags from their balconies and pose for soft-focus photo-shoots with their friends in the ‘Liberal Media’, all the while carping non-stop at the actual Opposition for not being pure enough to demand the impossible with every meal, have responded to the Opposition’s call for a united front against No-Deal with… scorn and insults? WTF? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

    You’ve particularly got to love the latest goalpost shifting excuse from the Greens and the Welsh Nationalists. Oh we’d love to stop No-Deal, but really we can’t back you unless you somehow magically force a majority of the House to vote for a 2nd Referendum and deliver a Remain majority before calling a General Election. Soooo, no to a short-term unity Government that would exist solely to get an EU extension and call for a General Election, but yes to a much longer-term unity Government that would still be forbidden to legislate or call for votes on anything other than a new Referendum during the whole months long run up to a new vote? Seriously? That’s what passes for ‘common sense’ among the ‘Rather Blue than Red Brigade’?

    I guess it’s official now. For the Lib-Dems and their fellow travelers it was never about stopping Brexit, never mind stopping a No-Deal. It was and still is all about trying to pin the blame for Brexit on Labour’s current leadership and hive off enough low information voters to bulk up their own Parliamentary share under the next Tory Government. Truly, there is no limit to the hardness with which they can all go and pleasure themselves with whatever chipped and mud-stained garden implement comes to hand. Partisan scheming hypocrites the lot of them.

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    SFAW says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I look forward to the Bernie mob becoming freelance cranks again rather than being enrolled under the banner of an ongoing concern.

    Thanks for the clarification. Makes ’em easier to pick off, too. [Kidding!]

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    Tony Jay says:

    Why did that link not work? I used to be able to do that.

    Here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

    Oh, hang on. The entire comment got eated up by the spam-filter for some reason.

    Betty? Can you help?

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    JPL says:

    @Tony Jay: That sounds bad.

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    SFAW says:

    @Tony Jay:
    Do you Brits spell “clusterfuck” differently than ‘Muricans do? You spell all sorts of other words incorrectly, I was just wondering.

    ETA: To be clear, I’m not talking about the Boris Johnson/Nigel Farrage-approved Cyrillic spelling.

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    satby says:

    @Starfish: the police last night in Philly were attempting to serve a warrant. Six cops shot… And they got the suspect after a long stand off during which two cops were inside and it wasn’t fully known how they were. I give major props to the commanders there for keeping the lid on the entire situation. The pressure on them had to be enormous, especially if any more cops had been wounded or died.

    Just like with the military, they sign up to serve knowing one of the risks may be their own death, but we should try to reduce those risks as much as humanly possible. Those commanders in the scene did what they all should try to do.

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    Kay says:

    Ariel Edwards-Levy
    @aedwardslevy
    ·13h
    Also, take a look at net favorability for NRA. This is the first time they’ve been underwater.
    2000: +8
    2013: +12 to +23
    2017: +6
    2018: +4
    2019: -5
    Currently, 22% strongly favor NRA, 35% strongly oppose.

    It’s the Fox poll. I sometimes read Mom’s Demand and they follow this. It flipped to “underwater” after Parkland and the question was could the NRA recover. It’s only gotten worse.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @JPL:

    Totally. For some reason it didn’t like me adding the link via Edit. Tres bizarre.

    Never mind, I kept a copy.

    You would think that the sight and sound of Clown Prince Flobalob’s ‘Masquerade of Madness’ (better known as the Government of the UK) brazenly gloating about its intention to force a No-Deal disaster on the country should have inspired the brave-hearted Paladins of Remain to lay aside their petty temporal squabbles and unify behind the only credible plan to avert a catastrophic Brexit and enact legislation for a fresh Referendum that has staying in the EU as an option. You would think that, obviously, but you would, of course, be entirely wrong.

    Lo and behold, with their long quest almost at an end and the actual Grail plonked right there on the table before them, shimmering with divine promise and the enticing prospect of all their dreams and desires being enacted as Government policy before the last Autumn leaf has fallen, the very same people who have spent the last two years doing nothing but hang ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ flags from their balconies and pose for soft-focus photo-shoots with their friends in the ‘Liberal Media’, all the while carping non-stop at the actual Opposition for not being pure enough to demand the impossible with every meal, have responded to the Opposition’s call for a united front against No-Deal with… scorn and insults? WTF?

    You’ve particularly got to love the latest goalpost shifting excuse from the Greens and the Welsh Nationalists. Oh we’d love to stop No-Deal, but really we can’t back you unless you somehow magically force a majority of the House to vote for a 2nd Referendum and deliver a Remain majority before calling a General Election. Soooo, no to a short-term unity Government that would exist solely to get an EU extension and call for a General Election, but yes to a much longer-term unity Government that would still be forbidden to legislate or call for votes on anything other than a new Referendum during the whole months long run up to a new vote? Seriously? That’s what passes for ‘common sense’ among the ‘Rather Blue than Red Brigade’?

    I guess it’s official now. For the Lib-Dems and their fellow travelers it was never about stopping Brexit, never mind stopping a No-Deal. It was and still is all about trying to pin the blame for Brexit on Labour’s current leadership and hive off enough low information voters to bulk up their own Parliamentary share under the next Tory Government. Truly, there is no limit to the hardness with which they can all go and pleasure themselves with whatever chipped and mud-stained garden implement comes to hand. Partisan scheming hypocrites the lot of them.

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    germy says:

    Images of Beijing-backed forces brutalizing civilians speak for themselves. Millions of Hong Kongers protesting the Chinese Communist Party’s encroachment know the truth about exactly who is responsible for “inciting” chaos. The rest of the world knows too https://t.co/FGSPQtnnPE— Leader McConnell (@senatemajldr) August 14, 2019

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @SFAW:

    [I’m betraying my significant ignorance re: how SYG laws work, of course.]

    Oh that’s easy. If you kill the other guy, you are innocent.

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    germy says:

    The people of Hong Kong are bravely standing up to the Chinese Communist Party as Beijing tries to encroach on their autonomy and freedom. Any violent crackdown would be completely unacceptable. As I have said on the Senate floor: The world is watching. https://t.co/5VPm5P4PfB— Leader McConnell (@senatemajldr) August 12, 2019

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    Immanentize says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Or just practicing for our own future “internal matters.”

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    Tony Jay says:

    @SFAW:

    Quite often. Frex, ‘clusterfuck’ is usually spelled “Government policy”, just like “squash-faced bilgesack of a treasonous charlatan” is often written as “Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson”.

    I blame Shakespeare.

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby:
    Police are civilians.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud: There’s a reason why it’s referred to as The Putincept.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: I wonder how much of that negative rating is due to gun owners being pissed off at how they’ve been subsidizing LaPierre’s lavish life style.

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    satby says:

    @Tony Jay: Good clarification of how the “no confidence” vote works.
    Why is Corbyn so disliked, and how much power do the Lib Dems have to upend the effort?

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    Tony Jay says:

    @SFAW:

    Oh, it was a (semi) serious question?

    No, we spell clusterfuck the same way. It’s usually only words you forget to put the U in or ones you get the R and the E at the end the wrong way around that we differ on. Insults and suchlike, not so much.

    Except for ‘fuck-knuckle’. I don’t think you add the hyphen, do you?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Calling himself a ‘militant moderate’ did not help him.

    Is that like W’s ‘compassionate conservative’? Or as Robin Williams put it “a Volvo with a gun rack.”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: It really is an amazing collapse. And the scandals and resignations keep coming. They better hope a Democrat wins in 2020. The NRA can’t survive another Republican administration.

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    SFAW says:

    @Tony Jay:

    Ah, the old ” ‘Luxury Yacht’ or ‘Throat-Wobbler Mangrove’? ” dilemma.

    Thanks for Britsplainin’ for me.

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    Starfish says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: But you also have to have a lighter skin tone than the other guy.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: I guess MoscowMitch lost his talking points.

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    Starfish says:

    @Betty Cracker: I am going to go change my voter registration and vote for Bill Weld. 😂

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    While I’d give my left nut to have President Hillary right now, it’s amazing to contemplate how much rot would have stayed in the shadows had she won.

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: I know that. I was drawing a comparison to the fact that both jobs entail a risk of life. So does working on an oil rig or in a coal mine, but people never say “well that’s what they signed up for” when a coal miner is killed. I’ve heard it more than once about both cops and military… And as those have been jobs my family members have had it stings. We rightly have higher expectations of a trained service not to go off shooting anybody they feel threatens them.
    Expectations that maybe we ourselves couldn’t meet in the same circumstances.

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    SFAW says:

    @Tony Jay:

    Oh, it was a (semi) serious question?

    Hey, no need to insult me.

    Except for ‘fuck-knuckle’. I don’t think you add the hyphen, do you?

    Hmmm. That’s a tough one. I’d have to defer to Lee Papa on that one.

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    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I hope! I don’t care why- remove the NRA as a campaign group and this gets a lot easier. They were Trump’s single biggest supporter and IMO they’re the real reason it was so close between Gore and Bush. They’ve been giving us crap GOP Presidents for a long time.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Starfish: DOH! Yes, of course. The reason for my oversight was that he was speaking of 2 men armed with AR-15s meeting each other. What are the chances of an armed black man meeting a similarly armed white man (not a LEO) in a SYG situation?

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    They made an error getting so wingnutty. There used to be Dem pols who were NRA. Strickland in Ohio was one. They bet everything on the GOP and then they went one step further and bet everything on Donald Trump. The general idea is to get bigger, not smaller.

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    Starfish says:

    @satby: My feelings about this issue are complicated. I agree with what you are saying.

    I think that the police understand the danger of having the rest of society armed to the teeth and are usually for some type of reasonable gun control, red flag laws, etc. However, having police aligned that way, makes a subset of pro-gun people very paranoid because they have visions of an entire society being disarmed. The visions of a disarmed society just do not ring true with mass shootings every week though.

    I think that seeing all the videos of police abuse have made people calloused towards police. I usually try to point out to people that policing is local, and you have places where the police seem reasonable and places where they seem really bad. Also, some of the places where the police seem really bad are just really large places where they probably have really large police forces, and the chance of having a bad officer goes up when you have more officers.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    I hope!

    My Freude has been thoroughly Schadened by those events.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @satby:

    Why is Corbyn so disliked, and how much power do the Lib Dems have to upend the effort?

    Dear God, that’s a biiiiiiiig topic.

    Short version. Corbyn is an actual Democratic Socialist who has promised in office to roll back many of the monopoly privatizations of the past 40 years and transform Britain’s tax-system so the very rich pay their share for a change. That’s not popular with the Tories, or their former Coalition allies among the Lib-Dems, or the right-wing of the Parliamentary Labour Party. Destroying even the prospect of actual Socialism as a viable political ideology in Britain is something they can all agree on, hence the avalanche of smear and disinformation aimed his way by the bulk of the Media. That kind of constant hosing of shit can damage even the best reputation, just ask any Democratic Presidential candidate of the last few decades.

    The Lib-Dems have very little power but a megaphone provided by their friends in the Media. The fact that they have no plan to stop Brexit other than…. well…. they have no plan to stop Brexit, but a very clear and obvious plan to sabotage Labour and split the Party. Stamping their feet and demanding that Corbyn step down before they agree to work with Labour is a high-risk strategy that requires constant Media cover and the co-operation of anti-Corbyn factions in Labour. It’s worked for them so far, but with the actual moment of crisis fast approaching, it could (and should) blow up in their faces like an over-microwaved potato.

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: I agree with you about the nasty “that’s what they signed up for….”. Hell, everything Ozark has done for a living is more deadly than most professions. But the creeping acceptance that the police are military forces of occupation in enemy territory is a bad one (promoted most fervently by police unions).

    I wasn’t responding so much to your specific comment as offering a reminder that police are civilians. And I bet your Dad would not have had to draw his gun today, either, although many forces are trained to point and shoot at any threat until they run out of bullets. The training mantra is:
    Ask
    Demand
    Neutralize the threat.

    Those three steps can happen in seconds. It is not your father’s training world but the streets are actually a lot safer than when he was a policeman.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Starfish:

    Also, some of the places where the police seem really bad are just really large places where they probably have really large police forces, and the chance of having a bad officer goes up when you have more officers.

    We’ve all heard the analogy of “a bad apple in every barrel,” and it’s corollary of a “bad apple spreads the rot,” and time and again we’ve seen that it’s true. Once a culture of impunity takes hold, blatant corruption and abuse of power is sure to follow.

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    Another Scott says:

    @NotMax: In the late ’70s I used a few cans of that stuff for an attempted touch-up of my mom’s 1970 GTO. The cans weren’t exactly the same color (though they had the same number). :-/ That could be good or bad in your case, depending…

    Bumpers can be problematic. The top side can fade more than the rest because of sun exposure.

    You might want to take it to a body shop and see what they would charge to simply paint the whole bumper cover. (Or just call.) They can often (but not always) do a great job at matching the color to account for sun fading, and it might be less than you feared.

    My $0.02

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Starfish: 3% of Americans own half the guns (260M+ guns btw) in this country. About 20% own the other half, and the rest (77%) don’t own a gun.

    I wish Dems would talk more about those numbers – even just the “3% own half of our 260M guns” part. They are a WAY outsized voice in the gun violence debate.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    After the last mass shooting Ivanka was pretending to care about gun violence in Chicago, which as you know is a dumb Right wing theme- that Democrats exclude gun violence in cities. But that was never true for gun regulation activists. I went to a Kos forum in 2010 that was “mother’s of children killed by gun violence” and the majority were single shootings in urban areas. They were the FIRST mothers against guns, black women. The suburban mothers came later.

    Yesterday I read that Manchin is working on a gun reg deal and he doesn’t want Ivanka involved, because being an actual fucking Democrat he knows she’s the kiss of death.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: Lucy McBath is the epitome of such women.

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    @Kay: Manchin better keep his elbows sharp because Ivanka is good at horning her way into places she’s not wanted, from John McCain’s funeral to the G20. Where does she get the nerve?

    My writer group met last night. It was my turn to read. Today I have to pick over the bones of the chapter they ripped apart.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Kay:

    After the last mass shooting Ivanka was pretending to care about gun violence in Chicago

    More like using Chicago to demonize black people since she’s a racist who thinks only black people live within the city limits and all white people are in the suburbs.

    *checks address* Yup! Still a white guy living within Chicago’s borders!

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    satby says:

    @Starfish: @Immanentize: ahh, we all essentially agree. And yes, crime rates are down and the streets are safer generally.
    My original point was it went the way it was supposed to last night, the suspect was captured alive despite the fact that he had already shot six cops. That’s what’s supposed to happen.
    Just wanted to note how well those commanders and the force did, with a bit of admiration for how hard it must have been to uphold that professionalism and training as a shooter, who had already wounded six cops, was shooting at them. That’s what they’re supposed to do, but if another cop had been killed the recriminations would have been overwhelming and probably career killing. We expect the highest levels of human forbearance from cops and we should, but who would have had those commanders’ backs if the situation had gone horribly wrong? We would, but let’s not pretend the larger society would.

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    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Republicans believe black people don’t have actual political agency. They see them only as rank and file voters in the Democratic Party which is not true. It just isn’t true and it hasn’t been true my entire life. Media have adopted this belief, so you see ridiculous things like the NY Times going to Youngstown, ignoring the mayor and the city council, and heading out to interview the (white) COUNTY chair. They simply will not admit there is AA political power within the Democratic Party at the elected and appointed level. They could see it- they could go to Columbus or Cleveland and talk to AA electeds and D Party leaders, but they won’t. Because white people are the only people with political power, even when they’re not.

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    Kay says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I think Manchin is very good at politics. It’s a shame he’s so far Right because he could pull that state further Left. He’s good at his job. I’m always surprised when I listen to him because liberals hate him so much and he’s really very appealing as a pol.

    He could be in the Sherrod Brown genre. A stealth liberal- if he were a liberal, which he’s not :)

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    Chris Johnson says:

    As a former Bernie guy who gave hundreds of dollars and worked in New Hampshire for him (note: this is before a lot of sketchy events) I think I have some perspective on all this.

    I saw a bunch of people, some of whom I’ve known for decades, jumping in to support the guy on a local basis. Some of ’em really hated Clinton (for various reasons, in some cases over specifics I’d consider legitimate) and some were just excited by the message. At the time, there was nobody else carrying that message, much less hammering it repetitively and passionately. A huge part of that has to do with the mess of economic globalism, or what some folks call ‘late stage capitalism’, or post-80s capitalism, or Third Wayism and so on and so on. Point being, there was substantial real grassroots support.

    I think by the time I was involved, Putin was already sniffing out tactical things he could do with that. Putin’s real strength is in controlling bot armies and internet systems, so places like Twitter and Reddit and Facebook are easily controlled. They also affect the genuine people who were there first, and tilt ’em in the desired direction, which is part of the plan. I also think Tad Devine has been Moscow’s guy for a hell of a long time, though that’s just surmise: by the time I was involved, Putin already had people steering Bernie, and simultaneously had people steering places like this. It’s a two-pronged operation: on the one side, get Bernie or his people to do something. Stoke ’em up, get ’em paranoid, goad them to overstep or say something awful. Then on the other side, get someone over here or in the media or in the Clinton camp, and call their attention to the thing the other prong did. Then you go ‘you gonna let them get away with THAT?’

    The FBI know they were doing exactly this. Congress knows they were doing this. What makes it awkward to bring up is that Putin had people in ALL the camps, informally, though I do think guys like Devine weaseled into high positions of authority in the Sanders camp. It wasn’t the most well-run organization. I think Sanders axed Tad Devine because he figured out he was being played, used as a spoiler by those he once thought his… mentors? Probably not to quite the level of Jill Stein or Moscow Mitch, but back in the day when the USSR was Socialist, Bernie looked to ’em (and not just to Scandinavia) as an example.

    I wonder if he has ever worked out that, since the fall of that Republic, they disintegrated into robber barons and vulture capitalists to rival anything the West has to offer. I wonder if he really understands that Putin mocks everything Bernie thought the Soviets stood for. I’m sure I’ll never know: Bernie’s headstrong and stubborn and will just keep on with the same rants he’s always done, and we have better, more practical people available for going beyond the rant stage.

    The people I have known all my life and see on Facebook who were hardcore Bernie people are not still Bernie or Busters. A good half of ’em say they voted for Clinton, and I don’t see any of them taking a BoB position: not a single one, not even the guy who carpeted Facebook with Bernie propaganda without caring where it came from (that is of course how Putin controlled those spaces. Real guy, but he amplified enemy stuff without formally planning to do so. You just feed him likely-seeming posts and he gets mad and amplifies it without checking)

    The bot networks are still there. And operating, though maybe not at full capacity. You can’t trust anything on Twitter or Facebook for these reasons. Other places, such as r/chapotraphouse on Reddit (which has upvotes/downvotes) are totally controlled by teams who know the narrative and permissible discourse and make sure it’s being enforced. If you even mention Russian operations there you’re instantly stifled by Russians (again, with a few naive ‘amplifiers’) shutting you down. I hung out there for a little while, started to notice the ‘direction’ happening, got annoyed, left, came back months later and the place looks like 4chan /pol/ already.

    A bunch of the ‘Bernie Bros’, largely a social network phenomenon, were always Russian bots and operatives. By now, it’s possible a supermajority of them (as in, plainly identifiable as such by their opinions and actions) are simply Russians. Real leftists abandoned that sinking ship as they had other places to go.

    If Bernie doesn’t behave, this time I’ll work to get him turfed out of the Senate and replaced. IF. I think he got co-opted and was too full of himself to notice. His primary message still holds, though he is not the best choice for implementing it. I would turn on him and work to replace him IF he actively cooperates with Russians to fuck us again, and if there is a genuine non-Russian-puppet left-wing replacement to be had. In my opinion it’s more likely he will prefer an ‘elder statesman’, ‘all this is because of me’ ego role and will not help the Russians any further (and again, he fired Devine), and can remain where he is, but we’ll see. And remember, you got Russian operatives even right here telling you that Bernie IS helping the Russians, and IS outright a commie agent super bad Doctor Evil, because that’s the prong of the operation that targets places like Balloon Juice. Different stories, targeted to different places. I saw both prongs (because I’m weird enough to have been posting to Balloon Juice for over ten years now, while also having that lefty angle).

    Expect the ‘Bernie Mob’ to seem not to change. You’re seeing the Russian bots. The ones who were real voters are already gone, and it’s in the interest of the Russians to seem like the Bros are still a thing. I think now they’re nearly all fake.

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    satby says:

    @mrmoshpotato: people (usually asshole white flight suburbanites) used to express surprise that I lived not just in the city, but on the South Side. Would say right to my face “I didn’t think any white people still lived there”.
    Fuck you, Ivanka.
    Yeah, that’s what she was saying: “but, but, but look at black on black shootings”, the old racist standby. And a twofer: falsely “remind” people that cities are hellholes mainly occupied by minorities, and reinforce how upstanding whites need their guns to stay safe from the hordes sure to come some apocalyptic day in the future to steal their stuff. Bitch.

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: I definitely agree we should have commander’sbacks even when things go wrong.
    Look at the Marathon Bombing police shooting gallery in Watertown where in spite of hundredsor rounds being fired. — uphill! in a residential area! – the only person shot was a police officer(or two). Everyone had the commanders’ back then.

    I guesss I am just a bit salty because our current Suffolk County DA, a black woman, has been trying to reduce prosecution for broken window style crimes and is getting savaged by the BPD (or more accurately the police unions). Now the BPD is a generally disciplined, well maintained force and no longer rife with corruption and racism — unlike it was in the ’80s when I was a PD in Roxbury.

    But still, the macho, thin blue line, militaristic stuff is pouring forth against the DA. Did I mention she was a woman of color?

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    Immanentize says:

    On a completely different note. The Newark lead in the water crisis is very bad. This ends the run of Senator Booker.

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    @satby: A good many years ago, I told a grad school classmate I lived in Detroit, and she said she didn’t think anybody still lived there. At the time, Detroit still had something like 1.5 million people. She erased them all.

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    Baud says:

    @Chris Johnson:

    I’ve started seeing the Bernie operation ramp up on Reddit.

    I don’t blame anyone simply for voting for Bernie in the last primary. But I think your being too generous to him in ignoring his own actions and those of his close associates to play to the hate and conspiracy theories. And not in the distant past. Just a few weeks ago, he alluded to the “rigged” primary in 2016. If we aren’t tolerant of Trump doing things like this, we shouldn’t tolerate Bernie doing it either.

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    Ken says:

    @Tony Jay: So sort of like Grimm’s Law, except instead of describing how proto-Germanic consonants changed when adjacent to certain vowels, it describes how everything decent changes when adjacent to members of Parliament.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Immanentize: I meant to say, “thus ends…” A la LOTR, but in honesty it is a bad thing for Corey -+ reiterating all the inner-city stereotypes we were referring above. He is not really running as a Senator, but as a proven executive of a very large city. Biden got him pretty good on the policing back when he was mayor (although I think Booker had the better of that exchange). This is gonna leave a mark.

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    germy says:

    Brexiteer hopes the young environmentalist has a “freak yachting accident”

    https://boingboing.net/2019/08/15/brexiteer-businessman-hopes-gr.html

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    kindness says:

    Once again I find I don’t mind Bernie. BernieBros on the other hand are in league with Satan. And I don’t believe in Hell. They for what ever clueless reason don’t understand they are offending many of us with their self ritcheousness & purer than thou presentation.

    I supported Hillary last time because Bernie was a crank even then. Now I’m more Harris or Warren. No matter what though, I will vote for the Democratic nominee. If only BernieBros would have said as much in 2016, we might now be bitching about how Hillary is too moderate for us as President.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: A classmate and friend of mine is Dean at Detroit Mercy Law. I love Detroit. But it has the same problem as Cleveland — how do you shrink a large metropolis that loses 1/2 – 2/3s of it’s population? Houses still stand where no one lives. But I will go to Detroit anytime I’m invited. Great foodie town.

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: Who’s going to tell him?

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @Baud: Yeah, and the Republican primary was rigged for Jeb Bush… until it wasn’t.

    That’s politics. You would have to be insane to think anyone but Clinton was intended for the Democratic candidacy, and there were excellent reasons at the time to have it be so. One of ’em is to avoid chaos and infighting. There’s two angles to that: one, if you don’t have message discipline and an organized approach you risk losing, and two, Clinton’s people did absolutely have control of the party, quite legitimately, and got what they wanted. You’ll notice Liz Warren did NOT run that time, because she is neither stupid nor divisive. You’ll also notice Warren doesn’t carry on about ‘rigged primaries’… because she is neither stupid nor divisive.

    Of course the whole thing was set up to hand it to Clinton in 2016 from the beginning. That’s how politics WORKS. Calling it ‘rigged’ implies that it’s supposed to be a free-for-all, but those can be dangerous as we learned. Just straight up rigging the whole thing gets us a Democratic Party that can’t respond to the actual electorate or conditions in the country because you get people who have built their power over decades and whole voter lifetimes, and they don’t pick up on stuff in time.

    Last time we would have at least got someone who was wary of Russian shenanigans. This time around if there is ‘rigging’, it’s partly through the Russian-controlled media, and this time it’s trying to get Biden in there to pretend that everything is still the way it was when he was a lad hobnobbing with his Republican friends. I think Bernie is on the outs with Putin, otherwise he’d be doing a lot better. Everything is in place for a brazen ‘look, here he is again, this time he’s winning!’ even in the face of all reality, and yet it’s so obviously not happening that he must not be getting the Russian backing he once had.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: Here’s hoping he has a brush with novichok.

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    Baud says:

    @Chris Johnson:

    Clinton was the favorite because she earned that status. And primary voters agreed and that decision should have been respected. Clinton in 08 showed us how it’s done.

    In a time of Republican voter suppression, suggesting that the 2016 primary was rigged dilutes the evil.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Bernie and Tulsi are poison.

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    bemused says:

    @germy:

    I read the piece and I expected far right businessman Banks would say something like this, just “a joke” and his critics has “no sense of humor”. So predictable. Totally unfunny wealthy privileged white guys and American trumper meatheads are exactly alike except for the bank accounts.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Chris Johnson: I don’t buy the theory that a “supermajority” of the online Bernie fanatics are Russian trolls. Look at the people Sanders hired to work for his 2020 campaign, such as Sirota and Gray. They and other toxic fanatics are real people fomenting a “Give Bernie the nomination or America gets it” approach. I’m sure there are many trolls among the online Bernie horde. I am certain trolls and real people using troll tactics are attaching themselves to other campaigns to twist the conversation, now that the efficacy of that approach has been demonstrated. But there really is a toxic cult around Sanders.

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    Immanentize says:

    @JPL:
    Funders

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    germy says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    “Give Bernie the nomination or America gets it”

    We already got it. In 2016.

    I hope they don’t give us a second drumpf term, but I wonder if they really can.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Late last night (well, early this morning) I saw that Hoarse got doxxed by somebody, and I was amazed at the vitriol and craziness of all of the Berniacs coming out of the woodwork. Every cliché imaginable, including taking it as fact that somehow Hillary stole the nomination from the one person who could have beaten Trump.

    Can somebody give me a link to that site or tool where you can see if a Twitter handle is likely a troll? I’d like to check out some of the Berniacs. I looked at their profiles, and there are quite a few where the only thing they post on is Berniemania stuff. That seems odd, to say the least.

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    Baud says:

    @germy:

    They barely did it against Hillary and they still needed Comey’s help to pull it off in the end. Keep pushing back but don’t fret over them.

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    Being that I was inside most of yesterday due to the heat, I decided to have a few minutes of Photoshop fun(I know I’m weird). I wanted to make a blue rose, they don’t actually exist in nature. Here’s my blue rose. So I was chatting with a friend online last night, he says that’s nice, make a rainbow rose. I said, easy, take about 2 minutes.

    ETA: Thank you to whoever placed an order for a pic this morning, made my morning.

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    Quick shout-out to all the dirty hippies who survived Woodstock fifty years ago…

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    Kay says:

    Damon Linker
    @DamonLinker
    · 13m
    Seeing a lot of barely contained glee about a pending recession that will solve our Donald Trump problem for us. Anyone thinking about who Trump will blame for the downturn if he’s running for re-election during a slump?

    He literally sounds like a child “we will get BLAMED fer it!” The scaredy cat no one likes.

    So a good economy is good for Trump and also a bad economy. We must remain under our desks, hiding from the awesome power of Donald Trump.

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    @Immanentize: When we moved to Iowa, I used to dream of shwarma that I couldn’t get within a hundred miles.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @germy: I don’t think they’ll get a repeat, not because they wouldn’t be perfectly willing to saddle us with four more years of Trump for the sin of not feeling the Bern but because 2016 required a perfect storm of events to achieve that outcome. I don’t think it’ll happen again. (But then, I didn’t think it would happen the first time, so what do I know? ;-)

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    rikyrah says:

    FBI alerted after black Charlotte officials received threats, racist letters
    BY ANNA DOUGLAS

    A Mecklenburg County commissioner says she has asked the FBI to investigate who sent her and other black elected officials a racist, threatening letter that said “Black Democrats should be tarred and feathered and run out of town” and sent “screaming to the concentration camps.”

    The letter, which Commissioner Vilma Leake read aloud at a recent public meeting, was received by mail at her county office address. It is a nearly two-page-long rant that threatens “someone” may “blow up” a statue of Martin Luther King, Jr., and also says, “I would love it if they would blow you up.”

    At least 12 local elected officials, including black county commissioners, Charlotte City Council members who are people of color, and the black chair of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools board, received similar letters in recent days, according to representatives of those bodies. The letter, which the Observer obtained a copy of from a City Council member, is also addressed to the local police and fire departments.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Over 150,000 Signatures On Petition To Change Street In Front Of Trump Tower To ‘Obama Ave’

    Yes it’s petty but please oh please oh please oh please oh …..

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: My reply is simple: “You.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @raven:

    So the Phiily guy is black, shot 6 cops and they didn’t kill him. Doesn’t fit our narrative does it?

    Not really, but other Police Departments don’t have the MOVE bombing over them.

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: They want a return to the ’90s.

    The 1890s.

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    Ken says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    That seems odd, to say the least.

    Is it just me, or there a lot of people out there who are failing the Turing Test? Maybe the internet just magnifies something that’s always been a problem.

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:

    My mother refused a cellphone, and wouldn’t even allow for us to put voicemail on her landline, let alone call waiting.

    ” if you want to talk to me, you’ll call back.”

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    Kay says:

    So here’s a part of “both sides” people I never see addressed. There’s the “totebaggers”, I get them, they’re always mentioned, but there’s another group. I helped my son’s friend set up his tattoo business, just because I like him and his gf and I hope they succeed and they asked for advice. They have a storefront but no start up money – I don’t like tattoos but IMO he’s quite talented and I don’t judge. I’ve also known him since he was ten and I always liked him. So I sometimes go to their Facebook page just to see how the business is doing and he had put up this link to a Right wing video – I looked it up and it’s a Right wing group out of China, like a “news service” but it’s really hard Right. It was a conspiracy theory about Epstein. So I mentioned this to his GF (they aren’t political) and she said she had him pull it down- “that stuff is bad for business”. But she doesn’t mean Right wing. She means “political”. These are the “rejection” voters to me- the people who see it as so fraught with hostility and divisiveness that they simply don’t want to participate in any sense. They never get as far as “both sides”. They’re repelled by the whole thing. They see it as nasty- not something they want to be part of.

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    rikyrah says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    @Kay: I wonder how much of that negative rating is due to gun owners being pissed off at how they’ve been subsidizing LaPierre’s lavish life style.

    A 6 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE?

    DA PHUQ?

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    Ramalama says:

    Something for Annie Laurie of the Noath Showah. Ghislane Maxwell is hiding out in the Coolidge Estates in Manchester-by-the-Sea. A friend who loves there is telling me there are helicopters hovering. The town filled up with not-just-tourists. https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/jeffrey-epsteins-gal-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-laying-low-at-massachusetts-mansion/

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Ken:

    Oh yes. There’s a colourful translation or ten for all of their given names.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Betty Cracker: Good! Where he should have gone in the first place, tho’. There are at least a half-dozen Dems in the Senate race so far. One of them, Dan Baer, I got to interview – kind of a Pete Buttigieg vibe from him – nice, young, white, very well-educated, worked for the Obama administration. Even mentioned his husband! 😄

    But I think Hick has the name recognition factor in spades, so I expect thatto make a difference.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: I think that’s fairly common — people who don’t want anything to do with politics not only because they see it as nasty and divisive but because they’re convinced the whole thing is rigged and hopelessly corrupt, so it’s pointless to vote. My daughter tells me many of her peers feel that way. She tries to talk them into getting involved on some level — at least voting — but it’s a tough sell.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @germy:

    Aaron Banks. A pig’s-bladder inflated to human proportions by greed and the fumes from rancid meat. Reportedly the middle-man between Russian money and the various Leave campaigns. I’d hazard a bet that there’s more than one file with his name on it full to bursting with intelligence info sitting on a shelf somewhere that we won’t see for a couple of generations.

    As is so often the case, the targets of right-wing bile are transparently a million times superior as human beings than the turds smearing them.

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    Jinchi says:

    “I think Americans have very short attention spans. Wanting the new flavor all the time, you know?” a Sanders backer lamented in NH.

    It’s got nothing to do with attention spans. People only get to order what’s on the menu. In 2016, there were only a couple of flavors, now there are 20.

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    @Tony Jay:

    A pigs-bladder inflated to human proportions by greed and the fumes from rancid meat.

    Ah don’t be coy, tell us what you really think.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @satby: I suspect that there’s a number of departments now where your father would get fired. Do you remember a few years back hearing about a small town police officer who tried to talk down a man who was begging him to shoot him? (The guy was saying “just shoot me” & basically begging the cop to help him commit suicide-by-cop).Then two of his colleagues drove up & immediately shot the guy he was trying to reason with? The cop who tried to talk the guy down is the one who was fired & is now probably driving trucks. Not the two cops who shot the guy, who shot first without gathering any intelligence from the cop on the scene.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    100% agree about the youngs. These two are 25-ish. The fact is the gf is a liberal. I can tell one of the tribe :)

    But- she’s like this kind single mom and she’s fucking right on the edge of poverty and this to her is “danger!- complicated and causes fights!” Some people want to get along with other people. It’s easier and they want to laugh once in a while and be somewhat “happy” on occasion. I think the intense nastiness of Trump has just pushed these people further out.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ramalama:

    A friend who loves there

    no doubt.
    Dr. Freud — courtesy phone!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    So I mentioned this to his GF (they aren’t political) and she said she had him pull it down- “that stuff is bad for business”. But she doesn’t mean Right wing. She means “political”. These are the “rejection” voters to me- the people who see it as so fraught with hostility and divisiveness that they simply don’t want to participate in any sense.

    She’s not totally wrong. Obviously these days there is a lot of heavy and immediate negative pushback to even the best of causes. Some younger people have other priorities or just don’t want to be bothered.

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    bemused says:

    @rikyrah:

    Such ignorant, stupid racists. “Your freedom was born on the backs of great Americans, white Americans, who fought for you, so get over it, assimilate”. I strongly suspect his/her real feelings are that great, white Americans fought to keep them enslaved. It’s the racists who fail, refuse, to assimilate.

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    Brachiator says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    . I wanted to make a blue rose, they don’t actually exist in nature.

    Very nice photo. It reminded be of an old action movie, The Thief of Baghdad, starring Steve Reeves. The heroes of the film were sent on a quest to find The Blue Rose.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Ken:

    Yeah, Turing might have had to do some revisions if he got a look at the Internet.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud:

    when a journalist does it because they’re supposed to be trusted to keep information confidential.

    According to the “how to deal with media” training I just had, you should never assume confidentiality. “Off the record” means shyt. Perhaps it once did, but not any more. So never say anything to the press that you don’t want published.

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    Immanentize says:

    @bemused:

    It’s the racists who fail, refuse, to assimilate.

    Stealing this

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    Betty says:

    @Tony Jay: Truly a depressing state of affairs. I thought the citizens of the UK were brighter than this.

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    bemused says:

    @Immanentize:

    It wasn’t long ago that this popped into my head after reading another typical story of “real” Americans who don’t want anything to change, can’t, won’t adapt to our diverse country even if their families aren’t entirely white and immigrant stories from the beginning of this country to the present. I’m probably not alone in thinking they are having a massive failure to assimilate but surprised this thought isn’t more widespread.
    If I ever get a chance to say that to some racist trumper(s), I expect their heads to implode>

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Betty:

    I thought the citizens of the UK were brighter than this.

    Tabloid hate-pointing and social-media propaganda can fuck a lot of shit up.

    OTOH, only 1/3 of the electorate voted for this nonsense, and we don’t know if anyone’s changed their minds because the current Government refuses to ask. Almost certainly because they know the result would be very different this time.

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    glory b says:

    @Betty Cracker: Tell them (gently) that half a loaf is better than none, and a lot of their fellow citizens who are members of minority groups/people of color have to depend on them to keep the Trump/Repub boot off their necks.

    Could any of them see ANY of the Dems treating us this way? If not, vote!! Do it as a mitzvah (I think that’s the term I’m thinking of)!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby: 🙄 Idiots probably don’t even know all of our major museums are on the South side. Oh, and one of the premier universities in the world! And a bunch of other cool stuff if you just go look. Jackson Park with the Japanese garden there is awesome.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    I did a bit of a double-take because I was thinking of the other Thief of Baghdad, the Powell/Pressberger version with Sabu and Conrad Veidt.

    I kind of wonder if you would like Mario Bava’s Hercules in the Haunted World, with Reg Park. Bava wasn’t much of one for plot, but he had great atmospherics on a low budget. They even did an opera a few years ago where they ran the movie with an original opera replacing the soundtrack.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mnemosyne

    Bava also directed Planet of the Vampires, a precursor to Ridley Scott’s Alien, which came out a dozen or so years later. The parallels are unmistakable.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Immanentize:

    But I will go to Detroit anytime I’m invited. Great foodie town.

    Royal Oak! Lots of good craft breweries as well.

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    Ruckus says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Still have my sister’s number on my phone, and this is the third phone I’ve had since she passed. Both parents were in care facilities before they were gone, so no numbers for them.

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    NotMax says:

    Suddenly occurred to me we haven’t been graced with the presence of Bella Q (a/k/a alternative fax) for a while. Don’t follow every thread though, so perhaps mistaken?

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I was looking over the details of police deaths here in Nashville. Of the five in the last 20 years, one drowned and the other four were killed in auto accidents—the most recent by someone running a red light, and one as she was on the shoulder working another wreck.
    The last human police offer shot and killed here died in 1996; there was a K9 shot and killed in 1998.
    I don’t think we’re more law-abiding; I don’t think we have fewer guns, and I don’t think we have fewer racial issues present here. There’s been a strong push in favor of community policing here, though, rather than the Darrell Gates LA style militarized armed occupation approach. That may be part of the difference; more use of and better bulletproof vests may be a factor as well.
    Still: cars more of a risk than guns! Who knew?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @NotMax:

    She has appeared lately, though sporadically

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    Ramalama says:

    @Immanentize: Ha! Busted.

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