Cold Grey Pre-Dawn Schadenfreude Open Thread: Bizarro-Trump Feels Badly Used

THEY SAID THEY LOVED HIM FOR HIS VAST POLICY PROPOSALS, BUT NOW THEY ARE MOCKING HIS SAGGING POLLS!


Seems the BernieStans are consoling each other by shares of his prowess around the digital campfires, and the mockery thereof has been fierce…


(Are we bitter? I, for one, will never *stop* being bitter.)






56 replies
  1. 1
    Mary G says:

    Karma is a bitch, Wilmer.

  2. 2
    Ian R says:

    I’m bitter like my whole body is denatonium benzoate. Wilmer and his stans can go fuck themselves.

  3. 3
    mrmoshpotato says:

    When Bernie gives a speech and says basically the same thing he said last night, the same thing he said last month, the same thing he said in 2016, there’s no news.

    Notify the burn ward! A has-been screaming about income inequality has been badly burned all over his body!

  4. 4
    mrmoshpotato says:

    Off to bed. Must rest up to slag this election-wrecking bastard more tomorrow.

  5. 5
    patrick II says:

    In 2016 Wilmer was one of two Democratic candidates who stuck around for more than a minute. This time he is one of 20 of which about 5 are serious candidates. There is only so much non-Donald room on the front page.

  6. 6
    Baud says:

    And women weren’t even allowed to be excited bc the angry white men on the left harassed us into silence.

    It’s why everyone is so aggressive now. Because being tolerant and accepting didn’t work.

    I for one think the stories about sexism and racism in Bernie’s 2016 campaign haven’t been adequately covered.

  7. 7
    Travels with Charley says:

    Sorry for the off topic question, but are any of the jackalariat here in Dublin for the World Science Fiction convention? I saw that hedgehog mobile was on her way…
    Maybe we could do a Worldcon meetup?

  8. 8
    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Baud:

    It’s why everyone is so aggressive now. Because being tolerant and accepting didn’t work.

    Damn straight.

  9. 9
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    The fucker voted for Dump’s racist wall

    Senate vote #25 and #26

  10. 10
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    There is only ONE person running for president who voted to give the terrorist NRA blanket immunity.

    Bernie (NRA-VT)

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    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    That really doesn’t get enough play. Gun manufacturers are the only corporations in the world that Bernie wants to shield from liability for their actions. Why?

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    Mart says:

    Wilmer:

    ❌ Voted againat mandatory background checks at gun shows

    ❌ Voted against the Magnitsky Act

    ❌ Voted against Russian sanctions 3x

    ❌ Missed vote to keep sanctions on Oleg Deripaska

    ❌ Honeymooned in USSR. (Realize this means absolutely nothing, but who the fuck do you know who honeymooned in Russia?)

  13. 13
    Amir Khalid says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:
    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:
    Shh. Don’t tell the lancer. He’d be absolutely crushed.

  14. 14
    Mart says:

    The new site will has more powers.

  15. 15
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mart:
    My parents visited Russia once. The place they told us kids about didn’t sound like a fun honeymoon destination.

  16. 16
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Sanders expressed frustration in an interview with the Des Moines Register that staffers were airing their complaints publicly.

    “It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media,” he told the Iowa newspaper. “That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it’s improper.”

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    He’s never been part of a union. I was raised by parents who belonged to different unions who always talked to the media during disputes.

    If this is how he reacts to his own labor force for exposing him as a fraud for not paying workers a bare living wage, if this is how he reacts when a very friendly reporter, Dave Weigel, mildly observes the triviality that someone else had a bigger crowd, think how he would react to whistle blowers and the intense media scrutiny he would face as president.

  17. 17
    J R in WV says:

    I keep telling people Senator Sanders is the left wing version of Donald Trump. Owned and operated by, first, the Soviet Union, and later on by the Russian Federation. Currently an operative being run by minions of Validimir Valdimirovitch Putin.

    AS such, his voting pattern matches that would have been the voting pattern of Senator Trump, if he had been told to seek the presidency via election to the senate somewhere. Plus, he is nearly as misogynistic as Trump is, and certainly as psychologically impaired as Trump is.

    And that’s why his campaign has had sexual harassment and skirted illegal actions in the recent past. He is a Russian stooge, and must be compliant with their commands without a dammed good excuse.

    Back with the Soviet Union was claiming to be a Marxist nation, Senator Sanders claimed to be a socialist. Then when Russia became less Marxist and more the hot mess that it is today, Sanders became less outspoken a Socialist. Now he’s just the frantic finger wagging prick that he is, trying to straddle the demands of his handlers from Russia AND the weirdo vibe of Vermont.

  18. 18
    hells littlest angel says:

    The press is treating Bernie bad! They’re also stealing things out of his room!

  19. 19
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    I don’t know what lies have been sworn to here, but a key did exist! My disloyal officers failed me, and the key couldn’t be found.

    The key was not imaginary. I don’t know anything about the mess boys.

    All the officers were disloyal. They were always fighting me!

    But the strawberries, that’s where I had them. I proved with geometric logic that a duplicate key to the icebox existed.

    I could have produced that key. They were protecting some officer…

  20. 20
    cokane says:

    @J R in WV: this is nuts

  21. 21
    Gozer says:

    I’m old enough to remember him speaking approvingly about a primary challenge to Obama in 2012 and then later saying that it wasn’t racist for someone to be wary of Obama’s presidency due to his race.

    And then there’s that time he said that “rural” areas just, you know, have a different way of relating to guns. Unlike “urban” areas like Chicago. *wink**wink*

  22. 22
    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Gozer:

    In a September [2015] meeting with Campaign Zero, a movement formed out of the Ferguson protests, activists asked Sanders why, in his opinion, there were a disproportionate amount of people of color in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. Sanders, seated across the table, a yellow legal pad at hand, responded with a question of his own, according to two people present: “Aren’t most of the people who sell the drugs African American?” The candidate, whose aides froze in the moment, was quickly rebuffed: The answer, the activists told him, was no. Even confronted with figures and data to the contrary, Sanders appeared to have still struggled to grasp that he had made an error, the two people present said.

  23. 23
    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    I hadn’t heard about that incident.

  24. 24
    Kate says:

    Long time lurker…but constant reader, going to WorldCon because its only a bus journey away. And I am going all on my own. And its my first. And I am both excited and a little scared. Meet up would be grand!

  25. 25
    David Koch says:

    @Baud: here’s the article (link)

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @cokane: I don’t what it is, but there’s something fishy going on. He was the only senator not to cast a sanctions vote on Oleg Deripaska.

    He’s one of only 4 senators to vote against the Magnisky act; he’s one of only 2 senators to vote against sanctions for election interference; and he’s the only one not to show up to work for the Deripaska vote. Something is going on.

  27. 27
    satby says:

    @Gozer: @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: There are so many reasons I deeply despise Sanders, but these two incidents are at the top. Plus the entire lying con artist that he is. And that he works hard to disillusion younger people about politics in service to his own election via the accusations of corruption and “rigging”. He’s a toxic fraud.

  28. 28
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Wow. Sanders has an awful voting record. He’s certainly not the best out of those running for the nomination. I don’t trust him.

  29. 29
    Gozer says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: There’s also the matter of his chief campaign strategist, Tad Devine, working with Paul Manafort for Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych.

  30. 30
    satby says:

    @David Koch: it’s ironic that the article linked struggles hard to be fair to the Bernout and still shows that he just b.s.es his way through life. Almost two years later (at the time of writing) and he still can’t answer a single question with a policy proposal or statement detailing his broader understanding of racial issues. Telling people to “look at his website” makes me wonder how many of his “policies” he’s even the author of.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    But had the campaign changed him at all — or the way he talks about racial justice?

    Sanders cut in. “It’s not a question of talking about it. It’s not phraseology. It’s what you’re gonna do about it,” he said. “You learn and you grow. If you’re not smarter tomorrow than you are today, then you’re not doing a good job. So coming to Mississippi, coming to Alabama, to Flint, Michigan — did I learn something? Did I change as a part of that? Of course I did.”

    But how, exactly? Sanders didn’t answer the question.

    Ouch, feel the burn,

  32. 32
    JPL says:

    @Kate: Have fun. It’s more than a bus ride away for me, but I hope you are able to meet-up with other lurkers.

  33. 33
    satby says:

    @Kate: email Anne Laurie and she can connect you with Travels with Charley’s email so you can set something up.

  34. 34
    Robert Sneddon says:

    @Kate: I’ll be in Dublin for the con tomorrow. BTW volunteers to help set up the convention (the “Move In” part of MIMO) are always welcome, if you live locally and can get there early. There will be a volunteer desk somewhere to get you signed up.

  35. 35
    debbie says:

    Anyone who aligns with even one of Trump’s position should be drummed out of the party.

  36. 36
    lee says:

    I’m really trying to feel sorry for Bernie and his minions.

    Wait…no I’m not. As they say in Russia ‘Tough Shitsky’.

  37. 37
    J R in WV says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    I don’t what it is, but there’s something fishy going on. He was the only senator not to cast a sanctions vote on Oleg Deripaska.

    He’s one of only 4 senators to vote against the Magnisky act; he’s one of only 2 senators to vote against sanctions for election interference; and he’s the only one not to show up to work for the Deripaska vote. Something is going on.

    I believe that Senator Sanders is under the orders of a agency of the Russian Federation, much as Trump is. One for the right wing, and the other for the left wing. Who goes to the Soviet Union for their honeymoon?

    Once the KGB/Soviet Union had enough on Sanders, then as the governing reality changed, now the Russian Federation has enough on Sanders, so he does as he is told with regard to voting in the Senate.

    Nothing else makes any sense. He is a tool of the Russian intelligence apparatus, and anyone who supports him here is also an unwitting tool of the Russians. He is a racist with no morality at all, a reflection of Trump. They both make odd gestures and shout at their crowds, spooling out lies. He should be in jail, just as Trump should be, for treason or espionage.

    That is what is fishy going on with Sanders. He’s a Russian tool.

  38. 38
    Percysowner says:

    So thus far this week, I’ve been told that the media
    1) Is out to get Joe Biden because it is focusing on his gaffes
    2) Is out to get Bernie Sanders because it isn’t reporting about him enough

    Meanwhile the female candidates (Go Warren!) are just keeping on, keeping on and Warren and Harris share a hug when they run into each other on the campaign trail https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1160349359512252418

  39. 39
    Starfish says:

    I am going to ask for a safe space where we do not talk about Bernie anymore. Also, I am jealous of the people trying to meet up for WorldCon in this thread.

  40. 40
    low-tech cyclist says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: That’s just infuckingcredible. Here’s a candidate who’s built his entire political persona around issues of class and economic disparity, and he doesn’t even know (or refuses to acknowledge) that it would be a major oversight, at a minimum, for a union to not actively try to get public opinion on its side in a labor negotiation.

    What a fraud he is.

    Props for the Caine Mutiny quote, btw.

  41. 41
    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Percysowner:

    Meanwhile the female candidates (Go Warren!) are just keeping on, keeping on and Warren and Harris share a hug when they run into each other on the campaign trail https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1160349359512252418

    I loved that! I always figured that’s how they’d be if the nomination came down to just the two of them. And it would be great if that came to pass.

  42. 42
    germy says:

    Why does Sanders have such a low NRA rating?

  43. 43
    Richard Guhl says:

    Bernie’s problems begin with the very way he thinks about the world. He sees everything through the lens of a Marxist class struggle, and therefore can’t imagine how people might consider other matters to be more important.
    In his own mind, he sees the whole matter of his NRA votes as a trivial kerfuffle, a means to the end of the greater good of subduing millionaires and billionaires.
    This mental rigidity is also manifested when he says such things as, “Yes, it’s important to defend civil rights and women’s rights, BUT ordinary people don’t care about such things.”
    That ‘but’ pretty much negates everything that comes before it. For a true believer like Bernie, the only reality is class and all else are distractions.
    In the absolute certitude of his convictions, Bernie would make a disastrous President. Fortunately, John Cole’s Senator, Joe Manchin would say F-U, and the myth of Bernie would explode.

  44. 44
    chopper says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    He’s never been part of a union.

    of course not. he’s never really worked a day in his life. he cosplays ‘working class’. he’s barton fucking fink.

  45. 45
    chopper says:

    @germy:

    because he’s not a republican. NRA ratings aren’t based on anything legit.

  46. 46
    Ruckus says:

    @J R in WV:
    @Richard Guhl:
    I believe that both of you are right. This is who he is.
    I think he falls in line, Vlad wise, because of what Richard wrote.
    And what Richard wrote is why he isn’t a democrat. He’s a Marxist. Of course he’s lots of other things as well, none of which are good traits in a democratic candidate for, well any office.

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    enplaned says:

    Sanders only gained prominence in 2016 because Hillary was a weak candidate – a candidate who had already been rejected by the party in 2008 when she lost to Obama. There were a lot of Democrats who wanted an alternative to Hillary, who in 2016 was about as same-old/same-old as it was possible to be, and Sanders provided that outlet. He was less an intrinsically attractive candidate and more the canary in the coal-mine, presaging Hillary’s difficulty in the general election. He was never seriously tested in 2016, the Hillary campaign treated him and his supporters with kid gloves. I’d have preferred a different Democrat to Hillary (but absolutely Hillary over Trump), but I never viewed Sanders as at all real and I’ve never found him an attractive candidate.

    Had the field been open, had Hillary not run (or had the Democrats been less blatant about greasing the skids for her) Sanders would never have been a thing. And indeed, this time around, it looks quite possible that he’ll be beaten into third place or worse by Warren and others.

  48. 48
    opiejeanne says:

    @enplaned: Oh, this bullshit again. No, Hillary was not a “weak candidate”. She was popular and the best candidate after Obama, got the most votes after Obama, won the election and was cheated out of the presidency by Russian interference and the media’s insane hatred of her. No one “greased the skids” for her at all. Oh, and the super delegates idea belonged to Tad Devine. He insisted on it. Too bad they went for her instead of his pet candidate.

    What makes you think Sanders wouldn’t have been running if not for Hillary?

  49. 49
    Jim says:

    I just love the way BS makes a collection of relatively unaccomplished chuckleheads whine over the tiniest of things. It doesn’t require much in the way of brains to figure out his point — that the dedicated capitalist Bezo ain’t behind the democratic socialist who’s been critical of him. . I can of course understand why that would be a challenge for the BSDS-suffering crowd. Well done Bernie! https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-dollars-2018-10

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    SFAW says:

    @Jim:

    Wow, you sure told them off.
    Although, I might suggest one minor correction: calling someone a self-important asshole whose 28-year Congressional career has been notably lacking in tangible accomplishments — although I can understand that lack, since I’m sure he had to divide his time between that and all his other jobs since 1991 — and laughing at his whiny, self-pitying bullshit, while his Bern-Or-Bust-ers un-ironically compare him to FDR, is not what most native English-speakers would call “derangement.” “Mockery,” perhaps. Or maybe “calling bullshit”?

    But thanks for registering your very valuable opinion.

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    Geeno says:

    @germy: He didn’t used to. I suspect he asked them for one when he started running for 2016 so he wouldn’t get bashed over the head with it.

  52. 52
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Percysowner:

    I want a Warren/Harris or Harris/Warren ticket. I’m not picky about the order as long as they’re both on it.

    Let the boys fight each other while the women team up and get shit DONE.

  53. 53
    cokane says:

    @J R in WV: good lord, the conspiracies here are becoming as bad as a breitbart comment section

  54. 54
    anarchoRex says:

    Damn, this dude really triggers y’all.

  55. 55
    Lumpy says:

    Weird, I don’t see Bernie Sanders’ name in the Top 20 recipients of defense funding (let alone Bernie being in first place). Anyone got a link documenting the claim Bernie is #1?

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=D&cycle=2018&recipdetail=S&mem=Y&sortorder=U

  56. 56
    Lumpy says:

    @Lumpy:

    Oops, I found it. The claim is that Bernie was the #1 recipient of defense funds in the Senate. It’s referring to private donations to 2016 candidates from people working in the defense industry (not money from defense PACs or lobbyists).

    It kind of hinges on a technicality though (“in the Senate”). Hillary Clinton got far more money than Bernie Sanders in private donations from defense industry employees during the 2016 campaign, but since she wasn’t a member of the Senate in 2016, Bernie becomes #1.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783

    Statistics can be used to mislead. I think that’s essentially what we are seeing here.

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