Wednesday Morning Open Thread: In One Voice…

(Jim Morin via GoComics.com)
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Per USA Today, “Donald Trump to visit grief-stricken El Paso and Dayton even though some want him to stay away”:

President Donald Trump will travel to Texas and Ohio on Wednesday to meet with the victims of back-to-back shootings that have reopened a pointed debate over whether his own campaign trail rhetoric has contributed to the violence…

In Ohio, Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, told SiriusXM on Tuesday said he would not join Trump on the Dayton visit. “I don’t have any interest because of what he’s done on this – total unwillingness to address the issue of guns, his racist rhetoric.”

Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley said she planned to tell him that his proposals on gun control as outlined in remarks Monday are inadequate…

Trump remained mostly out of sight Tuesday, even on Twitter. White House aides said the president spent the day meeting with staff and preparing for Wednesday’s travel…

White House officials declined to say where within El Paso and Dayton the president is traveling, citing security concerns. The president is expected to visit Dayton first…

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119 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    America is finally respected again.

    Venezuela, Uruguay, Japan warn citizens about traveling to the US because of mass shootings

  2. 2
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Blech.

  3. 3
    MJS says:

    Good Morning everyone – I hope Beto keeps it going. He is not going to get the nomination, but he can be useful in making it more difficult for the media to portray Trump as “changed” and “a healer”.

  4. 4
    Jeffro says:

    Great cartoon and a sentiment that should be repeated every time a Dem gets in front of a camera. Just use it like a period, a way to wrap up every statement or response to a question: “…blah blah, yadda yadda, and I think the president* should resign.”

    And PLEASE Dems & #NeverTrumpers, as several of us were talking about last night, keep it up with the publicizing of trumpov2020 donors and noting how they are funding white supremacy. Absolutely no down side and it’s clearly driving GOP losers like Cornyn crazy.

  5. 5
    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: I hesitate to tell Baud!2020 this, but I think Machiavelli would call the USA “feared” rather than “respected” in this matter.

  6. 6
    opiejeanne says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Blech to you too.

  7. 7
    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄 😄😄

  8. 8
    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  9. 9
    opiejeanne says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning to you!

  10. 10
    debbie says:

    Very low expectations in Ohio. Apparently there will be no public remarks, but I can’t imagine he won’t shoot off his mouth (intentional) at some point.

  11. 11
    oatler. says:

    Chuck Todd: “Yet both sides…”

  12. 12
    Kay says:

    Why don’t they just leave them alone? I mean, really. How fucking self centered are these people? These poor people have to be used as props so the low quality Trump hires can put on some “presidential” act? How does this benefit them? He’s a lousy fucking “leader” and none of the people he hires can even manage to project an authentic emotion or ordinary decent adult behavior let alone model that for anyone else. They know they’re divisive- they proudly flaunt that and brag about it and it’s their campaign strategy. Just decline. Put someone else first for once in your miserable lives.

  13. 13
    JPL says:

    @Jeffro: While the president is whining about Amazon and Google, republicans complain that Joaquin Castro provided a list of trump’s supporters. This president has constantly tried to choose winners and losers.

  14. 14
    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I think the last sentence answers the first.

  15. 15
    debbie says:

    On his way to the fucking plane, he’s saying fucking shit like this:

    “Meanwhile, the Dayton, Ohio, shooter had a history of supporting political figures like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and ANTIFA.” @OANN I hope other news outlets will report this as opposed to Fake News. Thank you!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 7, 2019

    A demonstrable lie. Again.

  16. 16
    JPL says:

    @debbie: So what’s he gonna do? I assume visit those that were injured.

  17. 17
    debbie says:

    @JPL:

    Yes, he’s in great demand as a consoler. //

  18. 18
    satby says:

    Ugh. Can’t even work up a blech.

  19. 19
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL:

    I assume try to visit those that were injured.

    FTFY. I’d laugh my ass off if they all refused.

  20. 20
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Blech.

    This is a full service blog after all.

  21. 21
    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I think I heard some people in El Paso will refuse. No one owes him anything.

  22. 22
    Uncle Jeffy says:

    I have a dream that the bastard gets to El Paso, flounces around for a couple hours, and gets back to the airport to find that the El Paso P.D. Has booted Air Force One for the unpaid bill from his previous visit.

  23. 23
    TS (the original) says:

    @debbie:

    Apparently there will be no public remarks,

    The public doesn’t want to hear him – let alone see him.

  24. 24
    satby says:

    @Baud: it would be great if all the hospitalized victims refused his visit. Won’t happen, they’ll steamrolled right over any weak objections because they have no compunction about bullying victims. But it would be great just to rub his face in his much he’s hated by normal people even if it’s only for a minute.

  25. 25
    Baud says:

    @TS (the original):

    Unfortunately, a good number of the public does want to hear him. Just not the decent members of the public.

  26. 26
    Betty Cracker says:

    He’ll probably sneak in and out of hospitals and limit encounters there to a pre-screened group that includes those who support or are indifferent to him and/or unconscious people who can’t object to being used as a prop. That’s how it went down in Florida after the Parkland massacre. He stopped by a hospital on his way to the emoluments factory in Palm Beach and stayed 20 minutes or so. Later, photos were released of him mugging inappropriately with the thumbs-up sign with hospital staff. Trump and his horrid entourage use the innate politeness of others to their advantage. Maybe this is the day social conventions break under the strain of dealing with this narcissistic cocksplat. I hope so.

  27. 27
    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yesterday the staff arranged the details of the trip. I assume it went something like this, sir the president would like to visit tomorrow, click. It took a long time to arrange for the two or three that agreed.

  28. 28
    satby says:

    @TS (the original): and the contrast between the resentful few that have to show up wherever il Douche is and the probably massive rally where Beto will be should enrage smallfingers.

    Edit: now my kindle is just randomly adding shit to my typing.

  29. 29
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: El Paso congresswoman Veronica Escobar to Trump: ‘You are not welcome here’

    I can’t imagine the optics of this trip working in trump’s favor. I suspect his team figures if trump stayed away it would be portrayed as cowardice and that that would be worse than the repeated rejections he will be subject to. Of course, some people will play along under the guise of, “He’s the president, we have to respect that fact.” I just hope they use the opportunity to berate him over his racist BS and blind adherence to NRA talking points.

    I know, but a man can dream, can’t he?

  30. 30
    JPL says:

    @Betty Cracker: I remember that photo. double Blech.

  31. 31
    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Of course, some people will play along under the guise of, “He’s the president, we have to respect that fact.”

    I just don’t understand that thinking. He doesn’t respect the office. Why should anyone else?

  32. 32
    waratah says:

    The Republicans are really worried about losing Texas. Beto’s team posted before this happened that he was the first candidate they have taken out an add .

  33. 33
    TS (the original) says:

    @Baud: After his continual incitement of hate – I’m horrified that anyone still wants to hear him. Surely they will be drowned out today – or does he “bus a crowd” around the country.

  34. 34
    Ken says:

    Dayton mayor: “I have no sense of what’s in the president’s mind at all.”

    It’s like that scene in Being John Malkovich, but with Trump replacing Malkovich.

    Or like the Far Side cartoon “What Dogs Hear”, but with “Trump” replacing “Ginger”.

  35. 35
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: I feel the same as you.

  36. 36
    germy says:

    As we grieve over the evil mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton, let us not overlook that Chicago experienced its deadliest weekend of the year.— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) August 6, 2019

    In other words… Sure, a few white guys went nuts, but n*****s be violent every day!

  37. 37
    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker: @OzarkHillbilly: Great examples of why he should (of course he won’t, but he should) resign. His own comments inflamed these psychos. There is no possibility of him changing nor of him bringing the country together.

    15 more months ‘til the election. Hey GOP, think this is gonna wear well on the American people for another year plus? He’s already way behind in this supposedly awesome economy.

  38. 38
    waratah says:

    @TS (the original): I would not be surprised if buses of magas Are bussed in like they did for his ralley.

  39. 39
    satby says:

    Yesterday, my right wing neighbor at the market started with me about the horrible events over the weekend, and then attempted the video games gambit. I shut him down with “all countries have the same video games, all countries have mentally ill people, only this country has these slaughters”. He shut up.
    So have a lot of the right wingers I can usually count on to fight with me on FB. Either they sense the tipping point is nigh or they just can’t figure out why the normal talking points aren’t working. Keep fighting.

  40. 40
    satby says:

    @germy: exactly what everyone means when they say Chicago. Including that putz Bernie. Fuck them all.

  41. 41
    Kay says:

    @germy:

    Conservatives would be more credible in their faux concern for urban areas if they ever mentioned urban areas outside of the violence there. If they actually care about these cities why is “Chicago” never uttered except to cite violence? Nothing good ever happens in Chicago? No non-crime news out of that city? Come on.

  42. 42
    TS (the original) says:

    @satby:

    should enrage smallfingers.

    I do hope so. I often look at pictures of President Obama’s St Louis rally – makes me forget the miserable number of deplorables who follow trump around.

  43. 43
    Jeffro says:

    @debbie: Yup. What is it, 48 hours later and ‘Antifa’ is now = RWNJ shooters who combined have killed over a hundred Americans?

    A half-dozen Antifa goofs who seem to enjoy police beat downs means we can’t take assault weapons off our streets?

    Chicago gang shootings mean we couldn’t possibly institute background checks?

    The logic escapes me. These aren’t even very good cover stories/rationales, GOP. You’re not even trying anymore.

  44. 44
    zhena gogolia says:

    Say what you want about George Conway, that’s a great tweet.

  45. 45
    germy says:

    “Students for Trump” founder pleads guilty to fraud https://t.co/onRG7jBFPY— David Beard (@dabeard) August 7, 2019

  46. 46
    Brachiator says:

    I don’t give two shits about Trump. But I would not want anyone in El Paso to be disrepectful of Trump or do anything else that fools could twist into something that might be used against folks that Trump is already demonizing.

    I would never ask the wounded and injured, or their families, to divert even a nanosecond of time that they need for themselves and use it to protest Trump.

    If Trump wants to slink into town and express fake kindness, let him do it. Let him do it as quickly and as quietly as possible. And then let him slink out of town like the foul viper that he is.

  47. 47
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Here’s a little leavening for the morning: Spanish police order man who threw fridge off cliff to drag it back up – video

    Put a smile on my face anyway.

  48. 48
    mrmoshpotato says:

    @oatler.: Has Chuckles argued yet that the dead are to blame for being in the path of speeding bullets?

  49. 49
    different-church-lady says:

    Blech, everyone. 😝😝😝

  50. 50
    Kay says:

    It’s speculation on my part (of course) but I think Dayton shooter ends up to be personal. I don’t think the sister being there was an accident. There’s one theory in school shootings where the shooters are NOT actually trying for public or national infamy- instead they are “showing” the people they know that they will follow thru on the things they say and the threats they make, that they’re serious bad guys and weren’t bluffing. It’s why they so often harm their parents.

  51. 51
    germy says:

    Tomorrow the Republican Party will bring a defamation lawsuit against #JoaquinCastro for reminding people Trump was their candidate for President. https://t.co/YCwGrbGVAd— Roy Edroso (@edroso) August 7, 2019

  52. 52
    Baud says:

    @Brachiator:

    But I would not want anyone in El Paso to be disrepectful of Trump or do anything else that fools could twist into something that might be used against folks that Trump is already demonizing.

    Their is nothing they won’t twist into this way. We should only worry about policing our own standards and not about what the other side will do.

  53. 53

    @germy: Why am I not surprised? Fools who join an organization with “for Trump” in the name deserve to be defrauded. Correction: They’ve already been defrauded. Further correction: They defrauded themselves.

  54. 54
    different-church-lady says:

    @satby: What, they don’t even try the feral hog gambit?

  55. 55
    Baud says:

    @germy:

    “Students for Trump” founder named to Cabinet post 

    Future tweet.

  56. 56
    mrmoshpotato says:

    @germy: Keep my city’s name our of your Soviet shitpile mobster conman mouth, Kremlin Barbie!

  57. 57
    Another Scott says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: When he’s done, is he going to have dinner at Alicia’s Restaurante??

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  58. 58
    Another Scott says:

    @Baud: +1.

    They want us to give up and feel powerless. We have to stand up for what’s right and good and not be silenced.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  59. 59
    TS (the original) says:

    @germy: They take anything to court & now have a SCOTUS that will agree with them regardless of the law. Says a lot about their support of trump that they call it defamation.

  60. 60
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Another Scott: No, the Santa Maria Purismo Bar and Grill. (an actual establishment I came across on one of my Mallorcan jaunts)

  61. 61
    Baud says:

    @TS (the original):

    I think that was snark.

  62. 62
    Tata says:

    Postcards To Voters is starting a campaign to get postcards to Dems in Kentucky ahead of Moscow Mitch’s election. Please join up, especially if you’re retired and have time. PTV is looking for new volunteers.

    The current campaign is for Dan McCready. You remember him. He was the guy who would have won the NC congressional race if the Repubs weren’t criming out in the open. Now there’s a special election. Please write postcards with us.

  63. 63
    Dog Mom says:

    I am guessing the easiest photo ops for the White house to push for is with first responders. If I was a hospital admin, I think that I would hire some actors to dress as staff for the photos, then later issue a statement that it was necessary to protect the patients and caregivers from being bullied and used as props in his dog and pony show.

  64. 64
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @TS (the original): @Baud: From the Hill:

    Democratic lawmaker criticized for tweeting names of Trump donors

    No lawsuit for publishing publicly accessible data.

  65. 65
    Kay says:

    @Brachiator:

    I don’t know of course but there was a lot of reporting yesterday that Latinos there are really rattled. They feel targeted. That the shooter traveled there to get them, specifically, which in many ways is worse than a broad “terrorist attack” – they didn’t target a single group of Americans – they hit “Americans”. It’s also true. The shooter did travel there to target them. He didn’t pick a Wal Mart where he lives- he went to where they live. There was commonality with foreign terrorism because we were all targeted. The US. Not true in this case. Just them. So, I feel like the response to Trump is up to them. If it’s not “civil” enough for pundits, well, either is getting slaughtered at a Wal Mart.

  66. 66
    Another Scott says:

    RollCall (from yesterday):

    Protesters chanted “white supremacy has got to go” and “immigrants are welcome here” across from the White House on Tuesday at a rally sparked by mass shootings over the weekend that killed 31 people and injured many more.

    Organized by a coalition of civil rights and gun reform groups, the rally demanded that President Donald Trump stop denigrating immigrants and that the Senate pass gun control legislation, including a bill that passed the House months ago requiring a background check for every gun sale.

    “It’s not Congress, it’s Mitch McConnell in the Senate, representing the special interests of the NRA” that is responsible for inaction on gun control, said Kris Brown, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Other groups involved in the Lafayette Square protest included Voto Latino, the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and Planned Parenthood Action Fund.

    The debate about stricter gun laws was yet again thrust into the forefront of the national conversation after mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, in which nine people were killed, and in El Paso, Texas. The gunman in the El Paso, where 22 were killed, allegedly sought to kill members of the Latino community, according to The New York Times.

    Protesters seeking action on gun control also gathered outside of McConnell’s Louisville, Kentucky, home Monday night where they made loud noises using cowbells and pans. Also on Monday, Rep. Jennifer Wexton appeared at a vigil outside of the Fairfax, Virginia, headquarters of the National Rifle Association to honor the victims of gun violence. The first-year Democrat represents Virginia’s 10th District, which does not include the NRA.

    On Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Sen. Rob Portman said he was wants to work on “red flag” grants to keep guns from those afflicted with mental health challenges. The Ohio Republican, who presided at a “pro forma” Senate session where no work was conducted, said he would be open to considering a bipartisan background check bill that he previously voted against.

    (Emphasis added.)

    Good, good. Even Portman knows that thoughtsandprayers isn’t good enough any more.

    A story on NPR’s ATC yesterday mentioned (near the end of the piece) that the House had already passed two gun control measures, but that the Senate “has not taken them up yet”. McConnell’s name was not mentioned. Hint for NPR: “not taken up” is not the same as “actively blocking”.

    Grrr…

    The only way to get these GOP monsters to act is to make it clear to them that they can’t hide. NPR and the rest of the press needs to stop hiding them in their petticoats. The GOP will try to hide and let the press move on to something else in a week or few. We can’t let them.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  67. 67
    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It is just so funny that the whole “elite” conservative legal justification for gutting campaign finance laws was political speech. It is absolute bedrock conservative dogma that regulations are unnecessary because all one needs is transparent markets.

    Absolutely predictable that they would renege on the “transparency” part :)

    They do it in virtually every instance. We’re told it will be “transparency plus markets” and then they renege on the transparency.

  68. 68
    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Wikileaks did it too. “We don’t need government or rules! Pure transparency!” No one noticed Wikileaks is not transparent.

    It’s a real bait and switch and liberals fall for it with depressing regularity. I personally think it’s cool to say, cool to be in the “information wants to be free!” club. Very lofty and intellectual.

  69. 69
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    It is just so funny…

    Yes, absolutely hilarious, and absurdly comedic that people keep falling for their lies. //

    Sarcasm not meant for you Kay, but our situation. Sarcasm is the last refuge of the hopeless.

  70. 70
    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Then, having insisting “transparency” (for others) was enough, Wikileaks retreated and said “well, actually we’re journalists, so we follow those rules”. What rules are those? No one knows. There are none, really. There are some vague norms that are or are not followed, but nothing actionable or enforceable. Wikileaks gets both sides of that- they get the protections with none of the responsibility.

  71. 71
    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Truth.

  72. 72
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: Yep, they sure did. And “we” did, because it never seems to occur to us that information can be weaponized and if you don’t control it you can’t control where it is aimed.

  73. 73
    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Smart liberals fall for it! People I admire. Kevin Drum bought the bullshit that random IRS employees in Ohio were “targeting” conservative orgs, which was a ridiculous claim on its face and should have required proof.

    Pure invention. They seized on the single word “targeted” and just ran with it. None of it was true. Propublica reported the whole thing out with hundreds of linked documents – a complete debunking- and they ALL ignored it. Their own colleagues! Because it was cool to stand up and say “the state is silencing speech”. Pure bullshit. They were so eager to grandstand they didn’t read anything.

  74. 74
    SRW1 says:

    @JPL:

    So what’s he gonna do? I assume visit those that were injured.

    Not a good idea. Trump has an incredible hard time with anything that requires the ability to empathize with someone other than himself.

  75. 75

    @Kay: I just made more or less that same point to Mr DAW. The Supreme Court ruling claimed transparency would be enough. Money is speech, they said, and you fight speech with more speech. Except we now have an administration that’s telling people to be quiet and threatening them with legal consequences when they’re not.

  76. 76
    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Once our side gets attached to a meme, it’s hard to dislodge.

  77. 77
    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    While talking with my extremely right-wing Dad yesterday, he said something that surprised me.

    We were talking about the shootings last weekend and he said that no one needs to own an assault rifle. 😲

    This shocked me because up until now, he’s been in lockstep with Trump and Fox News.

    Maybe there’s hope for other Trump supporters after all.

  78. 78
    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I was harrassed by a Right wing nutjob at the local bd of elections once. She made a bogus complaint to the Sec of State and said I had not filed something I was supposed to file in a statehouse race. I filed electronically, partly so I could avoid her because she’s a moron. The thing is, the staff lawyers at the Sec of State are career employees and they could not have been more helpful. It was HER. One nutjob who is a weak person and took orders from some county nutjob in the GOP, to her eternal shame. If I were a conservative I would have insisted it was a national plot to silence liberal political speech. And 15 liberal pundits would buy it. Because they’re very brainy and cool.

  79. 79
    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    I feel like the response to Trump is up to them.

    This is true. I totally agree and should have emphasized this more. It’s not about what any poster here thinks their response should be. It’s what they choose.

    Did I see that Beto is having some alternative event?

    There was commonality with foreign terrorism because we were all targeted. The US. Not true in this case. Just them.

    Yes, I saw one of the articles where people said that they feel hunted. And at least one of the people, I think the woman whose infant was injured, was a white woman married to a Hispanic man. I live in California, but I have friends and family in Texas who are Hispanic. Including people in El Paso. So, for me it’s not “Just them.” It’s us.

  80. 80
    Jeffro says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): I don’t think there’s much hope for them, but a) happy to work with them on this one issue and b) c’mon Dem leaders, banning assault weapons and instituting universal background checks is a no-brainer, 90%+ issue. Beat the GOP over the head with it all day every day until they capitulate.

    (I had the same experience with my completely-in-the-tank-for-trumpov/Fox RWNJ dad btw. Sadly, my airquote “libertarian” brother seems to come down on the side of ‘the 2nd Amendment is what it is, says what it says, forever and ever amen’. Which is just weird because he doesn’t own or like guns. But hey “libertarian” consistency, I guess??)

  81. 81
    Jeffro says:

    Never mind…I was typing too fast and entered my email incorrectly…duh…

  82. 82
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Keanu Reeves can do it – how hard can it be

  83. 83
    PPCLI says:

    @Brachiator:

    But I would not want anyone in El Paso to be disrepectful of Trump or do anything else that fools could twist into something that might be used against folks that Trump is already demonizing.

    Yes, if people were disrespectful of Trump in El Paso, he might start describing them as rapists and murderers and as an invasion bringing crime and disease. People may call in his rallies for shooting them, and Trump will joke about it in a way that encourages it. Fox News would amplify this message by repeating it 24/7. That would be terrible, I would hate to see that.

    I would never ask the wounded and injured, or their families, to divert even a nanosecond of time that they need for themselves and use it to protest Trump.

    How thoughtful of you. But nobody is asking the wounded and injured or their families to protest Trump. We understand they deserve a right to grieve and cope in their own preferred way.

    But you are also asking those who would prefer to cope by speaking out angrily to refrain from doing so, which is a very different thing.

  84. 84
    satby says:

    @Brachiator: my cousins were born in Okinawa. They were the biracial offspring of US soldiers and local women and were adopted as infants by my aunt before she married my uncle. They lived in Tucson and were always mistaken for Mexican, so much that they traveled with their birth certificates in the 1970s. These bigots target people who look Hispanic, but lots of people look Hispanic who aren’t at all. Anyone could be a target, and that’s starting to sink in to the dumb fucks who always think “it can’t happen here”. Anybody, anywhere. Especially with dark hair or a tan.

  85. 85
    MattF says:

    OT, somewhat. There’s a new SlateTake on Trump that actually makes some sense- that his eyesight is failing. Yeah, he’s a racist asshole— but in addition to that, he’s at the age where your vision goes bad. And he’s easily vain enough and dumb enough to refuse to do anything for it.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/what-if-donald-trump-is-just-blind.html

  86. 86
    Jeffro says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): I don’t know about there being hope for trumpov supporters, but I’m willing to work with them on this one issue. Two, actually: ban assault weapons and institute universal background checks.

    My RWNJ dad and I have had the same conversation and came to the same agreement, no fuss at all. My airquote “libertarian” brother just can’t bring himself to feel that it’s possible, ever, to have more regulations be a benefit to society…whether that is “libertarian” consistency or just a refusal to admit that the libs are right, I dunno.

  87. 87
    satby says:

    @MattF: I’m a former optician and I don’t even give a fuck. I’m sick of people trying to excuse his behavior (yes, I read the entire article) or explain it. Even the excuses highlight what an unfit for any office POS he is. So he’s too much of an asshole to wear the glasses he needs. WTF media people?

  88. 88
    TS (the original) says:

    @Baud:

    I think that was snark

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    My meter is obviously out of kilter – I wasn’t even surprised that the GOP would do something like this.

  89. 89
    Eunicecycle says:

    My daughter just texted me from Wright Patterson AFB: ” The dumb ass in chief is landing here about 10. Ugh.”

  90. 90
    Brachiator says:

    @PPCLI:

    But you are also asking those who would prefer to cope by speaking out angrily to refrain from doing so, which is a very different thing.

    I kinda amended that. People there will do whatever they will do.

    @satby:
    My ex-wife was often taken to be Armenian or Persian, even by other Armenians and Persians. This was funny until the anti-Muslim bullshit began to flare up.

    I know what you mean. Trump stupidly flirts with hatred. He can’t channel it or control it. We have to vote his ass out of office. And get rid of all the crap that he is trying to do. Otherwise, we might all be consumed.

  91. 91
    germy says:

    @Jeffro: they call them “regulations.” I call them protections.

  92. 92
    Gelfling 545 says:

    @germy: Like master, like man.

  93. 93
    MattF says:

    @satby: I agree, but we are (for now) stuck in this situation.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @TS (the original): It would not surprise me in the least if they passed a law making the publishing of publicly available data illegal. ALEC is probably writing it right now.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud: Agreed. There is no virtue in taking the victim’s defensive crouch, hoping that the abusers will be nice this time, if only we behave well. That’s never worked against bullies and there’s no value or win in worrying about what the haters think. They won’t change. We must act in our own strength.

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    germy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It would not surprise me in the least if they passed a law making the publishing of publicly available data illegal.

    Well not our data. Just their data.

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    Jeffro says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Hasn’t that always been the reasoning on the Right, that unlimited campaign donations are no big deal as long as they’re all transparent (ie, readily available/public)?

    Funny, that.

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: I like “protections”.

    They seem not to understand that as the world gets more and more complex, more and more regulations/protections are going to be necessary. And that’s a GOOD thing. It helps avoid everyone having to write their own individually-contracted understandings of who will do what, and when, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance. Everyone can breathe a little easier, waste a lot less time, etc etc.

    And yet it’s always “less regulation good, more regulation evil” with these clowns.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jeffro: That’s what Kay referred to above: @Kay:

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    tobie says:

    I read somewhere that some of the protests in El Paso today will celebrate Mexican culture. I like this. I’m also enjoying this clapback:

    @BetoORourke
    8h
    22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. El Paso will not be quiet and neither will I.

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    Mike in NC says:

    This morning’s port visit to Edinburgh was cancelled due to weather, we were told. All shore excursions also cancelled. The ship moored in Rosyth and shuttle buses took us to Charlotte Square and we walked around central Edinburgh and shopped until exhausted, then caught a ride back to the ship just in time to avoid the rain. It’s a rough life.

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    J R in WV says:

    Petty certain it is stone illegal to hack servers, steal data, and publish it. Hillary should sue the hell out of Wikileaks, Assange, and Trump, who was the sole beneficiary of the illegal conspiracy.

    Re-bankrupt Trump and the Trump Org again. SPLC has done it with the KKK, Stormfront, etc, and Hillary can do it to Trump!

    And in my experience Hospitals will keep anyone away from patients if the patient or their family request it. I cannot imagine any of the victims want to see Trump. Nor the cops or paramedics, who risk their lives to protect the people Trump puts in danger.

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    catclub says:

    @satby:

    I shut him down with “all countries have the same video games, all countries have mentally ill people, only this country has these slaughters”. He shut up.

    That is really the same as “All countries have sick people, only this country finds a way not to provide healthcare to all of them”

    American exceptionalism, fuck yeah.

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    catclub says:

    @J R in WV:

    Nor the cops or paramedics, who risk their lives to protect the people Trump puts in danger.

    Trump really ONLY wants to visit ‘first responders’. He has no interest in victims or their families. Same with hurricanes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @J R in WV:

    Petty certain it is stone illegal to hack servers, steal data, and publish it. Hillary should sue the hell out of Wikileaks, Assange, and Trump, who was the sole beneficiary of the illegal conspiracy.

    Yes it is, but I don’t think the Russian hackers need fear American prisons. As for wikileaks, Assange, unless there is absolute proof that they financed or directed the hack they will be held blameless just like the NYT was for the Pentagon Papers.

    As far as trump is concerned, same proof required.

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    chopper says:

    @J R in WV:

    exactly.

    publishing illegally-obtained hacked DNC emails? fantastic!
    publishing public FEC donor data? THIS WILL NOT STAND

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @germy: Yeah, this is the RWNJ new talking point. “Yeah, El Paso was bad and all, but LOOK OVER THERE no one’s talking about Chicago, what about Chicago, huh?!”

    It’s so infuriating to me on so many levels, and not just because I used to live there. If you can’t muster up the decency to express any sort of compassion as a response, why the fuck don’t you JUST SHUT UP, you assholes!

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    john b says:

    I’m so proud of Nan Whaley (we sat down with her in 2012 when she was considering her first bid for Mayor) and so sad for my former neighborhood (Oregon District). Dayton has been through a lot in the last month and I hope that they can get through Trump’s visit with their head held high. I think Nan will help them do that.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Petty certain it is stone illegal to hack servers, steal data, and publish it.

    @J R in WV: Depends. Who did the hacking, what got stolen and what got published?

    For example, it is probably not a crime in Russia to hack a foreign server so long as the data that is being stolen doesn’t belong to Putin or the Russian state. Since the Clinton hack was done by Russians, working in Russia, and published by Russians, there were probably no laws broken. Especially if said “hackers” (a term I loathe, as it encompasses both security researchers and criminals) were acting on the orders of the state of Russia, which I’m pretty sure they were.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    If they actually care about these cities why is “Chicago” never uttered except to cite violence?

    But, they don’t care

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    rikyrah says:

    @Another Scott:

    “It’s not Congress, it’s Mitch McConnell in the Senate, representing the special interests of the NRA” that is responsible for inaction on gun control, said Kris Brown, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Say it over and over again.
    IT. IS.NOT.CONGRESS.
    NEVER.WAS.CONGRESS.

    ONLY AND ALWAYS REPUBLICANS.

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    rikyrah says:

    Democratic debate field could get bigger before it gets smaller

    Rachel Maddow looks at the rules the DNC has set for how presidential candidates can qualify to participate in the upcoming primary debates and notes that candidates who don’t make the cut for September may actually have a better chance of qualifying for the October debate.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeffro:

    Just curious. Does your brother believe food inspection regulations are unnecessary?

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    jonas says:

    @waratah: I think talk of Texas going blue or purple in the short run, particularly in a general election, are greatly overblown. But what should worry the Texas GOP is that as they slowly lose their large cities and border districts to the Dems, the state Democratic party is building a bench of experiences pols who, in 5-10 years, along with inevitable demographic changes, *will* seriously threaten to tip Texas into purple/blue territory. How the GOP remains a relevant national party if that happens, I don’t know. Couldn’t happen to better folks.

    In lopsided, (essentially) one-party states like California or Texas, the party out of power tends to stay out of power because they no longer have a deep bench of experienced candidates with name recognition and an operation behind them. At least in Texas, Dems have something to build on. I don’t know what the California GOP will ever do to pull itself out of the hole it’s dug for itself over the past decade.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Baud: Prezactly. I’m prepared to afford him exactly as much respect as he affords the office he’s squatting in – ZERO.

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    Tata says:

    Upthread, I asked you all to join Postcards to Voters to help unseat McConnell, but my comment sat in moderation until conversation passed it by. I’m asking again. Please join up and help, especially if you’re retired and have time. Wish I had more time to devote to the project.

    Question, though: what if the Orange Menace is voted out? His Twitter audience isn’t going anywhere, even if we can prise him out of the WH. Minorities of all sorts won’t be in less danger. What then?

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    EthylEster says:

    @Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): McMeghan has an interesting editorial in WaPo today that differs from her usual crap. Tiny steps, maybe. For me personally, I am now in the “Take their fucking guns” camp.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-conservatives-want-to-keep-their-guns-theyre-going-to-have-to-find-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings/2019/08/06/351bb9a4-b88a-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mike in NC:

    This morning’s port visit to Edinburgh was cancelled due to weather

    That is the quintessential Scottish experience!

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    Ruckus says:

    @satby:
    He’s been the same asshole his entire life. He’s such a narcissist that he was never going to be anything other than what you see is what you get. Also I’d bet that it is tough to read much as the light where his head is always located is probably rather dim, which goes well with what’s inside it.

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