Special Counsel Mueller’s Testimony Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Live Stream

Here’s the live stream of Special Counsel Mueller testifying before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Just a quick note about all the hot takes on how Special Counsel Mueller performed this morning to keep in mind as he testifies this afternoon:

Mueller was, and will be again this afternoon, the quintessential example of a career DOJ official. He says no more than he feels he should and that’s it. He also now has serious old man voice. Together this presents as visually reticent to befuddled, but it isn’t. You’ll notice when he’s had his team’s integrity impugned, he’s been more animated. No disrespect to Jeremy Bash, but he’s a political appointee, not someone whose made a career in National Security positions of different types. His understanding and approach and expectation of how you respond to these things is different than the one Mueller learned and has abided by during his long career first as a civil servant and then as an appointed senior leader. And Frank Figliuzzi’s explanation of this reality was spot on. The news media screaming that he didn’t give them the juicy media clips they want is just garbage. Finally, this format that the committee’s use for these hearings wasn’t and isn’t designed to actually produce detailed, delineated, thoughtful responses. If the Democrats on the committee, or Democrats in Congress, or anyone else wanted that, then committee counsel should have been given the first two hours, 1/2 hours each rotation for the Democratic and Republican counsels, to ask appropriate questions and elicit detailed answers in follow ups. The final hour to 90 minutes could be reserved for individual member questions. Optimally, the whole hearing would have been done by the committee counsel and the members would have sat there and taken notes.

Open thread!

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  1. 1
    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Nash geroi Nunes govorit. Kakaia khuinia.

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    Elizabelle says:

    And we’re back.

    Nunes is up. You have to watch for yourself. I cannot keep up with his lying and hyperbolizing. He certainly led off with a bang.

    Called it the last gasp for Democrats, or something along those lines.

    What a fucker.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    “Salacious”! Pee-pee tape!

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    Elizabelle says:

    I am turning this on mute. I would rather read Nunes’ performance drama later. Will not give him my ears.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Steele was “desperate that Trump lose the election”


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    zhena gogolia says:

    “his lover” DRINK!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Again I say, Mifsud is in Gym Jordan’s basement.

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    Soprano2 says:

    Boy, Nunes is getting in all the Republican’s greatest hits, isn’t he?

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    Elizabelle says:

    His lips are moving, but I cannot hear him. And I don’t read lips.

    Nunes gets the Trump treatment. I hope that means long prison terms for both of them. (Although I meant: hit the mute when they open their mouths.)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    The Democrats colluded with Russia to lose the election!!!!

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    marion says:

    Schiff’s opening statement was eloquent. Should be required reading.

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    patrick II says:

    How was the questioning parsed out during the WaterGate hearings?

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    Tinare says:

    @zhena gogolia: Seriously. This is the craziest talking point of this whole thing.

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    Soprano2 says:

    “Benghazi” Nunes has no room at all to talk about fantasies!

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    TenguPhule says:


    Nunes is up. You have to watch for yourself.

    I’m fairly sure none of us have done you wrong enough to deserve that.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @patrick II:

    How was the questioning parsed out during the WaterGate hearings?

    I understand they used genuine real lawyers back then to ask the questions.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) Tweeted:
    Here we go. Mainstream news pundits are talking about Mueller being old and boring. Bad TV. Media critics completely ignoring the fact that a president was caught dead-to-rights obstructing justice and a party is undermining national security. https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/1154065683849842689?s=17

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    Elizabelle says:

    Schiff to Zebley: “There is an angry man down the street who is not happy about you being here today.”

    LOL. This after Nunes huffs that Zebley will be getting no questions from the GOP members.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @TenguPhule: LOL. True. Have to be selective about which of these weasels get our ears.

    Hearing upthread that Brian Williams is on the permaweasel list.

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    lamh36 says:

    I’m know fan of Mueller, but I think he did fine.

    Some Folks, especially Dems need to stop playing the GOP game of making Mueller seems like some doddering ole dude.

    I know we are disappointed in his report but some folks are projecting their own anger and disappointment and letting it color the substance that coming from this hearing.

    Folk gotta focus on that and not playing the media and punditry game to minimize what Mueller said pretty strongly

    Besides GOP got no sound bites to take home, but the Dems did…I mean thx to GOP Rep Buck, we got Mueller on the record confirming they yes the Pres vomited obstruction and the only reason he didn’t charge cuss did the sitting Prez memo, but once out Chump CAN be charged

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    This is so frustrating. The investigation didn’t find no evidence of conspiracy with Russia, it found insufficient evidence to charge. That means, it found evidence, just not enough.

    And while the investigation was unable to find sufficient evidence of conspiracy, it did find plenty of evidence of obstruction of justice. Logically, the reason why the conspiracy evidence was insufficient is because of the successful obstruction of the investigation by Trump, which he would have been charged with if he was anything other than the POTUS.

    Seriously, not fucking rocket science.

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    grubert says:

    With the kind of vitriol the Republicans are pouring out, I can completely understand that Robert Mueller would not want his face speaking certain words going viral across mainstream and social media.

    He has a healthy sense of self-preservation.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    The investigation didn’t find no evidence of conspiracy with Russia, it found insufficient evidence to charge. That means, it found evidence, just not enough.

    I blame television and movies for convincing the general public that this means the perp is not guilty, not just really good at not getting caught.

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    Martin says:

    @TenguPhule: Which is what they should have done here.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    He just walked back what he said to Lieu.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    This is the part Mueller’s really into.

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    Mueller sounds much better in this hearing, is answering more quickly. Looks like a smaller room, probably better for his hearing.

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    Martin says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    The investigation didn’t find no evidence of conspiracy with Russia, it found insufficient evidence to charge.

    That’s not correct either. It said it was immaterial to find that evidence because the president cannot be charged, per OLC memo.

    Congressman Ted Lieu, elicited a three-word bombshell. “The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC [Office of Legal Counsel] opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?” “That is correct,” Mueller said.

    That’s the ballgame. Mueller went into this knowing he couldn’t charge, so why waste time building a case there? So he didn’t.

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    jl says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: ” it found insufficient evidence to charge”

    That is a key point, but just that standard, alone, doesn’t mean much on its own. Insufficient evidence for what? Maybe it means something to lawyers, but of IANAL me, I think I need some context. IANAL me has been going on the assumption that the phrase refers to charge for conviction for violating a criminal statute in a court of law. Point needs to be made that is a high standard and reduces Trumpsters’ defense to “Well, hey, he didn’t violate any laws, so Trump’s behavior is fine’. Most people would not tolerate that standard of conduct with people they deal with in their personal lives. So what does that say about Trump’s conduct as president? Would you accept that standard for your significant other, neighbor, friend, or person who mows your lawn? Person who does your taxes?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Mueller: “It is not a witch hunt.”

    Maybe that’s a clear enough statement for some highly paid MSNBC hacks. And Mags Haberman.

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    misterpuff says:

    @rikyrah: Pundits: “Old News. Worse, Boring News” “We want a caning, is that too much to ask for?”

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    TenguPhule says:


    Which is what they should have done here.

    I won’t disagree with you.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    And that is how it’s done.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Nunes is up. Bathroom break. Make yourselves that tea or coffee you desire.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Mueller: “It is not a witch hunt.”

    Maybe that’s a clear enough statement for some highly paid MSNBC hacks. And Mags Haberman.

    My, you’re feeling overly optimistic today. //

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I lived through Watergate. There was lots of questioning by House members. I remember Weicker distinctly.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Person who does your taxes?

    Lots of people actually do look for that in a tax preparer. Which is why they usually wind up going to prison eventually.

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    @patrick II:

    How was the questioning parsed out during the WaterGate hearings?

    I understand they used genuine real lawyers back then to ask the questions.

    Well, to be fair, many of the elected US Reps and US Senators in those hearings were genuine real lawyers, as is true in our current Congress.

    You’re right, though! There were lawyers on staff who conducted a lot of the questioning. Samuel Dash, the chief counsel on the Democratic staff of the Senate Watergate Committee, wrote a book about his experience, which I read recently and found very interesting.

    “Chief Counsel: Inside the Ervin Committee – the Untold Story of Watergate” by Samuel Dash, Random House, 1976.

    I’ve also been reading biographies of Barbara Jordan recently. Now there’s a genuine real lawyer! If her health had permitted, she might have made it onto the Supreme Court.

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    grubert says:

    Nunes: “with an unlimited budget.”

    Mueller: “I would not say we had an unlimited budget.”

    Nunes is working way too hard..

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Why is Boris Johnson on the screen?

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    Soprano2 says:

    What the fuck is Nunes talking about?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Nice. Photo of Mifsud with Boris Johnson. Timely. Two untrustworthy wankers. What’s yer point, Nunes?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @zhena gogolia: Half of the House Members asking questions were not bugfuck insane Nazi zombies during Watergate.

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    trollhattan says:

    “Despite its not being a ‘witch hunt’ we found a significant number of witches.”

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    Doug R says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Why is Boris Johnson on the screen?

    Could you get any more Russian troll than the name Boris Johnson?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Why is Boris Johnson on the screen?

    To prove God is dead.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Google Translate chokes on “Kakaia khuinia.” Translation?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Elizabelle: Why is Nunes trying to emphasize the way the Russians promoted Brexit and Brexiteers?

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    @Soprano2: Mueller said in his opening statement that he wouldn’t address the counterintel investigation before he joined it. That’s all Nunes is asking about.

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    plato says:

    HPSCI Committee Chairman @RepAdamSchiff is now delivering his opening statement: "This also a story about money, about greed and corruption, about the leadership of a campaign willing to compromise the nation's interest not only to win, but to make money at the same time." pic.twitter.com/kCML3wxZL9— Emma Loop (@LoopEmma) July 24, 2019

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    zhena gogolia says:


    What a load of horseshit.

    Literally dick-ery.

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    misterpuff says:

    @zhena gogolia: Lowell Weicker was a Senator during Watergate. I was a junior in high school.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Doug R:

    Could you get any more Russian troll than the name Boris Johnson?

    Edward Snowden.

    Donald Trump.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I guess that’s why I had no idea what he was talking about. It sounded like a bunch of conspiracy theory gobbledygook to me.

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    trollhattan says:

    You know who, who’s definitely not watching, Twatted this anyway:

    I would like to thank the Democrats for holding this morning’s hearing. Now, after 3 hours, Robert Mueller has to subject himself to #ShiftySchiff – an Embarrassment to our Country!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Soprano2: It’s terrifying that a compleat hack like Nunes had so much oversight of intelligence activities. He is horrible.

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    trollhattan says:

    Wouldn’t that have been something. Justice Jordan in lieu of Justice Thomas. Discuss.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @trollhattan: I’m not watching, cause I got stuff to do, but before I go do it

    Josh Marshall @ joshtpm
    Schiff is so good at this he’s making Mueller more lucid.

    Go Schiff or go home basically.

    I’d say Marshall and trump (his lizard brain survival instinct) are watching the same thing from different angles

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    Elizabelle says:

    @trollhattan: Shifty Schiff.

    Agree. What a twat. Twatwaffle, right?

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    Yutsano says:

    @TenguPhule: @zhena gogolia: My brain recognized it as Hawai’ian for some reason. Even with the KH in there.

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    jl says:

    If I were a Congresscritter some questions I want Mueller to answer:

    1) What standard did you you use to determine sufficiency of evidence, was it conviction of violation of a criminal statute?
    2) If the answer to the above is yes, and you determined at the outset that you would not charge the president with a crime, why was that high standard of evidence relevant? Was this your decision or did you feel this was the standard mandated by your description of work?
    3) Why did you use the word ‘unconstitutional’ to describe the OLC opinion? SCOTUS hasn’t ruled on it, right?
    and probably a question that should be asked, but too snarky:
    4) To what extent are you being so circumspect in your public statements and testimony because you feel bound by your position, and to what extend is it the feeling that you can’t do the whole goddamned job yourself?

    OK, final question:
    5) is it true that you contacted the corrupt malfeasant toad Barr, who should be impeached, to ask him to publish a document instructing you to limit your testimony? That seems odd given that you would not be legally bound by such an instruction?

    I think question 2 is important. It seems to IANAL me that issue is striking inconsistency in the logic of what Mueller did. Or maybe there is a non-sequitur in the logic of the standards of evidence used in reporting the conclusions. That question has bugged me for a while.

    But IANAL, so maybe someone can enlighten me on these points.

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    TenguPhule says:


    It’s terrifying that a compleat hack like Nunes had so much oversight of intelligence activities. He is horrible.

    One of the biggest disappointments that Mueller gave us was that he never brought charges against Nunes for leaking information to Trump at the Whitehouse when the dirty fucker was caught red handed.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    Okay, I just got here — spent the morning at a conference about local housing by options for people with disability.

    In 25 words or less, what have I missed?

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    Elizabelle says:

    It’s Ratcliffe again. (And the Democrat immediately prior, whose name I did not get, just asked if Mueller was asked to leave anything out of his report, and then ceded his time.)

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Ohio Mom: On second thought, after a quick look at the thread before this one, I think I catch up.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Mueller won’t say anything unless it’s already in the report. This is what we’ve expected. Democrats use their time to read passages from the report, Repub’s are pretty much Strzok-Page all the time.

    The media thinks Mueller is boring. They’re not interested in the substance of what’s being discussed.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    In 25 words or less, what have I missed?

    Republicans behaving badly. Democrats trying to get a straight answer. Mueller speaks softly.

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    plato says:

    A moment that will be replayed:Schiff: "Well, your investigation is not a witch hunt, is it?"Mueller: "It is not a witch hunt."Schiff: "When the president said the Russian interference was a hoax, that was false wasn't it?"Mueller: "True."Via ABC pic.twitter.com/1YaY1RPz54— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 24, 2019

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    Elizabelle says:

    @TenguPhule: That is almost haiku.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Yutsano: The trouble with transliterated Cyrillic, because we can’t use the real thing here.

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    Soprano2 says:

    Boy, they sure are obsessed with that FISA warrant, aren’t they? Do they remember that Page had left the campaign by the time of the warrant?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    It cracks me up when they refer to the Russian “Crown Prosecutor.” What Crown?

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    reid says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Chuck Rosenberg defines unexciting but important.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Just tried again — Cyrillic comments don’t get posted.

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    @TenguPhule: It isn’t like there was no evidence to convict OJ Simpson of murdering his wife – there was just insufficient evidence for that particular jury to convict Simpson,

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    TenguPhule says:


    Do they remember that Page had left the campaign by the time of the warrant?

    Republicans: “Don’t try to confuse us with facts!”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Trying to frame a guilty man didn’t help either.

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    MrSnrub says:


    Republicans behaving badly. Democrats trying to get a straight answer. Mueller speaks softly.

    Worst haiku ever.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Christ, what an asshole

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    Soprano2 says:

    @TenguPhule: This drives me absolutely crazy! Every time they say the FBI was spying on Trump through Page I wish someone would say “But hadn’t Page left the campaign by then?”

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    donnah says:

    My representative, Mike “Asshole” Turner, is mincing legal terms. Jeezus.


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    Vidya Pradhan says:

    @Elizabelle: I’m embarrassed for California.

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    Wouldn’t that have been something. Justice Jordan in lieu of Justice Thomas. Discuss.

    I’d rather not. Counterfactuals, as President Truman said (apologies, I’m paraphrasing), are a waste of time.

    Former Congresswoman Jordan did, however, teach ethics at the University of Texas in Austin, training up a new generation of genuine real lawyers; and she inspired many, in Texas and out of it, to run for office and serve their country as she did.

    She was a great American patriot. May her memory live on.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Turner sounds like an Animal House speech.

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    grubert says:

    Can there be a weaker attack then to go on about Mueller not having the “power to exonerate?” Michael Turner (R-Ohio)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    God, Dostoevsky wrote about this kind of assholery in The Brothers Karamazov. “There was no money. There was no robbery. There was no murder either!”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @donnah: Case-Western wants its law degree back.

    And that stunt of going to Mueller’s (!) law school and copying the law book he presumably studied … these people are nuts.

    It tells us, though, what bothers Trump and his GOP lizard brain weasels. No exoneration.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Soprano2: They’ve learned that bald faced lies mean nothing because nobody in the fucking media is gonna hold the Republicans responsible for anything they say.

    Only long term negative reinforcement can put a stop to this.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    It was snark, since I assume UVA is a higher-rated law school than Case Western.
    “See, I just went to Case Western, but I know law better than you!”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @zhena gogolia: We are speaking of Mr. Turner, of Ohio?

    Why yes. Yes, he is.

    All these GOP Buckeye State assholes are Example A of why Ohio should not necessarily be considered a swing state candidate anymore. Especially with voter suppression in the cities.

    Poor Kay.

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    Fleeting Expletive says:

    What was that whole existential debate about “exonerate”? He sorta hinted at a shadow of a real point, like guilty doesn’t mean innocent? I’m not sure his blow landed.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I loved that — “I’m not saying it’s not true, but I can’t agree with it.”

    No non-lawyer can understand that.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Another white guy Republican from Ohio on the Intel Committee! What, did they colonize it?

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    plato says:

    Robert Mueller confirmed that President Trump asked staff to falsify records relevant to the investigation https://t.co/wH68HvPW29 pic.twitter.com/ptraemjHJB— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) July 24, 2019

    This is the kind of actual news that's happening this morning.#MuellerTestimony https://t.co/9znNzzcIBY— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) July 24, 2019

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    Mike in DC says:

    Could they ask a question about kompromat, whether any information was uncovered regarding this, if it had been what would have been done with that info? I know Mueller will largely shine it on, but the follow up question would have been under whose purview that would fall.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @plato: Republicans and Media: “This is fine.”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Not watching the testimony live, but these two clips — Schiff’s statement in the first and his questions and Mueller’s responses in the second — seem like the whole ball of wax:

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    Elizabelle says:

    Brad Wenstrup. This guy is an absolute snake.

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    TenguPhule says:

    “Which presidential candidate was Russia’s hacking-and-dumping scheme intended to benefit?” asked representative Jim Himes, a Democrat from Connecticut.

    Mueller replied, “Mr. Trump.”

    If Democrats don’t run this clip for the next 15 months, they should fire all their consultants for political malpractice.

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    Haroldo says:


    I think ‘Poor Kay’, ‘Poor Ohio-Mom’, and ‘Poor Ohio-anybody’ these days. Actually I started thinking that a long time ago.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Jackie Speier, up to deodorize the room.

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    TenguPhule says:


    This guy is an absolute snake.

    Serpentes legal counsel on line two complaining about defamation.

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    I ask, with the greatest respect for folks who like to employ the term(s), that we cease to use terms for women’s body parts to describe things we think are bad. Thank you.
    (I know I’m tediously repetitive about this. Language has power.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @H.E.Wolf: And it was Minority Counsel, J. Fred Thompson, who asked the key question of Alexander Butterfield that elicited the answer that there were White House tapes of Nixon’s conversations.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Bernard Madoff, who fleeced investors of billions of dollars in the largest Ponzi scheme in history, has filed a petition with the US justice department asking Donald Trump to reduce Madoff’s sentence.

    This fucking timeline.

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    SFAW says:


    Shifty Schiff.

    Assuming we are rid of the Traitor-in-Chief before I die, one of the (minor) things I will be extremely happy to see gone is his stupid fucking name-calling. I think if people started doing that to him — “Hey, Dickless Donnie the Dumbass Deadbeat, how many more moronic lies did you tell today?” — he’d have a stroke.

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    Barbara says:

    @H.E.Wolf: Thanks for taking up my lonely and seemingly futile quest on this point. I hope your efforts get more traction than mine have. At least it’s not routine here.

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    Yutsano says:

    @TenguPhule: Think more professional courtesy. Since some consider the legal profession rather serpentine because of the less than upstanding members.

    And I say this as someone who has been told on multiple occasions I’d make a really good attorney.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Doug R:

    “Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson” sounds more Russian, albeit in a pre-Communist way.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Mueller has over and over again in his testimony emphasized that he did not consider it his team’s responsibility to determine whether Trump obstructed justice.

    Instead, Mueller laid out several instances in his report that may constitute obstruction of justice and left the decision up to Congress. He has also repeatedly emphasized that, in accordance with Justice Department policy, he did not believe he had the ability to indict a sitting president.

    His integrity is unquestioned, his common sense though….

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    plato says:

    Speier: "Would you agree that it was not a hoax that the Russians were engaged in trying to impact our election?"

    Mueller: "Absolutely. It was not a hoax."— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 24, 2019

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    eric says:

    @Barbara: you have succeeded in me using certain words MUCH less than I used to (i cannot guarantee complete compliance)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: Ratcliffe, like Nunes, is auditioning for Director of National Intelligence if Coats gets forced out.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Verizon is having some major internet outages for cell service. Perhaps it’s purposeful.

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    jl says:

    @TenguPhule: Exception that proves the rule!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @reid: I remember the one time on air during Wallace’s show when he cracked a joke. His facial expression and the tone, timber, and pitch of his phone never changed.

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    Elizabelle says:

    It’s terrifying hearing these Republican congressmen. Many of them have legal training. They are lawless. They obfuscate. They thunder on the wrong points.

    This recent one, going after Mueller’s office for the leak of the letter to AG Barr (I think, was listening with half an ear). It’s insane, since the Mueller investigation was conducted leaklessly UNTIL the Attorney General got out there, misrepresenting and lying about its work and conclusions.

    They frighten me. They are that depraved and dishonest.

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    grubert says:

    Nunes volunteered or was assigned to the GPS/Steele/Clinton conspiracy .. his questions are just excuses to catapult that propaganda.

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    SenyorDave says:

    @Elizabelle: They frighten me. They are that depraved and dishonest.
    And 40%+ of Americans buy into their rhetoric. Trump’s attacks on the media as the “enemy of the people” worked to perfection, from his point of view.

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    Elizabelle says:

    “The Clinton campaign’s dirty ops arm.” Really, Mr. Nunes?

    After speaking a few minutes earlier of the Democrat National Committee.

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    Leto says:

    At physical therapy so following the Intel portion here.

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    Immanentize says:

    Are terms for male body parts as negatives still available for use?

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    sukabi says:

    @SFAW: yes, but he wouldn’t stroke out until AFTER he’d displayed his tiny shroom for all to see.

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    Immanentize says:

    The Mayor: “Is that true?”
    Dr. Venkman: “Yes, this man has no dick.”

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    Yutsano says:

    @Leto: Oh you gotta love long term professional torture eh? The general rule of thumb is it takes about a month to recover from one week in a hospital bed. Plus you probably have other deficits to overcome as well. Good luck!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Elizabelle: Nunes has gotta bring up Hillary, or his cow will kick him out of bed tonight.

    I thought this was universal knowledge.

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    Immanentize says:

    Just call him “Sasha” and find out.

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    Plato says:

    Wow. Mueller suggests there is in fact evidence that Manafort met with Assange before WikiLeaks published hacked emails pic.twitter.com/JkgdlIQlB3— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 24, 2019

    Yet another russian stooge gets revealed.

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    reid says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Any drier and he would turn to a pile of ash! I respect him tremendously but I’m not sure I could work with someone that humorless (despite him allegedly telling a joke at one point).

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Immanentize: Walter Peck: “Jeez!”

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    Immanentize says:

    I’ve been crazy busy … in fact in a waiting room right now. Are you at B&W Friday? Try jpokorak at that Google mail thingy….

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    sukabi says:

    @Plato: thought that bit of info (Assange / Manafort /Wikileaks / Russians) came out a week or so ago, without much comment.

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    Renie says:

    It makes me aggravated the media talking about how ‘boring’ the hearing is and how Mueller appears blah. The guy is 74 years old and he is being asked questions about a 22 month investigation that resulted in a report over 400 pages. No one would be able to remember everything. He’s a lawyer who answers the question. He’s not a politician that spins everything. Yes I wish he would contradict the conspiracy theories the GOP members talk about but that’s not part of his role. If we didn’t have a media that treats news like a ‘twitter’ show Americans would be more inclined to pay better attention.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am now rooting more for Coats.

    I would not think Nunes is confirmable. (Is it a position that requires confirmation?) Ratcliffe is less obviously batshit.

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    Steeplejack says:

    OT: Scotian has updated his GoFundMe page (currently at C$12,405) with a much more detailed account of his situation.

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    HRA says:

    Nunes did not get what he was digging for moments ago from Mueller. Good job, Mueller!

    I did not get into the previous discussion on time and I want to address my own personal opinion.
    I did not read the Mueller report. I went to my usual places to get my information about it. I believe Nadler’s hearing was very educational in that it even gave a close Trump voter to personally the opportunity to express a liking to it. In addition, I believe we are closer to impeachment now.

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    @reid: A friend worked for him. She says he’s not a people person.

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    Elizabelle says:

    They’re back. Eric Swalwell up.

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    HRA says:

    Yuk Sorry for that messed up sentence and fear trying to go back to fix it on my new desk top.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steeplejack: “Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson” sounds more Russian, albeit in a pre-Communist way.

    sounds like a name Mel Brooks came up with for a cameo role by Zero Mostel in that scene in Blazing Saddles

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    Barbara says:

    @eric: Thanks! Did you see my response to your comments on Medicare Advantage cost sharing the other day?

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    Steeplejack says:


    I did not know that. I know he wrote some other books, most of them apparently out of print. I’d like to find that one Separate Lifetimes, but not for 80 bucks!

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    Barbara says:

    @Immanentize: I personally avoid using them in that manner. I am an equal opportunity prig in that regard.

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    reid says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I am not surprised. Can’t imagine him going out for beers with the gang.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @reid: I worked for a retired ambassador that has the same dry wit and permanent poker face. He has an excellent sense of humor and was a great boss and remains a great friend and colleague. You’d be amazed what becomes apparent in day today events.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Steeplejack: Scotian does not owe us one word of explanation.

    I think we should make financial support of Siobhan an ongoing campaign, for as long as she needs it.

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    eric says:

    @Immanentize: i sent something into the ether!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: from his podcast, I get the impression that Rosenberg is an old-fashioned gentleman with a lot of friends, at least enough to do a dozen podcasts with (former) high-ranking officials of the DoJ and the national security establishment

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    Are terms for male body parts as negatives still available for use?

    Availability for use is always 100% yes for every word in every language. Recommended for use is another matter, as we all know, which is why (for example) the N word is considered inappropriate for use in most situations.

    As for using terms for male body parts in a derogatory context, I try to refrain from using them that way. There are occasions when I need almost superhuman self-control so to refrain. But not at the present moment. :-)

    Off-topic: sending good thoughts to you and your son. May all be well.

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    eric says:

    @Barbara: i did not oof

    and I preach to the unwashed that they too should change their fucking vocabulary

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    Steeplejack says:


    I think of it as his testament.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: Coats has done a good job. It is a largely thankless position.

    Nunes’ problem will be because of serious counterintelligence concerns regarding his disclosure of classified and/or proprietary US government information to Portuguese and Azorean officials that he is likely disqualified from being granted a clearance. The only reason he has access now is because he’s the ranking member of HPSCI.

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    Soprano2 says:

    Joseph Misfud is not at the center of the special counsel investigation. LOL

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And it was Minority Counsel, J. Fred Thompson, who asked the key question of Alexander Butterfield that elicited the answer that there were White House tapes of Nixon’s conversations.

    Thank you for the reminder! I’d forgotten that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steeplejack: No one deserves to have this many bad things happen to them in short order.

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    bluefish says:

    Delurking to say yes to all you wrote. Straight up! Thank you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Elizabelle: He did a good job.

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    Scotian says:

    Well this has not been dull. The dems did well I’d say. It will be interesting to track the media ripples and “expert analysis” for the rest of the day. I’m glad I held on long enough to see this day. We have much to chew over for the rest of the day and I look forward to being a part of that here as much as my meds let me. This sort of thing is one of the reasons I stayed here over the last 2 years in regards to getting my intellect fed in these days of intellectual dishonesty and wastelands.

    Yet another reason to sing/howl like a jackel all right.

    David Macdonald

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Rutger Hauer has died. “I’ve seen things…”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Scotian: Lovely to have you here. I wish your time would be long enough to see Trump and crew get their just desserts.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Adam L Silverman: He did. Am happy to see him dedicating his full efforts to being a House member. It is plenty important. Go Mr. Swalwell.

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    Elizabelle says:

    The WaPost right now, huge headline:

    Mueller on Trump’s WikiLeaks praise: ‘Problematic is an understatement’

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    Elizabelle says:

    Will Hurd, come join the Democratic party. You can name what kind of [blue] dog you would like to be.

    Not following the GOP Kool Aid line of questioning. Good on him.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Adam L Silverman:


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    Steeplejack says:


    Just deserts.

    Aw, hell, screw it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @ MattOswaltVA
    the Mueller Hearings feels like watching Wheel of Fortune where the puzzle is completely solved but contestants keep guessing letters

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    reid says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, I’ve never met Rosenberg, so I’m just reading him from his TV appearances. It’s hard to distinguish between no sense of humor and a very, very dry sense of humor. I would have no trouble working with the latter.

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    I join Barbara (and perhaps others) in thanking you!

    @eric: :

    Hee hee! In the years when I was teaching theatre students, I grew very tired of the “party pieces” full of Bad Words. Bless their hearts, they thought it was so transgressive… but I always thought of the 1960s-era comment by Jean Kerr, from her essay on theatre in her book “Penny Candy”:

    “I do not like to hear the most explicit four-letter words spoken from the stage because I number among my acquaintances persons of such candor and quick temper that, for me, the thrill is gone.”

    And now, I love you all, and I have GOT to quit chatting and get some work done.

    ETA: fixed my error in the placement of eric’s comments.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Steeplejack: Mmmmm dry sand pie with a scoop of sandy sand

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    SFAW says:


    until AFTER he’d displayed his tiny shroom for all to see.

    Not a price I’m yet willing to pay.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @reid: My former boss is actually hilarious. And when he needs to, he can employ that humor to cut someone to shreds while appearing to simply be polite. I watched him do that to Susan McManus, now professor emiritus of political science at USF and full time Bush family retainer and catspaw in Florida, at the Florida Political Science Association banquet in 2003. If she could have left the room, I think she would have. But she couldn’t so she had to sit there and take it as he slowly, publicly, and with a twinkle in his eye and a wry smile, he rhetorically eviscerated and then flayed her for all in attendance.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mrmoshpotato: I was thinking “wait! I did not pie him!”

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @sukabi: Leave Toad out of this. What’s he ever do to you? 😁

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    Steeplejack says:


    Just feeling triggered today because I keep seeing “Woah!” and realize that 50,000 teenage illiterates on the Web can make anything a thing.

    (Woah up to 37.7 million hits and gaining on whoa at 54.9 million hits.)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Elizabelle: Hahaha.

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    @Toocananj says:


    Delurking to agree with you. Hard to believe it needs to be said. And said again.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Steeplejack: I gather there’s an online argument about the spelling of “woah.” If not, I’m massively confused.

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    satby says:

    @Steeplejack: 😵😂😘
    It’s a dirty job….
    And autocorrect is part of the increase in misuse I bet. I type the correct word and seldom catch that autocorrect has exchanged it for a homonym.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    The usual catch-22 they keep playing. Trump refused to talk to them, so it’s somehow damaging to their report that they didn’t talk to him.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Wait, is this guy a Democrat?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Oh, okay, he’s a Rethug.

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    A Good Woman says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am so going to miss Hauer.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Oops, no he’s a Democrat. Not coming through clearly what he’s trying to establish.

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    geg6 says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Really a great actor. Most memorable for me are Blade Runner (of course), The Hitcher and Escape from Sobibor (a tv movie). But he was in lots of stuff and almost unfailingly excellent. RIP.

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    @Leto: Good to see you here! I haven’t been around much, so I’ve probably missed your return by many, many weeks. <3

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    @Scotian: And always so glad to see your nym pop up!

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    Elizabelle says:

    Rep. Val Demings: Could you say the President was credible?

    Mueller: I cannot answer that.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    I just read that he improvised that speech Adam posted above… My goodness.

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    trollhattan says:

    Woah, what is it good foah?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @trollhattan: Absolutely muffins!

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    Elizabelle says:

    I wonder if this is the last time Robert Mueller will testify before Congress.

    What say you jackals?

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    @Adam L Silverman: Did he drive a beat up old red pickup? That J. Fred Thompson?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Whoa is the word. Woah is the “alternative” that sprang up on line.

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    Inventor says:

    @geg6: I once sat across the aisle from him on a flight from L.A. to Amsterdam. Although I’ve forgotten why, I got upgraded to 1st Class on the KLM flight. He was a very large man. RIP.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @trollhattan: You’re wrong for that.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Today it was 75 degrees outside. Maybe the first day all month when it wasn’t in the 90s with massive humidity, so I did a few hours of long overdue yard work. Will crack a beer and catch up on the hearing before dinner.

    Rutger Hauer was only 75 years old. No details about COD yet. Perfect in ‘Blade Runner’.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I thought Adam Schiff’s last questions about Trump’s Trump Tower building plans were weak. How would Mueller know that?

    But a good hearing. Mueller was more expansive in the afternoon.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Mr. Zebley never got to open his mouth.

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    Leto says:

    @Yutsano: Long term is the proper term. 1 week = 1 month? So I have… (checks the math, carries the 1, pulls out his toes…) more time to go. Check! :)

    @TaMara (HFG): It’s ok! I’ve actually been limiting my online time, like yourself, for sanity reasons. Pacing and all. Catching up on a ton of books, rewatching Downton Abbey for September’s movie premier, spending time with friends… we’ve a long way to go and we all need to be rested. :) <3

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    Hoodie says:

    @Elizabelle: The point of those questions was Schiff was exploring the logical extension of what Mueller had already agreed with, a bigger picture of Trump as a lying, greedy shitbag who would sell out his country for money and power. He got Mueller going on the whole duty, honor, country thing and made a pretty good run with it. There is a lot of good video of those strings of questions in which Mueller is eagerly agreeing with what Schiff is saying.

    Generally, I’m glad that they did Part II of the report this morning, because that deals more with technical legal issues and all the Democrats were trying to do there was laying out the elements of the crime, somewhat like an arraignment. There can be more testimony on those issues in an impeachment inquiry. Part I really raises the more central issues, and because it was not strictly about legal findings, Mueller was a little freer to editorialize.

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    lurker dean says:

    mueller begging not to let the problem linger. hmmm, wonder what he means.

    Mueller is asked what he wants the American people to get out his reportHe calls it "a signal, a flag, to those of us who have some responsibility in this area, to exercise those responsibilities swiftly and don't let this problem continue to linger" https://t.co/vfH5a3U30H pic.twitter.com/xeqAsevaXE— CBS News (@CBSNews) July 24, 2019

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    Eolirin says:

    @lurker dean: Given the context of the surrounding questions, he’s talking about the cyberwarfare and psyops attacks on the election system, specifically.

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    @West of the Rockies:

    I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like… tears in rain. (smile) Time to die. (let go of dove)

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Elizabelle: If/when impeachment gets rolling, he’ll be back. But those will likely be closed sessions, since he and others will be speaking to the redacted portions of the report.

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    eemom says:

    @lurker dean:

    mueller begging not to let the problem linger. hmmm, wonder what he means.

    Apropos, I am sharing this outstanding piece about Pelosi and impeachment that came out today for the few non plant-brains who continue to comment here.

    #screaminghordes #sooooootired

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lurker dean: “a signal, a flag, to those of us who have some responsibility in this area, to exercise those responsibilities swiftly and don’t let this problem continue to linger”

    odd phrasing, frankly, from a guy who dragged out the negotiations for his appearance and when in doubt showed deference to a corrupt, dishonest executive who has invited increase foreign intervention in upcoming elections

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    Yutsano says:

    @trollhattan: You go to your room right now and you think about what you just did mister!*

    *what you just did is give me giggle fits at work. Bastage. :P

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @eemom: Your ongoing insults are not helping your argument.

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    lurker dean says:

    @Eolirin: i’m not sure about that. he is asked to make a statement about what he wants the american people to get out of the report. no reference to cyberwarfare or psyops. there’s a video clip in the link. i’ll admit i haven’t seen the questions before the clip, but the request to make a statement seems to stand on its own.


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    Searcher says:

    @H.E.Wolf: As an aside, when attempting to name a generic (non-public) software tool, I spent a lot of time trying to find a word in any language that meant “tool” that was not also a slang for a man’s “tool”.

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    smintheus says:

    @rikyrah: People say that Idiocracy was ahead of its time, but large parts of it was a straight up description of our swamp people.

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    sukabi says:

    @SFAW: me neither, but you KNOW he’d go there, that was almost his response to Rubio on the debate stage at the mention of his tiny toddler hands.

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    apocalipstick says:

    @zhena gogolia: @jl: It seems that Mueller is using the letter to refrain from following Republicans down the conspiracy-theory rabbit hole.

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    dww44 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep, I’m having a hard time squaring Mueller’s comments wrt foreign interference in our elections and his stonewalling of the only entity willing to combat that, along with his solicitation from justice to place the limitations on his testimony today. I hope we are able to find out sooner, rather than later. How does he truly feel about Barr?

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    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Maybe she’s auditioning for Trump’s legal team.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dww44: I do think, within the bounds of whatever psychological resistance he has to stepping toward the extreme limits of his mandate, or purview, or remit, or whatever, I do think he was trying his best to call for impeachment.

    I will admit to the possibility of projection.

    For the lawyers: Is it the rules on grand jury secrecy that keep Mueller from saying whether or not trump or Fredo took the fifth? Is that necessarily part of the grand jury process.

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    apocalipstick says:

    @Mike in DC: No. That was not in the purview of the investigation.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @zhena gogolia: At last, someone thinks of Fyodor, who reminds me also of the occupant.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    The fundamental flaw of Idiocracy was Mike Judge’s facile premise that it would come about through anti-eugenics. That dumb people would outbreed smart people until they ruined the world through superior numbers. The real Idiocracy (at the dawn of which we now find ourselves) is the product of decades of sociopathic rich people systematically destroying our system of public education while feeding the masses a diet of propaganda through our Media, our Entertainment industry, and ultimately through the majority of our churches (most of whose leaders Jesus would chase around with a whip if he were here today).

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Fyodor (if you mean Karamazov, but Dostoevsky too) had a sense of humor! He was far more attractive than Trump.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Yeah, plant-brains are always so swayed by meatheads screaming at them.

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    apocalipstick says:

    @geg6: Hobo With a Shotgun, the most honestly titled movie ever.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I usually go with “asshole” since we all have one and we all know at least one.

    Though I will still refer to some people as “being dicks” about something. There isn’t really another good idiom for that use.

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    reid says:

    @Adam L Silverman: If I was there for that, I’m sure I would be squirming in my seat but enjoying it all the same!

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    eemom says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    As my comment makes clear, I’m done arguing with pod people.

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    lurker dean says:

    @eemom: thanks, hadn’t seen that.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    He was a classic B movie actor who knew he had to be great in every take, because there wouldn’t be a lot of time to get it right. IMO he was the modern-day version of an actor like Peter Cushing who was unfailingly great no matter how bad the rest of the movie around him was.

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    As my comment makes clear, I’m done arguing with pod people.

    Trumpian logic at it’s best, when you can’t make a persuasive argument, call folk names.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    This is a fair take. Hauer was in some dreadful movies, but I don’t remember him ever being bad.

    Has anyone mentioned Soldier of Orange? That was his first big (Dutch) movie. I wonder if it’s available anywhere.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Doug R:

    Could you get any more Russian troll than the name Boris Johnson?

    Yes, his actual real name, which is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson — far more trollish than his shortened version, to be somewhat more British sounding

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    Sab says:

    @Elizabelle: I hope so. I admire him a lot, and he seems to hate doing it.

    I always admired him plugging away at difficult jobs because duty, and not because ATTENTION which he seemed to hate.

    I liked him in these hearings. He followed his set perameters, and dug up what he could within them.

    I firmly believe that he firmly believes in the rule of law. Parameters are part of that (hint to Comey). We can’t restore the rule of law if our guys are also jumping the barriers.

    I liked these hearings. Our guys sounded sensible, knowledgable, restrined, and concerned.

    Their guys sounded uninformed, ignorant and just nuts.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Sab: Mueller was very passionate about election security. And he has got to be privately aghast at the Republicans from today’s hearing. They are not going to do squat about it.

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    J R in WV says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    It cracks me up when they refer to the Russian “Crown Prosecutor.” What Crown?

    Surely the Tsar’s Crown, isn’t it? Once the Soviet Reds fell from power, the Russian Federation resumed worship of the Holy Tsar, may he rest in peace, right?

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    J R in WV says:


    I personally avoid using them in that manner. I am an equal opportunity prig in that regard.

    There are non-gendered physical slurs available for use with regard to Trump. For example “You dangling hemorrhoid of a sub-human!”

    Or “You despicable anal fissure!”

    Isn’t that equal opportunity enough for all?

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    SWMBO says:

    @J R in WV: Check the Scottish descriptions for him. They have a way with words in regards to Shitgibbon.

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    Mary Ellen Sandahl says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Devin Nunes Cow @DevinCow does NOT share sleeping quarters with him. Ever!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    One really shouldn’t use those terms, either.

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