Takeback the Takeback

Trump has now, predictably, reversed himself on whether he was upset with the crowd chanting “send her back” and said they’re all “incredible patriots”. He also denied that Melania and Ivanka asked him to tone it down on the racism, so, as Betty said earlier, that was bullshit that no decent reporter should have accepted.

The pattern of something terrible happening at a rally, Trump kinda-sorta disavowing it, then coming back with a full-throated defense of his core racist supporters, is common and predictable. There’s no reason that the media should report one of his little takebacks without noting that he’s taken back the takeback before.

(If you want to see something positive, here’s a minute of Ilhan Omar being welcomed home by supporters at the Minneapolis airport.)

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Incredible patriots? More like incredible fascists

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    Jay says:

    The White Supremacy House is holding a rushed “see we don’t hate refugees and POC” dog and pony show and it’s going as well as you would think,

    Unreal:-Nadia Murad: “They [ISIS] Killed my mom, my six brothers” -Donald Trump: “Where are they now?”-Murad: “They Killed them..they are in the mass graves in Sinjar” [Trump nods…]pic.twitter.com/g4YPUFStWI— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) July 19, 2019

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    Mary G says:

    The cruellty is the point. I can’t imagine what stress and terror Muslim women must deal with when they step out of their homes in their hijabs to walk their children to school or run errands that people like me do safely without a thought.

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    Steeplejack says:


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    tokyokie says:

    I watched that video of Omar earlier today and what struck me was how tiny she is. But her size is inversely proportional to her courage, as it is with der Trumpenführer as well.

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    Jay says:

    It's painful watching a human being fail a Turing Test. https://t.co/KsbtNKulxA— Neil Gaiman (@neilhimself) July 19, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    Chris Matthews out all week, presumably to give his addled brain a rest. But Steve Kornacki is not the droid we want.

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    Aziz, light! says:

    Yeah, but the Garbage Times has already put his disavowal on page 1 above the fold.

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    Jay says:

    Rohingya man asks Trump whether there is a plan to help them.Trump: “and where is that exactly?” pic.twitter.com/5TcEjob72J— Amarnath Amarasingam (@AmarAmarasingam) July 18, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    It always strikes me as ridiculous how Trump sits at his desk and everyone gathers around behind him—and then they try to have remotely “normal” interactions. WTF.

    As a commenter on the Twitter thread up top says, it’s just a photo op to Trump.

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    Mary G says:

    Trump is selling plastic drinking straws with his name on them to “own the libs.”

    I thought it was a joke, but it’s true…the Trump campaign is selling plastic straws. “Liberal paper straws don’t work.” pic.twitter.com/6PIgsELCAk— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 19, 2019

    Fans get 10 straws for $15. Suckers.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Fat Bastard has decided to skip the dog whistles and use a bullhorn to get the deplorables drooling. Soon to be replaced by an air raid siren.

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    sacrablue says:

    So, is Buzz Aldrin a right-wing nutjob? He appeared to be nodding in the affirmative to all the crap spewing from the mouth of the clown sitting behind the resolute desk in the oval office earlier today? I hope I’m wrong and it was just someone that looked like him.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    @Jay: he also didnt know anything about the Rohingya. I would bet you every single Dem candidate including Marianne Williamson knows the bare bones stuff about the Rohingyas. BTW it’s not so much that I would expect the Orange Menace to know about the Rohingyas but the meeting involved the Rohingyas. None of his idiot enablers around him could give him a two minute bullet point pocket of info about the Rohingyas. Also, I saw nothing – zip – nada in Melania’s body language that she was concerned about the send her back chant. I seriously hate this asshole moronic grifter family who gives a shit about absolutely nothing except themselves . These pigs wouldn’t hold the door open for an old woman pushing her husband in a wheelchair unless she paid them.

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    Dan B says:

    @Mary G: Our neighborhood has quite a few Muslims, plus immigrants, and every minority and income level. It feels weird to be in other “whiter” parts of town. Seattle has the second highest percentage of LGBTQ people in the US – 13% I believe. It’s a refuge surrounded by hundreds of miles of mild to extreme bigotry. Proud Boys show up regularly in the most gay neighborhood. So far there are few threats to Muslims thankfully.

    And our Rep, Pramila Jayapal was in Minneapolis with Ilhan Omar, in the red jacket. It must have been a rush.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    I forgot what I was originally going to comment on. Anybody notice how Ilhan Omar’s airport crowd looked more like America than the KKKlan rally crowd in NC.

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    [Individual 1] mistermix says:

    @Steeplejack: Sorry, internet went out right after I posted this. I added the link.

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    Another Scott says:

    Donnie has to stay in the news somehow, or he gets cranky.

    In other news, Krebs:

    19 JUL 19

    QuickBooks Cloud Hosting Firm iNSYNQ Hit in Ransomware Attack

    Cloud hosting provider iNSYNQ says it is trying to recover from a ransomware attack that shut down its network and has left customers unable to access their accounting data for the past three days. Unfortunately for iNSYNQ, the company appears to be turning a deaf ear to the increasingly anxious cries from its users for more information about the incident.


    I’m surprised it has taken this long, actually, for an attack on a “cloud” like this.

    Relatedly, NextGov:

    One day after President Trump said he was “looking into” the Pentagon’s $10 billion JEDI cloud contract, four Republican lawmakers from the House Armed Services Committee are asking him to stay out of it.

    The Pentagon is currently weighing competing bids from tech giants Microsoft and Amazon for the right to build a cloud that would host, store and analyze a wide range of sensitive and classified military data available to warfighters and policymakers around the world.

    A letter authored by HASC Ranking Member Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, and committee members Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., Michael Turner, R-Ohio and Robert Wittman, R-VA., asks Trump to ignore outside complaints about the contract and let the Defense Department award the contract to keep pace technological pace with foreign adversaries, including China.

    “We believe that it is essential for our national security to move forward as quickly as possible with the award and implementation of this contract,” said the Republican lawmakers, who sit on one of the two Congressional committees with Pentagon oversight responsibilities. “It meets only a portion of DOD’s needs for cloud, but it is an important first step. Moving to the cloud will help DOD operate faster, more efficiently and compete with adversaries, like China.

    “Our committee has conducted oversight of this contract from the beginning. As you know, the courts have upheld DOD’s handling of this competition. While it is understandable that some of the companies competing for the contract are disappointed at not being selected as one of the finalists, further unnecessary delays will only damage our security and increase the costs of the contract.”

    In remarks made Thursday, Trump mentioned complaints from Microsoft—which is a finalist for the contract—as well as Oracle and IBM, which had their bids for the contract tossed out for not meeting certain baseline criteria. Oracle lost its eight-month lawsuit over the contract last week in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims after alleging conflicts of interest between Amazon Web Services and the Defense Department. IBM had its bid protest dismissed procedurally in December by the Government Accountability Office.

    In a June appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox, influential Republican Rep. Mark Meadows called the Amazon allegations “incredible” and called for an investigation. Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who chairs the Senate’s Homeland Security Committee, asked acting Defense Secretary Mark Esper in a late June letter to hold off on awarding JEDI until an investigation is completed. According to the Associated Press, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said JEDI’s bidding process should be restarted.

    Nothing like having the Stable Genius and Javanka get involved. Just another day ending in “y”.


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    Tenar Arha says:

    @sacrablue: I don’t know.

    But IIRC Buzz wants the US to go back to the moon. I think he’s the kind of ex-astronaut who will attend anything boosting humanned space flight, by anyone, anytime that it’s being promoted.

    He’s also been known for his facial expressions when Agent Orange speaks. Check out this clip out from 2017.

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    Jay says:


    On the first day of my trip, I focused on speaking to every possible random American I could about the children being held without parents on the border. It began with a question by the 50-something African-American airport convenience store clerk on my Atlanta layover: “Would you like to make a donation to our troops?”

    And the spirit moved me to say neither yes nor not today but “I’m sorry, I’m giving all my donations to those children being held in concentration camps on our border.” Her face changed instantly and what had been a formulaic trope she spouted to all customers became the spark for a real a human conversation. She reached out and touched me. “Oh, thank you honey,” she said. “You know, when 2020 comes we gon throw that fool out!”


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    Dr. Fungus says:

    @Mary G:
    But the straws are re-usable. How enviro-Nazi!

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    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Incredible patriots? More like incredible fascists

    I don’t think Trump is capable of telling those things apart.

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    Also –

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    JPL says:

    @Dr. Fungus: lol I loved paper straws. You could uncurl them. It was great fun when you suffered boredom on a date. I’m old.

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    @Steeplejack: I noticed that too. Its so rude. Why can’t offer them a seat? A man of 70 plus hasn’t learn to adult and thanks to R voters he is now the President.

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    jl says:

    I don’t know if this ugly and insane episode is a one-off or the start of something new. But Trump moved from setting up one of his flunkies to defend the indefensible, and then running them over with a bus in public, and then backing up over them, to doing that for the whole GOP.

    It is’s a trend, I guess good set-up for the general in 2020. Not a good look for the GOP.

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    Another Scott says:

    @JPL: Hey! I used and remembered paper straws too! I’m not old!!

    (checks calendar)

    … well, maybe a little old …



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    dimmsdale says:

    I added this comment to the end of Betty Cracker’s thread below, by which time everyone else had moved on with their lives (!) so I’ll add it here: the big thing that struck me about the Rep. Omar video was: where the hell is her security? Where are the beefy guys in dark suits and earpieces? Maybe I’m overreacting, but she does indeed look small, and vulnerable. It frankly scares me.

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    @Aleta: Thank you for not including the sex parts.

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    JPL says:

    @dimmsdale: Fortunately airports have their own rules, or at least I hope so.

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    Aleta says:

    This got marked as spam… repeat post.

    Some other takebacks

    NY Mag today, on Dershowitz. (It covers much more than this.)

    (A) large stack of spreadsheets was waiting on the table. They were a detailed breakdown, Dershowitz said, of his whereabouts and activities during the years ( … that) Giuffre says) that Dershowitz had s/x with her… . On August 1, 1999, for instance, the spreadsheets say he stayed on the Vineyard and had a meeting with a certain “Prince Bandar.” (Dershowitz later clarified it wasn’t the famous Saudi prince.)

    (Dershowitz ) said he found Epstein enthralling. “He was feisty, he was utterly politically incorrect,” Dershowitz said. “He was interesting to be with.

    “By the time I got to know him, I had already represented a lot of very, very wealthy people,” Dershowitz said. “I was much more interested in his quirky mind.”

    For around a decade, Dershowitz kept casual company with Epstein, who introduced him to his friends…. Dershowitz visited Epstein’s mansions in New York and Palm Beach and occasionally accompanied him on his private plane. Dershowitz says these trips were family-oriented. Once, Epstein lent him the Palm Beach home so he could attend a granddaughter’s soccer tournament. Another time, he and his nephew flew down to watch a space launch with another Epstein connection, a top NASA official.

    (Around the year 2000) Dershowitz served as a character witness for the reclusive financier. He told Vanity Fair that he shared manuscripts of his books with Epstein before they were published and swore that his money was irrelevant. “I would be as interested in him as a friend if we had hamburgers on the boardwalk in Coney Island and talked about his ideas,” he told the magazine. …

    Today, Dershowitz claims they were never really friends despite their proximity. “He was an acquaintance,” he said. “In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t taken the case, but I didn’t see a problem with taking the case. We didn’t have a close, personal relationship.”

    In a letter, Epstein’s Palm Beach defense lawyer introduced Dershowitz to prosecutors as “a close friend of Mr. Epstein’s.” … Dershowitz now claims his involvement in the case was superficial. “Remember, I’m a legal-lawyer,” he said, saying his role, as an eminent Harvard professor, was limited to providing “big picture” guidance. But the records of the Palm Beach investigation include a letter from Dershowitz that delves into the seamy details, describing the work of Epstein’s private detectives, and questioning the character of one of his accusers. (It related that her social-media posts showed an “apparent fascination with mar ij- ana.”)

    “I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this letter,” Dershowitz said when I showed it to him. He pointed out that it appeared to have been signed on his authorization by Epstein’s local attorney.

    While Dershowitz said that he “was occasionally presented with investigative reports,” he contended that he was under the impression that his client’s accusers were mainly adult women. “He was facing charges for … mostly 18-year-olds and 19-year-olds, but, as he put it, some 17-year-olds ‘slipped through the cracks,’” Dershowitz said. “When I negotiated with the state attorney, the words 14, 15, 16 never came up.”

    This is hard to believe. When Epstein was indicted in 2006, the headline in the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel was: PALM BEACH RESIDENT FACES SOLIC IT ATION CHARGE; BUSINESSMAN ACCUSED OF S/X WITH MIN ORS.

    Epstein served 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail, in a private wing where Dershowitz visited him on New Year’s Day 2009.

    The plea bargain was inexplicably lenient. “You can complain that maybe I did too good a job,” Dershowitz would later tell a television news reporter in Florida. “Hey, I’m pleading guilty.”

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    VOR says:

    @jl: Colbert referred to Trump as “Wussolini” for throwing his supporters under a bus.

    One of the big things about the Trump straws is how expensive they are, IIRC $15 for 10.

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    Aleta says:

    @jl: @VOR:
    T must be wishing he had invested in bus companies and tires

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    Keith P. says:

    @Steeplejack: But Joe Scarborough says he’s like Barry Bonds!

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    Ken says:

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    None of his idiot enablers around him could give him a two minute bullet point pocket of info about the Rohingyas.

    I guess that’s slightly better than the alternative: that they spent an hour before the meeting intensively briefing him and feeding him things to say, and he didn’t retain any of it.

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    Jay says:

    Didn’t Melania come to the US on an Epstein Visa?

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    Another Scott says:

    @Ken: (All together now!) ¿Por qué no los dos?


    Seriously, I’m sure he gets some sort of briefing papers about who he’s meeting with. If the meeting doesn’t involve some way for him to make money, he doesn’t care.


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    Doug R says:


    Didn’t Melania come to the US on an Epstein Visa?


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    Another Scott says:

    @Doug R: I knew it!

    Thank you.


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: I have some here.

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    Jay says:

    TheNib has an excellent and scary story up on the Planet Nemisis CT, well worth reading.


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    Brachiator says:

    Trump kinda-sorta disavowing it, then coming back with a full-throated defense of his core racist supporters, is common and predictable.

    Yep. Trump is truly twisted. He doesn’t mind being racist, but he craves love and approval, so he bristles when criticized, and often falls back on the most childish denials that he said anything wrong.

    But he can’t help himself. His raw hate for anyone who opposes him inevitably rises up again and must be let loose, even worse than before.

    He has always been like this. He cannot change.

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    Jay says:

    @Doug R:

    Epstein not Einstein.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steeplejack: I’m convinced narcissism has replaced his normal visual field with an external monitor, and always his face in the middle.

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    Mike in DC says:

    100 degrees here, this weekend, with 40% humidity. “Feels like” 109. Murderous. Hope 45 gets heatstroke on the links.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: petitioners gathered ’round the the throne. I’m sure he’d get rid of the desk if it weren’t part of the 1950s idea of what an important business man’s office looks like

    He also denied that Melania and Ivanka asked him to tone it down on the racism

    Hilarious. “Your family’s PR people are insisting that they’re normal, decent people…” “No, no. There’s not a shred of decency in my sick twisted family.”

    ETA: the one time I remember him putting somebody in a chair across the desk like a normal person was Kanye, who’s important because he’s famous– y’all following this thing with A$AP Rocky?

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    Mary G says:

    Dersh’s spreadsheets remind me of Bart Kavanaugh’s calendars. [church lady voice] How conveeeeenient.

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    JPL says:

    @Mike in DC: We all do.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Donald J. Trump @ realDonaldTrump
    Just spoke to @KanyeWest about his friend A$AP Rocky’s incarceration. I will be calling the very talented Prime Minister of Sweden to see what we can do about helping A$AP Rocky. So many people would like to see this quickly resolved!

    southpaw Retweeted Donald J. Trump
    Can someone interest Kanye or Kim in the conditions inside CBP detention facilities?

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Good lord, is Yeezy off his meds again?

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    dimmsdale says:

    @JPL: Somehow that does not fill me with utmost confidence.

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    Jay says:

    @Another Scott:

    Had an Einstein Visa from ‘94-‘99.

    Was way too old for an Epstein Visa.

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    JPL says:

    @Jay: money, money, money makes the world go round.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The rapper’s detention had raised concerns about poor conditions in the Swedish jail where he was staying, including unclean water, according to a report from TMZ.


    After the concentration camps in the US – truly hard to understand the logic of anyone complaining about jails in another country

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Yes, demeaning the other participants and keeping the focus on Trump.

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    Jay says:

    #TedCruz wants to classify everyone in the United States who opposes fascism as a terrorist. Funny then how he'll pose for photos with the leader of the #ProudBoys, Enrique Tarrio, who fought alongside neo-Nazis in #Charlottesville at Unite the Right. H/T @SnarlakAttack pic.twitter.com/BACUCGCBy1— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 20, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Heh, thanks for that. ✊

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    Jay says:

    Trump himself has also gone out of his way to award the Oath Keepers militia for their support by featuring their members, including their leader, Stewart Rhodes, at his rallies. Other far-Right groups have also gotten the same honor, including Bikers for Trump + the Proud Boys. pic.twitter.com/mUcptZccu6— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 19, 2019

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    Brachiator says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    – y’all following this thing with A$AP Rocky?

    Trump is claiming that he is trying to help him. This will “prove” that he is not racist.

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    Jay says:

    In Washington State, Republican State Rep Matt Shea was caught exchanging messages with members of the far-Right, discussing and planning to carry out confrontations and acts of violence against "communists" and "Antifa." https://t.co/GBOBJNWX78— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 19, 2019

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    chris says:


    I know that, personally, when I’m innocent and haven’t done any sex crimes and am not at all worried about an impending document release, my first instinct is to go on Fox News and scream at the camera about how I do sex right— Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) 19 July 2019

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    Jay says:

    Ted Cruz, who wants to label people who oppose fascism "terrorists," seen here at a rally with far-Right Oath Keepers militia. Group was part of armed occupation of Malheur in 2016. Participants threatened to kill FBI agents and one militia member was killed by law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/yiOEuzWciH— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 19, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Another Scott:

    This might come as a big shock to you, but I believe Jay was making a joke.

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    plato says:


    If you follow Me, could you please retweet this? I'm trying to call Twitter's attention to My broken follower count without resorting to striking their headquarters with lightning.Which I still may do anyway.— God (@TheTweetOfGod) July 19, 2019

    Next thing you know they’ll be telling you to go back where you came from.— Arlene Dickinson (@ArleneDickinson) July 19, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, Joy Reid sitting in for Lawrence O’Donnell. That’s what we like to see.*

    * When someone is on vacation. O’Donnell has been pretty good lately. The real slump in the lineup is Tweety at 7:00 and Chris Hayes at 8:00. Give Reid a slot and move Nicolle Wallace up from the afternoon. Maybe give Ari Melber a better slot than 6:00?

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    Steeplejack says:


    “Here, just look at my sexual probity!”

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    Another Scott says:

    @Steeplejack: Engineer Я Us.



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    Steeplejack says:


    Underpants are the key to normal sex.

    — Knuck1es (@knck1es) July 19, 2019

    Just make sure one of the leg holes is over your mouth so you can breathe correctly.

    — JD (@TaterSaladJD) July 19, 2019

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    chopper says:


    a….what now? goddamn it, son, this is the internet!

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    Ken says:

    @chopper: And we all know what the internet is for.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Foghorn Leghorn voice, I presume?

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    smintheus says:

    This is just like the dishonest car mechanics I’ve occasionally had to deal with. One recently tried to charge me $200 for “disassembling” and “repairing” my hood latch (unasked) before he charged me an exhorbitant amount for an oil change. Then he offered to cut me a bargain by charging only $100 extra for the non-approved work. When I pointed out that he had not in fact “disassembled” the latch but simply squirted WD-40 on it, he denied that he had ever said he disassembled it and offered a song and dance about why I misunderstood him. When I handed him his printout with the words “disassembled hood latch”, he denied that he had ever denied that he disassembled the latch – which he insisted he had in fact done and just to show me he wasn’t going to charge me for it.

    “And don’t ever come back!”

    Donnie is a crooked car mechanic who somehow conned 40+% of America’s racists.

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    Jay says:


    It’s not a con if it’s what you believed before going in.

    It’s confirmation bias.

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    Brachiator says:


    Ted Cruz, who wants to label people who oppose fascism “terrorists,” seen here at a rally with far-Right Oath Keepers militia. Group was part of armed occupation of Malheur in 2016. Participants threatened to kill FBI agents and one militia member was killed by law enforcement.

    The GOP is like a snake devouring its own tale. Cruz is declaring that government itself and government law enforcement is illegitimate. He wrongly assumes that the mob will see him as a leader after the wreckage is complete.

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    Jay says:

    But Gionet’s attempt to convince a Barstool reporter that he had turned over a new leaf resulted only in the memorable headline, “Infamous Neo-Nazi ‘Baked Alaska’ Says Being A Neo-Nazi ‘Was A Pretty Big Disaster, To Be Honest’ Because He Can’t Get A Job And Lost All His Friends, On Account Of Him Being A Neo-Nazi.”


    Last Friday, the 31-year-old showed up at a protest outside of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Phoenix office, where he alternately pretended to be a reporter and a protester, referred to a woman in a burka as “Sharia,” laughed at a joke that she may have a bomb, and said he voted for Governor Doug Ducey because Ducey is “based and red-pilled,” two terms commonly used by the alt-right to describe people who subscribe to their point of view.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steeplejack: SERENITY NOW

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    Brachiator says:


    When I handed him his printout with the words “disassembled hood latch”, he denied that he had ever denied that he disassembled the latch

    Damn. I didn’t realize that Trump was underwriting crooked auto repair franchises. This crap must have been infuriating.

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    Mary G says:

    I have had enough for today. Here is a fascinating thread by the latest Best Novel Hugo author about peeing in space.

    Let's talk about peeing in space. Several people, in response to my NY Times essay, have said that women couldn't go into space because we lacked the technology for them to pee in space.— Mary Robinette Kowal (@MaryRobinette) July 19, 2019

    Both of her lady astronaut books were very enjoyable.

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    Jay says:


    Earlier this week, Gwen Snyder is Uncivil was asked why she had switched much of her focus from digital inequality and community organizing to antifia activities.

    She posted a long thread about how, before Charlottesville, through her City Hall work and her Community work, and Nazi’s coming out to protest in public, she started to notice that a bunch of the Philly Nazis, also had ofticial Grand Old Pedo jobs.

    After Charlottesville, she and other Philly and PA activists have taken to doxxing Nazis. They have doxxed hundreds in the State and City GOP.

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    Aleta says:

    Take back this species I don’t recognize.

    Andrea @Andrea88284901
    “He’s tired. A lot of us are sick and tired of this country.”

    Huge mistake.

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    smintheus says:

    @Brachiator: It was infuriating, but also hilarious. I humiliated the living shit out of him in front of the woman who kept the books for his garage. Mentioned story to my neighbor, who discovered that another friend had dealings with the same mechanic, who tried to cheat her as well.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mary G:

    Let’s talk about peeing in space. Several people, in response to my NY Times essay, have said that women couldn’t go into space because we lacked the technology for them to pee in space.— Mary Robinette Kowal (@MaryRobinette

    One of the first humans in space was a Russian woman cosmonaut. So much for “women can’t go into space.”

    The thread is fascinating. Some human plumbing related problems are just human problems.

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    Jay says:

    @Mary G:

    It’s very much an example of this stupid timeline.

    59 women have gone into space so far. There’s 1 on the ISS right now,

    but one missed spacewalk by a woman because of a shortage of right sized spacesuits on the ISS,

    becomes women can’t go to space because they can’t pee in space.

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    Jay says:

    People killed in the last 10 years -Antifa: 0Right wing terrorists: 313ICE: 81CBP: 98 https://t.co/losKqsRv0H— Joshua Collins 4 Congress (@Joshua4Congress) July 19, 2019

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    @Brachiator: @Jay: I distinctly recall that being one of the justifications for male-only astronauts.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Mary G: Mary Robinette Kowal is a Hugo finalist for this year; the award won’t be given for another four weeks.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I distinctly recall that being one of the justifications for male-only astronauts.

    I guess. Like I said, it didn’t prevent the Russians from having a woman cosmonaut.

    It was just a stupid rationalization. As I recall women excelled on many of the tests that were used to test potential astronauts, but were excluded when Ike decided that astronauts had to be military pilots.

    I think that any “reasons” why women couldn’t be astronauts were backfill excuses.

    This nonsense was also clearly a consequence of not having enough women involved at all levels in the first damn place.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Jay: Jeebus. Rafael needs to let loose that raccoon on his face.

    Also: Enrico thinks he’s aafe but he’s still brown. They’ll turn on him eventually.

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    Jay says:


    There is an excellent book out, that noted Bletchly Park and British Tech relied on female Computer Scientists and Coders into the late ‘60’s, and Britain lead much of the tech world,

    Then in the ‘70’s, the jobs became “cool” and well paid, and women were excluded, and still are,

    And as a result, British tech and innovation sucks bugnuts compared to even 2nd world nations.

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    @Jay: I never heard of this clown before today when somebody over at LGM
    posted an exchange he had on Twitter:

    Baked Alaska: The Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War and founded the KKK. But you’ll never hear that in a history class.

    Krang T. Nelson: LOL you absolutely learn that in history class

    Baked Alaska: I was home schooled and it was not taught

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    SenyorDave says:

    @John Revolta: this is a put on, right. That is like someone wearing a sandwich board sign saying “I am a moron”.

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    @SenyorDave: I thought so too, but I’m told that no, this guy really is just that stupid.

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    Brachiator says:


    And as a result, British tech and innovation sucks bugnuts compared to even 2nd world nations.

    Yeah. There is so much more to learn, to fill in the gaps concerning how much these women accomplished.

    I recently ran across this video which touches on your point.


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    Its so rude. Why can’t offer them a seat?

    Dominance move.

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    Jay says:

    @John Revolta:

    Not many people had heard about this Centuries Nazis until Charlottesville, but they had killed lots of people before then, just not on live TV.

    -30 years of antifascist activity in the US: 1 confirmed fatality (a nazi who was shot during an altercation in 1993).-20 years of far-right extremist activity (1990-2012) in the US: 670 fatalities, 3,053 nonfatal injuries, & 4,420 attacks. https://t.co/Se8VSAPa0s— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) July 19, 2019

    Prior to Charlottesville, the MO of the Nazi leadership like “Baked Alaska” was to recruit and incite online through Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Instagram, etc, and let those who were lesser to do the violence and killing.

    Dolt45’s election changed all that.

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    Jay says:

    @John Revolta:

    He’s really not that stupid. He’s “shitposting”,

    and he wasn’t homeschooled.

    They are always trolling.

    They will tell you 150 unprovable lies about themselves, 50 provable lies, ( with research), 25 unprovable truths, 10 proveable truths.

    A lot of what “antifia” does in doxxing them is to find the inconsistent lies, the consistent lies, the inconsistent truths and the consistent truths from their “personal” to attach a real name to their persona.

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