Thursday Morning Open Thread: Back to the Arena

(Tom Toles via GoComics.com)
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I guess if Rep. Lewis can keep fighting, so can we… even if the well-intentioned members of the DNC seem to be trying to kill me:

And then, if I had my way, the members of the B Ark Tier One would be locked in a nicely stocked hotel annex until mid-November 2020. (Sorry, Sen. Gillibrand.) But nobody ever takes my advice, possibly because they’re afraid of insufficiently sanitized telephones.

It’s not as though this rigamarole is making anyone but the ad salesguys and the Media Horse Race Touts happy. (Seth Moulton, predictably, is making a very public fuss already.)

I hope to Murphy the Trickster God that the Inslee campaign was being sarcastic.






198 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    What does John Lewis know? Does he think he’s smarter than Twitter?

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    Dan B says:

    I could check on Inslee because connections, but seriously, he’s got a good sense of humor that his staff should polish. Good retail humor with flashes of gold.

    Then again Climate Crisis is a laugh riot.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Just shoot me.

  4. 4
    NotMax says:

    No tanks, please.

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    Baud says:

    For the sake of bipartisanship, they should also sing the Russian national anthem.

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    RAVEN says:

    The morning crew is a breath of fresh air.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @RAVEN: You misspelled ‘fetid’.

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    Raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: You ain’t around at night.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: I have better things to do at night. You know, like watch ‘Die Hard’ for the 1,387th time while eating Cheetos and drinking flat Diet Coke. Or maybe just sleep. Kind of, sorta.

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    RAVEN says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I made it till 3:30 and I’m glad they teed off at the British Open at 1!

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    Baud says:

    Comedian Jon Stewart joined the chorus of voices rebuking Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday after the Kentucky Republican temporarily delayed bipartisan legislation that would secure compensation for 9/11 first responders and victims, citing concerns over funding for the new bill.

    “It’s absolutely outrageous,” Stewart said during a Wednesday evening appearance on Fox News. “You’ll pardon me if I’m not impressed in any way by Rand Paul’s fiscal responsibility virtue signaling.”

    ….

    Rand Paul presented tissue paper avoidance of the $1.5 trillion tax cut that added hundreds of billions of dollars to our deficit, and now he stands up at the last minute after 15 years of blood, sweat and tears from the 9/11 community to say that it’s all over now,” Stewart said. “Now we’re going to balance the budget on the backs of the 9/11 first responder community.”

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    Anya says:

    I was hoping the “well-known former prime minister” with ties to Epstein was Benjamin Netanyahu but since he’s calling for inquiries I doubt he has any ties to the child rapist. I am just wondering who was Bush’s DOJ covering for? It must be someone so prominent. I just hope all of these perverts and enablers are exposed and shunned. These guys get away with these horrific acts because of their enablers.

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    Raven says:

    @Baud: Fuck him

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

    @Raven:

    The words don’t seem as harsh as the words he had for us during the hearing.

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    Baud says:

    Bank lobby builds ‘political machine’ to spend for 2020 House and Senate races

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    Baud says:

    Documents on Trump ex-lawyer’s porn star hush payment to be released

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    R-Jud says:

    @Anya: I imagine it’s Tony Blair.

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    Princess says:

    John Lewis’s words are very welcome. I’ll be honest — when I have despaired in these last two years, what has kept me going has been the knowledge that black people in this country have fought for far longer, against much greater odds, often without hope of any success, and they still keep fighting to this day. If they can, surely I can too.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Baud: @Raven: What Raven said. That’s some weak shit after the performance art he pulled at the House hearing in front of a committee that was alreadysset to move forward on the bill. Wonder if he understands NOW that it’s not Congress but rather the GOP that’s the problem. Wonder if he’ll EVER have the ballsto admit it. Wouldn’t bet on it.

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    Baud says:

    On one day every year, as per tradition, Britain is invaded by swarms of flying ants — and this year, the insects arrived in such vast numbers they were seen from space.

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    Baud says:

    A judge will decide today whether Jeffrey Epstein will remain in jail

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    p.a. says:

    What have Raven and RAVEN done with raven??!

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    Baud says:

    Democrats Issue Warnings Against Viral Russia-Based Face-Morphing App

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    Juju says:

    For everything except John Lewis, oy.

  26. 26
    Baud says:

    @p.a.:

    There can be only one.

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    Nelle says:

    @Princess: in on your bench. Look to the people who have been in the struggle for decades and centuries,despite powerful and moneyed opponents. To get at real truth after all the myth-making that Americans have indulged themselves in and blinded themselves with is thankless work of the ages. And there will be no gratitude. Impeachment may be the least of it and won’t “cure” the sick body, politic and societal. Not a time for the well-trained desire for instant gratification. No magic coming down the road. We all have to shoulder our part of the burden, knowing results may not come in our lifetime.

    Still, today, make small steps.

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    eclare says:

    @Princess: Seconded. I have had it easy.

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    p.a. says:

    @Baud: some years ago there was a mayfly hatch on the upper Mississippi that showed up on weather radar. Weeks later there were a few around my house in Providence. Never saw mayflies there before, or since

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Anya:

    Calling for inquiries by who, though? There’s a world of difference between “We must get to the bottom of this ASAP” and “You can keep me out of this, can’t you?”. Unfortunately he’s not a “well-known former Prime Minister”, since he’s – currently – still clinging onto office.

    @R-Jud:

    Oh that would be soooooo sweet.

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    p.a. says:

    @Baud: Maybe 2; like Sith

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    hueyplong says:

    John Lewis has the most elegant and supportive way of telling you to stop whining and get on the road to winning when you can’t see any road at all.

    We can take some smug comfort in knowing that the other side as presently constituted has no John Lewis and by definition cannot.

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    debbie says:

    Fucking Stephen Miller. I just heard Trump say “screed.” As if!

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    Time for his neighbor to intervene.

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    zzyzx says:

    This is why I wasn’t worried about Trump’s alleged massive win in the post last night. Winning the news cycle on a random day 18 months out of the election isn’t that important and Trump hates people not talking about him more than he cares about any short term victory.

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    Baud says:

    @zzyzx:

    What win?

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    rikyrah says:

    Receipt 👏

    Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) Tweeted:
    I’m old enough to remember during last campaign in 2015-16 when people like me called Trump a racist, and others — including other journalists! — called us hyperbolic and extreme. Well… https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/1151673581367169024?s=17

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    ThresherK says:

    They’re putting Dem candidates in pools, a la the World Cup? Cool. I was one of the many suggesting this, and of course as with many things, wasn’t sure if I was kidding or not.

    Maybe we can assign the Tier I candidates to a storage room in the basement to watch a bee in a jar for the next 16 months.

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    Kay says:

    de blasio, delaney,

    Ugh. I thought these two were gone. I had a very negative impression of Delaney. I had no opinion of him before the last debate and 30 seconds after he started speaking I felt trapped and wished he would stop. DeBlasio just randomly yells “working people!” so he’s annoying and a distraction, but less so than Delaney who issues whole hectoring paragraphs.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    On the National Anthem being sung at the Democratic Debate:

    In 2015, Sheryl Crow sang the anthem. It’s on YouTube.

    It’s worth watching, not just for Cheryl Crow, but to see how the closed-captioning dealt with early 19th century poetry.

    O the ramparts we watched . . .
    the bottoms bursting in air . . .

    Extra points, if you can name all five candidates standing on stage.

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    rikyrah says:

    Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) Tweeted:
    @vexedinthecity Yeah after nearly 4 years of saying Trump voters are motivated by anything but racism, now they wanna front like they knew it all along. Most of these people were saying Dems had to stop talking about identity politics and focus on economic issues 🙄🙄 https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1151330556535353347?s=17

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Trump has made it clear that white nationalism will be on the ballot in 2020 even more emphatically than it was in 2016, when “shake things up” and “send a message” and “no more dynasties” provided flimsy cover to the racist demagogue-curious. We have to pass this test.

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    rikyrah says:

    Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) Tweeted:
    Of course this means everyone who said “Deplorable” was a mistake should apologize. Clinton talked about racism and white privilege more than any Presidential candidate through 2016 and the mainstream press (and the class first far left) crushed her for it https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1151338071604047872?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    If only someone had warned us.

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton today disparaged her Republican rival as a tool of the racist, radical right, a man who foments “paranoia and prejudice” and ushers hate groups into the mainstream.

    Donald Trump is “a man with a long history of racial discrimination”, Clinton said during a Thursday rally in the flag-festooned student center at Truckee Meadows Community College. He is a man “who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet”.
    …..
    “This is not conservatism as we have known it,” she continued. “This is not Republicanism as we have known it. These are racist ideas, race-baiting ideas, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-women, all key tenets making up the emerging racist ideology known as the alt-right.”

    “The de facto merger between Breitbart and the Trump campaign represents a landmark achievement for the ‘alt-right’,” Clinton declared. “A fringe element has effectively taken over the Republican party. All of this adds up to something we’ve never seen before.

    “Of course, there’s always been a paranoid fringe in our politics, steeped in racial resentment,” she continued. “But it’s never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national megaphone. Until now.”

    Thankfully, the Guardian was there to give us a reality check.

    Fear-mongering has a long and successful history in politics and is a regular weapon for candidates of all persuasions. But it is being used to a greater extent in the 2016 campaign, with its deeply disliked candidates and disaffected voters.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Very interesting, and long, article on the intersection of the church and the Duterte regime. The Catholic rebels resisting the Philippines’ deadly war on drugs The church seems to be fractured at best, but a few stand out:

    When the officers saw that Santiago was not dead, he was sent to an emergency room and handcuffed to his hospital bed. He spent the following two years in jail on myriad charges, including the illegal possession of a firearm. Last August, when he was finally acquitted, he found sanctuary with a missionary in the Redemptorist order of the Catholic church named Jun Santiago, known to most as Brother Jun.

    Just as Jun has done for countless families of drug-war victims, he began sheltering Santiago – at Baclaran church, his parish in southern Manila, and various safe houses in the provinces surrounding the capital – offering protection and guidance to a man who had fallen into a precarious position. When Santiago appeared in a Manila courtroom last October, facing trial again for the illegal possession of a firearm (a charge refiled well after the sting), Jun was with him, a buffer against the PNP officers stalking the hallways outside the court, some of them the very same men who had tried to kill him two years earlier.

    Occupying a vague space between activist, journalist and minister, Jun is the ragged tip of the spear in the Catholic church’s resistance to the war on drugs – a war that has been condemned by international human rights organisations and has, by some estimates, claimed more than 20,000 lives. As a brother of the Redemptorist order, Jun is not technically clergy. He lives among the priests on the forested grounds of Baclaran, but operates as a layman, and often stands out from the company he keeps. His black hair hangs down to his shoulders. His uniform comprises a pair of rustic boots, cuffed jeans and, on that day at the Manila trial court, a Nirvana T-shirt.

    Jun has taken it upon himself to perform a dizzyingly varied set of roles: from menial tasks, such as supplying candles for protest marches, to diplomatic work, such as appealing to eminent prelates for solidarity, to more dangerous missions such as patrolling Manila’s streets at night and racing to crime scenes in order to photograph the dead – hundreds over the past three years. In a political climate where many fear the impulses of a violent president, Jun lives at risk on behalf of his church and thousands of Filipinos threatened by Duterte’s war on drugs. Not yet 50, Jun’s friends joke that he is already on the path to sainthood.

    I’m not sure about sainthood but definitely on the road to martyrdom.

    In a country where vigilante executions have become commonplace, this work is perilous at best; Catholic leaders who speak out are often inundated with death threats, sometimes from Duterte himself. Since December, 2017, three Filipino priests have been killed in mysterious circumstances. One was ambushed in his car after negotiating the release of a political prisoner; another, while saying blessings on a group of children, was shot dead by a motorcyclist; a third was murdered at the altar in front of parishioners just before mass.

    When I asked Jun whether he was concerned for his own safety, he shook his head and drew a circle around his chair, as if tracing an invisible ring of fire.

    “It’s part of our job,” he said. “Why be afraid?”

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    Lara Trump set up the chant. It was scripted, probably by her. She’s their marketing person. That’s what they think she’s good at. Like all of them, this is (now) her full time job.
    I don’t think the Trump Family women take enough responsibility for their role in the Trump Family regime, so I make an effort to include them. They choose all of this. Ivanka covers for him, Melania chose to give interviews promoting birtherism, Lara leads racist chants. I don’t think Ivanka and Melania should use children’s groups for photo ops anymore. I don’t think that’s fair to black and brown children. The political campaign these wealthy adults are running harms those children. They shouldn’t be exposed to the architects of it and every one of those women is either running it or complicit. They’re not good enough to visit schools. Poor role models.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    A matter of some concern, perhaps, to some of us: it appears that the price of clams is way up in recent weeks. Several factors at play, but primary may be a fairly strong job market keeping people from doing seasonal clam-digging (which, if you’ve never done it, is back-breaking work.)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @BC in Illinois: 🎶Conseco can see by the dawn’s early light🎶

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    Ken says:

    @ThresherK:

    Maybe we can assign the Tier I candidates to a storage room in the basement to watch a bee in a jar for the next 16 months.

    Just curious, is this a reference to a movie or maybe a video game?

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    SRW1 says:

    @Anya:

    Two cents that the “well-known former prime minister” is Silvio Berlusconi. He is well known for ‘liking them young’ and occasionally having struggled with the ‘of age’ concept.

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    Who even are Delaney and Bullock? I haven’t heard those names as candidates before.

    ETA: Don’t bother to answer. This is a rhetorical question. I’d just like to see them go away.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Baud:

    It’s the Guardian, Mr President-in-Waiting. That’s how their US Political coverage rolls.

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    Ken says:

    @Baud:

    What win?

    Maybe he means the commenter who counted editorial cartoons, and found 80% were about Trump and the concentration camps? In Trump’s mind that would be a win, like Bill Murray shouting “You can’t buy publicity like this!” in Scrooged.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @SRW1:

    Two cents that the “well-known former prime minister” is Silvio Berlusconi.

    (slaps head) That makes a lot of sense.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Betty Cracker: so embarrassed for my birthstate of NC yesterday. That rally in Greenville was 12 miles from where I grew up and held at my and my mother’s Alma mater of East Carolina University. This area of the state is over 50% Black, and now with a huge Hispanic population. Many of those attendees had to be bused in.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    We have to pass this test.

    Yup. This is cold but I can’t decide whether I should rely on the flighty, indecisive, incredibly shallow “independents” or the crabby, pouty but intense Lefty part of the base – neither group is reliable. Centrists act like I’m getting this solid turnout relying on “centrists” but that’s not true at all. It’s one group of unreliable voters or another. That to me is the choice I have between a more centrist candidate or a more Lefty candidate. One or another group of unreliable voters.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @SRW1: Any mention of “also likes bunga bunga parties”?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The stupid motherfuckers at CNN are covering this like ESPN covers the NFL draft.

    With open utter ridiculousness. Both events are nothing but naked infotainment clickbait.

    Our media paradigm is hopelessly broken. Burn it to the ground.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @mrmoshpotato: The topic of chowder could start a war.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly:

    so embarrassed for my birthstate of NC yesterday.

    And now you live in Misery. Batting 1.000 you are. ;-)

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    It’s one group of unreliable voters or another.

    Truth.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Aaaaaaalllllll righty then! :)

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    Quinerly says:

    @Kay: Lara Trump is originally from NC. Deep NC roots, as I recall. North Carolina State University graduate.

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    Kay says:

    So here’s the practical, logistical problem with centrist Democrats like Biden. Take ideology out of it. Democrats had a kind of machine in the states Biden is strong in and that’s a good part of what drove turnout and why they were able to win those states. It was based and grounded in labor unions. They haven’t had that for a long, long time. That’s why Obama was extraordinary. He built his own. Clinton did not build her own. Biden will not build his own. Biden is running on a guarantee he can’t make – he may attract less engaged voters but he still has to turn them out. And they often DON’T turn out for Democrats.
    I think the candidates have to tell us two things- who are their voters and what is their plan to organize them and turn them out. Just being “acceptable” to a broad group of voters is only half what’s needed. If Warren is less “acceptable” than Biden (and I think she is) but she’s a very good organizer she might be the better choice.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @BC in Illinois: I’ll go with Hillary, Wilmer, that guy from Maryland, Mike Gravel and Baud

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    Quinerly says:

    Interesting piece from local Greenville paper. I have to “stand up” for my birth county. From the piece: “Pitt County voted for Secretary (of State Hillary) Clinton by a wide margin in 2016 (52 percent to 45 percent) and for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. In 2020, Pitt County will vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic nominee for President, whomever the nominee is.”
    http://www.reflector.com/News/.....rence.html

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    rikyrah says:

    Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) Tweeted:
    You can’t say Trump is a racist and then say nothing about his voters. It doesn’t work like that. https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1151331602858991617?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @Just One More Canuck:

    Can’t be me. I support the Imperial system over metric.

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    satby says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: 100% this.
    Just the description of how they will select candidates is a travesty.

    Sorry, not feeling the good mornings today, been going back and forth with a right winger on FB for two days who won’t STFU.
    And I have to work in a metal hut for the next three days of the heat wave and it’s making me crabby.

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: At least I live in the city of St. Louis and I pulled these stats from local Greenville paper:
    Pitt County, NC voted for Secretary (of State Hillary) Clinton by a wide margin in 2016 (52 percent to 45 percent) and for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

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    Baud says:

    @Tony Jay:

    Sometimes our dreams can cloud our judgment.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Ken: It’s from The Simpsons, where Homer and two others are assigned to do this when the NEC inspectors visit the plant.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Steven Dennis @ StevenTDennis
    STUNNING: ~4 years ago in Morning Consult polling, Susan Collins was the 2nd most popular senator, with 78% approval and just 16% disapproval in her state. Now she’s the 2nd most unpopular at 45/48.
    No senator has seen their standing hurt more in the age of Trump.

    any chance she’ll just pack it in?

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    Ken says:

    @ThresherK: Ah, thanks. I may even have seen that one, though I haven’t watched The Simpsons for a very long time.

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    @satby: Block the fool on FB, Satby. Don’t waste your breath, er, pixels.

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    Well, Hillary’s comments were interesting, but she was too shrill, and there’s just something about her

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    Quinerly says:

    @SFAW: I heard she used email to communicate at some point in her life. 😈

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    ThresherK says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: In the Year of Our Common Era 2015 Susan Collins had a 78% approval rating?

    I’m not calling anyone a liar, but as a New Englander who’s been on to her shit for years, I can’t imagine what she did to be that popular then.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    I think the mistake is thinking that the trump women don’t agree with the racist policies or the concentration camps and that they are somehow working behind the scenes to change needy amin’s mind.

    The trump women are racist. They don’t care about brown or black children and women. They don’t even consider them part of the category women and children.

    The only reason they have those calm, sort of serene expressions is because they’ve injected so much fucking Botox into their faces. They’re not suffering in silence or being stoic – their facial muscles are paralyzed.

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    Kay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Oh, sure. The senator who concocts a huge fake dramatic event (will she or won’t she? Let’s ask her again!) on every vote will just “pack it in”. Murkowski is Collins with one quarter of the bullshit and twice the integrity. But Collins allows media to pretend there’s still some flinty New England Republican strain they all worship and Alaska doesn’t so Collins gets all the coverage.

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    SFAW says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    any chance she’ll just pack it in?

    Absolutely. There’s also a chance that the Racist-in-Chief will have an epiphany in the next 24 hours, and stop being a lying, racist, fascistic, traitorous asshole.

    Not sure whose chances I rate higher.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: Where as I live in Washington Co. I detect a steep downward trend in my locales. Pretty sure I’m going to end up in Hell.

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    MomSense says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I ended up getting a fish basket Tuesday night because the clam basket was 26.99! That’s twice the price. Hate to tell everyone this but clams and mussels are on the way out in Maine. A bunch of the local clam diggers have given up because the normal flats don’t produce anymore. Warming waters, toxic algae, and increase in predators are killing them off. I’m priced out and I lost my friend/supplier.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    The trump women are racist. They don’t care about brown or black children and women. They don’t even consider them part of the category women and children.

    I agree. AOC said something in the press conference about wanting to tell black and brown or immigrant children that the President is wrong and they’re included and part of this and welcome. I don’t think I’m excessively sentimental about children but I do like them- more than adults, mostly, a few children are horrible, don’t get me wrong, but as a group I like them. I DO think adults have to show children they’re included and welcome and wanted. That’s important to and for them. So I don’t want the Trump women in front of them in schools. That’s not fair to them. We can and should be picky about who we put in front of them, because they’re a captive audience- they don’t make any decisions. I’m on a school committee and I once heard a teacher object to presentation for students that was pitched by a community group. She said “I don’t think that’s good enough to put in front of mine” – it stuck with me. That people should have to earn their audience. That we can be choosy about who we invite in. They’re not good enough. There are better role models we can tap.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: lol
    I live in GA so probably should refrain from laughter, but what the heck.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Sahil Kapur @ sahilkapur
    10 years ago this week, there was an extended national controversy about the U.S. president saying police “acted stupidly” for arresting a black man trying to enter his own home.

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    Raven says:

    @Quinerly: nevermind

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    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: We come a long way baby.

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: my retired contractor who drives in from the Bourbon to work for me does not speak fondly of Crawford County. 😉

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    NotMax says:

    @MomSense

    Well, you down-easters still have this.

    ;)

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    I still resent the Ron and Nancy just say no video we had to watch in a mandatory all school assembly in high school. Of course I was one of 2 people out of 700 who felt that way.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @JPL:

    I think today is a special day for you? If I’m remembering correctly, have a great birthday! If not, have a great one whenever it is :-)

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    Oh god! That is for the tourists. Bet a bunch of locals laugh their asses off every time someone orders that flavor.

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    I’m still reeling from Trump’s rally last night. It feels like a step down from where he and his followers were before. I still feel sick from it. This is George Wallace in the school doorway bad, only it’s worse because it’s the president.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Brought to you by Brawndo.

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    I know, right? The only first name I associate with Bullock is Sandra.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Baud:

    I think you’ve found your election slogan.

    VOTE BAUD/TBC 2020

    Sometimes our Dreams can cloud our Judgement

    Solid.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    The Susan Collins flinty New England Republican moderate bipartisan Senator is a total lie – but it’s a lie people want to believe in.

    Gideon is a good candidate but we’ve had a lot of great candidates go up against Susan. She’s tough to beat and she’s got boatloads of cash.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: Oh you can laugh. All humor is based on other people’s misery. You just have to be ready to laugh at your own as well.

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    Quinerly says:

    Just checked Trump’s Twitter. He was manic yesterday Tweeting. Multiple tweets all day.
    Nothing in over 8 hrs…..
    I don’t recall a morning he hasn’t Tweeted.

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    NotMax says:

    @Quinerly

    I don’t recall a morning he hasn’t Tweeted.

    Gift horse. Mouth.

    ;)

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    Baud says:

    @Tony Jay:

    I would spell it “judgment” because USA! RULES!

    But otherwise, I love it.

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    If anyone is visiting Acadia/ Bar Harbor this summer go to MDI ice cream. It’s across he street from the restaurant Havana – which is another great place to go.

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    plato says:

    How ‘social media’ is actually creating more sociopaths.

    All around the world, there are conspiracy theorists who believe the Earth is flat. And their community seems to be growing, judging by attendance at flat Earth conferences and events.

    Flat Earthers say YouTube was key in helping them spread their message. One researcher found that of attendees at a flat Earth conference, nearly all said they first came to the idea through the video-sharing platform.

    The Google-owned company says it’s taking action to prevent conspiracy videos from reaching large numbers of people.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Just One More Canuck:
    Are you sure? I always thought the guy who wrote MacArthur Park was one of the five.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kay: You make some good points, but I’d be wary of trying to make too strong a story of X voter types vs Y voter types.

    We just had a historic win in the 2018 election. 41 House seats – biggest ever in an off-year election.

    I don’t think that we won that many seats because voters were overwhelmingly enthusiastic about the Democratic candidates (though we did have many, many great candidates). (Spanberger won with 50.4% of the vote.)

    You’re right that it’s having a ground game.

    But it’s also making sure that we get every Democratic vote we can by fighting to register people and keep them informed and putting in the infrastructure so that they can get to the polls even as the GOP tries to shut them out. The state parties need to be working to get people registered NOW and continuing up until the deadlines.

    Yes, it’s The Message and being able get people to be enthusiastic. But it’s also about nuts and bolts of the voting process. We need every Democratic-leaning voter to pull the lever, even if Biden or Gillibrand or Beto aren’t the nominee.

    “The GOP is working to make sure that you cannot vote for your leaders. Are you going to stand for that?…”

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: I was the *most hated* man in Bourbon for 10 years or so, I know Crawford Co well. It has it’s bright spots, few and far between tho they may be.

    ** most hated is probably a bit hyperbolic but I was probably subjected to the most death threats for a couple years.

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    MomSense says:

    Scotian, Eric and Emma, Imm and Immp – thinking of you today. Sending healing and strength to you. Hope you can check in and let us know how you are holding up. We are all rooting for you!!!

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    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I was probably subjected to the most death threats for a couple years.

    That’s the OH we know and love.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @MomSense: I went to high school in the same province of Redneckistan in which I now reside, but my high school peers reacted very differently than yours to the Ron and Nancy video. It was greeted by near-universal jeering IIRC. (I was probably stoned during assembly though, so grain of salt…)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: Still basking in the afterglow.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    from 528, Collins has almost 3X as much as Gideon, but IIANM that doesn’t include the Anybody But Collins fund, which IIRC is about $3M. Also probably wouldn’t include Koch/Mercer/etc money, would it? Surprised to see Kelly way up in $$ over McSally, and that race listed as toss-up

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    That’s the OH we know and love.

    Not possible. You know the saying, “To know is to love”? I am the exception to that rule.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: Yeah, no. I’m going to hold out for quahog ice cream.

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    MomSense says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I wish I had been stoned. I looked around at all the Alex P Keatons nodding their heads in agreement and wished for a tidal wave.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    Right, they’re subjected to a lot of junk, but do they have to be subjected to providing an audience for white supremicists to launder their “brand”? This is about who they are as human beings, those children. Birtherism was about denying Obama’s status as a human being. It wasn’t subtle (unless you’re a multimillionaire CNN personality- they took two years to get it). It said “you’re not a real person and you don’t belong here”.

    Should that be IN their fucking school, a place they MUST be? It isn’t a college campus. They can’t look away. In what possible way would that benefit them, and shouldn’t they get something out of it?

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    Pales in comparison to snail ripple.

    ;)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m holding out for Ocelot Nose ice cream.

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Ya gotta try the Chunky Donkey.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    A judge will decide today whether Jeffrey Epstein will remain in jail

    He is the poster boy for FLIGHT RISK.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: “Man, I got so drunk last night I blew chunks…”

    “Don’t worry, dude; we’ve all done that at some point”

    “You don’t understand, Chunks is my dog…”

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    That’s why Obama was extraordinary. He built his own. Clinton did not build her own. Biden will not build his own.

    Kamala is out here building her own.

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    rikyrah says:

    @MomSense:

    The trump women are racist. They don’t care about brown or black children and women. They don’t even consider them part of the category women and children.

    Never forget…HOTUS is the Birther Trophy Wife.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Baud:

    You should know you’ll always have the heartfelt support and sadly irrelevant loyalty of the BJ International Desk.

    Not Voting – Just Cheering

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Baud: Baud 2020!!! Vote for the imperialist running dog!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @SFAW:

    There’s also a chance that the Racist-in-Chief will have an epiphany in the next 24 hours, and stop being a lying, racist, fascistic, traitorous asshole.

    Negative probability now counts as a chance? :)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Get in touch with these folks.

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    Kay says:

    @Another Scott:

    You can break it up any way you want, you’re talking about state suppression of voting- that’s a group- but I’m just saying the centrists have the same burden as the Lefties. They have to show me who their voters are and how they are going to get them voted. Some of these states are non-negotiable. They have to be won. We can bitch all we want but Michigan and Pennsylvania have to be won, because there’s nothing to replace them. It always comes down to putting together pieces for Democrats. All Biden is showing me is some vague “appeal” and he seems to think that’s enough. It’s not enough. Obama knew it wasn’t enough. He was like “I need 15k in THIS county in Wisconsin” – that’s what all that organizing was about. They were counting. We got an actual number with Obama- 8000. That’s what this county had to contribute in votes. They had thousands of those numbers. It’s a HUGE job.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Tony Jay: @Baud: Baud 2020! An Illegally International Campaign

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    p.a. says:

    Civet coffee ice cream. It HAS to have been done.
    I’ve had Cabernet ice cream. Quite nice. I don’t know if they use bottle cab or some low alcohol concoction, but the texture was a bit like soft serve.

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    tokyokie says:

    @SRW1: Berlusconi would be my guess as well. And he’s the closest contemporary figure to Trump in terms of corruption that a Western democracy has produced.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Do reporters even ask Ivanka or Melania about their racist father/husband’s racist statements anymore? Haven’t seen any quotes from them regarding the latest outbursts, but I may have just missed it.

    Melania seals herself off wherever she lives (White House? in her “chain migration” parents’ no-doubt opulent estate? Who knows?) and doesn’t expose herself to the media all that much. So there are probably few opportunities to ask the “Be Best” anti-internet bullying ambassador how she feels about her husband tweeting racist lies to gin up death threats against members of congress.

    But I know the White House is still trotting Ivanka out to take credit for worker training programs or, preposterously, to assert she has something to do with “women’s empowerment.” Maybe someone should ask her about the latest racist garbage directed at women with actual jobs. I don’t see any reason Ivanka should be immune to questioning since she voluntarily took a White House “job.”

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    Quinerly says:

    @MomSense: 💙💛❤️💜💚

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    chris says:

    @Tony Jay: Seconded!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Murkowski is Collins with one quarter of the bullshit and twice the integrity. But Collins allows media to pretend there’s still some flinty New England Republican strain they all worship and Alaska doesn’t so Collins gets all the coverage.

    Collins has voted in lockstep with the awful judicial nominees. Wish a PAC would just put ads over the air for every awful decision these judges have made since confirmation and attach her vote to them.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I hope so. IMO, AA mayors are underrated as organizers but Obama knew they had constituencies who could be mobilized. When I went to the ’08 convention I was in the Ohio group and three Ohio AA mayors were given this place of prominence because everyone knew how important they were – not in a “first AA President” historical way, but in a very practical turn out way. Clinton had rural county chairs but Obama had mayors, and in Ohio one needs mayors more than rural county chairs. I imagine the same is true in PA, although maybe not Michigan, which is a weird spread out state :)

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe :)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @rikyrah: I’ll defer to MomSense and other locals on the politics on the ground, but in ’96 Collins campaigned on a self-imposed term-limit of two. She’s currently running for her fifth term. That kind of thing can sometimes soften up a candidate, and force her to say “You need to send me back to Washington to help Donald trump advance his agenda, to put more Kavangaghs on the Supreme Court”

    ETA: and her political patron Bill Cohen was almost in tears on TV a few months back, when he and a bunch other retired Senators signed some too carefully phrased, almost anti-trump manifesto. If he doesn’t campaign for Collins opponent, we’ll know he was full of shit. I know what I’d bet on.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I’m thrilled she’s unpopular. Well deserved and long time coming. I’ve been sick of her act for years.

    I saw she and Murkowski denounced the Trump Administration racism. Big deal. Just talk. Blah, blah, blah.

  141. 141
    rikyrah says:

    Trump cranks up racist demagoguery in latest distraction gambit

    Rachel Maddow looks at reports that Donald Trump is pleased with the divisive fire he has set in American politics and notes that Trump commonly uses racist demagoguery and other outrageous stunts to distract Americans and the media from things that are causing him greater anxiety than mere controversy.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: I saw she and Murkowski denounced the Trump Administration racism. Big deal. Just talk. Blah, blah, blah.

    Did they say racism, or some mealy-mouthed “divisive rhetoric from both sides” crap?

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    Eolirin says:

    @Kay: I think if Warren or Harris are going to win the nomination, it’s going to be on the back of that kind of effort. Biden can probably take it if no one really puts that kind of work in. And I think if it comes down to Warren or Harris it’s going come down to which one of them is better at it.

    So I hope, and expect, the primary will help select for that. Whether whoever comes out is anywhere near Obama level good is something else though.

    We also have more background organizing through activist groups going on now than we’ve had in a long time I think. 2018 showed signs of mobilization that seemed to me to transcend individual campaigns. It’s not the labor union driven politicial machines, but it’s something. Whether it’ll be durable post Trump is another big open question.

  145. 145
    rikyrah says:

    Prospect of jail could move Epstein to offer up other names

    Rachel Maddow explains the prosecution’s case that Jeffrey Epstein is a flight risk and should not be allowed out on bail while he awaits trial on sex trafficking charges. The prospect of what Epstein might offer to avoid jail may be weighing on his past friends.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Maybe someone should ask her about the latest racist garbage directed at women with actual jobs. I don’t see any reason Ivanka should be immune to questioning since she voluntarily took a White House “job.”

    They mostly stick Ivanka with DeVos, because it’s just kids and literally anyone can “work” on their unimportant issues. Low priority. Stick any hack who needs a job in that slot. I don’t think reporting on education is a prestige job in media. They have a rigid, conventional, prestige “ranking” and issues that pertain to children are not respected as serious. That’s “mommy” stuff- not like intoning on the constitution or foreign policy. That’s for daddies.

    Republicans and media used to admit this ranking. Remember how all “kitchen table” issues were relegated to the “Mommy Party”, which was Democrats? That actually happened. They did that.

  148. 148
    rikyrah says:

    Loose ends left in Cohen case; judge set to unseal new details

    Rachel Maddow reports on the compelling foreshadowing by the judge in the Michael Cohen case ahead of the unsealing of previously redacted parts of the case, and notes the curious disconnect between the number of wrongdoings by others exposed by the Cohen case and the fact that the case is reportedly being closed without further charges.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: right back at you. 💙

  150. 150
    rikyrah says:

    NM to send evidence of Epstein survivor victims to NY prosecutors

    New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas confirms to Rachel Maddow that investigators in his state looking into Jeffrey Epstein’s ranch there have communicated with people who say they were victims of Epstein and will be communicating that evidence to prosecutors in New York.

  151. 151
    rikyrah says:

    Record shows close Donald Trump relationship with Jeffrey Epstein

    Rachel Maddow reviews the well-documented evidence of Donald Trump’s close relationship with sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein, evidence that may be freaking Trump out a little as the new case against Epstein builds momentum.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Kay: Obama did a lot of little things that added up to lot, particularly in the 2008 primaries. His organization helped him do well in Iowa, which he was able to used to leverage the practical black vote away from Clinton in SC (with some help from B. Clinton). From then on, Obama was able to take advantage of the historic moment of being the first non-white with a realistic chance of becoming president. Obama also used the caucus system in some states very effectively, while Clinton was unprepared.
    The general election was a different story. Obama had the advantage of enthusiasm in the African American base (worked here in NC), and a tail wind from an economic catastrophe and a disaster of second Bush term.

    Honestly, I think the best thing to do is just constantly hammer on Trump’s negatives. A lot of people are average schmuck risk averse voters who only turn out when they feel threatened, and Trump scares the hell out of a lot of them, especially when he gets in this Klan rally mode. I don’t think a lot of the marginal voters you’re looking for to put you over the top are going to be wanting any big social or economic revolution because, by their very nature, they are risk averse. Odds are that the economy is going to be softening next year, which only increases their risk aversion. So, if you keep Trump’s outrages as a constant theme, that keeps the base riled up and scares the mushy middle into wanting to get rid of him. Pick a “nice” candidate who doesn’t have some scary big reform agenda, but with enough of an edge to be good at getting under Trump’s skin. Harris is probably best suited for this of all the current top tier candidates, but that’s what I’ll be looking at in the upcoming debates in case someone else emerges. Let Trump kill himself and take the GOP with him.

    OT, saw Jamie Raskin last night on MSNBC talking about impeachment resolutions. That guy is really smart and a good communicator, he definitely should be a candidate for managing any impeachment inquiry.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Hoodie: OT, saw Jamie Raskin last night on MSNBC talking about impeachment resolutions. That guy is really smart and a good communicator, he definitely should be a candidate for managing any impeachment inquiry.

    I was listening, but I also thought he explained the thinking behind what the Dems are doing well. I’m team Pelosi, but she’s a backroom pol (and I mean that as a compliment), and should avoid giving unprepared remarks to pundits (like Maureen Fcuking Dowd)

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Congratulations, let us present you with the Thomas E. Dewey Memorial Trophy. (“You have to know Tom Dewey well to hate him” – a remark credited to the widow of Kenneth Slmpson, GOP national committeman from New York.) The award is a faux-brass statuette in the size & shape of “the little man atop the wedding cake” (Alice Roosevelt Longworth).

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    satby says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Block the fool on FB, Satby. Don’t waste your breath, er, pixels.

    She’s arguing because she’s uncomfortable, and I feel it’s incumbent on me to discomfort the conservatives whenever possible. Occasionally it may lead them to questions, but I don’t expect it. Don’t know if you saw that discussion, but it’s under that Guardian article I shared about the racist in chief.

  156. 156
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: (“You have to know Tom Dewey well to hate him” – a remark credited to the widow of Kenneth Slmpson, GOP national committeman from New York.

    That is the most interesting thing I have ever heard about Dewey. My father has a short bio on his bookshelf, he said it was interesting. Maybe I’ll finally borrow it.

  157. 157
    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos will visit a South Carolina company Thursday to highlight a Trump administration workforce initiative.
    What the U.S. Department of Education’s announcement of the visit doesn’t say: That company, Nephron Pharmaceuticals Corp., has been the focus of national stories about low teacher pay in the Palmetto State.
    That’s because the drug manufacturer employs about 650 current and retired teachers, many of them regularly heading from their classrooms to their second jobs folding cartons, labeling syringes, and packing materials.

    Shit like this happens constantly with DeVos and Ivanka. Two weeks ago they took credit for an apprencticeship program that was utterly and completely OBAMAS. It gets no coverage because covering “education” is low status in media.

    They don’t know this place was used to illustrate how teachers in SC are underpaid because they don’t read or prepare or do any actual work. They don’t think they have to because they have absolute contempt for people who actually put effort into these issues. It’s the arrogance of NOT KNOWING anything and assuming you can do anything.

    Low quality work. That’s all this is. There’s no real effort or thought put into any of it. They got away with it their whole lives because they are privileged and they were surrounded by people who told them they were extraordinary, and they’re not. They’re just bottom of the barrel hires who are only there because of an accident of birth.

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    Quinerly says:

    Epstein doesn’t wear the same shirt twice. And, yes, this IT contractor has regrets over working for him. $400,000 later.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/contractor-jeffrey-epstein-quit-concerns-revealing-pictures-topless/story?id=64406022

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    PAM Dirac says:

    @Hoodie:

    saw Jamie Raskin last night on MSNBC talking about impeachment resolutions. That guy is really smart and a good communicator, he definitely should be a candidate for managing any impeachment inquiry.

    Raskin is my representative. Might not be next time, but with the Supreme Court decision I don’t know if Maryland is going to go though with the redistricting plans. I saw him a fair amount in 2018. He came out to support a lot of local candidates. He knew his seat was safe and even said to donate money to the local candidates, he had enough. He really came off a someone who isn’t afraid to grind out the work that needs to be done, even if it isn’t stuff that will attract media glory.

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    Kay says:

    @Hoodie:

    I have this new crackpot theory (I have a million of them!) that the generic congressional ballot matters, so I looked. Obama was + 9 D in 08 and Clinton was + 1 D in 16, which is even.

    D’s are + 9 right now. Which is good, if they can hold or expand it. Pursuant to my crackpot theory. Obama did have tailwinds. Good point.

    I actually think Pelosi probably keeps an eye on Congressional D numbers. I don’t know why she wouldn’t. That’s part of why I give her more leeway than many. She has a specific area.

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    Kay says:

    @Hoodie:

    And I would like Democrats to do more of that. Focus on their respective areas as part of a team. I think it would work better. Pelosis political area is House D’s- keeping a majority. I know this makes everyone mad and they want to go to broad strokes but I don’t think they should. Split up the work. Specialize.

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    rikyrah says:

    Trump cruelty policy provokes protests from religious groups

    Rachel Maddow reports on another shocking story of Trump administration cruelty to immigrant children in which a 3-year-old was made to choose which parent would be deported, and Jewish and Catholic groups organizing protests against Trump’s policies.

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    Zzyzx says:

    @Baud: sorry so late. The front page post from yesterday saying that the impeachment no vote was some incredible win for Trump. In a matter of hours it’s off the news in favor of covering that chant.

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    Barbara says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: She is Exhibit A for my belief that “everything Trump touches turns to shit” is too simplistic, the truth really is, “Trump’s touch exposes the shit that was always lurking beneath the surface.” She is weak, unprincipled and, maybe worst of all, allows herself to be deluded by her own wishful thinking.

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    Barbara says:

    @Zzyzx: I didn’t participate in that thread but I would like to observe that it’s probably wrong to try to amplify the importance of every symbolic or procedural vote, on impeachment or anything else. It’s allowing yourself to spend way too much time and energy arguing over the importance of things.

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    Kay says:

    @Hoodie:

    This is entirely anecdotal but one of my sisters is a “centrist” D- a “Party person” as they say around here and SHE is now backing impeachment because she just thinks the lawlessness has reached a terrifying tipping point. That brought me up short a little, because she’s really transactional, and she’s now at “fuck it- roll the dice- it’s the right thing to do”

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    I’m expecting MAGA Youth chapters. You know it’s coming.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Quinerly: Pence is (most likely) the one pushing the religious persecution angle (with Pompeo). Donnie obviously doesn’t care one bit. There’s no money-making angle in it for him, so he doesn’t care.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    BAUD 2020 – FOREIGN DONATION CENTRE

    “It’s Not a Crime If You Don’t Have to Do Time”

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    the Conster says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Is this the same media we’re supposed to put all our faith in to cover *impeachment* hearings 24/7 with the proper amount of earnest due diligence so that those mythical low-information voters who have somehow avoided all the reporting of Trump’s treason and crimes will wake up and storm Mitch McConnell’s office demanding a Senate conviction?

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    Mandalay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Do reporters even ask Ivanka or Melania about their racist father/husband’s racist statements anymore?

    They don’t AFAIK, but what would be the point anyway?..
    – I despise those Trumps as much as anyone here, but it’s tacky, and very low journalism, to ask anyone to badmouth their husband/father in front of a camera, even if the reporter lamely tries to link it to Melania’s anti-bullying campaign or Ivanka’s empowerment of women nonsense.
    – It could easily backfire.
    – I don’t have the slightest doubt that Trump might try to fuck up the life of any reporter who seriously embarrassed his wife or daughter.

    The people to aggressively ask about Trump’s racist statements are the cowardly Republicans in Congress. They are fair game, but are not going to willingly expose themselves to hostile questions.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Another Scott:

    @Quinerly: Pence is (most likely) the one pushing the religious persecution angle (with Pompeo). Donnie obviously doesn’t care one bit. There’s no money-making angle in it for him, so he doesn’t care.

    I thought it was obvious from the get go that all the religiously based hatred stuff, especially targeting the LGBT community is ALL Pence based.
    Why do people forget that interview that Kasich did, telling what Dolt45 offered him to be VP. That basically, Dolt45 would be ‘ Chairman of the Board’, but that Kasich, as VP, could handle the day to day stuff. WHY do we think it’s any different with Pence? ALL the religious stuff has Pence written all over it. The targeting of Trans folks. The attempt to erase gay families by invalidating their adoptions. …Smells of Pence.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    Agreed. AOC said it was bad for black and brown kids and she’s right, but it’s also bad for white kids because these sleazebags are going to go back to their lives as private sector crooks at some point and those kids will (still) all be Americans and the Trump Administration behavior is actually unacceptable in an ordinary workplace. They can’t behave as poorly as the Trump Family and Administration when they are ordinary adults who have to meet bare minimum societal standards. I’m not fucking hiring any of these people and I live in rural Ohio. About 20% of my customers are Latinos. I can’t have “go back to where you came from”. I don’t want that and I won’t have it. It’s bad. If I can do better than that here as far as employees who aren’t horrible assholes anyone can, anywhere.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Kay: Most centrists I know are just risk averse people in the “can’t we just all get along?” vein. They only tip when things start to scare them. I was talking about this with my son last night. I think a big reason for Obama’s success is the guy is so freaking calm and reassuring, the whole no drama thing. That alone was reassuring to a lot of centrists, irrespective of policies. Looking back, a lot of the most popular presidents just had good temperaments, even if they weren’t all that successful from a policy point of view. Ultimately, the presidency is an executive job, not a policy position. Most people don’t want a scary president.

    Getting back to Trump, he is becoming scarier by the day, so we may be to the point where normally disengaged voters will want to get rid of him like a bad date, the kind that may have seemed intriguing at one point but turns out to be a creep. That doesn’t mean they want to sign on to ending private health insurance.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @MomSense: Proud Boys. Already here.

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    Another Scott says:

    Reuters has the least surprising story, ever:

    About 85% of the recreational vehicles sold in the United States are built in and around Elkhart County, making it a popular stop for politicians to tout their visions for U.S. manufacturing – including President Donald Trump, who staged a rally here last May.

    And yet this uniquely American manufacturing sector has been caught in the crossfire of Trump’s trade war, according to interviews with industry insiders and economists, along with data showing a steep sales decline amid rising costs and consumer prices. The industry has taken hits from U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum and other duties on scores of Chinese-made RV parts, from plumbing fixtures to electronic components to vinyl seat covers.

    […]

    Sitting in an office near the front of the Adnik factory, Bond and Ronald Dick, the company’s brand manager, spent an hour griping about the speed and scope of their materials costs increases. And yet, like many in this region that strongly supported Trump’s election, they often added the caveat that they support the larger goal of the tariffs to protect U.S. factories from unfair foreign competition.

    “It’s good for our country in the long haul,” said Dick, “but it’s going to hurt.”

    […]

    IOW, “Donnie says only he can fix it, so I’ll ignore my own lying eyes,” probably.

    Obama saved the RV industry in Indiana, but they decided that they’d vote for Rmoney and the Teabaggers and Donnie instead. The industry is shrinking again, but they refuse to see that GOP policies have anything to do with it. They’ll (most likely) overwhelmingly vote for Donnie and his minions again unless they wake up… I won’t hold my breath.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    frosty says:

    @Kay: “We got an actual number with Obama- 8000. That’s what this county had to contribute in votes. “

    Exactly. Our precinct captain said the same thing a little differently. “If our county goes 34% Democratic we’ll take PA.” We were a couple points higher and we did. Meanwhile I’m depressed as hell about it – 34% is good???

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    James E Powell says:

    @Baud:

    If Jeffrey Epstein can depart for a country that doesn’t have extradition, why wouldn’t he?

    Also, and this is because I’ve seen too many movies, does Epstein have reason to fear for his life?

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    rikyrah says:

    EEEEEKKKK!!!

    Nearly 100 Types of Hummus Recalled for Potential Listeria Contamination

    By Cookinglight.com

    Ten popular hummus brands have issued a nationwide recall after Listeria was detected at large manufacturing facility.

    This story originally appeared on Cookinglight.com by Lauren Wicks.

    Pita Pal Foods is issuing a nationwide recall for dozens of its hummus products, sold under 10 various brand names, after Listeria was found at a major manufacturing facility. These products include those from the popular Lantana brand, as well as some regional grocery store brands such as Harris-Teeter, Reasor’s, 7-Select, Lidl, and Fresh Thyme.

    No related illnesses have been reported to date, but the company is issuing this voluntary recall out of precaution. Foods contaminated with Listeria often do not smell or look spoiled, but can still lead to life-threatening infections and serious symptoms including nausea, vomiting, fever, muscle aches, neck stiffness, and severe headaches.

    They have the entire list of the brands at the link.

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    rikyrah says:

    @James E Powell:

    Also, and this is because I’ve seen too many movies, does Epstein have reason to fear for his life?

    His co-conspirators/clients/blackmail victims….

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Mandalay: I see it differently because they volunteered for these jobs, especially Ivanka, who has ensconced herself in a West Wing office. She’s as much fair game as any elected Republican in my book — perhaps even more so since we can’t unelect her — and since she pretends to serve women and POC in her “job,” her attitude toward her father’s racist/misogynist statements is pertinent, IMO.

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    different-church-lady says:

    It occurs to me: Going by 20th century mythology, Trump is the most UN-American president we’ve ever had. The supposition is that America was built on a foundation of inclusiveness and tolerance. Trump is trying to undo “The Melting Pot.”

    Someone who is a better wordsmith than I ought to take this and turn it into campaign material. “Trump: against American values.” Take patriotism back.

    Yes, the obviously reality is a hell of a lot more complicated (and ugly) than the mythology, but to hell with it, grab the fuckin’ mic and work all that shit they drummed into us in grade school.

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    Kay says:

    @frosty:

    That’s a hard truth but it’s exactly the way I think so I was suited to it. I completely believe in inches :)

    I saw it work once, after ’08, for a school levy. They gave me “these east side precincts” and that’s all I did. I love that! My thing will be perfect :)

    I also don’t mind, at all, being a political minority. I kind of revel in it, honestly. I think you have to be confident and solid in your beliefs which is why I find all this conservative whining about how everyone doesn’t love them enough amusing. A lot of liberals live in their areas. We’re not demanding to be loved.

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    the Conster says:

    @Another Scott:

    When are we going to accept as a country that the majority of white people – at least the ones who vote – will pay ANY PRICE for white supremacy? That they’re NOT voting against their interests, at all. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, and hopefully are going to get it good and hard.

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    Kay says:

    @frosty:

    I read that Tiffany Trump is mad because she has some bug up her ass about how “Google” – the search engine- isn’t subservient enough to her father.

    So, a gross moron too, and another one who petulantly demands we LOVE her. They’re so fucking needy. Go get a life Tiffany. Make yourself useful. We don’t owe you shit. It’s not enough that they’re mean-spirited assholes, they’re mean spirited assholes who insist that everyone love and admire them. No. You’re bad.

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    Another Scott says:

    In other news, Twitter:

    Nancy Pelosi Verified account @SpeakerPelosi

    Nearly a third of working women would receive a raise under the #RaiseTheWage Act. We can’t pass up this opportunity to help eliminate the wage gap by raising the federal minimum wage!

    8:09 AM – 18 Jul 2019

    Good, good. More please.

    I’m sure that too many savvy commentators will dismiss this as just “pointless virtue signalling”, but this is good. Nancy knows how to do politics. Let real people (especially women!) know that they’re passing good bills that will actually help them (especially women!), and that the GOP is blocking them. It’s not a panacea, but it’s how to fight against Donnie’s distractions.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    There is no reasonable explanation for the deference that the press/media give to Ivanka and Jared. They would never do it for any Democrat. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and then hired Chelsea and Marc Mezvinsky for any position. The New York Times would have gone DefCon1.

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    the Conster says:

    @James E Powell:

    Is this the same media that will give deference to Democratic hearings on all of Trump’s crimes? Like the skepticism shown with Barr’s summary of the Mueller Report?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @satby:

    been going back and forth with a right winger on FB for two days who won’t STFU.

    I really do not understand why people have long drawn-out political fights on FB. Hide the fucker’s feed. With only a couple of exceptions, my FB friends are people I know and like IRL. I very seldom get the fake news articles that I am told are out there and my feed seldom sees political arguments. Part of that is probably due to the fact that most of my circle of family and friends are Democrats. I do get message from FB more of less telling me that I am Facebooking wrong and that I should check out blah blah blah. FB also keeps suggesting friends of friends as people I may want to add including a bunch of people I suspect to be commenters here. Given the agita that many of you seem to experience with your FB accounts, I will stick to my method and simply use it to keep up with people i know. No offense intended toward anyone here.

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    Barbara says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I barely look at FB anymore and have never accepted friend requests except from people I know IRL as more than just casual acquaintances. Part of that is so that I feel free to say things without precipitating nastygrams. Even so, I see what some people (e.g., my husband’s nephew) post and wonder what they think of me.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Amir Khalid: Jim Webb (politician) and Jimmy Webb (song writer) are not the same fellow.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Another Scott:

    I want Elkhart, Indiana to be a fucking ghost town. I want it to be completely devoid of people under the age of 35 and dominated by bitter old people who complain endlessly about Democrats while they stand in line for food stamps.

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    The AP published an opinion piece entitled Trump v. Dems: ‘Racist’ and ‘socialist’ lines drawn for 2020. Not health care. Not foreign policy. Not the Supreme Court. Racism vs. socialism.

    My local newspaper front-paged this opinion piece.

    Good job.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I am hardly on FB anymore these days, because I’ve been putting off culling down my list of “friends”. Bleccch.

    That said, you are one of the jackals I wish I actually had in my feed, I am sure I would find it tres amusant.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @MomSense: if it happens we fight. I’m there

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Citizen Alan: I just want them to die of obesity and opioid addiction then cut of federal funding but that’s just me

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    J R in WV says:

    @rikyrah:

    Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) Tweeted:
    You can’t say Trump is a racist and then say nothing about his voters. It doesn’t work like that.

    Quoted for truth!! You and Marcus are on track today!! Despicable Deplorables!!

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    misterpuff says:

    @SFAW: And then the Thugs would impeach him.

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