For the Love of Anyone’s Deity, Would Someone Please Donate a Strategist to the House Democratic Caucus!!!!

I’m traveling this week, with lots of 0300 starts and wasn’t planning to post, but I just got into the gym at the airport hotel I’m staying at ahead of tomorrow’s pre dawn flight, and MSNBC is on the TV. And the Democrats are actually voting to table (put it to the side and not take up impeachment) an impeachment resolution of the President. This is happening despite only 89 members of the House Democratic caucus publicly stating they support starting an impeachment inquiry!

I have no idea whose idea this is, but I cannot state loudly or strongly enough how galactically stupid this is. Strategic and political malpractice at the highest levels! When this passes, meaning the House will not move to take up impeachment at this time, and it will pass, the President will spend the next week crowing about how he’s been cleared. He’ll use it to chew up the information space that should be devoted to the spillover onto him from the Epstein case, from his publicly going full in on blood and soil herrenvolkism where racism and anti-Semitism in defense of Judaism and Jews equated with Israel and Israelis is no vice, and the upcoming Mueller hearings in the House.

The motion to table just passed: 136 Democrats for, 93 against, and 1 present (abstaining). 194 Republicans and the 1 Independent (Amash?) voted to table it as well. So for now, the House, with overwhelming bipartisan support, isn’t going to do anything more on impeachment and I expect the President will start screaming about being cleared any time now.

Completely irresponsible political theater!

Open thread!

PS: Before anyone asks, I think the House should have a special select committee on impeachment focusing all the investigations through one point leading to either impeachment or exoneration. That’s not what happened with today’s strategic stupidity.






248 replies
  1. 1
    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’ll be over here in the gym with the useful dumbbells if anyone needs me.

  2. 2

    So Speaker Silverman, what would you do? You don’t have the votes in your caucus to either impeach Trump or refer it to Judiciary.

  3. 3
    eemom says:

    Yeah, you’ll need those. That thundering sound you hear is the Pelosi Dick Sucker Zombie Brigade coming for your ass.

  4. 4
    Another Scott says:

    Don’t panic, grasshopper. Congress.gov:

    H.Res.646 – Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, of high misdemeanors.
    115th Congress (2017-2018)

    RESOLUTION Hide Overview

    Sponsor: Rep. Green, Al [D-TX-9] (Introduced 12/06/2017)

    Latest Action: House – 12/06/2017 On motion to table the measure Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 364 – 58, 4 Present (Roll no. 658). (All Actions)
    Roll Call Votes: There has been 1 roll call vote

    He apparently has done this more than once.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  5. 5
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Special select committee on impeachment to focus and drive all the investigations. Judiciary, Intel,
    Ways & Means, and Oversight all feed it.
    One point of contact for media and Americans. Basically a legit and righteous version of what Boehner did with his special Benghazi committee. I did a whole post on this a while back.

  6. 6
    eemom says:

    Oooops, too late.

  7. 7

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t think the Speaker has enough support in her caucus for that.

    ETA: I agree with you that one committee to investigate Trump’s misconduct is a good idea.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: he’s filed the bill several times, this is the first and only vote.
    I’ve got no issue with Green pushing for this, but you don’t bring this to the floor for a vote until you’ve got the votes to actually do it.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Oh boy, the “eemom’s psychotic break” thread came early tonight.

  10. 10

    Adam, I’ll volunteer if you’ll recommend me!

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    Another Scott says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Maybe I’m misreading the congress.gov link, but it says that there was a vote to table in December 2017 that was 364-58. So today’s vote of 332-95 is actually a little bit of progress, toward impeachment.

    I don’t think it illustrates any great divide or anything else in the Democratic House.

    I don’t see a problem with Pelosi having a vote on it either. There’s a few hours of Twitter noise, then they move on to something else.

    Just like last time (in the last congress).

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  12. 12
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Tribute?

  13. 13
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Chyron HR: Here at Balloon Juice we try to give the audience what it wants!

  14. 14
    eemom says:

    @Another Scott:

    Don’t panic, grasshopper.

    Indeed. Why should ANY white man panic? You’re not the parent of the next Eric Garner whose murderer the “attorney general of the united states” is going to personally let off the hook…nor a brown toddler locked in a cage….nor a brown adult working his fingers to the bone targeted for an ICE raid….nor a kid drinking lead water…..ad infinitum. You’ve got all the time in the world.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    One point of contact for media and Americans.

    I assume Maggie has been delegated that from the last time. //s

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    Mike in DC says:

    My vain hope is that 20+ Dems come out in support of an impeachment inquiry following Mueller’s testimony next week, then the holdouts catch hell at town halls in August, so the dam breaks and things get underway after Labor day.

  17. 17
    different-church-lady says:

    Unclear on why I want to download an app that ages my falce when I can JUST LOOK IN THE FUCKIN’ MIRROR AND WATCH IT HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN REAL TIME

    (DCL +7 potentially…)

  18. 18
    TenguPhule says:

    @eemom:

    You’ve got all the time in the world.

    You do realize Adam is Jewish, don’t you?

    “And that train is never late!” //

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    debbie says:

    I agree with your P.S., and I like that it’s named what an actual impeachment committee would be named. Just to freak out Trump.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC:

    My vain hope is that 20+ Dems come out in support of an impeachment inquiry following Mueller’s testimony next week, then the holdouts catch hell at town halls in August, so the dam breaks and things get underway after Labor day.

    I too would like a unicorn that shits gold bricks.

  21. 21
    eemom says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Really. You think I’m psychotic too, huh?

  22. 22
    Another Scott says:

    @eemom: Non-sequitur.

    Green’s bill won’t do anything about the issues you raised. You know that.

    (sigh)

    Did it change anything in December 2017?

    The vote was forced by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), who introduced articles of impeachment describing Trump as a bigot who incites hate and has demeaned the presidency.

    “Donald John Trump, by causing such harm to the society of the United States is unfit to be president and warrants impeachment, trial and removal from office,” Green said on the House floor as he introduced the articles.

    But Green, a seven-term, Houston-area lawmaker, said his conscience compelled him to push forward with the measure, even though he acknowledged he was unlikely to succeed.

    “Now is not the time to consider articles of impeachment,” Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer said in a joint statement, shortly after Green introduced his articles of impeachment.

    They were right then, and they’re right now.

    Work has to be done before Impeachment will succeed in the House. That work is in progress.

    Patience.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  23. 23
    different-church-lady says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I WANT ICE CREAM!

  24. 24
    bystander says:

    Anyone else expecting twitler to start tweeting “stay strong wink wink” to his pal Epstein?

    Also has anyone noticed that twitler admires 2 avowed, card carrying Communists, VP and KJU? So why not the Squad? Not enough murders?

  25. 25
    eemom says:

    @TenguPhule:

    That wasn’t really directed at Adam, but whatever. Didn’t think you subscribed to the Jews are not white school….but whatever that, too. After all, I AM the psycho here.

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    debbie says:

    @Another Scott:

    If the GOP forced more than 60 votes to try and end ACA, then Green ought to be allowed his handful of bills.

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    @eemom: Excuse me, how is the Speaker or the House supposed to stop all these things?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I agree about having one committe manage all the investigations — that seems the most elegant, in the mathematical sense, approach. I’d like to see the investigations be as prominent as those silly Benghazi hearings were. I keep hoping we’ll get there.

    I am not convinced though that it matters that Trump will crow about this ridiculous motion, claiming that it clears him.

    He’s always crowing about himself, it is just more noise, and soon there will be yet another topic of the crowing.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @eemom: only until I’m +3 or so….

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    eemom says:

    @Another Scott:

    (sigh)

    There is a constitutionally prescribed remedy for a brazenly lawless administration which needs to be taken NOW.

    And it is not a non-sequitur to point out why your privileged white ass feels no urgency.

    So shove your condescending sigh up the foregoing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @eemom:

    Didn’t think you subscribed to the Jews are not white school….but whatever that, too.

    I’m sorry, what part of actual Nazis are running the government was not clear the first time?

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    Leto says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: As speaker she needs literally no support to do this. Also a special select committee, or an impeachment inquiry, has no timetable. Before you even begin impeachment talks, you have an inquiry. Let me restate for the eternal hard of hearing: zero timetable. Like the Mueller report had no timetable.

    I’m actually in the camp of, “Impeachment Won’t Happen”. Basically because we’re out of time. Even if we start an inquiry today, based on our two current past examples, it’ll take at least a year and that’ll put us into the middle of the 2020 election. The House would never move forward with it, even if we did have 218 votes and wanting to uphold the rule of law, and will punt it to the electorate. Also I’m of the firm belief that even if we did catch Trumpov doodling underage children, taking $$$/information from Russian/whoever, AND snorting coke off the Resolute Desk, we will still won’t have enough Dems to move forward with impeachment. Enough of them will hem and haw, saying now is not the time, he’s not worth it, and everything else under the sun. Not even mentioning Republicans because why would you?

    Also the “drip drip drip” theory is bullshit. At this point, wtf else do you (imaginary undecided voter) need at this point? We’ve had 2 1/2 years of this shit. Wtf else do you want? What new imaginary piece of information will make the difference? How much lower do you need him to go (don’t worry, he’ll reach it). It doesn’t matter. At this point if you can’t decide between the two, America deserves it’s third world status. Back to my beer garden.

  33. 33
    Another Scott says:

    In other news, GovExec:

    […]

    Pelosi has insisted the [FY20 budget and debt ceiling] deal also include a provision to raise or suspend the debt ceiling. Mnuchin told Pelosi last week that due to a revision in when the Treasury will hit its borrowing limit, Congress should act before the summer recess to avoid risking a default.

    The House speaker said if the deal is reached by Friday, lawmakers can get the bill written and vote on it by Thursday of next week. That would give the Senate sufficient time to act.

    Congress has agreed to three separate two-year budget deals since the spending caps went into effect in 2013. Pelosi, Schumer and Mnuchin spoke by phone on Wednesday, after which the negotiators said they were hopeful the talks had spurred progress.

    “It’s all about money,” Pelosi said when asked what was holding up negotiations.

    The speaker recently sent a letter to Mnuchin reiterating Democrats’ demand that any deal raise spending levels for non-defense agencies at least as much as the increase for the Defense Department. Absent a deal, defense and non-defense spending would face total cuts of $125 billion next year. Pelosi also demanded that spending for the Veterans Affairs Department’s expansion of government-funded private care under the Mission Act be considered outside of VA’s normal spending allocation.

    “We don’t want vets resources to be competing with each other or competing with very valuable domestic priorities,” Pelosi said on Wednesday.

    […]

    Good, good.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  34. 34
    Harbison says:

    “Great Grandma, what do you do to fight against Trump and the Nazis when you were in Congress?”

    “Well, dear child, I voted to table an impeachment inquiry of the Trump because we would have probably lost in Senate, anyway.”

  35. 35
    TenguPhule says:

    @eemom:

    That wasn’t really directed at Adam, but whatever

    My bad, its been a long day and I my eyes saw Another Scott as Adam Silverman.

  36. 36
    Mike in DC says:

    @TenguPhule: I should clarify that I think the window for commencing the inquiry only extends to the end of 2019. If the appetite for doing so is not there by then, no way in hell will it happen in 2020.

  37. 37
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @eemom: No I don’t. Intemperate and inflammatory at times, but that’s most of us here at times. What I was doing was being a smartass in response to that comment.

  38. 38
    TenguPhule says:

    @Leto:

    I’m actually in the camp of, “Impeachment Won’t Happen”. Basically because we’re out of time. Even if we start an inquiry today, based on our two current past examples, it’ll take at least a year and that’ll put us into the middle of the 2020 election.

    3 more months and I’ll throw my towel in after yours.

  39. 39
    Another Scott says:

    @eemom: I don’t think the Constitution says that Impeachment needs to start July 17, 2019.

    Nobody would have been happier than me to have Trump impeached on 1201 PM EST January 20, 2017. That didn’t happen.

    Politics is slow. You really need to accept that. Yelling at me and others here isn’t going to speed up the process.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  40. 40
    different-church-lady says:

    @Adam L Silverman: WHERE’S MY ICE CREAM, SILVERMAN??2?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Another Scott:

    Good catch. This is Green’s regular gadfly motion.

    I’m sitting in the Lost Dog Café sipping an eponymous draft and waiting for some pizzas to go, so it’s not a good research situation.

  42. 42
    TenguPhule says:

    @Another Scott: My only concern is that any deal Pelosi and Schumer make, Trump will happily break once the actual money is legally available to the federal government again.

    Because that’s how he rolls.

  43. 43
    zzyzx says:

    I’m not really all that worried if Trump wins a few news cycles in the middle of summer 15 months before the election. This will all be forgotten in a few days when the next insanity happens.

  44. 44
    TenguPhule says:

    @different-church-lady:

    WHERE’S MY ICE CREAM, SILVERMAN??2?

    Your choices are Mayo Icecream or Ketchup icecream.

  45. 45
    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC: If they don’t kick things off by October, they’re never going to. Congressional recesses will see them gone till 2020 and then all hell breaks loose.

  46. 46
    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @different-church-lady:

    There’s my screamy girl! I’ve missed you.

  47. 47
    TenguPhule says:

    Contempt Votes on Barr and Ross have passed.

    /not holding my breath on actual enforcement to happen

  48. 48
    different-church-lady says:

    @TenguPhule: Jesus, don’t let Loomis get wind of this!

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    Eolirin says:

    @Leto: The house moving to impeach so that the senate can exonerate gains us very little. It’s not clear if it helps or hurts with the election.

    And nothing even has the potential of changing until the election, unless Trump becomes so toxic the Republicans turn on him, and they have their own closed media universe, so that isn’t realistically going to happen.

    It’s important to recognize that we really have no power here, at least as far as getting rid of Trump is concerned, and the only power we’re going to have are the elections. This far out from them nothing really matters. The electorate is mostly tuned out and has a short memory.

  50. 50
    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I don’t think that as a front-pager you should be piling on, or giving that appearance.

  51. 51
    TenguPhule says:

    We are in the worst timeline.

    We tried the KFC Cheetos sandwich so now you’ll have to

    As if one fat orange monster wasn’t bad enough.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @TenguPhule: y bad, its been a long day and I my eyes saw Another Scott as Adam Silverman.

    Put them together, and they’re Adam Scott, or Another Silverman

    More than any of these symbolic votes, I’m interested in whether Nadler has managed to convince the member of the Judiciary to turn the questioning of Mueller over to a single lawyer who won’t be seeking to speechify and get a viral clip. He’s a reluctant and notoriously close-mouthed witness, and Dems have half of (I believe) three hours worth of five minute intervals, and I don’t know if breaks and parliamentary stalling count against the three hours. Anyone? It’s a huge challenge to get him to say something damning of trump, in spite of himself, in a way that’s black-and-white enough for lazy people. In the middle of summer.

  53. 53

    The problem is not entirely Nancy Pelosi.

    Moderate Democrats are getting skittish about confronting Trump’s racism. Seriously?

    Some House Democrats from purplish states are complaining that too much time and attention have been spent on Trump’s racism. It’s not clear what they would have done, because they are whining anonymously to New York Times (and other) reporters.

    Greg Sargent:

    Moderate Democrats: No matter how purple your district is, if you can’t explain to swing voters why Trump’s racist and white-nationalist displays and provocations are unacceptable in terms that they’ll understand — if this isn’t a fight you want to have — then you should ask yourself what the heck you’re doing there in the first place.

  54. 54

    @Leto:

    As speaker she needs literally no support to do this. Also a special select committee, or an impeachment inquiry, has no timetable. Before you even begin impeachment talks, you have an inquiry. Let me restate for the eternal hard of hearing: zero timetable. Like the Mueller report had no timetable.

    Technically, impeachment just requires a vote of the House, they could literally do it in 15 minutes. I do understand the impeachment process(when it’s done right), I’m old enough to live though two Presidential impeachments(Nixon and Clinton).

  55. 55
    Mary G says:

    They just voted Barr and Wilbur in contempt.

  56. 56
    Martin says:

    @Mary G: Good. More of this.

  57. 57
    Sloane Ranger says:

    Jake Tapper was all Dems in Disarray on The Lead earlier with reports of moderates telling reporters off the record that, while they felt they had to publicly support “The Squad”, they were unhappy as they felt they got precious little support back and last night’s vote of censure allowed the Thugs to portray the entire party as rampant socialists planning to seize and redistribute all private property.

    I don’t know much about how the House of Representatives works, but I do know that,even in the House of Commons with it’s much stronger party structure, if a backbencher wants to ignore the Party leadership and put forward a Private Members Bill, there is a mechanism to do so.

    In this case, I think it’s been useful. There has been a lot of discussion here recently about starting Impeachment proceedings. This has been a reality check, proving what cooler heads had suspected, there aren’t the votes there for it. What happens next is up to Party members. They now know who stands where. If those who voted against start catching merry hell from their constituents, they’ll come on board, if those same constituents either support them or remain silent – they won’t.

  58. 58
    Jay says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

    27 House Resolutions were introduced starting in 1972 to Impeach Nixon. None passed or made it to Commitee.

    Each one did move the Overton Window on Impeachment.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ReThugs held 10 different Bengahzi!!!!!!!! hearings, none of which had any results in the House or Senate, but did move the Overton Window in the MSM, Wingnuttia and the Low Informed.

  59. 59
    Mike in DC says:

    @TenguPhule: Right, so September is pretty much it. It would help if the leading presidential candidates all supported the initiation of an impeachment inquiry.

  60. 60
    Jay says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Jake Tapper at CNN had a full metal Nazi with blood dripping from his hands on yesterday, Richard Spencer, to explain why Dolt45 wasn’t racist.

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    the Conster says:

    Who enforces contempt orders against members of the administration? The DOJ? Oh.

  62. 62
    Jay says:

    @Mike in DC:

    October probably, September starts slow.

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    kindness says:

    There is a reason Nancy wanted them to wait. Nancy knows how to count votes. Nancy knew the votes weren’t there.

    For all of you who say Nancy is failing the Democratic Party, you might not agree with Nancy but Nancy is right. This isn’t her fault.

  64. 64

    @Sloane Ranger: I’ve just been responding to Tapper’s thread on the whining from “House Dems 1-4.”

    AOC and the Squad stand up and speak out. They use their own names.

    Here is the world’s tiniest violin playing a sad song for House Dems 1-4. 🎻

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Sloane Ranger: I didn’t see the Tapper segment, but I skimmed over this thread where he talks about it, Dave Weigel, ex- Randroid and ex-Naderite who now seems at least Bernie-curious, was not impressed

    Dave Weigel @ daveweigel
    Remarkable thread with one Dem hiding behind anonymity to emphasize that the party didn’t pass a resolution condemning Omar!

    Though I will say there are actually four anonymous cowards whining to Tapper, and I say that as a (relative) moderate myself. If you don’t have the guts and the character to be quoted by name, don’t go slagging fellow Dems to the Broderist Caucus. I blame the idiot emo-Bernie-Bro Chakrabarti* for a lot of the chaos of the last couple of weeks, but at least he isn’t hiding behind “one prominent Hill staffer” or the like.

    * with the caveat that Nancy Pelosi is the leader of the caucus and handled the situation badly in several different ways.

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    Martin says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Jake Tapper was all Dems in Disarray on The Lead earlier with reports of moderates telling reporters off the record that, while they felt they had to publicly support “The Squad”, they were unhappy as they felt they got precious little support back and last night’s vote of censure allowed the Thugs to portray the entire party as rampant socialists planning to seize and redistribute all private property.

    Well, maybe if the moderates had a fucking spine, they might see fit to ensure the socialists aren’t doing all the work out there.

  67. 67
    TenguPhule says:

    @kindness:

    Nancy knows how to count votes. Nancy knew the votes weren’t there.

    As Speaker, Nancy is expected to cajole, bully, bribe and otherwise corral votes from her caucus as needed for important issues.

    It would be nice if stopping Donald Trump from initiating a Fascist takeover of the federal government was one of them.

  68. 68
    Jay says:

    @the Conster:

    The Sergeant of Arms for the House and Senate, and the Deputy Sergeant of Arms who does not report to the DOJ, and can also call in the Capital Police.

  69. 69
    debbie says:

    @the Conster:

    Trump’s not a strategizing kind of guy. Someone must have figured out this trick (Rudi?) and told him how to go about doing it.

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G:

    Kudos to House Dems.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Careful, Adam. Pretty soon some people around here will start saying you’ve gone all emo on us…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Jake Tapper @ jaketapper
    2/ “The president won this one,” said House Dem 1 of the Trump v Squad (AOC, Tlaib, Omar & Pressley) showdown. “What the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks and the president has now identified the entire party with them.”

    Jon Favreau @ jonfavs
    USA Today poll:

    68% believe Trump’s tweets were offensive
    59% believe Trump’s tweets are “un-American”
    65% believe what Trump said is racist, including a plurality of Republicans (45-34%)

    And people are still arguing this was a win for Trump? Seriously?

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I never said any of these people are providing Profiles in Courage. There seems to be very little of that among the political class in either of our nations.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Trump’s approval rating among Republicans went up five points.

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    @TenguPhule:

    As Speaker, Nancy is expected to cajole, bully, bribe and otherwise corral votes from her caucus as needed for important issues.

    A good Speaker can do that on the margins, you can’t push a chain.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Chief Oshkosh: I wouldn’t use the phrase “all emo on us;” just stick with emo.

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    A tabled impeachment measure is not going to get more than five minutes in the national spotlight, if that, especially since Trump will step on his dick again before the end of the day. Just watch. Passing impeachment in the House and having it voted down in the Senate would dominate the national news for quite awhile, and the unanimous verdict from grassroots to pundits would be that the Democrats are weak and useless failures. Do you think more than the tiniest handful of people screaming for Trump to be impeached now would go “Oh, well, they tried, so I’m happy with them.” Hell, no. No political credit would be gained passing impeachment now. No practical effect in stopping Trump would be gained. That leaves balancing the desire of her caucus to make moral statements and public gestures, which I assume this is.

    My guess, and this is only a guess, is that Pelosi is slow-walking this until next year, because what she actually wants is the investigations to be dominating the news during the Presidential campaign, and if the Senate votes down an impeachment resolution for all Democrats to be able to point fingers at McConnell as an extra reason to vote. That won’t work if impeachment fails now. All we would get is everyone remembering Democrats are losers.

    @TenguPhule:

    It would be nice if stopping Donald Trump from initiating a Fascist takeover of the federal government was one of them.

    …and this has exactly what to do with the House voting to impeach Donald Trump? Pelosi is doing the things within her power. A lot of those are slow or don’t show up on the news or both.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    What’s funny is that the lefty internet will now cite Tapper’s Twitter quote of House Dem 1 as proof positive of Pelosi’s true agenda.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @Jay: Uh oh, Jay, pointing out actual history like this will get you labeled as emo.

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    the Conster says:

    @Jay:

    To arrest Barr and Ross? Is that going to happen, really? We’re going to lock them up? Where? The DC jail?

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    @Sloane Ranger: I wasn’t criticizing you. Just adding my little bit.

  82. 82
    Jay says:

    @the Conster:

    Both the House and Senate have their own jails. The record for incarceration was 165 days with a fine of $5,000 a day.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    My guess, and this is only a guess, is that Pelosi is slow-walking this until next year, because what she actually wants is the investigations to be dominating the news during the Presidential campaign

    I hope this is not the actual plan.

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    Jay says:

    BTW,

    If you use #FaceApp you are giving them a license to use your photos, your name, your username, and your likeness for any purpose including commercial purposes (like on a billboard or internet ad) — see their Terms: https://t.co/e0sTgzowoN pic.twitter.com/XzYxRdXZ9q— Elizabeth Potts Weinstein (@ElizabethPW) July 17, 2019

    It’s a Russian App.

    Heads up.

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    the Conster says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Thank you, I agree with every word. Anyone counting on the media to conduct due diligence oversight and act in good faith to *educate* the public about Trump’s crimes- WHICH ARE REPORTED ON EVERY DAY – needs to re-read the thread about CNN inviting Richard Spencer on to discuss whether Trump is a racist. Nothing says *exciting* cable coverage quite like showing an empty chair where a witness should be, or a painful reading into the record of documents requested that the WH stonewalled. We need the courts to come to the Dem side, and then we’ll see what we can get.

    Slow walking the committee investigation findings up to the day of the election is the way to do it. The electorate in this country has the attention span of a fruit fly.

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    Jay says:

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    Yeah, I know. More so because I’m Canadian.

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    the Conster says:

    @Jay:

    Where are these jails?

    Barr has an FBI security detail – the Sergeant at Arms is going to what, tell them to step aside on the orders of Nancy Pelosi?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    …and this has exactly what to do with the House voting to impeach Donald Trump? Pelosi is doing the things within her power. A lot of those are slow or don’t show up on the news or both.

    She hasn’t even started the inquiries normally associated with determining the appropriateness of recommending articles of impeachment be considered in the House. We all get that its a process, the problem is that it has to actually start for it to run through all of the procedural check marks.

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    Jay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    There’s a dead period in most cycles between October and February.

    Most of the public doesn’t have the attention span for year long campaigns and MSM incessant horseracing and bloviating doesn’t help,

    Scandals do.

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    Jay says:

    @the Conster:

    In the secure basements of both the House and Senate.

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    @TenguPhule:

    I hope this is not the actual plan.

    You have a better plan that does not require Mitch McConnell to magically discover his conscience and not merely allow but push his caucus into convicting Trump? We’re not getting rid of Trump until 2021. A failed impeachment now would do nothing to help us in the 2020 election. Everything else is getting challenged in the courts, and that’s a slow process.

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    Saw your title and burst out laughing.

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    @TenguPhule:

    She hasn’t even started the inquiries normally associated with determining the appropriateness of recommending articles of impeachment be considered in the House.

    Sorry, I must be imagining all those demands for information and witnesses that the White House has refused to provide, or arranging Mueller to testify, or the court case to get Trump’s taxes. The investigation is happening. It is slow and it gets barely a mention on the news until something super-dramatic happens.

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    This may be because the fascist collaborators of the Problem Solvers Caucus has the votes to make this very difficult. But it looks awful and, yes, Trump is crowing. We corvids are thinking about suing for theft our our intellectual property.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: you think he has the Morrissey catalog on shuffle for his workout?

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    eemom says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The problem is not entirely Nancy Pelosi.

    Moderate Democrats are getting skittish about confronting Trump’s racism. Seriously?

    uh, chicken and egg much?

    When the so-called “leader” refuses to lead, guess what.

    IOW:

    @TenguPhule:

    As Speaker, Nancy is expected to cajole, bully, bribe and otherwise corral votes from her caucus as needed for important issues.

    It would be nice if stopping Donald Trump from initiating a Fascist takeover of the federal government was one of them.

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    Jay says:

    Women featured in CNN’s focus group of Republican women:Dena Miller – National Director of the Trumpettes of AmericaKathleen Lieberman – Texas Women for TrumpGina O’Briant – Texas Women for TrumpCami Dean – Former GOP Rep candidate https://t.co/GwKuxAZiGq— Jesse Lee (@JesseCharlesLee) July 17, 2019

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @eemom: who’s your representative, and where does s/he stand on impeachment?

    who are your Senators? Are either or both Republican? Will they stand up to Mitch McConnell when Nancy Pelosi shows “leadership”, as your rage-and-third-box-of-Franzia-blush-addled mind understands it?

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    eemom says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    A good Speaker can do that on the margins, you can’t push a chain.

    Guess it’s time for my daily psycho question.

    Is there no point at which Pelosi’s failure of leadership becomes obvious enough that you people will stop making excuses for her?

    Or, to use my preferred intemperate/inflammatory phrasing, when are you gonna stop bending over backwards to suck her limp dick?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: eemom is a lawyer, so she probably drinks premium boxed wines now. Back when she was in high school? Defiantly Franzia and California Coolers.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @eemom:

    stop bending over backwards to suck her limp dick

    Rotating tag line?

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    eemom says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I’m sitting in the Lost Dog Café

    I’ve ordered from but never been there. Do you recommend the ambiance?

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @eemom: Both things are true. You can think Pelosi should be doing more *and* acknowledge that she’s got a giant chain around her neck in the form of squeamish idiot moderates.

    Seriously, there are Democrats complaining about censuring Trump for obvious racism when polls all indicate that the country largely agrees that Trump is a racist fuckwad.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Seagram’s Golden Wine Coolers? Or Bartles and James?

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    Mandalay says:

    @eemom:

    I’ve ordered from but never been there. Do you recommend the ambiance?

    Not if you’re there.

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    surfk9 says:

    I think the impeachment inquiry will be started in October after the government shutdown that is sure to happen. Tack the bad publicity on to the end of the bad publicity that Trump will get from the shutdown and keep it rolling through the campaign season.

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    Jay says:

    Since 2015, CNN has distorted its on air product to present far right views as mainstream and to present paid-for or curated pro-trump commentary as just a slice of life among Republicans. You can read about it in Jason Miller’s deposition.— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 17, 2019

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @TenguPhule

    As Speaker, Nancy is expected to cajole, bully, bribe and otherwise corral votes from her caucus as needed for important issues.

    In the last few months there’s been so much idiomatic Spanish tossed around that in my head I automatically pronounced this as cah-HO-lay.

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    Another Scott says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: :-D

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jay says:

    McCarthy’s aides confirmed that he himself requested this vote https://t.co/6xZgwaCQzm— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) July 17, 2019

    So, it wasn’t Nancy.

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    @eemom: As an attorney, have you researched the case law and legislative history surrounding impeachment? As a non-lawyer, it sounds that you haven’t.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @eemom:
    Wow. You’re being incredibly rude. Way over the line

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    Baud says:

    I can’t believe Chris Hayes is covering the new information about the Trump Epstein connection. I thought the media would ignore it since it’s not as exciting as email server protocols.

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    Baud says:

    Way to go, Kentucky.

    Rand Paul blocks Senate from approving 9/11 victim compensation fund

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/453519-rand-paul-blocks-senate-vote-on-9-11-victim-compensation-fund

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    Jay says:

    Mor Epstein, mor corruption,

    A Palm beach Sheriff’s deputy told me for my series that their work release detail involved standing outside his “office” and signing visitors — including women — in and out. They never checked what he was doing in that office and the logs mysteriously disappeared. /1 pic.twitter.com/QhKX2Ka9rk— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) July 17, 2019

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    Ruviana says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just so long as it’s not Scott Adams I think we’re good.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: sure am glad Jon Stewart went after the Democrats for this. Asshole.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ruviana: no, Adam Scott, the Australian golfer my wife has the hots for

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    Jay says:

    ICE’s Acting Director complained, “It is unfortunate that our honorable law enforcement agency is subject to such protests,” per internal ICE memo I obtained.Memo also says ICE went into lockdown during Tuesday’s protest.https://t.co/sbksrH6h8B pic.twitter.com/AAHqlQygBy— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) July 17, 2019

    As this is being written, Abolish ICE protesters have surrounded the DC based ICE headquarters and today it was announced that BNP Paribas, which owns the US based Bank of the West, would be just the latest in a growing collection of big banks such as Bank of America, SunTrust, JP Morgan Chase, and Wells Fargo who have all decided to divest from ICE and pro-profit prisons after a wave of direct actions, bank shut downs, call-in campaigns, and protests.

    All of this comes hot on the heels of both a complete and total public relations disaster by the Trump administration following Trump’s racist comments, his lies on Monday morning that the ICE raids were a massive success, and Pence’s trip to a detention facility in Texas, (taking place only hours before over 700 cities saw larger than expected protests), which ended in him singing the praises of the squalid conditions inside while journalists who accompanied him spoke of the horrific overcrowding, stench, and lack of access to basic hygiene and food.

    https://itsgoingdown.org/cracks-in-the-ice-history-abolition-the-path-ahead/

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    @Cheryl Rofer: I suspect not the moderates but the actual right wing, collaborators like Gottheimer. :-(

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    James E Powell says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Special select committee on impeachment to focus and drive all the investigations. Judiciary, Intel,
    Ways & Means, and Oversight all feed it.
    One point of contact for media and Americans. Basically a legit and righteous version of what Boehner did with his special Benghazi committee. I did a whole post on this a while back.

    This is exactly what they should do and I’m at a loss to understand why they haven’t done so already. The Democratic opposition to Trump is coming across as aimless, ineffective, and doomed. And that’s how ardent Democrats feel about it.

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    Martin says:

    They’re chanting ‘Send her back’ at Trump’s rally.

    We continue to slouch toward Kristallnacht.

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    Sab says:

    @Jay: So if their funders divest, do the prisoners starve?

    Just wondering. I don’t trust any govt. agency to do the basics.

    ETA and I say this as someone who has several very decent, hardworking federal employee relatives just trying to do their jobs.

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    Mike in DC says:

    “Send her back…send her back…send her back” being chanted at Trump’s rally in NC as he talks about Rep. Ilhan Omar.

    Is there a level of rage above “incandescent”? Fuck these snaggletoothed, knuckledragging inbred redneck cousin-fuckers FOREVER AD INFINITUM.

    Oh, are those unfair negative stereotypes? My bad.

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    eemom says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    As an attorney, have you researched the case law and legislative history surrounding impeachment?

    Hard to do; there are so many tons of it.

    Keep up that bending. Good for the spine.

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    Another Scott says:

    All 11 Virginia Democrats in the House voted to table. BlueVirginia.US:

    Beyer Statement On Impeachment Resolution Vote

    July 17, 2019 (Washington, D.C.) – Rep. Beyer issued the following to statement today on his vote for a motion to table Rep. Al Green’s resolution which would refer one article of impeachment against President Trump for racist tweets directly to the U.S. Senate:

    “I strongly support an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Trump. I voted to table H. Res. 489 because it would effectively prevent the House from conducting such an inquiry.

    “I believe that we have substantial evidence, both in the Mueller Report and elsewhere, that the President has committed obstruction of justice and potentially other high crimes and misdemeanors. Such acts clearly meet the standard for impeachment which the Founders laid out in the Constitution, and we have a duty to act on them and establish the truth for the American people.

    “This resolution, however, does not address those acts by the President. If successful it would immediately initiate an impeachment trial in the Senate solely to consider whether the President should be removed from office for the racist tweets which he wrote earlier this week. I have been vocal in my condemnation of those tweets and his other racist statements and actions, but I do not believe this is the best way forward on impeachment.

    “It is imperative that the House of Representatives have the ability to investigate and establish the facts, build the evidence required to educate the public about the President’s wrongdoing, and put ourselves in a position to make the strongest possible case to the Senate before voting on articles of impeachment. We must bring forward our best evidence on obstruction, emoluments violations, and other potential crimes – not simply focus on the President’s latest horrible remarks, harmful though they are. I worry that the House of Representatives would forfeit its vital role in this process if today’s resolution passed.

    “I will continue to advocate for an impeachment inquiry including investigatory hearings, document production, and witness testimony which we need to fully and fairly evaluate the case for impeaching President Trump.”

    Rep. Beyer called for an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Trump in May.

    (Beyer is my representative.)

    I think he’s exactly right. FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Martin: As Fat Bastard kicks off his bid to win in 2020, expect some really ugly incidents and probably extreme violence at the rallies.

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    karen marie says:

    Democratic Party can get stuffed. I don’t know what happened to Nancy Smash, but I am brutally disappointed.

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    eemom says:

    @Martin:

    We continue to slouch toward Kristallnacht.

    Yeah, but there’s a sweet spot RIGHT before we get there which Pelosi has in her crosshairs.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jay:

    There’s a dead period in most cycles between October and February.

    Congress is on recess for most of that period.

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    Sab says:

    @Another Scott: Wish I could get my spouse to read this. He gets all wound up by cable news and the internet.

    We shriek at each other on dog walks. It’s nuts. We are on the same side and the dogs can’t vote (tgfsf).

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    Mike in DC says:

    @eemom: She’s like a coach sitting on a small lead, playing prevent defense, afraid to take a risk and commit a costly turnover.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Sorry, I must be imagining all those demands for information and witnesses that the White House has refused to provide, or arranging Mueller to testify, or the court case to get Trump’s taxes. The investigation is happening.

    Different kind of investigation. What the House is doing right now is normal oversight investigations. They’re not the articles investigations that are part of the actual impeachment process.

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    Sab says:

    I have eemom in my pie filter, so why do I have to read about Sarah Palin?

    ETA only regular jackal pied.

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    Another Scott says:

    @James E Powell: It’s probably too big a job for one committee at this point.

    Repost: NBCNews from May 27:

    At least 14 Democratic-led House committees have been investigating various aspects of President Donald Trump’s businesses, campaign and his presidency since the beginning of this year, an NBC News review shows. In all, those committees have launched at least 50 probes into Trump world.

    The investigations include whether Trump obstructed justice in the Russia probes, whether his businesses inflated their assets, how his daughter and son-in-law obtained their security clearances, whether he used his power to interfere with mergers, how his actions might have slowed aid to Puerto Rico, and conflict of interest allegations involving cabinet members.

    [ image ]

    The NBC review shows the busiest committees appear to be the Judiciary and Oversight panels. Some of the inquiries might have gone dormant, and some are cross-committee — meaning they’re being investigated jointly by more than one committee — so they are listed under those committees, but are only counted once in the NBC investigation total.

    Here’s a look at the probes that have been made public, organized by committee:

    […]

    Dumping everything on one committee at this point is probably a good way to slow it down. There’s a lot of sorting that needs to be done.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: that’s called “on brand”

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    germy says:

    Meanwhile, more quality hires:

    President Trump officially nominates Monica Crowley as assistant secretary for public affairs at the Treasury Department pic.twitter.com/wtIP33ABZH— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) July 16, 2019

    Yes, THAT Monica Crowley.

    Among other things, Crowley questioned whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen"; argued that he is an Arab, not Black; and endorsed a conspiracy theory documentary about his "real" father https://t.co/eJze26HqeS https://t.co/ex3kbH7Xgg— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) July 17, 2019

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Is there a level of rage above “incandescent”?

    Yo!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Unclear on why I want to download an app that ages my face

    Oh, come on, citizen, surely you want to make your uncompensated contribution to Facebook’s facial-recognition software development team. If you don’t provide your data for free, Mark Zuckerberg might actually have to pay for it, thus diminishing his profit margins.

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    germy says:

    In 2017, Monica Crowley lost an opportunity to work in the Trump White House due to plagiarism accusations. She went to work for a pro-Russian Ukrainian Oligarch. Now that she's done lobbying for Russian interests, Trump just nominated her to be be Assistant Treasury Secretary. pic.twitter.com/H2fwGawSKl— Avi Bueno (@Avi_Bueno) July 16, 2019

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Another Scott: Trump has figured out the obvious solution to thwart justice.

    Keep committing so many crimes at a rate where the investigations can’t keep up and thus never get to submit their findings in time for them to do any actual good.

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    Sab says:

    @germy: Why the phuck do I pay taxes?

    I have a RWNJ sibling who has bailed as a R party member.

    I might call and chortle tonight.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy:

    Yes, THAT Monica Crowley.

    I think this is supposed to work a like roach motel. All of the Roaches gathered in one place for extermination instead of spread out all over the place and risking us missing a few..

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    Marrtin says:

    @TenguPhule: The gish gallop of criminality.

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    @James E Powell: One reason that a single committee might have issues enforcing subpoenas, the courts won’t enforce subpoenas unless they’re related to legislation. It could be a sticking point for a separate committee and a reason to keep it under normal committee jurisdiction. If you start calling it an impeachment committee, then you probably don’t have the support within the caucus and it raises expectations.

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    Jay says:

    @Sab:

    They are organized not as Private Prisons, but instead Real Estate Corporations, but they lease assets and rely on external cash flow to be profitable, even at $770 a head a day, ( equvalent to a 3 Bedroom Suite at Hilton Vegas, meals and drinks).

    While they pay their “prison guards” up to $15 an hour, they generally “subcontract”, so basically, all the way down the human chain from Middle Management on down, their rental/lease chain, their logistics chain and their vehicle chain, somebody’s carving 15% -20% off the top.

    From top to middle they are paying $13.6 million to $658,000 a year.

    When the manufactured “Border Crisis” dries up, ( 2 blocks north of Homestead, there are 500 empty beds for children and infants in a federal HPSC Facility, meanwhile 168 children and infants are held at Homestead, some for 120 days past the mandated 72 hours), the Corporations will declare bankruptcy, all the assets are leased, and the cash flow, will have all been siphoned off.

    Bank of the West pulled out, because activists/antifia proved that “owned” facilities claimed by GEO, were either leased, or empty lots with Federal assets from tent buildings to fencing, “borrowed” from ICE/FEMA/CBP/US Army.

    It is what has The Squad and the activist community so pissed at Pelosi et al. Not a penny of money passed for “the Border” is going to make things better at the Border.

    I expect that when the cash flow dries up, this Administration will move on to the next step after For Profit Concentration Camps.

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    @eemom:

    Hard to do; there are so many tons of it.

    Might want to get cracking at it then, instead of spouting uninformed blather.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jay:

    I expect that when the cash flow dries up, this Administration will move on to the next step after For Profit Concentration Camps.

    All solutions final, no returns allowed.

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    TenguPhule says:

    A random group of ‘Republicans’? CNN doesn’t tell the whole story about a Trump-loving panel.

    Members of a Trump booster group have appeared on the network twice before, also without disclosure.

    What drives me crazy is that he abuses the fuck out of the media and they respond by catering to him harder.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    Way to go, Kentucky.

    Don’t forget Utah.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @germy:
    @germy:

    I had mercifully forgotten all about Monica Crowley, but NOOOOOOO you have to go bring her up again, like last night’s supper.

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    TenguPhule says:

    A judge resigned after saying a teenager accused of rape was from a “good family.” Training was ordered for the judiciary.

    FTFNYT. One asshole down.

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    Sab says:

    I am absolutely not an economist, but the inverted yield curve freaks me out, especially with morons in charge.

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    Jay says:

    @Jay:

    ETA, their shares have been highly profitable for investors and they also shovel money out in dividends.

    It’s basically a Ponzi scheme built on Concentration Camps and Concentration Camp labour. Adam Tooze would understand.

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    Sab says:

    @Jay: That’s not very reassuring.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Amnesty International calls for closure of migrant child detention center

    Amnesty International USA has called for a detention center for migrant children in Florida to be closed down and for congressional public hearings to be held into conditions at the facility, which lies near Miami and was recently visited by a slew of 2020 Democratic candidates.

    The human rights group said in a new report that the detentions were “cruel and unlawful” and “the disastrous consequences of US policies toward children seeking protection”.

    “The temporary emergency facility at Homestead is far from meeting basic standards under US and international law for providing and safe and healthy environment for children,” Amnesty US’s executive director, Margaret Huang, told the Guardian.

    “A significant number of the children at Homestead have their cases managed by people sitting in Texas. That means they’re not getting the kind of firsthand care you’d expect. There are also a number of children who don’t speak either English or Spanish so often aren’t getting proper attention or the services they need.”

    Homestead Influx Facility houses several thousand children, ages 13 to 17, and is the largest facility in the US for migrant children.

    Based on interviews with children formerly detained at Homestead, along with current facility staff members, the Amnesty study titled No Home For Children describes the fear and confusion of children at being held indefinitely and with inadequate levels of care.

    This is America in 2019.

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    Raven says:

    I see numb-nuts is dominating BJ again.

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    Jay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    CNN ain’t been media for a long, long time.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Sab:

    I am absolutely not an economist

    Which you makes you eminently more qualified than Arthur Laffer!

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    TenguPhule says:

    Under Flores, unaccompanied children must be moved to state-licensed shelters “as expeditiously as possible” – within 20 days if possible, the report says. But the US department of Health and Human Services (HHS) says unaccompanied children at Homestead were held on average for 52 days in March 2019.

    And the judge ordered Trump’s minions to get back in compliance in the summer of 2018. Its a year later and the ruling is openly flouted without any consequences of note to the perpetrators.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Raven: must be a day that ends in “y”

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    RAVEN says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I guess, even pied it makes this place almost unreadable.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    okay, I’ll admit, I’m wondering about the context (for lack of a better word) here

    Charles P. Pierce @ CharlesPPierce
    “You know what medieval means? Little, little, little pieces.”
    The synapses are firing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    must be a day that ends in “y”

    You really hate working pro bono for the unions instead of a tumbrel number that much? //

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    James E Powell says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    The suggestion was for a select committee to oversee and coordinate a number of investigations. That’s not that hard to do. There are matters of procedure that the geniuses in the house leadership and their attorneys could solve in 24 hours. They’ve had six months.

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    Sab says:

    @Jay: I believe you. I am deeply concerned that as an American my go to source of information is some random guy from Canada on the internet.

    Although we actualy have a history of reading each other for years. But I trust you get my point.

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    Dan B says:

    After the “Send Her Back” rally Trump tells reporters that “He doesn’t know anything about it, but the fact that she married her brother should be checked out.” (Not a precise quote.)

    I hope Nancy has insisted on extra Secret Service for AOC.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Dan B:

    I hope Nancy has insisted on extra Secret Service for AOC.

    I hope the Secret Service can still be relied upon to defend Democrats they’re assigned to.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @TenguPhule: give me my full hourly rate or give me death!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    b-boy bouiebaisse @ jbouie
    I’ve said this before but I think it is important to understand the public performance of racism as a pleasurable activity. There’s lust behind these shouts to “send her back,” a violent desire they want to make real. It’s the libidinal economy at work.

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    @James E Powell: That’s not the way I took the suggestion at all, I was thinking more like the Watergate Senate Select Committee in 1973. The problem that such a committee would face is that it’s investigative in nature and it not tied to legislation. That’s when it would run into problem enforcing subpoenas with the courts. I’m not sure what a committee overseeing the other committees would do.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Dan B: Twitter:

    1000/24thHat @Popehat

    Even Trump’s trash talk is fundamentally cowardly. “There’s a lot of talk she married her brother — but I know nothing about it.” Commit, sniveler.

    4:00 PM – 17 Jul 2019

    Excellent.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Dan B:

    I hope Nancy has insisted on extra Secret Service for AOC.

    I believe it would be the Capitol Police.

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    Sab says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Yes it does. I don’t write stuff on deli napkins. I use those to wipe my mouth, and then I write on paper. But I am weird that way.

    Also tidy.

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    Jay says:

    @Sab:

    There are families and facilities through out the US that can properly house and care for these people with room for about 550,000 to spare.

    So why is ICE/CBP holding them in unneeded For Profit Concentration Camps and CBP Concentration Camps on the Border?

    Scoop: Private prison co. execs begged ICE to pay their legal bills over litigation alleging they engaged in human traffickinghttps://t.co/NqGJT2HMGE— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) July 17, 2019

    Why are Children forced to make a Sofi’s Choice?

    A border agent planned to separate a Honduran family. One parent would go to Mexico, the other would keep the kids in the U.S. The family says the agent asked 3-year-old Sofi to make the choice: which parent would she pick. My conversation with @NoelKing. https://t.co/NNdnunMF8n— Bob Moore (@BobMooreNews) July 15, 2019

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    NotMax says:

    @Dan B

    I can’t possibly be the only one to whom it is blatantly obvious the chant was instigated by (paid?) plants positioned in the audience.

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    chris says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: About what you’d expect.

    Trump is now on immigration, warning as usual that Democrats' policies produce crime. He then turns to MS-13, saying its members commit "medieval style" murders, and adds, "You know what medieval style is? Little pieces, little pieces, little pieces. Medieval style."— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) 18 July 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: You must be new here.

    @Gin & Tonic: And I see you beat me to it. Mais bien sur! : )

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    Dan B says:

    @James E Powell: I thought that Pelosi had recommended a special committee , or select committee, to coordinate the information sharing snd investigations about a month or two ago. It may be in the works but with so many investigations it may be challenging to find staff to assist with the mountains of evidence determining strategy, and tactical decisions.

    Time to google (or nap)

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    lamh36 says:

    @Dan B: Ah …you mean Ihan?

    The threats and slander is against her more than any of the other squad members.

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    Dan B says:

    @TenguPhule: The thought occurred to me – right wing SS agent.

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    lamh36 says:

    The number of “journalist” tweeting Chump’s slanderous words against Rep Omar…and NOT in the same tweet reporting that Chump is a LYING…is disgusting. SMH…the MSM political press is a bunch of enablers for fuq’n clickbait. To every last one of them, all I’ma say is…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ce73e9e5d59f63b9fecc225d2cde8e8087d792a7d71dff24788a49d8b8539d2.gif

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    Jay says:

    @Sab:

    Back in Reagan’s regime, I was part of the Underground Railroad/Sanctuary Movements. So I am both watching this carefully by following people who are watching this carefully,

    And not haring off chasing the Dolt45 twit du jour,

    And pressing my Government to tear up the First Safe Harbour Agreement with the US, because the US is no longer a safe country for refugees.

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    Brachiator says:

    @germy:

    In 2017, Monica Crowley lost an opportunity to work in the Trump White House due to plagiarism accusations. She went to work for a pro-Russian Ukrainian Oligarch. Now that she’s done lobbying for Russian interests, Trump just nominated her to be be Assistant Treasury Secretary.

    Wow. Trump isn’t even pretending anymore. Not even making the slightest effort at choosing people on the basis of competency. This woman is Fox News approved and Putin certified.

    She also has strong birther cred.

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    The problem that such a committee would face is that it’s investigative in nature and it not tied to legislation

    However it would be directly tied to the exercising of an authority and purview specifically assigned to be undertaken by the House by the Constitution, which bolsters the case for upholding subpoenas.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @TenguPhule: Do you *ever* include a fucking link?

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    Jay says:

    @lamh36:

    Yup, double yup.

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    Jay says:

    Internal documents obtained by me and @zoeschlanger show CBP and Border Patrol officers are arrested for criminal wrongdoing at 5x the rate of all other cops in the US https://t.co/ldZdPmMh86— Justin Rohrlich (@JustinRohrlich) July 16, 2019

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    Dan B says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: My ‘lack of sleep, thanks racoon parties last night’ … yake is the select committee could coordinate investigations to reduce duplication and provide a central media point of contact. They could also discuss strategy so we don’t have 50 separate efforts and discuss tactics. They don’t have to dictate tactics or strategy just inform all the committees of the preferred pursuits.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Sab:

    I don’t write stuff on deli napkins.

    True story: the routing protocol that’s been at the heart of the modern Internet for over 20 years was first sketched out on a cocktail napkin.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I did, its part of the preceding linked story and FYWP locked me out of an edit.

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    eemom says:

    @Sab:

    “only regular jackal pied”

    That was the proudest moment of your life, wasn’t it?

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    k, you win. I promise I won’t even try snark anymore.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    MItt Romney, who is sitting quietly pretending everything is fine, used to brag that his father marched with Martin Luther King. It wasn’t quite true, though old George did take part in civil rights marches. But Willard used to think that was something to brag about. Just a few years ago.

    Now he’s sitting quietly, pretending everything is fine.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: During the Maidan protests in Ukraine 5+ years ago, these were called “titushky.” Everybody knew the score.

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    Dan B says:

    @NotMax: So who would be setting up the plants, Stephen Miller, or some campaign hack? Somebody has to select the chants.

    Oh, that’s what they are talling about when they say “infrastructure”.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Do you *ever* include a fucking link?

    Forget it, Gin.

    It’s Tengu Phule.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @eemom: Are you under the impression that there is someone else in the House that can herd these cats into the formation we desire?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @NotMax: I can’t possibly be the only one to whom it is blatantly obvious the chant was instigated by (paid?) plants positioned in the audience.

    Were I good at your inter tubes, I would make a picture of Kellyanne Conway in a fake mustache and fedora. In order to suggest she had disguised herself, to act as that plant. I’d probably go with Groucho glasses

    Hell, it might just as likely have been Thom Tillis and Richard Burr.

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    Baud says:

    I was just thinking, who haven’t we heard from recently who could make everything even worse than it is.

    No, the Democratic Party hasn’t lurched to the left

    Washington Post: Breaking News, World, U… / by By Rahm Emanuel / 1h

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Raven: You’re going to have to be more specific.

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    Dan B says:

    @lamh36: I was thinking of AOC as well but she and Ilhan are both at risk. The hijab makes a target for a nut case. AOC is easy to spot in a crowd.

    In our neighborhood they’d blend in. My rep is Pramila Jayapal. Her campaign launch was a couple blocks from us and there were at least 30 women in hijab, plus latin@s, and more – 25% white people.

    But many places they would be easy to spot.

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    Jay says:

    Exclusive: Border Patrol agent in Clint accused of harassing mother of 12-year-old migrant who was in custody https://t.co/zifpQSWDDs— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 17, 2019

    Not a nice story at all. Not unexpected given their Facebook pages.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Gin & Tonic: See, that’s what happens when you have a paperless office.

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    Mary G says:

    She’s creeping up:

    Native daughter Kamala Harris comes from behind to win the support of 23 percent of California Democrats and voters leaning Democratic, with 21 percent for former Vice President Joe Biden, leaving the Democratic primary too close to call, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll released today.

    Also in the running are Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders with 18 percent and Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts with 16 percent. South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg has 3 percent and entrepreneur Andrew Yang has 2 percent. There are four Democratic contenders with 1 percent and 15 candidates scoring less than 1 percent.

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    Raven says:

    @different-church-lady: You can’t see someone who posts constantly night after night?

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    Martin says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Were I good at your inter tubes, I would make a picture of Kellyanne Conway in a fake mustache and fedora. In order to suggest she had disguised herself, to act as that plant. I’d probably go with Groucho glasses

    She’d be in blackface with a Charlie Chan mustache and payots, just to cover all of her bases.

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    Keith P. says:

    “Mr. President, in light of the recent charges against Jeffrey Epstein, where was this photo taken, and by whom?”

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    Martin says:

    @Mary G: There’s no fucking way she doesn’t win CA as things stand now.

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    NotMax says:

    @Dan B

    If forced to speculate, I’d go with James O’Keefe or some similar denizen of the drainpipe of the sub- sub- sub-basement of humanity like him as handling the scut work and recruitment on instruction from the campaign.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Raven: I gotta admit gainful employment has been keeping me from my usual vigorous commentambling.

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    Dan B says:

    @Gin & Tonic: So Hon. John Roberts was a titushky at the Brooks Bros Riot….

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    @NotMax: Only if it’s mission is to pursue impeachment, then that would usually be done by the Judiciary Committee.

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    Dear god. I just got back from my writer group and saw clips of Trump’s rally. “Send her back!” I feel sick.

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    Leto says:

    @NotMax: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Bill has unfortunately made that claim twice now, when the evidence in hand (that federal judges hold subpoena’s issued via impeachment inquiry committees in higher regard/act on them faster, more urgency) directly contradicts that. A few months ago I posted articles from Lawfare Blog about that very topic. It’s gratifying to see zero people read them.

    Also if someone could please post the direct legislation that all ten Benghazi hearings pertained to, that would be great. (Narrator: that’s simply a Trumpov legal tactic meant to delay)

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Trump’s rally. “Send her back!” I feel sick.

    Missed all of this, mercifully. “Send her back!”? I take it this is the new “Lock her up!,” or are they doing both?

    Utterly disgusting, regardless.

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    @Leto:

    that federal judges hold subpoena’s issued via impeachment inquiry committees in higher regard/act on them faster, more urgency

    This is what I said. The problem is that there isn’t support within the caucus to support an impeachment inquiry. No the Speaker can’t do it without the support of the caucus. If it’s NOT an impeachment inquiry, then it has to be relevant to a legislative purpose. IIRC Benghazi was handled by the Oversight Committee and the Obama White House didn’t cite privilege and permitted folk to testify. Trump won’t allow folk to testify.

    A few months ago I posted articles from Lawfare Blog

    Link, please.

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    oatler. says:

    “Let some princeling of a foreign State set foot in America, and lo! all the inhabitants are tumbling over one another in their desire for a glimpse of him—a desire which is the natural and pathetic outcome of their unsatisfied inner craving for a dynasty of their own.”
    Max Beerbohm

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    “Send her back!”

    When our second daughter was born, we took our first daughter into the NICU to meet her. She took one look, turned away, and said “Send her back!”

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    As each chamber of Congress has the innate power to set and define its own procedures and rules, a select committee could be established and empowered to investigate a delineated roster of suspected impeachable offenses, whether that includes drawing up and submitting articles of impeachment or else leaving that step to Judiciary, based on findings of the select committee..

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    From what I’ve seen on FB, I gather this filth is directed at Ilhan Omar. Now I feel sick. This is appalling.

    ETA: I hate to say it, but I fear for her life. The hatred out there….

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    @NotMax: This is true, however this Select Committee might find it difficult to get the courts to support their subpoenas.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @chris:
    Interesting. The “little pieces, little pieces, …” is on the c-span video, but not in the cspan transcript!!!
    At about 50:57
    President Trump in Greenville, North Carolina (July 17, 2019)
    Very interesting. I wonder how that happened.

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    Leto says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Again, she doesn’t need the support of her entire caucus. Again, an impeachment inquiry has no set time length. Again, courts move faster on resolving subpoena issues wrt an impeachment inquiry versus normal oversight. Again, an impeachment inquiry is not articles of impeachment. It’s the fact gathering process on steroids.

    You understand that we won’t see Trumpov taxes returns, correct? That the Chairman of the House Ways and Means has stated, numerous times, that because of how slow the courts move, we won’t see his returns until after 2020? How many witnesses have been subpoenaed and have simply ignored it? Of the subpoenaed, how many have shown? 1 (Hope Hicks). 1 was allowed to provide written answers because she wouldn’t come in (Don McGahn’s CoS). Know what her 100+ responses were: “Trumpov WH said I don’t have to answer this. Go fuck yourself!”

    As all of our lawyers here have stated, the courts move slow, deliberately so. Trumpov knows this and is using it to his advantage. Each appeal takes months, and he has many left. We’ll still probably be in the appeals process for all of this by the time 2020 really kicks off.

    I’ll amend my first post: not only won’t there be impeachment, there won’t even be an impeachment inquiry. There won’t be any select committee, there won’t be shit except for the normal oversight that’s happening now, of which he’s making a mockery and paying no price. Kewl.

    Edit: links? Google ”Lawfare Blog Impeachment Inquiry”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @germy:

    Among other things, Crowley questioned whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen”; argued that he is an Arab, not Black; and endorsed a conspiracy theory documentary about his “real” father https://t.co/eJze26HqeS https://t.co/ex3kbH7Xgg— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) July 17, 2019

    It seems that people exist who are unaware that Arabs come in all shades, from Scandinavian white to sub-Saharan black.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Dan B: This might be an easier link.

    The Irish Times: Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
    Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism

    From June 26 of last year.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Link, please.

    Seconded, would like to read those as well.
    (There are also reasons, e.g. links make a place more important to search engines.)

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    plato says:

    “Checks and balances”. How quaint.

    The (corrupt and illegitimate) president is the new king, screw the democracy.

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    Dan B says:

    @Leto: And by the time the courts begin to act the judiciary may be controlled by the Federalist Society.

    Sounds like the coup is already well underway and Trump is just providing the fog to hide the war. If there are hundreds of deaths in ICE camps the protests could be an opportunity / excuse for martial law. Cancel the election? Close some media or take over Google?

    How will corporate leaders and stakeholders react? Seems like Wall Street may crash. Or would it?

    Does Jay need a good cook and a handyman?

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    Anonymous says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    @eemom:
    Wow. You’re being incredibly rude. Way over the line

    That’s now eeMom rolls.

    I think the real Impeachment Inquiry will start next winter, probably n February. That’s when Nixon’s impeachment inquiry started, for one thing. Although the Dems had both houses, they did need Republican votes to convict, and once the tapes popped into view, suddenly they had the prospect of those votes.

    I know that’s optimistic. I also optimistically believe the courts will order records turned over to the various House committees eventually, and before the 202 elections start. I would like to see an Impeachment vote in October of 2020 at the earliest. That’s best for the election, I think.

    Lots of optimism, I think…

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    Dan B says:

    @Elizabelle: Thanks! It seemed crazy last year. Now not so much. The pattern seems apparent.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Dan B: It’s hard to believe it’s been a year since that article.

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    Leto says:

    @Dan B: @Elizabelle: Former SoS Madeline Albright wrote a good book about the re-emergence of fascism around the world. Tied it into her families flight from it. Good quick, depressing read.

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    SFAW says:

    @Another Scott:

    Even Trump’s trash talk is fundamentally cowardly. “There’s a lot of talk she married her brother — but I know nothing about it.”

    Not that any “journalist” has the stones to ask it, but I’d pay good money — the equivalent of a six of PBR, at least — to hear someone ask the Racist-in-Chief “Sir, that’s all well and good, but SOME PEOPLE SAY that you’ve tried to boink Ivanka, but you’re afraid of Jared. So, are you still boinking your daughter? Does Melania approve?”

    Hell, I might even make it a case of Bissell Brothers’ best.

    ETA: Yeah, I realize that, for consistency, it should be “trying to boink,” but I’m trying to pull an LBJ here.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Among other things, Crowley questioned whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen”; argued that he is an Arab, not Black; and endorsed a conspiracy theory documentary about his “real” father…

    It seems that people exist who are unaware that Arabs come in all shades, from Scandinavian white to sub-Saharan black.

    You can’t try to make sense of this crap. It’s not about understanding anything about Arab peoples. It’s race-baiting bigotry and fear mongering, and the lie that Obama was some kind of stealth Muslim out to destroy America.

    Also, many white racists think that they have a right to define mixed race people and to place them into categories based on their own needs and fantasies.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Leto: Read most of that book. How awful to have all those ugly forces assembled again. Bookending Secretary Albright’s life.

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    @Leto:

    Again, she doesn’t need the support of her entire caucus.

    I think you’re wrong here, she’s needs a resolution to amend the rules. That would require a majority. I agree we won’t see an impeachment inquiry, unless a majority of the House supports it.

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    cwmoss says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I upvote this or whatever.

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    cwmoss says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Not Adam Scott, creator of the Single Greatest Event in Television History?

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: One thing I’d like to highlight from the Lawfare piece that Leto mentioned:

    The impeachment proceedings against both Presidents Nixon and Clinton began with a vote by the full House of Representatives directing the judiciary committee “to investigate fully and completely whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach” the president in question.

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    cwmoss says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Well played! Well played, indeed! [slow clap]

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    Steeplejack says:

    @eemom:

    Late back to this thread, but maybe you’ll see this.

    The Lost Dog’s ambi­ence is okay. Nothing to write home about, but it’s pretty good. It’s not a place I would go to “hang out.” I go there for the food, which is surprisingly good. Usually I get one of the sandwiches, but lately I’ve been hitting the pizzas, which are very good. The crust is amazing. Had to write a “Dear John” letter to Brick’s and tell them that I was seeing other restaurants now.

    Also, I don’t think I have ever been there at night. I tend to go for a late lunch or to pick up something on the way home from somewhere. Tonight I was en route to Sighthound Hall to hang out with my brother.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Is there no point at which Pelosi’s failure of leadership becomes obvious enough that you people will stop making excuses for her?

    Hell fucking froze over. I agreed with eemom.

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