As you’ve no doubt heard, NBC News unearthed a 1992 video of a coked-up-seeming Trump cavorting with serial pedophile Jeffrey Epstein at a party held at Trump’s tacky-ass Florida property. Here’s a still photo from the vid:
I apologize for inflicting Trump’s hideous visage on you, which I generally avoid. But I’m hoping someone can explain Trump’s eyebrows in that photo. They look fake, especially when you see them in motion in the video. Can heavy cocaine use combined with tanning bed and hair product exposure cause alopecia? I remember the early 1990s — the hairdos of the women in the NBC video brought on flashbacks — but I don’t remember fake eyebrows being a thing.
Allegedly, many of the women pictured were Buffalo Bills cheerleaders. In the video, Trump grabs one of them from behind by the pelvis and then smacks her on the ass. I took a quick spin through the mainstream news sites, and all have a blurb about the tape, but it’s not the main story on any site I saw, including NBC, which broke the story.
Since its now fairly unremarkable to view tape of a future POTUS leering at women and aggressively grabbing a cheerleader while yucking it up with a notorious pedophile, I thought I’d explore the weird eyebrows angle. What do y’all think of that pair of caterpillars attached to Trump’s ugly mug? Strange, huh?
Open thread.
Robert Pierce
In trumpworld, nobody gaf. Quite the opposite, because this shocks the sensibilities of decent people, they cheer their *hero* even more.
kd bart
Isn’t that John Barron?
germy
I noticed the eyebrows as soon as I saw the video (early this morning) and you’re the first person to point them out.
dedc79
That most people have already made up their mind about Trump is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in that enough people can’t stand him that we SHOULD be able to take him down in 2020. A curse in that the daily drumbeat of news that would take any Democratic president down in a heartbeat is greeted with a shrug because it’s Trump.
NotMax
Homage to Brezhnev?
Also note the color of the pre-dyed blond hair.
kd bart
Good thing he wasn’t wearing a tan suit.
zhena gogolia
They’re so weird! They’re like waving in the breeze. I lived through the ’90s, and this was not any sort of fad I can remember.
His dancing is so lovely too.
Barf.
zhena gogolia
@NotMax:
Haha! Brovenosets Brezhnev!
Hildebrand
I remember the days, oh so long ago, when every Republican (and quite a few Democrats) within range of a television camera made sure to give voice to the way in which they and society were scandalized by a lecherous president. Whatever happened to those days? Perhaps I imagined the whole thing.
delk
Russian allegiance Brezhnev cosplay?
Ivan X
Epstein 2020!
Millard Filmore
Trump says “If somebody has a problem with our country, if somebody doesn’t want to be in our country, they should leave!”
I’ll bring this notion up next time I hear that abortion should be outlawed.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
Face meets palm
chris
From the gummint:
Brachiator
This video was big on the UK Daily Mail site this morning. The story also claimed that one of the women at the party worked for Epstein as his pimp, providing him with young girls.
And this is from 1992? I thought Trump’s story was that he barely knew the guy.
Olivia
I just googled some pics from the 90s of him. He had the same eyebrows as his dad did. Really awful! Maybe he went through some kind of eyebrow shaping. He had his scalp altered at Ivana’s suggestion, maybe she had him do the eyebrows too.
jl
@chris: ‘ or comments like, “Go back to where you came from, ” ‘
Obviously evidence that the Deep State anti-Trump conspiracy is vast the deep, and some of them are clairvoyant, or Obama lent them his time machine.
NCSteve
My guess is at some point, a hairdresser asked if he wanted to try giving them a trim, he said yes and then it be came part of his routine.
Disappointingly prosaic, but it happened to me after I hit 55.
Elizabelle
The Roanoke Times is shrill today. Roanoke, mind you. Whole editorial is worth reading.
Editorial: Trump has it wrong; he seems to be the one who hates America
Criticizing Bill Clinton is weak tea, but I imagine the Roanoke authors did so because it’s the first response their Fox News-addled readers are likely to cough up, and the Times cut that argument right out from under them. As we all should. False equivalency.
An earlier paragraph had a curious comment on AOC and the Green New Deal. It does nothing for southwest Virginia coal country. Really?? That’s hard to believe.
prostratedragon
The delights of adblock-free surfing: This page came up for me with an ad for some ultrasound pest control device, showing two small rats huddled together, looking out their hole
The Moar You Know
@Olivia: I discovered plucking in the 1990s and maybe he did too. I was much younger than Trump, but saw that my brows were obviously going to be a problem later on. Would look like his do in that video, to get to the point. The werewolf-in-transition/loose caterpillars-on-face look is not a good one on any man.
MattF
Google says that testosterone makes your eyebrows thicker. So, there’s a motive for making your eyebrows look thick.
Just Chuck
@Hildebrand:
FTFY.
TenguPhule
In other bizarre and terrifying news.
Instead of Skynet, we get the Virus version of the Borg.
Mart
Somewhere in my fifties hair started growing like and where it had not before. When the hair cut person put a comb over my eyebrows and trimmed; I suddenly realized I had become my father. So sad.
chris
I watched some of the video (can’t take very much!) and I think his eyebrows are badly trimmed and and badly dyed. Just like his hair.
TenguPhule
Bring on the asteroids. Smite us oh almighty smiter!
Brachiator
@TenguPhule:
Why not both?
This is both fascinating and deeply creepy.
scav
It’s turtles all the way down. The finance chairman of the RNC, Tom Ricketts, hasn’t been paying the property taxes he should and submitted a photo of a destroyed house to support a reduction in what he owed. But hey, the buck stops with his lawyer (not wife) this time because that’s what little people are for. Aren’t Rich Guys that own sports teams special.
TenguPhule
MisterForkbeard
@Robert Pierce: Yep. If the libs think it’s bad, then that makes them love Trump more. He can be as racist as he likes, so long as he tells Democrats that they’re the REAL racists and refuses to apologize.
TenguPhule
/Facepalm
Country is so utterly fucked,
Hoodie
A few things I noted:
– Trump is, like, 46 when this is filmed. Those women are all in their 20’s or even younger, cheerleaders for a couple of pro football teams. He acts like a low rent douchebag at a meat market bar, taking every opportunity to indiscriminately grope girls on the dance floor.
– This is 1992, but the style looks ’70s, lot of Farah Fawcett hair. Trump even created parties that made him think he was still in his 20’s.
– Epstein looks short and weird. He gives the impression that he fancies himself as Ralph Lauren with the prematurely grey hair, and attempts to cop the look with that faded denim shirt. Instead, he comes off looking like Ted Bundy at a frat rush party a la 1978. An irony is that Ralph Lauren, who has been surrounded by beautiful young women his entire adult life, has been married to the same woman since 1964.
TenguPhule
In case there were any lingering doubts as to what Republicans really are.
MisterForkbeard
@chris: Yep. Though for numerous reasons Trump isn’t technically breaking that law. He’s not their boss, Congressmen aren’t his employees, and there’s a lot of wiggle room for him on the ‘work-environment’ angle.
But he’s totally breaking the spirit of the law. To be clear: The law explicitly says that what Trump said is racist if it’s said to someone you work with. Trump can’t be prosecuted for this, but if he was part of the civil service he absolutely could be.
@TenguPhule: I really dislike Sanders on a personal and political level, but he gets things right sometimes. This is one of them: Good for him.
MisterForkbeard
@TenguPhule: To be fair, I’m sure some of this wasn’t explicitly about racism but about being “strong” and telling Democrats to go shut the fuck up.
Doesn’t make it any better. But they’re a mix of racists and authoritarians who don’t mind racism.
jl
@TenguPhule: Sure, but I don’t see how it is evidence that what Trump has done is any kind of strategy. If that is the case, Trump is one of the dumbest people in human history, or he is nuts. A fake ‘Trump Iran Deal’ with some trivial improvements wouldn’t have been difficult to pull off after a decent interval, and some public window dressing to hide what the negotiations were really about behind closed doors.
Iran is not going to offer him the same deal now, let alone something trivially better that Trump could brag about.
NotMax
@The Moar You Know
Didn’t hurt the successful movie careers of Sir C. Aubrey Smith or Tyrone Power.
:)
chris
@TenguPhule: JFC. If you don’t know how to post links, just ask.
TenguPhule
@jl:
Por Que Los Dos?
Gin & Tonic
Question to the myriad attorneys who peruse this site: what is the correct form of address/salutation when writing a formal letter to a State Attorney General? “Honorable Name”? “Dear Attorney General Name”? “Dear Mr. Name”?
TenguPhule
@chris: All in one link.
FYWP is being a pain with the link button today.
The Moar You Know
House likely to vote on impeachment resolution Wednesday
With only eighty-some votes in the can, 218 needed. But somehow Pelosi is the stupid one for wanting to wait.
The GOP doesn’t have to lift a finger to fight us, we’re just going to own-goal ourselves right into the 2020 elections.
Keith P.
@TenguPhule: didn’t his girlfriend just replace part of her eyeball with some orange polymer her friend cooked up in the lab? Supposedly to alleviate seasonal depression.
chris
@TenguPhule: Plain text is fine, I can go from there.
@The Moar You Know: There was an impeachment poll result on DKos the other day: 46% pro; 47% con. FWIW
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
If the Speaker had told us who was still hung up about impeachment the base could have called them to change their mind. Instead, we have to take the long route to get the information.
scav
@MisterForkbeard: I’m not sure that “authoritarians that don’t mind racism” aren’t effectively racists. At the very least, they’re enablers: they’re driving the getaway car, providing the alibi, holding down the person while someone else does the actual waterboarding. Their actions lead to racist outcomes. It’s still adultry even if you’re holding crossed fingers behind your back and whispering in your pure litttle heart that you still love your wife.
Gin & Tonic
@Keith P.: Excuse me?
chris
@The Moar You Know: FYWP edit function.
One of the history people pointed out that there were 17 impeachment resolutions before the Watergate committee began to roll.
TenguPhule
I forget, do we even still have an appointed Health Secretary anymore?
TenguPhule
I’m so old I remember how ads would be run claiming anyone doing something like this obviously hates America.
sdhays
@TenguPhule: With the people the ASSet hires, does it matter?
NotMax
@Gin & Tonic
First, IANAL.
Second, technically the honorific is “General.” However, either Dear Mr. (or Ms) or else Dear Madam (or Sir) would suffice for all but the most formal of occasions.
Spanky
@Elizabelle: This is bit about the green new deal leaving out SW Va is curious, seeing as I have a buddy working on wind technology for GE in Roanoke, VA.
Kay
I love how they’re such morons they have to leer AND point. It’s what 4 year olds do. Most people grow out of it by kindergarten but not these grossly overgrown, coddled toddlers. “looka dat!”
I don’t know who the women are but they could do much, much better, whoever they are, and I do mean “whoever”. I suppose the 13 year olds they “date” don’t know any better.
sdhays
@TenguPhule: I’m glad Jon Stewart chewed out the House members who then practically immediately passed it – as they were already intending to. That was clearly productive.
TenguPhule
@sdhays: I suppose not.
Kraux Pas
Don’t they? They’re prominent figures in the steal everything not nailed down party.
TenguPhule
@Kay:
Most 4 year olds don’t leer.
Elizabelle
@Spanky: Exactly.
Betty Cracker
@The Moar You Know: It’s Rep. Green’s solo impeachment effort, which he has introduced twice before, and it will almost certainly be dispatched as swiftly as the previous attempts. I don’t think they even have to actually vote on it. In any case, it’s unlikely to be a harbinger of Democratic doom.
sdhays
@Kay: I don’t want to watch the video, but this was my reaction too. “She’s hot” – what a stupid thing to say. All the women there are “hot”, I’m sure, because that’s why they were invited. It’s like some kind of disgusting cartoon.
TenguPhule
@Betty Cracker:
Killed by procedure before the vote by the leadership.
gvg
@TenguPhule: Budget negotiations to avoid defaulting are going to be interesting. Trump is a really stupid negotiator. He doesn’t keep his word or contracts. He even screws GOP Congressmen with changing his mind all the time. Nobody can actually negotiate with him. Iran of course won’t have anything to do with us until Trump is gone, nor really any country. The idiot doesn’t understand that the other party has needs too and you have to keep promises or the next time won’t happen.
I think he has convinced himself that he is a great negotiator by marketing himself to himself. Claiming wherever he ends up, it’s where he meant to be. he is actually incompetent.
Only way we get a budget is if the other GOP congressmen tell him, accept this or take responsibility for failure alone. Maybe we can get something neutral that will have a Veto override majority in both houses.
Robert Harvey
@TenguPhule:
https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/index.html
Martin
@Brachiator:
Actually Trump said he’s not a fan, which is probably true if Epstein got his payment on the back end of a tape of Trump assaulting a child. Huge fan up until that moment, though.
TenguPhule
@gvg:
He did it by screwing over his vendors using the power imbalance between people trying to make a living and a bastard who doesn’t give a fuck about the law.
Now he’s saying “Oh yeah, you and what army?” to folks that actually have an army.
tokyokie
The all-time champion of out-of-control eyebrows is former Japanese Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama.
Aleta
Video–Warren confronts Mark Esper, defense secretary nominee . Chair tries to stop her.
Ruviana
@Hoodie: I don’t think Epstein looks weird exactly but it’s hard to see the resemblance to his current self. I think he looks sort of like ol’ Dancin” Dave Gregory here
Betty Cracker
@TenguPhule: My guess is Pelosi is trying to protect vulnerable freshmen reps from exactly that kind of pressure. I can understand that. A big part of her job is to protect the majority. My beef with how Pelosi is handling the impeachment issue is that she has thus far treated the very idea as preposterous. That’s demoralizing to the many party members (elected or not) who DO take it seriously.
geg6
@The Moar You Know:
How is doing what the Watergate committees did somehow an own goal?
They put out multiple articles of impeachment. It wasn’t until a bit before Nixon’s resignation that the votes were there.
Jesus. Read some fucking history, people.
Betty Cracker
@tokyokie: Wow. Those are some serious eyebrows. We had a great-uncle who had eyebrows that looked like they could support a teacup, though we never tested the theory.
Gravenstone
@NCSteve:
When I was a young man, any hair I saw in my peripheral vision was usually my bangs. Now it’s just my eyebrows…
Another Scott
@tokyokie: Edward Teller was in the running…
Cheers,
Scott.
Elizabelle
I wonder if we’re safer against this kind of crap now because of cell phones. Maybe the news and images would get out faster. Not as many gatekeepers as — surprise — NBC with its look at fun-loving newly a “bachelor” again Trump. (They use the word bachelor, not divorced man.)
tokyokie
@Betty Cracker: I was working in Japan when Murayama was in office. We’d joke that Clinton’s gift for Murayama during his state visit was an eyebrow comb.
Chyron HR
Alternative header: “Notorious pederast parties with Jeffrey Epstein.”
NotMax
@Another Scott
To tie it in with Watergate, Sam Ervin was no slouch when it came to eyebrows.
;)
Elizabelle
@Another Scott: And — one degree of separation — Trump’s eyebrows (and dyed hair) are like Robert Maxwell. Disgraced British publisher/former MP/corporate plunderer who took a dive off his yacht while he was facing financial ruin.
Trump is a poor imitation of Maxwell, who was Czech-born under a different name, an actual war hero (WW2), an actual self-made millionaire, but a man referred to as “the bouncing Czech” and one who plundered his employees’ pension fund before turning up drowned and dead. Also an alleged triple spy. Russia, Israel, and I forget the third country.
Someone you really cannot make up, because he would be too unrealistic. (Alas, like our recent years with Trump.)
BUT: Maxwell was father of British “socialite” Ghislaine Maxwell, close friend/alleged one-time girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein, and accused of being one of his procurers of underaged and other young females. (FWIW, the FTF NYTimes also had a juicy story on Ghislaine this week.)
Daily Beast: Ghislaine Maxwell’s Father Was a Dark and Mysterious Figure, Just Like Jeffrey Epstein. Robert Maxwell set out to build a media empire. He ended up like a John le Carré villain embracing spooks across the world. Even his death is an enigma.
Rather fun read. As long as you are not one of the folks he plundered.
Here’s the NY Times link: The ‘Lady of the House’ Who was Long Entangled with Jeffrey Epstein
TenguPhule
Well played, Biden.
Elizabelle
@tokyokie: Wow, those aren’t just eyebrows. They’re more like cow-catchers.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
One might say he ended up as a cancelled Czech.
TenguPhule
@Betty Cracker:
Not only that, but its exactly the kind of thing that inspires primary challenges and third party spoilers.
Elizabelle
@NotMax: One might. LOL.
tokyokie
@Another Scott:
As was Jack Elam.
TenguPhule
FTFNYT has no editing standards for their headlines.
mrmoshpotato
I’m just going to assume that it’s safe to call this disgusting without reading any of the post.
Chief Oshkosh
@The Moar You Know: What is stupid is pretending that most people calling for impeachment are not asking for an immediate vote at all. But hey, whatever gets one to happy hour.
Chyron HR
@TenguPhule:
“Upon careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that black lives matter for the duration of the primary.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@mrmoshpotato: With Trump that’s always a safe bet.
Dr Ronnie James DO
Thinning eyebrows are a notorious symptom of hypothyroid – along with weight gain, hair loss, irritable behavior, memory loss…
Mike in DC
Those aren’t caterpillars. Those are well-trained house centipedes.
Harbison
Oh look, another dot: https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jeffrey-epstein-pilot-kellyanne-conway/
Epstein’s pilot paling around with racoon-cosplayer Kellyann Conway late in 2016 – long after Trump cut ties with Epstein. Strange!
Spanky
@tokyokie: No love for Andy Rooney?
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: General emphatically is not the correct form of address. It is not a military position. General in this case is an adjective modifying attorney. It is akin to sergeant major in grammatical construction. A sergeant major is an NCO not an officer. An attorney general is a lawyer not a military officer. I am at work and on my phone so I am not able to cite to any references at the moment.
rikyrah
@TenguPhule:
No doubt from me
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Note I used the term honorific. General is correct in that case, same as it is for a Surgeon General. General is not reserved solely for the military.
NotMax
@NotMax
Will add that it is rarely used yet still a tenet of formal protocol.
prostratedragon
Nietsche.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: The first time I ever heard the Attorney General referred to as “General” was George W. Bush, sure you want to align with him?
Harbison
@Omnes Omnibus:
This is correct.
And it’s also why the plural is Attorneys General, not Attorney Generals.
the Conster
@geg6:
The Select Committee on Watergate held hearings for almost a year before a resolution was voted on for the Judiciary Committee to open up impeachment hearings, after which they voted out Articles of Impeachment after 5 months of hearings. And that was for just one crime. Pelosi has had the House for 6 months, they have at least 2 dozen active investigations and are getting the courts to affirm their oversight requests which will be critical if the hearings became impeachment hearings.
What would compel the WH to comply is another question entirely.
Kay
@sdhays:
I laughed though because it’s exactly how I imagine they all talk :)
It started with Jared who said that Chris Christie’s horrible goons trapping school buses on a highway was “badass”
Like this: “baaadass“. So this is now how I think they all talk in that White house. Like 7th graders. “Badass” “She’s hot” Maybe 5th graders, really.
I think really coddled and privileged people sometimes don’t grow up because they don’t have to. These people.
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Bill Clinton’s AG was routinely addressed and referred to as “General Reno.”
ETA: Not saying it’s correct, not saying I agree. Just saying it’s not uncommon.
Brachiator
@Gin & Tonic:
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: Never heard that.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
A little more
Is there still a Postmaster General?
Also, I seem to remember some movie where there was a Witchfinder General. An alternate title for a Vincent Price horror film.
Link.
http://www.formsofaddress.info/attorney_general.html
Betty Cracker
Does anyone else find it curious that Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s alleged procurer, was able to skip town when he was busted? The women who’ve accused Epstein of abusing them allege that she was in on the trafficking scheme and participated in the abuse. No one knows where she is now, supposedly. She quietly shuttered her charity and disappeared.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: It is not the correct honorific either. General refers to the scope of representation. If you find more than one attorney general in a location, you have attorneys general not attorney generals.
In any case, I have said my piece and you can and will do as you choose.
Mike in NC
@Kay:
The entire Trump family and their hangers-on express themselves as poorly educated thugs because that’s exactly what they are.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: I’d assume her daddy taught her to keep a few extra passports around the house.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
For drumpf, barely knowing someone means an entirely different situation/level than normal humans understand. For drumpf it means he probably doesn’t know how to spell the person’s name and has spent less than 20 hours having some level of sexual deviance with them and while he owes them money, it’s not enough for him to have to find someone to loan him the amount and attorney fees.
Mike in NC
@Brachiator:
Witch hunt! Democrat hoax! No collusion!!!
Brachiator
@Elizabelle:
I vaguely knew that a Ghislaine Maxwell was connected to Maxwell, but didn’t realize she was Robert Maxwell’s daughter. What a small world these people run around in.
Apparently, Maxwell was the inspiration for the villain in the James Bond film “Tomorrow Never Dies.”
Just Chuck
Trump looks a lot like John Kerry in that photo.
Of course Kerry still looks a lot like he used to. Trump on the other hand … hate is a hell of an uglifier.
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
AG Reno was speaker at a conference I attended in, I think, 1994. Whoever introduced her referred to her as “General Reno,” and during the Q&A several of the questioners (state legislators) addressed her directly the same way. I also recall at least one TV reporter (during Elián González? Waco? Can’t remember) talking about “General” Reno during a newscast.
It is a strange locution.
Brachiator
@Ruckus:
No. It just means he’s lying.
Betty Cracker
@Brachiator: Sounds like someone with Maxwell’s background would be a crackerjack purveyor of compromising material. No wonder Epstein got away with his hideous crimes for so long. Maxwell is like the Forrest Gump of the jet set, photo-bombing everyone from Prince Andrew to Bill Clinton to Donald Fucking Trump.
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator: Matthew Hopkins was the largely self appointed (IIRC one town appointed him to that position but he used the title throughout the territory (largely Norfolk) in which he operated. He was active for about two years in the 1640s and his “witchfinding” led to about 100 executions.
Betty Cracker
@SiubhanDuinne: Reno was a fascinating woman, and her parents even more so.
mrmoshpotato
@Just Chuck:
Let this be a lesson, kids – sucking the Kremlin’s ass for 32 years makes you fugly (and also a Soviet shitpile).
Harbison
@Betty Cracker: Didn’t the NYT article say or imply that she skipped over a year ago? Or at least dropped out of the “social scene.”
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker: She can run, but … I think the law will catch up with Ghislaine Maxwell.
She holds, I think, French citizenship as well. All nine Maxwell children were born in France, their mother’s homeland.
Popcorn time.
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
No.
Her father had many friends, and may have performed intelligence services for many governments during WW2.
Sometimes a person can call in a favor.
Steeplejack (phone)
@NotMax:
Omnes is most assuredly correct. In either case, “attorney general” or “surgeon general,” general is an adjective modifying the title, just as in “sergeant major.”
To the original question, since “Attorney General Joe Blow” is in the actual address of the letter, “Dear Sir” or Dear Madam” would suffice in the salutation—or, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing, “Dear Mr. Attorney General” or “Dear Madam Attorney General.”
I cringe when I hear newsbots or politicians say things like “General Sessions” or “General Barr.” Although there is such a thing as a “general sessions court” in Alabama, perhaps in other states, too.
Gin & Tonic
@Brachiator: Thank you.
Betty Cracker
@Harbison: I’ve hit my article limit on The Times, so I don’t know what it said, but I got the impression from other outlets that she skedaddled more recently. Her charity allegedly shut down just this week. No where did I see it alleged that she has been charged with anything or even sought for questioning, which seems like a glaring oversight! I hope I’m wrong about that.
Yarrow
@Elizabelle: @Betty Cracker: @Brachiator: Ghislaine Maxwell is in the background in the above NBC video. She’s with Epstein and his group when they come in the door. There’s a better shot of her during the moment when Trump says “She’s hot” about one of the women there. She’s only visible for a few seconds. White shirt, short dark hair.
Gin & Tonic
@SiubhanDuinne: Well, I’m not going to address him as “General.”
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Maxwell led a complex, controversial life. A tidbit from the Wiki.
Ruckus
@sdhays:
It is said as a come on. As in “Your hot, I’m hot, let’s fuck.
Not sure it works, I imagine it didn’t, pretty sure it wouldn’t today. Unless the woman worked without pants on rather often and was used to crude assholes.
Betty Cracker
@Ruckus: They were NFL cheerleaders, so we can safely assume they were accustomed to crude assholes.
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus:
Damn. He certainly caused a lot of damage in two brief years.
The 1968 movie that freaked me out as a kid was about Hopkins, but I didn’t know that it was based on actual history. The original title was “Witchfinder General,” but in the US they called it “The Conquerer Worm.” It was a Roger Corman production, and they wanted a link to his previous films, which had some connections to Edgar Allen Poe.
TenguPhule
@Brachiator:
Good Omens.
trnc
@TenguPhule: The time this technology hits the consumer market may coincide strongly with me not being invited to anything by anybody anymore.
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker: I would like to hear more about Janet Reno’s parents. Someone has brought that up before, but I do not remember the particulars.
James E Powell
@NotMax:
@Omnes Omnibus:
Maybe this will help clear it up.
germy
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Imagine the feeding frenzy if this was Clinton. Even though he’s been out of office for 20 years and was a well known philanderer they still would be going nutz.
But, IOKIYAR
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator: There is a good two part documentary on him on either Netflix or Prime. It was done by Susannah Lipscomb who you will find in quite a few British history tv shows as she combines actual intellectual cred with tv presenter looks. Oddly enough, it had been on my “to watch” list for a while, but I just got to it on Monday evening.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
Perhaps “routinely” is doing the work of “incidents I remember” there. I certainly don’t remember things that way from the Clinton administration.
Aleta
Leaving aside their deeper connections for a moment, Dershowitz and Trump knew or suspected Epstein was a ped. but did not report suspicions to authorities.
Dershowitz is now busy making other defenses for himself, but he never touches on his failure to report the possibility of Ep’s tendency to anyone. ‘Everybody who was anybody in NY knew Epstein’ (paraphrase) is Dershowitz’s only defense of the simple fact of his association. Trump says something similar. Trump also uses as a defense that he stopped speaking to Epstein after implied falling out.
In NY Mag today
But Trump and M. Largo never reported even that Epstein ‘might have been’ preying on girls. Where is his explanation for that?
There’ve been some stories about the many people in NY society or at Harvard who associated with Epstein, and comments on how the country as a whole gives the wealthy and whites a pass. In a way, they seem to be suggesting that Trump and Dershowitz be allowed into the same category.
But I think it’s incriminating that a former friend like Trump, and a lawyer and frequent home visitor like Dershowitz, have AFAIK never defended themselves by saying they spoke of concerns to anyone. Surely Trump had leads and suggestions to contribute, since he was ‘not a fan.’ Yes, Dershowitz was part of the defense in 2008, couldn’t help the prosecution at that time, and participated in attacking victims. But I’d like to know what legal obligations or exceptions (like the crime-fraud exception) may have applied to what he could have done, especially after he stopped being retained. (Has he even said when did he stop working for Epstein?)
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
Eh, that site, or at least that entry, looks a little shaky. The author got corrected several times after the original post and apparently had to fix his references to “attorney generals” rather than “attorneys general.” I guess I’d be willing to admit the possibility that in certain very narrow legal/courtroom situations “General [Somebody]” might fly, but that’s it. General usage (heh!)? No way.
P.S. The most recent example I can remember was a few months ago when big-shot historian and cultural pontificator Jon Meacham (The Soul of America: The Battle for Our Better Angels) sonorously referred to “General Sessions” on Morning Joe. Fingernails on chalkboard.
NotMax
@Brachiator
And then there is the Witchsmeller Pursuivant.
:)
Steeplejack
@Betty Cracker:
You mean busted now or back in the day? I thought Epstein’s original bullshit plea deal involved a free pass for any and all unnamed co-conspirators.
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus:
I will see if it’s available on Prime. Thanks.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
I used to know a Victoria Secret model and the number of guys who thought, were pretty sure, she would fall on her back for them at the first suggestion from them, was probably better than 60%. The actual number over the course of about 6yrs was ONE. Who she was dating that entire time.
Also, I suspect that most women over 15 are aware of crass and crude men.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: I am home now, so I will turn to Emily Post.
Attorney General
Letter Address
The Honorable Full Name
The Attorney General
Address
Salutation
Dear Mr. / Ms. / Madam Attorney General:
Spoken Greeting
Mr. / Ms. / Madam Attorney General
Mr. / Mrs. / Ms. Last Name
Formal Introduction
The Attorney General
Aleta
Amir Khalid
@TenguPhule:
If you must use Spanish, use it correctly:
thalarctosMaritimus
@Amir Khalid:
One tiny detail: ¿Por qué no los dos?
I have to look it up all the time, because I always forget which meaning has the accent, and which ones don’t.