Fake Eyebrows (Open Thread)

As you’ve no doubt heard, NBC News unearthed a 1992 video of a coked-up-seeming Trump cavorting with serial pedophile Jeffrey Epstein at a party held at Trump’s tacky-ass Florida property. Here’s a still photo from the vid:

I apologize for inflicting Trump’s hideous visage on you, which I generally avoid. But I’m hoping someone can explain Trump’s eyebrows in that photo. They look fake, especially when you see them in motion in the video. Can heavy cocaine use combined with tanning bed and hair product exposure cause alopecia? I remember the early 1990s — the hairdos of the women in the NBC video brought on flashbacks — but I don’t remember fake eyebrows being a thing.

Allegedly, many of the women pictured were Buffalo Bills cheerleaders. In the video, Trump grabs one of them from behind by the pelvis and then smacks her on the ass. I took a quick spin through the mainstream news sites, and all have a blurb about the tape, but it’s not the main story on any site I saw, including NBC, which broke the story.

Since its now fairly unremarkable to view tape of a future POTUS leering at women and aggressively grabbing a cheerleader while yucking it up with a notorious pedophile, I thought I’d explore the weird eyebrows angle. What do y’all think of that pair of caterpillars attached to Trump’s ugly mug? Strange, huh?

Open thread.






152 replies
  1. 1
    Robert Pierce says:

    In trumpworld, nobody gaf. Quite the opposite, because this shocks the sensibilities of decent people, they cheer their *hero* even more.

  2. 2
    kd bart says:

    Isn’t that John Barron?

  3. 3
    germy says:

    I noticed the eyebrows as soon as I saw the video (early this morning) and you’re the first person to point them out.

  4. 4
    dedc79 says:

    That most people have already made up their mind about Trump is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in that enough people can’t stand him that we SHOULD be able to take him down in 2020. A curse in that the daily drumbeat of news that would take any Democratic president down in a heartbeat is greeted with a shrug because it’s Trump.

  5. 5
    NotMax says:

    Homage to Brezhnev?

    Also note the color of the pre-dyed blond hair.

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    kd bart says:

    Good thing he wasn’t wearing a tan suit.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    They’re so weird! They’re like waving in the breeze. I lived through the ’90s, and this was not any sort of fad I can remember.

    His dancing is so lovely too.

    Barf.

  8. 8
    zhena gogolia says:

    @NotMax:

    Haha! Brovenosets Brezhnev!

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    Hildebrand says:

    I remember the days, oh so long ago, when every Republican (and quite a few Democrats) within range of a television camera made sure to give voice to the way in which they and society were scandalized by a lecherous president. Whatever happened to those days? Perhaps I imagined the whole thing.

  10. 10
    delk says:

    Russian allegiance Brezhnev cosplay?

  11. 11
    Ivan X says:

    Epstein 2020!

  12. 12
    Millard Filmore says:

    Trump says “If somebody has a problem with our country, if somebody doesn’t want to be in our country, they should leave!”

    I’ll bring this notion up next time I hear that abortion should be outlawed.

  13. 13
    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    Since its now fairly unremarkable to view tape of a future POTUS leering at women and aggressively grabbing a cheerleader while yucking it up with a notorious pedophile

    Face meets palm

  14. 14
    chris says:

    From the gummint:

    Harassment Based on National Origin
    Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person’s foreign accent or comments like, “Go back to where you came from, ” whether made by supervisors or by co-workers. https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/immigrants-facts.cfm

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    Brachiator says:

    This video was big on the UK Daily Mail site this morning. The story also claimed that one of the women at the party worked for Epstein as his pimp, providing him with young girls.

    And this is from 1992? I thought Trump’s story was that he barely knew the guy.

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    Olivia says:

    I just googled some pics from the 90s of him. He had the same eyebrows as his dad did. Really awful! Maybe he went through some kind of eyebrow shaping. He had his scalp altered at Ivana’s suggestion, maybe she had him do the eyebrows too.

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    jl says:

    @chris: ‘ or comments like, “Go back to where you came from, ” ‘

    Obviously evidence that the Deep State anti-Trump conspiracy is vast the deep, and some of them are clairvoyant, or Obama lent them his time machine.

  18. 18
    NCSteve says:

    My guess is at some point, a hairdresser asked if he wanted to try giving them a trim, he said yes and then it be came part of his routine.

    Disappointingly prosaic, but it happened to me after I hit 55.

  19. 19
    Elizabelle says:

    The Roanoke Times is shrill today. Roanoke, mind you. Whole editorial is worth reading.

    Editorial: Trump has it wrong; he seems to be the one who hates America

    Go back where you came from. [their italics]

    Has an American president ever said anything so repulsive and so contrary to American ideals? We cannot remember anything from our lifetimes or from our history.

    …. This is the essence of the matter. Trump does not seem to like the nation over which he presides. It is an America that is changing because America has always been changing — from the moment those first Polish immigrants arrived in Jamestown in 1608. Here’s how it’s changing now: Starting in about 2013, most babies born in the United States haven’t been white. Demographers expect that by next year, most Americans under 18 will be non-white. The America of the future will be a nation in which no ethnic group comprises the majority. Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Talib and Pressley look more like the future than Trump does.

    We have two possible paths: One is a nation that embraces its diversity as a strength (this is hardly a radical concept; businesses teach this all the time in brainstorming sessions). The other is a nation that descends into identity politics and xenophobia. It’s clear which route Trump has chosen. We’ve also seen the disturbing consequences: White supremacists marching through the streets of Charlottesville, and hate groups up 30%. Trump did not necessarily cause all that, but he has emboldened such vile behavior — and now he’s just done it again. History will judge him harshly. But what about the present? Republicans have been sadly silent about Trump in general — overlooking his crude behavior as long as they get the policies they prefer. This is understandable: Democrats in the 1990s preferred not to talk about the behavior of Bill Clinton. A different sort of behavior, of course, but the comparison is still instructive. Clinton’s moral transgressions, though, hurt himself and the people around him, not the nation he represented. America can survive an adulterous president. It is more difficult to survive one who undermines our ideals by telling certain Americans who are ethnically different that somehow they aren’t fully American, to “go back” when they are, in fact, citizens just as much as he is. Silence is consent. Our representatives should not be silent about this. History will judge them, too.

    Criticizing Bill Clinton is weak tea, but I imagine the Roanoke authors did so because it’s the first response their Fox News-addled readers are likely to cough up, and the Times cut that argument right out from under them. As we all should. False equivalency.

    An earlier paragraph had a curious comment on AOC and the Green New Deal. It does nothing for southwest Virginia coal country. Really?? That’s hard to believe.

    Indeed, if it hadn’t been for Trump’s shocking outburst, you’d have been reading in this space our own editorial criticizing Ocasio-Cortez for some things that relate directly to Virginia. You will have to wait a few days for that one now. It’s not often that we agree with Ocasio-Cortez — whose politics put her at the leftward edge of the Democratic Party and whose Green New Deal offers no hope for building a new economy in former coal counties — but she is right on this. In her response to Trump, she wrote: “You are angry because you can’t conceive of an America that includes us.”

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    prostratedragon says:

    The delights of adblock-free surfing: This page came up for me with an ad for some ultrasound pest control device, showing two small rats huddled together, looking out their hole

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Maybe he went through some kind of eyebrow shaping.

    @Olivia: I discovered plucking in the 1990s and maybe he did too. I was much younger than Trump, but saw that my brows were obviously going to be a problem later on. Would look like his do in that video, to get to the point. The werewolf-in-transition/loose caterpillars-on-face look is not a good one on any man.

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    MattF says:

    Google says that testosterone makes your eyebrows thicker. So, there’s a motive for making your eyebrows look thick.

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    Just Chuck says:

    @Hildebrand:

    I remember the days, oh so long ago, when every Republican (and quite a few Democrats) within range of a television camera made sure to give voice to the way in which they and society were scandalized by a lecherous Democratic president.

    FTFY.

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    TenguPhule says:

    In other bizarre and terrifying news.

    Elon Musk unveils plan to build mind-reading implants: ‘The monkey is out of the bag’

    Elon Musk’s secretive “brain-machine interface” startup, Neuralink, stepped out of the shadows on Tuesday evening, revealing its progress in creating a wireless implantable device that can – theoretically – read your mind.

    At an event at the California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco, Musk touted the startup’s achievements since he founded it in 2017 with the goal of staving off what he considers to be an “existential threat”: artificial intelligence (AI) surpassing human intelligence.

    Two years later, Neuralink claims to have achieved major advances toward Musk’s goal of having human and machine intelligence work in “symbiosis”. Neuralink says it has designed very small “threads” – smaller than a human hair – that can be injected into the brain to detect the activity of neurons. It also says it has developed a robot to insert those threads in the brain, under the direction of a neurosurgeon.

    Instead of Skynet, we get the Virus version of the Borg.

  25. 25
    Mart says:

    Somewhere in my fifties hair started growing like and where it had not before. When the hair cut person put a comb over my eyebrows and trimmed; I suddenly realized I had become my father. So sad.

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    chris says:

    I watched some of the video (can’t take very much!) and I think his eyebrows are badly trimmed and and badly dyed. Just like his hair.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The Hill

    @thehill
    Chris Cuomo: “What would you do if the President said, ‘I am a racist’?”

    Kris Kobach: “Then I would not defend him b/c there’s no excuse for racism in America.”

    Cuomo: “Would you still support him as President?”

    Kobach: “Um, I don’t know. That’d be a really tough question.”

    123
    7:31 AM – Jul 17, 2019

    Bring on the asteroids. Smite us oh almighty smiter!

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Instead of Skynet, we get the Virus version of the Borg.

    Why not both?

    This is both fascinating and deeply creepy.

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    scav says:

    It’s turtles all the way down. The finance chairman of the RNC, Tom Ricketts, hasn’t been paying the property taxes he should and submitted a photo of a destroyed house to support a reduction in what he owed. But hey, the buck stops with his lawyer (not wife) this time because that’s what little people are for. Aren’t Rich Guys that own sports teams special.

  30. 30
    TenguPhule says:

    Bernie Sanders

    @BernieSanders
    Eric Garner was killed 5 years ago. The officer who killed him is still on the force. That is unacceptable.

    22.7K
    5:52 AM – Jul 17, 2019

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Robert Pierce: Yep. If the libs think it’s bad, then that makes them love Trump more. He can be as racist as he likes, so long as he tells Democrats that they’re the REAL racists and refuses to apologize.

  32. 32
    TenguPhule says:

    Former Trump officials believe the president would like to strike a nuclear deal with Iran that “essentially mirrors” the one Barack Obama and John Kerry negotiated in 2015, according to a new report from Politico.

    “Trump got rid of the Iran nuclear deal because it was Barack Obama’s agreement,” Jarrett Blanc, a former State Department official who helped oversee the 2015 deal’s implementation, told Politico. “If you were to present to Trump the same deal and call it Trump’s deal, he’d be thrilled.”

    /Facepalm

    Country is so utterly fucked,

  33. 33
    Hoodie says:

    A few things I noted:
    – Trump is, like, 46 when this is filmed. Those women are all in their 20’s or even younger, cheerleaders for a couple of pro football teams. He acts like a low rent douchebag at a meat market bar, taking every opportunity to indiscriminately grope girls on the dance floor.
    – This is 1992, but the style looks ’70s, lot of Farah Fawcett hair. Trump even created parties that made him think he was still in his 20’s.
    – Epstein looks short and weird. He gives the impression that he fancies himself as Ralph Lauren with the prematurely grey hair, and attempts to cop the look with that faded denim shirt. Instead, he comes off looking like Ted Bundy at a frat rush party a la 1978. An irony is that Ralph Lauren, who has been surrounded by beautiful young women his entire adult life, has been married to the same woman since 1964.

  34. 34
    TenguPhule says:

    Donald Trump’s approval rating with Republicans rose in a USA Today/Ipsos poll conducted entirely after his racist tweets on Sunday attacking four Democratic congresswomen of color.

    Trump’s net approval with Republicans in the new poll rose 5 percentage points, to 72%, from a similar poll conducted last week.

    In case there were any lingering doubts as to what Republicans really are.

  35. 35
    MisterForkbeard says:

    @chris: Yep. Though for numerous reasons Trump isn’t technically breaking that law. He’s not their boss, Congressmen aren’t his employees, and there’s a lot of wiggle room for him on the ‘work-environment’ angle.

    But he’s totally breaking the spirit of the law. To be clear: The law explicitly says that what Trump said is racist if it’s said to someone you work with. Trump can’t be prosecuted for this, but if he was part of the civil service he absolutely could be.

    @TenguPhule: I really dislike Sanders on a personal and political level, but he gets things right sometimes. This is one of them: Good for him.

  36. 36
    MisterForkbeard says:

    @TenguPhule: To be fair, I’m sure some of this wasn’t explicitly about racism but about being “strong” and telling Democrats to go shut the fuck up.

    Doesn’t make it any better. But they’re a mix of racists and authoritarians who don’t mind racism.

  37. 37
    jl says:

    @TenguPhule: Sure, but I don’t see how it is evidence that what Trump has done is any kind of strategy. If that is the case, Trump is one of the dumbest people in human history, or he is nuts. A fake ‘Trump Iran Deal’ with some trivial improvements wouldn’t have been difficult to pull off after a decent interval, and some public window dressing to hide what the negotiations were really about behind closed doors.

    Iran is not going to offer him the same deal now, let alone something trivially better that Trump could brag about.

  38. 38
    NotMax says:

    @The Moar You Know

    Didn’t hurt the successful movie careers of Sir C. Aubrey Smith or Tyrone Power.

    :)

  39. 39
    chris says:

    @TenguPhule: JFC. If you don’t know how to post links, just ask.

  40. 40
    TenguPhule says:

    @jl:

    If that is the case, Trump is one of the dumbest people in human history, or he is nuts.

    Por Que Los Dos?

  41. 41
    Gin & Tonic says:

    Question to the myriad attorneys who peruse this site: what is the correct form of address/salutation when writing a formal letter to a State Attorney General? “Honorable Name”? “Dear Attorney General Name”? “Dear Mr. Name”?

  42. 42
    TenguPhule says:

    @chris: All in one link.

    FYWP is being a pain with the link button today.

  43. 43
    The Moar You Know says:

    House likely to vote on impeachment resolution Wednesday

    With only eighty-some votes in the can, 218 needed. But somehow Pelosi is the stupid one for wanting to wait.

    The GOP doesn’t have to lift a finger to fight us, we’re just going to own-goal ourselves right into the 2020 elections.

  44. 44
    Keith P. says:

    @TenguPhule: didn’t his girlfriend just replace part of her eyeball with some orange polymer her friend cooked up in the lab? Supposedly to alleviate seasonal depression.

  45. 45
    chris says:

    @TenguPhule: Plain text is fine, I can go from there.

    @The Moar You Know: There was an impeachment poll result on DKos the other day: 46% pro; 47% con. FWIW

  46. 46
    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    With only eighty-some votes in the can, 218 needed. But somehow Pelosi is the stupid one for wanting to wait.

    If the Speaker had told us who was still hung up about impeachment the base could have called them to change their mind. Instead, we have to take the long route to get the information.

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    scav says:

    @MisterForkbeard: I’m not sure that “authoritarians that don’t mind racism” aren’t effectively racists. At the very least, they’re enablers: they’re driving the getaway car, providing the alibi, holding down the person while someone else does the actual waterboarding. Their actions lead to racist outcomes. It’s still adultry even if you’re holding crossed fingers behind your back and whispering in your pure litttle heart that you still love your wife.

  48. 48
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Keith P.: Excuse me?

  49. 49
    chris says:

    @The Moar You Know: FYWP edit function.

    One of the history people pointed out that there were 17 impeachment resolutions before the Watergate committee began to roll.

  50. 50
    TenguPhule says:

    Ebola outbreak in Congo declared an emergency of ‘international concern’

    I forget, do we even still have an appointed Health Secretary anymore?

  51. 51
    TenguPhule says:

    Two Republican senators emerge as opponents to 9/11 victims bill

    Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) used a procedural move to stall the bill, saying he wants to figure out how to pay for it. Sen. Mike Lee (Utah) also has placed a hold on the bill, advocates say.

    I’m so old I remember how ads would be run claiming anyone doing something like this obviously hates America.

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    sdhays says:

    @TenguPhule: With the people the ASSet hires, does it matter?

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    First, IANAL.

    Second, technically the honorific is “General.” However, either Dear Mr. (or Ms) or else Dear Madam (or Sir) would suffice for all but the most formal of occasions.

  54. 54
    Spanky says:

    @Elizabelle: This is bit about the green new deal leaving out SW Va is curious, seeing as I have a buddy working on wind technology for GE in Roanoke, VA.

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    Kay says:

    I love how they’re such morons they have to leer AND point. It’s what 4 year olds do. Most people grow out of it by kindergarten but not these grossly overgrown, coddled toddlers. “looka dat!”
    I don’t know who the women are but they could do much, much better, whoever they are, and I do mean “whoever”. I suppose the 13 year olds they “date” don’t know any better.

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    sdhays says:

    @TenguPhule: I’m glad Jon Stewart chewed out the House members who then practically immediately passed it – as they were already intending to. That was clearly productive.

  57. 57
    TenguPhule says:

    @sdhays: I suppose not.

  58. 58
    Kraux Pas says:

    Two Republican senators emerge as opponents to 9/11 victims bill

    Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) used a procedural move to stall the bill, saying he wants to figure out how to pay for it. Sen. Mike Lee (Utah) also has placed a hold on the bill, advocates say.

    I’m so old I remember how ads would be run claiming anyone doing something like this obviously hates America.

    Don’t they? They’re prominent figures in the steal everything not nailed down party.

  59. 59
    TenguPhule says:

    @Kay:

    I love how they’re such morons they have to leer AND point. It’s what 4 year olds do.

    Most 4 year olds don’t leer.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Spanky: Exactly.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @The Moar You Know: It’s Rep. Green’s solo impeachment effort, which he has introduced twice before, and it will almost certainly be dispatched as swiftly as the previous attempts. I don’t think they even have to actually vote on it. In any case, it’s unlikely to be a harbinger of Democratic doom.

  62. 62
    sdhays says:

    @Kay: I don’t want to watch the video, but this was my reaction too. “She’s hot” – what a stupid thing to say. All the women there are “hot”, I’m sure, because that’s why they were invited. It’s like some kind of disgusting cartoon.

  63. 63
    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s Rep. Green’s solo impeachment effort, which he has introduced twice before, and it will almost certain be dispatched as swiftly as the previous attempts.

    Killed by procedure before the vote by the leadership.

  64. 64
    gvg says:

    @TenguPhule: Budget negotiations to avoid defaulting are going to be interesting. Trump is a really stupid negotiator. He doesn’t keep his word or contracts. He even screws GOP Congressmen with changing his mind all the time. Nobody can actually negotiate with him. Iran of course won’t have anything to do with us until Trump is gone, nor really any country. The idiot doesn’t understand that the other party has needs too and you have to keep promises or the next time won’t happen.
    I think he has convinced himself that he is a great negotiator by marketing himself to himself. Claiming wherever he ends up, it’s where he meant to be. he is actually incompetent.
    Only way we get a budget is if the other GOP congressmen tell him, accept this or take responsibility for failure alone. Maybe we can get something neutral that will have a Veto override majority in both houses.

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    Martin says:

    @Brachiator:

    And this is from 1992? I thought Trump’s story was that he barely knew the guy.

    Actually Trump said he’s not a fan, which is probably true if Epstein got his payment on the back end of a tape of Trump assaulting a child. Huge fan up until that moment, though.

  67. 67
    TenguPhule says:

    @gvg:

    I think he has convinced himself that he is a great negotiator by marketing himself to himself.

    He did it by screwing over his vendors using the power imbalance between people trying to make a living and a bastard who doesn’t give a fuck about the law.

    Now he’s saying “Oh yeah, you and what army?” to folks that actually have an army.

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    tokyokie says:

    The all-time champion of out-of-control eyebrows is former Japanese Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama.

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    Ruviana says:

    @Hoodie: I don’t think Epstein looks weird exactly but it’s hard to see the resemblance to his current self. I think he looks sort of like ol’ Dancin” Dave Gregory here

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @TenguPhule: My guess is Pelosi is trying to protect vulnerable freshmen reps from exactly that kind of pressure. I can understand that. A big part of her job is to protect the majority. My beef with how Pelosi is handling the impeachment issue is that she has thus far treated the very idea as preposterous. That’s demoralizing to the many party members (elected or not) who DO take it seriously.

  72. 72
    geg6 says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    How is doing what the Watergate committees did somehow an own goal?

    They put out multiple articles of impeachment. It wasn’t until a bit before Nixon’s resignation that the votes were there.

    Jesus. Read some fucking history, people.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @tokyokie: Wow. Those are some serious eyebrows. We had a great-uncle who had eyebrows that looked like they could support a teacup, though we never tested the theory.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @NCSteve:

    Disappointingly prosaic, but it happened to me after I hit 55.

    When I was a young man, any hair I saw in my peripheral vision was usually my bangs. Now it’s just my eyebrows…

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    Elizabelle says:

    I wonder if we’re safer against this kind of crap now because of cell phones. Maybe the news and images would get out faster. Not as many gatekeepers as — surprise — NBC with its look at fun-loving newly a “bachelor” again Trump. (They use the word bachelor, not divorced man.)

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    tokyokie says:

    @Betty Cracker: I was working in Japan when Murayama was in office. We’d joke that Clinton’s gift for Murayama during his state visit was an eyebrow comb.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Alternative header: “Notorious pederast parties with Jeffrey Epstein.”

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    NotMax says:

    @Another Scott

    To tie it in with Watergate, Sam Ervin was no slouch when it came to eyebrows.

    ;)

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Another Scott: And — one degree of separation — Trump’s eyebrows (and dyed hair) are like Robert Maxwell. Disgraced British publisher/former MP/corporate plunderer who took a dive off his yacht while he was facing financial ruin.

    Trump is a poor imitation of Maxwell, who was Czech-born under a different name, an actual war hero (WW2), an actual self-made millionaire, but a man referred to as “the bouncing Czech” and one who plundered his employees’ pension fund before turning up drowned and dead. Also an alleged triple spy. Russia, Israel, and I forget the third country.

    Someone you really cannot make up, because he would be too unrealistic. (Alas, like our recent years with Trump.)

    BUT: Maxwell was father of British “socialite” Ghislaine Maxwell, close friend/alleged one-time girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein, and accused of being one of his procurers of underaged and other young females. (FWIW, the FTF NYTimes also had a juicy story on Ghislaine this week.)

    Daily Beast: Ghislaine Maxwell’s Father Was a Dark and Mysterious Figure, Just Like Jeffrey Epstein. Robert Maxwell set out to build a media empire. He ended up like a John le Carré villain embracing spooks across the world. Even his death is an enigma.

    Rather fun read. As long as you are not one of the folks he plundered.

    Here’s the NY Times link: The ‘Lady of the House’ Who was Long Entangled with Jeffrey Epstein

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    TenguPhule says:

    The Hill

    @thehill
    Biden blasts Trump tweets: “If Trump doesn’t have a racist bone ‘that means he has no bones'” http://hill.cm/P0WhXzn

    135
    8:40 AM – Jul 17, 2019

    Well played, Biden.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @tokyokie: Wow, those aren’t just eyebrows. They’re more like cow-catchers.

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    NotMax says:

    @Elizabelle

    One might say he ended up as a cancelled Czech.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    My beef with how Pelosi is handling the impeachment issue is that she has thus far treated the very idea as preposterous. That’s demoralizing to the many party members (elected or not) who DO take it seriously.

    Not only that, but its exactly the kind of thing that inspires primary challenges and third party spoilers.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: One might. LOL.

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    tokyokie says:

    @Another Scott:

    Edward Teller was in the running….

    As was Jack Elam.

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    TenguPhule says:

    What It Looked Like When Earth Was Glued to the Moon

    FTFNYT has no editing standards for their headlines.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    I’m just going to assume that it’s safe to call this disgusting without reading any of the post.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @The Moar You Know: What is stupid is pretending that most people calling for impeachment are not asking for an immediate vote at all. But hey, whatever gets one to happy hour.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @TenguPhule:

    “Upon careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that black lives matter for the duration of the primary.”

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    @mrmoshpotato: With Trump that’s always a safe bet.

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    Dr Ronnie James DO says:

    Thinning eyebrows are a notorious symptom of hypothyroid – along with weight gain, hair loss, irritable behavior, memory loss…

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    Mike in DC says:

    Those aren’t caterpillars. Those are well-trained house centipedes.

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    Harbison says:

    Oh look, another dot: https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jeffrey-epstein-pilot-kellyanne-conway/

    Epstein’s pilot paling around with racoon-cosplayer Kellyann Conway late in 2016 – long after Trump cut ties with Epstein. Strange!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: General emphatically is not the correct form of address. It is not a military position. General in this case is an adjective modifying attorney. It is akin to sergeant major in grammatical construction. A sergeant major is an NCO not an officer. An attorney general is a lawyer not a military officer. I am at work and on my phone so I am not able to cite to any references at the moment.

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Note I used the term honorific. General is correct in that case, same as it is for a Surgeon General. General is not reserved solely for the military.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Will add that it is rarely used yet still a tenet of formal protocol.

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    prostratedragon says:

    Nietsche.

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    @NotMax: The first time I ever heard the Attorney General referred to as “General” was George W. Bush, sure you want to align with him?

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    Harbison says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    This is correct.

    And it’s also why the plural is Attorneys General, not Attorney Generals.

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    the Conster says:

    @geg6:

    The Select Committee on Watergate held hearings for almost a year before a resolution was voted on for the Judiciary Committee to open up impeachment hearings, after which they voted out Articles of Impeachment after 5 months of hearings. And that was for just one crime. Pelosi has had the House for 6 months, they have at least 2 dozen active investigations and are getting the courts to affirm their oversight requests which will be critical if the hearings became impeachment hearings.

    What would compel the WH to comply is another question entirely.

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    Kay says:

    @sdhays:

    I don’t want to watch the video, but this was my reaction too. “She’s hot” – what a stupid thing to say.

    I laughed though because it’s exactly how I imagine they all talk :)
    It started with Jared who said that Chris Christie’s horrible goons trapping school buses on a highway was “badass”
    Like this: “baaadass“. So this is now how I think they all talk in that White house. Like 7th graders. “Badass” “She’s hot” Maybe 5th graders, really.

    I think really coddled and privileged people sometimes don’t grow up because they don’t have to. These people.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    The first time I ever heard the Attorney General referred to as “General” was George W. Bush, sure you want to align with him?

    Bill Clinton’s AG was routinely addressed and referred to as “General Reno.”

    ETA: Not saying it’s correct, not saying I agree. Just saying it’s not uncommon.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    The Attorney General of a State

    Envelope, official:
    The Honorable
    (Full name)
    Attorney General of (Name of State)
    (Address)

    Letter salutation:
    Dear Mr./Madam Attorney General

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    Brachiator says:

    @NotMax:

    From one site addressing these issues

    The Attorney General of a State

    Envelope, official:
        The Honorable
            (Full name)
                Attorney General of (Name of State)
                    (Address)

    Letter salutation: 
        Dear Mr./Madam Attorney General

    A little more

    Attorneys confirm that attorneys general and solicitors general are addressed and referred to as General (Surname) in courtroom settings. He says in federal and state supreme and appellate court proceedings you will see references in court documents to attorney generals as General (Surname). This makes sense

        A law librarian at the Library of Congress did some research on this at my request and confirms in oral arguments, court documents record the Attorney General and Solicitor General as “Gen. (full name), Esq.”

    Is there still a Postmaster General?

    Also, I seem to remember some movie where there was a Witchfinder General. An alternate title for a Vincent Price horror film.

    Link.

    http://www.formsofaddress.info.....neral.html

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Does anyone else find it curious that Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s alleged procurer, was able to skip town when he was busted? The women who’ve accused Epstein of abusing them allege that she was in on the trafficking scheme and participated in the abuse. No one knows where she is now, supposedly. She quietly shuttered her charity and disappeared.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: It is not the correct honorific either. General refers to the scope of representation. If you find more than one attorney general in a location, you have attorneys general not attorney generals.

    In any case, I have said my piece and you can and will do as you choose.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Kay:

    I think really coddled and privileged people sometimes don’t grow up because they don’t have to. These people.

    The entire Trump family and their hangers-on express themselves as poorly educated thugs because that’s exactly what they are.

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    MattF says:

    @Betty Cracker: I’d assume her daddy taught her to keep a few extra passports around the house.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:
    For drumpf, barely knowing someone means an entirely different situation/level than normal humans understand. For drumpf it means he probably doesn’t know how to spell the person’s name and has spent less than 20 hours having some level of sexual deviance with them and while he owes them money, it’s not enough for him to have to find someone to loan him the amount and attorney fees.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Brachiator:

    I seem to remember some movie where there was a Witchfinder General.

    Witch hunt! Democrat hoax! No collusion!!!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Elizabelle:

    BUT: Maxwell was father of British “socialite” Ghislaine Maxwell, close friend/alleged one-time girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein, and accused of being one of his procurers of underaged and other young females. (FWIW, the FTF NYTimes also had a juicy story on Ghislaine this week.)

    I vaguely knew that a Ghislaine Maxwell was connected to Maxwell, but didn’t realize she was Robert Maxwell’s daughter. What a small world these people run around in.

    Daily Beast: Ghislaine Maxwell’s Father Was a Dark and Mysterious Figure, Just Like Jeffrey Epstein. Robert Maxwell set out to build a media empire. He ended up like a John le Carré villain embracing spooks across the world. Even his death is an enigma.

    Apparently, Maxwell was the inspiration for the villain in the James Bond film “Tomorrow Never Dies.”

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    Just Chuck says:

    Trump looks a lot like John Kerry in that photo.

    Of course Kerry still looks a lot like he used to. Trump on the other hand … hate is a hell of an uglifier.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    AG Reno was speaker at a conference I attended in, I think, 1994. Whoever introduced her referred to her as “General Reno,” and during the Q&A several of the questioners (state legislators) addressed her directly the same way. I also recall at least one TV reporter (during Elián González? Waco? Can’t remember) talking about “General” Reno during a newscast.

    It is a strange locution.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Ruckus:

    For drumpf, barely knowing someone means an entirely different situation/level than normal humans understand. For drumpf it means he probably doesn’t know how to spell the person’s name and has spent less than 20 hours having some level of sexual deviance with them

    No. It just means he’s lying.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Brachiator: Sounds like someone with Maxwell’s background would be a crackerjack purveyor of compromising material. No wonder Epstein got away with his hideous crimes for so long. Maxwell is like the Forrest Gump of the jet set, photo-bombing everyone from Prince Andrew to Bill Clinton to Donald Fucking Trump.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Brachiator: Matthew Hopkins was the largely self appointed (IIRC one town appointed him to that position but he used the title throughout the territory (largely Norfolk) in which he operated. He was active for about two years in the 1640s and his “witchfinding” led to about 100 executions.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Reno was a fascinating woman, and her parents even more so.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Just Chuck:

    Trump on the other hand … hate is a hell of an uglifier.

    Let this be a lesson, kids – sucking the Kremlin’s ass for 32 years makes you fugly (and also a Soviet shitpile).

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    Harbison says:

    @Betty Cracker: Didn’t the NYT article say or imply that she skipped over a year ago? Or at least dropped out of the “social scene.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: She can run, but … I think the law will catch up with Ghislaine Maxwell.

    She holds, I think, French citizenship as well. All nine Maxwell children were born in France, their mother’s homeland.

    Popcorn time.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Does anyone else find it curious that Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s alleged procurer, was able to skip town when he was busted?

    No.

    Her father had many friends, and may have performed intelligence services for many governments during WW2.

    Sometimes a person can call in a favor.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @NotMax:

    Omnes is most assuredly correct. In either case, “attorney general” or “surgeon general,” general is an adjective modifying the title, just as in “sergeant major.”

    To the original question, since “Attorney General Joe Blow” is in the actual address of the letter, “Dear Sir” or Dear Madam” would suffice in the salutation—or, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing, “Dear Mr. Attorney General” or “Dear Madam Attorney General.”

    I cringe when I hear newsbots or politicians say things like “General Sessions” or “General Barr.” Although there is such a thing as a “general sessions court” in Alabama, perhaps in other states, too.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Brachiator: Thank you.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Harbison: I’ve hit my article limit on The Times, so I don’t know what it said, but I got the impression from other outlets that she skedaddled more recently. Her charity allegedly shut down just this week. No where did I see it alleged that she has been charged with anything or even sought for questioning, which seems like a glaring oversight! I hope I’m wrong about that.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Elizabelle: @Betty Cracker: @Brachiator: Ghislaine Maxwell is in the background in the above NBC video. She’s with Epstein and his group when they come in the door. There’s a better shot of her during the moment when Trump says “She’s hot” about one of the women there. She’s only visible for a few seconds. White shirt, short dark hair.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Well, I’m not going to address him as “General.”

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    Brachiator says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Maxwell led a complex, controversial life. A tidbit from the Wiki.

    Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell’s funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said.”

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    Ruckus says:

    @sdhays:
    It is said as a come on. As in “Your hot, I’m hot, let’s fuck.
    Not sure it works, I imagine it didn’t, pretty sure it wouldn’t today. Unless the woman worked without pants on rather often and was used to crude assholes.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Ruckus: They were NFL cheerleaders, so we can safely assume they were accustomed to crude assholes.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    He was active for about two years in the 1640s and his “witchfinding” led to about 100 executions

    Damn. He certainly caused a lot of damage in two brief years.

    The 1968 movie that freaked me out as a kid was about Hopkins, but I didn’t know that it was based on actual history. The original title was “Witchfinder General,” but in the US they called it “The Conquerer Worm.” It was a Roger Corman production, and they wanted a link to his previous films, which had some connections to Edgar Allen Poe.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    Also, I seem to remember some movie where there was a Witchfinder General.

    Good Omens.

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    trnc says:

    @TenguPhule: The time this technology hits the consumer market may coincide strongly with me not being invited to anything by anybody anymore.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: I would like to hear more about Janet Reno’s parents. Someone has brought that up before, but I do not remember the particulars.

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    germy says:

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    -Mark Twain

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    . I took a quick spin through the mainstream news sites, and all have a blurb about the tape, but it’s not the main story on any site I saw, including NBC, which broke the story.

    Imagine the feeding frenzy if this was Clinton. Even though he’s been out of office for 20 years and was a well known philanderer they still would be going nutz.

    But, IOKIYAR

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Brachiator: There is a good two part documentary on him on either Netflix or Prime. It was done by Susannah Lipscomb who you will find in quite a few British history tv shows as she combines actual intellectual cred with tv presenter looks. Oddly enough, it had been on my “to watch” list for a while, but I just got to it on Monday evening.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Bill Clinton’s AG was routinely addressed and referred to as “General Reno.”

    Perhaps “routinely” is doing the work of “incidents I remember” there. I certainly don’t remember things that way from the Clinton administration.

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    Aleta says:

    Leaving aside their deeper connections for a moment, Dershowitz and Trump knew or suspected Epstein was a ped. but did not report suspicions to authorities.

    Dershowitz is now busy making other defenses for himself, but he never touches on his failure to report the possibility of Ep’s tendency to anyone. ‘Everybody who was anybody in NY knew Epstein’ (paraphrase) is Dershowitz’s only defense of the simple fact of his association. Trump says something similar. Trump also uses as a defense that he stopped speaking to Epstein after implied falling out.

    In NY Mag today

    “reporter Michael Corcoran in a profile of Trump published in Maximum Golf magazine, illustrates just how friendly the president and Epstein were ( in 2000).
    … at 11:30 P.M. on April 15. “Never be late for someone else’s plane,” Trump says, his facial expression showing a mixture of annoyance and bemusement. The offending party is stuck in Friday rush-house traffic. “C’mon, Jeffrey, where are you?” Trump says. He’s talking about Jeffrey Epstein …. According to Corcoran, Epstein and Maxwell arrived with another passenger not mentioned in the piece. “They did board with a young woman of indeterminate age. I wouldn’t be able to tell if she was 15 or 20. She was quite dressed up and quite made up, so it was hard to tell,” Corcoran said over the weekend. “At the time I didn’t even know who Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were, so when they got on I thought, Maybe they’re married and that’s their niece.”

    In the summer of 2000, around the time the Maximum Golf story was published, Maxwell allegedly recruited 16-year-old Mar-a-Lago employee Virginia Roberts Giuffre to be one of Epstein’s sex slaves, according to a lawsuite Giuffre filed against Maxwell, which was settled.*
    *note: her job was not behind scenes kitchen help or housekeeping, just happened to be higher visibility locker room

    … Documents filed by Bradley Edwards, an attorney who has represented a number of Epstein accusers, claimed Trump eventually banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.” According to James Patterson’s Filthy Rich, the daughter of a Mar-a-Lago member had been recruited back to Epstein’s mansion, where Epstein asked her to take off her clothes. The girl’s father told Trump about the incident and Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.

    But Trump and M. Largo never reported even that Epstein ‘might have been’ preying on girls. Where is his explanation for that?

    There’ve been some stories about the many people in NY society or at Harvard who associated with Epstein, and comments on how the country as a whole gives the wealthy and whites a pass. In a way, they seem to be suggesting that Trump and Dershowitz be allowed into the same category.

    But I think it’s incriminating that a former friend like Trump, and a lawyer and frequent home visitor like Dershowitz, have AFAIK never defended themselves by saying they spoke of concerns to anyone. Surely Trump had leads and suggestions to contribute, since he was ‘not a fan.’ Yes, Dershowitz was part of the defense in 2008, couldn’t help the prosecution at that time, and participated in attacking victims. But I’d like to know what legal obligations or exceptions (like the crime-fraud exception) may have applied to what he could have done, especially after he stopped being retained. (Has he even said when did he stop working for Epstein?)

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Brachiator:

    Eh, that site, or at least that entry, looks a little shaky. The author got corrected several times after the original post and apparently had to fix his references to “attorney generals” rather than “attorneys general.” I guess I’d be willing to admit the possibility that in certain very narrow legal/​courtroom situations “General [Somebody]” might fly, but that’s it. General usage (heh!)? No way.

    P.S. The most recent example I can remember was a few months ago when big-shot historian and cultural pontificator Jon Meacham (The Soul of America: The Battle for Our Better Angels) sonorously referred to “General Sessions” on Morning Joe. Fingernails on chalkboard.

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    NotMax says:

    @Brachiator
    And then there is the Witchsmeller Pursuivant.

    :)

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    You mean busted now or back in the day? I thought Epstein’s original bullshit plea deal involved a free pass for any and all unnamed co-conspirators.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    There is a good two part documentary on him on either Netflix or Prime. It was done by Susannah Lipscomb who you will find in quite a few British history tv shows as she combines actual intellectual cred with tv presenter looks

    I will see if it’s available on Prime. Thanks.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    I used to know a Victoria Secret model and the number of guys who thought, were pretty sure, she would fall on her back for them at the first suggestion from them, was probably better than 60%. The actual number over the course of about 6yrs was ONE. Who she was dating that entire time.
    Also, I suspect that most women over 15 are aware of crass and crude men.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: I am home now, so I will turn to Emily Post.

    Attorney General

    Letter Address

    The Honorable Full Name

    The Attorney General

    Address

    Salutation

    Dear Mr. / Ms. / Madam Attorney General:

    Spoken Greeting

    Mr. / Ms. / Madam Attorney General

    Mr. / Mrs. / Ms. Last Name

    Formal Introduction

    The Attorney General

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    Aleta says:

    Brian J. Karem @BrianKarem

    My question: Have you ever been to a social function with Jeff Epstein and underage girls. He pointed at the sky, said it was going to rain and walked off.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @TenguPhule:
    If you must use Spanish, use it correctly:

    ¿Por que no los dos?

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    thalarctosMaritimus says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    One tiny detail: ¿Por qué no los dos?

    I have to look it up all the time, because I always forget which meaning has the accent, and which ones don’t.

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