Election 2020 Open Thread: Reluctant Endorsement From Cartoon Super-Villain

And by super-villain, I mean Peter ‘Bathory’ Thiel, not Dave Weigel, who is IMO entirely too Bernie-curious but not a complete waste of skin. This is gonna further irritate the Cosplay Socialists, of course, but if you want an ‘Electability!’ argument…

Or maybe people who have skin in the game prefer actual planning to performative confrontation:

In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.

Sanders also has won over more African Americans than Warren: He earns a greater share of support from black voters than any candidate in the race except for Joe Biden, according to the latest Morning Consult surveys…

It’s not a given that Sanders voters would flock to Warren, or vice versa, if one of them left the race and endorsed the other. In Morning Consult, Reuters-Ipsos and Washington Post-ABC News polls, more Sanders supporters name Biden as their second choice than Warren — and a higher percentage of Warren voters pick Kamala Harris as their No. 2 than Sanders, according to recent surveys…

“If you were looking to buy a rising stock, you would look at future market share and indicators of strong fundamentals,” said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which backs Warren. “Elizabeth Warren has consistently connected on a gut level with black audiences … getting standing ovations after connecting her inspiring plans to her personal story of struggle growing up poor in Oklahoma and being a single mom in Texas.”

Several Democratic operatives said they believe Warren has the ability to expand her base to include black women in particular.

“She impressed 2,000 top women of color activists at [our conference],” said Aimee Allison, founder of She the People. “Elizabeth Warren has deepened, sharpened and made racial justice a grounding component of her policies.”…

Since the BJ commentor pool seems to fit the ‘older, better educated, more feminist, deeply committed to voting’ demographic, guess we corroborate this!

Both Biden and Sanders have been coasting on name recognition and their established fan bases. Warren and Harris, equally, are making new converts with every town hall. And from prior history, Biden will have the decency to strongly support the eventual nominee — even if that nominee is not named ‘Joe Biden’.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    Oh my God, you have to see this Marianne Williamson apology pledge to believe it (she has all the white attendees at her event apologize to the black attendees).

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I think Biden’s health care proposal is better politics, but I am coming to the sad conclusion that Uncle Joe is a combination of 1) clumsy retail politician, 2) arrogant old white guy (his infatuation with the Senate and his long tenure there, his inability to admit just fucking being wrong) 3) an amiable, well-intentioned dunce.

    I find Warren very charismatic and “likable”, her earnest, cheerful wonkiness (baffled by the people who talk about her anger), but my meter for that is wildly out of sync with the electorate at large.

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    rikyrah says:

    Finally got to watching reports on the Epstein bail hearing…
    I’m gonna say it again..
    The movie Taken needs to be changed from the ‘ action’ genre, and now placed in the ‘ documentary’ genre….

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    satby says:

    Don’t know if this will work, but this was happening in South Bend lately. That’s why the constant harping on Pete only appealing to Trumpists annoys me. My friends in South Bend back Pete . And Kamala.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Felanius Kootea:

    Hard pass.

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    germy says:

    E. Jean Carroll Is ‘Exploring’ Legal Action Against Trump After Alleged Rape in Bergdorf Goodman

    E. Jean Carroll is considering pursuing legal action against President Trump, she has told The Daily Beast.

    Carroll recently hit the headlines when she claimed that Trump raped her in Bergdorf Goodman in the mid-’90s.

    The alleged assault occurred long before New York lifted its statute of limitations against rape, but Carroll said she is “thinking about hiring a really smart attorney” to pursue legal action against Trump.

    “I hadn’t thought about pressing charges, but now people are convincing me that it’s smart,” she told The Daily Beast. “If I get a really smart attorney, we might be able to get around [the statute]. I’ll be exploring it.”


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    BR says:

    We’re going to have to get to the phone banks soon everyone about the debt ceiling. It’s going to require a Obamacare-like phone banking effort on our part, so get ready.

    The message is: no short term deal, no hostage taking. We will only accept a long term budget with no funding for a wall, no funding for detention centers, no funding for all the other crazy stuff, etc.

    There are two reasons this matters. But the first is most important — the country is on the verge of recession (I know it doesn’t seem like it, but it is) and the administration needs to be held responsible for it rather than letting Trump blame the Federal Reserve. That means another shutdown, and the public will blame him like last time. The second is that Dems can’t get rolled again.

    I will post this again as the debt ceiling thing heats up, but it’s super important so I hope others are reading this now and start making calls to their reps.

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    germy says:

    Back when Obama was president, drumpf tweeted that the president shouldn’t be allowed to run for reelection if the national budget wasn’t balanced.

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    BR says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Same. I was impressed that Warren was able to do this in WV:


    And then this in New Orleans:


    Her delivery in New Orleans wasn’t Obama-level, but then again who is.

    But still, to be able to connect with those two audiences is something I haven’t seen from her before.

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    Katherine L Eckhouse says:

    @Felanius Kootea: While touching them! So creepy.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    So, with Warren’s rise in the polls, here’s the Wapo, bringing out a story of how she “was on the wrong side of the table,” advising Dow Chemical on how to limit payouts to breast implant plantiffs.

    I have confidence in her, but I dread these kind of stories.

    Kristen Orthman, a spokeswoman for the Warren campaign, said there’s nothing inconsistent about Warren’s corporate legal work and her campaign message. Bankruptcy is a way to address the interests of competing groups, and Warren advocated balancing those interests in an equitable way, Orthman said. In the Dow case, Warren’s role was limited to a period of time in which the interests of the plaintiffs and the companies were aligned because they faced a common goal of presenting an agreement to the bankruptcy court, Orthman said.

    The rest of the article focuses on the “she was supplementing her income by doing legal work” angle that we’ve seen before. We’ll see how this plays out.

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    Barbara says:

    The fact that Sanders voters chose Biden as their second choice leads me to believe that many of his backers are choosing mostly based on name recognition. In the field of Democratic candidates, Sanders and Biden are like polar opposites in most other respects.

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    James E Powell says:

    For these a holes, Warren is dangerous because she has ideas about the economy other than “let rich people do whatever they want and keep the poor people down” and – most dangerous – she knows how to explain them to people who did not go to college.

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    kindness says:

    “Sanders appeals to… less-educated people”. OK. I can see that.
    “Sanders also has won over more African Americans than Warren”. I don’t see the evidence there.
    “It’s not a given that Sanders voters would flock to Warren” See Jill Stein as an example.

    Political conventional wisdom that is and isn’t.

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    cmorenc says:

    Just let’s wind up with a candidate who can win, win, win in 2020 until we’re tired of winning.
    I will vote for Biden.
    I will vote for Harris.
    I will vote for Warren.
    I will even vote for Sanders, should he somehow win the nomination.

    Because the alternative of being too purist-picky will be an absolute abomination (Trump taking 2nd oath of office).

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    Joe Falco says:

    You can judge a candidate by their rogues’ gallery. Warren being the Van Helsing to Thiel’s Nosferatu is an excellent endorsement to me.

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    Chyron HR says:


    Sanders and Biden are like polar opposites in most other respects.

    Perhaps it’s that they’re both different from Harris and Warren in the same way (two ways in the case of Harris).

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    Barbara says:

    @Chyron HR: Yes, that occurred to me too. It’s probably all of the above.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Felanius Kootea: Are we sure she isn’t a wingnut mole sent to discredit the party by embodying the most cringey instincts of its most fringey members?

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    Harbison says:


    Warren did a great job in Kermit.

    The people who believe you should simply write off Appalachia in general and WV in particular are idiots. We need to fight for every single vote.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    I’m old. Where did the “stan” usage come from?

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    germy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Eminem had a song “Stan” a few decades ago about a superfan named Stan.

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    Harbison says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    This line of attack is particularly infuriating because, unlike say, traditional products liability litigation where there are well defined “plaintiffs firms” and “defense firms” and the firms representing Dow do get and deserve at least some side-eye, in the bankruptcy firms and attorneys move freely from the debtor to the creditor side. (Not in the same action, of course.) In the bankruptcy bar – regardless of one’s political bent – there is zero stigma associated with what Warren did.

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    MoCA Ace says:

    It’s not a given that Sanders voters would flock to Warren, or vice versa, if one of them left the race and endorsed the other.

    Silly people… Sanders will never endorse the candidate who steals his God-given right to be President.

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    the Conster says:

    Bernie Sanders fundraising for himself off of the 4 WOC that Trump attacked is about the Bernie-est thing ever. Grifters gotta grift, but even this seems like he hasn’t found the bottom of his shamelessness yet. I find it hard to believe he’s only behind Biden with black support. He keeps whitesplaining racism through the lens of class and apparently has learned NOTHING about what motivated most whites to vote for Trump.

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    Aurona says:

    Fascinating that the #2 person in NH right now is Kamala Harris, nowhere mentioned in this post nor in comments. Anyhoo, Seattleite here, my friends in CA and WA are voting for Harris. True, most of my friends are white women, but still looking for Harris/Castro to drive the train. I cannot abide an all white nominee team, but we certainly have room in cabinet positions for many, including my great governor, Jay Inslee.

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    [Individual 1] mistermix says:

    From what I’ve seen among the youngs that I know, Warren is the most popular. These were all Bernie supporters in ’16. The reason was that Clinton wasn’t liberal enough for them. Warren is liberal enough and also engaging, smart, etc.

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    Kay says:

    Joseph Morton
    Follow Follow @MortonOWH
    On Trump go-back-home statements, @RepDonBacon says they are “unacceptable” and @RepAdrianSmith says he does not agree with them. Nothing from @BenSasse @SenatorFischer or @JeffFortenberry.

    Ben Sasse writes books scolding people on character and behavior. More than one!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Aurona:If it ends up as Warren/Buttigieg, what are you going to do?

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    JDM says:

    Hillary Clinton had plan after plan, policy after policy, on her website, but that didn’t stop our beloved media from going along with claims she didn’t. Warren’s slogan counters that, very effectively IMO.

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    Kay says:

    Maggie Haberman
    Verified account
    1h1 hour ago
    More Maggie Haberman Retweeted S.V. Dáte
    The other thing is midterm cycles aren’t the same as presidential ones. And he doesn’t care if he wins hideously ugly and by only a few thousand votes. Until it’s clear who the Dem nominee is and what shape the economy is in, it won’t be clear whether his perennial tactic works

    NYTimes political team still pulling for their Home Town Hero. They’re all doing “very very well” under Mr. Trump, as Trump himself might say. And that’s before the book contracts!

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    Cacti says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    If it ends up as Warren/Buttigieg, what are you going to do?

    Prepare for 4 more years of Trump.

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    geg6 says:

    @[Individual 1] mistermix:

    I’m seeing the same thing among that cohort around here.

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    geg6 says:


    It’s always projection with these guys. Always.

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    Just a reminder that Peter Thiel believes
    1) That women shouldn’t be allowed to vote
    2) That libertarians should build cities in the sea, presumably on supports like oil drilling platforms, so that they can practice their perfect male form of government.

    I actually sorta agree with the second.

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    Kay says:


    It seems smart to me, too. She made it central so there’s a clear line between “serious” and “nonsense”.

    I just think it’s always better if they just be who they are, and this is what she is.

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    Harbison says:

    Who do you think offers the best chance for winning among the Ds?

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    Cacti says:


    I think Harris is the only one who is sufficiently ruthless.

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    satby says:

    @satby: ok, apologies that link didn’t work except for the last picture. It meant to go to a video.

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    Kay says:


    Right, but they don’t all write books lecturing the public on how we don’t meet the Sasse ethics and character measure. I mean, Jesus. He’s delusional. He’s the biggest fucking fraud in the senate yet he sits down periodically and pens a sermon. That’s a special kind of ego.
    Do you know what he won on? Health care. The non-existent GOP “health care plan” which none of them have done a lick of work on in the last 9 years.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Felanius Kootea: Oh that is so cringe-y. A friend of mine liked Bernie in 2016 and is all in for Marianne Williamson now. She keeps posting about Marianne on Facebook and getting no response at all.

    She’ll settle for Elizabeth Warren though.

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    Peale says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Lutheran – Missouri Synod

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: So you are hoping Thiel and friends build their sea going utopias and drown faster due to global warming?

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    rikyrah says:


    DEMONS 😠 😠

    “A border patrol agent asked a 3-year-old migrant Honduran girl to choose which parent should be sent to Mexico. She started to cry as her father was taken away.”

    I hope you’re enjoying your tax cuts because we’re all going to hell. #thecrueltyisthepointhttps://t.co/9p9JLaLJDJ

    — Sally Albright (@SallyAlbright) July 16, 2019

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    Harbison says:


    That’s exactly where I was 2 months ago. But, I’m starting to think Warren might be viable. She’s clearly better on policy and much smarter than Harris. When the debates get down to only 3 or 4 candidates, I’ll start watching them to see whether Warren can be a knife-fighter. I still have my doubts.

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    @lollipopguild: Let’s just say I wouldn’t stand in their way.

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    kindness says:

    With all due respect to many opinions offered here…..I don’t think Trump wins no matter who the Democrats pick if it’s out of the current top 10. Trump is going to get his 40% because he is the only one noxious enough for trashy Republicans. That won’t drop no matter what. In 2020 Democrats could nominate a vase of flowers and beat Trump because 40% only wins in 3 way races.

    Oops. The secret is out. Look out… we’re going to now get a rich ‘savior’ who will gallantly run as a 3rd party to split the liberal/moderate vote.

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    CindyH says:

    @JDM: I’m sure that was learned from watching coverage of Clinton

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    Barbara says:

    @FelonyGovt: Well, I am glad to heart that she will “settle” for Warren.

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    germy says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Does Thiel still believe transfusions of the blood of young people will keep him young?


    There’s no reliable evidence that an infusion of blood plasma from a young donor will benefit an older person, and there are risks, but Ambrosia Health is selling “young blood” infusions for thousands of dollars anyway. The FDA has taken notice.

    Our billionaire betters know everything about making money, and absolutely nothing about anything else.

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    Peale says:

    @lollipopguild: I’ve actually always wanted them to gather in one place so we can be done with them in one fell swoop, but as long as they remain on land, there’s too many innocents involved. When they wanted to all move to Vermont, or New Hampshire, or Idaho – I mean, I’m not thrilled about Idaho, but why should the current residents be subject to Libertarian rule while we gather our missiles?

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Barbara: Like me, she’s in California so it really won’t matter.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @BR: “but then again who is.” True. If we make him our standard we’re doomed to disappointment. His gifts are exceedingly rare.

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay: Sasse’s whole schtick is about the need for personal virtue, self-reliance and hard work. He probably starts his day putting on blinders and hoping they stay on long enough to keep him from having to confront the hypocrisy that is his entire life.

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    C Stars says:

    I’m leaning toward Warren too. People say she’s unelectable but people said that about Trump, too. We may be done with the era presidential “types.”

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    @germy: I don’t know. That’s another of his weird beliefs. Not the kind of person whose opinion is worth anything to me. Tucker obviously feels otherwise.

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    germy says:

    Elections matter.

    NEW: A senior DOJ official said AG Barr made final call on decision not to move forward in prosecuting Officer Pantaleo in #EricGarner's death, siding with EDNY recommendation over DOJ's own Civil Rights division, which *recommended prosecution.*— Alex Mallin (@alex_mallin) July 16, 2019

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    germy says:

    EXCLUSIVE AND BREAKING: Mark Sanford, SC Republican and former congressman, says he is considering a presidential run against Donald Trump https://t.co/pj9Oltyyve #scpol #politics #2020 #scnews— Caitlin Byrd (@MaryCaitlinByrd) July 16, 2019

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    chris says:

    Site borked. stackpath/cdn is back. See y’all on the other side.

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    germy says:

    I’m an American and frankly I TOO WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO MY COUNTRY
    — Xeni (@xeni) July 15, 2019

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    jonas says:

    @germy: 1. There’s always a tweet. 2. He doesn’t give a shit. Nor do his supporters. It’s Cleek’s Law to the millionth power.

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    MCA1 says:

    @JDM: That’s a really good point. “No, we will be discussing policy and substance during this election. That’s my thing.” People not inclined to listen to an actual policy discussion might be rolling their eyes quickly upon seeing that slogan for the 400th time, but it changes the landscape around her when all of her supporters are wearing buttons proclaiming their love for LEGISLATION.

    FWIW, I think that impulse is why I’d prefer she stay in the Senate, to hopefully become Majority Leader or Whip at some point. The presence of someone, even in the portion of Congress that doesn’t initiate legislation the way the House does, who is constantly focusing everyone on actual policy and real world problems and possible ways to fix them, could go a long way to rebuilding the institution that McTurtle has broken with his nihilistic power grasping. Not that I don’t approve of her as a Presidential candidate or anything, but in my perfect world one of the other contenders wins the White House and she goes back to lead the Senate.

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    BC in Illinois says:


    The blame for Sasse can be spread around.

    Are you denominationally a Lutheran now? I am a “Lutero-Calvinist.” I was raised Missouri Synod Lutheran. I am in love with the Lutheran tradition, but I am a member of a PCA church—Grace Church in Fremont, Neb.

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    smintheus says:

    @Aurona: #2 in a single college poll does not make you #2 in the state. Plus NH primaries are notoriously difficult to poll.

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    bemused says:


    No words for these monstrous creatures.

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    Brachiator says:

    While puttering around the house, I caught the first part of the radio re-broadcast of Meet the Press. Chuck Todd opened with recent poll results and immediately went into the false narrative of “electability” (poll leader Biden) vs “appeal to liberal activism” (Wilmer, Warren, Harris). Todd himself unknowingly admitted that this dichotomy was nonsense when he noted that every matchup of the leading Democrats showed them beating Trump, and that Trump’s numbers didn’t change in any of the matchups. In short, while Democrats can build any number of successful coalitions, Trump has a hard time attracting anybody outside his base.

    Later, one of the hosts of The Black Guy Who Tips podcast nailed an irrefutable observation. He noted that Obama blasted the idea that the country is not ready for a (insert preference here) president by, you know, winning. And Democrats waste time worrying in any way that a white male candidate might be their savior because…

    No white male Democrat can out-white Trump. Just cannot be done.

    So, Democrats need to relax and make maximum use of the advantages they have. And most of all, ignore media framing.

    ETA. Todd interviewed Wilmer and asked his opinion about the supposed tension between AOC and Pelosi. I tuned this out because Wilmer is not a Democrat. The only thing that was interesting about this exchange is that Wilmer does not see himself as leader of the Democratic Party should he win the 2020 election. He has this fantasy that he will be able to turn to his grassroots revolution to get things done. What a useless fraud.

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    smintheus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Why would Warren choose Buttigieg? His corporate friendly centrism has almost no overlap with her policies, and his electoral appeal has remained very narrow.

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    Miss Bianca says:


    What a useless fraud.

    Yeah, some of us have been saying that from the beginning. It’s just gratifying to see that he is being recognized more and more as such.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    The only thing that was interesting about this exchange is that Wilmer does not see himself as leader of the Democratic Party should he win the 2020 election. He has this fantasy that he will be able to turn to his grassroots revolution to get things done. What a useless fraud.

    The last guy I heard say anything like this was Mao. And that didn’t work out real well for anybody.

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    Brachiator says:

    Our new NBC/WSJ poll results are our first hypothetical general-election matchups for the 2020 race:

    Biden 51%, Trump 42%
    Sanders 50%, Trump 43%
    Warren 48%, Trump 43%
    Harris 45%, Trump 44%

    (July 7-9, MOE: +/- 3.5%)

    I think that one of the few polls that I would really like to see would be a deep poll of voters in the swing states. Get down into county level. I don’t know whether there’s any preliminary versions of this. And it would be most useful after the primary season.

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    rikyrah says:


    NEW: A senior DOJ official said AG Barr made final call on decision not to move forward in prosecuting Officer Pantaleo in #EricGarner’s death, siding with EDNY recommendation over DOJ’s own Civil Rights division, which *recommended prosecution.*— Alex Mallin (@alex_mallin) July 16, 2019

    Now, this isn’t Dolt45.
    Barr never met a Black person that he didn’t think didn’t belong in jail….so, the thought that he’d prosecute a wrongful death of a Black person against a cop was inconceivable. Those of us who looked at his record when he was nominated….no shock in the least.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    A propos of nothing, it’s been July 17 for about half an hour, and I am now officially 58 years old.

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    smintheus says:

    @Cacti: Harris likes to talk tough like a film noir cop, but that’s image. What’s the reality? I think of her two ready for the cameras confrontations, with Biden over busing and her “be careful how you answer” exchange with Kavanaugh, and what I see is smoke but no fire because with her the aftermaths were just squibs. She insinuated that she had secret information about Kavanaugh, so what happened to it? We never heard anything more after the cameras stopped rolling in that hearing. And a day or two after her Biden confrontation, Harris decided to walk back her busing stance until it became hard to see what if anything she stands for in that regard.

    I don’t understand why so many of her supporters don’t get that her ‘tough’ persona is performative. She may or may not be much like that in reality, and there’s only so many times she could trot out a putting-Trump-on-the-witness-stand approach in debates before it began to seem a bit strained.

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    japa21 says:

    @smintheus: You do realize that was a state-wide poll, don’t you? It wasn’t a poll of college students.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    A propos of nothing, it’s been July 17 for about half an hour, and I am now officially 58 years old.

    Happy birthday. Officially.

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    C Stars says:

    @rikyrah: The dog whistles are pretty much air raid sirens now, aren’t they?

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    Hildebrand says:

    I serve a black congregation in Detroit (Lutheran – the liberal variant), mostly working class, lots of union folks. It’s Harris or Warren for pretty much all of them (the oldest lean Biden, but are very interested in Harris – they are just waiting to see if she gains momentum). The younger the voter the more they are for Harris. Nobody else is in the discussion – certainly not Bernie.

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    C Stars says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy birthday!

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    Brachiator says:


    She insinuated that she had secret information about Kavanaugh

    Really? When did that happen? I don’t recall seeing anything like that.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Steven Nelson @ stevennelson10
    ‘What’s your ethnicity?’ Kellyanne Conway asks @AndrewFeinberg on the White House driveway, trying to redirect question about Trump’s ‘go back’ tweet on congresswomen

    I think KAC is a horrid but not stupid person. That’s not just horrid, it’s stupid. She’s spinning her horrid wheels.

    Maybe George C is (finally) starting to wonder out loud if his racist wife can be a good mother to his children.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: Feliz cumpleaños, sir. Still, you’re helping to bring the median age of the commentariat down a bit, I surmise.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy birthday Amir!

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    smintheus says:

    @Brachiator: That was the implied point of her “be careful how you answer sir” approach to Kavanaugh’s claim not to have discussed Mueller’s investigation with anybody at Kasowitz’s firm.


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    smintheus says:

    @japa21: It was a poll conducted by a college. They’re a dime a dozen, and rarely sophisticated.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy birthday, youngster!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Happy birthday! 🎊

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Amir Khalid: Congratulations!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Amir Khalid:


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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    As any non-idiot could have pointed out, conservative Jews like Miller and Kushner are only there for as long as they’re useful to the white supremacist cause. The second they stop being useful, they get the exact same treatment as the üntermenschen they so despise.

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    Luc says:

    Interesting opinion by John Blake on CNN:
    Sees a “political civil war” similar to the decades leading up to the actual war.

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    japa21 says:

    @smintheus: Some of the best polling out there is done by colleges, specially local polling, such as statewide or smaller.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t know how conservative Kushner is. I suspect he and Ivanka read all that claptrap about how they’d be moderating powers behind the throne and believed it. And from what I understand real estate developers, which his daddy actually is, did very well in the tax bill, purely by coincidence, I’m sure. And that office down the hall from the Oval one gave him unimagined opportunities to grift his way out of his own incompetence.

    When you make a list of people who are going to be overjoyed when trump finally strokes out on the crapper, I suspect Jared and Melania are neck-and-neck for first place.

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    Kent says:


    I think Harris is the only one who is sufficiently ruthless.

    THIS. The candidate I end up supporting will be the one I judge to be the most ruthless opponent of Trump and who will most ruthelessly root out his legacy root and limb from every branch of the government. I think that is Harris. A Dem president is actually going to have very little ability to really influence the specific details of healthcare as that is a Congressional issue. But a Democratic president can show the leadership to go agency by agency and rip out every damn Trump person, ship them off to a branch office in Adak Alaska, and then repeal every one of their actions bit by bit.

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    Mary G says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy Birthday!

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    TenguPhule says:

    Location of U.S. nuclear weapons in Europe accidentally revealed in report from NATO body

    And there goes my need for coffee this morning.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Amir Khalid: I’d wish you a happy birthday, but its still the 16th on this side of the date line.

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    L85NJGT says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Corbyn in the UK is running a variation on Labour. He put a minority of ideologs in charge of the revolution, accomplished nothing, and are now watching the mushy middle flee for another party.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not an official, but happy birthday! Hope you do something special for yourself today.

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    Chyron HR says:


    Bidenbro or Berniebro?

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    Kent says:


    I think that one of the few polls that I would really like to see would be a deep poll of voters in the swing states. Get down into county level. I don’t know whether there’s any preliminary versions of this. And it would be most useful after the primary season.

    Very unlikely you’ll see that. They can barely get enough responses to generate statistically valid poll numbers at the state-wide level. It would be orders of magnitude more expensive to drill down to the county level and generate valid poll numbers.

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    TenguPhule says:


    The movie Taken needs to be changed from the ‘ action’ genre, and now placed in the ‘ documentary’ genre….

    Sadly, I don’t think any fathers came to save their daughters in time.

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    Bex says:

    @BC in Illinois: I read the article. Sasse is a far right-wing evangelical. The Missouri Synod Lutherans and the Presbyterian Church of America denominations are VERY conservative. The article was from 2016, so apparently he hadn’t gotten into the we’re-being-persecuted idea that the religious right, including the above denominations, are so fond of now.

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    smintheus says:

    @japa21: And some of the worst is done by colleges. What’s the point? Even the best operations will produce an inaccurate poll sometimes, which is why you don’t put much weight on a single poll from any source.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Kellyanne Conway says ignoring congressional subpoena is ‘taking one for the team’

    The brass balls on that crook.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @smintheus: I don’t know that she would. I was asking a hypothetical question of a person who stated that they could not “abide an all white nominee team.”

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    smintheus says:

    @Chyron HR: Neither, but that’s an interesting insight.

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    smintheus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, I see.

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    @smintheus: “Harris likes to talk tough like a film noir cop, but that’s image. … I don’t understand why so many of her supporters don’t get that her ‘tough’ persona is performative.”

    Exactly so. This is a professional skill for prosecutors. In confrontation with wealthy miscreants, she’s blinked at least twice: once with Mnuchin and again with Herbalife. If it’s the parents of truant students, she’s really tough.

    I think she’s got it in the bag. She sounds good, looks good, and doesn’t threaten the rich.

    I still support Warren.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Nah, they should use leaky row boats tied together with vines as their floatation. They’d sink, die, and become fish food-circle of life and all that.

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    Domestic short hair tabby says:

    @Amir Khalid: happy birthday 🎉🎆🎉 !

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @smintheus: I am so happy that I was able to clear that up for you.

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    JPL says:

    @Amir Khalid: So for us on the other side, how’s July 17 shaping up? Happy Birthday!

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    the Conster says:

    @Raven Onthill:

    WTF? Spoken like a true Berner. In the system of oppression known as white male supremacy, there is NOTHING more threatening than a powerful black woman. NOTHING. While Bernie’s out there trying to raise money FOR HIMSELF off the backs of the 4 WOC who are being threatened daily by the president HE HELPED PUT IN OFFICE. Remember, 2 days before the election he tweeted he didn’t believe that the people thinking of voting for Trump were racist or sexist, giving his “or busters” the greenlight to vote for Trump. How’d that work out?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @germy: Thiel found a dogeared paperback of Bug Jack Barron in the basement when he was a kid & thought it was an instruction manual.….

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Brachiator: Wilmer was on Rachel last week and when asked how he would pass anything he replied he would hold rallies in Kentucky until Cocaine Mitch acquiesced.

    Fool or Conman.

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    dnfree says:

    @Peale: Bonus points for correct use of “fell” in “fell swoop”! It means bad or evil, related to “felony”.

    Shakespeare either coined the phrase, or gave it circulation, in Macbeth, 1605:

    MACDUFF: [on hearing that his family and servants have all been killed]

    All my pretty ones?
    Did you say all? O hell-kite! All?
    What, all my pretty chickens and their dam
    At one fell swoop?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Amir Khalid: As they say in Prague, Všechno nejlepší k narozeninám.

    On your side of the dateline my college girlfriend would have just turned seventy .. but she didn’t made it out of the last millennium. RIP.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: You know the drill: por que no los dos?

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    Brachiator says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Wilmer was on Rachel last week and when asked how he would pass anything he replied he would hold rallies in Kentucky until Cocaine Mitch acquiesced.

    Fool or Conman.

    Why not both?

    Wilmer has sat on his ass for years, not building a viable alternative political party or really learning how to effectively work with the Democrats.

    And now he has this fantasy of using the party to launch his presidential ambitions, and then discarding them when he is done. Madness!

    The sad thing is, this nonsense appeals to his base. They think that both parties are irredeemable. They don’t see that reform is possible, so their only hope is grassroots Nirvana.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy birthday, young’un!

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag and best wishes.

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    Me: “I support Warren.”

    @the Conster: “Spoken like a true Berner.”

    (Lots deleted. I don’t want to be criticizing Harris further, since I expect to end up working for her campaign.)

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    smintheus says:

    @japa21: Yeah, that poll with Harris in second place is definitive. Never mind that new CNN poll putting her in fifth place in NH.


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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @FelonyGovt: Oh wow! You know someone in real life who is backing Williamson? I’ve never actually
    met a Williamson supporter. What does your friend say she likes about her?

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @Amir Khalid: Happy birthday!

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    anarchoRex says:

    Or maybe people who have skin in the game prefer actual planning to performative confrontation:

    Are… are you saying that low income people don’t have skin in the game?

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Are… are you saying that low income people don’t have skin in the game?

    Low-income people have skin in the game, but TruTV researcher & DSA baby Natalie Shure — not so much.

    Bad shit comes down, worst Natalie expects to happen in her own personal life is she might have to retreat to her parents’ well-appointed basement.

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    anarchoRex says:

    @Anne Laurie: Ok, that wasn’t clear to me, it read to me as a reference to the split between lower/higher-income people in support for Sanders/Warren respectively

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