Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Congratulations, USWNT

CBS New York, “USWNT World Cup Parade: NYC Readies To Celebrate U.S. Women’s National Team”:

Ticker-Tape Parade Planned For USWNT World Cup Champions Wednesday, July 10, at 9:30 a.m. (EDT)

Roaring crowds of enthusiastic fans are expected to pack Lower Manhattan Wednesday morning to celebrate the World Cup champion U.S. Women’s National Team.

The U.S. woman will be passing through the Canyon of Heroes.

The sidewalk along Broadway is decorated with names of the United States’ greatest athletes.

Fans will gather to celebrate the American women capturing their record fourth World Cup championship with Sunday’s 2-0 win over The Netherlands…

But it’s not all about celebrating for the women on the team. It’s about delivering a message as they fight for equal pay.

“I think that this win changes the conversation [from] ‘do we deserve it’ to OK, how are we actually going to get the action? What are we going to see from FIFA, from U.S. soccer, from the sponsors?” midfielder Kelley O’Hara said.

According to Nielsen ratings and other streaming services, here in the United States, Sunday’s match ranked as one of the highest-rated soccer telecasts in history. It drew bigger ratings than the 2018 men’s World Cup final…

Team co-captain Megan Rapinoe, who won the Golden Ball as best player of the tournament and the Golden Boot as top scorer, spoke out on Good Morning America on Tuesday.

“Go watch your team. Watch the national team. Watch your local club teams. I think that there’s a part in this for everybody to do,” she said…

If you click on the link, there’s instructions on how to livestream the event, “Free access – no sign up.”






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    Baud says:

    It’s nice to have something to cheer about.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    JPL says:

    Anne, Thank you for putting the AD up, because I love it. It’s such a powerful message.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Megan Rapinoe says women’s soccer “can’t do anything more” to prove they deserve equal pay

    Megan, you seem to suffer from a lack of imagination. Have you considered a sex change operation?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Just watched a clip of Maddow’s interview with Rapinoe last night. Maddow’s such a squeeing fan girl — it was cute. ;-)

    Rapinoe is smart and poised and committed. It’ll be interesting to see what she makes of her post-soccer life.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The problem is that, like much in life, “deserve” has nothing to do with it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Exactly. Read an argument yesterday that the women on the best women’s soccer team in the world shouldn’t get paid as much as the mediocre men playing for a mediocre team because the men are playing against teams that are soooo much better than they are while the women are playing against other women who can’t quite measure up to the standard the women are setting.

    …………………………..

    Yeah, that’s what I said.

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    Baud says:

    Megan Rapinoe’s message to Trump: ‘Your message is excluding people’

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    rikyrah says:

    Congresswoman Pressley told Crypt Keeper Conway

    Keep my name out your mouth

    👏👏👏👏

    Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) Tweeted:
    .@KellyannePolls oh hi Distraction Becky. Remember that time your boss tore babies from their mothers’ arms and threw them in cages? Yeah take a seat and keep my name out of your lying mouth. https://t.co/dS8saIssX8 https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1148705150854467585?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Me likey.

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    Baud says:

    Kamala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez team up to reduce recidivism through housing

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    Baud says:

    California First State To Offer Health Benefits To Adult Undocumented Immigrants

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    Baud says:

    Eliminating all student debt, per Sanders’ plan, would increase the wealth gap between white and black households, according to one 2015 study co-authored by left-leaning think tank Demos. (Two economists from Brandeis University who worked on the study co-authored an economic analysis for Warren’s campaign this year.)

    To decrease the racial wealth gap, researchers at Demos have recommended a plan like Warren’s, which eliminates more debt for borrowers who make less.

    But even Warren’s proposal would aid folks who are less likely to struggle with paying back their loans. An analysis of her plan by Adam Looney of the Brookings Institution found that under her proposal, “The bottom 20 percent of borrowers by income get only 4 percent of the savings.”

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    Baud says:

    Two NYT stories this morning.

    Jeffrey Epstein Was a ‘Terrific Guy,’ Donald Trump Once Said. Now He’s ‘Not a Fan.’

    How Is Jeffrey Epstein Connected to Bill Clinton?

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    @Baud: The New York Times is garbage.

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    JPL says:

    Mediaite has a clip of Tucker Carlson ranting about immigration because of Rep. Omar. The women’s soccer team will achieve equal pay before Fox News fires him.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m tempted to see how they pitched these stories, but that would give them two clicks.

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    Baud says:

    Breaking: BuzzFeed News’s Alberto Nardelli obtained a secret recording of talks between a close aide to Italy’s deputy prime minister Matteo Salvini — described by the Russians on the tape as the “European Trump” —  and Russian operatives “to covertly channel tens of millions of dollars of Russian oil money to Salvini’s Lega party.”

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Baud:

    Eliminating all student debt, per Sanders’ plan, would increase the wealth gap between white and black households

    This is what progressive white nationalists call a “win-win”.

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    debbie says:

    Hope there are vociferous cheers of “Fuck Trump!”

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I also see lots of “Women’s soccer makes millions, but men’s soccer makes billions.” FAKE NEWS!

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 🙋!
    And to you all!
    @Baud: agree!
    Was out laying packing paper over my new soil in the front bed as I hadn’t mulched it yet and heavy rain predicted within the hour. Wet packing paper can be great as a mulch substitute, won’t wash away in most rain and water absorbs through it to the soil below. Now I can have ☕.

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    satby says:

    @Chyron HR: yep. Another way Sanders appeals to his base.

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    debbie says:

    NPR is reporting that Barr has changed his mind and now will not recuse himself in the Epstein case. Oh boy. Trump really must have something to hide.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: NYT is determined to incinerate this nation on the altar of “both sides”.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: Me too — that would be brilliant!

    Trump went on an anti-Fox News tear this weekend, and supposedly, it was the spontaneous “Fuck Trump” chant that broke out while a Fox News correspondent was covering US fan reactions to the World Cup in a French tavern that triggered the orange snowflake. Well done, pub-crawling patriots!

    PS: A less selfish despot would have some sympathy for the Fox News roving correspondent. He desperately tried to cover up the chant with inane babbling, but the chanting patriots would not be silenced!

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Well done, pub-crawling patriots!

    Medal of Freedom recipients in the Baud! administration.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I know she’ll get scolded for incivility but I loved it.

    “oh, hi..” Guffaw. Good for her.

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    debbie says:

    These assholes just don’t stop. Anything to suppress voting.

    Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose has told House Democrats that county officials are prepared to successfully administer elections no matter what the day. LaRose’s message is in response to a letter from House member expressing concerns about potentially changing the date of the 2020 Presidential Primary to March 17, St. Patrick’s Day.

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    satby says:

    @debbie: they’re trying to suppress the Irish vote?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Judge blocks justice department’s legal team change in US census cases

    A federal judge in New York ruled the US Department of Justice can’t replace nine lawyers on the legal team arguing the controversial dispute over whether the administration can add a citizenship question to the 2020 census without explaining why it wants to swap out the lawyers.

    The justice department announced this week that it was appointing a new team of lawyers to take over census-related cases, after the supreme court upheld a lower court decision rejecting the commerce department’s stated justification for adding a citizenship question to the census.

    But US district judge Jesse M Furman, who earlier this year ruled against adding the citizenship question, ruled on Tuesday that the justice department provided “no reasons, let alone ‘satisfactory reasons’, for the substitution of counsel”.

    If you haven’t taken the time to read his ruling, it’s well worth it and won’t take long as he eviscerates them in just 3 pages.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The UK Ambassador to the US has resigned.

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    debbie says:

    @satby:

    People around here would rather participate in revelry than in voting.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Who’s the colony now, UK?

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    Baud says:

    @satby:

    They figured people would have to be wasted to vote GOP.

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    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It’s a good order because it holds them accountable but when I found out that the local rule requires they “must” provide reasons I read it differently- as an order that is just insisting they follow the same rules everyone else has to.
    Which in a way is more embarrassing, because they don’t even meet the rock bottom standard of “read the rule and follow it”
    He didn’t even have a chance to reject their reasons. They didn’t provide any, and they “must”. It’s a no brainer for him. Arguably he “must” reject or he’s violating the rule.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Oh, I’m sorry. Trump’s a bully. He’ll take that as permission to go further.

    Once again I am shocked at how weak “institutions” actually are. It doesn’t matter if they appeared strong when they weren’t tested. The “tested” part is the point of having them. There was a rainstorm and our collective roof collapsed. We thought it was hurricane proof, but then it was stressed- not so strong.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Just the drunken vote.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Will anyone care?

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    Kay says:

    James Pindell
    ‏Verified account
    @JamesPindell
    12h12 hours ago
    More
    In March, as Perot battled leukemia, in the last documented political act of his life, he wrote two checks for the legal maximum amount to Trump’s campaign for president, including for the general election next year.

    Yuck. There goes my thinking of him as a delightful eccentric in our history. I want the money I spent on his government contracting business back.

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    rikyrah says:

    Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) Tweeted:
    Given how oral arguments went today in the 5th circuit ACA case, every reporter within earshot of a Senate Republican tomorrow should ask what their plan is should the entire ACA be struck down and 20 million lose coverage. https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1148756480344150016?s=17

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    Which in a way is more embarrassing,

    Yep, I read that as his saying, “No, you aren’t entitled to do whatever the fuck you want, you have to explain yourselves, to me, and if I think your reasons aren’t good enough, guess what? You’re stuck.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    thinking of him as a delightful eccentric

    From the moment he declared his candidacy, I always thought of him as a complete and utter rich, entitled POS.

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    Kay says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    They made it so easy for him. Judges love kicking it on a rule. Okay, almost the entire secret of my success in juvenile court is reading and following the juvenile rules, because no one else does :)

    There’s a weird “publication” rule that involves “posting” I love left over from 1870 or something because it saves money but now everyone knows it so I’m mad. That’s my rule! I discovered it….on the court website, under “local rules”. It took minutes of diligent searching.

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    rikyrah says:

    Racism in every damn thing😠😠

    soulPhoodie (@soulphoodie) Tweeted:
    Black people were denied vanilla ice cream in the Jim Crow south – except on Independence Day | Michael W Twitty https://t.co/QLFI7JkFsn @KosherSoul https://t.co/BAERhsLCDs https://twitter.com/soulphoodie/status/1148225983440457728?s=17

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay: Heh.

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    rikyrah says:

    Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) Tweeted:
    I’m pretty horrified by this quote about Kamala from a Biden ally, “We went out and tried to, best we can — especially with a slick and slippery person — try to pin Kamala Harris down on her own record.”

    WTH? Slick? Slippery?🤦🏾‍♀️

    I call it prepared! https://t.co/AM0YhA64hg https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1148918574746087424?s=17

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Regarding the judge’s order that the DoJ either retain its legal team or explain its reason for swapping out attorneys: does anyone know why the current legal team wants out? Are they simply capable of shame, so Barr scrounged around the bottom of the bin and found a more shameless group, one that was willing to face a judge with a newly contrived rationale to cover the true motive of consolidating white political power?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Just rumors.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: I realize Biden is polling better against Trump than rivals thus far, but the fact that he didn’t see that question coming from Harris is a gigantic red flag, IMO. It was so obvious. Biden handed Harris the Nerf archery set with his dumb remarks and painted a target on his own ass by doubling down. He knew — or should have known! — Harris needed the exact bloc of voters Biden inherited by default via his association with Obama. And he was SURPRISED when she took a shot? WTF?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Combination of the two?
    And trying to stall for more time , while they try and come up with a new lie, using the new lawyers as an excuse😠😠

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: As I said to somebody right after, he thought he could have it both ways. KH was right to call him out on it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    More lawyerly hijinks in a court:

    In a 22-page motion last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter’s (R-CA) lawyer Gregory Vega argued that the campaign finance case against the congressman was undercut by the fact that two prosecutors involved with the case had attended a private La Jolla, California, fundraiser for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in August 2015.

    One conspicuous point Vega failed to mention: He was there too. In fact, he’s given thousands of dollars over the years to Clinton’s campaigns, and tens of thousands to Democratic groups and candidates, the Times of San Diego noted.

    Two prosecutors involved in Hunter’s case “both attended a political fundraiser for candidate Clinton and shortly thereafter both were involved in initiating an investigation of the first Congressman to endorse candidate Trump,” Hunter’s lawyer’s filing last month read. “Those facts alone warranted recusal.”
    …………………….
    In court on Monday, as the Times of San Diego reported, Judge Thomas J. Whelan denied the Hunter team’s request to dismiss the case or order the San Diego U.S. Attorney’s Office’s recusal, saying there was no indication of a conflict of interest.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I don’t think I can tell what’s going on. They did have to do a 180 with the judge, but the judge would not hold that against them- that’s the client. The client is nuts. The client is the United States, but you know who I mean. Judge knows that. They aren’t allowed to lie but they said they were putting forth the client’s assertions and they were, until the client started tweeting.

    Here’s what I think. I think it’s worse than we know inside the Trump Administration and the broader federal government. Trump is incompetent and he hires bad people. THAT SHOWS. It doesn’t show immediately! But it eventually does, and Year Two of nutjob government seems about right for the cracks to show.

    The UK diplomat was right and they all know it. US media know it. Congress knows it. “We” just don’t know how bad it is yet.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Libericks:

    A statesmanlike government Brit
    Said Trump’s an incompetent twit.
    The diplomat’s talk
    Struck some as a shock,
    But most replied, “No F’ing shit.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:
    Nope 😒😒

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    Kay,

    I think that a lot of people know how bad it is. It’s why we are enraged,

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    Immanentize says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    I like to add up the not Biden vote in there polls because he is at his max — high 20s — and he is not gaining voters, he is shedding them. As things shake out, dDlo you think Booker’s voters will go to Biden? In the most recent polls in Iowa — he is third.

    Maybe Ryan’s voters will go to Biden….

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    Tern says:

    Play like a girl, fight like a girl, win like a girl!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: I wonder what it will take to puncture the complacency of a battered, numb electorate — or if that’s even possible anymore. Planes falling out of the sky? A catastrophic failure in the food or drug supply chain that affects millions of people?

    It boggles the mind, what we’ve become used to in this country. I seriously wonder if we (as a people, not here) are even capable of enough shock and outrage to set this right.

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    Baud says:

    @satby:

    Buttigieg would be a perfect replacement for Pence.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I seriously wonder if we (as a people, not here) are even capable of enough shock and outrage to set this right.

    Kamala should wear a tan pant suit to test that.

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    Cameron says:

    @Betty Cracker: Complacency I’m not sure about,but apathy I trip over every day. Maybe that’s because I live in Olde Fart Village,FL.

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    @Betty Cracker: What’s more, he had an easy answer to that question. “I was wrong. I’ve learned since then, and I’m proud of my subsequent record on civil rights. I did A, B, C.” How hard is that for an experienced politician?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud:
    Shrub picked Cheney to reassure voters.
    Obama picked Biden to reassure voters
    Trump picked Pence to get the evangelicals in line.

    If Harris or Warren prevail in the primary, as much as I like Buttigieg’s style; I don’t think he will reassure. But he does seem to have a pretty amazing donor base.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Immanentize: I have no idea. I don’t want Biden to win the nomination, but since he might, I do want to believe he’s smart and capable enough to win the general election. That’s why I find it deeply worrying that he didn’t anticipate Harris’s strategy, was flummoxed onstage and didn’t offer a coherent response for days afterward. Maybe he thought he could coast through this thing? If so, I hope he’ll respond appropriately to this wake-up call…

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    No apologies or shows of weakness allowed! Obama went on a worldwide apology tour!! Must be always certain, even when wrong….

    — Joe Biden’s daily mirror affirmation.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    I agree, but I actually am more worried about his ability to pull it off maybe than you are. But I don’t think he will win the primary. At the best for him, he will be third or fourth in the remaining field when we go to the convention.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: Joe is trying to catch that magical “center of American politics” by attempting to come across as the affable guy who is no threat to anybody, from quietly racist white people on the right to…. well, quietly racist white people on the left.

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    Mikeindublin says:

    Crowd for the parade will no doubt be greater than Trumps inauguration.

    Make sure he knows.

    😀

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    Wapiti says:

    @Baud: It’s almost as if putting tight controls on where campaigns get their money is a matter of national security.

    John Roberts: “Is not”

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize:

    I don’t know about reassurance. I just think he’s the best foil for Pence.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: +1

    “I’ve been in politics a long time, and part of that is you’ve seen me grow as a human being. I’ve changed as the country has changed. I’ve learned and become a better person…” Stuff like that.

    He’s got a long record. It’s obvious that reporters and candidates will ask him about that record – they love nothing more than ‘gotcha’ questions. (I don’t think Kamala’s was a ‘gotcha’.) That he didn’t have a decent answer for her question – after setting it up with his earlier comments about working with unrepentant racists – shows either incompetence on the part of his team, or hubris, or the inability to think on his feet, or the inability to explain how he fits in a changing world. Or all of the above…

    It’s not a good look.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Wapiti: Money wants to be free.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud:
    If Pence is still on the ticket. I really am starting to think he will not be.

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize:

    Right, but Buttigieg would still be his successor.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Immanentize: We know Donnie had cold feet about picking Pence. They’re (seemingly) almost never seen together, so one wonders about their chemistry. But, and it’s a big but, LOLGOP makes a decent case that Pence is President. Donnie plays dictator while Pence pushes horrible RWNJ policies behind the scenes. Since Donnie is letting him do that (or doesn’t care that he’s doing that), why would he dump him in 2020? Who would the moneybag people that Donnie really care about want instead?

    It may not be worth wasting time thinking about. Just vote them out!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: I thought you meant foil for the campaign, debates, etc. I would pay to see that matchup.

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    Immanentize says:

    And about Biden and the debate:
    He really was not the quick witted, affable but deadly senator he was in the past. He really took Paul Ryan apart and well, Palin…. He handled her expertly.

    He just wasn’t there like that at the first debate this time.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Last I saw, he had a lot of black support.

    @Immanentize:

    Obama had a bad first debate against Romney. Too early to draw conclusions.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: I remember that. It looked like hubris, like he couldn’t believe he had to debate the jerk. Which was fair….
    But, maybe because it was not one on one, I didn’t get the same attitude feel from Biden. But as you say, let’s see if he brings his A game next time.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Settle down with your mobile weather lab ad CBSN New York.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Betty Cracker: He’s 76 years old, for heaven’s sake. People at that age are very seldom as sharp as they were 20 years earlier. That’s nothing to be ashamed of, but nor is it in any way a qualification for being POTUS. Joe needs to go home and spend his twilight years with his kids and grandkids like a sensible elderly person.

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    artem1s says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    women are playing against other women who can’t quite measure up to the standard the women are setting.

    so the NY Yankees should all take a pay cut because they play Baltimore, the Tigers and the Mariners 30 or 40 times a season?
    right…

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    rikyrah says:

    @Another Scott:

    ) That he didn’t have a decent answer for her question – after setting it up with his earlier comments about working with unrepentant racists – shows either incompetence on the part of his team, or hubris, or the inability to think on his feet, or the inability to explain how he fits in a changing world.

    This wasn’t even brought up as part of his record.
    HE BROUGHT IT UP.
    HE brings up something like this, and other candidates aren’t supposed to strike back?
    Really? Seriously?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Baud: Yes, though, as far as I can tell, Biden’s black support is mostly strategically driven. They figure (on the basis of the other stuff we’ve all seen) that Biden is the best bet to beat Trump, which is job 1, and his history as Obama’s VP means he’s good enough. It doesn’t have so much to do with Biden as a person, and if someone else can make the case that they’re a better bet to win the general election, they’ll switch (much as in 2008).

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    @Baud:
    If Pence is still on the ticket. I really am starting to think he will not be.

    Who would be the alternative?

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    Baud says:

    Um, so this is Business Insider via Reddit.

    Trump once hosted an exclusive party with Jeffrey Epstein at his Mar-a-Lago estate, a new report says. It was just the 2 of them and ’28 girls.’

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-party-at-mar-a-lago-women-2019-7

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    HRA says:

    No one so far as I have seen has mentioned what Joe Biden said in a recent interview about Kamala Harris and the debate. He knew he would be asked about what he had said. He did not expect it to come from Kamala. He had met and talked to her as a friend of his son, Beau. Personally as I was watching the debate, my thought was why is Joe looking that way, not turning his head towards Kamala and not saying anything?

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    satby says:

    @Baud: I agree. He’s the anti-Pence.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: did you even look at the link?

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    rp says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Exactly. Biden’s support in the African American community is perfectly logical, but there’s no reason to think it’s particularly strong.

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    immanentize says:

    @rikyrah: @satby:
    I thought it was a really great interview/talk with Sharpton. Buttigieg is doing what Biden hasn’t seem able to do — “I’ve grown.”

    I hope now our conversation can be a forward-looking one about racial equality in our time,” Buttigeg said. “Every candidate, especially white candidates, need to find their voices on this issue.

    PS It is such a weird timeline in which the Reverand Sharpton is a thin, well-dressed reasonable elder statesman of the party. I kinda miss the older version, frankly.

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    Immanentize says:

    @HRA: Kamala Kryptonite?
    Which would not be a bad band name.

    ETA Or maybe a song based on Karma Chameleon?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @immanentize: The Tawana Brawley version?

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    rp says:

    @Baud: Amazing how Haberman and the Times subtly downplay that bit of news.

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    @rikyrah: Ivanka? I’m only half kidding. Look at how he put her front and center at the G20

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    Immanentize says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yes. He was righteous and out on a limb fighting injustice. Now Ms. Brawley proved to be a long thin limb…. But I don’t blame the Rev. for that. Look at Charles Stewart in Boston or Susan Smith in South Carolina. White people have been doing (and generally getting away with) that kind of think fo-eh-vah (Think Scottsboro Boys).

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    Immanentize says:

    @rikyrah: I think there are so many alternatives — Mulvaney comes to mind.

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    satby says:

    @immanentize: this is probably my favorite quote from that interview:

    “I stand here aware that Black women are not just the backbone of the Democratic party, but the bone and sinew that is making our democracy whole,” Buttigieg said. “We have seen time and time again, especially in the last couple elections, that when Black women mobilize, outcomes change, and we need some new outcomes in a time like this.”

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I don’t know about that ad…
    Why does she have to be so shrill?*//

    *Ducks and runs.

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    Immanentize says:

    @rp: The old “mile wide but an inch deep.” I was saying that about the death penalty in 1990. Still true today. By which I mean a mile wide is significant.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @rikyrah: Michelle Bachmann if we’re keeping with the Jesusy nutjob theme. :)

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: That young feller is no dummy!

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    chopper says:

    @debbie:

    looks like our body politic has an epstein-barr infection. heyo!

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:

    I know that he was there. I looked at everyone who went to the festival.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    @rikyrah: I think there are so many alternatives — Mulvaney comes to mind.

    I thought you were gonna say Nikki Haley.
    People have pointed out that the signs for 2020 only say TRUMP on them.

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    Immanentize says:

    @mrmoshpotato: I think Trump is sick and tired of the jesus brigade always putting the touch on him.
    Nikki Haley would be a nice, cynical choice.

    Oh Nikki, you’re so fine
    You’re so fine you blow my mind, hey Nikki!
    Hey Nikki!
    So come on and give it to me any way you can
    Any way you wanna do it, I’ll take it like a man
    Oh please, baby, please, don’t leave me in a jam….

    ETA — Rikyrah gets to Haley first!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @satby:

    in the last couple elections

    Welp, he’s lost eemom’s vote.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Immanentize: Dump’s even a dick when it comes to grifting and doesn’t want the competition?

    “I’m the bigliest at grifting!”

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    HRA says:

    @Immanentize:

    Yes, I have noticed Kryptonite being tagged for use in politics in its description online. Personally it reminds me of the comic book collection I had as a child which disappeared when my parents were downsizing the home before we moved from Canada to the US.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: I don’t think Trump will replace Pence, but he’s nuts, so anything is possible. Haley’s actions have mystified me a bit. At first, I thought she bailed on the UN job because she thought the SS Trump was sinking and wanted to distance herself, but she’s sucked up to him nonstop ever since, which doesn’t comport with that theory. I think Haley, like every single other ambitious Republican, knows Trump is an idiot and very much in danger of careening off the rails any minute, but she also knows she can’t distance herself from him and maintain popularity with the party base. So, she’s made the party over country choice, just like Lindsey Graham.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    Steps of City Hall filled with girls with drums. There should be more of this.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    WTF? Assholes flying huge Dump2020 flags at the soccer parade.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Betty Cracker: I don’t know anything (insert joke here) but expect that (1) they all want out because it’s a shit case and no lawyer wants to risk bar discipline for presenting lies to a court, and (2) their political bosses feel that these lawyers won’t have credibility when they present an entirely different rationale while previously uninvolved lawyers might.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Immanentize: I still say here theme song should be Guadalcanal Diary’s “Vista” because they’re almost saying “Kamala” in the lyrics.

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    chopper says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    dang, there go the anger-issues voters.

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    chopper says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    obviously, they’re concerned about keeping politics out of sports, or something

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    plato says:

    From the press? I think you left off ident. He got raw deal from the guy you enable each day.— Matthew Dowd (@matthewjdowd) July 10, 2019

    WHAT are you talking about? Trump threw a fit and made his job impossible.— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) July 10, 2019

    lindsey, the cowardly corrupt asshole, blaming the press to protect the thug in chief.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steve in the ATL: It used to be that I could find out stuff like this from friends at Justice. Not anymore. Career peeps are mouth shut these days, even about very public matters like this.

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    Aleta says:

    https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman
    The 4th Circuit has ordered the dismissal of DC and Maryland’s emoluments clause case against Trump, finding they lack standing

    Judge Niemeyer: “The District and Maryland’s interest in enforcing the Emoluments Clauses is so attenuated and abstract that their prosecution of this case readily provokes the question of whether this action against the President is an appropriate use of the courts”

    NOW: A federal appeals court just handed Trump a big win in the legal fight over whether he’s violating the Constitution (remember the emoluments clauses?) by continuing to profit from his DC hotel — the court found DC and Maryland lacked standing to sue

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @chopper: Yes. That’s easy to see.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Immanentize:

    I remember that. It looked like hubris, like he couldn’t believe he had to debate the jerk. Which was fair….

    My impression at the time was that Obama was just caught unprepared for a debate opponent who would lie so brazenly on national TV about things easily verified.

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    hilts says:

    Congrats to the U.S. Women’s National Team and fuck that goddamn motherfucking lowlife Howard Kurtz for dissing Megan Rapinoe.

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    David Koch says:

    Rapinoe pouring champagne down Allie Long’s throat is the new American flag (photo) 🍾➡ 😋

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    J R in WV says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I wonder what it will take to puncture the complacency of a battered, numb electorate …? A catastrophic failure in the food or drug supply chain that affects millions of people?

    At least hundreds of thousands of Republicans dying from contaminated fast food, uninspected by anyone but the manufacturer. Democrats won’t count.

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    J R in WV says:

    @David Koch:

    Rapinoe pouring champagne down Allie Long’s throat is the new American flag …

    It is a great photo, but I always hate to see good champagne being spilled… and imagine how sticky that will be in 20 or 30 minutes. Love to see the team having great fun, don’t mean to criticize at all, obvously over the top happy with the back to back championships!!

    Not a soccer fan, never understood the game well enough to enjoy it, but so glad for these young women to be so successful~!!~

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @J R in WV: At least 78000 Republicans will have to die from the completely-preventable illnesses from un(der)inspected fast food to beat the morons for whom the 2020 Democratic candidate won’t be pure enough or “I’d vote for a woman, just not her.” or “That person did something I didn’t like 25 years ago, so I’m going to write in my gerbil for President.”

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    David Koch says:

    @J R in WV: @J R in WV: To quote Miley Cyrus – “It’s party in the USA” (photo)

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