Monday Morning Open Thread: Remember the Ladies…

Rep. Chisholm, and Bella Abzug, were my first IRL political heroes when I was in high school. In 1972, she became the first black candidate for a major party’s nomination for President of the United States, and the first woman to run for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, as well as the first ever woman (of any race) to appear in a United States presidential debate.”

It’s not just Black women she inspired / motivated, either! From the NYTimes, “Warren and Harris Rise in Democratic Primary, Challenging Male Front-Runners”

… “I want someone who I know will stand up, that has a backbone,” Ms. Krerowicz said, suggesting that Ms. Warren and Ms. Harris could perhaps form a ticket. “They’re both very, very strong women. I would love to see them together, but I think Elizabeth has the experience.”

In the span of just a few weeks, voters like Ms. Krerowicz have pushed the race into a new, highly uncertain phase, propelling a pair of women toward the top of the Democratic pack at the expense of the onetime front-runners, Mr. Biden and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Neither woman is yet in a position to take control of the race. Mr. Biden and Mr. Sanders retain considerable advantages, most notably the backing they enjoy among working-class voters and their significant financial reserves. Mr. Biden, 76, is still the clear front-runner, and both he and Mr. Sanders, 77, are not likely to see their support simply melt away.

But recent polls, and interviews with voters in the early primary and caucus states over the last week, found that Ms. Harris and Ms. Warren had plainly broken through, drawing on a deep hunger within the Democratic electorate for big ideas and groundbreaking female leadership…

Gonna be another busy week, like it or not; remember the long game, and try to hang on to your sense of humor…






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    Lapassionara says:

    Bella was a force of nature. Shirley was graceful and so smart. This is a good way to get a too early start on my day.

    Sleep, what is it?

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    Ivan X says:

    She came to my college in ’94 to speak, and someone asked her whether it was harder for her as an African American, or as a woman. She said as a woman, no question. She related a story about how one colleage would specifically cough phlegm into his hankerchief whenever he’d walk by until she called him out on it. After hearing that speech I knew we’d elect a black man before any kind of woman. Very inspiring to hear her talk.

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    geg6 says:

    They were my heroes, too, AL. Two inspiring, strong women. Perfect role models for a budding young political junkie.

    @Ivan X:

    I’m so jealous!

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    Baud says:

    Hard to believe the NYT doesn’t take a pot shot at them. Maybe they’re keeping their powder dry.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    Speaking of strong leaders, I wonder if this writer is onto something:

    In politics, you’re losing if you’re playing defense.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Blech.

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    Mary G says:

    I remember how inspiring both of them were to my baby feminist heart.

    I was sure we’d have a woman president by 1980. Still furious about Hillary.

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G:

    Come sit by me. I can’t let it go. I don’t want to let it go.

    Maybe on Inauguration Day.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: The conservative Supremes are going to there past Inauguration Day.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    Good point. I should embrace the rage.

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    Baud says:

    Iran surpasses uranium enrichment limit in first major violation of nuclear deal
    ….
    Trump, speaking to reporters Sunday, said, “Iran better be careful.”

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned that Iran’s decision would “lead to further isolation and sanctions.”

    Pathetic.

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    Baud says:

    First on CNN: Pro-Booker super PAC launches black voter push

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    satby says:

    @Lapassionara: Ha! I woke up at 2 and gave up on sleep at 3. Serves me right for going to bed at 9 pm.
    @OzarkHillbilly: 😘

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    satby says:

    @Baud: it will power me until the day I die.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄 😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @satby:

    We could stop climate change if we could harness it somehow.

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    rikyrah says:

    😠😠😠

    Del Quentin Wilber (@DelWilber) Tweeted:
    BREAKING. New team of DOJ lawyers is taking over census case. No explanation provided https://t.co/AqW13r09o7 https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status/1148019705329967104?s=17

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Heh, 8-9 pm is my usual bedtime and 3:30 is my “normal” wake up. 2 is like my 3rd wake up, roll over, and go back to sleep. If I can’t, I’ll get up at 3 and call it a win because at least I got 5 hours.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 🙋!

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    rikyrah says:

    Indy 🧜🏾‍♀️ (@IndiaAlmighty) Tweeted:
    “Marry your equal. My husband is my teammate and I don’t want no weak players on my team “ – Michelle Obama 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 https://twitter.com/IndiaAlmighty/status/1147704929391390721?s=17

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    NotMax says:

    Whatever remnants there are of tropical storm Barbara supposed to sweep across Maui Monday and Tuesday. Can physically feel the weather changing by the minute since about three hours ago.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: you got that right!

    @OzarkHillbilly: yeah, I seldom sleep longer than 6 hours anyway. Been that way my entire life, even during the notoriously sleepy teen years. I’ll just take a siesta later, or I’m going to be falling asleep at 8 tonight.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: better or worse? Will the storm clear out some heat and humidity?

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    JPL says:

    @satby: I slept until 3:30…wahoo

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    Definitely cooler already; if I had to guess by at least ten or maybe fifteen degrees so far. Wind picked up a lot earlier, has now died down again. Expecting rains and gusty (40 mph) winds come daytime. Nothing to get all bent out of shape over but will result in localized flooding. Surf predicted at 8 – 12 feet. So long as power stays on, I’ll be okey-dokey.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning from Poco and his tribe!

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    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: Rumor has it that the previous lawyers were tired of lying.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: braggart 😉

    @NotMax: cooler and less humid is good, fingers crossed that it weakens to just a rainstorm by the time it goes by.

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    satby says:

    @JPL: they were likely to get censured if they went back with a new story to the same judge.

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    Considering Barbara peaked as a category 4 hurricane a few days ago, it’s all (relatively) good.

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    NotMax says:

    Closed caption follies from yesterday.

    Dialogue: I have sold arms.
    Caption: I have surfed farms.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:
    Morning to Poco and the tribe 🤗😻

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    rikyrah says:

    Mr. Weeks 👑 (@MrWeeks1982) Tweeted:
    Setting Kamala Harris record straight for the liars.

    29% of California priso population is Black. The number of people in prison DECLINED every year that Kamala Harris was Attorney General. Marijuana convictions dropped a massive 21%.

    You can dislike her but stop lying on her. https://twitter.com/MrWeeks1982/status/1147995884040413184?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    I’m gonna put my money on they won’t stop lying about her.

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax:

    Cow-abunga, dude.

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    hueyplong says:

    The disinformation campaign is a sign of Harris’s emergence as a threat to be the next president, so that part is good.

    The rest, of course, is rat fucking business as usual in our time.

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    rikyrah says:

    😠😠😠

    Armando (@armandodkos) Tweeted:
    It’s July 8. The Trump Administration has produced not a single witness or document about the Trump Administration in response to House Dems request and subpoenas.

    The House has filed zero cases to enforce subpoenas against the Trump Administration. https://twitter.com/armandodkos/status/1148181622350602240?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    The House has filed zero cases to enforce subpoenas against the Trump Administration. 

    Huh? I’m pretty sure I read about lawsuits.

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    rikyrah says:

    😂😂😂

    Gautham Rao 🔴🏆 x 6 (@gauthamrao) Tweeted:
    Overheard at Whole Foods, Silver Spring

    Husband: I didn’t know there was a women’s World Cup.

    Wife: say it louder so everyone knows what a dick you are https://twitter.com/gauthamrao/status/1147955631988416512?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    😠😠😠

    Big Boss (@escapedmatrix) Tweeted:
    A white supremacist in Arizona stabbed a 17-year-old kid in the neck and killed him, claiming it was because the kid was listening to “rap music.” The media is running with the “mentally ill” excuse, but this is clearly a hate crime. https://t.co/QKQSDaqrBI https://twitter.com/escapedmatrix/status/1147888532217892864?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    🤔🤔🤔

    Kurt Nice (@KurtNiceHHL) Tweeted:
    AOC produces the results a TV producer would like, Twitter engagement, social media likes etc.

    Nancy Pelosi gets caucus votes in line on major legislative fights.

    But since a lot of y’all like TV show scripts more than politics, it’s easy to see why you think AOC is effective https://twitter.com/KurtNiceHHL/status/1148025598431965184?s=17

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    Baud says:

    The House of Representatives adopted a resolution on June 11 authorizing Rep. Jerrold Nadler, chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary, to go to court to pursue civil enforcement of subpoenas issued to Attorney General William Barr and former White House Counsel Don McGahn. Importantly, however, the measure also makes changes that will increase the power of House committees to pursue enforcement of additional subpoenas.

    The House has also filed suit for Trump’s tax returns and against a private firm for Trump’s accounting records.

    Armando’s tweet may be technically true, but still a ratfuck.

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    debbie says:

    @Lapassionara:

    And both could talk circles around their opponents!

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    rikyrah says:

    Jesse Ferguson (@JesseFFerguson) Tweeted:
    REMINDER

    In 36 hours, Trump’s lawyers are going to court to overturn our health care laws

    …strike down protections for people w/ pre-existing conditions

    …raise premiums & the cost of prescription drugs

    …let insurance companies charge women more than men

    Tell ur friends https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/1147964765102321667?s=17

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    debbie says:

    @JPL:

    Those pesky ethics again!

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    Baud says:

    Britain said on Monday it had contacted Washington to express regret for the leak of confidential memos in which its ambassador described U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration as “dysfunctional” and “inept”.
    ……
    “Contact has been made with the Trump administration, setting out our view that we believe the leak is unacceptable,” Prime Minister Theresa May’s spokesman told reporters. “It is, of course, a matter of regret that this has happened.”

    Trade minister Liam Fox, who is visiting Washington, told BBC radio he would apologize to Trump’s daughter Ivanka, whom he is due to meet.

    Oh, UK. How far you have fallen!

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    rikyrah says:

    👏👏👏👏

    The Hill (@thehill) Tweeted:
    Team USA star Ali Krieger rips Trump: “I refuse to respect a man that warrants no respect” https://t.co/HeKDNiHOuc https://t.co/ss0BEKZelr https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1147484620960796672?s=17

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: “Due process” is for weaklings.

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    debbie says:

    @rikyrah:

    I cannot wait to hear Trump’s defense of this after repeatedly saying pre-existing conditions would continue to be protected. :-/

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Duetsche Bank Begins the Destruction of 18,000 jobs.

    because if they want to take credit for the good, they need to take the blame for the bad.

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    Kay says:

    Frank Figliuzzi
    ‏Verified account
    @FrankFigliuzzi1
    Jul 6
    More
    Replying to @LisaToddSutton @MuellerRepTweet
    Yes, AG Barr oversees the US Attorney’s Office in NY, so it’s possible he could attempt to interfere, though it would be obvious. Also, many years ago, Barr’s father hired Epstein to teach at the private Dalton school, with no college degree.

    This is the craziest story ever. Epstein was assisted and promoted by famous/powerful people since he was 20 years old. Also, why do so many extremely high profile criminals in NYC not get prosecuted? The indictment supposedly charges the trafficking of underage girls run out of Epstein’s luxury NYC residence. How long has that been going on?

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    Baud says:

    I’m not going to pretend to understand Greek politics, but it sounds like the country moved right after the left party steered it out of crisis. But maybe I’m projecting.

    Conservative politician Kyriakos Mitsotakis was sworn in as Greece’s new prime minister on Monday after storming to victory on a pledge to create jobs and lure investment to the crisis-hit nation.
    …..
    Some Greeks said the new government could make the economy work better after the country emerged from the close surveillance of its international lenders last year.
    …..
    But many Greeks are wary after years of recession and crisis. Mitsotakis is inheriting an economy growing at a moderate clip – at 1.3 percent annual pace in the first quarter – and public finances which may fall short of targets agreed with lenders.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Barr should be made an accessory.

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    Kathleen says:

    @satby: Good Morning. I’m so with you. I’ve been thinking how the horror of the baby cages should be credited to the media and Sanders. At least in part. But they own a big part of it.

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    randy khan says:

    @JPL:

    Rumor has it that the previous lawyers were tired of lying.

    Or of being lied to.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Baud: Yes. Suit to obtain financial records.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Nice to see a young kid pull himself up by his own bootstraps.

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    @Baud: I don’t know. I find it amusing that they’re apologizing for the leak, not the memos.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I caught that. Still, apologizing to Ivanka?

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    Another Scott says:

    Good morning.

    One for BillinGlendale and Albatrossity – Goodbye spherical aberration.

    Neato.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @debbie: For a moment, I read “accessory” as having to do with fashion. I temporarily can’t have coffee. I blame that.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    They better go back and interview some of his former Dalton students. “Let’s put him in a school!”

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    @Baud: True. I suppose it’s too much to hope that we’ll ever see Ivanka in an orange jumpsuit.

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    MomSense says:

    @Mary G:

    Same here. I’m livid and it’s a rage that never goes away.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    2018, Wexner leaves the GOP. Shortly thereafter, Epstein investigation re-opened. Wexner is Epstein’s only named client.

    “I just decided I’m no longer a Republican,” said L Brands CEO Leslie H. Wexner, speaking during a panel discussion about civility at Miranova’s Ivory Room billed as a “Columbus Partnership and YPO Leadership Summit.”
    “I’m an independent,” he said. “I won’t support this nonsense in the Republican Party. I’ve been a Republican since college, joined the Young Republican Club at Ohio State.

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    MomSense says:

    @JPL:

    Yup.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Kay: and Donald Barr resigned a year after hiring Epstein.

    Seen on line “Epstein Barr” is a disease.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    I can’t imagine he was in on the shenanigans.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    According to The Atlantic, billionaire activist Tom Steyer is going to announce that he’s running for president as a Democrat tomorrow. Ugh.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    The cherry on the top of that shit sundae is that she was speaking on a panel discussion about civility

    All these never trumpers had no problems with Ryan wanting to restore honor in school children by making them go hungry. They had no problem with Mitt Romney’s plan to make life so horrible for immigrants that they would self-deport. No issues with dog whistling, voter suppression, attacked on women’s reproductive rights, denying poor people access to health care. They just don’t like it when Trump gives their GOP base the same policies minus the cover of civility. And heaven forbid we Democrat’s should call them on their sociopathic ideology. Soooo uncivil.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    So much to say about this. Short version. Mitsotakis is well liked by the top 100 families in Greece. It really comes down to that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Javanka in matching his and hers orange jumpsuits is a dream I have, and some of them do come true.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    The next debate will be even bigger!

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    Immanentize says:

    @rikyrah:

    Marry your equal.

    Geez, I’m glad my wife decided to let that concept slip a bit.

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    debbie says:

    Hell hath no fury like a scorned lover. Trump’s last five tweets last night were directed at Fox News. I can’t wait to see how this turns out.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Quinerly:
    Are you feeling a bit less frustrated today? I worry….

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    @Immanentize: How are you and Immp? Last I heard, your back was out and Immp was having a test ending in “scope” which is never fun.

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    JGabriel says:

    via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Prof. Book Learnin’ @PhD_femme:

    … Warren/Harris/Rapinoe and Rap’s job is just to go to rallies and places & fuck shit up

    To go to *Trump* rallies and fuck shit up.

    Can you imagine those MAGA bullies trying to take on Rapinoe? She’d kick’em right through Trump’s podium, then jump up and shout, “Score!”

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    Immanentize says:

    @rikyrah: Armando is a lawyer. He knows better. The House doesn’t “file cases” regarding subpoena contempt, the DOJ does after a referral from the House. Ya think this DOJ is going to prosecute this administration?

    Meanwhile, the House has several cases in court trying to get the information requested, including Trump’s tax forms.

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    Her Eva Peron tweets from yesterday had me ready to throw my phone into the ocean. She doesn’t know what she doesn’t know. Twitter is not real life. Ugh.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Last I heard, your back was out and Immp was having a test ending in “scope” which is never fun.

    More fun than the ones that end in “scopy”.

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    plato says:

    So the thug needy amin starts off the week by whining about UK amby’s ‘telling it like it is’ ?

    And Theresa May has no more fucks to give to the whiner.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: Ivanka was the only one who got a compliment in the Brit memos. “Not stupid like her brothers.”

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    JGabriel says:

    via rikyrah:

    AOC produces the results a TV producer would like, Twitter engagement, social media likes etc.

    Nancy Pelosi gets caucus votes in line on major legislative fights.

    If we’re going to both engage voters and get shit done, we need both.

    Like it or not, these days campaigns are waged on TV and the internet.

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    MomSense says:

    @MomSense:

    I should have thrown my phone in the ocean for adding apostrophes all the time.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @rikyrah: Pelosi is great at corralling her caucus. Nobody questions that. She can make individual members do things that they know will hurt their individual political careers (e.g., voting for the ACA probably cost several of them their seats). She had a clear leader in President Obama and she got her caucus to follow his lead.

    What IS being questioned is her judgment as the point person, the leading leader, of the opposition party. It may not be fair to saddle her or any Speaker of the House with that role in our age of the near-unitary Executive, and it sure doesn’t help that Schumer is a Grade-A asshole sometimes, but that’s all we have right now.

    It is fair to discuss her leadership and judgment outside of the caucus leadership role, as even some front pagers here have when it comes to impeachment and the underlying moral and Constitutional imperatives.

    She is ineffective as the lead communicator of the opposition party, and that is a critical role in any representative government – sort of the “TV” side of things that you seem to dismiss. Lack of messaging has killed the Democratic Party for decades, so I disagree with your stance on that. Given that her strengths lay elsewhere, I think it would be useful if Speaker Pelosi could find a designated hitter among her caucus stalwarts for that role. Steny sure ain’t it.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Immanentize:

    Ivanka was the only one who got a compliment in the Brit memos. “Not stupid like her brothers.”

    Yes, but does that mean “Not stupid” or “Stupid in a completely different way”?

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    MomSense says:

    @JGabriel:

    Only 22% of US adults are on twitter. 10% of twitter users generate 80% of the content. Twitter isn’t real life but the influence is destructive because of all the pundits and celebs who use it as marketing. Outside of the twitter bubble she doesn’t help, especially in swing districts. Why do you think the media push her so hard as the voice of Democrats? They aren’t trying to help Democrats.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    Thanks for asking. Back stretching has gotten my back to almost normal. I can pick stuff up off the floor again! The Immp’s endoscopy went great but they found a little inflammation in his duodenum. From the antibiotics for his abcess? Worst case — Celiac’s? We’ll know in some number of days. Won’t this shit ever end?

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    Ken says:

    job is just to go to rallies and places & fuck shit up

    I thought that was the President’s job?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Immanentize: more questions than answers. For some reason, my friend saved receipts from the then current wife’s purchases on his debit card for the 3 weeks prior to the poisoning. He was big on record keeping but not to this degree. Purchases on 2/24/2016 by her at the small town Dollar General. That’s the date the pathologist thinks he was heavily dosed with the anti freeze. Children found the debit card info in a folder in his desk. I have bought that windshield wiper stuff at a small town Dollar General. Those stores do have a little aisle devoted to automotive stuff. They are wondering about anti freeze and why their dad would have these receipts/bank info in his desk. with his papers. Thanks for asking. They are hoping the DA calls them back this week.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Baud:

    Good point. I should embrace the rage.

    I don’t want to embrace the rage. I’d much rather not be enraged all the time. But I just can’t let go while conservatives still have power, …

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    @Immanentize: I’m sorry about the inflammation. In my experience, when doctors do a test, they always find something. Then they track it down, which means more tests, which may find more stuff. And eventually they usually decide it’s all nothing, though sometimes they intervene and more create more problems. So I hope it’s just inflammation from the antibiotics.

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    MomSense says:

    @Quinerly:

    Woah. I missed the back story on this but I’m getting the gist of it. I’m so sorry. That sounds horrifying and traumatic for everyone involved. Please take care of yourself.

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    plato says:

    "Over 29 months, Obama added almost 1 million more jobs than Trump." https://t.co/AMDNBGTP8K— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 8, 2019

    The source is Forbes, wingnuts.

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    Quinerly says:

    @MomSense: I basically hijacked the Saturday AM thread with my long winded posts. As usual, the BJ community came through in making me feel better. Denial is a very strong emotion. People had a lot of comforting thoughts. Again, thanks to everyone.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @Baud: In our defence, the apology is for the leak, not the accuracy or otherwise of the information that was leaked. We all know it was true.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: me too! And yes, Doctors looking for something often find something….

    Like Ken Starr?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Chief Oshkosh: Excellent points. I have a ton of respect for Pelosi’s legislative acumen and leadership abilities, but even her biggest fans concede she’s a lousy public speaker, and like it or not, that matters, especially right now. A designated hitter is a good idea. Among the current House leadership, maybe Hakeem Jeffries? I’ve only seen him speak a couple of times, but he seems to be good at it.

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    JGabriel says:

    @JGabriel:

    Like it or not, these days campaigns are waged on TV and the internet.

    @MomSense:

    @JGabriel: Only 22% of US adults are on twitter. 10% of twitter users generate 80% of the content. Twitter isn’t real life …

    Which is why I specified the internet as a whole, not just twitter. More and more people get their news, even TV network news, solely through the internet – twitter is a part of that, but just a part.

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    satby says:

    @Immanentize: celiac is unlikely since it would have greatly affected him in childhood, it’s just the internet disease du jour that everyone is sure they have. Hopefully it will clear up without a lot of intervention. The more we meddle with the gut the worse it gets. They may suggest nothing more than yogurt and probiotics.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: And blame it you should.

    That accessory would be an aggravated fashion felony by my standards.

    Is it wrong that I’m editing my posts for writing quality (well, this one at least) before posting?

    Good morning everyone.

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    mad citizen says:

    @Betty Cracker: Tom Steyer not needed–support the great women running, you bozo. Whatever happened to that Starbucks guy who was “running”?

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    satby says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Good morning!
    I try to edit my posts for both typos and writing quality, but usually fail on one or the other. And I have an unholy affection for parenthetical additions to my main statements.

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    Quinerly says:

    Someone may already posted this. I thought this was a pretty good, straightforward read on questioning Mueller.
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/if-i-had-five-minutes-question-robert-mueller

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    jeffreyw says:

    Nice cup, be a shame anything happened to it. pic.twitter.com/aAglW7dWHN— jeffreyw (@imjeffreyw) July 8, 2019

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    Quinerly says:

    @jeffreyw: 💜

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    satby says:

    @Quinerly: hope that someone on the committee follows that script exactly.

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    cmorenc says:

    @rikyrah:

    A white supremacist in Arizona stabbed a 17-year-old kid in the neck and killed him, claiming it was because the kid was listening to “rap music.” The media is running with the “mentally ill” excuse, but this is clearly a hate crime. https://t.co/QKQSDaqrBI https://twitter.com/escapedmatrix/status/1147888532217892864?s=17

    Both things can be simultaneously true of a criminal perp:
    – mentally ill
    – commits hate crime.

    The hate component can likewise be from compound causes:
    – upbringing and environment which instill racist attitudes;
    – mental illness which malignantly compounds the racism and the hate, and makes the individual more prone to violently acting out.

    It can also be true that the media is capable of muddling their presentation of the story such that the mental illness aspect takes undue precedence. Which, I hope is what you are trying to communicate here, rather than an unrealistically binary perspective that the underlying dynamic behind the crime is 100% hateful racism and 0% mental illness.

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    Spanky says:

    @Quinerly: Which reminds me, has anyone heard from jacy? I don’t think I’ve seen her around here for a while.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Spanky: I don’t recall any comments of late. Also, does anybody know what happened to Corner Stone?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Spanky:

    Did your kitty come back? (I’m going out now and won’t see the answer for a while.)

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    debbie says:

    @satby:

    You write like you speak — conversationally. No crime in that.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Quinerly: I’m so sorry to hear about how your friend died. Dealing with death is hard enough without suspicions surrounding it. I hope you and his family get answers that will bring healing and relief.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @NotMax:

    I have surfed farms

    “Righteous! Righteous!” – Crush (from Finding Nemo)

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    Quinerly says:

    @Kathleen: thank you.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Immanentize: I hope you and Immp get some relief. The medical mill can be frustrating

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    According to The Atlantic, billionaire activist Tom Steyer is going to announce that he’s running for president as a Democrat tomorrow. Ugh.

    He will go nowhere, B.C.

    The Democratic base is not the Republican base.

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    rikyrah says:

    @MomSense:

    All these never trumpers had no problems with Ryan wanting to restore honor in school children by making them go hungry. They had no problem with Mitt Romney’s plan to make life so horrible for immigrants that they would self-deport. No issues with dog whistling, voter suppression, attacked on women’s reproductive rights, denying poor people access to health care. They just don’t like it when Trump gives their GOP base the same policies minus the cover of civility. And heaven forbid we Democrat’s should call them on their sociopathic ideology. Soooo uncivil.

    CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

    Yell it for the bleacher seats.

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    Spanky says:

    @zhena gogolia: Yes, the little asshole showed up on the porch around 0430 on the 5th. He was pretty jumpy with sudden noises for a while, but we’re settled in to our routine.

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    Betty says:

    @Kay: Such a big question, Kay. And Giuliani was a prosecutor on in those hey days. The NYC FBI office was responsible for leaking the last damaging info about Clinton e-mails. Felix Sater was one of their informants. Much Russian influence throughout this saga. There is so much corruption you have to wonder if it will be allowed to surface.

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    @cmorenc:

    It can also be true that the media is capable of muddling their presentation of the story such that the mental illness aspect takes undue precedence. Which, I hope is what you are trying to communicate here

    I will state with confidence that Rikyah is referring to a pattern of the national news to not merely muddle, but obsessively, one-sidedly cover hate crimes by whites from a ‘mental illness’ standpoint. Whether this is deliberate or a function of the reporters’ prejudices, the trend is overwhelming and a known social ill often mentioned here.

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    rikyrah says:

    Epstein first started making money at Bear Stearns, the now-defunct investment bank. He then invested for Wexner.

    It’s exceedingly rare for people to make $1b investing the money of others.

    Bernie Madoff & his wife were worth $126 million at the height of their powers.

    — Virginia Heffernan (@page88) July 8, 2019

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    Quinerly says:

    Interesting piece with link to the back story from June. Bonus shout out to my old undergrad Alma mater.
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article232283702.html

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    CliosFanBoy says:

    @rikyrah: we need both. Remember the old FDR line to some advocates? “I agree with you, now go out there and make me do it.”

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    Kay says:

    @Betty:

    I think the systemic corruption is the whole subtext to Trump and Trumpism.

    Why was Manafort never investigated prior to this? How did Ivanka and the other one, the son, avoid prosecution for fraud when there was a record of them defrauding investors/lenders?

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay:

    Also, why do so many extremely high profile criminals in NYC not get prosecuted? The indictment supposedly charges the trafficking of underage girls run out of Epstein’s luxury NYC residence.

    Consider the sexual predilections of several recent New York attorney generals. Consider the deference shown by Cyrus Vance to wealthy people who is, after all, elected. Seriously, prostitutes don’t count, not even when they are minors. I think every bust involving a man and a prostitute under the age of 18 ought to end up with a charge of statutory rape. That would get their attention.

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    Betty says:

    @Kay: Yes, Kay. It is the only plausible explanation. Too much influence over too many powerful people.It’s downright scary.

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    Obvious Russian Troll says:

    @satby: Celiac can come in later—it’s not all that well understood. I got it as an adult.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty:

    It seems like corruption is finally becoming a political issue too. A lot of Warren’s message is “good government”. Put process in place to thwart corruption before it takes root. That has resonated with D voters.

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    rikyrah says:

    Thread

    Virginia Heffernan (@page88) Tweeted:
    So a dropout who grew up in Coney Island gets a break from Barr’s father, becomes a billionaire somehow, buys massive houses & private planes.

    And though he has pattern of kidnapping kids for sex slavery, & his charity’s deeply sketchy, we’re to believe he made $1b “investing”? https://twitter.com/page88/status/1148096742392553473?s=17

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @rikyrah: There are lots of crawlies under those rocks. Epstein was a “hedge fund” guy supposedly, but his only known client was Wexner. The house in NYC where he brought all those girls is one of the largest, maybe the largest townhouse in Manhattan – 21k sq ft on East 71st. Its prior owner – Wexner. He made his money running, among other things, a chain of stores called Limited. I recall that when my daughters were teens, that’s a place they liked to shop, but I always recall that if I went in there with them, the photos made me feel queasy. Very sexualized photos of barely-pubescent girls blown up to wall-size.

    I wonder how those guys found each other.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jeffrey Epstein Documents Could Expose Powerful Politicians, Businessmen
    Lisette Voytko

    Topline: A federal appeals court Wednesday ordered that 167 documents in a lawsuit that alleges famously well-connected financier Jeffrey Epstein participated in a sex-trafficking ring should be unsealed—and that many of his powerful friends could be named.

    In its 27-page decision, the court cited the public’s right to access the case information outweighed the privacy of certain individuals, “including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well‐known Prime Minister, and other world leaders.”
    Virginia Guiffre (now Roberts) filed the lawsuit against Ghislane Maxwell, alleging that she had used her as part of a sex trafficking network of underage girls to Epstein and a number of his famous friends, including his lawyer Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew. Both men denied the accusations.
    Dershowitz has supported unsealing the documents, according to the Daily Beast.
    The documents will not be immediately available, as anonymous individuals involved in the case have two weeks to file appeals.
    The court advised the documents be read carefully. “We therefore urge the media to exercise restraint in covering potentially defamatory allegations, and we caution the public to read such accounts with discernment,” wrote the court in its decision.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Betty:

    @Kay: Such a big question, Kay. And Giuliani was a prosecutor on in those hey days. The NYC FBI office was responsible for leaking the last damaging info about Clinton e-mails. Felix Sater was one of their informants. Much Russian influence throughout this saga. There is so much corruption you have to wonder if it will be allowed to surface.

    Absolutely so much corruption, through and through

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Wow, I remember The Limited — used to shop there myself back in the day. I had no idea these creeps were mixed up in that chain. You’re right about the photos that used to decorate the store.

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    No mention of Alan Dershowitz?

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    debbie says:

    Local coverage of Wexner/Epstein/others.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I will state with confidence that Rikyah is referring to a pattern of the national news to not merely muddle, but obsessively, one-sidedly cover hate crimes by whites from a ‘mental illness’ standpoint.

    It’s a standing joke (not in the ha ha sense, but, when the phuck is it gonna happen sense), on the Black blogs that I frequent, when we hear about a mass shooting, or a shooting like this….

    ‘ When will they bring up that this LONE WOLF has a MENTAL ILLNESS’

    Cause, it always comes, if you have the protection of complexion.

    So many LONE WOLVES with MENTAL ILLNESS out there………that the MSM also seems unable to find their social media profiles….or family history….

    Yet…with a non-White, or a Muslim…or the undocumented….
    They always seem to find out everything about the entire family….

    I wonder why…..

    Hmmmmmmmmm

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    Another Scott says:

    @Chief Oshkosh: Dunno. I think she does fine in her weekly press briefing (scroll down right column). Trouble is, almost nobody covers it and gets it out to the public.

    Unless it’s something that can be spun into “Democrats in Disarray!”, “Nancy Catfight with AOC!!1”, etc.

    “Washington is wired for Republicans” – Josh Marshall.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: I am happy to see corruption becoming a huge focus. It’s important; it resonates with voters, and we’re in such a target-rich environment! Warren has always made it a central issue. I’m not as familiar with Harris’s work in that regard, but her record as a prosecutor could be useful too.

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    chris says:

    Liam Fox tells @BBCr4today that he is off to Washington DC for #Brexit-related talks with (wait for it) Ivanka. And you thought things couldn't get any worse.— David Head (@DavidHeadViews) 8 July 2019

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    the Conster says:

    @Betty:

    I believe that all of this is mob business, and everyone involved either as perpetrator or prosecutor has either been compromised or threatened.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    Sending positive thoughts for Little Imma
    And healing thoughts for you…

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    @rikyrah:

    that the MSM also seems unable to find their social media profiles

    Lately, I’ve noticed the media does find their social media profiles, looks through page after page of racist screeds, and declares that someone must have taken advantage of this poor, sick young (37 year old) man.

    @Another Scott:

    Trouble is, almost nobody covers it and gets it out to the public.

    This. If Democrats talk about issues, if Democrats make effective, snappy arguments, the national news does not cover it. This goes triple for women. We have gotten perversely lucky that they leaped onto the bandwagon of covering AOC and Warren because they thought those two would be the new Bernies, Democrats* who ratfuck the Democratic Party from the inside. Instead, those two are bringing to the public mainstream Democratic thought that the public normally never hears.

    *They think of Sanders as a Democrat, present him as a Democrat, and the ratfucking Sanders does is for practical purposes from a Democrat.

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    SWMBO says:

    @rikyrah: I have a related question. Chris Christie prosecuted Jared’s dad and put him in prison. I have a sketchy recollection that it was related to a family member ratting him out. Chris Christie did not learn about just this one instance. Who else did he get evidence on? In the big financial shenanigans that he was prosecuting, who else did he find under the rocks?

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    Kathleen says:

    Deleted.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: We’re singing from same song book.

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    rikyrah says:

    @SWMBO:

    Chris Christie did not learn about just this one instance. Who else did he get evidence on? In the big financial shenanigans that he was prosecuting, who else did he find under the rocks?

    interesting question

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    Terry chay says:

    @Betty Cracker: look up L Brands in Wikipedia. it is far more than The Limited (which is how they got their name), off the top of my head it includes Express (in the early 90’s they were Le compagnie international du express or something french sounding), Bath and Body Works, and, most famously, Victorias Secret (they purchased when they were pretty much local to SF).

    Because of their history being involved in Ohio’s largest department store, I think their trajectory out them as one of the largest retail conglomerates in the US (started earlier and grew faster). They probably fell out of people’s mindshare because their recent trajectory follows the death of the mall and the rise of fast fashion.

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    terry chay says:

    also too, Abercrombie & Fitch is L brands I think. Not sure how this jibes with your theory about fetish though. To me, this is probably more along the lines of blackmail and power.

    It’d be interesting to see if Wexner is going down. Like most of these people, his position came inheriting his parents business.

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    debbie says:

    @terry chay:

    I don’t defend him, but his parents didn’t share his vision at first; instead, he started from scratch with a $5,000 loan from his aunt.

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    J R in WV says:

    @the Conster:

    I believe that all of this is mob business, and everyone involved either as perpetrator or prosecutor has either been compromised or threatened.

    Why should we not believe that the Republicans are owned body and soul by the mob? After all, today, the mob is more Russian-owned and -operated than Italian or Sicilian. The Russians took over by being far more violent than the Italians, willing to strike family and friends as well as primary actors.

    And they feel free to spread money around to people who can help them, and once you accept anything more than a drink with dinner, they own you body and soul, and will harm your children or your grandma if you don’t go along with what they want.

    Now, how many Republicans would fight those guys as opposed to just taking money and doing as they are told??

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @Another Scott:

    Dunno. I think she does fine in her weekly press briefing (scroll down right column). Trouble is, almost nobody covers it and gets it out to the public.

    Unless it’s something that can be spun into “Democrats in Disarray!”, “Nancy Catfight with AOC!!1”, etc.

    “Washington is wired for Republicans” – Josh Marshall.

    I appreciate the suggestion and link and I agree the press is wired for Republicans. However, I’m afraid that after viewing a few minutes of several of those briefings, my opinion of Speaker Pelosi’s presentation skills remains mired at “somewhat inadequate to the task at hand” wrt to party leadership. But, that’s why there’s vanilla and chocolate and bazillion other flavors.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Chief Oshkosh: When a party does not have the presidency and does not have an obvious front runner who, barring being struck by lightning, will become the nominee, it is hard to have a consensus spokesperson for the party as a whole. The people who are good at that kind of thing are either running for president or are former presidents (or HRC). Pelosi is doing what she can, but it is not her forte. At the same time, the people who are good with the media and aren’t running for president ate too new or have too limited an area of expertise to be a general spokesperson.

    Who was the Democratic spokesperson in 2003? In 2005? Gingrich is one of the few that has been able to occupy that role, and, oddly enough, he is a Republican.

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