Saturday Morning Open Thread: Goddess Bless America

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    NotMax says:

    Need to pick the hive mind, please.

    The backstory: Would like to get a little something for very elderly Mom. She has an affectation for wearing funky watches – in fact, she has lots of them in a variety of colors and styles and swaps them out probably daily to match mood and her outfit.

    Was looking at this one which caught my eye. Overpriced? Too funky? Ugly or just unusual? Would any of you ladies be seen wearing it? Which color strikes your fancy?

    I realize it’s a run of the mill mechanism inside, but that’s okay. Thanks in advance.

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    JPL says:

    @NotMax: It’s fun.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @NotMax: Like it. Good choice.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: Couldn’t say about anything else, but overpriced? Mind you, I’ve never bought a watch in my life so have no idea about these things but $40 seems reasonable to me.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    Rapinoe’s statement should be CW. What’s extraordinary is that it’s viewed as extraordinary. And oy! the comments. There are just way too many stupid people and stupid bots out there. I try not to despair.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Seems reasonable to me too. That said, my ex had a penchant for watches that retailed for thousands (each), so context matters. 😉

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    Debbie(Aussie) says:

    I think it’s lovely and would happily wear it. Does your Mum have a favourite colour?

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    Quinerly says:

    @NotMax: love it! What color? The red one is very cool. My 90 plus year old mom loved red. Lots of older women really like red, it seems.
    In other news, awake since 12:30. Just gave up on trying to sleep and made French toast from stale croissants with caramelized bananas. Poco thinks I’m nuts. (oh, and I did throw in a few pecans)

    Good morning, everyone. Long day ahead.

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    NotMax says:


    In all honesty, cannot say for sure

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Yeah, I have no idea how much these things can or should cost. I haven’t even worn a watch since I was 12 or 13. I do know I have a hard time getting out of the grocery store for less than $200.

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    raven says:

    @NotMax: After my stroke I picked up an Apple Watch 4. I looked at it for swimming but stayed for the health related function. It also has fall notification that calls for help.

    Apple Watch has powerful sensors that make it the ultimate device for a healthy life. Now with new notifications and the ECG app, it can provide you and your patients with important information concerning their heart health.

    $400 and the battery lasts about 2 days. You also need an iPhone.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Quinerly: You are nuts, that also sounds delicious.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: Good morning! Fun watch, decent price. I like the blue too. Also like the other colors, so doesn’t look like you can go wrong there.

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    satby says:

    @raven: that’s cool, but he’s going for fashion accessory because his mom likes variety.

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    NotMax says:


    And the cell phone she carries for emergencies is (ready for it?) a flip phone.

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    Mary G says:

    I like it.

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    Quinerly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: this might have worked. Food coma seems to be hitting me. Poco approves (I also had sliced ham with the French toast. Morning snack for him)

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Quinerly: Sounds delicious. The addition of pecans sounds perfect. And congratulations (?) on the self-induced food coma.

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    Rivers says:

    @NotMax: elderlyish lady checking in- I think it’s very cute and unusual- I’d go for blue or red depending on her color preferences in general

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    Quinerly says:

    I’ve been struggling for a few weeks with some surreal news. Very close friend passed away at the end of April at 83 after struggling with complete kidney failure and home dialysis. He had been perfectly healthy, a vegetarian who ran marathons until shortly after his 80th birthday. He woke up in severe pain and got to the hospital that February and was diagnosed with renal failure. A very long, long story short, I always have thought his second wife that he married 3 years prior did something to him. I have been unwavering in this feeling and said it to him many times after his hospital release. The marriage completely fell apart about two years after the hospitalization. His health continued to fail. I am convinced she held up the divorce waiting for him to die. Divorce was final in January and as I said he died in April. I pushed his children to get an autopsy. The report came back a few weeks ago… Cause of death was homicide. His kidneys were completely destroyed/shredded from the crystals left from anti freeze poisoning and some brain atrophy attributed to the poisoning as well. Children at the stage of trying to get the authorities/DA to pursue. So many problems.. Three years out from the event. They did tell him in the hospital that he had probably been poisoned but he kept that secret from family and friends. I have spent days going through his medical records. It’s obvious he knew he had been poisoned. Why stay with the wife for two years? Can someone be that much in denial? I don’t know how to feel… He put anyone who visited during those two years at risk, imo. Children, grandchildren, friends. I guess I’m rambling but all so disturbing.

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    JPL says:

    @Quinerly: Yes to answer your question. How is his family dealing with this and are the police involved?

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Quinerly: Oh, my, how very tragic!

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    Quinerly says:

    I’ll add.. I’m friends on FB with a few of you and I suspect Ozark probably knew or knew of my friend. Please don’t make any mention of this publicly for now or on my FB page. Only his close family, a friend, and I know about the autopsy and results. The ex thinks he was immediately cremated. Knows nothing. For now, everyone wants to keep it that way.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    Can someone be that much in denial?

    Speaking only as one who went thru hell in my first marriage up to and including signs of Munchhausen syndrome, denial is a powerful drug. The first step is the hardest, a whole lot of inertia has to be overcome.

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    Baud says:


    Denial is a powerful drug, especially when mixed with inertia.

    Why wouldn’t the authorities pursue a murder?

    ETA: damn you, OH.

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    JR says:

    I’m enjoying some Lakers schadenfreude after the Clippers stealthily put themselves in a position to be a much better team next season. Plus, neither team has any draft picks for like a decade.

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    Quinerly says:

    @JPL: family is devasted. It’s all dawning on them that their dad and grandfather had to know he had been poisoned. It’s all over the medical records and a biopsy was done of a kidney during that 2016 hospitalization. He always told friends and family that the results were inconclusive. It’s in BW that the results from 2016 biopsy were the tell tell crystals. Anti freeze. Only he and the wife living together. He was not a suicidal person. That much anti freeze can only get in you one way. Obviously, the pathologist who did the autopsy sees it correctly. Rough stuff reading your friend’s 8 page autopsy report and seeing BW the word “Homicide.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: :-)

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    Quinerly says:

    @Baud: autopsy report just got to the DA on Tues. I’m not saying the authorities won’t pursue. I just see a lot of problems with this. The time lapse, the fact that he knew and did nothing, the fact that he stayed, some paperwork that he prepared during that 2 year period that he stayed that I can’t go into here, it’s out of state, no family /connections to push it locally there, the ex is back here in Missouri. I just don’t know. I have a sinking feeling. Everything this woman touches dies… Two ex husbands committed suicide after the divorces, an ex boyfriend (who I knew) killed himself several years after dating her. Her son committed suicide about 7 years ago. Like I said, “surreal.”

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    JPL says:

    @Quinerly: What a horrible situation to be in. I’m so sorry.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Quinerly: My god, that’s horrible. I’m so sorry!

    As for why he was in denial, there could be multiple, overlapping reasons. He didn’t want to believe someone he loved, or had once loved, hated him enough to want to kill him. Maybe an element of pride as well: not wanting to look like a fool for marrying someone who only wanted his money and was willing to kill him to get it. Also – you said the poisoning damaged his brain – possibly his reasoning and decision making abilities weren’t what they should be. Impossible to know.

    What an awful situation!

    ETA After reading your latest comment: That woman sounds like a serial killer, a Black Widow. They should re-open her previous spouses/SOs files.

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    Baud says:


    Holy crap. A real black widow.

    ETA: Damn you, CaseyL.

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    Quinerly says:

    @JPL: nothing like what the family is going through. I can’t even imagine. I was just a good friend, his attorney for years, and business partner on a couple of ventures. Something hit me Christmas Eve morning, a feeling… Hopped in the car with Poco and drove the 6 hours to visit. I didn’t feel comfortable about how long the divorce was taking. Wanted to go with him to his atty’s after Christmas to find out what the hold up was. My friend’s health had really been failing. He was living in a state that you couldn’t disinherit a spouse as long as legally married, even if in the middle of a divorce. Fortunately, we got things on track and the divorce went through in January. Last time I saw him. Told him then, yet again, that I thought she did something to him. We were sitting on the sofa. He looked away.

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    Quinerly says:

    @CaseyL: I’ve been working on a basic background search re her. She was upfront about having 2 exes who killed themselves after the divorces. I can only find records of one previous marriage/divorce… The father of her two children. He definitely remarried. Found his obituary. It’s one of those short, awkwardly worded ones, listing nothing about sickness or accident. He was 54 at the time. Five years younger than she is.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Quinerly: I had a friend who was likely killed by a black widow type, years ago. Every once in a while, I find the killer’s name in the news for some scam she is running. With the passage of time, as she ages, she has to change her tactics. Now she is conning old people out of their money. A true psychopath. Your friend’s ex will likely move on to another. I’m so sorry.

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    @Quinerly: Holy cow. It’s hard to believe stuff like that happens in real life.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @NotMax: The blue one is pretty!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Quinerly: Holy SHIT! I sure hope she doesn’t get away with this; it sounds like she’ll keep ruining people’s lives (or literally ending them) until she’s stopped. Sorry about the loss of your friend.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Lapassionara: you are probably right. Has large Irish Catholic family with strong St. Louis ties. Lots of lawyers in the family. I suspect at age 69, she’ll probably stay around here, though. Multiple judgments, bankruptcies, arrests for DWIs/DUIs and stealing.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Lapassionara: Sounds like my ex. The only reason I’m sure she didn’t kill her husband is because she was in prison when he died.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄 😄😄

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    Baud says:


    Good morning.

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    rikyrah says:

    Morning to Poco and the tribe 🤗😻

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    Quinerly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I have said to countless people over the last three years, “She did something to him.” To a point that close friends’ eyes would roll and a guy friend of my friend who just died lectured me, “You can’t go around talking about xxxx like that.” Mostly the male friends liked her and found her entertaining. She’s an ex waitress but no spring chick. Age 62 when my friend married her in 2012. Very odd tidbit in this… He was hospitalized on 2/26/2016 with the acute kidney failure. The pathologist notes in the report that he probably received a huge dose on 2/24 (family and I have a theory.. thru a little research we learned if you want to poison someone with anti freeze, best way to hide it is in red wine. He was a Wine of the Month guy with shipments delivered to the house) Anyway, oddly enough 2/24 is my friend’s son’s birthday… And the death date anniversary of my friend’s long term prior girlfriend. There’s much woven into all this. My friend was so lonely when he tragically lost his long term girlfriend. He was easy pickings for a bad woman to pounce on him.

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    Immanentize says:


    Why wouldn’t the authorities pursue a murder?

    What proof the ex wife did the poisoning? Accident? Someone else? Etc.

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    germy says:

    @Quinerly: frightening that she worked in the food service industry.

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    germy says:

    Since we don’t have cable TV, we sometimes watch weird channels like “Justice Network” that features a show called “Killer Wives” (each week they profile a Black Widow type). She sounds like she’d fit the profile.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Quinerly: I am so sorry. I think it’s important for the family to really sort out what their goals are. You know this — prosecutions can be long and painful affairs so if that is the path you all take, at least be committed to that particular/peculiar truth.

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    rikyrah says:


    Edson (@e_cmch) Tweeted:
    My dad just received a letter saying he could begin the process to try to get my uncle papers. My dad filed the petition 23 years ago. My uncle just passed away. For all the “why don’t you just cross legally” headass people

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Just catching up on the news about the earthquake. Jeez, how scary! Glad no one was killed, and I hope all our Californians are okay.

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    rikyrah says:

    I am so sorry 😪😪 😪
    Of course, you are devastated 😪😪
    Sounds like a case where the police should be asked to get involved

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    After Melania cake, Melania honey and even Melania slippers, the Slovenian home town of the US first lady will now boast a statue of its most famous daughter – albeit one that has faced decidedly mixed reviews.

    The life-size statue on the outskirts of Sevnica was inaugurated on Friday and is the brainchild of the 39-year-old American conceptual artist Brad Downey, who says it’s the first monument anywhere dedicated to the wife of Donald Trump.

    The sculpture was carved into a tree using a chainsaw and depicts Melania Trump in a blue dress and raising her left hand in a waving gesture, emulating a pose she struck at her husband’s 2017 inauguration.

    If you look at the pictures, I think you will agree with me that the artist captured her spirit very well.

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    Kay says:

    stuart stevens

    18h18 hours ago
    More stuart stevens Retweeted Donald J. Trump
    This is a campaign ad. If the FEC means anything, it should be all over this. Other politicians have tried the similar in less obvious ways – like appearing in state lottery ads – and been stopped. If this is legal, every Congressman/Senator should do the same with Fed funds.

    Great question. Can every House member and Senator do this, now? Why not? The President does it.

    stuart stevens
    ‏If you’re a Republican & believe this is okay use of tax dollars & not a campaign ad, be prepared to have your tax dollars go to making slick videos for @AOC and @BernieSanders.

    It’s hilarious in a way. The Trump Administration publicly funds elections- an election- just one- their own. Crony capitalism reaches its natural and inevitable endpoint. It’s anti-competitive. Rather than raise small donor financing in competition with the other campaigns they just take it from the whole public.

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    debbie says:


    Cute watch.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I don’t know what the critics are complaining about it — it’s perfect!

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    debbie says:


    Wow! Your spidey-sense is incredible! Hope she gets what she deserves.

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    Immanentize says:

    It’s missing some certain Melania je ne c’est quoi.…. It just seems a little, well, flat.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Immanentize: you get it.
    Ain’t going to be easy.
    Criminal law was never my thing. My career was spent in collections, business and commercial litigation.
    I just don’t see a prosecutor taking this on. This is small town Arkansas stuff (my friend retired there on a lake, built big house, lots of toys). If my friend owned the large car dealership or bank or big in local church, then maybe. She’s back in St Louis since the divorce. So there’s that. My friend literally is the only evidence at this point. Pathologist feels strongly about the homicide opinion on his part, though. Said he has seen two antifreeze poisoning cases in ever how many years… He does all private autopsies for the state. Said this is the worst he has ever seen, studied, consulted on. Kidneys completely destroyed by the residual crystals. Literally shredded.

    Thanks for weighing in.

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    rikyrah says:

    I can’t imagine how you are feeling. But, you were right. All along. I remember your posts about your friend and your suspicions even then. What a horrible situation for the family.
    Hope she winds up under the jail.😠😠

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    Baud says:


    That will haunt my dreams.

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    Quinerly says:

    @germy: yep. See you picked up on that. Side catering business at some point. Her arrest for stealing was from a restaurant she worked… Stealing food for her catering business.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Heh. From that lefty rag, Forbes: Over 29 months Obama added almost 1 million more jobs than Trump

    Trump entered office on January 20, 2017, and starting with February 2017 he has been President for 29 months. Total job growth during that time has been 5.613 million or 194,000 per month with those results being helped by the tax cut.

    Working back from January 2017, Obama’s last month in office, there had been 6.423 million jobs added or 221,000 per month. The difference for the 29 months is 810,000 more jobs or 27,000 more per month than Trump.

    Note that back in January this year the total difference was only 194,000, which means over the past five months it has increased by 616,000. And looking at the next six months with Obama’s job numbers of 188,000 to 327,000 per month, the gap should only increase and cross 1 million.

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    debbie says:


    If you look at the pictures, I think you will agree with me that the artist captured her spirit very well.

    Only if the woman is the artist who “restored” that fresco in Borja.

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    Baud says:


    That still makes me laugh in the “How the hell did that happen?” sort of way.

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    germy says:

    @Quinerly: Does the pathologist have an opinion about whether this could be successfully tried?

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    germy says:

    @debbie: I was reminded of the same thing.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: you have a very good memory. I posted about him 2 years ago this upcoming September. He stayed here with me for a week. Toughest week of my life but for my parents sicknesses and death. He had a car accident the first full day of the visit. I was up in arms about his driving. His family wouldn’t listen. I was stirred up that it was left on me to take him to get a rental car so he could get back to Arkansas at the end of the week. What a memory you have!

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    Immanentize says:

    My father told me you can never fully understand what goes on in another person’s marriage. He certainly didn’t mean this, but it applies. I’m just sorry you have had to carry this for all these years and your friend, knowing you were right, couldn’t let you know he also knew. For whatever reason he chose to stay quiet, that must have been so hard for him. So many sorrows in this tale.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Immanentize: Is her spirit anything but flat?

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    Quinerly says:

    @germy: not his place. Family called 7/3. Office said at this point out of their hands. At the DA with the medical records for DA’s review.

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    rikyrah says:

    Kim Wexler’s Ponytail (@MadisonKittay) Tweeted:
    Kamala Harris talks about race.


    Pete Buttigeig talks about race.

    White Men of Media: 💞 “He’s so WOKE.” 😍😍😍😍💞


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    Immanentize says:

    You are wise and see far, oh Billy of the Hills.

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    rikyrah says:


    Aki Heikkinen (@akihheikkinen) Tweeted:
    Russian handler of Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Trump Tower Lawyer, Is Dead. Helicopter crash.

    How convenient.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Has anyone seen her in the past 24 hrs?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Immanentize: so many comments on this thread have helped me this morning. Much appreciated. I’m struggling with waves of uncontrollable anger at him. He was a smart man, scientist/mathematician… told over and over that he had been poisoned, yet lied to friends and family that nothing was definitive. For two years, she continued to live there… Friends and famy visiting. A new great grand baby in the picture. How can anyone put so many other people at risk? I have been seething with anger for two weeks. The comments here have helped me some. Thank you, everyone.

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    rikyrah says:

    chris evans (@notcapnamerica) Tweeted:
    Iowa woman on @KamalaHarris: “I think she’s quite frankly the only one who can beat the asshole in the White House”

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah: this looks like an old piece.

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    debbie says:


    I believe it’s the only time in my life that I have actually been aghast.

    ETA: Not even that guy slashing the Mona Lisa shocked me as much as this woman.

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    HinTN says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Agreed about @mpino – she’s spot on. Even if theatre and NYC isn’t your thing, EVERYONE should run, don’t walk, to NYC and take in What the Constitution Means to Me before or closes (not because of lack of interest but because the author and major on stage presence is ready to move on) in August.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @NotMax: I like it. If I wore watches I’d wear that. Even though I don’t wear watches, I might wear that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity

    It’s too much for my blood pressure this morn, but if you have the stomach…

    Time for a nap.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Quinerly: I think it’s because we were more of less schooled to dress in camouflage most of our lives lest we attract attention to ourselves. Finally we cut loose with the bright colors when we’re old enough not to give a damn.

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    JR says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: a wicker man statue for our wicker man times.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Had to go look to see what you’re talking about.

    In 2004 when we were making convention film for President Bush, we were explicitly prohibited from using official White House shot video. Now Trump WH is not only using video but paying for full production. This is probably $500,000 of your tax dollars.

    — stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) July 5, 2019

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:


    My 90 plus year old mom loved red. Lots of older women really like red, it seems.

    There’s a reason the Red Hat Society is a thing.

    Jenny Joseph

    When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
    With a red hat which doesn’t go, and doesn’t suit me.
    And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
    And satin sandals, and say we’ve no money for butter.
    I shall sit down on the pavement when I’m tired
    And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
    And run my stick along the public railings
    And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
    I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
    And pick flowers in other people’s gardens
    And learn to spit.

    You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat
    And eat three pounds of sausages at a go
    Or only bread and pickle for a week
    And hoard pens and pencils and beermats and things in boxes.

    But now we must have clothes that keep us dry
    And pay our rent and not swear in the street
    And set a good example for the children.
    We must have friends to dinner and read the papers.

    But maybe I ought to practise a little now?
    So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
    When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Quinerly: I imagine there was a great deal of the old impulse to avoid a “scandal” involved. I stayed married way longer that I should have – though he wasn’t trying to murder me, just make me crazy – essentially for that reason. Also, you have to bring yourself to believe the unbelievable. Most of us don’t believe we’re the type of people who get murdered.
    Also, past a certain age, you get sensitive about saying things others might think are “crazy”.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Quinerly: Oh my god, I have no words. So sorry to hear about this and I hope she ends up in jail for a long long time.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Really cute. I don’t think it’s overpriced. I’m pretty conservative so probably wouldn’t wear it, but it looks perfect for your mom if she likes “statement” jewelry.

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    Kay says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    If it’s legal (now) Democrats should do it. They have to. They have to compete. The Trump Family rely on other people following the rules they don’t follow- that’s how they get an edge. They cheat. If all campaign finance regulations and rules are now effectively dead letter because they aren’t enforced as to the Trump Administration, then all the other candidates should get the benefit of public financing of their campaigns, too.

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    Scotian says:


    Being a Cassandra really sucks doesn’t it, especially in something like you are dealing with. I understand your anger with your friend, but as others have noted denial is one of the most powerful aspects of/in human nature. You have my well wishes for yourself, and my hope that this black widow gets what she has coming. I am sad that I won’t know myself.

    As to the comfort of the jackels here, they really are wonderful, aren’t they. I know they have been for me these last several weeks as things here get worse and worse. So you take care, and may the loving support you get here help you deal with a truly ugly reality, and the pain such causes.

    Take care and be well.

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    Kay says:

    Klobachur (all of the sitting senators, really, they all have ag sectors) probably holds ag events in Minnesota. Not campaign events, but forums and such as a senator which are distinct and different than their senate campaign events and rigidly partitioned. I know this because it’s the rule and I also know a staffer for Sherrod Brown- senate staff, not campaign staff. Brwon has two sets of people and two sets of rules. One is publicly financed- public business- the other is privately financed- his campaign.
    Is that rule gone? Can Klobachur use those events as campaign ads in Iowa? If she doesn’t does that give Donald Trump an unfair advantage over a competitor?

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @Quinerly: I’m so sorry.

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    Immanentize says:

    I know what Dylan Thomas wanted of his father, but I am hoping for peace and ease in your remaining time.

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    JPL says:

    @Scotian: You are an amazing person and you will be missed. Peace.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: IOKIYR

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    @Scotian: Good to see you, Scotian.

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    mrmoshpotato says:


    Just gave up on trying to sleep and made French toast from stale croissants with caramelized bananas.

    Great reason to give up trying to sleep.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Glad to see you here. We’ve been thinking of you.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Oh, God, that is horrible.

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    Kay says:


    Let’s break all the rules like the mavericky real estate developer and his fake royal family. If rules are for little people let’s be big, super-savvy people. None of the rules matter, right? It’s all hysteria on the part of Democrats. “Everyone knows” this- let’s test it w/someone other than Donald Trump.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Scotian: thanks for your thoughts and words. Been thinking about you.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Scotian: Your generosity in allowing us to share This time with you is overwhelming. Peace and comfort to you.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: LOL. “Where we’re going, we don’t need eyes faces.” – Event Horizon

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @HinTN: *raises hand* Is taking a plane to NYC ok? Not sure I can walk or run there in a month.

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    Emma says:

    @Quinerly: Jesus Lord. You must feel like someone ditched you arse over teakettle into a bad thriller. Surreal and unreal.

    I have met the lesser version of the wife. Not murderous, just self-centered and maliciously destructive. They seem to have the ability to take over some minds. I spent long hours arguing with her daughter about protecting herself but it never took. Horrible to see good people being destroyed.

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    debbie says:


    Though my initial instinct is to hate the universe for your situation, your wise words remind me to instead wish you comfort and peace.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Quinerly: this is awful. is there a personal injury lawyer who might advise on whether a wrongful death case might help uncover some information that the prosecutor could use? My sympathies to you and your friend’s family

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    Scuffletuffle says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: and a tree had to die for that? Ugh!

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    TomatoQueen says:

    What a morning. The joyousness of Stage One (complete with crash) of the Tour de France and the bitter sadness of Quinerly’s friend all at once. Endless beauty and misery. Quinerly no matter how long or what it takes I feel there will be some justice and I am glad this gentleman had you in his life.
    Scotian your eloquence is so moving & I hope love from far away is helpful to you.

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    HRA says:


    It is a fell known very old saying when a person is called a drvo (wood) it is not a complement. My own part of the heritage made me laugh on seeing it.

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    Scuffletuffle says:

    @HRA: Love that…so apt!

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    James E Powell says:


    That article is really complete bullshit. If it weren’t for the tragedy those people have caused for so many, it would be a comedy. The only crisis for those Evangelical leaders would be if their followers stopped sending them money. The only crisis for their followers would be if there were nothing more for them to fear and hate.

    The RW Christians have always been hypocrites and frauds. They promote and protect racism, bigotry, and misogyny. They play the same role that big religions always play: help the rich maintain power.

    And that article makes the case for one thing I’ve always believed: it isn’t so much that they love Trump, it’s that they hate us. When Trump goes, they will all act like it never happened.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Sending you comforting energy. 💎

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Quinerly: Oh, Q, how horrible
    Grotesque, even. Your poor friend. And that woman, dear God. I have no words.

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    Aleta says:

    @Quinerly: I pushed his children to get an autopsy.

    A lot of things went wrong, but you did right, and imo that’s what matters at this moment.

    So sorry for the shock to you and for your grief. My understanding is that (among many other causes of PTSD) it can affect a person who sees something happening that she knows is wrong but she is nonetheless powerless to stop it.

    Impressive part of your story to me: that he could trust in your friendship, and how, I remember, you managed despite distance and all the rest, to do so much to assist him, at every stage of his decline. Your loyalty to a friend moves me deeply.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Miss Bianca: thank you. The only word I seem to be saying over and over is “surreal.” Rollercoaster of emotions.
    On a happier note, if my plans hold, I’ll be doing a big 6-8 week or so drive about come February/March. Probably will get back on my old schedule of Santa Fe, Madrid, Cerrillos as my base. We have to connect! I seem to remember a possibility in Santa Fe in 2018 when I met Cheryl and another Juicer. Are you in CO with NM connections?

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    Quinerly says:

    @Aleta: OK, now you made me cry.
    He was a good man, accomplished man. Not particularly a lonely man. Friends all over the world, well traveled, humble background. Did a some time in Antarctica through a grant with the National Science Foundation when he was in his 60’s. I just don’t know how everything got so off track. How there can be so much denial…. Until very close to the end. Thank you for your kind words. You guys have helped me this AM, early afternoon more than you will ever realize.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    “The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity” is that it’s a morally bankrupt apostate religion founded on systemic racism.

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    Aleta says:

    @Quinerly: One thought is that the psychological effects on a person who is being abused or gaslighted (if this were the case) work against their perceptions and decisions. That kind of abuse happened to a person we thought of as perhaps the smartest, most competent and kindest one among us. I’ve come to think that being abused has less to do with what kind of person the victim is, than we assume. Even when she left after 20+ years, she told me that he was not a danger to me or anyone else. (I believed otherwise.)

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    Quinerly says:

    @Aleta: thank you. You have helped me immensely today.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    “The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity” is that it’s a morally bankrupt apostate religion founded on systemic racism.

    And here I was wondering if I went too far @119 above

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