Open Thread: Report from Ground Zero

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    @Johngcole: Keep dancing, fat man! It’s working!

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    cain says:

    Oh gosh.. looks like Trumpalazoosa is a wash out. So sad, so glad. :D

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    NotMax says:

    The best laid plans of mice and men rats….

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    cain says:

    @Anonymous At Work:
    Haha! Comment of the day.. we have a winner folks!

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    NotMax says:

    Repeating from downstairs.

    Marian Anderson and MLK Jr. up there somewhere, pushing the clouds in.

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    rikyrah says:

    Thank you, Black Mother Nature😊😊🙏🙏

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    StringOnAStick says:

    Heh, I can barely react since I’m drugged to the gills (remaining knee replaced on Tuesday), but this is my first smile since I was made symmetrically bionic. Thank you Mother Nature!

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    MattF says:

    I went to the 4th of July fireworks, some years ago, after it had been drizzling most of the day. We, and everyone watching, got ‘rained’ on with ash and smoke.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Odds on Trump coming to the stage unhinged if/when the rain stops and blaming the Democraps for “raining on his parade”? He has to be pissed.

    That last video was perfect. The corny patriotic music playing in the background (don’t get me wrong, it’s a fine bit of composition, but in this context it’s corny. The Trump effect strikes again) while it’s pouring rain

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: It’ll be scrubbed as Sheldon Adelson’s hoveraround can’t traverse the mud into the VIP area. How much you want to bet the President demands the broadcast and cable networks and PBS preempt coverage tonight so he can read his remarks as an address to the Nation from the Oval Office.

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    Nicole says:

    Oh, this all is such a joy to read. MORE! I NEED MORE! FILL MY VEINS WITH SWEET, SWEET SCHADENFREUDE!

    In other Open Thread news, we went to see the new Spider-Man film this morning. It’s fun. I especially appreciated that Mary Jane is taller than Peter Parker and no effort is made to disguise it.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    The Schaden, she is, how you say? very Freude today!

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    cmorenc says:

    When a big T-storm w/heavy rain and intense close lightning hit the Festival for the Eno this afternoon in Durham, NC, I couldn’t help wishing similar storms would rain on Trump’s parade. Looks like at least one of my wishes this year came true….

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    Martin says:

    Well, despite our morning roller it’s sunny and 75 here in SoCal, enjoying our first 4th with a Democratic Representative. Neighborhood parade this morning was interrupted but not too badly disrupted by the roller. Ribs are getting smoked, plenty of lemonade on hand from our tree, walk down to the elementary school a block away for our fireworks show after dark. Having a great 4th with nary a tank or bomber in sight, as it should be.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Chetan Murthy: I like to say, “Consider my Freude to be thoroughly schadened.”

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Trump Mall event delayed – unclear for how long.

    I don’t care what Lee Trevino said, can someone make sure Trump brings his 1 Iron. Thanks in advance.

    ETA: Not many golfers carry a 1 Iron; one has to be an arrogant fuck to carry the club. Well…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Chetan Murthy:
    This seems worth adding to all the freude.

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    trollhattan says:

    @trollhattan: Moderation?

    I am not moderate.

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    NotMax says:

    @oku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Don’t know why
    All my tanks cannot stay dry
    Stormy weather


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    trollhattan says:

    @The Dangerman:
    The foil hat will help.

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    Wapiti says:

    When I was in the service, there was always an inclement weather plan for parades, changes of command, etc. I’m sure the stable genius and the top men he surrounds himself with have a plan for this. Right?

    If the normal Fourth of July event were rained out, people would laugh or bitch and towel off once they got home. But Donnie the Fool had to make the day about him; so this is all about him.

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    Ryan says:

    Everything Trump touches turned to sh*t.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: You know what you did.

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    chopper says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Wapiti: That there isn’t one tells you everything you need to know about the DOD’s approach to this. Interior technically has the lead. Given Interior is run by a lobbyist, leadership has no idea it needed an inclement weather alternative. And, I’m sure, the DOD didn’t bother to say anything about the need for one.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Punk azz summmabytches😒😒

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    MattF says:

    @Wapiti: And blame Obama.

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    Ken says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    severe weather in the Washington area and low cloud cover

    That reminds me, I saw a comment on BJ earlier about Trump boasting that Russian jets would be overflying the event and taking pictures. Was that real, or just item 1,523 on the list of “well, with anyone else I’d say impossible…”?

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    Baud says:



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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @trollhattan: We have a winner! (of the 7/4/2019 Darrwin Award)

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    Luciamia says:

    Wow, that’s one huuuuuge VIP area.

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    Jay says:

    Omar Navarro, a Proud Boys-aligned politician (running against Maxine Waters) who has attended a rally alongside members of the neo-Nazi Rise Above Movement, has “denounced” the Proud Boys and dropped out of this weekend’s far-right #DemandFreeSpeech rally. Lots of drama here.— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) July 4, 2019

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    Ken says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m sure, the DOD didn’t bother to say anything about the need for one.

    The military equivalent of “working to rule”?

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    Ken says:

    @Luciamia: So spacious… so empty…

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    OGliberal says:

    Went to a 4th parade in pretty red NE Pa. No MAGA hats, to my surprise. Only “attaboy” was for the Dem candidate for DA (incumbent). Only weird shirt was one with “my first amendment rights come before your feelings” that included an AR-15 illustration. (on a man too old, but not old enough, too be wearing a tank top) One can hope?

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    @Ken: It’s probably a misreading of the recent overflights under the Open Skies Treaty. Some of the rightwingers were getting upset that ROOSKI PLANES ARE TAKING PICTURES!

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    “I’ve just signed an Executive Order renumbering all the remaining days of July to the 4th until I get what I want. Enumeration Proclamation! AMERICA demands to hear their FAVORITE PRESIDENT!!!”

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    Should be a Great Speech.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I’d promise to not do it again but we both know that would be a lie.

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    waspuppet says:

    I’m half-convinced Trump’s minions will be rewarded for an entire day or standing in tropical heat and humidity and heavy rain with the announcement that Bloaty McBloatface doesn’t want to ride the mile in the rain because his hair won’t look right. And this “delay” is people telling him that would be a REALLY bad idea.

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    trollhattan says:

    What, they didn’t welcome somebody named Omar Navarro? My shocked face is at the dry cleaners.

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    Old Dan and Little Amn says:

    Vacay in Outer Banks this week. I haven’t seen this much sun since last year. It’s been 95 each day. Holy fuck. My skin has had 9 months of suck in western NY. If it wasn’t for sun block I couldn’t be outside. I crave the shade.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    The military equivalent of “working to rule”?

    I like to call it “malicious compliance.”

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    MattF says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: So, Ross and Bolton are going to catch a bus?

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    lamh36 says:

    SOOO. this fool tried to have a military parade in DC and it’s storming!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.


    Hope it lasts for the rest of the day!

    Join me as I LMBAO

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Thank you, Black Jesus, for raining on the Deplorables today. Amen.

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    Ken says:


    No MAGA hats, to my surprise.

    That’s so last year. Trump announced it’s now KAGA (K for Keep).

    Unfortunately the hats and other swag are still being manufactured in China, and with the tariffs it might be a while before that particular container ship is allowed to leave port.

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    SRW1 says:

    The national German daily FAZ has an article with the title: Ein Feuerwerk und andere Knallkörper Translation: “A Firework and Other Crackers”.

    ‘Knallkörper’ has a colloquial meaning similar to ‘crackpot’, although the more common version is ‘Knalltüte’.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Great. And I had thought there couldn’t possibly be a greater waste of money today. //

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    JPL says:

    @MattF: Wait until you see who the new acting Secretaries are.

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    NotMax says:

    Circus peanuts dissolve in the rain.

    Just sayin’.

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    lamh36 says:

    JUST IN: President Trump’s July 4th event has been delayed according to CNN. Lightning and dangerous weather are entering the area. The estimated time of delay is unknown at this time, but due to a previously scheduled event for the PBS Capitol Fourth, Trump’s may be canceled.
    4:22 PM · Jul 4, 2019 ·

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Carole King won’t stand for that!!!

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    Jay says:

    #Russia's state TV condescendingly describes "our Trump's parade" as "re-election BS" [фигня], hosts & experts mock the lack of intercontinental ballistic missiles, laugh at "old, rusty tanks with peeling paint," conclude that "Trump attempts—but fails—to keep up with Putin." ©️— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) July 4, 2019

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    Martin says:

    @Wapiti: That the most infuriating thing for me. As a govt employee, you soon come to realize that most of your job is making sure really boring shit happens with a reliability that causes everyone to take it for granted. Shit like lead not being in your tap water. Behind the scenes there may a ton of things that need to happen for that reliability, but that’s the job, and administrators don’t discount that a job that from the outside looks trivial from the inside might be complicated as fuck, with contingency plans, and backups and who knows what. How much of that sprung into action this morning when our earthquake hit? Most of it we’ll never know.

    So I look at everything that Trump does and I see the logistical nightmare which must underly it, and then the people he hires and realize – shit, they have no fucking idea what they’re doing.

    “The census was shocking to me,” Trump said. “I figured it would not be expensive to do a census. It’s billions of dollars.”

    No fucking shit it’s billions of dollars! You’re going to print and mail a form to every household in the united states within a fairly narrow period of time, followed by an in person visit potentially to every one of those homes. You’re basically building a one-time use postal service. How is this not obvious to anyone who has spent even 30 minutes working in government? Government isn’t necessarily inefficient – it’s just fucking huge because the country is fucking huge.

    One reason why I shouldn’t be president is that I’d want to email every US resident every morning with a note that itemized all the things government did for them the day before that they didn’t notice. In appreciation of you paying your taxes, we delivered clean drinking water, we provided a road for you to get to work, we have signs and rules that were enforced which made your drive safe, we regulated the sale and composition of gasoline so you weren’t sold cheap shit that would break your car, etc. This would go on for countless pages. And people would get it daily.

    On that list would not be, I fenced in the Lincoln Memorial for a private party with my friends and forgot to plan for rain.

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    dmsilev says:

    @lamh36: All hail Thor.

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    Jay says:


    Stuck in moderation.

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    debbie says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Did he say that before or after he was struck?

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    lamh36 says:

    SMH…I’m too cynical to believe this is a real question from a legit voter.

    My spidey-sense says it was a plant or something…

    · 1h
    Mayor @PeteButtigieg is in Iowa today and got this comment/question from a voter:

    “I have a solution for you, and I’d like you to make a comment on my proposal. Just tell the black people of South Bend to stop committing crime and doing drugs.”

    His response:

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    All comments liberated.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @NotMax: Hush. We don’t say “stormy” in Donald’s hearing!

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    Anotherlurker says:

    I am happy for today’s rain on donnie’s parade. However, I have many friends who are working for the PBS show, Camera Ops. A-2s Production people and others. They are working the real July 4th show. I hope that they all can stay safe and dry.

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    Baud says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    You shall be greeted appropriately.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Veeerrrryyyy innnteresting. (RIP: Arte Johnson)
    I wondered about this- any decent event planner would’ve had a rain date and would’ve invoked it by this morning if not last night. Now I’m wondering if certain people aren’t laughing their asses off right now.

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    leeleeFL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Keepin’ that. I am!

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    Jay says:


    Omar has been getting the Nazi Proud Boys backing for months and was scheduled to be a featured Speaker at the “Freeze Peach” event.

    Apparently an ex of Omars was running with the Nazi Proud Boys who were feeding her coke and passing her around.

    Omar called them on their “degenerate drug fueled life style”, pulled out and they threatened to kill him.

    The Nazi Proud Boys are now calling him a liar and using racial slurs.

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    Martin says:

    @lamh36: Good response by Mayor Pete. Couldn’t help but note he raised almost $25M this quarter and I have a nicer barbecue than he does. That’s not how you win over the white working class.

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    Aleta says:

    pmcgahan @pmcgahan

    Interconnected metal fence continuing into the reflecting pond + lightning in the area = Nothing to worry about, right?

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    Baud says:


    And that’s how the time machine was invented.

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    MattF says:

    @lamh36: Could be a plant. But wingers really are that stupid, so what’s the difference? Also, can’t object to an opportunity to bring up racism, even if it’s contrived.

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    @lamh36: I don’t get the Pete B fan club. He is a boring version of Bill Clinton for the twenty first century.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Old Dan and Little Amn: And here in WNY it’s “only” 90!

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    Aleta says:

    If only the Tps were paying instead of us.
    I’m hoping for gusty updrafts.

    T would rather cancel than make his entrance without simultaneous jets to draw applause. I don’t think he will postpone and preempt PBS, because he can’t delay the air display schedule.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    It’s far from original (can’t recall where I first came across it), but a nice formulation, I think.

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    JPL says:

    @Aleta: Apparently he wants to give his speech.

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    lamh36 says:

    They’ve turned off the Washington Monument webcam that would show crowd size on the National Mall.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @OGliberal: Daughter & family vacationing in a cabin somewhere in rural PA. They attended a parade today & saw very little in the way of political overtones. Just the old fashioned 4th of July stuff. Sent us a nice pic of them with Uncle Sam on stilts.

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    Mike G says:

    NWS has issued a Flood Watch for the greater DC area

    If this were an Obama event the bible-thumpers would be proclaiming, “This proves that God hates you.”

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    MagdaInBlack says:

    Every bit the c-f i expected.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Stormy Daniel’s revenge!

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    Woodrow/Asim says:

    @MattF: I’ve literally had people say “why don’t Blacks Stop Doing X” to me, more than one, for over a decade.

    And I’m a Tall Black Guy.

    There are a ton of people out there, in the real world, and all over this country, who think race issues started when Obama was elected, and that the Rebels had a point.

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    Martin says:

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s nice having young people running for office that can speak to the concerns of young people.

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    SFAW says:


    And that’s how the time machine was invented.

    I thought it was someone put instant coffee in a microwave and went back in time.

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    CaseyL says:

    Just saw the greatest comment on Twitter: “So, you’re saying this is the Republican Fyre Festival.”

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Ken: Satire: Andy Borowitz at the New Yorker.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I’m assuming that the organizers for the real show that was planned months ago have a contingency plan to keep everyone as safe and dry as possible. 🤔

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    NotMax says:


    Trouble with that method is that no matter where you plan to materialize it always ends up being Java.


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    @Martin: Its more like white male people running for the concerns for other white male people.

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    lamh36 says:

    USCP order evacuation of West Front of Capitol before Capitol concert due to severe weather

    From USCP:

    EVACUATE: The West Front of the U.S. Capitol due to severe weather. Follow USCP direction.
    4:20 PM · Jul 4, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I’d be happy to have Bill Clinton back for some peace and prosperity.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I was wondering who the 2020 Republican sacrificial lamb was going to be. At least he’ll be slightly more memorable than her last 6 opponents.

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    Jay says:

    What a Pediatrician Saw Inside a Border Patrol Warehouse

    Dolly Lucio Sevier evaluated dozens of sick children at a facility in South Texas. She found evidence of infection, malnutrition, and psychological trauma.

    JUL 3, 2019

    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but,…….

    Wonder if anybody’s going to explain the fireworks shows to the Concentration Camp kids and adults, and explain it’s not the Military or Drug Gangs coming for them again,……

    Probably not.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I think that’s the event that Anotherlurker’s friends are working at. It’s the one that Trump was trying to draw people away from with his competing craptacular.

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    debbie says:


    I vote “no” on the plant. The Midwest is this stupid.

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    trollhattan says:

    Huh. Well, securing popcorn and rooting for injuries and an asteroid seems in order.

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    NotMax says:


    Wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find some of the RWNJ sites blaming Obama for having slyly switched the labels on the weather machine in the White House basement.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Who will be handling Trump’s umbrella for him?

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    JPL says:

    I guess trump is on his way

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    leeleeFL says:

    @Gelfling 545: Two winners in one thread!

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    lamh36 says:

    @Mnemosyne: right…just another indication of how bad the weather is in the area…and Chump STILL trying to give a speech?

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    Aleta says:

    They imagined uninvited hordes splashing through the reflecting pool, so desperate to be near Trump and his borrowed tank that they’d get their shoes and socks all wet.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    I’ve literally had people say “why don’t Blacks Stop Doing X” to me, more than one, for over a decade.

    As a white guy, I’ve always responded by asking< "Why don't white people stop doing X, Y, and Z?"

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    Steeplejack says:

    C-SPAN is the only channel I can find that is showing the Trump shitshow. Even Fox News is running a “special report” on the situation at the southern border.

    C-SPAN currently showing crowd shots, Pence glad-handing VIPs, etc., over Sousa-esque “patriotic” music. Notice at the bottom: “President Trump speech at Lincoln Memorial live shortly.”

    ETA: Apparently the Sousa-esque music is live, because a song just ended and there was applause.

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    Aleta says:

    @NotMax: Bring Ivanka the heads of Wilbur Ross and Neil Jacobs.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That fuckwit Charles Murray has started doing the same, blaming poor white folk for their (evidently economic (for those with eyes to see)) troubles.

    Once upon a (before-)time I had hoped with this turn of events, poor white folk would join with poor people of color. But yanno, that’s not how it works, and LBJ explained it to us graphically oh-so-many years ago (“he’ll give you his wallet ….”).


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    oatler. says:

    PBS live feed has a closeup-only view of the Lincoln Memorial plus between song chants of “USA! USA!”

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    SFAW says:


    Trouble with that method is that no matter where you plan to materialize it always ends up being Java.

    Not your best work, kiddo.

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    NotMax says:


    “You want gems, go to Africa.”
      – Groucho


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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, national anthem. Here we go.

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    SFAW says:


    Who will be handling Trump’s umbrella for him?

    About the only one that would fit his hands is one from one of those tropical drinks.

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    SFAW says:

    Next you’ll be telling me about shooting an elephant in your pajamas?

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    Steeplejack says:

    Fox has switched over to live coverage. Here comes Trump to the stage.

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    NotMax says:


    “Prepare to deploy Brolly One.”

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    Spanky says:

    Down here between Andrews AFB and the Chesapeake Bay I can hear fighter jets of one sort or another going overhead. Looks like they’re going to get a flyby even if the ceiling is 1000′ feet (my guess which is surely wrong).

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    oatler. says:

    Go Space Force!

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    debbie says:

    From The Guardian’s live blog:

    Trump begins by saying they are here to celebrate the “heroes who defend our country” the servicemen and women of America.

    He is naming the branches of the US military who are there to celebrate the event: “Army, Navy, Air force, Coastguard, Marines and very soon, Space force.”

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    JoeyJoeJoe says:


    I wore an Obama tee shirt to walk around DC in and hopefully piss off his people, and staff at the African American history museum saw me and actually let me skip the line and walk right in. Tickets are hard to get. That was a better time than they were having, hopefully

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    Spanky says:

    @Spanky: And don’t forget, kids, the Washington Monument is 555 feet high.

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    Another Scott says:

    @schrodingers_cat: He’s not clicking with me, either.

    But we shouldn’t discount feeling of progress that an openly gay politician is getting decent financial support for his run for the presidency. It’s a sign of progress, and fairly rapid progress at that.

    Maybe he’ll eventually use his millions to build a stronger Democratic party in Indiana and other red states…


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    lamh36 says:

    BREAKING: The #TrumpBabyBlimp has been moved and reinflated near the WWII Memorial and Reflecting Pool, just a few hundred yards from Trump’s speech at the #LincolnMemorial

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    Spanky says:

    @debbie: Space Force arrives late and tries to slip into its seat unnoticed.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Crowd shots suspiciously tight: 10-15 people across, six-eight rows deep.

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    Jay says:

    Malaysia’s anti-corruption agency has arrested former prime minister Najib Razak’s stepson, a Hollywood producer who counts Martin Scorsese’s The Wolf of Wall Street among his credits.

    Riza Aziz was detained on Thursday but released on bail, according to Malaysia’s Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) chief Latheefa Koya, who said the film producer would face money-laundering charges on Friday.

    News never stops in this stupid timeline,

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    debbie says:


    And shockingly light-skinned. //

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    debbie says:

    He looks like he left some of his hair home.

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    NotMax says:


    And capped for lightning protection with a pyramid of what was at the time one of the most esoteric and most expensive of metals – aluminum.

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    It’s hard to figure out whether his speechwriters are ignorant or sabotaging him.

    “The faraway king would soon learn a timeless lesson about the people of this majestic land: Americans love our freedom, and no one will ever take it away from us.”

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    trollhattan says:

    Echoes of evil across the ocean.

    China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.

    At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way. Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

    Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.

    Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of “centralised care”.

    Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang’s adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.

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    mad citizen says:

    @Martin: Dang Martin, as a 27 year state employee, I say thank you for this. I always think of “G” as the part of our economy in the “C + I + G” equation. It is large, it’s like the biggest company we have.

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    trollhattan says:

    Proof: golf is bad for you.

    Man killed in hit-and-run near Haggin Oaks Golf Complex, Sacramento police say
    July 04, 2019 03:30 PM
    Body discovered at South Lake Tahoe golf course during Fourth of July festivities, police say
    July 04, 2019 03:00 PM

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    Ruckus says:

    Water based glue.

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    debbie says:

    He’s very bobbly-headed tonight.

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    NotMax says:

    @Cheryl Rofer

    Waiting for “Had we not bravely prevailed, we’d all be speaking English.”

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    Spanky says:

    Here comes the flyover.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Steeplejack: Ah, they got some USFL cameramen out of retirement for this.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Oh, good, Daniel Dale is live-tweeting the speech. Earlier there was no word that he would.

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    Mr DAW has Trump’s speech on. I’m here to report that it’s really boring.

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    Chyron HR says:


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    Steeplejack says:


    I think someone from the Ministry of Truth is in the control room.

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    Aleta says:

    I read that fighter jets were supposed to go screaming by as T walked on stage, and that flyovers would continue for an hour. Anything besides AF1 yet?

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    Spanky says:

    @Spanky: Belay that. That was just another orbit.

    I don’t think I’ll be able to tell when they break for the Mall.

    Stealth fighters are loud.

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    oatler. says:

    PBS: don’t pan up to the snipers on the roof.

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    Spanky says:

    I’ve also got a formation of 6 unidentified conventional fighters. Bet we can figure those out.

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    Jay says:

    From a little earlier, part of @codepink’s set-up at the Trump blimp features a mini-balloon in a cage with the caption “cage Trump, not babies.” #BabyTrumpBlimp— Alejandro Alvarez (@aletweetsnews) July 4, 2019

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    chris says:

    Trump just told people he should join the army. Irony dies— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) 4 July 2019

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    Spanky says:

    And this is the weird thing. Looks like a lone fighter up aroind 12-20kft doing slow figure 8s. Don’t need atc with Andrews 12 miles away.

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    NotMax says:


    Supposed to include one of the new helicopters. Not the best conditions for ‘copter flying.

    Trump July 4 flyover to show off experimental new Marine One helicopter

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It is incredibly boring. This speech is a self-avowed tribute to the military, and now it’s clear that Trump is going to go through each service in turn. He just did the Coast Guard, and you could almost hear people starting to snore in the crowd. Tepid applause.

    And Trump is not served well by his speechwriters. When he goes for the lyrical heights, it’s all clichés and clangers. Ugh.

    Now the Air Force. I’m apologizing to the spirit of my dead father.

    At least some of the flyovers are happening. Just had a B-2 stealth bomber and two fighters go over.

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    NotMax says:


    Delays at DCA must be staggering.

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    JPL says:

    @Steeplejack: I wonder what the Fox crowd thinks about it.

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    Jay says:

    Holy crap.So I went to film communist @joey4revolution light a flag on fire in front of the White House.What I didn’t expect was that the flag burst into flames and the Proud Boys showed up. Fighting ensued.Things got violent (tweet 1 of a thread that’ll take some time.)— Ford Fischer (@FordFischer) July 4, 2019

    That’s the Johnson of the Johnson vs. Texas Free Speach win.

    Of course he get’s attacked by the Reich’s “Freeze Peach” Nazis.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, here comes the new Marine One helicopter with two Ospreys. Yee-haw!

    ETA: LOL. C-SPAN cameras focus on the Ospreys because they look cooker. The helicopter is so high up it looks like every other helicopter since Vietnam.

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    @NotMax: I saw one estimate of four hours. There were already weather delays.

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    Ruckus says:

    That’s what a million in flying costs?
    drumpf’s ego is so much bigger than he is. And not in better condition…….

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    Did you know the Continental Army took over the airports?

    Until now, I did not.

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    @JPL: They’re wondering when they get to chant “Lock her up!”

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    Steeplejack says:

    Trump pauses for what he thinks—or the script says—should be great applause lines, and the audience is slow on the uptake. Not as peppy as “Lock her up!”

    Uh-oh. Trump name-checked some (Union) Army victories in the Civil War, and I swear there was a distinct undertone of “Wait, what?” among the MAGAts.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Trump has passed the 45-minute mark. How long, America? How long?

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    @JPL: We backed up the TV to be sure, and that’s what he said.

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    Steeplejack says:


    I’m on C-SPAN, just to be on the safe side. Who knows what kind of subliminal shit Fox intercuts into their broadcasts.

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    NotMax says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor

    Someone at least had the presence of mind to scratch out “When George Washington spoke from these very steps of the Lincoln Memorial.”


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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, Trump is wrapping it up. The band is going to play the “Battle Hymn of the Republic.” He’s asking the military leaders to join him on stage.

    And the Blue Angels are going overhead! Well, maybe. Camera still focused on everyone rigid on stage. Did the Angels miss their cue? Tsk.

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    JPL says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: So are you saying only trump knew… lol

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    Steeplejack says:

    [Director making “stretch it out” signal in control room.]

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    Renie says:

    @Steeplejack: it appears we have a president on drugs who is reciting a 5th grade history report. this is not worth all the tax dollars being spent.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, C-SPAN is now showing some wider crowd shots. Looks like a semi-decent crowd, at least down one side of the reflecting pool. Other side not visible.

    Still no Blue Angels. Singers going into slowed-down live-album version of the “Battle Hymn.” Percussion section being told to get ready for extended drum solo.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    There’s a lot of hullabaloo that the guy with the burning flag deliberately threw it at one of the police officers, but I can’t quite tell from the video if it was malicious or an ohshitit’sonfiregetitawayfrommeNOW! instinct.

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    Steeplejack says:

    And now the Blue Angels! Just a flyby. No reverse-pike, double-secret aerobatics.

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    NotMax says:


    Hey, the speechwriters labored almost a whole half hour copying from Wikipedia.

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    sdhays says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: He didn’t actually say that, did he?

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    Steeplejack says:

    Oh, shit. Some plummy-voiced bastard is singing “God Bless the USA.”

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @CaseyL: “Republican Fyre Festival” is a great way to label the entire government whenever it’s under Republican conteol.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Some other sexy plane just flew over, and the cameras missed all of it except a brief glimpse. MiniTru guy in the control room checking to make sure his Luger has a round chambered.

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    NotMax says:


    “And now, if you’ll all turn in your souvenir hymnbook to Let the Eagle Soar….

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    low-tech cyclist says:


    No fucking shit it’s billions of dollars! You’re going to print and mail a form to every household in the united states within a fairly narrow period of time, followed by an in person visit potentially to every one of those homes. You’re basically building a one-time use postal service. How is this not obvious to anyone who has spent even 30 minutes working in government? Government isn’t necessarily inefficient – it’s just fucking huge because the country is fucking huge.

    As a fellow government employee, I enthusiastically applaud this righteous rant.

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    Josie says:


    I am so loving your on the scene reporting. Even better that Daniel Dale’s live tweeting of the speech.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Trump and Melania leaving the stage, with pauses to wave and glad-hand.

    Band is finishing with that classic: “Be kind to our web-footed friends / for a duck may be somebody’s mother.”

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    JPL says:

    Has he left yet to return to the WH where he can make his phone calls and tweet uninterrupted. Hate must rule the day.

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    Jay says:


    All American Flags are made in China now. They’re not safe to burn. Cheap nylon, no retardant.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Piccolo solo! Rock on! No lighters or cell-phone lighter apps or being held up in the crowd.

    C-SPAN abruptly stops coverage. Unsettling when the director is dragged out of the control room, never to be seen again.

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    JPL says:

    @Steeplejack: So that would be a yes to my comment below yours.

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    Steeplejack says:

    I need a drink. A big drink. Even the housecat needs a drink. But she bravely stayed at her workstation through the whole ordeal.

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    Josie says:

    @Josie: “better than” Aaargh. FYWP won’t let me edit……..again.

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    Spanky says:

    @Steeplejack: That’s supposed to be during the fireworks!


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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Some day soon one or more of these Proud Boy morons are going to find out that old west saying is true that, “God created men and Sam Colt made them equal!”.

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    NotMax says:


    Say what now? Annin still in business.

    (Factory where G. H. W. Bush staged a photo op, which even he later admitted was a step too far.)

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    Steeplejack says:

    Fox pundit: “This was a paean to America.” Pronounced “peon.”

    They’re getting to work on spackling and repainting Trump’s performance.

    I’m off to cleanse myself with My Lottery Dream Home.

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    Jay says:


    To be executed by anti-aircraft guns?

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    Ruckus says:

    It’s not worth a bucket of warm spit. But then consider the source of all that wealth of……
    What does one call the craptactular words that struggle to get free from him?

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    Jay says:

    Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Books-A-Million and Walmart sold copies of Hitler's autobiographical manifesto for $14.88 and described the book as a guide for “what we must do if we want to survive as a people and as a Race.”— Jessica Schulberg (@jessicaschulb) July 2, 2019

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    NotMax says:


    Or “pee on.”


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    @sdhays: I think he did. As I say, we listened twice. We could have misinterpreted.

    ETA: When he’s reading a speech like that, I’m not sure he even knows what he’s saying because he’s concentrating so hard.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Annin doesn’t do retail sales.

    More to the point, I think people intent on burning the flag to make a political point would probably go for the cheapest option, which would be a polyester or nylon version from China. And that shit is WAY more flammable than most people realize.

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    Steeplejack says:


    I got a little carried away. Like when you pass an awful car wreck and can’t not look.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


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    Gravenstone says:

    @oatler.: Do they by chance have a shot of the poor schlubs at the corners holding up the cue cards to lead those chants? Because that would not surprise me in the slightest.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Daniel Dale and a bunch of his commenters confirmed it. They think he was trying to say either “ports” or “ramparts.”

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    Mnemosyne says:


    That’s what happens when your catalog is automated and not QC’ed by a human.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    I thought he only concentrated that hard when sitting on the golden throne with his pants down. Or is he so far gone he forgets to drop trou before…..

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    @Mnemosyne: You can hear it in the clip in this tweet.

    It goes on like this.— Claude Taylor (@TrueFactsStated) July 4, 2019

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    Aleta says:

    @Steeplejack: Whew. Tough job, thx for the help getting through it.

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    NotMax says:


    And the airports’ red glare
    The palms bursting in air

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    Steeplejack says:


    Well, Trump doesn’t like dogs, so . . .

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    At one point Trump said one of the services demonstrated its “versa-tal-ity” doing something or the other. So who knows?

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    NotMax says:


    demonstrated its “versa-tal-ity”


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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Algorythms on social media have been going Full Nazi for a long time.

    Twitter bots suspended an account for posting:

    “I killed Franco” followed by an article on the death of Dictator Francisco Franco.

    Dozens of articles/investigations have shown that the minimum wage human meat fodder subcontracted by the Billionaire Social Media Companies to uphold their so called anti-hate, anti-ISIL, etc rules;

    – arn’t trained on the “rules”,
    – arn’t trained on content,
    – are held to horrifying quotas,
    – are subject to PSTD,
    – arn’t vetted for ”radical”views,
    – work in unsafe conditions, ( violence, harassment, sexual assault) and filth,
    – are often radicalized or desensitized,
    – last less than 2 years before they quit, ( destroyed) or are fired for not being able to cope/process the puke funnel fast enough.

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    NotMax says:

    Anyone else remember Disney’s adaptation of Ben and Me?

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    NotMax says:


    And yet the Border Patrol members Facebook swamp endures.

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    ThresherK says:

    @NotMax: But of course,

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    Steeplejack says:


    No problem. Thanks!

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    And internet reactionaries think these same mods are “SJWs”. They make stupid memes to that effect

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    prostratedragon says:

    @Steeplejack: I know they’re Marines, but still …

    “Soldier in the Rain,” Mancini

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    Jay says:


    Zuck’s not gonna take it down,

    CBP/ICE arn’t gonna take them down,

    Cops have the same social media presence,

    If there is any pushback, even minor, they will just like the “out” Nazis, move to Discord and Russia’s Telegram.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    Capitol Fourth show going ahead (Stamos, Muppets, various and myriad versions of various things but at least the Muppets started with George M Cohan and the National Symphony is there. Noting the crowd in many red white blue costumes, there’s a strange-looking ball cap, white with a red banner up top says (USA-Yay), a lot of folks wearing it but it’s not one of those (eww) things, those things, so at least from here this looks typically amateurish & neutral & benign.

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    Steeplejack says:


    I love that song! Mancini had some great B-sides (i.e., anything not “Pink Panther” or “Peter Gunn”).


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    Jay says:

    Defense Department computers are among the top distributors of child pornography. An untold number of Department of Defense (DOD) employees and contractors have subscriptions to child pornography websites, and the problem is apparently so pervasive it requires new technical solutions to address it.

    Add in all the Military Nazi’s and,……..

    No wonder Pizzagate had such legs amongst the RWNJ’s.

    It’s always projection,…….

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    Jay says:

    Speaking of Enemies inside the Gates,…..

    The CEO of one of America’s most influential Israel lobby groups has stepped down, amid reports of a funding crisis.

    Though unacknowledged in the reporting, Josh Block’s resignation as head of The Israel Project comes less than a year after an undercover documentary revealed many of the group’s covert activities.

    The film reveals that The Israel Project is running a massive online influence campaign.

    The group runs a series of Facebook pages which appear to be about subjects unrelated to Israel, such as history, women’s rights and environmentalism.

    But in reality, the pages are run by The Israel Project, and they have produced content that has reached millions of viewers.

    “A lot of it is just random topics and then maybe like 25 percent of it would be like Israel or Jewish-based,” explained a staffer who worked for The Israel Project on the pages.

    “We have a lot of side projects that we are trying to influence the public debate with,” Jordan Schachtel told Al Jazeera’s undercover reporter.

    Annnnnd here’s Zuck,

    In February, The Electronic Intifada revealed that Facebook had given a green light to this secretive influence campaign on behalf of a foreign state.

    A Facebook spokesperson claimed to The Electronic Intifada that the influence campaign’s pages “don’t violate any of Facebook’s pages policies.”

    So much for “inauthentic” accounts being banned.

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    chopper says:


    you mean Baby Elephant Walk?

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    Steeplejack says:


    He also had some clunkers!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: If your Freude (joy) has been thoroughly geschadet(damaged) you won’t be celebrating. Rather, you are feeling Freude because Trump has suffered Schade (damage).

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @lamh36: Could it be? Could it be? *bounce bounce bounce*

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid



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    Miss Bianca says:

    @NotMax: That’s one of my favorite books! Disney did an adaptation?

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    NotMax says:

    @Miss Bianca

    Link I provided above is to the ending of Disney’s 1953 version. Seems the whole thing is available on YouTube as well.

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    Procopius says:

    @Steeplejack: I’ll be waiting to see if the F-35 makes it. At one point there were reports it couldn’t fly in the rain, but that may have been because its lightning protection system didn’t work and it was thought to be too dangerous for the pilot.

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