And some good news

Transparent bullshit has been stopped on one thing

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  1. 1
    Elizabelle says:

    I will take some good news.

    Happy afternoon, jackals.

  2. 2
    TenguPhule says:

    Transparent bullshit has been stopped on one thing

    No trust until verified by the actual printed census.

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    dmsilev says:

    Good news. Kind of depressing that four Supreme Court ‘Justices’ were fine with the ‘lie to us; it’s for a good cause’ argument, but still I’ll take it.

    Has Tweeter Tweeted yet? Because he will.

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    tobie says:

    Yes! Thank goodness for one victory.

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    NotMax says:

    Repeating from downstairs, FYI.

    [Potentially] …16 states will see a shift in congressional reapportionment in 2020, according to a new report by Election Data Services. The biggest seat gains will likely be seen in Florida and Texas. Texas is likely to gain three congressional seats, which would give the state 39 seats in Congress. Florida is expected to gain up to two additional congressional seats, bringing its total delegation to 29 starting in 2022. Many states that are taking in large numbers of Americans from other parts of the country – Arizona, Colorado, North Carolina, Montana, and Oregon –will also gain at least one seat.

    The estimates also signal likely seat losses for the Midwest and the Northeast. As a result of population decline and slower rate of growth, Election Data Services projects that Alabama, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and West Virginia will lose at least one congressional seat, with New York potentially losing a second, as well. California and Minnesota are borderline cases, with each facing the possibility of losing up to one seat. Source

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Apparently some damage has already been done, and people are planning not to open the door (according to the FTFNYT).

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    Johnny Gentle (famous crooner) says:

    This is excellent news, though I think the damage has been done. With all that the Trump administration has done to undocumented immigrants, how many of them would even dare respond to the census?

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    JMS says:

    Trump supporters should not respond to the census in protest. That will show…somebody

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    JPL says:

    Someone informed trump that it was in the Constitution, I presume.

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    Bex says:

    Read on Kos that Pence’s plane was ordered to return to Washington. White House was quoted as saying we won’t know why for “months.” WTF?

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    Transparent bullshit has been stopped on one thing

    It’s a good thing they lucked into getting Hofeller’s files. I think Ross would still be pushing it if those files hadn’t shown up.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    I’m surprised. I didn’t think they’d give up that easy.

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    NotMax says:

    @JMS

    “Number of households reporting consisting of a dozen or more skyrockets in Trump-friendly states. ‘Purely coincidence,’ says administration spokesperson.”

    //

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    zmulls says:

    Yeah, I was surprised they didn’t go back with “the real administrative reason” that Roberts would accept.

    But I’m thinking they don’t want to continue the case with the Hofeller data — they don’t want all that to be subject to open discussion.

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    SFAW says:

    I was kinda hoping that the news included something about Wilburrrrr Ross being jailed for crimes against humanity, or at least for attempting to defraud the electorate (which probably does not have its own section in the US Code, but should).

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    craigie says:

    @TenguPhule:
    First thing I thought – they’ll just print them the way they want, and then say “what are you going to do about it?”

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    Suzanne says:

    Wow. What a rollover.

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    Kent says:

    Personally I have always suspected that this whole citizenship question was something of a red herring. I mean it was bad enough. But there are hundreds of other ways that the Trump administration can fuck with the census. Dems need to have their A-game on for this and not think it has been won.

    All the strategies that the GOP uses to supress votes in the south can be used to distort the census. They can underfund and underequip census efforts in poor and minority and Dem areas just by failing to staff up the effort and then just run out the clock. Just like they do when they put 4x more voting machines in white areas than in black areas. Or put fewer precincts in poor and minority areas than rich areas.

    My fear is that through bureaucratic fuckery they will deliberately undercount huge swaths of blue America and then just run out the clock. Essentially accomplish the same thing that the citizenship question was designed to do but on larger scale and in communities like black communities that would not have been affected by the citizenship question.

    The main point of the citizenship question was to give data to state legislatures to use it in their own redistricting for state legislatures to further cement GOP power at the state level. At least we won’t be dealing with that. For example, if you base state legislative districts on numbers of citizens rather than numbers of people then places like Houston would lose representation to the whiter rural and suburan areas.

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    Martin says:

    @NotMax: CA was expected to lose at least 2 with the citizenship question on there.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I feel the same… Mucking with the census could have benefited Rethugs for a decade. They lost their grit on this issue.

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    NotMax says:

    @Kent

    Keep in mind as well that there is no hard and fast requirement for Congressional redistricting. Wasn’t done following the 1920 census.

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    Couple of comments:
    1. They’d have to convince the New York federal judge that their new reason is the real reason and show the prior documentation, all of which takes time, effort, time, careful study and most of all-time. Then they’d have to have a hearing on the merits of their new reason while defending the Hofeller data in that court AND in a Maryland court. Then convince the Circuit Court to hear it quickly with minimal rebriefing before convincing the Supreme Court to hear it again with minimal briefing or fact-finding.
    2. Hofeller’s data is still being parsed and will be the basis of a separate inquiry in Maryland court.
    3. Nothing so far prevents the New York or Maryland courts from finding that Wilbur Ross potentially committed multiple counts of perjury in his legal filings and testimony to Congress, and referring the case to the Justice Department for prosecution.
    4. Use of Hofeller’s data might have North Carolina’s state courts go back to look at the maps again in light of impermissable motives and potential false filings. NC’s AG is a Democrat, so no IOKIYAR protection like Barr would extend to Ross.
    5. President-Professor Warren would recommend a perjury investigation into Ross if he isn’t pardoned by Trump on the way out of office (fat chance that Trump protects any losers not Ivanka or himself only).
    6. A Presidential Pardon requires an admission of guilt and would permit a Congressional panel to question Ross under Oath without Ross being able to plead the Fifth and a Democratic President wouldn’t invoke “executive privilege”, nor (I believe) would courts be willing to find that a former President had standing to invoke “executive privilege” in that situation either.

    tl;dr This isn’t over for Republicans; it only gets worse for them.

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    Another Scott says:

    Some more good(ish) news. GovExec:

    A provision of the fiscal 2020 Financial Services and General Government appropriations bill (H.R. 3351), which the House passed by a 224-196 vote, would block agencies from implementing any collective bargaining agreement that has not been “mutually and voluntarily agreed to by all parties” or was not the result of binding arbitration. The ban is retroactive to April 30, 2019.

    If enacted, the bill would prevent agencies from unilaterally implementing new union contracts. Last week, the Environmental Protection Agency informed the American Federation of Government Employees that it would skip negotiations and impose a new contract later this month over the union’s objections.

    […]

    A Democratic aide to the House Appropriations Committee told Government Executive that the provision is the result of concerns that agencies have been engaging in bad-faith bargaining in an effort to reach the impasses panel, which the aide described as a “partisan” board, as quickly as possible. Unlike other adjudicative bodies that deal with employee-management disputes, such as the Federal Labor Relations Authority and the Merit Systems Protections Board, there are no requirements that there be minority party representation. Thus, the impasses panel is made up entirely of Republican appointees.

    “There have been a series of concerns where federal agencies, in unions’ and in our opinions, have engaged in non-good faith bargaining to get to impasse,” the aide said. “So it goes to the FSIP, that’s 100% composed of Republican members, so their decisions have not been in union favor. So agencies are just imposing unilaterally determined contracts on the unions with the blessing of the FSIP, which is pretty partisan at this point.”

    Within the last two years, unions and Democratic lawmakers have increasingly accused agency management of engaging in “surface” bargaining—“checking boxes” in the process without meaningfully engaging in negotiations in order to reach the impasses panel.

    Under current law, when an agency and a federal employee union reach an impasse in collective bargaining negotiations, they must go to the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service to work out their differences. If they cannot resolve their dispute, the parties have two options: they can request the intervention of the impasses panel, or they can submit to binding arbitration by a neutral third party, although the parameters must be approved by the impasses panel.

    If the appropriations bill’s provision becomes law, contract negotiators effectively would be required to go to arbitration once an impasse is declared. Federal unions applauded the language’s inclusion in the bill.

    […]

    Good, good.

    One wonders about the likelihood of it actually being enacted into law though.

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Martin says:

    I think this just means that the administration is too incompetent to pull off a change in schedule, not that they were unable to concoct a better lie for Roberts.

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    rikyrah says:

    The Hill (@thehill) Tweeted:
    .@RepWilson speaks at Homestead migrant detention facility: “I came specifically looking for girls. Where are the girls? I did not see the girls. I did not see the girls. So I am not prepared to leave this facility until I see the girls.” https://t.co/HMMloly0eT https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1146159106954334208?s=17

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    JaneE says:

    It already has Hispanics wary of responding to the census. Mission accomplished.

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    Mike in NC says:

    I worked on the 2010 Census while between real jobs. Wonder if they keep lists of volunteers.

    Fat Bastard will complain about this in his July 4 campaign rally, which is most likely just going to be a 90 minute “airing of grievances”. Festivus comes early.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Martin:
    I will say it again…
    Without the revelation of the literal smoking gun on the dead man’s hard drives…that question would be on its way to the printer.

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    DRickard says:

    I will believe this when I see an actual census form without the question on it.

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    @Anonymous At Work:

    if he isn’t pardoned by Trump on the way out of office (fat chance that Trump protects any losers not Ivanka or himself only).

    I would not be surprised if Trump gives a blanket pardon for all federal crimes for everyone in his administration, including himself, on the way out the door.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Florida has an invasive green iguana problem. WaPost: Iguanas spread in Florida as climate warms: ‘They’re a menace’

    … After a warm winter and now with record-breaking summer heat — the kind of weather iguanas thrive in — the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has declared open season on the exotic reptile.

    “The FWC encourages homeowners to kill green iguanas on their own property whenever possible,” the commission recently wrote on its website. “Iguanas can also be killed year-round and without a permit on 22 public lands in south Florida.”

    Agency biologists say they don’t know how many iguanas are in Florida, but they know the kinds of problems they’re causing. These include “erosion, degradation of infrastructure such as water control structures, canal banks, sea walls and building foundations,” state biologist Dan Quinn said in an email.

    Iguanas are edible, apparently. They make iguana curry in Trinidad and Tobago and elsewhere in the Caribbean, where they are called “chicken of the trees.”

    Checked out the WaPost reader comments. Most want to have the iguanas dropped off at Mar a Lago, although several caution the place is already filled with reptiles.

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    Ian R says:

    Why would they bother continuing to fight it? They get the same benefit and more from the pro-gerrymandering decision.

    Sure, they can’t take seats away from the more blue states, but they can ensure that as many of those seats as possible are lost to us forever.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Elizabelle:
    “I wish I was in Ti-a-jua-na”

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    lamh36 says:

    Alright…the phone interview for the job I applied for is next Wednesday at 1pm!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eeec4d158e1376748ef9b42d97686dca2d86410e4058ba5415a703e2bec1f4da.gif

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    debbie says:

    Best news all day! Now, about those $500,000 fines against immigrant children…

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    NotMax says:

    @Elizabelle

    green iguanas

    Iguanas are edible, apparently.

    Much better when allowed to ripen.

    :)

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    debbie says:

    @Bex:

    Obviously he’s just been told he’s being replaced by Ivanka on the 2020 ticket. You noticed of course all the Trump signs at his recent rally. Not one had Pence’s name on it.

    ETA: I can only pray as diligently as Mrs. Betty Bower that the evangelicals will be most unhappy at this news.

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    debbie says:

    @Suzanne:

    Can we say he folded like a cheap suit?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: We will have to develop a taste for iguana cuisine, and hope hunters can better bring down the Burmese pythons. Leather all around! Maybe smoked python chips. Who knows? Give Florida’s mammals a break!

    The iguanas and pythons flourish because the temperatures never dip enough to kill them off. WaPost article says it takes 4 successive days of below-40 temps to do in iguanas.

    Alabama is seeing massive wasp nests, since the wasps do not necessarily die off in the winters as they did prior to climate change.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah: Didn’t AOC see them?

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    lamh36 says:

    Researchers eliminated HIV from the DNA of infected mice. It’s the first step toward a cure for humans, they say @CNN https://cnn.it/2JiqlpG

    Whoa…I really think there just may be a cure for HIV in my lifetime…

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Checked out the WaPost reader comments. Most want to have the iguanas dropped off at Mar a Lago, although several caution the place is already filled with reptiles.

    You’re trying to get sued, aren’t you? Most reptiles aren’t Nazi trash.

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    jl says:

    @NotMax: It might work.

    ‘President X of Y and I had iguana steak at our summit at Mar a Lago.. It was incredible, the best iguana steak ever made. Raised on Mar a Logo grass, the best grass. Can’t get that kind of iguana steak anywhere else on earth. Covered in American cheese. And the best ketchup. Iguana is a great American animal, the best. It’s a top animal for great steak. The best.’

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    hotshoe says:

    Oh, good news feels so — strange — after so long in Dumpster disasters. I don’t know what to do with a moment’s relief.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @rikyrah:

    “I came specifically looking for girls. Where are the girls? I did not see the girls. I did not see the girls. So I am not prepared to leave this facility until I see the girls.”

    Sounds like trump at a pageant

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    Will there truly be no citizenship question on census? I read that Roberts gave hint how they could resubmit attempt to put question on census with good chance Trump gang would get a favorable ruling.

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    NotMax says:

    @Elizabelle

    Child: What did you put in my lunchbox today?

    Parent: Iguana on a stick.

    Child: Aw, aga-a-a-ain?

    Alternate quip.

    Diner: What’s this “Sunshine State Steak” on the menu?

    Companion: You don’t wanna know.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Dude, really? WTF?

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    joel hanes says:

    @Kent:

    there are hundreds of other ways that the Trump administration can fuck with the census.

    Yes. And they’re pursuing them. Wilbur Ross cut the number of regional census offices in half.
    https://panetta.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-panetta-leads-house-democrats-calling-commerce-department-explain

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    @debbie:

    Can we say he folded like a cheap suit?

    Only if it can be worded to take a dig at Trump’s sartorial failures.

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    joel hanes says:

    @NotMax:

    Iguana on a stick

    Fallout 4 player ?

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    jl says:

    @NotMax: Call in ‘miniature alligator’. Or ‘alligator petite’ It will sell.
    Get people want to eat them, the poor things will be wiped out in no time.

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    kindness says:

    USA Womens Soccor team beat England 2-1. Finals here we come.

    Trump’s twitter feed should be really ugly.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: I guana have chicken of the trees, please.

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    debbie says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Here’s a headline that should work:” TRUMP FOLDS LIKE HIS CHEAP SUIT OVER A CENSUS QUESTION! BIGLY!

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    Another Scott says:

    @Mike in NC: 50% chance of thunderstorms on Thursday, also too.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Martin says:

    @joel hanes: Iguana on a stick isn’t in Fallout 4. Only iguana bits, which, are uh, not actually iguana…

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    joel hanes says:

    @Martin:

    I strongly favor a combination of mole rat chunks and mireluk egg omelette, with squirrel stew on the side for the XP bonus.
    All washed down with an ice-cold Nuka Cherry obtained from my Drinking Buddy.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    Alligator + iguana = the new surf ‘n’ turf.

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    NotMax says:

    @Martin

    “The iguana is a lie.”

    :)

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    Yutsano says:

    @Elizabelle: I’ve never had iguana, but if it tastes anything like gator or rattlesnake, I’m in.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Martin:

    Do not, however, eat any potted meat, nor anything else produced by “Longneck” Lukowski

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    VOR says:

    @kindness: Megan Rapinoe didn’t play in today’s game.

    England had a goal disallowed for offsides after VAR. But they got a break with a penalty shot at close range, after a called penalty where I didn’t see actual contact. But our goalie stopped the shot, saved the goal.

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    laura says:

    @rikyrah: that right there ought to be a crime.
    It may be time to trot out the “don’t ruin the holiday with your sad mac and cheese” video.
    Word to the wise Do Not Play Around with traditional holiday foods!

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    NotMax says:

    @Elizabelle

    Coming soon to the Home Shopping Network, the Iguan-a-matic 3000™. “Now with six cubic zirconium blades!”

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: An update of the classic Bass-o-matic, I presume?

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    NotMax says:

    @dmsilev

    You betcha.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yutsano: Yeah. We need to be adventurous eaters. Sort of ….

    Wasn’t there some Marlon Brando and Matthew Broderick movie where an eating club was going to eat some rare lizard? And one of the lines was like, “Don’t worry, the lizard’s in Jersey?” … I kinda remember something like that ….

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    lamh36 says:

    I’m just now looking at the new Quinnipiac poll numbers today and Jesus…Mayor Pete is at a statistical 0!
    Even Andrew Yang has 2%!

    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1146120825210376193?s=20

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    rikyrah says:

    @lamh36:
    Good luck 🙏🙏🙏

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: It’s absolutely maddening because nothing sticks. If there was just one thing, then the news media would spend days on it. There is so much that people tune out. Unfortunately, people are dying at the border because of the asshole.

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    NotMax says:

    @laura

    Didn’t look (I avoid anything Twitter). Is it by any chance this festive faux pas?

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    Kathleen says:

    @lamh36: Good luck!

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    Sebastian says:

    @rikyrah:

    I still think that was and still is the best political slogan. “Where are the girls?!”

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    danielx says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Got that right.

    Do Not Trust Them.

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    chopper says:

    @Martin:

    not as good as a ghost pickle on a stick tho.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Elizabelle:
    The Freshman

    Mostly forgotten and excellent and quirky movie.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @trollhattan: Right. Thank you.

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    trollhattan says:

    @VOR:
    Today, Alyssa Naeher (there must be a dozen ways to spell that) became presidential America’s keeper. Lights-out game.

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    rikyrah says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Different camps.AOC was in Texas. The other Congresswoman was in Florida.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    Oh, that’s wild.

    I’ve been giddy with all the polls showing Bernie dropping to fourth place.

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    rikyrah says:

    @joel hanes:
    Actually, that was set in motion in 2014. They have been planning on sabotaging the Census since 2014.😠

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    Kathleen says:

    House Oversight Committee to conduct hearings next week:

    BREAKING: The U.S. House Oversight Committee has just announced it will hold a hearing next week on the treatment of immigrant children in border facilities; Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule)

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @trollhattan:

    Today, Alyssa Naeher (there must be a dozen ways to spell that) became America’s keeper.

    Geez, that’s looks about as hard as catching a falling knife.[1]

    [1] nono, chet: catching a -thrown- knife.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Chetan Murthy:
    Yup, simple as a simple thing. Also, too, first half fingertip deflection.

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    Jay says:

    The updated list of the 375 scholars (and growing) of the Holocaust and genocide studies agreeing w/ the Congresswoman can be found here: https://t.co/PZcr91gxn3— Charlotte Clymer🏳️‍🌈 (@cmclymer) July 2, 2019

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    TenguPhule says:

    BREAKING: Trump says he will nominate Christopher Waller and Judy Shelton to be on board of Federal Reserve

    Our economy is so fucked.

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    germy says:

    The Israeli Academy of Sciences and Humanities elects antivaxer Yehuda Shoenfeld to its ranks

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-israeli-academy-of-sciences-and-humanities-elects-antivaxer-yehuda-shoenfeld-to-its-ranks/

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    Brachiator says:

    Taking a break from Trump related madness, I went to see Spiderman: Far From Home today. Big fun. It’s almost a high school teen dramedy masquerading as a super hero movie. Peter Parker and friends go to Europe and shenanigans ensue.

    Good cast, good acting, and some interesting tie ins with earlier Marvel movies. Aunt May is hot.

    Went to the Arclight and the employee who introduced the movie warned against people talking about the movie as soon as they left the theater. I think the no spoilers zone should be 50 feet outside the building.

    A couple of post credit stingers. Good summer fun.

    The trailer for Fast and Furious: Hobbs and Shaw looks ridiculous, but damn there are some spectacular stunts revealed. The trailer might give away too much of the movie, though. The trailer for the next Terminator film looks almost sedate by comparison, but damn it’s good to see Linda Hamilton on the big screen again.

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    Barbara says:

    @lamh36: When you don’t fire racist white cops and then fire the black police chief -‘- you are going to be challenged to really explain yourself.

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    laura says:

    @NotMax: not even close -though that’s bad too. It was a video of one very P.O.’d mom when he daughter brought the mac and cheese new recipe instead of using Aunt Sharon’s recipe and ruined Christmas. It was epic! A call the burn unit beatdown.
    Any/every time anyone modified holiday food in our family did not go well and never lived down. Auntie Suzi’s rice stuffed Turkey explosion…..its like 1966 all over again.

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    guachi says:

    @lamh36: When I was at a Buttigieg rally in South Carolina last week (North Augusta on the SC/GA border) the crowd was overwhelmingly white despite there being a sizable black population in the surrounding counties.

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    Baud says:

    @germy:

    Shame on them.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @TenguPhule: Agreed. I’m going to wait to see my 2020 form before I declare victory on this one. It would be just like Wilburrrrrr and Lord Dampnut to have had the census materials printed already to save $s.

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    NotMax says:

    @laura

    Heh. Only tradition in our family was to be sure to prepare enough so everyone took home a care package. Well, that and a fully stocked bar.

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @craigie: Already printed, OOPSIE. Sorry, maybe next time.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    And a strict, if unspoken, No Fistfights rule.

    :)

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    BREAKING: Trump says he will nominate Christopher Waller and Judy Shelton to be on board of Federal Reserve

    Who are these people?

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @West of the Rockies: I do not believe they are finished with this.

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    Brachiator says:

    Breaking news: The Trump administration officially dropped its effort to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census following a defeat in the Supreme Court last week

    I won’t believe it until a month after the census is completed.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @smedley the uncertain: Nor I. Fully expect they’ll just print ’em with the question, and dare somebody to stop ’em.

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    @Roger Moore: I would be flabbergasted. Completely poleaxed in the extreme. Trump is a malignant narcissist. He is THE malignant narcissist. To give blanket pardons out the door implies he did illegal things and gave illegal orders. And he hired a lot of the wrong people to carry out his orders.

    Oh, and The Hague doesn’t care about Presidential Pardons. Pretty sure they’d be quite willing to investigate his immigration policies.

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    Baud says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Checkmate, atheists.

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    NotMax says:

    @Cheryl Rofer

    Were it (theoretically) a Dem president, Pat Robertson and the other hucksters would be bellowing about God’s judgment.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    It’s late enough in the thread, I figured I’d post something OT: https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/do-generals-matter/

    “DO GENERALS MATTER?”

    It reminded me of two things: Tolstoy’s similar argument in _War and Peace_, and a line I once read in a history of the Punic Wars, that the desired properties in a great general were mostly the same as in someone tasked with organizing a city-wide festival. Logistics, in short. Also, come to think of it, Adam Tooze’s _Wages of Destruction_ (with its focus on economic & demographic forces over “maneuver warfare”). And his more-recent seminar series on the multi-generational fuckup (starting sometime in the 19th century) that is Prussian maneuver warfare in the German command structure.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Obviously Hillary’s fault. LOCK HER UP! /s

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    Barbara says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: They are predicting storms but I haven’t seen anyone predicting gale force winds. It’s raining heavily now.

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    Jay says:

    @Brachiator:

    Shelton’s a goldbug, high interest, transition team grifter, Kudlow gal pal.

    Waller seems sane.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @NotMax: “You take the iguana, the WHOLE iguana, and put in in the super iguana-o-matic 3000”

    “Now that’s good iguana!”

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Slava Tebe, Gospodi!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Chetan Murthy: Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brachiator: More likely than not worthless grifting hacks.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Indeed, though I think the original Omar Bradley quote was tactics strategy, no?

    In any case, yeap, yeap. I sort of knew this long ago, but the larger frame of the economic and demographic underpinnings, I only realized when reading Tooze. And the extent to which Prussians have practiced “a first blitzkrieg will finish them off, even if we don’t have the economic backing needed to wage a long war” as their ONLY strategy was …. not apparent to me, until I started reading snippets of Tooze’s seminar on German Militarism.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Who says the Lord** does not have a sense of humor?

    Although I wanted droves to stay away cuz of Trump, not due to weather.

    ** or Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatevs.

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    Kay says:

    Stephen Gutowski
    ‏Verified account
    @StephenGutowski
    Jul 1
    More
    Multiple NRATV sources tell me the staff was informed today they were being placed on a sort of unpaid leave. They won’t receive pay or severance at this point and their insurance has been canceled. They were given 21 days to sign an NDA in order to reactivate their insurance.

    A sort of unpaid leave. The first one who doesn’t sign that NDA could probably sell his or her story. “Inside the collapse of the NRA” . They would be blackballed from Right wing grift operations but who cares? That’s a niche anyway. They could get a normal job.

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    Brachiator says:

    @lamh36:
    Good luck with your interview.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Elizabelle: @Cheryl Rofer: Who says the Lord** does not have a sense of humor?

    Not to start a blasphemous rumor

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    Kay says:

    That would be a good book! “Oliver arrived with his driver. He was furious. Where’s the money Wayne?”

    Like Theranos, but for Right wing grift instead of science-y grift.

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    Martin says:

    @joel hanes: I always keep drinking buddy as well. Let him wander around my main base.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I wandered into a strange twitter thread about trump’s Festival Of Sir (stolen from Betty Cracker) and found this

    ChrisB @ Chriswb71
    No just against tearing up our streets with 67 ton tanks, like HW Bush did. At least that wasn’t about him, and we haven’t done it since precisely because all the streets had to be resurfaced. We have airshows, not tank shows.

    did Poppy throw himself a victory parade for restoring freedom and democracy in Kuwait? I have no memory of that

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    scav says:

    @Elizabelle: There’s one fantastic butterfly somewhere who was just waiting to flap. Had such a grin on her face.

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    Martin says:

    @Baud: None of us are praying for rain. We’re praying for meteors. Show us that fucking forecast.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    Who are these people?

    Shelton is a Gold bug. Waller is willing to bend the knee to Trump’s orders to the Fed. He was the only person to vote to cut rates in June while everyone else voted to keep them steady.

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    Martin says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Sure did. Weather was nice, but lots of damage done. But no worries – all borne by the folks of DC who don’t have any congressional representation to ensure that the feds pay for the damage done.

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    Jay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    One in DC, one in New York.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Martin: trump still owes the city $7M from the inauguration

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Matthew Yglesias @ mattyglesias
    Judy Shelton, who Trump just picked for the Fed, literally argued for eliminating the US/Mexico border to create “free movement in people as well as goods across North America” so the vetting seems great.

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    @Chetan Murthy:
    I think it’s an interesting article, but I think there’s some interaction between successful generalship and the ability to sustain a long term fight. The American Civil War is a good example of this. Yes, the Union had the industry and population to succeed in the long run, but they needed victories in the short run to sustain their will to continue. Without Grant’s and especially Sherman’s victories in 1864, it’s quite possible the Union would have given up, elected McClellan, and granted the Confederacy a negotiated peace. That may be the exception, but I think it’s worth offering as a counter.

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    Martin says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The city will be lucky if they don’t get sued for $250M for not having more people turn out.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:
    😂😂😂😂

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    @zhena gogolia: I honestly doubt people will remember this next year. I honestly don’t understand why people worry about what you say to a census worker. It’s not like they ask for papers. You don’t have to allow them in the house. Have the English speaking person answer the questions with the numbers of people in the house and the other demos.

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    Peale says:

    @Kay: someone there is married to a white collar or government worker who opted out of that insurance to go on a better plan.

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: trumpov owes Mesa Arizona a couple of hundred grand or so for security etc dor a ’16 campaign event. Sanders owes some money to the City of Tucson as well.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @lamh36: Great. Now how about a cure for Type 2 diabetes in my lifetime? (Better work fast, I’m a geezer.) I have yet to see any sign that anyone has a clue as to where to even start..

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @NotMax: No RWB Iguana

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    TenguPhule says:

    Park Service diverts $2.5 million for Trump’s July 4 extravaganza

    The agency will dip into entrance and recreation fees primarily intended to improve parks across the country, according to two individuals familiar with the arrangement.

    Preliminary cost for Trump’s self-fellatio.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think that’s wishful thinking.

    Weather.gov for DCA:

    Independence Day Scattered showers and thunderstorms after 8am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 91. Calm wind becoming east around 5 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

    Thursday Night Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 75. Southeast wind around 6 mph becoming calm after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

    Thunderstorms are certainly possible, dunno about the gale-force winds though.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    How has no one posted this? Where are Omnes and Immanentize tonight?

    I wish I was in Tijuana
    Eating barbequed iguana

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    Jeffrey Sachs nice time! (via Delong’s place) https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1079031986835128321

    “The SJWs Are Winning and You’re All Just Going to Have to Deal With It: A thread.”

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Another Scott: Hoping for several minutes of baseball sized hailstones coming down on the MAGA crowd.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ruh-roh

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    Kay says:

    @Peale:

    CORNISH: Usually the NRA is secretive. You’ve been learning a lot about what the situation is like inside the organization. What have you learned?
    MAK: So we spoke to former staff in the training program, the shooting program, the fundraising staff. And they described the NRA as an organization with two sets of rules. You had luxuries for the executives and very low wages for rank-and-file staff.

    They have some very disgruntled former employees.

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    fed says:

    @Another Scott: Thanks for the story. I work for the EPA. The administration is trying to cram a “contract” down our throats that would (among other things) gut the Union, put our leave and telework at the whim of managers, and allow employees to be fired if a manager puts them on an improvement plan and the employee doesn’t “improve” (as determined by the manager) within 30 days.

    If you care about clean water and clean air, please call your Senators in support of this provision (section 749 of HR 3351).

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    Jay says:

    THE PROUD BOYS PLANNED THESE TERRORISTIC HOME VISITS VISITS FOR WEEKS.THEY'RE MAKING GUN THREATS.THEY'RE FLYING PEOPLE IN FROM OUT OF STATE.THEY CAME TO OUR HOUSES IN ARMOR.MY FRIEND HAD 4 YOUNG CHILDREN AT HOME.THIS IS TERRORISM. https://t.co/s8fpqjGB0Z— Gwen Snyder is uncivil (@gwensnyderPHL) July 2, 2019

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Cheryl Rofer, @Another Scott:

    Yeah, I think someone is snarking/​trolling.

    I’m not seeing anything about the Blue Angels canceling either.

    WaPo weather story from late this afternoon.

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