I Just Don’t Get It

What is wrong with these people? I remember seeing footage of people cheering executions outside jails and thinking wtf is wrong with them, but this is even worse. These are just innocent folks who all they want to do is live a better life.

It’s really sick.






63 replies
  1. 1
    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Think of the movie Tombstone.
    Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?

    Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.

    Wyatt Earp: What does he need?

    Doc Holliday: Revenge.

    Wyatt Earp: For what?

    Doc Holliday: Bein’ born.

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    SFAW says:

    What is wrong with these people?

    Back in the Old Country, there were a couple of expressions for persons like that:

    “They’re fucked in the head” and “They’re evil motherfuckers.” I’m sure there are similar alternative expressions

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    Damn, she’s just tiny.
    I’ve been worrying about her. If I believed in God I’d ask him to keep her safe.

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    This is who they are and we are fools if we somehow think they are going to change. All we can do is make them irrelevant. Shun them from all decent society. Glad they came out from under their rocks so we can identify them by name.

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    Another Scott says:

    There are lots of people who only believe what they’re told by people they trust – they don’t use their brains and eyes. It’s all Us vs The Other. :-(

    In other news, BlueVirginia:

    What the heck is going on in HD76 (96% in Suffolk City, 4% in Chesapeake City), which Chaz Nuttycombe had rated as a Likely Democratic pickup? According to VPAP’s list of qualified candidates, which just came out a few hours ago,

    “In HD 87 [sic – should be HD 76], Democrat Clint Jenkins did not qualify, leaving House Appropriations Chair Chris Jones (R-Suffolk) with no opponent.”

    Wuuuut? See below for Chaz’s reaction, which basically sums up my feelings as well. Meanwhile, I’m trying to find out more information about how on earth the Democratic candidate didn’t end up qualifying in an overwhelmingly blue district (after new, racially “unpacked” lines were put in place) that Tim Kaine won 62%-37% last November, that Ralph Northam won 60%-39% in November 2017, that Hillary Clinton won by 13 points in November 2016, etc. Ugh.

    […]

    Virginia state politics has a history of really skeevy crap happening that just happens to damage the Democratic Party’s chances. This new incident stinks to high heaven.

    Grr….

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Raoul says:

    To be sure, I am NOT equating what happened to former slaves and their descendants with what happened here, but “In all, about 50 lynchings of Italian [immigrants] have been documented in the period from 1890 to 1920.”

    We are a horrifically violent nation. From our first arrivals, we’ve killed and killed. It’s abhorrent, and it does not need to continue, but it will without proper reckoning, in a broad truth-and-reconciliation sort of way.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Another Scott: I think it’s just the beginning, both here and everywhere…we’ve seen just how low they’re willing to publicly go, no reason why they wouldn’t go even lower behind the scenes.

    I’m serious. It’s going to be ug-ly, people. It’s the only way the GOP can maintain power, and they’re going to ride it all the way in, at all levels.

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    NotMax says:

    The banality of evil, version 2.0.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    my god that’s depressing

    Jonathan M. Katz ✍🏻 @ KatzOnEarth
    The Trumpist protesters were trying their best to pretend they were pro-immigrant and diversity, but their mask disintegrated when @ RashidaTlaib spoke.

    They yelled about how much they loved pork. When she said she loved her country, they called her a foreigner.

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    Mary G says:

    The evergreen comment:

    President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

    Also sparrows, curtain rod, etc.

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    Jeffro says:

    Btw to Cole’s question: there are really only two options as to how people could turn out in 100-plus degree heat to protest people trying to keep kids safe/families together:

    1) People who do it for a paycheck (we already know trumpov has paid for crowds/supporters, among other things)
    2) People who’d do it to demonstrate their love for the Ill Douche.

    Not that these are exclusive categories.

    As I mentioned in the last thread, I’m wondering if folks aren’t getting paid to fly their trumpov freak flag, literally, to intimidate and try to give the impression of stronger support than he really has. I mean what’s $50-100 to get some redneck to drive around in his truck all day with a ‘trumpov 2020’ flag flying behind it?

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    Brachiator says:

    What is wrong with these people?

    On my way out the door earlier today, I heard on the radio some remarks from Trump as he signed the border bill. There was something about “we’re not setting up hospitals.” I have not been able to find another reference to what he said.

    Anyway, I don’t think that I have heard Trump say anything sympathetic about the refugees and immigrants, or offer any sign that he intends to relent on his cruel policies.

    I don’t believe in trickle down Economics, but I do believe that Trump sets an example and encourages bigotry.

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    Mary G says:

    O/T, but this cheered me up:

    BREAKING: Law enforcement source tells #WCVB the substance in the letters sent to Straight Parade organizers appears to be glitter.Source tells me: “This appears to be a legitimate use of the mail.”— Adam Bagni (@AdamBagni) July 1, 2019

    Pride revenge, and glitter will be in their houses for months.

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    debbie says:

    Has no one reminded these people that their people were once immigrants?

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    Raoul says:

    I just think there’s a lot of inchoate anger, smeared in a thick shit fondant of racism in this country. No need to pay these f**kers. They get off on the group aggression and threats of violence.

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    debbie says:

    @Brachiator:

    Actually, he did last week when asked about the drowned father and child. He quickly pivoted to blaming the tragedy on the Democrats.

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    NotMax says:

    @debbie

    Will have zero effect. They’ll say those were “the good ones, otherwise they would have been tossed in the slammer where they belong.”

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    What is wrong with these people?

    They’re living in the wrong country. They need to be stripped of their US citizenship and deported to a country more like what they want for this one: Russia.

    (EF Goldman, PBUH, quote here)

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Economic Anxiety

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    Are they worse than General Kelly who came up with the idea of separating children from the parents as a deterrent and is now profiting from it. He was considered the adult in the room until he lied about Rep Wilson.

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    Mary G says:

    Facebook Nazis getting a slap on the wrist, if that much,

    IN-BOX: @USBPChief’s email to agents following @propublica revelation of agents engaging in misogyny, xenophobia and hate on Facebook page. pic.twitter.com/56CKJ7VpFM— Bob Moore (@BobMooreNews) July 2, 2019

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    on the other side….

    Alyssa Rubin 🔥 @ aly_mixed_up
    200 Jews are shutting down an ICE detention center because we when we say never again we 👏🏼 fucking 👏🏼 mean 👏🏼 it. #NeverAgainIsNow – at CCA – Elizabeth Detention Center

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brachiator:

    but I do believe that Trump sets an example and encourages bigotry.

    This is why he needs to be made an example of. It’s the absolute remorselessness of this vile creature. He’s Ted Bundy without the charm.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Alyssa Rubin 🔥 @ aly_mixed_up
    200 Jews are shutting down an ICE detention center because we when we say never again we 👏🏼 fucking 👏🏼 mean 👏🏼 it. #NeverAgainIsNow – at CCA – Elizabeth Detention Center

    And people are allowing themselves to get arrested. It’s not just “photo op and then go home.”

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    Kay says:

    @Mary G:

    Dara Lind
    ‏Verified account
    @DLind
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    CBP’s official statement implied they’d just found out about offensive posts in the “I’m 10-15” FB group for Border Patrol agents. But agents told us the group has been a problem for “years,” with no consequences.

    The rule they’re all breaking looked like it was written to stop something rather than prevent something. Very specific rule.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Ayup.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @SFAW:
    May those who love us, love us, and those who don’t, may God turn their hearts,
    and if He doesn’t turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles so we’ll know them by their limping.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    To rephrase something I said earlier in another thread, we look at Trump and objectively see Jaba the Hutt. Republicans look at him and see young Cary Grant. He, his people, and his policies are vile. His supporters are stupid and stupefying.

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    ChuckInAustin says:

    I often say that I think Republicans may be horrible people. I say ‘may be’ to give the benefit of the doubt to people I know and like who happen to be Republican. They are making it difficult to maintain this qualification.

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    Kay says:

    @Mary G:

    Says there was a February 2018 directive, so the agents also ignored that because the image they created depicting Donald Trump sexually assaulting AOC had to be later than February of 2018.
    And they waited until Propublica revealed it to send it to the inspector general, although they have a specific regulation barring this and issued a directive on it 2 months into 2018.
    They have to fire the managers. It’s systemic. They knew it and they didn’t investigate it. They never would have if it hadn’t have come out.

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    Sherparick says:

    @Jeffro: They are the “Good Germans.”

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    chopper says:

    @SFAW:

    richt in kop comes to mind.

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    Sherparick says:

    @Jeffro: They are the “Good Germans.”@The Pale Scot: or a good blister on the soles of their feet to match the hole in their souls.

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    Sherparick says:

    @Brachiator: guts

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    debit says:

    My dad told me that the refugees being held in detention aren’t people. They aren’t human. I am trying to reconcile this with the man who raised me and I can’t. I don’t know what I’m going to do.

    BTW, I am four generations away from Germany. My family came over packed in steerage like sardines.

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    cmorenc says:

    @debbie:

    Has no one reminded these people that their people were once immigrants?

    But…but…but…their ancestors were all legal immigrants, back when there weren’t any legal requirements to immigrate beyond stepping off the boat that took them here onto land, and before those already here on that basis started pushing for legal drawbridges to be built and pulled closed against “others” trying to step ashore.

    Could their ancestors have legally made it into this country under current laws and the current administration? Kinda doubt it, unless they were Norwegians or ruddy-faced caucasian English, but NO IRISH.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @chopper: Hat nicht alle Tassen im Schrank comes to mind as well.

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    Kay says:

    I know they’ll provide blanket coverage of Trump’s gross Tribute to Dear Leader Parade. I won’t watch but I’m glad there will be clips to see because you can’t look away- it’s the worst impulse- but you can’t stop watching it just get worse and worse.

    It’s a catastrophe in slow motion. There doesn’t seem to be a bottom. By next year the Trump Family will be wearing fake military uniforms.

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    Captain C says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Russia could probably use the influx of people; their population has been stagnant or declining for decades. Vlad could set them up with some prime Pacific beachfront properties near Magadan.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: I take some solace in the fact that very few people will be watching television, and the weather forecast is not good

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @ChuckInAustin:

    I often say that I think Republicans may be horrible people. I say ‘may be’ to give the benefit of the doubt to people I know and like who happen to be Republican.

    I will soon tell my brother and sister, if they still vote Republican after the revelations about torturing babies …God damn you all. None of the GOP leadership has stood up against this.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @debit:

    Sounds like Fox News has gotten its hooks into him. Any chance someone can reprogram his remote and tell him the cable company stopped carrying Fox News?

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Jeffro:
    Some half remembered Oscar Wilde quotes were ghosting in my head ao I looked them up;

    “Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.”

    “How is it that people who are not possessed of a single other virtue should come out at times as patriots?”

    i@schrodingers_cat:
    Apparently Oscar Wilde Quotes in Hindi are a thing, go figure

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    This is heartening.

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    cmorenc says:

    @debit:

    BTW, I am four generations away from Germany. My family came over packed in steerage like sardines.

    My paternal grandmother came here from Germany via Ellis Island when she was just 13 years old, as an indentured servant for the dairy farmer in southern Massachusetts who paid her steerage over, accompanied only by her 16 year old sister, who also came over as an indentured servant to a different master. Neither spoke a word of English when they arrived – I can only imagine the kind of impoverished background they came from in the southwest of Germany for their families to send them off to America unaccompanied at that young age.

    My paternal grandfather (also German) was a 20yo seaman aboard a German merchant ship carrying precious metals that was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean nearing the vicinity of Iceland on its way to Hamburg, Germany at the precise moment in 1914 that Britain declared war on Germany. The ship’s captain realized if they continued any further eastward they would likely be sunk or captured by the British navy, and immediately turned around to return to harbor in the US (which was still neutral) – another half-day eastward and they would have been too far east to outrun British navy ships. They wound up in Boston harbor, and the ship and its entire crew were effectively marooned in Boston for the duration of WW1, and my grandfather elected (wisely) to remain in the US after WW1 ended, because of the devastation the war had inflicted on the German economy. It’s a haunting thought that had WW1 broken out only a day later, I very probably would not exist.

    And yeah, even though of northern European stock, German immigrants were not hospitably welcome by a huge portion of the native-born citizenry the US in the immediate post-WW1 era

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    Kattails says:

    Let’s go back to the good old days of the witch hunts. The chief judge of one Duchy in France “boasted that he had sent nine hundred witches to their deaths and tortured many more. He sentenced the children of the convicted to be beaten with rods while they watched their mothers burned alive, then wondered aloud if he had been too lenient on the children”. From “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain. Many loved taunting the women who were on the stake, coming so close to the fires that their eyebrows were singed.
    Re-scanning the chapter called Sorcery/science: the author comments on the association of hysteria with women, yet notes that nothing women have ever believed has come close to that which “seized the most educated male elite” during the height of the European (and American) witch craze. “…men accepted as fact a phantasmagoria that defies comprehension–that little girls in pigtails, pregnant women, and weak, elderly widows posed a mortal danger to society“. And, you know, babies in cages.
    It was meant to keep women silent, to keep them cowed, to keep them from trusting one another (because of course under torture one might reveal the names of other women), to keep them in their place. Of course women did not dare accuse their rapists. Society burned its own children. The bishop of Wurzburg executed 41 girls over the course 8 years. We’re a bit far removed from this and tend to think only of Salem. It might behoove us to do a deeper reading of history right now. We talk about Nixon, about Reagan. That’s politics. The sh*t we’re dealing with goes back much further and yet is much closer than we care to admit. Primitive, visceral, hysterical.

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    Suzanne says:

    What is wrong with these people?

    Their lives suck deeply and the only way they know how to deal with that is to make other people’s lives suck more.

    I developed carpal tunnel late in my pregnancy and it still hasn’t gone away. AAAAAHHHHHHH.

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    debit says:

    @Mnemosyne: No. He would just get his news from Drudge. He is lost.

    @cmorenc: My paternal grandmother was asked, “Are you German?” to which she would reply “I’m an American!” Pretty sure she’d be ashamed of her son right now.

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    Aleta says:

    For one thing (among many), we need to get profit and investment incentive out of this. Even if some people believe it might be OK (I don’t), without government oversight and people with the guts to report, and with contracts being awarded through connections and a lowest bid system … and care standards already ignored… I fear the abuse will grow exponentially and we won’t hear about it until it’s way too late. Already the CPB (w/ reputation for lies and sadism) has put out a cover story about guards supposedly in fear of riots. What kind of organization that claims it’s protecting people would put out a defense like that ahead of any reported trouble. A very bad one. They’re already carrying weapons to protect themselves against people who’re not even allowed paper.

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    Jay says:

    @debit:

    Registered mail, $6.80

    ICE/CBD notice of revocation of Citizenship and Pending Deportaition for being the wrong kind of German Immigrant,

    Cost:Priceless.

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    HRA says:

    I am the child of an illegal immigrant originally from the Balkans with a mix of ancestry. He never spoke of his experiences. I learned about them from a great aunt and others. I have a photo of him on a Cunard liner coming to the US. By the clothing, fur and jewelry worn by his fellow passengers, I know he was in 1st class. He did make his way to WNY where an older brother had immigrated legally from Argentina. The INS came after Dad and other illegals. Dad fled to Canada, became a citizen, brought my Mom and sister there. I was born a year later. My sister married an American and Dad, Mom and I came to the US with green cards.
    I said the above as an answer to knowing my family were immigrants.
    More and most importantly I know both of my parents were descended from ancestors who passed on the legacy as I was told of respect and honor to all with a beating heart and blood running through their veins. You are to follow it and pass it on to your children.
    I do not wonder about how others act despicably towards others. I know they were not raised as I was raised and they pass it on to the next generation.

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    Aleta says:

    @Suzanne: Btw, congratulations to you and family. Francesca is such a beautiful name.

    @debit: Finney K is doing great. I’m wanting to take some pics to send you, soon I hope. He’s growing fast.

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    debit says:

    @Aleta: I am so happy to hear that!! I was going through my phone the other day looking at pictures of him and wondering how ruthlessly he was ruling your household. :)

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    eemom says:

    @Suzanne:

    Congrats on the baby! Francesca IS a lovely name. (And 9+ pounds is a big ass baby, 😳)

    wrt carpal tunnel, I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but in my case it never went away until I had surgery years later. Though on the positive side, the surgery is as minor as it gets…..especially when compared to, like, any part of childbearing or motherhood.

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    Marc McKenzie says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Perfect.

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    debbie says:

    @debit:

    Yep, two of my three brothers have been lost to me. Probably their kids too, which really saddens me.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    That is who they are 😠😠

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    Suzanne says:

    @Aleta: Awww thank you! She is just a gorgeous baby. She was over nine points at birth, and that has brought some challenges…..I have been trying to ramp up milk production very quickly because she was a little bit jaundiced and big babies apparently can have blood sugar challenges, and can lose too much weight. And this morning, we had to take her back to the pediatrician because her umbilical cord stump needed some extra care. (Apparently bigger babies have bigger cords and placentas. Who knew?) To say nothing of my own body, which is still somewhat wrecked. But she’s so lovely that I can’t get over it.

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    Aleta says:

    @Suzanne: She sounds wonderful. Hope you are getting everything you need.

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    Aleta says:

    @debit: “wondering how ruthlessly he was ruling your household”
    Here’s some clues: My partner still calls him the kraken. Finn adores the dog but we don’t leave them alone together, for the dog’s protection : )

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jeffro:
    I lived in Marin county CA for 6 yrs. It’s 80% democratic. In 2008 I worked for President Obama’s campaign at the local Democratic headquarters. There were well over 30 people minimum on site at all times when I was there. Most of the time about 60. All on their own phones, with 2 people working on updating the call sheets/database. Down the street was the republican headquarters. They had 3 people sitting there not doing a damn thing. There was one family down the street from me, real assholes. The kid, or one of the kids drove a jacked up pickup with loud pipes/big tires and an 8 foot long stars and bars flapping in the breeze. Like I said, assholes.
    This was long before drumpf was actually running. This was in an area that almost no one made a scene. This isn’t Alabama. And there is at least one family being out and proud racists.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @debbie: He blamed the Democrats because he had to. That picture will define the Trump regime as much as the My Lai massacre did for LBJ.

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    Ruckus says:

    @debit:
    The family earned it. These people don’t because they don’t like people that don’t look like them. My grandfather was racist, his son made a conscious decision not to follow his father’s footsteps and to not teach his kids racism. It worked, one generation and none of us turned out to be racists.

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