Schadenfreude Open Thread: But It’s His TURN!!!…

No doubt I will pay for this later. WORTH IT!

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    sukabi says:


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    patrick II says:

    Among some Sanders allies there is private frustration that Warren is getting credit for ideas that they believe originated with him.

    FDR may want to have a word with Bernie’s allies.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    I just hope that Sanders’ supporters vote for the Democratic candidate instead of a third party candidate next November. When it becomes obvious that he can’t win the primaries, he needs to drop out ASAP and start campaigning for and with the nominee. We can’t afford another four years of Trump.

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    Plato says:

    Scott is right. There is no TINA factor in 2020. We don’t need ‘polls experts’ Enten and Silver telling us the obvious.

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    So Bernie’s blaming some woman for his falling behind. Gee I never saw that coming.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @John Revolta: Hmmmm…. When have I seen him do that before?

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    Baud says:

    At least among people who vote in the Democratic primary, there are probably more pro-establishment progressives than anti-establishment progressives


    This is some bullshit right here, folks: “People have to decide do they want originals or do they want copies.”

    Since I didn’t care for the original, I wouldn’t want either.

    On a related note, as long as Bernie is polling second or a close third, I want Biden in the race as the front runner.

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    Baud says:

    Bernie’s notion that Warren is gaining on him b/c she’s a women is so wrong: “The idea that Americans are so eager for the coming matriarchy that it’s an obstacle for a man like Bernie is laughable, and demonstrably false”

    For the sake of correct, non-twitterish analysis, although Bernie is wrong as to why Warren is gaining, this is also wrong. The relevant population isn’t Americans, but Democrats, and Democrats are more likely than Americans generally to be eager for the coming matriarchy.

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    For the sake of correct, non-twitterish analysis

    What fun is that?

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    Among some Sanders allies there is private frustration that Warren is getting credit for ideas that they believe originated with him.

    This has been one of the most obnoxious traits of the far left since the 2016 election. Hillary was already the most liberal candidate we’ve had at least since Carter, and Sanders was only to the left of her on a few economic issues – where his positions were really just slogans. These assholes decided that Sanders was singlehandedly responsible for any progressive Democratic Party positions, and they still push that line. It ties into their deranged belief in an imaginary Democratic Party that is dominated by the Third Way (they mention that organization/philosophy SO MUCH) and whose policies are pretty close to the Republican Party.

    The thing is, they could get headway on that against Hillary because the media absolutely refused to ever talk about Hillary’s positions, a policy so widespread even a lot of folks here didn’t know how liberal she was. The media suckered themselves into covering Warren, thinking she would shit on the Democratic Party. Now the Berniebros can only float that line of reasoning among themselves.

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    JPL says:

    Some of us are just tired of old white men.

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    tobie says:

    I’m not supporting either Warren or Sanders, so I hope the fight among their supporters over who can claim the mantle of the left, leaves space for Gillibrand, Harris, or Klobuchar to break through. Of the male candidates, I’m supporting Beto and Booker.

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    David Fud says:

    Warren’s “I have a plan for that” is genius in the face of press preferring horse race coverage because the first instinct of such a claim is to ask, “ok, what is your plan?” If Clinton were in the race they would go straight to email servers, and Bernie would get his usual free pass to wave his magic wand and claim he could solve it without a significant plan that Warren brings.

    Warren has earned her place in the polls, and she has worked hard for it. She isn’t who I have initially picked to be my preferred candidate but she, like in the polls, has increased her standing significantly with me. And Bernie claiming credit for her work? Ha! Democrats that are around before and after the primary know the real thing when they see it and have given her support. The blow everything up, fair weather Democrats will have to decide after Bernie loses again on whether Trump really is a better alternative than the D nominee. I hope they stick around this time.

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    satby says:

    I love the smell of roasted Bernie in the morning.

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    satby says:

    @tobie: out of your list of five, only Harris is a contender. It’s early, and things might change, but most of the others will be gone after the first primary, if not earlier.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Can I steal that?

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: with my compliments 😊

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    tobie says:

    @satby: @OzarkHillbilly: I’m happy to be the minority on this site! For me Warren’s policies simply do not add up. I’ve read as widely as I could on all the candidates and based my decision on who I think would do the most to improve life in the US and repair relations abroad.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: Well in that case, I don’t fucking want it. It’s not stealing if it’s given. You’re supposed to say “Hell NO!” but then I steal it anyway and get points for false politeness too. Get with the program here, woman.

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    Jim Parish says:


    Hillary was already the most liberal candidate we’ve had at least since Carter

    I distinctly remember an article, during Carter’s tenure, describing him as “the most conservative Democratic president since Grover Cleveland”. (Given that the intervening Democrats were Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ, the writer may have had a point.)

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄 😄😄

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Blech.

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    satby says:

    @tobie: I just don’t see what Gillibrand and or Klobuchar bring to the table that’s a unique selling point from the other Dems polling higher. I distinctly remember when people on this site disliked Booker for being inauthentic and an attention hound (I like him, BTW, but I like Harris and Warren more); and Beto, like Pete, is really running to get a cabinet or VP nod IMO.
    We’ll see how it shakes out.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning 😊

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    eclare says:

    @JPL: Amen

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    Z says:

    This is so lame. Warren was lobbying on financial legislation over 20 years ago. She had real influence over the 2001 and 2005 bankruptcy bills even though they ultimately passed. She was blogging about this stuff before most influential politicians figured out the Internet was useful for anything other than fundraising at TPM. And of course the CFPB and related legislation after the crisis. She made more of a difference for fighting for the interests of people who aren’t wealthy while she was out of office than Sanders ever did while he was in office. This is all stuff with about zero support in either party in Congress.

    Sanders leaned heavily on Elizabeth Warren’s criticisms of the 2001 and 2005 bankruptcy bills to attack Clinton (even though Clinton voted against the 2005 bill). Warren was way, way ahead of him on this. Warren’s always been and is still to the right of Sanders on the extent to which America should socialize medicine/insurance, finance, and education and I dunno that she shifted much at all and certainly hasn’t been following Sanders. She’s always been ahead of Sanders on practical regulatory changes that make peoples’ lives better.

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    Chyron HR says:

    If I were Bernie I’d be asking my advisors how in the hell I’m only getting 17% of the vote


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    tobie says:

    @satby: with the exception of Obama in 2008 and Hillary in 2016, I’ve never voted for any candidate in the primary who became the party’s nominee. That’s life.

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    satby says:

    @tobie: I kind of was hoping for what about your chosen candidates you see as their unique strengths setting them apart.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    I distinctly remember when people on this site disliked Booker for being inauthentic and an attention hound

    I’m one of them, tho I wouldn’t say I dislike him because of that (don’t all politicians engage in that kind of behavior at least a little bit?) more like that ain’t enough. I admit it is probably unfair to him, but outside of the REDEEM act I haven’t seen a whole lot to dispel that first impression, which again is probably unfair to him as he’s a member of the minority in Turtle’s Senate. He has a chance to change this Misery DEM voter’s impression now, but so far he’s not getting much play. I’m not gonna bother watching the debates but if he does something to really shine maybe he’ll get some play in the news the next day. Maybe not.

    Not necessarily fair to him, but lot’s of things aren’t fair.

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    J R in WV says:

    We never lost power in the storms night before last, but between here and town 7500 people and lots of businesses and stop lights are dark still. pain in the butt to drive into town, and what you need to do may be dark too!!

    Saw hundreds of trees dropped into major power links yesterday afternoon, multiple crews from Ohio working local outages. Would like run traditional errands but hesitate while lights are out on the freeways.

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    J R in WV says:

    I’ll try to watch the “debates”, but no way I’m gonna watch ANY of the pre-show shows. What could be worse, newsies in a fake show to talk about the fake show coming up? OMG~!!~

    And who thot it was a good think to allow Chuck Todd even in the arena for a debate — mister never asked a followup questions evah?

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    Sherparick says:

    @tobie: Neither Beto or Booker have struck me as ready for prime time. Warren has won my heart & mind. Of the guys Castro & Inslee have made an impression. Sanders & his bro gang Marxist fetish about class as the only “real” consciousness drive me crazy.

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    Mezz says:

    : “For me Warren’s policies simply do not add up.”

    But that ONLY applies to Warren? I call B.S. Or maybe just because she has put forth actual plans and proposals? Granted the policies will face an uphill climb to become enacted, but this seems … facile. Especially considering your declared support for Beto.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @patrick II: Franklin’s cousin Theodore, too.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    Bernie’s claims feel like vaporware. He’s made these just you wait and just watch what I’ll do projection for decades. None of which have materialized and it’s always someone else’s fault.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: You so nailed that dynamic. If I hear/read one more time that “Bernie pushed Hillary and Dems to the left” one more time I’m going to scream. I believe she also had comprehensive plan for student debt.

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    Kathleen says:

    @satby: Tee hee.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @John Revolta: He seems to be under the impression that if Warren were eliminated all her supporters would flock to him. As one of her supporters, I can tell you this is not necessarily the case. I’ve got 4 other preferences ahead of Bernie.

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    LightCastle says:

    @Kathleen: There is one aspect of that where I will let that narrative slide, though, and that is in terms of the public conversation. Because people were desperate to give him coverage as the contender to Hillary, they gave him a platform. And say what you will, Bernie talks unabashedly about these ideas, Having him in the race did force the news to acknowledge that people were drawn to these ideas – that “socialist” wasn’t the scary word it once was for the public, that bolder goals wouldn’t be laughed off. Sure, those policies were already kicking around the Democratic ecosystem, but as Frankensteinbeck said, they were never going to cover that side of Clinton’s message and policies. So I do think he broke open that door, by being in the right place at the right time.

    But the idea that he singlehandedly pushed the Democrats to the left even though none of them wanted to go there… that narrative can go burn in a fire.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    Harris deserves to be leading Biden and Sanders. I’m happy with Warren doing this well, but would rather see Harris contending with her.

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    kindness says:

    Bernie is a crank and his core folk aren’t much better. These supporters loudly pissing about other Democrats.

    Yea, that how Hillary got pummeled by both sides of the aisle in 2016. Those cranks.

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    Kathleen says:

    @LightCastle: I contend that 2016 news coverage had nothing to do with covering policies. Media wanted to destroy Clinton and didn’t cover her policies. Their coverage of Sanders was relegated to how well Bernie was helping them destroy Clinton. Not his policies.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Wilmer can take a flying leap into a pool filled with frenzied piranha.

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