First DNC Debate Liveblog

The Guardian‘s liveblog is here — that’s probably how I’ll be following along:

In terms of what we can expect our diez Democrats to discuss tonight, the DNC has promised questions about the climate crisis, which were conspicuously absent from the presidential debates in 2016.

Many of the candidates have said they support the ambitious Green New Deal, but some of the more centrist types – including Biden – are holding off. Also expect quizzing on healthcare, a real point of differentiation where some contenders support Medicare for All, some are only up for improving Obamacare, and others are somewhere in the middle.

The DNC has been at pains to promote this as a more serious debate than we have seen from Republicans in recent times, which won’t be difficult, and expect other big topics such as college fees, student loans, impeachment and, given the current situation at the border: immigration policy…

NBC.com’s liveblog is here (they’re sponsoring the debate, in partnership with MSNBC and Telemundo.

May the best woman candidate win!






272 replies
  1. 1
    dmsilev says:

    I for one intend to follow it via Trump’s Twitter feed. What could possibly go wrong?

  2. 2
    Mary G says:

    I like Warren’s purple jacket – no pandering to flag humpers.

  3. 3
    Baud says:

    Go Team 1.

  4. 4
    Duane says:

    There’s a middle between Medicare fo all and Obamacare? Don’t get off in the weeds. Pick one and go with it. May the best plan win, but rethugs thrive on dissension. Basically by lying. Stay on point.

  5. 5

    I’m gonna tune in on one of the YouTube streams. If it doesn’t hold me after a half hour, I’ll probably wander off and watch Evangelion.

  6. 6
    dmsilev says:

    @Major Major Major Major: MSNBC has a stream on their site..

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    Barbara says:

    @Duane: Buying in to Medicare while leaving other options alone.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I made it through 5 seconds of Warren. I’ll have to get it via your reactions. This makes me too nervous.

    None of them can beat Trump.

  9. 9

    @dmsilev: i don’t have MSNBC’s site on my roku, though.

    @zhena gogolia: calm down!

  10. 10
    zhena gogolia says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I know everyone will jump on me, but she makes me nervous.

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    Mary G says:

    Beto breaks into Spanish and takes too long.

  12. 12
    Kent says:

    My wife, who is Chilean, was totally turned off by Beto’s canned pandering in Spanish. Data point of one.

  13. 13
    Raven says:

    @Major Major Major Major: sign up for the free trial of YouTube tv

  14. 14

    These questions are garbage, but like, entertaining popcorn TV I guess.

    @Raven: I’m watching it on my tv’s YouTube app.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    “So, 70 percent?“
    Christ, what an asshole.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mary G: “Takes too long” is endemic in these debates.

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    Mike in DC says:

    I hate moderators who are just trying to get the candidates to go after each other.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Oh great, another “let’s you and him/her fight” format. Le sigh.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Ben Cisco: “I’d return us to the tax rates of the 1950s” and leave it at that….

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    Baud says:

    I take it no one has set Chuck Todd’s beard on fire yet. #MissedOpportunity

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    chopper says:

    if there ain’t any climate questions there better as fuck be some climate answers.

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    Raven says:

    Courage. What makes a King out of a slave? Courage.

    What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage.

    What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist or the dusky dusk?

    What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage.

    What makes the Sphinx the 7th Wonder? Courage.

    What makes the dawn come up like THUNDER?! Courage.

    What makes the Hottentot so hot?

    What puts the “ape” in ape-ricot?

    Whatta they got that I ain’t got?

  23. 23
    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: The opportunity hasn’t come up yet. As I understand it, he doesn’t come in until the second hour.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Good answer from Castro.

  25. 25
    Raven says:

    Fuck you tulsi

  26. 26
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Kent: I also thought “¡cállate, puta!” was the wrong tone

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @dmsilev: And Guthrie wouldn’t have a clue. Well played.

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    Soprano2 says:

    It was a mistake not to let them make opening statements. I hate that Booker didn’t answer the question.

  29. 29
    Doug R says:

    What’s with all the streaming? I’m watching in HD on my TV on my local NBC station KING-TV. Support local business and all that.

  30. 30
    Ben Cisco says:

    @Raven: Right? Does she know where she is?

  31. 31
    Baud says:

    @Raven:

    Did she say something or are you just practicing?

  32. 32
    dmsilev says:

    I hope that at the end of this debate, we get to vote on which two candidates get shoved off the boat. Right now, I’m voting for deBlassio and Gabbard to get booted.

  33. 33
    Raven says:

    @Baud: 9 fucking 11

  34. 34
    Immanentize says:

    @Ben Cisco:
    Hello. Always nice to see your nym. I hope you are managing?

  35. 35
    Doug R says:

    Jay Inslee with UNIONS!
    And wind turbines!

  36. 36
    Kent says:

    @Steve in the ATL: pinches gringos

  37. 37

    @Doug R: some of us don’t have antennas…

  38. 38
    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: Tulsiani

  39. 39
    japa21 says:

    Not qwatching. Will catch later reviews. But any candidate that says he/she supports “Medicare for All” without defining it drops greatly in my esteem.

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    Kent says:

    @dmsilev: and that Congressman from Ohio.

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    Baud says:

    @Raven:

    Oooh, the Guliani maneuver.

  42. 42
    dmsilev says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Genetic engineering will solve that for you. Also, a free prehensile tail if you call now.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Immanentize: Thanks, I am doing OK. I hope you are as well. . Most everything is good, and I’m working on the things that are not.

    Going to need a beverage to get through this show.

  44. 44
    plato says:

    Go tim ryan….

    Too soon?

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    mak says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Look for NBC News (not MSNBC). It’s there.

  46. 46

    Ooh, industrial policy.

    @dmsilev: ahha ha.

  47. 47
    Jeffro says:

    5/8 of them are too wound up

    7/8 of them agree on 95% of the issues

    Calling it now: “Liz and the Midgets”

  48. 48
    Immanentize says:

    @Kent: Fuck him.
    Dago red wine Ryan

  49. 49
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    the horizontal hold is off on my Philco, and I gotta get some tin foil to fix the rabbit ears

  50. 50
    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud:

    Did she say something or are you just practicing?

    I have missed you!

  51. 51
    Doug R says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Most of Canada gets crappy reception, which is why Canada embraced cable TV, to watch American tv.

  52. 52
    Ben Cisco says:

    @Jeffro: PHRASING!

  53. 53
    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Where have I been?

  54. 54
    Baud says:

    @Ben Cisco:

    Liz and the Little People?

  55. 55
    Immanentize says:

    @Ben Cisco:
    First you get through it.
    Then you get by.
    At least that is my arc. Ride the Defiant whenever possible.

  56. 56
    WaterGirl says:

    I’m about 10 minutes behind in the debate. Now that you’ve mentioned Tulsi, I know where I can make up my time, whenever she talks. I don’t even know who a couple of these guys are.

    I like Castro’s answer, also.

  57. 57
    Immanentize says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: You should have spent for the Admiral.

  58. 58
    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I’m the one who’s been gone. :-)

  59. 59
    Betty Cracker says:

    I’m biased, but so far, I think Warren is killing it.

  60. 60
    Mike in DC says:

    Warren winning the authenticity battle hands down so far.

  61. 61
    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl:

    You’re doing the Lord’s work. Looking forward to your return full-time.

  62. 62

    Oh dang, crosstalk, is that allowed?

  63. 63
    WaterGirl says:

    Ugh, Tim Ryan. Apologies to anyone here who likes him.

  64. 64
    Baud says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Who’s winning congeniality?

  65. 65
    Mary G says:

    Bill de Blasio interrupts Beto very rudely.

  66. 66
    Jeffro says:

    @Ben Cisco: @Baud: LOL

    Annnnd now we’re into the unrestrained arguing part…

  67. 67
    Soprano2 says:

    Well they got what they wanted – a fight.

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    dmsilev says:

    Who on God’s green Earth cares about Tulsi Gabbard’s views on medical insurance?

    Or anything else, to be sure.

  69. 69

    @Soprano2: Honestly, we’re going to have to fight about healthcare some time before the election, we might as well start now.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Doing stuff around the house and not watching, but I walked through the room where the non-politics-junkie Mrs G&T was watching, as SPW came on the tube. The Mrs said “I like her.” I replied “so do I.”

    Of lengthy and deep conversations such as these is a long and happy marriage made.

  71. 71
    Immanentize says:

    @WaterGirl: Hate him!

  72. 72
    West of the Rockies says:

    Delaney? Ryan? DeBlasio? Go home. Do good work on a smaller stage. You’re not ready for your close-ups.

  73. 73
    Doug R says:

    @dmsilev: Vlad cares

  74. 74
    Betty Cracker says:

    De Blasio seems like an an asshole. Delaney reminds me of a guy who cornered me at a party once and caused me to experience existential despair.

  75. 75
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mary G: Bill de Blasio is an asshole.

  76. 76
    MomSense says:

    @Ben Cisco:

    I’m having beverages and skipping the show. I figure I’ll catch the highlights (Warren!) later.

    It’s a beautiful night in Portland Maine. People are out walking and sitting in sidewalk cafes and bars. I’m listening to my kid’s band play.

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    Jeffro says:

    @dmsilev: 🙌🏻

  78. 78
    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Or Satan’s, depending on how you feel about the new site. :-) But I’m hopeful

    Is the lighting shitty at this debate? Everybody looks really pale, kind of like they are all recovering from the flu.

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    Jeffro says:

    @West of the Rockies: I’ll keep the lady in the middle wearing purple and the rest can keep on keepin’ on…

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    Sounds like you made the right choice.

  81. 81
    gwangung says:

    I’m having beverages and skipping the show. I figure I’ll catch the highlights (Warren!) later.

    Well, I’m indulging in the snarkiness that’s littering the internets…

  82. 82
    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: He’s better if you fast forward through him.

  83. 83

    @West of the Rockies:

    DeBlasio? Go home.

    No, no, Florida can keep him.

  84. 84
    MomSense says:

    @WaterGirl:

    It’s going to be just right. We all appreciate your hard work!
    💪🏻

  85. 85
    jl says:

    I’m watching for who bloviates and who talks policy.
    Klobuchar OK even though I disagree with her.
    Warren is A plus
    Beto bloviates. Will be interesting if his polls go up or down after his bullshit health care answer.
    Delaney claims to be a businessperson but he doesn’t know much about business or economics.
    OK, don’t like Gabbard but at least she is saying something.
    Booker OK, half way between the dorks Beto-Delaney and Warren.

    If other voters are like me Klobuchar’s and Warren’s polls go up, the goofball guys’ go down.
    All the male candidates are unimpressive compared to the the better women candidates this cycle.

    Edit: Warren is great. From what I’ve heard so far, she is making a great impression. Clear concise excellent explanations and rationales.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl:

    depending on how you feel about the new site

    I’ll hate it, but only as a matter of principle.

  88. 88
    Soprano2 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s true, it’s a good discussion, better than a faux “debate”.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: I’m not watching, this is just general NYC knowledge.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @MomSense: Sounds like you’re having a more pleasant evening than most! I might have to take a debate break soon because a thunderstorm is coming. Gotta go sit on the porch and watch that.

  91. 91
    Kent says:

    DeBlasio? My wife says his picture should be up there in Webster’s under “Mansplaining”

  92. 92
    Steve in the ATL says:

    I caught a snippet of hate radio earlier somewhere between Ruby Falls and Rock City (I wish I were kidding). The RWNJ was apoplectic over something Andrew “Who?” Yang said about gun control. “The second amendment is clear!” (Note: it’s not) “I don’t know who Andrew Yang is” (fair enough) “but he shouldn’t get to decide whether I can have a gun!”

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up locally sourced, artisanal moonshine.

    Steve in Appalachia

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    dmsilev says:

    OK, commercial break. When we come back, the Jeopardy round in which all answers must be phrased in the form of a question.

  94. 94
    Doug R says:

    They’re getting to the kids….

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    Love me some Liz.
    Impressed by Castro.
    Gabbard is an idiot.
    /sips drink/

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    Mary G says:

    Warren’s lapping everyone else, they all sound like the are operating like tape recorders spewing out focus group pap, and are dull.

  97. 97
    Betty Cracker says:

    Castro is good.

  98. 98
    NotMax says:

    Only in the long shot, O’Rourke looks like a high schooler not quite adjusted to a new “don’t worry, you’ll grow into it” suit.

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    dmsilev says:

    Good answer from Castro.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: You guys are very kind. Thank you.

    Who is the guy who is asking Castro a question right now?

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    Soprano2 says:

    I hate the Spanish stop it!

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    WaterGirl says:

    I’m really liking Castro.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Tom Nichols @ RadioFreeTom
    Congressman Delaney is giving a good GOP primary speech. Hell, even I see that. Nice, but not a winning Dem primary message.

    I am vaguely aware that Delaney was a short-time congressman, I’m pretty sure a Dem, from Maryland?

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    Tazj says:

    @dmsilev: Yes, I think he’s been good in addition to Warren and Klobuchar.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Immanentize: May the Prophets guide your path. In Valen’s name.

    How’s that for crossing streams?

  107. 107
    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes. He announced his run early in 2017.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    De Blasio is just awful. Go the fuck home!

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Jeffro:

    I’d be okay with that, but Booker and Castro, Klobuchar and Inslee seem like they something to contribute on some level.

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    Mike in DC says:

    Are we going to get a foreign policy question at some point? Or a direct question about climate change?

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    dmsilev says:

    @WaterGirl: Jose Diaz-Balart from Telemundo.

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    Kent says:

    My Chilean wife says Hispanic twitter is going crazy with all the gringos trying to speak Spanish. “WTF was that. A Klingon accent?” Was one tweet about Booker’s attempt

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    NotMax says:

    B-J site intermittently going bonkers as to display?

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @MomSense: An evening well spent indeed.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    The dick measuring portion of the debate will be awkward.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Beto seems nervous and out of his league.

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    Mike in DC says:

    This is a disaster for Beto.

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    Baud says:

    @Kent:

    ¡Ay caramba!

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I am trying to pretend I don’t have any background knowledge of any of them. I figure a lot of people are that way.

    It’s discombobulating to me that Gabbard seems more in control of herself than Warren. I like Booker and Klobuchar more than I thought I would. Beto is annoying me by going over his time.

    Shame on Castro for attacking Beto.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I like what the Telemundo moderation is bringing to the questioning.

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    Mary G says:

    Castro’s growing on me, except mentioning Section 13255 of the immigration, not once, not twice, possibly even more. Beto needs to GTFO.

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    NotMax says:

    Castro and O’Rourke both wearing the same tie?

    Oh noes!

    :)

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    WaterGirl says:

    Am I the only person who can’t edit a comment?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    The blog seems to be broken.

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    dmsilev says:

    @WaterGirl: I hear through the rumor mill that there’s a new site coming…

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @WaterGirl: WaterGirl? How are you?

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    @NotMax: the CDN is having certificate problems.

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    Jeffro says:

    @West of the Rockies: I hear you, but
    – why would one bother with Booker when one can have Castro?
    – why would one bother with Klobuchar when one can have Warren?
    – Inslee…brings absolutely nothing to the table that the rest of these folks don’t already believe/support

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    Suzanne says:

    I can’t stand de Blasio. I am liking O’Rourke on immigration. I find Klobuchar to be really uninspiring and both-sidesy but I am trying to get over that.

    Came home today just after lunch. The kids just can’t get enough of Spawn the Youngest. Our Luna is definitely adjusting to having a new member of the pack. When the baby cries, Luna immediately goes over to Mr. Suzanne or myself and starts moaning/squeaking and tries to lead us over to the baby. It’s so sweet.

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    Mary G says:

    Warren’s been shut down a while, because the men yell over each other and ignore the time limits.

  131. 131
    Baud says:

    @Suzanne:

    Oh, congrats! I missed the news of the birth.

  132. 132
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So I’ve heard. I live in Maryland but never heard of him before. He must not be paying attention because Democrats aren’t interested in a DINO right about now.

  133. 133
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Suzanne: Hey, congrats, Momma. Hope you and Spawn III are well.

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    Argiope says:

    @WaterGirl: meanwhile, I’m being given the option to edit other people’s comments. Not to worry, I’ll use my powers for good.

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    Doug R says:

    @Jeffro: Inslee has done stuff ALREADY.

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    jl says:

    IMHO, some of the guys come off as desperate to make an impression and up their poll numbers. Seems like they came over prepared with bloviation lines that are too long for the time limit. Then they panic because they realize they haven’t said anything (while Warren and Klobuchar have said something). and they filibuster and talk over other people. Hope these guys go away after first couple of debates.

    Right now Booker half way between the sad Beto and Warren.

    Commenter above said odd the Gabbard seems more in control than Warren. I think Warren comes off as both very informed, organized and clear, but also committed and passionate. Given that we have no clue what is really going on Gabbards head, no telling whether her eerie impression of control is a good or a bad thing.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ben Cisco:
    Immanentize approved!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @dmsilev: It’s true!

    @Omnes Omnibus: I wonder if it’s me. The current server knows what’s coming.

    @Ben Cisco: I have been busy, but well, and I have been missing all of you lately.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Suzanne: Congratulations! Hope everyone is doing well.

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    Mary G says:

    @Suzanne: Spawn Three is so exciting, and Luna is adorable.

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    MomSense says:

    @Suzanne:

    Congratulations!!!! 🎈🎊🎉

    I missed this happy news. Hope you are sneaking in some rest.

  143. 143
    Ohio Mom says:

    @Suzanne: So happy for you and your family!

    Also, are your sinuses back to normal? (crosses fingers)

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Steve in the ATL: In my youth, Rock City was a major attraction, with whole barns dedicated to publicizing it. Aren’t you lucky, to be near by.

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    Soprano2 says:

    Oh the stupid “day one” question. Gee, reporters, can’t you be more creative than that?

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Suzanne: I missed that the kiddo had spawned! Congrats!

    We had the same experience with our youngest. My other daughter was all over being a big sister and the cats were both very concerned for and about the new baby

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    jl says:

    Good thing is that every candidate is good at navigating the corporate hack news actors’ attempts at biased framing.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Suzanne:
    Hooray. And Luna is a good girl.

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    Baud says:

    @jl:

    That is heartening to hear.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Soprano2:

    Gee, reporters, can’t you be more creative than that?

    Available evidence suggests “no”.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Suzanne:

    Congratulations!

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    plato says:

    FUBAR blog.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Suzanne: Congratulations – bebbies are the best.

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    Baud says:

    @Soprano2:

    Sleep in and take something for my hangover.

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    Mary G says:

    OK, Tulsi got a good one in with “this president and his chickenhawk cabinet,” then stepped on it by going long with more boilerplate.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Argiope: hahahahaha

    @Suzanne: Oh my gosh, I missed that you had the baby already! So happy. When my niece was born, my sister’s cocker spaniel would lie down right by the crib and kept watch over the baby every minute of every day. Instant devotion. I agree with you, so sweet.

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    Kent says:

    Take from my living room?

    Booker, Castro, Warren, and Insley are gaining.

    The rest? Meh. Klobuchar’s attempt to be the sensible grownup in the room isn’t really playing well for me.

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    Immanentize says:

    On day one I intend to fully explore the resolute toilet.

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    dmsilev says:

    Rachel Maddow coming up as a moderator. Also, Chuck Todd. Hopefully someone will take Baud’s suggestion upthread and set Todd’s beard on fire.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    @NotMax: Not intermittently, continuously here on Fireyfox. All picture links broken and Mozilla has a stern warning up about stackpath. Oooh dearie me.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @dmsilev: It’s a dumb question. How about “What are your three top priorities for your first year?”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Reading through the comments, it seems that a lot of people are liking the people they liked before and finding problems with the candidates with whom they had problems before. It was also interesting to see that Castro was the first to go after one of the other candidates and that it was an intra-Texas thing.

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    NotMax says:

    What time is the swimsuit competition?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Doug R: great, good for him

    😴

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Tomorrow will be better when we can all hate Bernie as one.

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    Barbara says:

    @TomatoQueen: It seems to be working on chrome.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @Baud: I wish one of them would say that!

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    plato says:

    Just as the moderators ask a question about the migrant father and child who died this week in the water trying to cross the border, Trump tweets "BORING!"— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 27, 2019

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: See, he’s a unifier!

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    Immanentize says:

    @dmsilev:
    Well, there is no longer any hair to set on fire. Poor fellow. And to increase the catty quotient — I had no idea how little he is. How short. Wee in fact. Until I saw the photo of the moderators in the Times. I wonder if he has a little Hobbit winky as well.

    Or just a regular sized Hobbit winky.

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    Mary G says:

    Dear Dog, let’s not go to Chuck and Rachel and say we did.

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    Alain says:

    I’m deleting and rebuilding the cache to see if that helps purge whatever crap is clogging some of y’all’s tubes.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Chuck Motherfucking Todd. Yuck. Why is he even here?

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    dmsilev says:

    Someone in the audio control room hates Chuck Todd. Anonymous audio tech, we stand with you!

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    chris says:

    @Suzanne: Congratulations!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Soprano2:
    Are you a Summer? Or a Winter?

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    Well that’s a lot more embarrassing than the error the site is having!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    I am vaguely familiar with Samantha Savannah Guthrie’s name, but can’t say I really know her. Is she always this vapid, or is she making a special effort for the debate?

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    NotMax says:

    Technical difficulties. Sound engineer must have dashed out for a potty break.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Suzanne: Awww… ; )

    How you feeling, mama?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Okay, so WaterGirl broke the blog, and now Maddow and Todd broke the debate. WTFF?

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Immanentize: “So tiny. And petty.”

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    Leto says:

    @Suzanne: Congratulations!!!

    As soon as Chuck Todd speaks, everything goes to shit. So appropriate.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, I think if you’re all in for Warren, she can do no wrong. I’m trying to look at her from the Average Voter’s point of view, and I’m not sold. But then I’m not watching, after the first 5 seconds.

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    Barbara says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes. Always this vapid but the kind of person whose emptiness shines more brightly when she makes an extra effort to be serious.

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    Mary G says:

    And the sound guys hate Chuck SO MUCH they’re playing other people backstage over him. Wouldn’t stop and they had to go to commercial.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Ohio Mom: Sinuses are quickly returning to normal. Not 100% of the way there, but definitely better.

    Youngest was born at 11:19 AM yesterday. We got some FABULOUS news today….while she was in utero, it was observed on ultrasound that she had a hole in the ventricular septum and it was suspected that she would need open heart surgery. However, it wasn’t known, because she wasn’t done developing and it is hard to see that level of detail on fetal ultrasound. Anyway, they did an echocardiogram this morning and I got a call from the pediatric cardiologist saying that it appears that it has totally resolved and that no surgery is necessary. WOOT!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Is she always this vapid,

    Yes.

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    jl says:

    Looks like the miserable Todd, gazillionaire ignorant corporate hack news actor couldn’t figure out how to find a way to be fair and give each candidate a chance to answer the same question? Did I hear that right? IF so, good to know he is either incompetent or a miserable biased hack with an agenda.

    Todd is on my shit list. I saw a clip of that goof delivering a BS outraged bothsidesdoit commentary on the AOC concentration camp flap. If he doesn’t know that the term ‘concentration camp’ far predates the Nazi era he is too ignorant and incompetent to deliver local entertainment news. If he does know he is a dishonest hack.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Always.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I was expecting Beto and Klobuchar, neither of whom I care for, to be doing a lot better. I was expecting Warren, who I like a lot, to be worse. Not that it contradicts your theory, exactly.

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    @Immanentize: Mr. Immanentize, attorneys for the vertically challenged are on line 1.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Suzanne:

    no surgery is necessary.

    That’s wonderful news.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Okay, it’s 10:05 ET and I’m closing the BJ thread and turning off the computer. You’ll have to let me know tomorrow if that helped.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Tulsi Gabbard @ TulsiGabbard
    It’s clear who MSNBC wants to be president: Elizabeth Warren. They’re giving her more time than all the other candidates combined. They aren’t giving any time to Tulsi at all. -V (Tulsi’s sister)

    Good

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    @Alain: Bless you. Because right now the site looks like it was built in 1999. I’m expecting a dancing hampster to show up any minute.

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    Mary G says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Not sure, but isn’t she a morning show person and being vapid goes with the job?

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    Kent says:

    Blog is working for me. I’m using Safari on an iPad.

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    @Alain: I hear that Mexican food will clean out the tubes.

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    NotMax says:

    I swear if someone asks Gabbard “How about the weather today?” she’ll start off with “Well, compared to the weather when I was serving in the military in Iraq….”

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    Immanentize says:

    @Suzanne: Woot indeed. Damn.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mary G:

    She was one of the people who had to break the news about Matt Lauer to a grieving nation.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @zhena gogolia: That is just how I feel.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    @Barbara: Also, sidegirl replacement to Ann Curry, gushed all over Matt Lauer, back in those innocent sorry days. Reminds me of Princess Beatrice.

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    patrick II says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I think Beto is the candidate both Castro and De Blasio think they must step over if they want to hang around. They both interrupted and talked over him.

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    Kent says:

    Good answer from Booker on guns

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    Barbara says:

    @NotMax: A noun, a verb, and . . . It becomes tedious no matter how admirable it is.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @patrick II:

    WHY DOES DE BLASIO THINK ANYONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR HIM FOR PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE?????

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    Mary G says:

    Cory doing well on guns.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Suzanne: Yes, WOOT! And whew!

    I know two babies who needed that surgery. They did fine but not what you want to live through.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Booker taking a blowtorch to tots and pears. Nice.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    @Barbara: Trying Chrome now.

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    Immanentize says:

    He seems to have prospered. I am just reporting relative heights. But I am sure Chuck Todd feels like he is suffering micro aggresions all the time at like 7,000$ per hour.

    ETA. Why do you hate Hobbits?

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    Leto says:

    @Suzanne: That’s awesome news! Glad the sinuses are returning to normal. It’s always nice to just… breath :)

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    Kay says:

    I think Kolbachur is having a good night. You cannot rattle her, which I find very appealing.

    Also- did not know that Castro hates Beto :)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I was expecting Beto and Klobuchar, neither of whom I care for,

    I like Klobuchar, but I think she came in with the idea that she was going to be the anti-Bernie and get the VSP to swoon for her. I don’t care for Bernie, but I think Klobuchar took the wrong way from the get-go

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    jl says:

    Todd takes too far far too long bloviating out crap framing for a debate where each candidate has such little time to talk.
    If my blood pressure prevents me from getting through this, it will be moronic ass Chuck Todd and his infuriating shit eating gap.

    Looks like Todd pissed off Warren enough for her to really lose control and filibuster.

    I hate this crap of not allowing each candidate to answer the same candidate. Looks the pissant Todd (and Maddow?) thought it was a great idea. I think especially bad approach when each candidate has such a short time to respond.

    And now Maddow, not noted for brevity, starts talking too much for her question too.. Maddow and Todd together may not be the best pairing.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I had no real expectations for Booker, but he is coming across as fiery and engaged.

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    @TaMara (HFG):

    I’m expecting a dancing hampster to show up any minute.

    That’s in the site update, you’re spoiling the surprise.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @Immanentize: I’m a summer, actually.

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    Kay says:

    I feel like Tim Ryan is contributing by attacking Trump. Maybe keep him around a bit just for that.

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    Mary G says:

    I just realized: Beto talks like the missing third character of Bill & Ted.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) June 27, 2019

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    jl says:

    @jl: Chuck Todd and his infuriating shit eating gape..

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    Immanentize says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: how can Tulsi tweet that while she is on stage? Seems like she is ready for the Presidency of tweets.

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    dmsilev says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I trust there will be a shortcut button for the blink tag.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I hope one of them takes a swing at Todd. “Well, Chuck, one thing that helps the president is unprepared interviewers who let him steamroll them with lies and word salads…”

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    rikyrah says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    😊😊😊😊😊

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    chris says:

    Toad trying to get someone, anyone, to say that they’ll take guns away from people. Who’s paying him?

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    Mary G says:

    @Suzanne: Excellent news!

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    Kay says:

    @jl:

    He doesn’t understand gun buy backs- his own question. Well prepared as usual.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Immanentize: Hands hidden behind the podium?

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    Soprano2 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Me too! We can dream……

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    Kay says:

    @jl:

    Todd doesn’t understand gun buy backs- his own question. Well prepared as usual.

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay: Tim Ryan can deliver stinging blows. His anti-Iraq war speeches could have lit fires. It’s his saving grace. Whereas, his everyman schtick wears thin.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    “Minnesota Kind” was the wrong move for our moment

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    NotMax says:

    Thing to contemplate during the next commercial break: which of the men could pull off wearing a purple jacket a la Warren?

    :)

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    Jeffro says:

    Yes…gun confiscation…the burning issue of our times…

    I like the occasional focus on the need to take back the Senate

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Alain:

    The formatting breakdown seems to be triggered only when you refresh a page, not when you first open it, at least for me (Firefox on Win10).

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    Kent says:

    Booker is growing on me. Great answers on guns and SCOTUS. It is a team game and everyone needs to help get us to 50 and beyond.

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    Jeffro says:

    DeBlasio about to earn a special place in hell here

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    rikyrah says:

    @Suzanne:
    awe. Luna😍😍

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @dmsilev:

    I think somebody said it was her sister.

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    geg6 says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Nope, that’s all her.

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    Keith P. says:

    I’m starting to warm up to Booker. He does better in this format than interviews. And “FLOTUS Rosario Dawson-Booker” has a nice ring to it.

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    Mary G says:

    I get the feeling that I’m not the only woman watching certain men talking over each other and using too much time, while the women only get a word in when the moderator asks a question.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Hmm, when I posted that comment the page came back with proper formatting—which went away again when I refreshed. Go figure.

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    Suzanne says:

    De Blasio sux.
    No more Cletus safaris.

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    geg6 says:

    @Suzanne:

    By the way, congratulations on new baby Spawn! Yay! Breathing better, I hope.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Suzanne:
    So happy for you and no surgery🙏🙏

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Well, that nice little thunderstorm I mentioned upthread knocked out the power, so I’m relying on y’all for commentary. Stop hating on our Rachel, goddamn it!

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    japa21 says:

    @Immanentize: That was done by her sister.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Mary G: No you are not.

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    Leto says:

    I’m appreciating the cameras showing Chuck Todd’s forward combover. =|

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    Immanentize says:

    @japa21: I know…. But please let me never have my brother tweet for me when I run for President.

    Billy Carter?
    Hugh Rodham?
    Anyone?

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    Mike in NC says:

    @chris: NRA?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Leto: Join the Stephen Miller spray hair club!

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    Kent says:

    There’s a new part 2 post on the debate on blog

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Kent: Thanks

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    eldorado says:

    via a private source…apparently audio has been a real issue behind the scenes from the get go.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    New post up top, same topic.

    P.S. I’m getting some version of the mobile layout on my desktop, and it’s disconcerting. But at first I thought the mess was MY fault, so I can focus on being grateful for Major Major Major Major and Alain.

    Sincerely, guys: THANK YOU for doing the heavy lifting here!

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    patrick II says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Because he’s the tallest white man there?

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    Kay says:

    @Barbara:

    It’s his saving grace

    Oh, now Ryan’s blowing it. I knew I didn’t like him. He should have just attacked Trump.

    I cannot bear Delaney. He feels like every man who has ever lectured me. Why is he yelling at us?

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    RandomMonster says:

    I’m with some others here on Booker— the guy is a good speaker, and I like his responses. I’m still all in for Warren for now though.

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    Alain says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Especially if it’s in the more experimental side of my repertoire….

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Immanentize:

    Billy Carter?
    Hugh Rodham?
    Anyone?

    Jeb “Please Clap” Bush?

    (I imagine Shrub watching that one and calling Laura in to watch it on the TiVo, “You think Daddy saw his “smart one” there?”)

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    Leto says:

    @Immanentize: Join the Cory Booker no hair club!

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    Leto says:

    I’m glad Todd is there just to give out free time for responses. “Moderator.”

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    Another Scott says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Our doggie Ellie is from Appalachia. Tiny place.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Suzanne: Congratulations on new spawn, & also that’s wonderful news!

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    joel hanes says:

    @Raven:

    You can say that again!

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