I’ve never asked you for a retweet, until now. https://t.co/oBZrSHvcbi
— feminist next door (@emrazz) June 24, 2019
WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING BACK – LOUDLY.
The only ones going are Democrats, and DHS won’t let them into the concentration camps. https://t.co/5TbS00sRyC
— Hesiod Theogeny (@Hesiod2k11) June 24, 2019
Interesting to see Trump supporters feigning concern about this https://t.co/4hyWZSHLVU
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) June 22, 2019
Small comfort for the children now suffering — or dead — but if Senate Majority House Minority Leader ‘There’s two people Putin is paying’ McCarthy and Erik ‘Voice of the Gated GOP Community’ Erikson are alternately blustering and pantomiming Christianist concern about Trump’s concentration camps… it’s not good news for conservatives.
Clearly the GOP had assumed that enough voters were indifferent to human suffering that they could afford to tickle ‘the Base’ by kicking the untermenschen. Fortunately for the survival of our GOP-battered commonwealth, they seem to have miscalculated. Trump folds when he’s put under pressure, especially the pressure of being publicly shamed… and Trump’s enablers know that the I-was-only-following-orders defense doesn’t work in courts of law.
Career people in the government now have to face that they may be asked to defend the abhorrently indefensible and decide if they can morally do that and even if they can, realize others Trump has asked similar of are now in jail.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) June 22, 2019
I’m OK with allowing the White House & DHS officials responsible for torturing children to go to DC area restaurants & eat in peace.*
*But only if they’re forced to eat uncooked frozen food, and not allowed to brush their teeth afterward.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 22, 2019
Let’s not sanitize this: it was a deliberate decision by the White House to mistreat asylees. This is child torture as policy. The people responsible for this policy should be chained and sent to The Hague.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 22, 2019
So here’s what’s really interesting about this… Trump wouldn’t be doing this for political reasons if *wait for it* his own numbers didn’t show flagging support for him from within his most dedicated base. And that is a really interesting phenomenon. https://t.co/JUbkR5aiNn
— Liz Mair (@LizMair) June 22, 2019
Here are the possibilities-
??POTUS is so focused on his own survival he’s not paying attention to what is being done to children in the camps
??POTUS thinks torturing brown children plays well with his deplorables
??POTUS is a racist monsterThere is no “good” explanation
— Schooley (@Rschooley) June 22, 2019
"Almost every child that I interviewed had family, parents, uncles, aunts, grandparents, siblings here in the United States who are waiting for them and are ready to care for them," says law prof Warren Binford, who visited a detention center in Clint, TX https://t.co/3FH7LjEb6B
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) June 23, 2019
EvenTheVerySeriouslyBipartisan NYTimes has jumped ship on this…
From the New York Times Editorial Board: https://t.co/bLSoFkEFKQ
— Caitlin Gibson (@CaitJGibson) June 24, 2019
MazeDancer
Tonight, a huge all star cast is performing the Mueller report live on stage.
And it is being live streamed. 9 Eastern/6 Pacific.
Live stream and list of starry participants here: https://lawworksaction.org/
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Yeah. I have two friends from when I was little who are Trumpers. I’ve been posting a lot in Facebook lately about the baby concentration camps, and this is the only time I can recall that neither one has even tried to defend Trump on this, or defend the policy itself. All they try to do is make weak-ass cases for why it’s somebody else’s fault, anybody else’s fault.
debbie
It’s not like we haven’t been here before. Remember when it wasn’t torture if there wasn’t organ failure? //
lurker dean
@MazeDancer: thanks, hadn’t heard about this.
kindness
Excuse? Please forgive me but this is a feature for Trump. not a bug.
He thinks treating brown people with contempt will get him elected again.
Bullet-headed saxon mother's son
I know I should expect it, but it is truly appalling to read some of the Republican/conservative/Nazi responses at the various editorials (NYT, New Yorker, etc). They simply refuse to acknowledge that 1) this is uniquely Trump’s policy and execution thereof and 2) that torturing and killing children is inherently wrong, regardless of policy motivation.
I understand point 1, but think about point 2. They are actually arguing that child abuse and child murder is sometimes a necessary evil, an outcome that, while somewhat regrettable, is unavoidable if those immigrants won’t stop coming.
SiubhanDuinne
@Anne Laurie up top:
House Minority Leader McCarthy.
In the huge, infuriating, heartrending context of this post, it’s a minor quibble….
Brachiator
Trump is teaching his base to be cruel and to accept debasing The Other. Immigration hard liners wanted the undocumented to be deported, but it was Trump and his staff who decided to dehumanize these people and to assert that non-citizens deserve no consideration at all.
This is simply not true. Trump does not feel shame, shrugs off or evades criticism and deflects blame onto others.
He fired people who didn’t implement his cruel policies quickly enough.
Even when warned or challenged by the courts, he continues to put children in camps and deny them fair treatment.
And because he is stubborn and stupid, he keeps compounding the problem, because his core policy is to capture as many immigrants as he can and refuse to let them out of the trap that he has created for them. He has not relented or backed down from this.
And, as always, he is aided and abetted by the GOP leadership and by Fox News and right wing pundits.
Litlebritdifrnt
@kindness: @kindness: Exactly!
rikyrah
Yes
SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE PHUCKING DOLLARS A DAY
and, they are trying to justify why they can’t get soap, toothpaste, hot food, and a place to sleep.
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1143179389250592769
Van Buren
Cruelty to brown people and wildly profitable. It’s the perfect encapsulation of Trumpism.
Ohio Mom
@MazeDancer: Lots of big names on the cast list. I’m going to give it a listen but will probably fall asleep before all ten acts are completed.
debbie
@rikyrah:
Also, a decent meal at Mar-a-Lago. //
cintibud
Notice the tweet about sending people to the Hague for trial. I’ve wondered about that myself. You know that any way a Dem administration tried to bring folks to justice would be framed as “persecuting political enemies”. Well let’s send them to the Hague to stand trial for crimes against humanity.
I know, pipe dream. USA likes to set the rules, but doesn’t believe in following them when it’s inconvenient.
JR
It’s worth reminding these Trump flaks that there are lampposts at every street corner.
Ksmiami
@Bullet-headed saxon mother’s son: The Hague, jumpsuits and scaffolding are looking better everyday. I don’t care about understanding the other side or hearing them out- if they think child torture is ok I just want them marginalized and their leaders imprisoned
Yutsano
@cintibud: We’re not a signatory to the International Criminal Court. We have no standing to bring the perpetrators to trial. Not that it should stop some enterprising Spanish prosecutor from trying.
bobbo
Because nothing says “Limited government!!!” like asking for private charities to clean up after ICE does the torture stuff.
Adam L Silverman
@Brachiator: I don’t really think that base needed to be taught to be cruel. What’s he’s done is given them permission to be cruel in public.
HRA
When someone shows how he acts to his own children and grandchildren, you cannot expect them to act differently towards other peoples children. The respond I am sure will be his 3 children work with him. Yes, they do it for their own reasons. They have even taught their children to stay away from him. It is all on tape.
To note the difference look at how Bill and Hilary react towards Chelsea. Barack and Michelle with their children.
Adam L Silverman
@Yutsano: But we are signatories to a number of Geneva Conventions pertaining to appropriate treatment of migrants. As well as a series of war crimes and crimes against humanities international conventions we shepherded through post WW II and in the wake of the Nuremberg Trials.
Frankensteinbeck
Have you heard the excuse the deplorables overwhelmingly make? That the kids’ parents shouldn’t have brought them? The thing is, this isn’t some weak diversion to them. One of the cores of Republican thought is ‘The bitch had it coming.’ Apply to all victims of all kinds. They are mean, abusive shits, and they get off on cruelty combined with stroking their own egos by blaming the victim. Reports have been consistent that Trump has wanted this kind of sadism and brutality since day one. It is both political and it pleases him on a personal level, because he is the apotheosis of his followers.
cintibud
@Yutsano: Ah, never signed. But of course.
A Ghost To Most
@Brachiator:
Nah, he’s just encouraging them to be their base selves.
T is a symptom; they are the disease.
Adam L Silverman
@bobbo: It won’t matter. DHS has made it clear that they will not accept donations and distribute them. The best thing you can do is give to RAICES.
https://www.raicestexas.org/donate/
Frankensteinbeck
@A Ghost To Most:
This. All Trump is doing is forcing us to notice evil that was already there. While I would much, much rather have the children involved not suffering, in the process he’s erased any chance liberals would be unmotivated in the 2020 election.
randy khan
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
The ones I’ve seen essentially blame the parents. On a certain level there’s no answer to that, because someone who would punish the children for the parents’ behavior is a monster.
But, as always, the cruelty is not some side effect – it is the point.
A Ghost To Most
@Frankensteinbeck: The base is an HIV infection. T is Kaposi’s Sarcoma.
Jeffro
First Dem politician to point out that just one of trumpov’s dozens of golf trips could give these poor kids toothpaste and soap from now until the heat death of the universe wins…well, okay, only consolidates the Dem base…but STILL.
First one to buy a 30-minute block of time on cable to do this at least breaks out of the…okay, breaks into the top 12 Dems running…but STILL.
First one to challenge trumpov to co-visit the concentration camps…
First one to challenge corporate America to quit making donations to the GOP, at any level, until the child deaths stop…
First one to challenge GOP Congressmen to sleep on concrete floors with foil blankets and see who lasts longer…
Hey, it’s all worth a shot.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: For that $775 a night the government is currently paying to house and feed for each of these kids we could book every Hilton, Hyatt, Sheraton, and Marriott in the US at the government rate and feed the kids at the buffet and still save money.
Jeffro
On another note, you know what would be absolutely awesome: a Harris/Duckworth ticket. I’d love to see Warren as VP but we need her in the Senate (her replacement would be nominated by a Republican). Duckworth would absolutely kick both trumpov’s AND Pence’s ass
rikyrah
@rikyrah:
I can do a weekend at the Peninsula, with spa services and only eat at the hotel restaurants for what they are getting paid for those migrants.
geg6
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yes, exactly.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: Ok, so hopefully the D candidates will pick one or the other example or both.
And then follow up with, “So who IS profiting off of these concentration camps? Who’s trumpov paying to do this in our name?”
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Survey says: Most likely not.
debbie
@Jeffro:
Erik Prince has to be in the mix.
rikyrah
Like there weren’t FIFTEEN OTHER ACCUSERS ??
Charlotte Alter (@CharlotteAlter) Tweeted:
NYT admits that they were too cautious in reporting E. Jean Carroll’s story, acknowledging critics who said they “showed too much deference to the president’s denials”
https://t.co/qgPNCDD6G5 https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/1143264649246314499?s=17
NotMax
OT. FYI.
A phone scam has resurfaced: Beware phone scammers who warn of iCloud hack (more). Hang up on them. Immediately.
Just now received such a phishing call – and I do not possess anything Apple or Mac.
Jager
$273,750 a year per child, you could put each kid in trump’s hotel in Vegas, hire each one a nanny and feed them 3x a day and save 50 grand a year
Jay
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: We’re up to what, 22 women on the record now? Maybe public hearings on that are warranted? ?
FlipYrWhig
@Frankensteinbeck: Yup. This is the core of the policy. Didn’t Stephen Miller or someone of that ilk explicitly say so? The point is to making coming to America so horrific that They, you know the ones, Those People, The Other, etc… just stop trying. Abracadabra, the immigrant problem solves itself. It’s sick but that’s what they believe, affirmatively, not by accident, not by ignorance.
Villago Delenda Est
@rikyrah: It’s a scam for GOP campaign donors
Mike in NC
If the government is spending $775 per detainee per night, how much gets skimmed by the Trump Crime Cartel?
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: It’s not that we’re up to 22 women now. It’s that because of how NY state law is written, there is no statute of limitations on what Carroll has accused the President of and she is in possession of what she was wearing that day and it has been unlaundered since the alleged attack. That should completely change the discussion here.
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: That’s a good start. So are TV ads with, “22 women? 22? 22 women have come forward and accused president* trumpov of sexual assault and/or rape…”
And then the ads could finish with
– “…how many women have to come forward before his supporters realize he’s lying to them and has been a lifelong abuser of women?”
– “…aren’t you proud, GOP?”
– “…don’t even white supremacists and IGMFU billionaires deserve a president without a history of rape?”
Miss Bianca
@Bullet-headed saxon mother’s son: I wonder how any of the so-called “pro-life” among them can possibly square their fetus fetishization with their callous and murderous attitude toward living (brown) children. Or if they even bother to try.
SiubhanDuinne
@A Ghost To Most:
Ugliest Metaphor EVAH!
But devastatingly accurate.
Adam L Silverman
@Jay:
https://www.ushmm.org/research/publications/encyclopedia-camps-ghettos
ThresherKk
From NYT Editorial Board (last linked tweet):
Yeah, NYT. If only there was a news organization which had more abliity than any 10,000 commoners put together to do something about this.
Adam L Silverman
@FlipYrWhig: It was Miller.
SiubhanDuinne
@Betty Cracker:
It feels all summery and Junal.
I’m ready for a nice tribunal.
Jeffro
God help us, Chris Matthews is saying trumpov was good for ‘hesitating’ on striking Iran.
As if there was a lot of deep thinking going on in that process…as if our country is in the hands of a wise person…
Jeffro
@debbie: via the same shell companies used to pay off porn stars, no doubt
joel hanes
@rikyrah:
NYT admits
Too little. Too late.
Fuckem.
Jay
@Adam L Silverman:
My post was more along the lines of the Nazi’s and “Good Germans” outing themselves on social media.
The American Jewish Congress just outed themselves.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
As if that is the least bit surprising coming from Tweety.
Chris T.
@randy khan:
Of course, many of them believe their God does exactly that.
Barbara
@Jay: The comments on the AJC petition tweet are scathing.
rikyrah
What a Christian???
Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) Tweeted:
WATCH: Mike Pence Snickers As Jake Tapper Repeatedly Asks Why They Won’t Give Kids Soap and Toothpaste https://t.co/QQmJYoqeyI via @mediaite https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1143159765973032960?s=17
SiubhanDuinne
I am just starting a book that bears the following dedication:
Actually, I wouldn’t mind seeing that in every book of any description published between now and the day he leaves office.
Bex
@Frankensteinbeck: “If your response is, “The parents should have not brought their children here illegally,” know this: I pray to God that you never have to flee violence or poverty or persecution with your children. And, if the day comes that you must and your babies are forcibly removed from your arms, I will fight for you too.” Brene Brown
Adam L Silverman
@Jay: Gotta keep Adelson happy or his donations dry up.
ThresherK
@rikyrah: Calling it now: Someone, like Seth Myers or Stephen Colbert, will give a state dept guest a little bag of hotelieries from a Best Western, including the disposable shower cap.
burnspbesq
@cintibud:
The United States signed but did not ratify the Rome Statute, which established the ICC. Trump et al owe a huge debt of gratitude to Dick Chaney.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
66 million Hillary voters cared about America.
Omnes Omnibus
@rikyrah: I would suggest avoiding the term migrant and using refugee or asylum seeker instead.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: 24 adults have died in immigrant detention since T took office and some of those people have been as young as 21. What are they doing to these people?
burnspbesq
@Adam L Silverman:
Dead wrong. At the time of the alleged crime, the statute was five years. It’s black-letter law that statutes of limitation can’t be extended retroactively.
Jay
J.P.Morgan Chase
GeoGroup
CoreCivic
SouthWest Key
MVM Inc.
Cayuga Centers
Nakamoto Group
General Dynamics
CSI Aviation
Deloitte
SalesForce
Microsoft
Palantir
Amazon
Amongst others,
https://inthesetimes.com/features/ice-abolish-immigration-child-detention-private-prison-profiting.html
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Yes, agreed.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
I agree. I think he has in mind the many millions who didn’t vote at all in 2016.
Of course, the sad thing is that these are the people who will never read this book.
Kathleen
@debbie: I’m old enough to remember when NPR refused to use the word “torture”. And when Alberto Gonzales sang this oldie but goody:
Life was so much simpler then.//
James E Powell
@Omnes Omnibus:
Or we could call them people. Or men, women, children.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodingers_cat:
Maintaining voter roll purity.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yeah, that wasn’t directed at you. I just get frustrated that we can’t spend every day screamimg at people because we need to do what it takes to win in 2020.
Kathleen
@bobbo: I thought I had read where local churches and organizations took supplies to the facility and facility would not accept them. Sorry I don’t have a link for that.
ETA: See Adam’s info at Comment 25.
Adam L Silverman
@burnspbesq: I try not to argue with you legal types, but I was going off of what Maya Wiley said Friday. She has since corrected herself.
Omnes Omnibus
@James E Powell: Does that come with a particular legal status at our borders?
CarolDuhart2
@Miss Bianca: Because “prolife” is only for certain kids.. Also this is the noxious fruit of White Fundamentalism: These children, descendants of those who were colonized, are not the right kind of Christian: Catholic. We are literally fighting the same religious wars here as overseas.
Jeffro
MSNBC guest making the point many of you have made…would be VASTLY cheaper to either put refugee kids up in trumpov hotels or send them to relatives in the US while the adults work out their asylum/immigration issues.
schrodingers_cat
@SiubhanDuinne: It was going to be a long time before they could have voted, in the happy case of getting their asylum petitions approved.
OT Local Politics Update: Local Ds active in politics in my neck of the woods are all in for Warren, last cycle many were Bernistas.
Kathleen
@Miss Bianca: I posed that very question to my right wing Rethuglican Right to Life proclaiming Congressman Chabot (Ohio First) via email. I also asked him to think about what he would tell his grandchildren when they asked him what did he do to prevent this cruelty to children.
Baud
@Jeffro:
Chris Hayes is so weak when he has a Republican on. It’s depressing.
Jeffro
GOP rep on Chris Hayes now about to have a stroke defending trumpov…”are we under any obligation to make sure that children brought here illegally go where they’re supposed to go?” “Democrats’ hatred for this president* is so intense who knows what to believe?” “Those children arrived with lice” and then he threw in the “intense hatred” line with a bonus…
…”and you know what Chris? He’s going to be your president* for another four years, too.” (Head bobbing, eyes whirling)
Fuck these people. Let’s start those Nuremberg Trials, stat.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: This is Rep. Michael Burgess of TX btw
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Is he still on the Berning Train
Jeffro
Dem rep now pointing out that company running much of the concentration camps has Kelly on as a board member
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
I haven’t watched enough recently to know.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Yes.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Then we should just ignore him.
TenguPhule
@Mike in NC:
$770.00
Its the new government math.
Aleta
From ‘Some Suburb of Hell’: America’s New Concentration Camp System in NYRB, by Andrea Pitzer 1/2
…. [South Africa, British camps] …
.
Aleta
@Aleta: 2/2
Aleta
@Aleta: (Cont. )
Omnes Omnibus
@Aleta: @Aleta: Fair use?
BigJimSlade
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
That is what they admit to. I believe that the true death count is far higher ???
Procopius
@Jeffro:
Well, from a year ago there’s a graphic. There’s a warning at the bottom that it’s not comprehensive, but I’m pretty sure it names all the main profiteers. I don’t know how to embed a graphic, but the URL is https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D915CGhU4AEB_rA.jpg
Lot of pigs at the trough. I’m sending a copy to my Congressman and asking that the House conduct hearings into why these goniffs aren’t providing the materiel and services they’re being paid for. I’ll send copies to my Senators (both Democrats), too, but don’t expect much at the Senate.
Kay
@Jeffro:
They are. The minute they took custody of those kids they took responsibility for them. That’s how it works, both legally and ethically.
Donald Trump and his low quality, incompetent hires took custody of a huge bunch of kids and now they can’t care for them properly. They took that duty the moment they separated them from the adults.
When job and family services goes in and removes children they are absolutely, 100% responsible for everything that happens to those kids from that moment forward. Everyone knows that. Except the people Donald Trump hires.
Kay
@Jeffro:
Chris Hayes makes millions of dollars a year. Perhaps he could prepare for these interviews by reading the laws:
They are responsible for the children. Why is he debating this?
TenguPhule
@Kay:
And we all know how much the GOP respect laws and ethics. //
TenguPhule
@Aleta:
This entire shitty timeline can be boiled down to this.
debbie
@Kathleen:
Gonzales is singing a different tune today. He’s no Trump lover.
laura
@rikyrah: so your link reveals a few things, the GEO group includes retired CDCR director Scott Kernan, warden in New Folsom and Mule Creek prisons and while he’s the lowest ‘paid’ at 157K, the board was noted as averaging stock trades every 43 days.
They are in it for the money. Every damn one. The money.
bobbo
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks Adam, just donated to RAICES
Aleta
@Omnes Omnibus: bee in your bonnet?
Omnes Omnibus
@Aleta: No, if you want to post huge swathes of text and have people scroll through it, knock yourself out.