Open Thread: Happy Pride Month!

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    What am I missing? Target has shoes, in addition to having a pride display. I don’t think getting gay married is a requirement to buy shoes at Target these days.

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    Plato says:

    If only there were some safe spaces for straight white dudes…

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    Mike in NC says:

    One of our favorite sitcoms is “Superstore”, about the hapless employees of a big box chain like Walmart and Target. Anybody who’s ever worked menial, low wage jobs in retail should appreciate it.

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    laura says:

    Methinks Aaron Clarey doth protest too much. Come on out of the closet Aaron and buy yourself some damn shoes.
    FYI, Lizzo, the fabulous Lizzo Graced Sacramento with her grooviness in headlining the Pride weekend.

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    chopper says:

    considering what a hot mess target’s shoe department usually is, i’d reconsider.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I’m surprised nobody’s done “Sir, this is an Arby’s” yet.

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    Raoul says:

    So, um, who is that twerp? Other than the epic self-own, why might we care?

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    What am I missing? Target has shoes, in addition to having a pride display. I don’t think getting gay married is a requirement to buy shoes at Target these days.

    That sumbitch lied to me! Lied and then left me! The shoes are OK, I guess. I’ll wear them if I have to but they will bring back memories. Happy memories, yes, but also sad ones. I’ll try not to be bitter. Sigh

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    Raoul says:

    @chopper: yeah this as well
    though if one wears a fedora in one’s avatar, I suppose anything goes in terms of shabby footwear choices

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    LongHairedWeirdo says:

    You know what’s horrible about the internet these days? I kind of like that as an ironic joke. I could imagine someone posting it whose attitude was “Of *COURSE* I’m not upset at the Pride display, geez, it just struck me as funny because it was so prominent at the entrance – ‘forget it if it ain’t rainbows!’.”

    But you can’t trust that it’s not a sincere “how *DARE* you try to appeal to a particular group of people, while not in any way changing the way you’re providing goods and services to me.”

    You know – it’s kinda like if you’re in your 20s, and yes, clumsy and awkward with women, and you keep hearing the “it was an innocent misunderstanding is *NOT* an excuse!” and are feeling twisted up because you are *pretty* sure they mean “if a guy deliberately grabs your tit, and then says it was a misunderstanding, he’s lying”, and don’t mean “we were hugging, I kissed her cheek, the side of her neck, and I slipped my hand on her butt, and found out that she didn’t want that.” It’s still scary, though; one of the most fundamental decencies between humans has been seized upon as a weapon by assholes, and once that’s happened (and we’ve *allowed* it to happen), it changes the entire nature of interactions.

    Heh. I heard it said – not saying it’s true, not saying it’s false – that the “I won’t get AIDS – I’m white!” person *was* making a brutally ironic joke – that blacks in South Africa were the ones suffering from the preventable effects of HIV. True? False? Doesn’t it really, really *suck* that it’s now so hard to give the benefit of the doubt? (And doesn’t the possibility – however tiny you might think it is – kinda explain why twitter is a bad way to be an activist?)

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    Martin says:

    Just a reminder that the only World Cup worth watching is on now. USWNT up against Thailand starting now. Unlike the men, they don’t fall down as soon as they come in contact with the shadow of another player, and they don’t earn enough money to constantly engage in tax fraud.

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    bbleh says:

    Hey now, let’s all try to be a little TOLERANT here, right? I mean, give the guy a break! He knows what shoes are. That’s gotta be worth something, right?

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    raven says:

    I stepped up on the platform
    The man gave me the news
    He said, You must be joking son
    Where did you get those shoes?
    Where did you get those shoes?
    Well, I’ve seen ’em on the TV, the movie show
    They say the times are changing but I just don’t know
    These things are gone forever
    Over a long time ago, oh yeah

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    trollhattan says:

    Speaking of watching, watch out for hosts France, who were unconscious good in the opening match.

    My biggest surprise so far is Italy beating Australia. Cameroon acquitted themselves very well against Canada yesterday, also, too. Our US gals look good going in but the big stage is the only meaningful test.

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    eclare says:

    @Martin: Watching too.

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    raven says:

    USA USA US offsides. . .

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    raven says:

    “This one will count!”

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    Paul W. says:

    Where’s the love for the Women’s World Cup!?!?! GOALLLLLLL (for real this time!)

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    Martin says:

    @trollhattan: US will always be strong thanks to Title IX. But France is an understandable favorite – they’ve been great. A little more nervous of our chances compared to previous Cups

    The women are such much more enjoyable to watch for me. They just play, and play hard. None of the drama bullshit the men bring.

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    C Stars says:

    @laura: Did you see her perform? Lucky duck.

    @chopper: We usually take a detour around the shoe dept. at Target because the plastic fumes are so intense, no joke.

    But we definitely hit up the pride stations. Our hometown Target has two different areas where the rainbow and trans pride goods are displayed (and neither are near the shoes). I am part of a community group that puts on some pride events and it’s great to have a one-stop shop nearby for the schwag.

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    eclare says:


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    ThresherK says:

    And a second for the USA by Lavelle, 20th minute.

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    gratuitous says:

    Fucking aisles! How do they work, man? Nobody knows!

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    geg6 says:

    @Paul W.:

    I cheer for them from afar. Way afar. Soccer is only second in my most boring sport ever rankings next to golf and baseball, which are tied for most boring of all time and never to be on my teevee. But I’ll be thrilled to see the highlights when/if they win.

    ETA: I take that back. Soccer is third. NASCAR is definitely #2. But the fact that I forgot about it completely tells you how much attention I pay to that. I am, however, often forced to pay attention to golf and baseball, however much involuntarily. Not in my own home, though. No fucking way.

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    trollhattan says:

    Only began watching because of the kid being in soccer, then when soccer became the sport that “stuck” with her I had to become conversant in the game and grapple with learning the (very odd) rules, at least as much as a sideline dad needs..

    Then during a trip to Portland I snagged tickets to the Thorns as an afterthought and now I’m hooked on the whole thing. When you see an NWSL game you’re watching World Cup players and medalists not just from the States but from half a dozen other countries. Level of play is astounding and the Portland soccer experience is like no other sports event I’ve attended, and I’ve been to a lot of sports.

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    ThresherK says:

    TIL the Thailand women’s team are called the Chaba Kaew, after a female elephant character in the popular animated movie, Khan Kluay. I don’t know if the Ivory Coast WNT are called the Elephants, as the men are.

    The US picked up a third goal.

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    Juice Box says:

    @Ella in New Mexico: I wish we had one of those in my town. It’s way cool. I’m not gay, but I wear “Rainbow Pride” shoelaces in my shoes because I like them. I hope no one decides to step on my feet.

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    trollhattan says:

    Can’t watch ATM because fuck you Fox Sports but I see our Lindsey gets her first WC goal. Trust me, it’s far, far from her last.

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    MattF says:

    OT, but irresistible. There’s apparently something in British English that causes a specific vocal error when people talk about Tory politician ‘Jeremy Hunt’.

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    Jay says:

    One of my employees called my other employee an ‘it’ because she’s transgender. I fired him. Happy pride month, bitch.— Seven(S)aints (@nohoescourtland) June 10, 2019

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    ThresherK says:

    @trollhattan: FS1, the cable channel, isn’t listed as carrying the game. Our Fox affiliate is. (I’m watching on olde-fashioned tube TV, which may be an Atwater Kent. Your device may differ.)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    My boss just got back from a week in NOLA with her 13 y/o son. It seems that as they were walking through the Quarter (no street specified), a group of guys wearing only shoes (type not specified) and some form of string based banana hammock burst out a bar and into the street. Apparently, the 13 y/o was a bit shocked. Me, I wonder where they kept their IDs, credit cards, and cash.

    Also, who vacations in NOLA during the summer?

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    Betty Cracker says:

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    eclare says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Straight to the point!

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    trollhattan says:

    Dial up Fox Sports app on phone.
    FS demands I log into via my teevee subscription service (even the thing is carried over the local airwaves for nuttin’)
    Text spouse for the login info
    Log in
    Fox: “who are you, again?”

    At this point in time I am not throwing phone across the room, but that’s subject to change.

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: They were coming or going to the race

    World Naked Bike Ride 2019

    Every June, dozens of nude riders from different cities and countries take to the streets of New Orleans for the annual World Naked Bike Ride. This fun extravaganza is held to raise the awareness of bicycling as well as to declare the beauty of the human body, both individual and vulnerable. The overall aim is the promotion of cycling as clean and safe means of transportation versus motorized vehicles along with their negative impact on the environment we live in, and global oil dependency.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Jeez, how does Trump stack up against a mid-priced blender?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    In this case I’ll surmise people who can’t afford clothes.

    Poor kid, traumatized for a good long while.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    (childish snicker) I lived long enough to see “gay shoes” as a selling point.

    Salesperson “Sir, anyone seeing these shoes will think you dress like a gay man”

    Discerning Buyer “Really? That good? I will take a pair then!”

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    Martin says:

    Boy, Thai defenders getting some seriously clutch saves there.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Betty Cracker: Bring on the fake polls!

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    Immanentize says:

    One of my favorite gay bar names was a mostly lesbian bar in DC called “The Big Hunt”

    There are many clever ones….

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    raven says:

    @Immanentize: I had a softball team in one of my leagues name “Nine jerks and a squirt”!

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    Immanentize says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    gay shoes

    I think that is Fluevog’s entire design strategy. I like them (but can rarely afford them except at DSW)

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    Immanentize says:

    That’s great!

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    Dan B says:

    Just a reminder that there is scientifuc research on homophobia. In research using a plethismograph (nsfw) men who were “straight” homophobes responded to gay soft core pron.

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    Z says:

    Why is Trump tweeting that it’s a great day in the stock market when the markets have been flat for 2 days straight? Is his staff just feeding him BS numbers to keep him happy or something?

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    Baud says:

    What’s the record for most goals in a world cup match? Lordy.

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    ThresherK says:

    The second for Alex Morgan. Wow.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Betty Cracker: If not an outlier, that seems to undermine Biden’s electability argument. It also suggests that it’s all about getting rid of Trump, as his percentages are pretty much uniform across that group. Maybe that’s one reason why Pelosi is lukewarm on impeachment, i.e., why rid the GOP of a boat anchor that could bring the whole group down in 2020?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Immanentize: Like the late (un)lamented Ramrod in NYC?

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    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: WWC 2015 in group play, Switzerland beat Ecuador 10-1. Offhand it’s the first thing I could find, don’t know if it’s a record.

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    trollhattan says:

    Holy hell 6-0. They can only sub out three, so who do they rest?

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    ThresherK says:

    @ThresherK: Per The Independent, an English newspaper:

    The biggest ever winning margin in a World Cup is nine goals, which has been achieved three times in history, with Hungary beating South Korea 9-0 in 1954, Yugoslavia beating Zaire 9-0 in 1974 and Hungary (again) winning 10-1 against El Salvador in 1982.

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    Baud says:


    We might be on our way.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Ah yes, the Ramrod…. Infamous.

    How about the “Boat Hut” in Austin?

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    Baud says:

    The only depressing thing about this blowout is knowing Trump will take credit for it.

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    trollhattan says:

    re. Subbing Lloyd in–she only has one setting: on. I don’t see the scoring rate waning.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: Okay, if the wiki is accurate, this is the record:

    Biggest margin of victory

    Germany (11) vs Argentina (0), 2007 WWC

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    trollhattan says:

    He’d have to first admit soccer exists.

    The amusement value of a the response of a gold medal (getting ahead of myself) women’s team being invited to the WH would be very high indeed.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: If the USWNT wins, and they go to the WH, Megan Rapinoe and her wife Sue Bird get to kiss in front of him.

    I don’t like the idea that any individual has to be the “flag carrier” for their identity if they’re not interested in acting that way, but I want to see someone do this someday soon.

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    LongHairedWeirdo says:

    @MattF: no idea if this is part of it, but it’s the first thing I thought of:

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    NotMax says:


    Well, there’s all that leftover McDonald’s food-like matter taking up space in the walk-in freezer… //

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    Baud says:


    Ugh. Now they’re slacking. Need 5 goals for the record.

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    NotMax says:

    Now haz a disappoint. Was in Target yesterday* and the only rainbow I saw was the one in the sky outside while on the way back to the car after shopping.

    *No, not for shoes.

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    SenyorDave says:

    I will always have a problem that the USWNT tolerated, and even supported, Hope Solo despite her domestic abuse issues. Apparently domestic abuse is okay as long as the abuser is a woman.

    As far as the comparison with the women’s and men’s WC, I watch the men’s WC and I see players doing stuff that is impossible. I watch the women’s WC and I see a very high skill level, but I don’t see the impossible. And knowing that the USWNT regularly loses to youth area boys teams (google Dallas U15 and USWNT) does temper my enjoyment a little. Just like I can appreciate the best HS boys’ basketball skill level, but I don’t appreciate it like I do the NBA.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: Well, how about now?

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    Baud says:


    Just two more and we have a new record!

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    Martin says:

    Thai team is just out of gas. The US team looks like they can run forever.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Baud: Okay, time to “park the bus” and hang on to the lead.

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    Baud says:

    Record tied!

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    Baud says:

    A new record!

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    Baud says:


    Prevent defense!

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    This is still the funniest damn thing I have seen on Pride Month. I think Aleta posted it last week.

    Me explaining to my boyfriend why we’re going to Straight Pride.

    — Eva Victor (@evaandheriud) June 4, 2019

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I was just contemplating whether to post that.

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    randy khan says:

    Through one full round of play, Alex Morgan has more goals in the World Cup than any team other than the U.S.

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    trollhattan says:

    Jeez, haven’t seen anything like this since rec. soccer.

    Upsides beside the obvious ones are how well they mesh before and after substitutions and how many first-time WC players have overcome those jitters and scored their first WC goal.

    Figured Carly wouldn’t be denied.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    Our Pride Parade was last Saturday (no more jokes about those assholes in August, please), and I was thrilled when the tchotchke aisles at the door of Target were full of Pride stuff. I got matching hats and backpacks for me n WarriorGirl, because we were in a large enough (school) group that I wanted us easily found by each other. Which we were. And we even made it home only a little late because one of the Green Line trains derailed.

    If the original tweeter can’t deal with seasonal tchotchke aisles, perhaps he should stick to grocery delivery and shopping online. With recommendations turned off.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    He did get a “Sir, this is a Macy’s.”

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    ThresherK says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): That woman belongs on Sam Bee’s Full Frontal program or such. I am soooo showing my wife this.

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    Jay says:


    Yashar Ali was being sarcastic.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @zhena gogolia, @ThresherK:

    It is freakin’ hilarious!


    I could sort of see where maybe the Target shoes guy was going for a subtle hipster joke, but, as you said, tone is hard to read on line. And once the comments start to go a certain way everybody’s later interpretation is affected by that.

    He seemed pretty mellow in the comments; he even gave a “Touché!” to the clown shoes comment.

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    Kathleen says:

    @ThresherK: I’m so proud of Megan Rapinoe, a fellow alum from University of Portland (who no one has ever heard of). She’s not only a stellar soccer star she’s one of the players leading the charge for equal pay and equal treatment for the women’s soccer teams.

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    randy khan says:

    @randy khan:

    One more thing – the U.S. goal differential is more than the total goal differential of the next four teams combined (France +4, Norway +3, Brazil +3, and either Spain or Sweden +2).

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Jay: But it wasn’t clear that Aaron Clarey was being sarcastic. (I knew Yashar Ali was.)

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    JR says:

    The quality of shoes at Target is bad enough that you’d be better off buying that rainbow polo/boat shorts combo.

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    Jay says:


    Googled him, he’s an asshole and a edgelord, so it probably didn’t go the way he wanted, but he rolled with it.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    a group of guys wearing only shoes (type not specified) and some form of string based banana hammock burst out a bar and into the street.

    I wanna know what French Quarter bar allows people in with only shoes and a string-based “banana hammock” — that’s a real NOLA dress code!!

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