C.R.E.A.M. Open Thread: Guacamole Lovers, Rejoice!

Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare and education according to its principles.

Why couldn’t Trump negotiate that for Americans? #ArtoftheDeal

I had to google CREAM–Cash Rules Everything Around Me. That fits.

This is an historic night! [emphasis added]

— Chuck Schumer

In case anyone needed one more reason to dislike Chuck Shumer.

@Steve in the ATL: “A historic is more common in both American and British English, but both usages are sufficiently common to be considered correct.”

I wouldn’t be surprised that Trumpov being a small man with small ideas pulls this stuff so that his family can make money making bets on the stock market. I.hope there are some people at the SEC watching the trading patterns of Trumpov’s extended families. Also his equally crooked pals at Treasury,DOJ,State and Commerce. I would like these people in prison after 2020 for insider trading.

@Amir_Khalid: I do, in my head, when I read that construction

@Gin & Tonic: I’m aware, but it’s still pretentious and stupid. Why is that ok but “an house” isn’t not? Makes no sense. It’s stupid. And pretentious.

@Baud:
“If English was good enough for our Lord and Saviour, it is good enough or the people of Texas”
— Governor “Ma” Fergusson

MEXICO HAS AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 8, 2019

There is nothing in the joint declaration about any kind of commitment from Mexico, the 2nd largest market for US ag products, to buy more from American farmers… https://t.co/iNlefs59Vo— Meridith McGraw (@meridithmcgraw) June 8, 2019

@NotMax:
An excellent idea. I nominate his cousin Amy to take up changing the pronunciation of the family name.

@germy:

“Our great patriot farmers”

He really isn’t shy about sounding like Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin, is he?

@Amir Khalid:

Do you mean the way the last few seconds of a video are ruined by superimposed ads for another video? I hate that! Is there any way to get rid of it?

I didn’t know this about Kamala’s sister:

Maya Harris was an adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and would likely have served in a Clinton administration had she won the White House, Politico reports.

The Stanford-educated lawyer and progressive activist who became a mom at 17 also headed the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California and helped edit manuscripts of Michelle Alexander’s best-selling The New Jim Crow about the need for criminal justice reform.

https://www.theroot.com/family-affair-maya-harris-is-painted-as-the-face-and-p-1835341726

Congrats to Trump, the world’s greatest negotiator, for convincing the Mexican government to do something they already decided to do a year ago https://t.co/mAn6taO075— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) June 8, 2019

@zhena gogolia:
I’m seeing a pre-video ad, which I must watch (and listen to) for at least five seconds before the Skip Ad button is activated, the video interrupted twice or more by an ad with a five-second delay on the Skip Ad button, and an ad at the end of the video. I can click away just before the end of the video and avoid the last one, but the others infuriate me.

@Amir Khalid: I do. And I would not be surprised if Steve in the ATL does too.

@Baud: Also, I haven’t studied Spanish since I left Florida at age 12 in 1966, but I could read that.

@Amir Khalid:
While I’m on the subject, has anyone else noticed Internet adertising suddenly becoming much more aggressive of late? It seems that these days every time I fire up the intertubes, Adblock Plus has forgotten all my settings, including my very few whitelisted sites.

@Ajabu

As spouse doesn’t become spice, one could hypothesize there are differing rules for the living versus the inaminate.

;)

@Peking Man: Steve would probably insist on saying “a historic”, which sounds pretentious and awkward to many of us older people.

Of course I still use a flip-phone.

@Amir Khalid

Can get it here.

Before Firefox changed to its current Quantum configuration, NoScript was spectacular and a snap to use. Post-Quantum, it is a clunkier interface and has a less flat learning curve but has improved muchly since the initial post-Quantum version.

If you want to get all huffy about “an historic day,” when will we start to make fun of the people right here on this blog who don’t know when to use it’s or its

Hint: It’s is short for IT IS.

@Immanentize: I usually pronounce “doughnuts” as though the first syllable rhymes with “tough,” but then I usually pronounce the “g” in “diaphragm” and give the “c” in “disciples” a hard pronunciation. And I do all that just to amuse myself by being annoying.

@pat

A handy trick to keep in mind when using the possessive is to remember there is no apostrophe in his or hers, same as there isn’t one for its

@Steve in the ATL:

What do you have against proper grammar?

The sentence constructions is absolutely correct. And it is certainly better than the ahistorical timeline in which we currently find ourselves.

@Baud:

Ugh. Also, it should be “de los migrantes.”

I need to do an extra Duolingo session today.

Hey, it’s a SIGNED AGREEMENT! No president has ever, I think, gotten one of those before.

@pat: That “it’s” versus “its” happens in part because of autocorrect which is always adding apostrophe’s for some unknown reason.

.@Amir Khalid

I leave everything except those two at Default and set only those two to Trusted.

@Adam L Silverman:

Dear Adam, please go to the thread immediately below this one and read Scotian’s comment #42 — I think it will mean a lot to you.

@Baud:

Because he’s too damn busy taking them away from juvenile immigrant detainees.

@Sab: et tu, Sab?

@Peking Man: I sometimes find myself talking like Dick Van Dyke in “Mary Poppins”!

@Amir Khalid

Whenever people wax enthusiastic over how reliable self-driving cars will be I have a one word response. “Autocorrect.”

;)

@NotMax:
Worked a charm. Muchas gracias.

@Steve in the ATL:

In case anyone needed one more reason to dislike Chuck Shumer.

Schumer.

And your just pissed because he was doing the pedant thing, and you don’t like the competition.

@pat:
Its a puzzlement?

@Amir Khalid

Heh. IIRC it also would gag on the word spellchecker.

@NotMax: Year before last my accounting firm tried to using a scanning program to input data into the tax program. The results were hilarious.

Hm. Promo now on TCM for Medium Cool this coming Tuesday at 10 p.m. Eastern. A revolutionary act of film making at the time, wonder how (or if) it holds up fifty years on.

One of those movies which stayed for months at the theater where I was an usher.

@Another Scott: In Ohio we have a neighboring county, Geauga, pronounced “jee-aw-ghuh.” The national weather alerts pronounce it “go-guh”. Very weird to hear.

@Ajabu: @Amir Khalid:

I think Dick van Dyke formally apologized for his accent in that movie.

Al Sicherman, in his book ‘Caramel Knowledge’, had a reciye for ‘Mockagoule’, replacing the mashed avocado with softened butter.

Thot I might have to dig it up and post it…

@Amir Khalid: as it should be. And has Patrick Swayze’s attempt at a southern accent in “North and South” been topped yet? Or bottomed, if you prefer.

@LC: n honour, an apron, an hour all make sense because the initial “h” is not pronounced. In “history”, “historic”, “historian”, et al, the initial “h” is pronounced. Unless you’re Dick Van Dyke.

@Another Scott: “ou”. As in “beaucoup” or just “où”, which means “where”

@Sab:

In Ohio we have a neighboring county, Geauga, pronounced “jee-aw-ghuh.”

That’s not far off of how many people in my adopted home state pronounce “Georgia”, though it’s usually closer to “jaw-ja”

@germy:

Donald Trump has so deluded our “great” farmers that they now believe the country of Mexico buys their products.

Is “Mexico” buying cars too? A car per person? Or will they order Mexicans to purchase one each?

@Steve in the ATL:

It’s neither stupid nor pretentious. It’s just one of a very large number of differences among the English speaking peoples. I grew up hearing people say “an ‘istoric” and “an ‘istorian” so that’s what sounds right to me. I always knew there were differences on this, but this is the first time anyone seemed angry about it.

@Dorothy A. Winsor:

I thought it had something to do with history coming from French and house coming from German. Like maybe the “aitches” were pronounced differently or not at all back in the day.

@Another Scott: you probably know this, but the French language developed when the Romans invaded Gaul. The Gaulois (heh) were too primitive to pronounce the full Latin words so they bailed on the endings.

Much of the vocabulary and grammar are almost identical to Latin. Par example, the verb “to be”.

Latin:
Sum
Es
Est
Sumus
Estis
Sunt

French:
Je suis
Tu es
Il/elle est
Nous sommes
Vous êtes (or estes, as the circumflex replace the “s”)
Ils sommes

Someone page Omnes to correct any mistakes I may have made.

@mrmoshpotato:

You know, the whole thing is hysterical. People who have spent the last 200 years screaming that they are bootstrapping free marketeers believe THE PRESIDENT can engineer sales of their “products” to a STATE because he said so.
They have nothing left. They have traded not just their supposed “ideological” beliefs for Dear Leader but everything they know to be true about what they sell and who they sell it to. It’s a cult. They’re cult members.

He’s going to bankrupt them and they are still following him like zombies.

@Immanentize:

Like that apostrophe’s in your comment? Heh.
I don’t have autocorrect, thank goodness.

@Another Scott:

one can always tell transplants to the Atlanta area by hearing how they pronounce DeKalb County.

Or “Ponce de Leon.”

@Immanentize: My son and his (Mexican) girlfriend were over two weeks ago. Her English is very good (she took an MA in the US) but she must have had a brain fart when she stopped while writing something and asked “does ‘speech’ have an ‘a’?” I said, well “peach” does, so the answer is “no”.

@pat: I’m glad someone noticed!

@Kay: Yup. Impossible to dig themselves out now financially or ideologically. Money doesn’t grow on trees, and they’d have to admit to themselves that they got taken for a ride for decades. (Dump’s not responsible for all of the past 40 years of voting against your best interests. But damn if he’s the best GOP conman.)

@mrmoshpotato:

Oh, you know in a way it doesn’t matter. I watched Chernobyl and what it’s about, to me, is lying. Boom. They could lie all they wanted. It blew up. The reactor doesn’t know or care what they say- it’s a machine. The lies piled up and piled up and then it blew up.

Maybe Mexico can buy the farms at foreclosure and give them to the refugees, who are not even primarily Mexicans, I don’t think but since we’re lying about everything else I suppose we can lie about that too.

@tokyokie: Sent me by a woman I’d been on-off pursuing over many years, who’d introduced me to the local Irish pub music scene. Some years before she’d also posted me this valentine:

Cover: Little doggie clutching big red heart, little hearts fluttering around, Handwritten lengend, Will you be my Valentine?
Inside: It’s a thankless job, but someone has to do it.

Considering both source & recipient, one of the more spot-on cards ever sent.

@Kay: yep. The chinese government might have the power to order their ag companies where to buy soybeans, but Mexico? Next they’ll pretend that the president made them buy f150 trucks and air conditioners made in Indiana

@mrmoshpotato:

You’re all ridiculous, and years ago a buddy and I decided the plural of “moose” should be “meese.”

Well, the plural of “mouse” is “meeces.”

https://youtu.be/_QI_2ERlcM8

Vicente Fox on Twitter isn’t too happy with Lopez’s “deal”. At least Google Translate’s version says he’s not. Dunno how much of it is politics and how much is Fox bringing up actual problems…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cheers,
Scott.

@sdhays: Are they primarily from one of the 3 Mexicos, or are all 3 Mexicos equally represented?

@Another Scott:

Vicente Fox on Twitter isn’t too happy with Lopez’s “deal”. At least Google Translate’s version says he’s not. Dunno how much of it is politics and how much is Fox bringing up actual problems…

Even though the Mexican government’s reaction is smart and reasonable, a number of Mexican friends and clients think that Mexico acts as though it is America’s lapdog. They are frustrated and angry at what they see as an unnecessary appeasement of America. In turn, this makes them cynical and fear that the their government will never be able to become strong and truly competent.

Unfortunately, Trump is not aware of this sentiment, and probably would not care even if he knew, but his tactics work a raw nerve.

ETA. I don’t know how widespread this sentiment might be among many Mexicans, but I was surprised at how vehement this feeling was among a diverse group of people who have expressed an opinion about these issues, and how similar their responses are.

@Amir Khalid:

Do people who do that in writing pronounce it “an ‘istoric night”?

I do, or come awfully close. I shape my mouth for the h, but don’t aspirate to make the sound.

@Steve in the ATL:

An honour, an apron, an hour all make sense because the initial “h” is not pronounced.

By these examples, shouldn’t “An istorian” be acceptable?

I suspect that English didn’t sufficiently digest the Norman French “histoire.” Or also retained the Greek derived “historia.”

Similarly, it’s “Quelle horreur,” silent h, but a horror movie.

BTW, it used to be “a napron” (from naperon). And going the other way, it used to be “an otch,” instead of “a notch.”

@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Most of the people around him are used to buying their way around anything they say. They just pay for their mistakes. Normal people don’t have the spare change to do that.

This is silly. America was not facing a pea shortage.

@waysel

Even that is sort of fuzzy.

It sounds right to the ear, for example, to say:

Ed has a habit of offending.
Ed is an habitual offender.

Pronounce … or Sequiam

Skwim, I believe?

@Dan B:
Not just placenames. Pronounce “geoduck”.