Looks like Mexico agreed to a bunch of adjectives. Art of the deal.
— Sam Bagenstos (@sbagen) June 8, 2019
Mexico broke into its Strategic Superlatives stockpile, so — as of 6:15am EDT — our imported avocados remain affordable…
“President Trump called off his plan to impose tariffs on all Mexican goods on Friday night and announced on Twitter that the United States had reached an agreement with Mexico”@shearm https://t.co/N0NjVloa54 via @nytimes
— Michael Tackett (@tackettdc) June 8, 2019
For some reason, Democrats (and other sane people) fail to be overawed by the Squatter-in-Chief’s “accomplishment”!
This is an historic night!@realDonaldTrump has announced that he has cut a deal to “greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.”
Now that that problem is solved, I’m sure we won’t be hearing any more about it in the future. https://t.co/DNNfbevkGP
— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) June 8, 2019
1. Let Trump prove what he got. 2. Let Mexico confirm they got something. 3. Otherwise assume whole thing was a fraud. Why does he deserve benefit of the doubt? His — oh we can avoid this — started just after atrocious job #'s. Coincidence? I think not!
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) June 8, 2019
I guess Waters called it too. https://t.co/rPYJxSmi7D
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) June 8, 2019
Of COURSE he called off the tariffs.
He had to wait until the entire clickservative Trump media wrote 500000 words about how AMAAAAZING tariffs are, and how Trump STRONG LIKE BULL. pic.twitter.com/TWbTVIWEm6
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) June 8, 2019
Baud
Why couldn’t Trump negotiate that for Americans? #ArtoftheDeal
Baud
Antes
Mexico trabajará con los Estados Unidos sobre la problema del migrantes.
Despues
Mexico trabajará mucho con los Estados Unidos sobre la problema del migrantes.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I had to google CREAM–Cash Rules Everything Around Me. That fits.
Baud
@Baud:
Ugh. El problema.
Steve in the ATL
In case anyone needed one more reason to dislike Chuck Shumer.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud: this is America—speak Amer…er, English….
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: “A historic is more common in both American and British English, but both usages are sufficiently common to be considered correct.”
Amir Khalid
@Steve in the ATL:
Do people who do that in writing pronounce it “an ‘istoric night”?
Mai Naem mobile
I wouldn’t be surprised that Trumpov being a small man with small ideas pulls this stuff so that his family can make money making bets on the stock market. I.hope there are some people at the SEC watching the trading patterns of Trumpov’s extended families. Also his equally crooked pals at Treasury,DOJ,State and Commerce. I would like these people in prison after 2020 for insider trading.
NotMax
So no (mis)perceived need for Wall now, right? //
Steve in the ATL
@Amir_Khalid: I do, in my head, when I read that construction
@Gin & Tonic: I’m aware, but it’s still pretentious and stupid. Why is that ok but “an house” isn’t not? Makes no sense. It’s stupid. And pretentious.
Amir Khalid
By the way, I just sent my very first user feedback to YouTube. I said, “Hey YouTube, fuck you and your new embedded advertising.”
Immanentize
@Baud:
“If English was good enough for our Lord and Saviour, it is good enough or the people of Texas”
— Governor “Ma” Fergusson
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
If strictly following American English as opposed to British English, Chuck’s name ought to be pronounced SKOO-mer.
:)
germy
MattF
Bluff, bluster, bully. And then declare victory.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
An excellent idea. I nominate his cousin Amy to take up changing the pronunciation of the family name.
NotMax
@MattF
Blather, rinse, repeat.
;)
zhena gogolia
@germy:
“Our great patriot farmers”
He really isn’t shy about sounding like Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin, is he?
Amir Khalid
@germy:
If Trump says the Mexicans did agree to buy more American produce, then they did too, so there. Pout.
zhena gogolia
@Amir Khalid:
Do you mean the way the last few seconds of a video are ruined by superimposed ads for another video? I hate that! Is there any way to get rid of it?
chris
@germy: See attached map. There are no shovels big enough for all the bullshit.
germy
I didn’t know this about Kamala’s sister:
https://www.theroot.com/family-affair-maya-harris-is-painted-as-the-face-and-p-1835341726
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Steve in the ATL: It depends on how much you aspirate the H. I swallow the H in historic more than I do the one in house.
germy
germy
Amir Khalid
@zhena gogolia:
I’m seeing a pre-video ad, which I must watch (and listen to) for at least five seconds before the Skip Ad button is activated, the video interrupted twice or more by an ad with a five-second delay on the Skip Ad button, and an ad at the end of the video. I can click away just before the end of the video and avoid the last one, but the others infuriate me.
Sab
@Baud: Wow. That’s a BIG change by Mexico.
Peking Man
@Amir Khalid: I do. And I would not be surprised if Steve in the ATL does too.
Ajabu
@Steve in the ATL:
The wonderful consistency of English:
louse – lice
mouse – mice
house – houses
Should’t that be hice?
Sab
@Baud: Also, I haven’t studied Spanish since I left Florida at age 12 in 1966, but I could read that.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Never seen an ad of any sort on YouTube. Browser settings adjusted to let through the barest minimum of javascript necessary for a video to show up. With Firefox, that’s setting the NoScript add-on to allow only 2 sources: youtube.com and googlevideo.com.
Amir Khalid
@Amir Khalid:
While I’m on the subject, has anyone else noticed Internet adertising suddenly becoming much more aggressive of late? It seems that these days every time I fire up the intertubes, Adblock Plus has forgotten all my settings, including my very few whitelisted sites.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
How do I get NoScript?
NotMax
@Ajabu
As spouse doesn’t become spice, one could hypothesize there are differing rules for the living versus the inaminate.
;)
Immanentize
@Ajabu:
Tough
Dough
Sab
@Peking Man: Steve would probably insist on saying “a historic”, which sounds pretentious and awkward to many of us older people.
Of course I still use a flip-phone.
O. Felix Culpa
@Immanentize: @Immanentize: Bough
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Can get it here.
Before Firefox changed to its current Quantum configuration, NoScript was spectacular and a snap to use. Post-Quantum, it is a clunkier interface and has a less flat learning curve but has improved muchly since the initial post-Quantum version.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
Cough
Bough
Through
Hiccough
pat
If you want to get all huffy about “an historic day,” when will we start to make fun of the people right here on this blog who don’t know when to use it’s or its
Hint: It’s is short for IT IS.
NotMax
@Immanentize
Laughter.
Slaughter.
tokyokie
@Immanentize: I usually pronounce “doughnuts” as though the first syllable rhymes with “tough,” but then I usually pronounce the “g” in “diaphragm” and give the “c” in “disciples” a hard pronunciation. And I do all that just to amuse myself by being annoying.
Sab
@pat: To, too, two.
NotMax
@pat
A handy trick to keep in mind when using the possessive is to remember there is no apostrophe in his or hers, same as there isn’t one for its
NotMax
@tokyokie
Go to the aquarium to see the ghoti tanks?
:)
Wag
@Steve in the ATL:
What do you have against proper grammar?
The sentence constructions is absolutely correct. And it is certainly better than the ahistorical timeline in which we currently find ourselves.
Uncle Cosmo
Worst St. Patrick’s day card I ever saw: Avocado walking down the street wearing a bowler hat with a stupid smile on its Mr-Potato-Head face & a stogie in its fake fingers. Inside caption: How are things in Guacamole?
Baud
@Baud:
Ugh. Also, it should be “de los migrantes.”
I need to do an extra Duolingo session today.
tokyokie
@Uncle Cosmo: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a St. Patrick’s Day card, but then the greeting-card industry prints cards for all sorts of occasions I don’t recognize.
hells littlest angel
Hey, it’s a SIGNED AGREEMENT! No president has ever, I think, gotten one of those before.
germy
@Sab:
The trick is to leave a dramatic pause between “a” and “historic” (This is a . . . historic day!”)
Immanentize
@pat: That “it’s” versus “its” happens in part because of autocorrect which is always adding apostrophe’s for some unknown reason.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
By that, do you mean setting everything in Per-site Permissions to UNTRUSTED except those two?
Adam L Silverman
1) The US is required by law to retain asylum seekers and asylees within the US by US statutory law, as well as Senate ratified treaty obligations that have the force of US statutory law. It cannot legally fob them off on a third country as their applications are processed.
2) Mexico does not currently have the “National Guard” that is referenced in this report. As a result they do not have anyone to actually deploy to their southern border.
3) We can infer from 1 and 2, that there is no “there, there” with this agreement. Mexico took advantage of the President being ignorant and bought itself 90 days. We’ll see what it does in 90 days.
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: Da.
NotMax
[email protected]Amir Khalid
I leave everything except those two at Default and set only those two to Trusted.
germy
@Adam L Silverman: The gullible editors of my local newspapers are printing the administration’s version of events. Which means it’ll be repeated on my local TV news.
zhena gogolia
@Adam L Silverman:
Dear Adam, please go to the thread immediately below this one and read Scotian’s comment #42 — I think it will mean a lot to you.
Amir Khalid
@Immanentize:
Sensible people either don’t enable autocorrect in the first place or disable it ASAP..
debbie
@Baud:
Because he’s too damn busy taking them away from juvenile immigrant detainees.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I’m on Volume 2 of the Mueller Report, and I’m struck again by how much all these people, including the president, lie, even when they have to know their lie will be uncovered. Or maybe they don’t know. Maybe they’re used to living in small worlds without the scrutiny and cross-checking they’re now being subjected to.
Steve in the ATL
@Sab: et tu, Sab?
@Peking Man: I sometimes find myself talking like Dick Van Dyke in “Mary Poppins”!
debbie
@Steve in the ATL:
If he were speaking that sentence, I think the “a” would have served as additional emphasis to “historic,” more so than “an” would, but what do i know — I think he’s snarking Trump, but in a way Trump will take as praise.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Whenever people wax enthusiastic over how reliable self-driving cars will be I have a one word response. “Autocorrect.”
;)
mrmoshpotato
@germy: Lucky you!
You have my sympathy. I can’t even stand the teaser commercials for the news.
“Blah blah blah. You’ll never believe what happened. We investigate tonight at 9.” Oh shut up and get the game back on.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
Worked a charm. Muchas gracias.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: @Amir Khalid: AutocorCRASH!
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: Thanks for the heads up. I just read it and left a reply.
Sab
@Steve in the ATL: Excellent. I was trying to come up with another homophone but I failed.
SFAW
@Steve in the ATL:
Schumer.
And your just pissed because he was doing the pedant thing, and you don’t like the competition.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
I once had a colleague named Kenneth Teh. The first implementation of autocorrect on Microsoft Word, many years ago, would not let him type his surname.
SFAW
@pat:
Its a puzzlement?
Amir Khalid
@Steve in the ATL:
Dick van Dyke’s “Cockney” accent in that movie is mocked in Britain to this day.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Heh. IIRC it also would gag on the word spellchecker.
SFAW
@NotMax:
Steve in the WTFKWHI fixed that by dropping the “c.”
Sab
@NotMax: Year before last my accounting firm tried to using a scanning program to input data into the tax program. The results were hilarious.
Another Scott
@Ajabu: I don’t know enough French to be even a novice, but …
Renault
Peugeot
Escargot
Deux
Eau
‘How do you spell the ending “OO” sound in French?’
‘Any way you like!!1’
It’s a good thing they have a bunch of brainiacs keeping the French language pure and consistent!
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
Hm. Promo now on TCM for Medium Cool this coming Tuesday at 10 p.m. Eastern. A revolutionary act of film making at the time, wonder how (or if) it holds up fifty years on.
One of those movies which stayed for months at the theater where I was an usher.
zhena gogolia
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Every American citizen should read it. I’m surprised the major journalists don’t feel any obligation to do so.
Sab
@Another Scott: In Ohio we have a neighboring county, Geauga, pronounced “jee-aw-ghuh.” The national weather alerts pronounce it “go-guh”. Very weird to hear.
LC
@Steve in the ATL:
It makes perfect sense depending on how you pronounce “historic”. If the h is aspirated, it is going to be “a”. If it isn’t aspirated (because you don’t stress the first syllable for instance) it is going to sound more like a vowel, so you say “an”. It’s not pretentious, it is natural language. Are you against saying “it is an honour”? Do you object to saying an apron?
LC
@Ajabu: @Amir Khalid:
I think Dick van Dyke formally apologized for his accent in that movie.
Another Scott
@Sab: I never knew how to pronounce Bellefontaine, OH until I heard locals do it several times. My brother pronouncing it as if it were French didn’t help. ;-)
Similarly, one can always tell transplants to the Atlanta area by hearing how they pronounce DeKalb County.
Here in NoVA there’s a street called “Wythe” named after George Wythe. It’s pronounced “with”.
Language is weird, especially American English.
Cheers,
Scott.
JAFD
Al Sicherman, in his book ‘Caramel Knowledge’, had a reciye for ‘Mockagoule’, replacing the mashed avocado with softened butter.
Thot I might have to dig it up and post it…
NotMax
@JAFD
What, no peas?
:)
Steve in the ATL
@Amir Khalid: as it should be. And has Patrick Swayze’s attempt at a southern accent in “North and South” been topped yet? Or bottomed, if you prefer.
@LC: n honour, an apron, an hour all make sense because the initial “h” is not pronounced. In “history”, “historic”, “historian”, et al, the initial “h” is pronounced. Unless you’re Dick Van Dyke.
@Another Scott: “ou”. As in “beaucoup” or just “où”, which means “where”
Kay
@germy:
Maybe it’s time for farmers to get their head out of their asses. “Mexico” doesn’t buy anything from them. The country doesn’t purchase agricultural products. Mexico agreed on behalf of large and small purchasers in Mexico to buy “large quantities”? Really? How does that work? Mexico orders purchasers to buy “more”? More than they need and can sell? More than they were planning on buying last Thursday when Trump shot off his mouth?
If farmers don’t know this is complete and utter nonsense then they should lose their farms.
Steve in the ATL
@Sab:
That’s not far off of how many people in my adopted home state pronounce “Georgia”, though it’s usually closer to “jaw-ja”
mrmoshpotato
@JAFD: Who doesn’t like dipping tortilla chips into a slab of butter?
“Why is your blood pressure rising as I’m taking it?”
“I’m think about buttered tortilla chips, Doc.”
Kay
@germy:
Donald Trump has so deluded our “great” farmers that they now believe the country of Mexico buys their products.
Is “Mexico” buying cars too? A car per person? Or will they order Mexicans to purchase one each?
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
That time was before casting their vote.
James E Powell
@Steve in the ATL:
It’s neither stupid nor pretentious. It’s just one of a very large number of differences among the English speaking peoples. I grew up hearing people say “an ‘istoric” and “an ‘istorian” so that’s what sounds right to me. I always knew there were differences on this, but this is the first time anyone seemed angry about it.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I thought it had something to do with history coming from French and house coming from German. Like maybe the “aitches” were pronounced differently or not at all back in the day.
Steeplejack
@germy:
God, that’s a real Trump tweet. I thought it was something from a spoof account like that DPRK North Korean one.
Steve in the ATL
@Another Scott: you probably know this, but the French language developed when the Romans invaded Gaul. The Gaulois (heh) were too primitive to pronounce the full Latin words so they bailed on the endings.
Much of the vocabulary and grammar are almost identical to Latin. Par example, the verb “to be”.
Latin:
Sum
Es
Est
Sumus
Estis
Sunt
French:
Je suis
Tu es
Il/elle est
Nous sommes
Vous êtes (or estes, as the circumflex replace the “s”)
Ils sommes
Someone page Omnes to correct any mistakes I may have made.
Steve in the ATL
@James E Powell: it’s a pet peeve; I don’t actually lose any sleep over it.
And what Americans say “‘istorian” or “‘istoric”? Guests at dinner parties in Cambridge?
Kay
@mrmoshpotato:
You know, the whole thing is hysterical. People who have spent the last 200 years screaming that they are bootstrapping free marketeers believe THE PRESIDENT can engineer sales of their “products” to a STATE because he said so.
They have nothing left. They have traded not just their supposed “ideological” beliefs for Dear Leader but everything they know to be true about what they sell and who they sell it to. It’s a cult. They’re cult members.
He’s going to bankrupt them and they are still following him like zombies.
James E Powell
@Adam L Silverman:
Required by law, legally, such quaint concepts.
pat
@Immanentize:
Like that apostrophe’s in your comment? Heh.
I don’t have autocorrect, thank goodness.
NotMax
@Steve in the ATL
Kate Hepburn’s hillbilly in Spitfire.
Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker’s Dracula.
And so many, many more.
:)
SiubhanDuinne
@Another Scott:
Or “Ponce de Leon.”
Munira il
@Steve in the ATL: ils sont and deux is pronounced doo
Gin & Tonic
@Immanentize: My son and his (Mexican) girlfriend were over two weeks ago. Her English is very good (she took an MA in the US) but she must have had a brain fart when she stopped while writing something and asked “does ‘speech’ have an ‘a’?” I said, well “peach” does, so the answer is “no”.
scav
H is where English digs deep and reveals its inner chaos. Line eveyone in the anglophone world up and have them intone “a(n) historic herb”
I might beware the pronounceation of deux up there. Not that I’ve been to all the regions.
Immanentize
@pat: I’m glad someone noticed!
Honus
@NotMax: mouse
mrmoshpotato
@Kay: Yup. Impossible to dig themselves out now financially or ideologically. Money doesn’t grow on trees, and they’d have to admit to themselves that they got taken for a ride for decades. (Dump’s not responsible for all of the past 40 years of voting against your best interests. But damn if he’s the best GOP conman.)
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: You’re all ridiculous, and years ago a buddy and I decided the plural of “moose” should be “meese.”
Kay
@mrmoshpotato:
Oh, you know in a way it doesn’t matter. I watched Chernobyl and what it’s about, to me, is lying. Boom. They could lie all they wanted. It blew up. The reactor doesn’t know or care what they say- it’s a machine. The lies piled up and piled up and then it blew up.
Maybe Mexico can buy the farms at foreclosure and give them to the refugees, who are not even primarily Mexicans, I don’t think but since we’re lying about everything else I suppose we can lie about that too.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
I’m good with that.
Uncle Cosmo
@tokyokie: Sent me by a woman I’d been on-off pursuing over many years, who’d introduced me to the local Irish pub music scene. Some years before she’d also posted me this valentine:
Considering both source & recipient, one of the more spot-on cards ever sent.
sdhays
@Kay:
They all come from “Mexican countries”, so it’s all good.
Peale
@Kay: yep. The chinese government might have the power to order their ag companies where to buy soybeans, but Mexico? Next they’ll pretend that the president made them buy f150 trucks and air conditioners made in Indiana
soga98
@Steve in the ATL:
Yep Many French words have Latin parallels, eg “comme” as in “comme il faut” with”cum”. Few now realise that “cum grano salis” is “like grains of salt”, ie “sparingly”.
Brachiator
@mrmoshpotato:
Well, the plural of “mouse” is “meeces.”
https://youtu.be/_QI_2ERlcM8
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: maybe they can invite China to build a base and call them the national guard. Or Build one for Iran. Or put six Cubans there. Something might give Bolton a heart attack.
Another Scott
Vicente Fox on Twitter isn’t too happy with Lopez’s “deal”. At least Google Translate’s version says he’s not. Dunno how much of it is politics and how much is Fox bringing up actual problems…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cheers,
Scott.
Aleta
@germy: but only from the GREAT PATRIOT farmers. Any farmer who’s still hurting? It’s their own fault for insufficent donations of the patriotic kind.
mrmoshpotato
@sdhays: Are they primarily from one of the 3 Mexicos, or are all 3 Mexicos equally represented?
burnspbesq
@Steve in the ATL:
I’m assuming, until proven otherwise, that Chuck’s tweet was intended as snark.
Brachiator
@Another Scott:
Even though the Mexican government’s reaction is smart and reasonable, a number of Mexican friends and clients think that Mexico acts as though it is America’s lapdog. They are frustrated and angry at what they see as an unnecessary appeasement of America. In turn, this makes them cynical and fear that the their government will never be able to become strong and truly competent.
Unfortunately, Trump is not aware of this sentiment, and probably would not care even if he knew, but his tactics work a raw nerve.
ETA. I don’t know how widespread this sentiment might be among many Mexicans, but I was surprised at how vehement this feeling was among a diverse group of people who have expressed an opinion about these issues, and how similar their responses are.
joel hanes
@Baud:
De 100 problemas que tienes
10 por pendejo
90 por metiche
joel hanes
@Amir Khalid:
Do people who do that in writing pronounce it “an ‘istoric night”?
I do, or come awfully close. I shape my mouth for the h, but don’t aspirate to make the sound.
LuciaMia
Can you make that any more vague, Dear Leader?
Brachiator
@Steve in the ATL:
By these examples, shouldn’t “An istorian” be acceptable?
I suspect that English didn’t sufficiently digest the Norman French “histoire.” Or also retained the Greek derived “historia.”
Similarly, it’s “Quelle horreur,” silent h, but a horror movie.
BTW, it used to be “a napron” (from naperon). And going the other way, it used to be “an otch,” instead of “a notch.”
LC
@Steve in the ATL:
But that’s nonsense. For many people, “historic” and “historian” have an unstressed first syllable, which means it resembles a vowel, so it gets “an”. That’s still common. Hell, I would say that in the northeast it is more common to have “an” than not. (The point of mentioning “apron” is that I thought if this is your argument, you would be opposed to the word and insist it go back to being “a napron”.)
@Steve in the ATL:
How charmingly bigoted of you. The romance languages evolved from Vulgar Latin, which had already started altering the grammatical case structure. “The barbarians were too primitive to speak well” is very classically classist though.
Ruckus
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Most of the people around him are used to buying their way around anything they say. They just pay for their mistakes. Normal people don’t have the spare change to do that.
Honus
@Steve in the ATL: since you went to W&L I assume you know the proper pronunciation of Buena Vista.
Ryan
This is silly. America was not facing a pea shortage.
waysel
@Steve in the ATL: @Steve in the ATL: @Steve in the ATL: I just realized the trick is that you must use a long “A” before a hard “H”. ‘Ah’ historic sounds dumb vs ‘A’ historic to me.
NotMax
@waysel
Even that is sort of fuzzy.
It sounds right to the ear, for example, to say:
Ed has a habit of offending.
Ed is an habitual offender.
Dan B
@Sab: I grew up in N Ohio so know how to pronounce Geauga. In WA state there are some doozies. Pronounce Puyallup, or Sequiam. Even local broadcasters don’t get them, and others, right.
SFAW
Skwim, I believe?
Dan B
@SFAW: Very good! For years I said poo-ya-loop while making a funny face because I knew it was the wrong pronunciation.
soga98
@Dan B:
Not just placenames. Pronounce “geoduck”.
Villago Delenda Est
@Dan B: Pew-al-up. Simple!
@soga98: gooeyduck