Election 2020 Open Thread: If You Thought Trump Hated CNN Now

Dale’s the Toronto Star reporter who’s been relentless live-blogging and fact-checking Trump’s every rally. Lord Smallgloves is gonna have a meltdown as soon as somebody — probably on Fox News — dares to tell him about it.






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    TenguPhule says:

    Speaking of which, Trump was trying to organize a boycott of AT&T over CNN.

    Yes, it was as ridiculous as it sounds. But he was serious about it.

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    piratedan says:

    I am hopeful that DDale will be able to maintain his focus on the GOP and not get sent down the path the prove the veracity of all Dem contenders, because I can sure as hell see that happening.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Trump likens Irish border issue to wall between US and Mexico

    Oh my fucking dog.

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    TenguPhule says:

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) called on Senate Republicans to support President Trump’s plan to impose tariffs on Mexican exports unless that country does more to try to force action to curb illegal border crossings.

    “End of the day we should support the president so we can get an agreement so we don’t have tariffs. Them talking about not supporting him undercuts his ability to do that,” McCarthy, who has emerged as a staunch ally of the White House on Capitol Hill, told reporters Wednesday.

    “What I think, is we should we should empower the president to be able to have a strong hand in negotiations,” he added. “You don’t hear anybody in Mexico, undercutting there at the same time. We should be united so there won’t be tariffs and have a strong hand in that negotiation.”

    McCarthy is the biggest tool for Trump I have ever seen. Even Lindsay Graham backed off from this one.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Donald Trump said he believes Mexico is prepared to make a deal to avert tariffs.

    “Mexico, you know, wants to make a deal,” he told reporters on a trip to Ireland, according to a pool report. “They have their entire delegation right now going over to probably the White House location to negotiate with our people.

    That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.

    /facepalm

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    MattF says:

    Does Trump know what the words ‘true’ and ‘valid’ mean? Seems unlikely.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Prince Charles spent 75 minutes longer than scheduled trying to convince Donald Trump of the dangers of global heating, but Trump still insisted the US was “clean” and blamed other nations for the crisis.

    SEVENTY FIVE MINUTES and the stupid ass fatberg just ignored the entire attempt to educate him.

    “I did say, ‘Well, the United States right now has among the cleanest climates there are based on all statistics.’ And it’s even getting better because I agree with that we want the best water, the cleanest water. It’s crystal clean, has to be crystal clean clear.”

    Trump added: “China, India, Russia, many other nations, they have not very good air, not very good water, and the sense of pollution. If you go to certain cities … you can’t even breathe, and now that air is going up … They don’t do the responsibility.”

    We are so utterly, utterly fucked.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Teacher Georgia Clark told Fort Worth school district officials she didn’t realize her comments about illegal immigration were public when she reached out to Donald Trump on Twitter.

    Clark, an English teacher at Carter-Riverside High School, was placed on administrative leave with pay last week after a series of posts caused a backlash on social media. She urged Trump to pay attention to illegal immigration and specifically called out her campus.

    “Mr. President, Fort Worth Independent School District is loaded with illegal students from Mexico,” read one of the posts linked to her account. “Carter-Riverside High School has been taken over by them.”

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    Plato says:

    He hasn’t yet even joined the emmessem and he is already bothsidesing it. Jeez.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Fat Boy is going to screw up the 4th of July in DC by speaking at the Lincoln Memorial.

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    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Here’s Kevin McCarthy’s district. Besides the Oil Patch the rest of its economy is entirely agricultural. Mexico tariffs are not going to go over well with the ag bidnez that keeps Kevin in office.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    This is GREAT news. Dale’s live fact-checking of Trump’s tsunami of lies has been a rare bright spot in a mainstream media that seems pole-axed and unable to respond appropriately to the challenges of a pathological liar in the White House. Dale not only fact-checks shit in real time, he gives fellow journalists and regular schmoes alike tips about how to do it, such as pointing out that Trump often tells the same fucking lies over and over, so there’s really no excuse for NOT calling it out.

    Dale’s pledge to “dissect dishonesty” from Democratic candidates as well as Trump doesn’t worry me because 1) Democrats don’t lie all the time, and 2) from everything I’ve read to-date, Dale seems like a fair guy who doesn’t buy the false equivalence narrative. We’ll see, I guess, and CNN’s record isn’t great on that score. But on the whole, the Dale hire is a good sign from a big media player, IMO.

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    Sen. Warren’s new trade policy landed. Jobs training, industrial policy (targeting specific sectors for subsidies and protection), and reining in the traditional/dying bipartisan consensus on free trade. Given the state of the race this may represent the most conservative proposal we see from the serious Dem contenders.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/04/elizabeth-warren-has-plan-nations-approach-trade/#click=https://t.co/YLeHxQU3Uv

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    germy says:

    Clinton News Network

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    MattF says:

    @zhena gogolia: Which, fwiw, would screw up the fireworks, since they are fired off near the Memorial. Assuming (despite tariffs) that it will be possible to buy fireworks.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Teacher Georgia Clark told Fort Worth school district officials she didn’t realize her comments about illegal immigration were public when she reached out to Donald Trump on Twitter.

    @TenguPhule: I rarely say anything like this, as I’m married to a teacher, the job is horrible, and I try not to judge anyone who is trying to roll a boulder uphill…but this woman is too dumb to teach. Twitter is nothing but public.

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    Kay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    He does care about that though. That’s the way to get him on it. Say he’s making the air and water dirty and filthy. That he will lower the value of the property – the United States. That will drive him fucking crazy. Portray it as him receiving a piece of property and then making it filthy and undesirable, where it’s worth less. He doesn’t recognize any kind of public interest and he actually sees himself as the owner. Accuse him of spoiling the asset.

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    Kay says:

    @TenguPhule:

    When we were trying to get politically conservative landowners here to oppose a CAFO, a “megafarm”, – “farmers”- people who own a lot of property this is sometimes farmed, really, we told them it would stink and bring hordes of flies and pollute the groundwater – meaning the wells THEY drill and drink from. They opposed because they were worried about decreased value of an asset they hold. That’s how Trump thinks of the United States. He’s the landlord.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Conservative in what sense?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I’ll be on the truth beat full-time starting June 17, dissecting dishonesty from Trump, Democratic candidates and others.

    I can already see how this is going to go and it is nowhere good.

    Dale’s pledge to “dissect dishonesty” from Democratic candidates as well as Trump doesn’t worry me because 1) Democrats don’t lie all the time, and 2) from everything I’ve read to-date, Dale seems like a fair guy who doesn’t buy the false equivalence narrative. We’ll see, I guess, and CNN’s record isn’t great on that score.

    @Betty Cracker: Dale won’t control what hits the page; his editors will. Given CNN’s dismal track record of insisting on bothsiderism, do you really think they’re going to make an exception for him?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: Pole-axed is the perfect word.

    Glad to hear of this hire. They should bring Soledad O’Brian back too.

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    SFAW says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    She thought that, because she didn’t click on the “Reply/All” button, only the Racist-in-Chief would receive it.

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    @Betty Cracker: she’s tended to take the least central-planning/heavy-handed/doctrinaire-liberal approach to the whole capitalism thing (of the major candidates with policy proposals)

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    NonyNony says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Speaking of which, Trump was trying to organize a boycott of AT&T over CNN.

    Honestly I’d like to see someone try it. Do you think he knows just how much AT&T owns?

    https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/here-are-all-the-companies-att-time-warner-will-own-after-the-merger-2

    (I didn’t know some of these were owned by AT&T myself to be honest – who knew that they owned the anime streaming service “Crunchyroll”?

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    Kay says:

    Both former Vice President Joe Biden of Delaware and U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont showed 12-point margins over the first-term Republican incumbent in a Glengariff Group public opinion survey of 600 likely voters released to The Detroit News and WDIV-TV (Local 4). Three other Democrats included in the poll were preferred over Trump by less substantial margins.

    Bad news for the Trump Family and their low quality hires. Mr. Blue Collar Heartland Incumbent shouldn’t be 12 points down in Michigan. I maintain that the real measure of how Trump is faring is how many top-tier Democrats entered to run against him. They’re not stupid. They wouldn’t have done it if they thought he was strong. They would have waited. They have their own political calculus. They think he’s weak. Aside from any principled opposition to him they think he’s a weak incumbent.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @The Moar You Know: I don’t think Dale’s presence will banish both-sidesism at CNN, if that’s what you mean. But I do think it’s a positive sign that they hired a guy who made his name fact-checking Trump in real time rather than adding another insipid hack like, say, Chris Cillizza.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Just when you think he can’t sink any lower: Fat Bastard goes on “Good Morning Britain” and excuses himself for being a cowardly draft dodger 50 years ago by saying he’s increasing the DOD budget.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Okay, now I see what you mean. Despite having read up on it, I’m unclear on where many of the candidates stand on economic policy broadly speaking. Except Sanders, of course, who’s been shouting the same talking points since the 1980s.

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    Cacti says:

    In proof that sometimes the arc of the moral universe really does bend toward justice:

    Linda Fairstein, chief prosecutor in the railroading of the Central Park Five, has recently had to resign from:

    The Board of Trustees at Vassar College, the Board of Directors at the Safe Horizon, God’s Love We Deliver, and the Joyful Heart Foundation charitable organizations, in response to outrage after the Netflix miniseries on the Central Park Five case, “When They See Us”.

    As recently as last year, Fairstein submitted an op-ed to the New York Law Journal, insisting that the Five were guilty, their confessions weren’t coerced, and she was blameless, exonerating evidence be damned.

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    Plato says:

    Lol.

    tell me they fired cillizza and they’re giving you all his money— Me Tweet Pretty One Day (@DCCrackhead) June 5, 2019

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    Martin says:

    This is the part about power plays that Trump has never understood. At some point the bullied party realizes nothing they do will appease the bully. At that point they say fuck it, and they go for broke. I remember that moment in middle school when my two bullies kept pushing harder. I was legitimately in fear of my well being. The next time they came at me, I went at both of them with a large pipe wrench. Put both of them in the hospital – one for a month with a skull fracture. I might have killed one of them if not for some random adult that pulled me off of them and calmed me down (my dad did get his pipe wrench back). I didn’t expect to come out on top. I expected to get in way more trouble than I got into. But I wasn’t going to go out without a fight.

    I don’t understand why every journalistic outfit isn’t dropping the pretense. Just tell the truth. Call out his lies as lies. Call out his criminal behavior as criminal behavior. Call out his psychiatric problems as psychiatric problems. There’s nothing left to lose.

    I say the same to House Democrats. Quit trying to negotiate. Start arresting them for contempt of Congress. They’ve shown their hand. They aren’t going to change. You have to force it. It sucks, but it’s their decision.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @TenguPhule: The man would be mute if he couldn’t use adjectives. Please, for the love of all that’s holy, someone please make it so!

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    NotMax says:

    “Failing CNN had to go outside America to find someone because all real Americans LOVE ME and hate Fake News! SAD!!”

    //

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Elizabelle:

    They should bring Soledad O’Brian back too.

    Given her no fucks to give outlook on Twitter as relates to CNN and their output, I’m thinking those bridges are far beyond burned. Assuming she even had an inclination to return, which I doubt.

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    Dr Ronnie James DO says:

    “American Media Giant Outsources Actual Journalism”

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Mike in NC: Bold move, for a chicken hawk.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Twitter is nothing but public.

    Not quite true. There is a direct message option that keeps things somewhat private. She didn’t happen to use that feature apparently.

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    NotMax says:

    @NonyNony

    And he certainly doesn’t know about the juicy government contracts they’ve been awarded.

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    @JaySinWA: I assumed she meant she had a protected account, which only people you approve can see

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    JaySinWA says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Ah, I had forgotten that option existed as well.

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    JaySinWA says:

    @JaySinWA: OTOH if she had a protected account wouldn’t Donnie have to be following her? It’s not clear from the description what happens to tweets directed to someone not following you, but taken literally they should not be able to see them, but perhaps they are interpreted as a DM instead of a tweet? Or made public by default, which would be bad policy.

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    @JaySinWA: if somebody replies to a hidden tweet, the reply shows up but you can’t access the hidden one.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Orrrrrr, and here’s a thought, she’s just stupid?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I am not much of a Twitter user so I don’t know all the features, but I assumed she thought Twitter worked like email and if she followed Trump and at-ed him it would be sort of like when your boss emails everyone at the company and when you reply it only goes back to him privately.

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    sherpaick says:

    Dale’s work and twits would certainly had not been allowed at the NY Times. Would create the “appearance” bias to report the facts about Trump’s lies.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Trump to speak at Lincoln Memorial during July 4 celebration

    I swear I thought this was just a joke.

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    tokyokie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Fat Boy is going to screw up the 4th of July in DC by speaking at the Lincoln Memorial.

    Maybe somebody will convince him that it’s right across the street from the home of the Cornhuskers.

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    Hob says:

    Good Lord, I had no idea Dale was doing all that on his own time as a hobby. I’m all for him getting paid for it.

    As for whether he’ll have editorial interference, I guess we’ll see. This kind of thing is what Dale is known for now, so if CNN ostensibly hires him to do it but then doesn’t let him do it, I’d expect either Dale will leave or we’ll find out that he doesn’t really want to do it that much.

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    J R in WV says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    …I assumed she thought Twitter worked like email and if she followed Trump and at-ed him it would be sort of like when your boss emails everyone at the company and when you reply it only goes back to him privately.

    Unless you click on the “reply all” option… or don’t know the diff. So many people have comprehension issues of plain old Englilsh text !! For some reason, nearly all conservatives often have this problem!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Major Major Major Major: protectionism isn’t liberal doctrine. FDR, New Deal and Keynesian economics oppose protectionism and support trade.

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