Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Making Progress, Slowly


Too, also — per the Washington Post:

The House will vote next Tuesday on whether to hold Attorney General William P. Barr and former White House counsel Donald McGahn in contempt, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) announced.

“This Administration’s systematic refusal to provide Congress with answers and cooperate with Congressional subpoenas is the biggest cover-up in American history, and Congress has a responsibility to provide oversight on behalf of the American people,” Hoyer said in a statement Monday night.

The announcement comes amid rising frustration among Democrats at what they view as stonewalling by the White House. It also comes on the same day that Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said his panel will vote on whether to hold Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt for failing to comply with a bipartisan subpoena for documents on a Trump administration plan to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census…

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


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    Lapassionara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yea. Ditto. Just started raining here. Just what we need.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😊😊😊

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    Baud says:


    Good morning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Lapassionara: My son and I are going to the ballgame Thursday. Guess what the forecast is?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Sitting in a restaurant with family, waiting to have Iftar on the last day of Ramadhan.

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    SFAW says:


    It’s as if this entire maladministration looked at Teapot Dome and Watergate, and said “Hold our beer.”


    Every last one.

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    satby says:

    @Amir Khalid: I know it’s a joyous community celebration, so have a wonderful Eid al Iftar!

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid: Bon appetit!

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    debbie says:

    DJT expected to sign bill.

    I’d almost bet he doesn’t. He can’t be seen to be helping the browns.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning rikyrah!

    I just spent the last hour looking for miscreant Bubba, who took off after a bunny at 5:30. And then after I had walked past the spot twice was just sitting on the sidewalk of the block behind me, evidently waiting for me to come back with the car so he could ride home. The little shit.

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    satby says:

    @Amir Khalid: @satby: Eid al Fitr.
    And Kindle is still fighting me on spelling it right.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    Sounds so wonderful. Family, food, and wisdom gained.

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    SFAW says:


    Guess what the forecast is?

    Fire and brimstone? Plagues of locusts?

    ETA: The entire stadium yelling “BLECH”?

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: but he was plumb tuckered out from that rabbit chase!

    (Bubba certainly knows how to hide.)

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    Immanentize says:

    But the bill helps far more of his base than it helps P.R. That’s why it is how it is, to force Trump to avoid vetoing.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @SFAW: I’m going to a ballgame, not a church.

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    debbie says:


    I can’t stop laughing, thinking that anyone could control Trump. He weaseled out of that bipartisan immigration bill, and he’ll weasel out of this one.

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    germy says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Sitting in a restaurant with family, waiting to have Iftar on the last day of Ramadhan.

    SCHENECTADY & NISKAYUNA — Fatima Mohammed, a Schenectady High School senior, has been excited about her senior prom since she was a little girl.

    In the movies and TV shows she watched, the dream prom was always the culmination of your time in school. She has her hairstyle picked out — even though she still needs an appointment with a stylist. She kept looking for that perfect dress – even though she was pretty sure she had already picked it out.

    “I’ve had my prom dress picked out for a couple years now,” she said in a recent interview.

    In April, though, when a friend texted Fatima to ask if she realized prom was scheduled during Ramadan, she realized her prom dreams may be dashed.

    Schenectady’s prom, along with the proms of many school districts around the Capital Region, has long been scheduled during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Over Ramadan, Muslims fast during the day and pray regularly. But it’s more than that, Fatima said. Ramadan is a time of spiritual growth, so Muslims also limit music and socializing as they seek peaceful reflection. So for many Muslim families, a party full of music and dance doesn’t square with religious observation. For Fatima, she couldn’t go to the school’s prom originally scheduled for May 31.

    “Even if they were cool, they just wouldn’t let you [go to prom],” she said of Muslim parents.

    So she got the prom moved to June 14.

    The date change didn’t happen overnight, though. After starting to ask around about getting the date changed, Fatima teamed up with Jadeana Cognetta-Whitfield, a fellow senior and budding activist involved with the school’s Roots Club and other programs aimed at amplifying student voice and action.

    “We are such a diverse school it didn’t make any sense this is a conflict we are dealing with,” Jadeana said of her initial thoughts after learning of the overlap between prom and Ramadan and what it would mean for many of the school’s Muslim students.

    Kids advocating for themselves these days. It’s good to see.

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    Three and a half hours of shooting pics last night and I’m going to get 2 pictures out of the exercise.

    BTW: Here’s one of them.

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie: this is not about weasels. Trump has to sign or veto. And, Trump has tried to never veto any bill. He has vetoed only 2 – the Yemen war powers bill and the bill over turning his border emergency declaration. I will be shocked if he dares to veto relief across the nation. He just can’t do it.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Ooo. I like!

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    NotMax says:

    It was 30 years ago…

    Identity of Tiananmen Square’s ‘Tank Man’ remains a mystery 30 years on

    The Chinese government’s worked to eliminate the memory of the man, censoring images of him and punishing those who have evoked him

    Highly related, from current events.

    Twitter Inc. has apologized for suspending accounts critical of Chinese government policy days ahead of the 30th anniversary of a bloody crackdown on protesters at Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, after an outcry among users. Source

    Talking privately with family and friends about Tiananmen is possible, but any commemoration in public risks almost certain arrest.

    Chinese rock musician Li Zhi dared to broach the taboo subject in one of his songs.

    He hasn’t been seen in public now for three months. His upcoming tour was cancelled and his social media accounts taken down.

    Then his music was removed from all of China’s major streaming sites — as if his career never existed at all.

    Chinese Human Rights Defenders, an advocacy group, said 13 people had either been detained or taken away from their homes in connection with the anniversary.

    Among them are several artists who recently embarked on a “national conscience exhibit tour” and a filmmaker who was detained after tweeting images of a liquor bottle commemorating June 4.

    The bottle’s label featured a play on words using baijiu, China’s signature grain alcohol, and the Chinese words for 89 or bajiu. A court convicted four people involved in designing the bottle in April.

    Foreign companies are not immune. Apple Music has removed from its Chinese streaming service a song by Hong Kong singer Jacky Cheung Hok-yau that references the Tiananmen crackdown.

    Wikipedia also announced this month the online encyclopaedia was no longer accessible in China. While the Chinese-language version has been blocked since 2015, most other languages could previously be viewed, Wikipedia said. Source

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    @Immanentize: Thanks, first time I’ve tried shooting star trails to not north(east this time). I should have used the fisheye.

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    satby says:

    @germy: wonderful story, thanks for sharing it.

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    Baud says:


    Why are the star trails curving in different directions?

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    NotMax says:


    Schenectady’s prom, along with the proms of many school districts around the Capital Region, has long been scheduled during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

    Sloppy, sloppy writing or plain old ignorance?. As Islam follows a lunar calendar, the dates of Ramadan move each year relative to the Gregorian calendar.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: The world is going to hell. Oh yeah, get off my lawn while you’re at it.

    shakes fist at clouds

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    Baud says:

    Raising a toast to Ken Jennings. The streak lives.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Interesting.

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    germy says:

    @NotMax: High school proms also move each year relative to the Gregorian calendar.

    I think the point of the article is that the prom THIS YEAR was scheduled during the holiday, and these girls advocated for themselves and their classmates so they could all enjoy something they’d been looking forward to for years. They met resistance from the school, but persisted.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    “Schenectady’s prom, along with the proms of many school districts around the Capital Region, has long been scheduled during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. ”

    That sounds improbable, since Ramadhan shifts around the Western calendar because a lunar year is only 354 days long.

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    @Baud: The stars will appear to circle(due to the earth’s rotation) each pole. This was shot to the east, so some stars will appear to circle the north pole star and some the south pole star.

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    JPL says:

    @NotMax: That’s awful. At least it can’t happen here.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Good news folks: Schrödinger’s cat could be saved, say scientists

    I’m sure we all will breathe a little easier knowing our friend and jackalmate SC’s fate is not necessarily sealed by the opening of a simple cardboard box.

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    Baud says:


    Interesting. I would have thought you need to be closer to the equator to get that effect.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: for the last 4 years, and next year, Ramadan has overlapped prom season in the U.S. So for those kids, their entire high school lives. But yes, sloppy reporting.
    ETA: and @Amir Khalid:

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    germy says:

    @satby: For a teenager, four or five years is a long time.

    In my dotage, I remember things from 20 years ago like they happened yesterday, but when I was a teenager, five years was like a life time.

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    Sab says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Do not even think about washing your car before you go.

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: I remember how shocked my Chinese exchange son (the one I was visiting in NYC) was when he saw the first pictures from the massacre. I think it was the 10th anniversary. He told me that the official news in China just said the protesters were dispersed with no injuries.
    I’m so glad he stayed, and now is an American citizen!

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    satby says:

    @germy: that’s awesome!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Sab: Seeing as in 60+ years I have never once washed a vehicle I own, we are safe from that particular threat. Watering the garden however…

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    Immanentize says:

    My guess is that the only thing Ozark washes on his truck is mud off his libtard bumper stickers.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    How can I catch up with all those overnight threads?????

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    Immanentize says:

    FYI I am now eating a most amazing ham and cheese croissant from a local bakery.

    Then i have to take my car to the body shop☹️

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: For once I hope it rains today. I’d like the mulch layer of the hugelkultur bed to get a good soak before I cover it with the soil. I was working outside yesterday to plant stuff around the yard but the mosquitoes drove me inside after an hour. So if it rains enough today I can finish after the market.
    All the rain has created some bumper mosquito hatchings.

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    NotMax says:

    @zhena gogolia



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    Gin & Tonic says:

    The NY Post (I know, feh) is reporting that Paul Fucking Manafort will be moved to Rikers Island this week, since he is facing a number of charges in NYC related to mortgage fraud.

    Hahahahaha. Rikers ain’t Club Fed.

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    Frankensteinbeck says:

    And McConnell publicly gave Trump permission to veto the budget overturn bill.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: Eid Mubarak, Amir

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    SFAW says:


    I’m going to a ballgame, not a church.

    Some might take issue with your distinguishing between the two.

    Cards, Royals, or non-MLB? (I have no idea which stadium you’re near.)

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    @Baud: We’re at about 37 degrees so we do get some southern pole rotation.

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    @germy: That was on APoD a few days ago.

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    JPL says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Sad and such a nice guy. lol I wonder if he is rethinking his policy of supporting trump at all costs.

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    SFAW says:


    But the bill helps far more of his base than it helps P.R.

    That it helps Puerto Rico is reason enough for him to veto it.

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    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Your pictures are amazing. When you go on a photo shoot, how long do you stay in one location?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    All the rain has created some bumper mosquito hatchings.

    Among the many joys of city living, is the proliferation of Aedes albopictus, the Asian tiger mosquito. Plenty of empty cans, used tires, badly draining gutters, pot holes, etc etc for them to breed in. We have them out here too, but they are no where near as bad as they are in STL. They are the spawn of the devil.

    Ae. albopictus is known to transmit pathogens and viruses, such as the yellow fever virus, dengue fever, Chikungunya fever,[2] and Usutu virus.[67] There is some evidence supporting the role of Ae. albopictus in the transmission of Zika virus, which is primarily transmitted by the related Ae. aegypti.[5]

    (looking at the range map, there are couple of hot spots at the southern end of Lake Michigan. I’m assuming you are within one of them, I may be wrong and you are plagued by our more polite native species.)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @JPL: Manafort has no “policy” other than the dollar. He will work for anyone who will pay him – the scorpion from the proverb.

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    @JPL: Thanks, it partly depends on the investment in getting there. I went to Joshua Tree on Saturday, it took 3 1/2 hours to get there, so I spent alot more time there than I did tonight when it only took a hour and change to get to Lockwood Valley.

    ETA: I also had my girls(the furry variety) will me on the trip to Joshua Tree, so that made it easier to stay longer. Then again, they were antsy to get home.

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    JPL says:

    @Gin & Tonic: It was nice of him to pay for the Mueller investigation though. I hope he rots at Rikers.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @SFAW: Cards (i live about 80 miles SE of STL) We wanted to go to the Sunday Cubs game but the tickets were somewhere north of $100 for crappy seats and I just can’t justify that. So instead we’re taking in a business man’s special against the Reds.for less than $40 for seats behind the 3rd base dugout. I might even be able to afford a beer or 2 at that price.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    James Joyner is not optomistic: Republican Apocalypse … Now?

    For years, I remained within the GOP fold even while criticizing the direction in which it was headed because I saw signs that reform was possible. While the grassroots of the party were going harder right, they continued to nominate saner voices like Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney at the top.

    And, historically, we’ve maintained the current two-party system since 1860 because the parties were what political scientists call catch-all parties and naturally evolved over time in response to changing social mores and voter preferences. It seemed inevitable that the Republican Party would become more appealing to black and Hispanic voters and more tolerant on the social issues because, well, that’s what had always happened. Indeed, I’d seen the Democratic Party go from virtually unelectable at the Presidential level to virtually unbeatable within my own time being keenly interested in politics.

    It hasn’t happened, though, and all the signs point in the opposite direction. The party has gone much harder right on some issues and doubled down on its nativism. And it’s because Brooks is fundamentally wrong: American structures are broken and can’t be realistically reformed.

    The Senate and Electoral College, designed as a necessary compromise in turning a confederation of 13 independent states into a union, magnify the power of retrograde voters while substantially muting the forces Judis, Teixeira, and Brooks point to. And the Constitution is essentially not amendable, given a requirement to get consent of three-fourths of the states.

    So, the 2016 election, which should have been a wake-up call for the GOP in which the most unpopular Democratic nominee in memory received 3 million more votes than the racist, xenophobic, misogynistic Republican wound up being instead a victory because of those broken institutions. And what should have been a wave election rebuking Trumpism in 2018 wound up being a mixed message, as Republicans actually increased their majority in the Senate—and thus solidified control over the judiciary.

    The generational revolution to which Brooks points only matters if it’s not concentrated in the major metropolitan areas. Otherwise, the red states stay red and there are enough of them to win the White House occasionally and stop progressive legislation via the Senate when they don’t. And perhaps have a backstop on the Supreme Court for another generation just in case.

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    chopper says:


    his base of crack-addled supporters are so bound to him, he could veto it and his numbers wouldn’t budge. unreal.

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    SFAW says:


    I might even be able to afford a beer or 2 at that price.

    Well, if the prices there are anything like Citi Field or Fenway, you’re back up over $100 per seat.

    I hope the weather holds for you, and that you have a nice time. [As an FYI — although you probably know this already — minor league games cost a lot less, and if you’re not someone who deems only The Bigs are worthy, then you might have a good time.

    Semi-related: I took a 15-minute online survey re: the Mets, and the enticement was that I got two field-level seats — for FREE. So, if you’re willing to travel the 800 or 900 miles to Flushing, you could take the survey and get free tickets, too.

    And even-less-related: it appears that Brady is trying to trademark the name “Tom Terrific.” As any Mets fan, and any serious baseball fan, knows, “Tom Terrific” was, is, and ever shall be Tom Seaver.
    Fuck Brady.

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    NotMax says:


    saner voices like Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney

    (stifles horselaugh)

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    Kay says:

    Rachel Van Dongen
    1h1 hour ago
    Manufacturing slips as signs grow of softening @realDonaldTrump economy

    Told ya :)

    The “no more overtime” complaints locally come before the reports it has slipped. Always. They’re very sensitive to overtime- they don’t want to pay it :)

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    Kay says:


    The real legacy of John McCain as a senator is he chose Party over his own signature (domestic) issues. Campaign finance and immigration were his issues. He stayed in the party that destroyed campaign finance regulation, and immigration? Good God. He was his own opposition. John McCain successfully opposed John McCain’s beliefs.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @SFAW: Typo, 80 miles SW of STL. Sadly, all the minor league ball parks are even further away. Some day I hope to combine road trips to various places with visits to minor league parks.

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    Sab says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Re Joyner. Give me a break about Hillary being the most unpopular Democratic candidate in memory. Possibly the most unpopular candidate amongst disgruntled Republicans, but lots of other voters liked her fine. I really had to hold my nose to vote for Gore.

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    Hmm, not sure about the new site formatting.

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    Baud says:


    Pretty mavericky of him, if you ask me.

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    Spanky says:

    @NotMax: But he’s absolutely correct that they were the saner voices within the Republican Party. Sane enough to attempt to appear saner than they actually were, sure. And much saner than the coal-huffing, meth-detoothed hoard that sits addicted to Fox not-News all day. (And those are the employed, “functional” right wingers.)

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    Baud says:


    It’s one of my litmus tests for sincerity and credibility: Can the person make his or her point without a gratuitous side swipe at Hillary (or in some cases, Dems)? It’s revealing how many rights and lefties fail that test.

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    Emma says:

    @Kay: But the one time it counted he turned thumbs down on something Trump really, really wanted. His name gives that fat-fingered thief the hives. It cuts him some slack with me. Some.

    Yeah, I’m petty that way. Sue me.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    it appears that Brady is trying to trademark the name “Tom Terrific.”

    WTF? Living here in the heart of Patriots Nation, I can honestly say I have never heard anyone anywhere refer to him by that sobriquet.

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    Kay says:


    The sad news that John McCain has been stricken with brain cancer has inspired a torrent of tributes. But few of these well-deserved appreciations have lavished much attention on McCain’s signature legislative achievement — the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, better known as McCain-Feingold, after the Arizona senator and his Democratic partner, Russ Feingold.
    The neglect is partly understandable since McCain-Feingold, while never repealed, lies in tatters. Originally envisioned as a way to eliminate unregulated “soft money” flowing through the political parties, McCain-Feingold now seems quaint in this anything-goes era defined by Citizens United.

    For Russ Feingold it’s a loss. But for McCain? He participated in killing his own “signature legislative achievement”, every step of the way. I don’t know what that is. It’s nuts. I can’t think of another example of this.

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    SFAW says:

    La-la-la-la I CAN’T HEAR YOU

    You’re not old enough to remember that cartoon. I, on the other hand …

    Be that as it may, IN THE SPORTS WORLD, “Tom Terrific” is Seaver.

    Between you and Steve in WHRVR, you can start your own Pedants’R’Us chain.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Sab: So unpopular that nearly 66 million people voted for her.

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    Kay says:


    Right, and I’m petty too so I was pleased he did it. But he didn’t do it for “health care”. He did it because he loathed Trump.

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I saw it on one of the news feeds/sites/whatevers in the last couple of days. It may be complete bullshit, and my gullibility meter may have gone to 11. I’ll see if I can find more info.

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    NotMax says:


    Noticed during a NY trip that the LIRR had changed the name of the station and its signage back to just Willets Point after Shea Stadium went bye-bye. No free advertising for Citi Field.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    I’ll see if I can find more info.

    Don’t bother on my account. I actually couldn’t care less.

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    Kay says:


    Gore chose Lieberman as his VP. Ugh. He doesn’t get nearly enough shit for that. Lieberman rewarded him too- by spreading that bullshit about how Gore was not counting overseas military votes. That was invented- a lie. I think he may have been an actual mole.

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Too late. And you WILL care, or I’ll stamp my feet.

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    Matt says:


    The Senate and Electoral College, designed as a necessary compromise in turning a confederation of 13 independent states into a union, magnify the power of retrograde voters

    Both were specifically designed to pacify the slave states, who even back in 1776 knew they were some retrograde motherfuckers terrified that somebody might call them on it. Both institutions continue to allow rural white supremacists exactly the outsized power they were designed to.

    Otherwise, the red states stay red

    TBH, the fix is that most red states shouldn’t stay *states*. The only reason we *have* North & South Dakotas is to pack the Senate, so abolish them already – same for rest of the mostly-empty states.

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    NotMax says:


    You’re not old enough to remember that cartoon.

    Yes, yes I incontrovertibly am. Shown as a part of Captain Kangaroo’s program.

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    SFAW says:

    I still call it “Shea” if I don’t catch myself.

    Are you from that area originally? I’ve never seen “Willets Point” mentioned by anyone, anywhere, unless they knew/know Queens or the LIRR. [Yes, I saw your LIRR mention. Doesn’t necessarily mean you’re familiar with it.]

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    SFAW says:


    Yes, yes I incontrovertibly am. Shown as a part of Captain Kangaroo’s program.

    OK. You seemed younger. Not sure why I formed that impression.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Sab: Like it or not, there were more than a few nose holding Hillary voters.

    @Baud: I did not think it was gratuities at all. You may not agree with his assessment, but you don’t run in the same circles he does.

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    I am at a friend’s house in Iowa packing up to go home. She has the Trump/May press conference on. OMG. The look on May’s face!

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    chopper says:


    how far we’ve fallen.

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    Sab says:

    @Kay: Serves Gore right. Clinton treated Gore like a real VP instead of ignoring him as was the norm back then. Then Gore picked Lieberman to distance himself from the still popular Clinton. WTF. Of course he nearly lost the popular vote. What did he think would happen?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @SFAW: Old-guy-ostentatiously-yawning-emoji.

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:


    Yeah, you old guys need your frequent naps, in between episodes of yelling at kids to get offa yer lawn.

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    @Kay: That was a self goal. Gore could have found someone better. In the VP debate JL made Dick fucking Cheney appear cuddly and more empathetic of the two. That’s quite an achievement. IIRC Joe L was MSM’s favorite D.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    hope you had a wonderful meal with the family :)

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    NotMax says:


    Near by.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:


    IIRC Joe L was MSM’s favorite D.

    He certainly got invited to all the right par…. I mean talk shows.

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    Sab says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Self goals were Gore’s signature. Remember the first time he ran for the Democratic presidential nomination? He for some reason decided he needed Ed Koch’s endorsement. He went to NYC and sucked up to Koch, got the endorsement. Koch then made some racist comments about Koch’s own citizens. Gore had to rush home to Tennesse to patch things up with his own Black constituents to protect his Senate seat.

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    Leto says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I watched that presser. Trumpov started riffing about mid way through the speech, came back around, and then the questions phase… time to walk to the coffee shop to try to flush this out of the memory.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    This is why I’m opposed to a Harris/Warren or a Warren/Harris ticket. The #1 consideration in picking a VP is to pick someone who can stop into the President’s shoes and carry on his/her legacy if the unthinkable happens. The #2 consideration is picking a VP who can help carry a swing state. Gore was an utter fool for choosing Lieberman of Connecticut over Ben Nelson of Florida.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    TBH, the fix is that most red states shouldn’t stay *states*. The only reason we *have* North & South Dakotas is to pack the Senate, so abolish them already – same for rest of the mostly-empty states.

    While I sympathize completely, there is no mechanism I’m aware of for “abolishing a state.” We probably had the chance to with the former Confederate states during Reconstruction (and IIRC, that was Sherman’s recommendation — turn the Confederacy back into one large territory and then encourage immigrants to move their in large numbers) but we didn’t take it.

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    japa21 says:

    @NotMax: Glad someone else remembers the real Tom Terrific.

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    @Amir Khalid: Eid Mubarak!

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    @Sab: No I was too young to pay too much attention to politics beyond the headlines then , but his political ineptitude is not surprising.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @Amir Khalid: Ramadhan Kareem!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @japa21: I do too, but I could have done without it.

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    joel hanes says:


    Shown as a part of Captain Kangaroo’s program.

    I once knew a woman who named her large sheepdog “Manfred”.
    He was mighty furry.

    I can still sing the Crabby Appleton “rotten to the core” song.

    Changing topics slightly:

    Mr. Green Jeans was wonderful.
    As “Uncle Lumpy”, and backed by the Fred Waring orchestra, he recorded a bunch of silly radio plays for children, all about an adventurous boy named Little Orley.
    They’re still available on CD from Red Hen, and some kids will love them.
    I give them as Chrismas gifts to the parents of four-year-olds.

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    NotMax says:


    Yup, and would strongly suspect the original Tom is still under copyright.

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    japa21 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Hey, it was something that was at just about the right level to match my art skills. Of course, there were also Crusader Rabbit, Mighty Mouse and Felix the Cat.

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    Chyron HR says:


    “the most unpopular Democratic nominee in memory”

    Shhhh, it’s okay, Jimmy. The bad lady is gone now. Our progressive betters destroyed human civilization to save it from her.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kay: Bonds are getting killed, the Fed is making noises about cutting interest rates, lumber prices are crashing, etc., etc. Lots of things look pretty bad for the economy at the moment, with little prospect for improvement.

    Keep one’s eyes open…


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    @Chyron HR: I endorsed and voted for her. But she was incontrovertibly the most unpopular Democratic nominee in memory; indeed, in the history of polling. She was, by large margin, more unpopular than any presidential nominee, in terms of both intensity and net—with the noteworthy exception of the man she was running against.

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    SFAW says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    Gore was an utter fool for choosing Lieberman of Connecticut over Ben Nelson of Florida.

    Bill Nelson.

    And, I seem to remember part of the calculus was that Lieberman would help with the Jewish vote in Florida. At least, that was one of the reasons speculated, because we couldn’t figure out any other reason.

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    germy says:


    And, I seem to remember part of the calculus was that Lieberman would help with the Jewish vote in Florida.

    and then they went ahead and voted for Buchanan!

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    SFAW says:


    and then they went ahead and voted for Buchanan!

    Fortunately, Sandra Day O’Connor was there to confirm that “The Joos” voted for a noted anti-Semite.

    Yeah, I saw your font. That whole episode still galls me, pretty much everything about it.

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    germy says:

    @SFAW: Yes, this nightmare started long before trump.

    And I never thought of Bush or Romney or McCain as “saner voices”

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: South Bend Cubs here, and a spare bedroom should you venture northeast 😉

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodingers_cat: @Sab: FFS the term is own goal.

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    L85NJGT says:


    IIRC it was FL senator Bob Graham that was vetted for VP.

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    J R in WV says:


    Fatima… couldn’t go to the school’s prom originally scheduled for May 31.

    “Even if they were cool, they just wouldn’t let you [go to prom],” she said of Muslim parents.

    So she got the prom moved to June 14.

    That’s so sweet, that they did that for the kids. Thanks for passing that along, some good news in with all the crummy news! Also good that the kids are learning how to be active and negotiate; easier said than done to move a big Prom party!

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    J R in WV says:


    Nice star tracks, and the tiny little blinky red light that flew past, that’s cool too.

    Thanks for sharing!

    ETA: Flash Off the exif says… hehe. How long about was the exposure? Interesting that the lines aren’t parallel, also…

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    @J R in WV:

    How long about was the exposure?

    240, 30 second exposures stacked. So 2 hours.

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