C.R.E.A.M. Open Thread: Beating Our Plowshares Into Swords

We already know the answer to that one: MONEY!

Sure, it’ll further destabilize the Middle East, not to mention violating American law, but those Arabs have money!!! How is anyone with the kind of ethical code that allows them to work for Donald Trump gonna turn down money?

The Washington Post Editorial Board:

If the new gift to the crown prince is allowed to stand, Mr. Trump will have established a new precedent: Presidents may sell arms anywhere in the world without congressional review simply by claiming an unspecified emergency. Even supporters of Mr. Trump and of arms sales to Saudi Arabia ought to be troubled by this. Sen. James E. Risch (R-Idaho), the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, is at least thinking about it: In a statement, he said he was “reviewing and analyzing the legal justification for this action and the associated implications.”

Mr. Risch has a ready remedy: He can allow a vote in his committee on legislation to block the sales until the Saudi regime stops bombings in Yemen and meets other basic conditions, including the release of women’s rights activists it has detained and tortured. Congress has an obligation to rein in Mr. Trump’s wanton embrace of the Saudi strongman; it also must defend its basic foreign policy prerogatives. It’s time for Mr. Risch to show whether he is up to that challenge.

Mr. Risch is a Republican. The only ‘challenge’ he can see is whether he’ll fold fast enough & enthusiastically enough to please his Dear Leader…






92 replies
  1. 1
    lamh36 says:

    smh…

    @mattmfm
    How seriously does the rest of the world take Trump? Well, here’s how Sky News is advertising his UK state visit. Watch.
    Sky News

    https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1134833983261413376

  2. 2
    Cermet says:

    The orange fart cloud and his enablers had better hope Karma, like all religion, is just myth; otherwise, then maybe we as the nation doing all these terrible things will suffer in return similar horror – I, of course, am rooting for myth..

  3. 3
    MattF says:

    It’s not a mystery. I think it’s clear ‘what they see in this guy’. He’s a kindred spirit– maybe, um… a little ‘rough around the edges’… but the sort of guy they understand and like to deal with.

  4. 4
    JPL says:

    Some of us actually remember that members of the Saudi Royal family supported some of 9/11 murderers and what does Saudi get from us, a kiss in the butt. We don’t need their oil anymore, so what did he promise trump.

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    HinTN says:

    @lamh36: That balloon is so perfect.

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    lamh36 says:

    @metaquest
    LIVE now: Sen. Kamala Harris at Move On Big Ideas forum
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yoKMEraBMOKQ

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    HinTN says:

    @JPL: Bidness, baby.

  8. 8
    JPL says:

    Mitch’s senate will do nothing to stop the asshole, because they are afraid of the tweet. We have been in uncharted territory for some time.

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    JPL says:

    @HinTN: Melania and her husband will be at the Ford theater tomorrow. hope springs eternal

  10. 10
    lamh36 says:

    @thehill
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    Obama, Trudeau meet at Ottawa brewery http://hill.cm/QwToThS

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Anyone know what Kushner actually said in response? (I’m sure it was ludicrous.)

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Am I wrong to be pretty much terrified at this point? Jared and his in-laws (WOOPS JUST GOT ANOTHER NSFW POP-UP) and his in-laws’ minions (WOOPS THERE’S ANOTHER) scare the bejesus out of me. Putin, Kim Jong Un, Duterte, Orban, MBS … this is bullshit awful.

  13. 13

    I just heard an hour long analysis of the Indian elections by a political scientist in Marathi and boy was it depressing.

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    PeakVT says:

    Is there any region of the globe where US foreign policy is constructive at this point? Vast areas are subject to benign neglect, sure, but I can’t point any region where the US is clearly helping.

    Happy to be wrong, of course.

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    debbie says:

    @Cermet:

    I’ve been around long enough to see karma take hold a few times. It is not myth, it is inevitable. No one escapes it.

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    JPL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You’re not wrong at all. Yesterday they didn’t follow a court order to release the tape of Flynn/Kislyak phone call.

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    Duane says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Trumpov supplies the equipment for WWlll. Terrified is one way to go.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cermet: @debbie: there are many, many days when my belief in karma is the only thing that gets me out of bed.

    Well, that and dogs barking in my face to be fed.

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    Ruckus says:

    How is anyone with the kind of ethical code that allows them to work for Donald Trump gonna turn down money?

    I see a slight error in your logic.
    If they are willing to work for DT, they have zero ethics and nothing that could in any way be interpreted as an ethics code. Hell they probably can’t even spell ethical, ethics, logical, rational, thought……

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Ruckus: Yeah. Oil and water here, and you can shake the bottle until the cows come home.

    Ethics is an unknown concept to Dump and associates.

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    lamh36 says:

    apparently some man bun guy rushed the stage while Senator Kamala Harris was being interviewed at ths MOVE ON thing.

    Harris was pretty cool under pressure, but dude should have never made it that close.

    @nbcbayarea
    #BREAKING: A demonstrator in the crowd jumps on stage during @MoveOn’s #BigIdeas Q&A with Sen. @KamalaHarris and gets escorted out by security. Watch LIVE: http://nbcbay.com/AAIqSDu

    https://twitter.com/A_Behaviorist/status/1134949982015021057

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    gene108 says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Congress needs more to offer than Rahul.

    And Sonia probably needs to hand control over and let others run Congress.

  23. 23
    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: FUQ’er got close enough to grab her microphone…smh

    @FaceTheNation
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    At the #BigIdeas @MoveOn festival moments ago — @KamalaHarris was on stage answering questions when a man jumped on stage and grabbed her microphone.

    The senator came back out on stage to finish her speech about #EqualPay.

    https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1134954009444409346

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    gene108 says:

    Risch and his fellow Republicans are eagerly taking notes on all the ways they can abuse political power, like Trump does, and get away with it.

    They only raise points against Trump, when they think it will help them politically, but they are his biggest admirers, who want to be even more corrupt and authoritarian.

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    BJP got 38% nation wide and over 60% of the upper caste vote, and they increased their vote share in every demographic except for Muslims and Dalits (castes considered untouchable)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @lamh36: so a misdemeanor charge for rushing the stage and a felony for having a man bun?

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    Brachiator says:

    … If the new gift to the crown prince is allowed to stand, Mr. Trump will have established a new precedent: Presidents may sell arms anywhere in the world without congressional review simply by claiming an unspecified emergency. Even supporters of Mr. Trump and of arms sales to Saudi Arabia ought to be troubled by this.

    Republicans are getting exactly what they asked for. Running the government like a business means that Trump rules like a chief executive. Wherever he can, he flattens out Cabinet offices, installs weak subordinate heads of departments and seeks to operate through executive orders and interpretations of obscure laws that give him more powers.

    It’s slow roll authoritarianism.

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    gene108 says:

    @JPL:

    We don’t need their oil anymore, so what did he promise trump.

    Well Jared got his debts taken care of by a sovereign wealth fund, partially owned by either Qatar or the UAE (forget which it was).

    I am sure the Saudis are lining up ways to line Trump’s pockets besides buying his condos, and renting out his hotels.

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    Brachiator says:

    @lamh36:

    FUQ’er got close enough to grab her microphone…smh

    Does she have Secret Service protection yet?

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: Even after dude made it to the stage, security was way too slow to come, KJP (the moderator) should have never had to stand between ole dude like she had to

    @Bakari_Sellers
    Follow Follow @Bakari_Sellers
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    Shoutout to @K_JeanPierre for standing between KH and this nut.

    It’s apparent @KamalaHarris needs SS. I hope her campaign asks for it.

    Her campaign is already the most weirdly scrutinized, now this. Another obstacle, but she will persist.

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    Plato says:

    Who has got the more punchable face, totus thug or his malevolent son in law?

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    Plato says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    One consolation is bjp scored zilch in three most educated southern states.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Plato:

    Who has got the more punchable face, totus thug or his malevolent son in law?

    Yes.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Steve in the ATL: let’s hope…lordt I really do kinda hate man buns

    ETA: The fuq’er tried to follow Senator Harris off stage…security should had him before he even made it to the stage

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    Jay says:

    @gene108:

    And if Prince Mohammed Bone Saw is to be believed, Jarvanka delivered a US Intel list of his Sawdi opposition, stolen from the Presidential Daily Brief.

  37. 37
    Jay says:

    “How disinformation works: News outlets are filtering Mueller’s statement through Trump’s lies
    Blog ››› May 30, 2019 2:27 PM EDT ››› MATT GERTZ”

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/05/30/how-disinformation-works-news-outlets-are-filtering-muellers-statement-through-trumps-lies/223837

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    38% gives you a majority? That’s worse than our electoral college situation.

  39. 39
    Cowboy Diva says:

    Apologies in advance, but can someone tell me what “C.R.E.A.M.” means? I cannot find a definition. Thanks

  40. 40
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @lamh36: The man bun is the stupidest hair style in history.

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    Mike in NC says:

    There was a full page ad in Friday’s USA Today, placed by Franklin Graham, Ralph Reed, and a bunch of other faux godbotherers, asking that people pray for the Fat Bastard on Sunday. Isn’t worshipping a golden calf considered a sin?

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    Agreed. Security was sleeping at the switch.

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    Baud says:

    @Mike in NC:

    What’s happening on Sunday?

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    Another Scott says:

    @Cowboy Diva: Balloon-Juice Lexicon:

    C.R.E.A.M. – Cash Rules Everything Around Me. From the Wu Tang Clan song. “Cash rules everything around me / CREAM! – Get the money / Dolla dolla bill y’all… “

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jay says:

    @Cowboy Diva:

    “”C.R.E.A.M.” (an acronym of “Cash Rules Everything Around Me”) is a song by the American hardcore hip hop group Wu-Tang Clan, released on January 31, 1994 as the third single from their debut studio album, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993).”

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    Duane says:

    @Baud: It’s a national pray for Trumpov day from the Chirstianist warrior patriots. Pray from the heart he gets raptured.

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: Security was way slow and that needs to be fixed

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Plato: Have you seen the Mythbusters episode where they crash two semis into each other head-on?

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    Baud says:

    @Duane:

    Lordy. The athiests must be loving the spectacle.

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    Baud says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I didn’t see that one, but I remember one when they vaporized a car with a rocket.

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    JPL says:

    @Duane: and takes pence with him. Hallelujah Praise be President Pelosi

  52. 52
    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud: Yes. The rocket sled episode came to mind first, but only one half of the equation was moving in that.

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    Omnes Ominbus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The combover is holding for you on line 2.

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It looked good on Opie in Sons of Anarchy.

  55. 55
    Baud says:

    @Omnes Ominbus:

    Seriously. I’d prefer to be bald to that.

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    Dan B says:

    @lamh36: This makes me feel sick. Are the nutcases going to try to stop the election with terrorism?
    It reminds me of JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X assasinarions. We are so terrified of change, especially when it is inevitable.

  57. 57
    Bex says:

    @Mike in NC: Tevye’s prayer in Fiddler On The Roof: “God bless and keep the Tsar…far away from us.”

  58. 58
    Baud says:

    @Dan B:

    Do we know that he was a right wing nutcase? We do have a few of our own.

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    @Baud: With its alliance partners it is up to 45%. India’s polity is much more fractured than the United States, there are many regional parties which hold majorities in their respective states.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Dan B: someone said the “protestor” was an animal rights activist or something?

    But yeah…way too close.

    This is actually the 2nd time Harris was confronted by some activist. The last time was in an airport and some woman came up on Harris and did what some of those folks do.

    Harris handled it well, but still, it was way too easy for that woman to approach her and get into her personal space.

    This is worse though…this was a more controlled space than a publc airport…security here should have been more diligent.

    ETA: Here is the man bun guy…ugh
    https://twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/1134967661001969664

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    Cowboy Diva says:

    @Another Scott:
    okay, so I didn’t look everywhere I should have for that glossary list. Thanks for sharing the resource/knowledge.

    @Jay:
    thanks. In case it wasn’t obvious, I am not a fan of the Wu-Tang Clan.

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    TomatoQueen says:

    @Cowboy Diva: C.R.E.A.M. – Cash Rules Everything Around Me. From the Wu Tang Clan song. “Cash rules everything around me / CREAM! – Get the money / Dolla dolla bill y’all …

    Quick Links, at the top of the page, used to display fully, but no longer; the balloon juice lexicon, written thoughtfully in English and arranged in alphabetical order, is one of the links contained therein, along with other good stuff. As a suggestion to the Site Magicians, I think it would help a lot to restore the Quick Links feature to full display capacity.

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    @Plato: If you think only uneducated people voted for BJP you are wrong. Their base is upper caste Hindu voters who are among the most educated people in India. The communists lost in Kerala for being on the right side on the Sabarimala issue, that is pretty disheartening. Congress won there by being BJP-lite. It was good to see voters in Tamil Nadu reject BJP’s alliance partner and the same in Andhra.
    The true divide in India even more than religion is the north-south divide. This has always been the case.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Lefty people prefer parliamentary systems to ours, and often for legitimate reasons, but I don’t think Americans would ever get used to it.

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    @Baud: Human beings can screw up any system, there is no magic pill.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Societies always get socially conservative in times of rapid change, it seems.

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    laura says:

    @lamh36: I’m a let you finish popped into my mind.
    The gall that men have when a women exercises her agency and her power in a public setting. The sense of entitlement. The disregard. The invasion of space. The social injustice. The sudden threat. The lack of preparation by MoveOn or the facilities managers. The misogyny. The privilege. The absence of basic manners. The Man Bun. The effrontery. The grace and poise of Harris. The fierce defences of Ms. Pierre. The sheer brazenly dudebro superiority. The pure embodiment of lefty truck nuts.
    Fuck that guy. Whatever his message, fuck that guy.

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    @Baud: Also in India’s case, there is no clear alternative like the Ds are here. The opposition has not covered itself in glory whether it be INC or the other left parties. I am writing up a post on INC to give an idea what the choices were. In fact India has given INC and other parties many chances before turning right to BJP.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Fair, but we’re seeing a resurgent right in lot of places. The right in Australia recently won in an upset too.

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    debbie says:

    @laura:

    A real sense of entitlement.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Baud:

    Societies always get socially conservative in times of rapid change, it seems.

    Is this a time of rapid change? It seems less rapid than the 90s or the aughts.

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    Jay says:

    @laura:

    “The pure embodiment of lefty truck nuts.”

    Consider this stolen.

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    Baud says:

    @James E Powell:

    I think it at least feels faster because of how interconnected the world has become in just the last decade. Also, in terms of social change, I think the last decade has been amazingly fast.

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    Dan B says:

    @Baud: I had no idea if he was a right or left winger. Turns out he’s a lefty nut. The idea that people can get in Kamala’s face may be noticed by some right wing and/or racist nuts.

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    Baud says:

    @Dan B:

    Agreed. It’s dangerous.

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    lamh36 says:

    @laura:

    “Cool about it”…

    FUQ u guys Move On Security!

    @ccadelago
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    The guy who took Kamala Harris’ mic, Aidan Cook, 24 of Oakland, said he’s trying to bring more attention to the mass extinction of animals. He is not being charged with a crime, he told us, adding that the MoveOn security crew was “cool about it.”
    https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1134975072194576384

    As someone said,

    @RonMozaic
    5m5 minutes ago
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    Replying to @ccadelago @davidsiders
    Love how they’re “cool about” a man interrupting a panel of women about an issue impacting women…because he had bigger ideas. Sheesh.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    Interrupting an event usually isn’t criminal, even if it’s scary. (I think there are special laws for sports though).

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    Brachiator says:

    @Baud:

    Fair, but we’re seeing a resurgent right in lot of places. The right in Australia recently won in an upset too.

    It may not be a coincidence.

    The Economist video asks why the European right all sound alike, but doesn’t answer the question

    https://youtu.be/W5HTIgddH68

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    Plato says:

    @Baud:

    ‘cuz, sports is god?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @lamh36: Aidan? This is the result of letting the Irish into our country.

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    Baud says:

    @Plato:

    Maybe because it happens more there and is considered more dangerous when people run on the field.

    But I don’t know for sure. I just can’t recall interrupters being arrested except in the sports context.

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    @Baud: Social media has been a vector in India’s case and over here too.

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    Manbun needs to try this shit at a Trump rally. Stand up for your cause, proud warrior!

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    laura says:

    @lamh36: not everyone has the luxury of being “cool about it.”
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/juan-romero-busboy-who-cradled-fatally-wounded-robert-f-kennedy-dies-in-california/
    Prior, proper planning:
    Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @laura: To your righteous listing of wrongs, I would add “racism”.

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    patrick II says:

    If Trump can share in a deal to profit from nuclear infrastructure in Iran, this whole Iran having nukes problem will go away.

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    RepubAnon says:

    @Ruckus: Perhaps Jared is a Vogon: “When he heard the word ‘ethics’, he reached for his dictionary – and when he heard the clink of ready cash he reached for the rule book and threw it away…”
    -Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

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    smedley the uncertain says:

    @TomatoQueen: Agree!

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @laura:

    Yes, men of all colors can be mediocre assholes.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mike in NC:
    That calf is not gold. On it’s best day that’s gold spray paint. Or semi polished brass. Shit for brains really doesn’t know the difference, if you tell him it’s real gold, he believes you because he’s never actually seen real gold. And really all he cares about is that you think it’s gold. Your impression of him is what is important, not actual wealth. And you are going to tell me that he’s seen real wealth and can tell the difference. That’s as possible as me being movie star and having my star/name on the blvd.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Mike in NC: I’m praying for a good death…if that counts

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