Proud to Be A Democrat Open Thread: Good News Out of Georgia

Full props to Stacey Abrams!

Which reminded me, I hadn’t yet found a chance to post this great Washington Post profile, “Stacey Abrams: Being a black woman in politics isn’t ‘some fatal diagnosis’”:

In your book you describe just showing up to a [Spelman College] board of trustees meeting [while a student there]. Why did you crash it, and what did they make of you?

I did not understand why my tuition had to go up every year. I did not understand why financial aid did not keep pace with tuition. So I showed up to the meeting. When [Spelman president Johnnetta Cole] allowed me in, the person I sat beside was a partner at an investment firm. I didn’t know what an investment firm was. But he was very kind. Everyone was. He let me sit beside him and shifted his notebook over to me. And I’m looking at all of these numbers; I had no idea what I was looking at. And he leaned over and started explaining financial statements to me.

Then there was the highest-ranking woman at Coca-Cola. She started telling me things. And the president of Ben & Jerry’s. They saw it as an opportunity to educate me, and I was just so hungry for information. I was listening and learning so much so that over time, they forgot that I sort of barged in. They started telling me when the meetings were. And I eventually got my own notebook.

Sitting in those board meetings was incredibly eye-opening. It showed me that these things weren’t impossible to know. And you didn’t have to be “to the manner born” to learn. You just had to work harder…

To quote the great Shirley Chisholm: If there’s not a seat for you at the table, bring a folding chair!

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    Princess says:

    Ugh. It’s “to the manor born” and I bet Stacey knows that and the interviewer does not and made her look like an idiot.

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    I only wish she’d drop out of her hopeless presidential campaign and take on the Senate race down there next year.

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    Sab says:

    @Princess: Who was the interviewer/reporter?

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    Steeplejack says:

    Excellent Preston Sturges comedy, Hail the Conquering Hero (1944), coming up at 11:15 (EDT) on TCM. Eddie Bracken, Ella Raines. Army washout gets mistaken for war hero when he returns to his hometown.

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    debbie says:

    This should be included in the good news about Georgia.

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    debbie says:


    I believe I heard she told reporters she hadn’t made a decision yet.

    ETA: Looking for something to link to, nothing really current but she seems to be wavering back and forth, back and forth. That can’t be a good thing for her future plans.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Steeplejack: yawn. Wake me up when The Ipcress File is coming on.

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    Jay says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):


    She’s not declared and has also tried to kill rumours of a VP position.

    Funny that, the US MSM just making shit up.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): @satby:
    There is still plenty of time — like at least 8 months? For her to “change” her mind and run for Senate. A smart person would lull an opponent into a state of ease, no?

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    Mary G says:

    The most discouraging news this week was the Supremes taking up a fast track case, said that Michigan and one other state don’t have to draw new districts the voters told them to and can just use the same old gerrymandered ones tilted in favor of Republicans, because reasons. The lower courts took the side of the voters.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Princess: I’d guarantee that Abrams knows the full phrase, and I thought just what you did…

    Long way of saying “ditto” I guess.
    WP just ate my comment on the sky thread below, I will use this to see if I can post at all this evening. I don’t think I actually used the anatomy word.

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    Eunicecycle says:

    @Mary G: yes Ohio was the other state. We passed a referendum years ago (It was at least 2016, maybe before) to redraw the districts to make more sense.

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    tobie says:

    Good on her! Kemp is so evil. I hope the lawsuit exposes the extent of voter suppression in Georgia before the 2020 elections.

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    debbie says:


    You had to love Ohio GOP’s claims it would be just too hard for them to have to redraw the map in time for this fall’s election; yet, they have managed to steal women’s rights practically overnight.

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    Harbison says:

    Abrams is fantastic.

    She’s a warrior.

    (eta and I still misspell her name every time as Abrahams..)

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    rikyrah says:

    Thanks for the good news.😊

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    Yutsano says:

    Can we PLEASE talk her into taking out Perdue now?

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @Princess: Actually no, she has it right. It’s “manner”, not “manor”. Per:

    To begin at the beginning, the original phrase was definitely “to the manner born.” It was coined, as many of our best idioms were, by William Shakespeare, in this case in Hamlet, Act I, Scene iv, when Hamlet observes of the drunken atmosphere at Elsinore, “But to my mind, though I am native here / And to the manner born, it is a custom / More honour’d in the breach than the observance.”

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    patrick II says:

    I am wondering how many of the democratic candidates for president just want to get on the debate stage once or twice to get some visibility, and then head back for their home state for Senate races.

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    NotMax says:


    *cough* Shakespeare *cough*

    Also too, it’s a Brit thing.

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    Harbison says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    And of course it’s multiple play on words as manor was slang for whorehouse, manner was slang for copulating with someone: you “man” her, breach invoking breeches …

    Yeah, the master’s thesis was on wordplay in Hamlet, and contains a pun in the subtitle that is so bad that I cringe every time I read it. I’ve thought about asking if I could file an amended version in the department library …

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    Eunicecycle says:

    @debbie: yep they managed to get their act together for the “heart beat” bill.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    Holy shit, the woman who gave up her evil father’s gerrymandering manifesto has the most insane backstory. I’m so torn—she was arrested for cutting up Bush-Cheney signs, so she rocks; but she recanted abuse charges against her husband despite significant evidence, so she’s bad for women everywhere.

    By her good works we shall know her, I suppose—she’s a hero for giving up those thumb drives regardless of her distasteful personal life.

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    Sebastian says:

    She is a fighter. That’s inspiring and I like it!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    As Immanentize said, there’s no rush for her to declare for Senate, and plenty of reasons not to declare this early. Senate and House campaigns don’t need the 2-year lead time that presidential campaigns do. She has plenty of time to decide to run.

    Part of her decision may hinge on the court case referenced above. If the GA voter suppression problem doesn’t get solved, she may as well take her campaigning money and set fire to it. It would have the same effect as running for office in a state that systematically ensures that Black candidates can’t get elected statewide.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:


    Yeah, the master’s thesis was on wordplay in Hamlet

    Once upon a time, I was involved in (well, mostly a slightly stunned and undercaffeinated bystander to) a breakfast-table competition among my siblings to see who could make the most egregious food-related Shakespeare pun. My youngest brother won: “Om-let.”

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    Jay says:


    “but she recanted abuse charges against her husband despite significant evidence, so she’s bad for women everywhere”

    That sadly, is the norm.

    I don’t judge her for it at all.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @NotMax: Ha! I’ll have to look for the rest of that show. Thanks. My sibs, and especially my late comp-lit-major sister, are a clever wordy bunch. She’d have loved that.

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    NotMax says:


    A live version. of the ‘Shakespearian era’ Omelet.

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    NotMax says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    Really fun show. The best sequence and number. Thomas Nostradamus and company pull out all the stops.


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    The Lodger says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: better than Much Ado About Noshing?

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    cwmoss says:

    @Princess: Nope, she’s right about “manner,” but the (probably) mistaken “manor” is so common it’s basically acquired the status of an acceptable alternative spelling.

    ETA several others already pointed this out!

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    Gex says:


    she recanted abuse charges against her husband despite significant evidence

    A lot of women do this. There are powerful, dysfunctional psychological things involved in abusive relationships and it is pretty crappy to blame women doing something that seems to be a symptom of being in an abusive relationship. It is so pervasive that we have in fact passed laws in many places that allow the state to press the charges anyhow.

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    There was a BBC program called “To the Manor Born” which of course was a play on words, but probably also the source of much of the confusion. (Had one of my favorite Brit actors in it- Peter Bowles, who was also great in Rumpole.)

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    SectonH says:

    @John Revolta: Ahhh, Rumpole… I liked the books better than the TV, but my mom loved Bowles as Rumpole.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SectonH: Bowles did not play Rumpole. He was Guthrie Feathestone. Leo McKern was Rumple.

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    SectonH says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, you’re right. Was Guthrie married to the very successful woman barrister? Phillipa?

    eta, yes she loved McKern.

    I first encountered McKern as Klang….

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    oatler. says:

    @SectonH: Phyllida Trant, our fair Portia of these chambers, wed to one Claude Erskine-Brown.

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    Origuy says:

    The Reduced Shakespeare Company is supposed to be working on a prequel to Hamlet for their next production. Their latest one is “William Shakespeare’s Long Lost First Play (abridged)”.

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    NotMax says:

    @John Revolta

    Penelope Keith!

    @Section H

    Hands down the best Number 2 in The Prisoner. Also Cromwell in A Man for all Seasons. Trivia: Leo McKern had a glass eye.

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    SectonH says:

    @oatler.: That’s Her! Thank you!!

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Knew a girl in college who married an Iranian named Ahmad. Carrying their first child & pondering a name for the baby, her best friend suggested “Ahmlet” – noting that if it turned out to be a girl they could just spell it “Ahmlette.” It is something of a minor miracle that the friend survived the ensuing explosion.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @NotMax: Also obligatory: The Reduced Shakespeare Company. The last half is “Hamlet” – unfortunately, it appears not to be the version I saw at the Criterion on Piccadilly Circus in 2002, in which they did the whole shebang backwards.

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    Brachiator says:


    . It’s “to the manor born” and I bet Stacey knows that and the interviewer does not and made her look like an idiot

    Unless Abrams had written it this way and given the notes to the reporters, it might indicate glaring stupidity on the part of the journalists and editors.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Knew a girl in college who married an Iranian named Ahmad. Carrying their first child & pondering a name for the baby, her best friend suggested “Ahmlet” – noting that if it turned out to be a girl they could just spell it “Ahmlette.”

    Since we are talking about a fertilized egg, they also could have gone with “Omlette.”

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