The Rise and Possible Fall of Bibi Netanyahu: Bibi Cannot Form a Coalition, His Potential New Government Has Fallen!

As I write this, the Israeli Knesset (parliament) is preparing to vote on a motion of dissolution. Basically Bibi has been unable to get enough commitments from the hard right parties to pass the 61 vote threshold to form a government. If he cannot reverse this in very short order – as in like RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!!!! – the President of Israel will either given Benny Gantz, who leads the centrist Kol viLavan/Blue and White Party, who got the next largest block of seats as Netanyahu’s Likud or the Knesset will be dissolved and new elections will be called. What has happened here is the Avigdor Liberman has been able to block Netanyahu. Bibi was so desperate he actually got the President to intervene in favor of his attempts to get to 61 votes by this evening, which is something that is also unprecedented done by the President.

Things have been so nuts and Bibi is now perceived as so week that Aryeh Odeh, the Arab Member of Knesset that Bibi routinely uses as a foil and punching bag (think Secretary Clinton and shouts of Lock Her Up! Or AOC and shouts of Socialism!) openly mocked him on the floor of Knesset ahead of the vote:

None of this is, of course, true. Odeh was just openly and publicly mocking Netanyahu. Bibi’s downfall is the result of Bibi’s obsessive need to cover his own tuchas in relation to the criminal charges he is facing. His governing focus has been on passing legislation that depowers the Israeli High Court of Justice, which would both allow the Prime Minister and governing coalition in the Knesset to ignore it’s rulings on constitutionality of legislation and decisions, as well as provide him retroactive immunity because he’s prime minister. This was incredibly popular among his supporters and the extreme right parties he was courting, but that was about it. And there were protests.

Needless to say, none of these laws will now be proposed, let alone pass, before the new elections in September.

The question is now whether Gantz can either get enough votes in September, when the new elections are held, to form his own coalition government. And whether Likud is willing to ditch Bibi in order to join it. My professional view on this is that if Bibi goes, Likud will splinter and factionalize. Some will retain the name. Some will attempt to form a new party. This is actually what the two extremist Likudniks, Naftali Bennet and Ayalet Shaked who formed their own party, have been trying to accomplish. Being as, if not more, extreme than Netanyahu, but be younger and more telegenic. They were voted out of Knesset and their new party didn’t receive any seats in April’s election.

I also expect that if the Arab parties do better, as well as the center left to center parties, this will allow Gantz to form his unity coalition, peeling the closer to center Likudniks off and locking out the far right religious, nationalist, religious-nationalist, and settler parties, which all have a lot of overlap. This would be an excellent thing. Politically in Israel it would be like locking the Mike Pence, Steve King of Iowa, Mike Lee of Utah, and Ted Cruz of Texas wing of the GOP out of the US Congress.

Expect Bibi to do something really stupid in short order as he’s now a very wounded political animal, if not a terminally wounded one, trapped and fighting for what’s left of his political life and, most likely, his freedom.

This stand against Bibi’s elected authoritarianism may, in fact, be too little, too late, but Mazel Tov Israel!

Also, Jared’s Middle East Peace Plan is now dead before arrival. Not that it ever wasn’t. If they’re smart, and we know Jared isn’t, he won’t even announce it.

Bibi is now throwing a temper tantrum!

Open thread.






91 replies
  1. 1
    rikyrah says:

    this is interesting. can’t wait to see how it plays out.
    rotten, no good , racist muthaphucka.
    no better for him.

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    Rob says:

    I totally agree with rikyrah.

    Too bad the election is in September.

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    MattF says:

    It does seem that karma is being knife-edge sharp here, with Netanyahu getting precisely half the Knesset.

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    trollhattan says:

    Ye gods that’s complicated. If Likud is shattered and Bibi is shoved in a corner (“Nobody puts B….”) then, good.

    Does this have any potential for ratcheting back the current belligerence v. Iran?

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    I’m seeing people on Twitter expecting that Jared’s party in Bahrain will be a flop and we will never see the plan. If there is one.

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    SFAW says:

    @rikyrah:

    rotten, no good , racist muthaphucka.

    You forgot Poland! fascist!

    And anti-Semitic, too, I guess, if Palestinians are considered to be Semites. (Which I guess is possible.)

    ETA: Although I am cautiously optimistic, I won’t believe he’s out until two governments in a row are formed without him — and even then. Given enough time, Nixon probably could have been “rehabilitated”; who’s to say that Israeli voters are any less fucked-up than Americans?

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    FWIW. This is outside my wheelhouse.

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    SFAW says:

    @trollhattan:

    If Likud is shattered and Bibi is shoved in a corner (“Nobody puts B….”)

    Good one.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    “Nooo Mr. Wizard, I don’t wanna live in interesting times!!”

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    laura says:

    What Rikyrah said.
    Also, too, I would expect that Kushner will still proceed with the big reveal of his Middle East Peace Plan because that’s what a half-way Moran would do.

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    Boy, he really does sound like Trump in those tweeted quotes, huh?

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    Mart says:

    Everything Trump touches…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: In the long term, maybe. In the short term, no. I expect Bibi will do something very, very, very stupid to try to save himself.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That is my expectation as well. The economic plan never made sense. I keep meaning to do a post about it, but also keep getting side tracked by other things.

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    Kent says:

    What was really fucking weird to me about this past Israeli election was that my evangelical former neighbors in Texas and my evangelical fundie relatives in Texas were both circulating the same pro-Netanyahu cheerleading memes on Facebook. For some reason he managed to capture the adoration of a bunch of the Christian-right in this country and I’m really not sure why. There are all these weird political back-channels in this country that most of us are unaware of.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SFAW: Bibi is one of the biggest anti-Soros megaphones out there. So he’s just plain old regular anti-Semitic too!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think all of that is solid analysis.

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    geg6 says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    That is all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Putin publicly mocked that shortly after Huckabee-Sander’s office released the information.

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    MattF says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ugh. The stupidest things I can think of involve Iran, and maybe Trump.

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    karen marie says:

    @Kent: Fundies love them some tough guy who will hold Israel together long enough for the End Times. I’d say they deserve each other but there are too many bystanders who don’t deserve to suffer the fallout from the bullshit.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Launch a nuke at Iran? Not to speculate, it would be irresponsible to do.

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    germy says:

    meanwhile…

    Netanyahu’s Wife Agrees to Plead Guilty in Catering Case

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/netanyahus-wife-agrees-to-plead-guilty-in-catering-case-11559153304

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kent:
    The Rapture.
    The Rapture 😠😠😠

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yep. And Lieberman is about as much a leftist as AOC is a Republican.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kent: It’s all run through a central information clearing house. There is a rabbi in Israel who just passed away, who was basically one of the main conduits, if not the main conduit, between Bibi and the Christian Zionists. His daughter is now trying to consolidate her position as his replacement. One of my former teammates and his wife, who are evangelicals, fast every Wednesday in support of Israel. He likes to let me know they’re still doing that. They mean well, but I doubt anyone in Israel cares.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Good. Another rightwing tin-plated dictator with delusions of grandeur goes down.

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    Sebastian says:

    @MattF:

    Nothing hurts more than a lifechanging victory escaped by the smallest of margins. There is a God because this is some Greek Mythology crass shit. He will go crazy.

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    Martin says:

    Has Trump offered Kushner as PM yet?

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    Thanks, Adam! I read every word of it and I’m hoping Bibi goes down for the last time. Oh, since I read every word could you change “pealing” to “peeling”? OCD, ya kno… ;)

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    Sebastian says:

    @Kent:

    It’s the global right, dude. And Russia is pulling the strings and greasing the machine with money.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kent:

    The rapture won’t happen until the Israelites reclaim Jerusalem and the holy land. So there are a bunch of wacky loon christianists who want the end times to happen and that’s why they support whichever Israeli government will be most ruthless in removing every last Palestinian.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: pawzehblee

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    Hilfy says:

    Where is the Amazon link button? How can Cole get credit for purchases without it?

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    @Kent: Fundy Christians believe that Bibi will build the third temple, and that’s a condition for the end times.

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    Another Scott says:

    Good, good.

    “How did you go bankrupt?”
    “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.” – Hemmingway The Sun Also Rises

    More, “then suddenly”, please.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    That would be my fear, and Bolton will be right there with a list of Things that are Stupid and Also Awesome to help out.

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    @Kent:

    For some reason he managed to capture the adoration of a bunch of the Christian-right in this country and I’m really not sure why.

    Because Netanyahu has made an explicit alliance between Likud and the Republican Party. Anyone who’s a hard-core Republican will support Likud and Netanyahu because the see him as an extension of their own stuff.

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    MattF says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Tsk. It’s all so complicated. I’m suspecting it would end up with “Just kill them all and let God sort it out.”

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    Mart says:

    @Kent: The Democratic party needs to send their interns to fundy churches to track their messaging. It is very well coordinated across the country. Be it abortion, transgenders in your daughters bathroom, Trumps court, or Israel – they all get the same message. And you can never change their minds as it is god’s will.

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    Butter emails!!! says:

    @Mart: what would this do other than brainwash some poor interns?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: And you can thank Israel’s last two ambassadors the the US, both originally natural born US citizens – Oren and Dermer – for facilitating that. Dermer, before making aliyah and going to work for Bibi, was a petty GOP apparatchik in south Florida.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Hilfy:

    I had the same question a few moons ago. No answer that I know of.

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    Sayne says:

    What’s the over/under on the number of bombs Bibi will drop on Gaza to try to save himself in the coming weeks?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    This is brutal. And much of it could have Netanyahu replaced with Trump and still read accurately:

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-netanyahu-s-darkest-deepest-fear-just-came-true-1.7303674

    Benjamin Netanyahu hasn’t slept in a week.

    He phones his despairing allies at 3:30 A.M., but they can offer him no solace, nor he them. He schedules a prime-time address to the nation, to be carried live — breaking into the principal evening news broadcasts — on all major television channels. But he then arrives late, haggard, weirdly alone, flanked by what the home audience has been left to watch, a wide dais with a full minyan of empty chairs.

    Benjamin Netanyahu’s darkest, deepest fear is coming true. We, an entire country, can suddenly see him for what he really is: A loser.

    It’s all coming apart. The gears are grinding on the Deus ex Machina, the gearwheel teeth coming loose and unmeshed from overuse and advancing age. Gone is the oratorical virtuoso, the political Merlin, the electoral Midas. Each, in his turn, has aged out.

    But none of that is what makes him a loser.

    What makes him a loser is that he is a man with no honor. None.

    Here is a man whose every word, every facial expression, every argument, every belief, is a false front. There is not one cell of principle in him.

    You needn’t look any deeper than his eyes: His life is falsehood and hatred. His work is falsehood and hatred. His legacy is falsehood and hatred.

    Of literally thousands of examples, one will suffice. The full 10 years of Netanyahu’s unbroken rule have been marked by inaction and broken promises to rescue the relatives of Ethiopian Israelis from starvation and threats of violence in Ethiopia. In recent days, however, a desperate Netanyahu sent word to newly elected MK Gadi Yevarkan that if the Ethiopia-born lawmaker agreed to desert his centrist opposition Kahol Lavan party and become the deciding 61st vote to ratify a new Bibi-led government, the prime minister would name him immigrant absorption minister.

    The message to Yevarkan was clear: Agree to the deal, or the thousands of family members — some of whom have waited decades in Ethiopia for rescue to Israel — will remain as hostages to a government callous as concrete to their plight.

    Under Netanyahu, Israel itself has come to stand for falsehood and hatred. His campaign could not have been more straightforward: Without exception, anyone who does not vote for him is of The Left and therefore a trafficker with Arabs, who are themselves, without exception, ardent backers of terror. All of them, Jew and non-Jew alike, are Uncitizens. They are not, cannot be, part of The People.

    Except, of course, for those who vote instead for the Kahanists, the pedophile protectors, the subjugators and apartheidists and faux believers in the rule of law, who have all agreed to take his bribes and breach the public trust in return for backing the laws that will exempt him from going to trial and prison for bribery and breach of the public trust.

    Yet, he clearly hates even the people who vote for him. In their company he is every bit as mirthless and forced and uncharitable and furious and condescending and explicitly uninterested in them — in victory — as he is in defeat.

    A person without honor, it turns out, is a person without a people.

    This is a man who has destroyed Israel’s relationship with the Jewish world, supporting and endorsing far-right leaders who countenance anti-Semites and exploit anti-Semitism.

    This is a man whose compassion — as he himself demonstrated during the recent election campaign — is confined entirely to himself, to his wife, and to his stay-at-home social media snot of an elder son.

    An entire nation is seeing him, as though for the first time. All he asked, all his life, was to be his father’s son, and now, this sad, frustrated, underappreciated, bitter boy wonder with the sad, frustrated, underappreciated bitter father, remains frantic still to win the approval of the father, dead these seven long years.

    At this point, even on the right, who can he count on — who is it that he hasn’t already bamboozled, betrayed, lied to or undermined?

    That, it turns out, was the most revealing and perhaps only honest element of his fumbling, bizarre, Trump-hailing speech to the nation Monday night, in which he decried the hugely costly, altogether preposterous idea of holding new elections — after he himself had just put the country through a hugely costly, altogether preposterous early election whose only, only, only purpose — as every last Israeli, friend or foe, well knew — was to keep him out of jail.

    The only honest element of the speech was the reason it was delayed. Netanyahu was busy conferring with the very symbol of his entire public life, the one man left he can trust: Natan Eshel.

    Yes, Netanyahu’s disgraced, wholly disgraceful former chief of staff, the morose, vindictive, furtive, victim-threatening admitted in-house Prime Minister’s Office sexual predator who managed, with the active aid of Benjamin and especially his admirer Sara Netanyahu, to evade criminal prosecution through a plea deal — the spirit of which he regularly and openly violates as a close adviser and errand boy for the Netanyahus. No penalty. No honor. No need.

    And what has Eshel’s prime mission been in recent weeks? To cajole, to bribe, to try to blackmail Knesset members into abandoning their parties and their principles and cast that 61st vote.

    Meanwhile, as his sugar daddy Sheldon Adelson continues to lose millions every month printing his Prime Minister’s Office-dictated Israel Hayom freebie tabloid, the paper pumps out banner headlines redefining Netanyahu’s backroom sleaze deals, his legislative Get Out of Jail Free Cards and his bid to legislatively annihilate the Supreme Court, as “THE RETURN OF DEMOCRACY” (May 18), meant only to “HONOR THE WILL OF THE VOTER” (May 29). That May 18 issue even went so far as to equate the proposed legislation with Old Testament justice itself, announcing, in a paraphrase of Deuteronomy 16:20, “IMMUNITY SHALT THOU PURSUE.”

    Nice try.

    Too lame, too late. Benjamin Netanyahu knows better than anyone that whatever happens now, however he weasels out of this one, we have come to know him for what he really is, and always was:

    A failure. A fraud. A man of dishonor. In the broadest, most profound, most enduring of meanings, a loser.

    Bradley Burston

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    I think the blame lies squarely on Bibi. He didn’t have to appoint Republican apparatchiks as ambassador to the US; he did it as part of a deliberate strategy of forming a Republican/Likud alliance.

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    rikyrah says:

    Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) Tweeted:
    I confess I’m stunned. Bibi couldn’t thread this needle. But Bibi always threads the needle. It’s the iron law of 21st c ISR politics. Think this wasn’t really abt Liberman or Haredi demands. Key players cld sense death on Bibi & wldnt bargain things away to get on sinking ship. https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1133853235289165824?s=17

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mart: @Butter emails!!!: It goes beyond that. Republican and movement conservative messaging is coordinated by several groups, usually working with awareness of what they others are doing as there’s overlap of the individuals and organizations involved with each one, that includes the RNC, the White House comms office, and the PACs and campaign comms people supporting the President’s reelection. They meet weekly, they coordinate messaging, and they disseminate talking points and recommendations for engagement. The Democrats and their broad center left to left of center coalition do nothing even remotely like this. And it has made all the political difference in the world.

    Grover Norquist runs one of these. As does Ginni Thomas, wife of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas. There are, the last time I counted around half a dozen of them coordinating messaging and comms.

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    Cameron says:

    I thought that’s why DeSantis and the FL Cabinet were over there, so they could sign up and give Bibi a majority.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: No argument here and I’m not trying to deny that this was a deliberate strategy created by Bibi and then facilitated by Oren and Dermer. As well as others within the US.

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    chopper says:

    bibi has a big chink in his armor (due to his needing to shore up direct political support to oppose his ass getting thrown in jail) and lieberman knows it, and has taken full advantage.

    i am surprised, i assumed lieberman would have just extorted a bunch of concessions. but he went all the way. wonder why.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: We’ll have to wait until September. If the Israeli attorney general indicts him before the election, which is, I think, what the timelines of the investigations seem to be pointing to, he’s done. If he’s able to forestall those, campaign on a conspiracy to bring him down and weaken/destroy Israel, then he may yet survive. There will be no middle ground here. He will either emerge in September with the electoral mandate to form a government, and therefore be essentially untouchable, or he is done. There will be no limping along, weakened, but still politically viable middle ground.

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    Jay says:

    @Butter emails!!!:

    If the Fundi God Botherers are playing politics from the pulpit, their tax exempt status can be pulled.

    There’s a Prosperity Gospel winger in big big trouble in CA, for tax fraud.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cameron: Because DeSantis had never even heard of Ariel University until they agreed to give him an award because Sheldon Adelson was paying them to do so. And paying for the travel of DeSantis and everyone else who traveled with him.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Boy, he really does sound like Trump in those tweeted quotes, huh?

    He even has an idiot son active on Twitter:
    Netanyahu’s son makes waves dabbling in foreign policy – The prime minister’s 27-year-old offspring, Yair, uses Twitter to lambaste other countries and their leaders, express support for far-right European politician and scold those he deems insufficiently supportive of Israel

    The Netanyahu scion also dabbled in the recent European parliamentary elections, sending messages of support to almost every far-right European leader, including Hungary’s Victor Orban, Nigel Farage in the UK, Matteo Salvini in Italy and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

    (also)
    Those (neo-)fascists are all “friends of Israel”.
    B. Netanyahu broke the US-Israel relationship by aggressively making it partisan, siding actively with a minority US party. (that happens to be abusing minority rule, alas.) His son isn’t helping matters.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @chopper: Lieberman, for all that he has long been rumored to be the Bratva’s man in the Israeli government, and therefore Putin’s catspaw, has very, very sharp political instincts.

  58. 58
    Mary G says:

    I was watching the countdown on my Twitter feed. Once it expired, a ton of laughing and mocking broke out. It seemed like good news, but I couldn’t be sure until Adam explained it. Sounds excellent. Twitler must be furious “those people” disobeyed him and showed that his endorsements are of no use or possibly even harmful. Forecast for a series of unhinged tweets tonight or tomorrow morning is excellent.

    Also, too, something happened today that I would have thought impossible. I go to Real Clear Politics to see the job performance and favorability ratings and to see what the right wing press is saying without having to read any of it. (Today it’s Mueller’s testimony PROVES that the Deep State conspired to hurt Dear Leader in the election.)

    But I digress. A while after the election, they added Nancy SMASH’s favorability rating right below Twitler, for distraction. He’d be 9 or 10 points down, and she’d be 32 or 38 points down. She’s been coming up slowly and for the first time, today they were TIED at -12.0 each. This is YOOGE. I’ve never seen anything like it. They don’t dare put up the turtle’s terrible scores.

    So today was a very good day. ❤😎🧡💛💙💙💚

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    NotMax says:

    Any comment, Adam, on Russia and China’s arm in arm boycott of Jared’s upcoming Bribery R Us ‘summit?’

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    debbie says:

    @MattF:

    Always, always. No one escapes the Law of the Universe, ever.

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    SFAW says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Bibi is one of the biggest anti-Soros megaphones out there. So he’s just plain old regular anti-Semitic too!

    Thanks. I guess I should have known that already, but I didn’t.

    I’ve said it more than a couple times: Bibi should get down on his knees, every fucking night, and thank God that Yoni died at Entebbe. Because without that, he’d be nowhere.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This isn’t Rabbi Schmuley, is it?

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You needn’t look any deeper than his eyes: His life is falsehood and hatred. His work is falsehood and hatred. His legacy is falsehood and hatred.

    That was an enjoyable read, thanks.

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    @Jay:

    If the Fundi God Botherers are playing politics from the pulpit, their tax exempt status can be pulled.

    Theoretically yes. Practically no. The chances of the IRS investigating a right-wing church for partisan campaigning and successfully pulling their tax exempt status is negligible.

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    debbie says:

    @rikyrah:

    He got overconfident and cocky. It’s always overreach with these guys. //

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    SFAW says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    You needn’t look any deeper than his eyes: His life is falsehood and hatred. His work is falsehood and hatred. His legacy is falsehood and hatred.

    If I hadn’t known what this post was about, I would have thought they were talking about the Traitor-in-Chief.

    Well, “turds of a feather fock (their countries) together” and all that, I guess.

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    Baud says:

    No “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” jokes?

    I’m disappointed.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Why did Putin mock that announcement? I don’t understand.

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    NotMax says:

    @SFAW

    Time was it seemed that Ted Koppel had Netanyahu on Nightline every other night. That near constant exposure, shall we say, burnished Bibi’s escutcheon.

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    Jay says:

    @Roger Moore:

    “Theoretically yes. Practically no. The chances of the IRS investigating a right-wing church for partisan campaigning and successfully pulling their tax exempt status is negligible.”

    The odds of Bad Boris Liar getting charged, were extremely long.

    There is no quit in try,

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    J R in WV says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Lastly, the fact that we won’t see a Trump initiative doesn’t mean that we won’t see Trump in this election. He is going to go balls to the wall for Netanyahu in ways that will make the joint billboards look innocuous /END

    — (((Michael Koplow))) (@mkoplow) May 29, 2019

    Perhaps someone should show Bibi the slogan “Everything Trump touches dies!” Maybe he won’t love hugging Trump after hearing that?~!!

    Or, maybe, since Bibi is a rotten, racist, fascist war criminal, maybe we should keep that factoid to ourselves!!! AND Anti-semite, because he hates the Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel, I love that, it’s the cold truth!

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    cain says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Putin publicly mocked that shortly after Huckabee-Sander’s office released the information.

    Putin is having such a good time right now.

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    cain says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    @Kent: Fundy Christians believe that Bibi will build the third temple, and that’s a condition for the end times.

    Why would he do such a thing if it means the end of Israel? Meh.

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    chopper says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    i’m aware. i assume that he sensed a good opportunity. he better hope it works, for his sake.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @opiejeanne: I don’t know, just caught a quick headline earlier today.

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    Jay says:

    @opiejeanne:

    @cain:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Because Nickolai’s one job at that meeting is to say “nyet”?

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    zzyzx says:

    @cain: The thing the Fundies can never understand about Jews is that few of us care about that sort of trapping anymore. I went to Hebrew school for over a decade and I can promise you I didn’t hear one word about a desire to build the temple.

    We’ve become practical over the years and with a lack of focus on the afterlife, Judiasm has largely become a group of traditions to improve our lives, help others, and respect heritage. When you have a group of people who worship out of a fear of their God who will torture them forever if they don’t say the right magic words, the idea of a religion where God is largely irrelevant to the deal is beyond them.

    So they focus on the few ultra religious Jews that are there and try to pretend that that’s what the rest of us are like but never can get how most Jews would gladly forsake the temple being built if it meant an end to prejudice.

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    Cameron says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I really hadn’t seen much information on this visit, although I did think it a bit strange that they all had to go all the way to Israel for a cabinet meeting when they could just have stayed in Tallahassee. Haven’t lived in FL all that long, after many years in PA – I must say that I find the openness of the corruption here to be quite refreshing.

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    Dan B says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s below the radar of the MSM and many progressive orgs that the Right has figured out how to get the Christianists, the Dominionists, the drown in the bathtub, the Chamber of Commerce, the Federalists, and a host of others to coordinate their messaging. It started with the Southern Strategy and has grown, because it works to build power.

    The progressive Left has every group, Women’s rights, minorities, immigrants, unions, LGBT, environmentalists, etc. trying to get their groups messaging out because it is the most important. The forest gets lost for the trees.

    When the Right is coming for immigrants and trans it’s because they haven’t gotten to all of us yet.

    Adam, thanks for pointing out the media / messaging tactics!

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    Kent says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    @Kent: It’s all run through a central information clearing house. There is a rabbi in Israel who just passed away, who was basically one of the main conduits, if not the main conduit, between Bibi and the Christian Zionists. His daughter is now trying to consolidate her position as his replacement. One of my former teammates and his wife fast every Wednesday in support of Israel. He likes to let me know they’re still doing that. They mean well, but I doubt anyone in Israel cares.

    It’s weird because these are not normally political people who are always posting MAGA crap on Facebook. They are the types who post recipes and cat videos and occasional bible verse meme pablum. So the pro Netanyahu Facebook stuff was sort of out of the blue and the first overtly political stuff I saw from either of them. I knew the fundies were pro-Israel. That’s pretty obvious. I wasn’t aware that they were so overtly pro-Netanyahu and actually cheerleading an Israeli election result.

    Like I was saying. There are whole undercurrents of political media in this country that is funneling this stuff to the rubes pretty much un-noticed by the larger society. Makes you wonder what other crap is being fed to them.

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    Karen says:

    @Kent: Christian Zionists. End of Days when Jews like me are slaughtered to bring on Jesus.

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    BRobin says:

    @geg6: And hahahaha too!

    That is enough for now.

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    Procopius says:

    Reading while drinking my first cup of coffee. I don’t think I’m going to get better news than this today.

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    @cain:

    Why would he do such a thing if it means the end of Israel?

    Jews don’t subscribe to Evangelical Christian eschatology.

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    @zzyzx:
    One of the drawbacks of Christianity’s focus on the afterlife is that it provides a ready made excuse to ignore injustice in this life.

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    suffragettecity says:

    Aww poor poor hypocrite Adelson. May his money evaporate.
    Do
    Not
    Like
    Him
    At
    All

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    burnspbesq says:

    Lieberman actually scares me more than Bibi.

    Is that a rational position?

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    NotMax says:

    @suffragettecity

    Old Yiddish saying:

    May you make a lot of money. And have to spend it all on doctors.

    ;)

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    Ivan X says:

    @zzyzx: Nice post. Seconded.

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    rb says:

    @Roger Moore: It’s the reason for said focus. Textbook social control: oh don’t worry about this massive injustice, it’ll be rectified when we’re dead. Simple, insane, terribly effective.

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