C.R.E.A.M. Open Thread: Investigators Circling In, Trump Spiraling Down

Backup plan:

We don’t know what Trump is working so hard to hide, but we have a lot of hints. They’re all troubling. Which is precisely why it’s so important that Congress — as part of its constitutionally mandated oversight duties — conduct a forensic audit of Trump’s worldwide financial dealings. That means learning whom he’s been getting money from, whom he owes money to, and what individuals or entities could be using financial influence to exert pressure over policy.

Almost as troubling as whatever it is Trump is trying to hide: Why do all those supposed national security hawks in Trump’s party exhibit so little curiosity about the answers?

143 replies
  1. 1
    Joe Falco says:

    I can’t wait to see what kind of news segments Fox will show while all the other networks report on the details of Trump’s tax returns.

  2. 2
    donnah says:

    To borrow an old phrase: tick tock, motherfuckers

  3. 3
    Immanentize says:

    I am sure, in light of Deutsche Bank’s many violations of GR and EU banking regs re: money laundering that they have already agreed in those forums to turn over all or risk dissolution.

  4. 4
    debbie says:

    Has anything happened with states’ not putting Trump on the ballot unless he releases his taxes?

  5. 5
    laura says:

    Womp womp.
    Shitler in the bunker time.

  6. 6
    Steve in the ATL says:

    Can we shut down this thread please? I’m just getting warmed up in the grammar pedant thread below!

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    chopper says:


    oh yeah, he’s gonna be full-on downfall level angry now.

  8. 8
    chopper says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    for all intensive purposes that thread is dead.

  9. 9
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @chopper: two words: PIE. FILTER.

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    germy says:

    @Joe Falco:

    I can’t wait to see what kind of news segments Fox will show while all the other networks report on the details of Trump’s tax returns.

    time to sit back, crack open a tall boy of nutella and see what the prime time fox news crew is talking about… pic.twitter.com/es33YDyUtX— John Kerr (@JohnnyHeatWave) May 22, 2019

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    rikyrah says:


    CBS News (@CBSNews) Tweeted:
    BREAKING: CBS News has learned that a sixth migrant child died after crossing the U.S. border, an HHS official confirmed Wednesday.

    The 10-year-old girl’s death had not been previously reported https://t.co/tTc4EKUYi2 https://t.co/6Fj3PcN4Uq https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1131325242973073408?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    In moderation, please help

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    Mike in NC says:

    Lying since 2015 about being under audit.

  14. 14
    SiubhanDuinne says:


    crack open a tall boy of nutella


  15. 15
    oatler. says:

    Animal House character: “All is well! All is well!”

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Warmed up — vino veritas?

  17. 17
    Jay says:

    There’s a Meuller Book Club, for free,


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    Chyron HR says:

    “I think the 2016 election was a referendum on whether Trump should be allowed to commit crimes.”

    I don’t think you’re supposed to actually come out and say that, Steve.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @oatler.: FYI I’m two degrees from Kevin Bacon

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    Immanentize says:

    @oatler.: You missed the early morning thread. It was heavy Animal House.
    “see if you can guess what I am now”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Immanentize: making progress. Too many flights and too many bargaining tables in the short time I’ve been back from vacation. I know I’m traveling too much when I can’t remember the number of the hotel room I’m in tonight, never mind the details of which contract I’m bargaining today. Thankfully I have these HR girls to help keep it straight.

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    Cacti says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Are you feeling flustrated?

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    @Steve in the ATL: That thread is literally dead.

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    @Immanentize: Steve wanted to discus the Rio Grande River a bit more.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cacti: I’m more decimated. My simple ask was to finish the prior thread.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Trump: “Nobody puts baby in the corner!”

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    Cacti says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    You should get a mentee to help you out with things.

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    TenguPhule says:


    for all intensive purposes that thread is dead.

    Intents and porpoises.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: far be it from me to defend ignorance, but is it fair to assume that 300+ million Americans don’t know that “rio” is the Spanish word for…well, you know.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Mike in NC: You’d think that at the very least, Trump would just authorize the IRS to say whether or not he was under audit.

    Though I think as President, he actually is basically under audit automatically. But I could be wrong about that.

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    @Steve in the ATL: I’m at most three degrees from Bacon himself, but I am one degree from an Academy Award winner (one of the producers of Moonlight, so thus also the answer to at least one really good trivia question). I still have to remind me of that from time to time, because it’s pretty surreal. We weren’t close friends or anything, but I suspect we ran into each other 180 days a year for seven years of our lives, and we worked on several plays together throughout high school, so “acquaintances” might be underselling the connection a bit.

    I still hold out a mild hope that Jordan Horowitz will come out on stage to announce there was a mistake in counting the 2016 presidential election and Moonlight, prod. by Adele Romanski, Dede Kleiner, and Jeremy Gardner, was the correct winner of the election.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah: Trump and everyone else responsible needs to pay the price.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @MisterForkbeard: this alleged, purported, supposed audit predates his presidency

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I don’t think it’s that unreasonable. Most Anglos know what hola, dia, etc mean

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    Cacti says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Hola? Isn’t that to shout at someone (aka Hola if ya hear me).

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    Sab says:

    @Steve in the ATL: We have a local body of water called Sand Run Creek, when everyone ought to know that run and creek are synonyms in this part of the world (mid-atlantic and eastern midwest.)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Most Anglos know what hola, dia, etc mean


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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cacti: I ain’t no hola back girl

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Jay: Still haven’t learned how to spell “Mueller,” have you, Knucklehead? Not even when it’s staring you in the face in your link.

    Hard to see why anyone here takes you seriously.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Sab: every time I see a truck from “Valley Crest” landscaping I die a little bit inside.

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    JustRuss says:

    Just curious, what’s the official Wingnuttia explanation for Trump’s refusal to release his taxes? Do they actually believe the BS about the “audit”? And no, I ain’t googling it, I’ll stay in the boat thank you.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    DJT is sure acting like his net worth is low, perhaps negative, and that substantial debt is owed to unsavory actors.
    (He’s known to be quite concerned about perceptions of his personal net worth, and the net worth of others.)
    This is funny (and there are plenty of other articles in the same genre if one searches):
    Trump’s Shifting Net Worth May Bear Clues for Investigators (Caleb Melby, Shahien Nasiripour, Greg Farrell, Neil Weinberg, 2019/02/27))

    Cohen [1] also detailed two ways he said the Trump Organization “inflated” its valuations.
    The first involved comparable properties. The company, Cohen said, found similar properties and looked for the highest price per square foot among them. Then, Cohen said, the Trump Organization took that figure and applied it to Trump-owned properties.
    The second involved a phantom figure. Cohen said the Trump Organization would take a building’s annual rent payments from tenants, and then “make up the multiple” and apply that number to the gross rent roll. Trump knew about this valuation method. The multiple, Cohen said, was “based upon what he wanted to value the asset at.”

    [1] Yes, that Cohen

  43. 43
    Mary G says:

    My hand hurts too much to Google it, so big grain of salt, but I’m seeing Tweets from immigration activists that CBP shut down the main processing center in McAllen TX due to a flu-like illness being passed around, and also they have to set up a tent for all the sick people to be quarantined in, both immigrants and personnel. Cue the Ebola scare!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: A few times I’ve been around that track, so it’s not just gonna happen like that.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    “Nobody puts baby in the corner!”

    Truly this a great American singer and song: Baby Outlaw — Elle King

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    jimmiraybob says:

    I think this solemn moment of reflection has arrived.

    “The American people have a right to know if their president is a crook.”

    – The immortal words of the greatest law & order president that this and all other universes have ever produced and whose honored presence the deepest and hottest quadrant of hell has hence received – Richard Milhous Nixon

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    Why do all those supposed national security hawks in Trump’s party exhibit so little curiosity about the answers?

    A serious possibility is that they know what it would reveal about Trump and don’t want the rest of us to find out.

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    MomSense says:



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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I’m more decimated.

    You’re just being deliberately cruel now, aren’t you?

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    Dev Null says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    is it fair to assume that 300+ million Americans don’t know that “rio” is the Spanish word for…well, you know.

    Rio?!? The Plan9 window manager?


    (Uh, sorry … not one of my better days.)

  51. 51
    MomSense says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    HR girls? Do they know you call them that?

  52. 52
    Jackie says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Would you care for a tuna fish sandwich to go with your whine?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    300+ million Americans don’t know that “rio” is the Spanish word for…well, you know.

    Seems that however many porteños there are who support the River Plate football club don’t know it either.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Roger Moore: For some of these people trump is their GOD Emperor and can therefore do no wrong. They see him hurting all the people that they do NOT like and saying all of the private hate in public and they love him for it.

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    Jay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    “The top line of a slope or embankment.”


    Valley’s can have crests.

  56. 56

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Who cares what the hoi polloi think?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: That reminds me: Is Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton still a thing?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: check with their publicists, they’re the ones who created the “relationship”

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    Redshift says:

    @JustRuss: I’m pretty sure it’s that Democrats are just harassing him and have no legitimate reason to want to see his taxes, so they sound be as private as anyone else’s. (If they bother to make an argument at all.)

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    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Sure we do, it’s means your drinking and dancing the samba in the street

  62. 62
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @MomSense: gosh no—wouldn’t want to offend. I call them “HR gals” when they’re around.

  63. 63
    RAVEN says:

    @Jay: It’s a butte, no it’s a mound.

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    Immanentize says:

    @MomSense: I already suggested litigation

  66. 66
    Jay says:


    Butte out, Steve in the Where’s Waldo and I are talking,….

  67. 67

    @Jay: Where’s Waldo is so Y2K, it’s ‘Where’s Steve’ now.

  68. 68
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Joe Falco: “Hillary’s emails have endangered all Americans. Why is the MSM covering this up?!”

  69. 69
    divF says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    “I missed her too,” he replied, “but she had been there.”
    “On the La Paloma ?”
    “ ‘The La’ is a lousy combination.”

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Are you saying their relationship was fake?

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    japa21 says:

    @MomSense: Combine that with the last half of his statement and he could really be in trouble.

  72. 72
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m in San Diego. Wait, no, my name is Carmen Sandiego.

  73. 73
    Steve in the ATL says:

    @divF: the Louvre and the Dorsay are my favorite museums in Paris.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: odds are

    ETA: hat trick! I mean, TenguPhule trick!

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Pretty good!

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)


    Darn Spaniards stole it from the Amazons.


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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Irregardless… Them’s the breaks. You should of known better.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: “Listen up dolls.” All eyes turned wearily to the guy in blue jeans and performance shoes.

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    Jay says:

    “A Connecticut police department has reached a deal with a fugitive that would have him surrender if enough people respond to a wanted poster on social media, an agreement that at least one expert calls unethical.

    Jose Simms, 29, who is believed to be somewhere in New York, has seven arrest warrants and is being sought as a fugitive after failing to appear in court on charges that range from breach of peace to risk of injury to a child.”


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    dopey-o says:

    @divF: in santa fe, we used to love going downtown to the La Fonda hotel. Had a bar and a bakery.

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    NotMax says:

    As it’s a free-for-all type of thread, added to the lengthy list of Things I Will Never Do.

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    it’s ‘Where’s Steve’ now.

    Isn’t he hanging out with Adam?

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    divF says:

    @dopey-o: I’ve been to La Fonda many times. Lovely place. Bar’s a little pricey, though.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @West of the Rockies: well played. Or horribly played, depending on one’s perspective.

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    chris says:

    @NotMax: Why not? Do you want to be eaten by bears?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @West of the Rockies: I had a labor guy who use to say “irregardless”. That may or may not have had a hand in his failure to get promoted.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    @Roger Moore:

    A serious possibility is that they know what it would reveal about Trump and don’t want the rest of us to find out.

    I think that’s the most positive reason. The worse they know what it would reveal about themselves and don’t want to wear matching orange..

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    Aleta says:

    @dopey-o: I remember the small La Plazuela.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Why would you think I would know that? What is a Blake Shelton?

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    @NotMax: I guess bungee jumping is on that list too.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @MomSense: They don’t mind the term as much as they do the ass pinching.

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    jl says:

    @Joe Falco:” I can’t wait to see what kind of news segments Fox will show while all the other networks report on the details of Trump’s tax returns. ”

    In other countries run by authoritarians that Trump excessively admires, you watch out for hours of patriotic military band music and endless clips of old military parades. That’s when you know some shit is going down.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: You’d be lost in Lothlorien.

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    Keith P. says:

    @Joe Falco:

    I can’t wait to see what kind of news segments Fox will show while all the other networks report on the details of Trump’s tax returns.


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    Aleta says:

    @chris: Your choices aren’t good if one wants the jerky you took up to bed.

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    jl says:

    @NotMax: The trip down to the outhouse is really quick. But usually takes a lot longer to get back.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Aleta: One doesn’t take jerky to bed in bear and/or mountain lion country.

    ETA: Oh wait, was jerky a euphemism for something naughty?

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    NotMax says:


    At one time La Fonda del Sol was a fancy schmancy, ‘where the elite meet to eat’ dining hotspot in NYC. Decor was a feast for the eyes, food was determinedly mediocre.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    …is it fair to assume that 300+ million Americans don’t know that “rio” is the Spanish word for…well, you know.

    Is cookie?

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Not after the first time, anyway.


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    MomSense says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Oh that’s soooo much better.

    @Immanentize: @japa21:

    It’s on!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jimmiraybob: Well played.

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    MomSense says:


    Anyone else singing guys and dolls tunes?

    When you see a guy reach for stars in the sky
    You can bet that he’s doing it for some doll

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    Karen says:

    @JustRuss: Wingnuttia would find an excuse if Trump killed someone. Bonus if he killed a POC.

  108. 108
    Keith P. says:

    @Karen: “It wasn’t murder; it was a blood sacrifice.”

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    MomSense says:


    That’s so much nicer.

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    MomSense says:

    I’m at a loss.


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    Msilaneous says:

    @MomSense: Had an interview once with someone who called the office staff his “gals.” I passed on the job and wound up with the best boss I’ve ever had.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Bill Barr is eating at Trump Hotel DC


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    MomSense says:


    You chose wisely.

    @zhena gogolia:

    He has a whole series of unusual covers!

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    zhena gogolia says:


    He also writes his own songs, which are wonderful.

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    Martin says:

    @MomSense: Economic anxiety boiling over.

    BTW, best infrastructure week yet.

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    karen marie says:

    @Kirk Spencer: Their jobs depend on ignoring the elephant in the room.

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    MomSense says:


    How the hell did we get bested by these fools?

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    LC says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Can we shut down this thread please? I’m just getting warmed up in the grammar pedant thread below!

    I am rather sad I had a spike at work and didn’t get to go back on that thread when it was live and full of people being so wrong about things. :)

  121. 121
    Martin says:

    @MomSense: We don’t vote.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LC: the good news is that another one of these threads will come along soon. Some people here just can’t help themselves!

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    Leto says:

    Congressman Jerry Raskin, who sits on the Judiciary and Oversight Committees, is on Laurence O’Donnell saying that they’ll probably open an Impeachment Inquiry soon. Because, as I was saying yesterday, it’s separate from Impeachment Proceedings and it’s a prerequisite. Apparently there have been 65 previous Inquiries which never lead to Impeachment. It’s the formal inquiry on whether Impeachment Proceedings should start. More House Dems are clueing in on that fact and are asking for it to happen. Good.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    It is an excruciating “word.”

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    Yutsano says:

    @Leto: Wow…it’s almost like Nancy knows what she’s doing or something…

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    Aleta says:

    @MomSense: nice

    @MomSense: A fool and his mustard are soon parted.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Her NAME is Alberta, she LIVES in Vancouver!
    My girlfriend who lives
    in Canada!

    I’m feeling your travel pain right now. My flight to San Jose is supposed to start boarding in 10 minutes and the the plane is still waiting for the gate to be free since the previous flight only just finished boarding.

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    chopper says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    i’ve seen a dramastic rise in the use of it.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    They cheated.

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    Luthe says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m pretty sure Steve’s asleep in Cole’s bed right now…

    Oh, you meant commenter Steve!

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    NotMax says:


    Wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo.



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    H.E.Wolf says:


    “SIddown siddown siddown siddown
    Siddown you’re rockin’ the boat!”

    The plot and the gender relations are, hmm, very much of their time… but there is some wonderful music in that musical!

    (Long long long ago, I was in an extremely Community Theatre production in which, during the opening number, the director had me pick the pocket of one of my castmates – a bit of stage business which was a hoot to perform.)

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    NotMax says:


    Remember one production was involved with in which the lady playing Miss Adelaide, no matter how long and how intensely coached and corrected, kept singing “I love you, a bushel and a beck.” It really was some kind of intractable mental speed bump.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Adam is putting up a related Happy News Post tomorrow — longtime commenter Darkrose is graduating from the same master’s degree program as G.

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    hotshoe says:

    I’m disappointed yet again with the quality of media personalities; a few minutes ago I was listening to “leftist” radio interview with a tax lawyer about the Dumpster’s tax returns, the guest lawyer kept stressing that no president should ever be forced to disclose personal financial information. And why not? Because, he speculates, it might discourage “good people” from running for office. Damn.
    And the radio person just let lawyer-man get away with that shit, repeatedly.
    Damn. Damn.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    I saw an otherwise excellent student production of “Pippin” a few years ago, in which the young woman playing Fastrada sang, on every chorus: “And if we all could SPRETT a little sunshine”, instead of “spread”.

    At the time, I couldn’t understand how no one had caught that and fixed it – but you’re right, it was probably a mental speed bump. We all have ’em.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    Congratulations to Darkrose and G!

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    AnotherBruce says:

    “That thread is literally dead.” Suppose I go and find that thread. Suppose I comment on that thread. So if I did that, the thread is not literally dead. As of the advent of the of the cyber world, nothing can truly be literally dead. Actually, though this is literally depressing.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    There’s a multistage bicycle race here called “the Le Tour de Langkawi“. No, I don’t understand why a Malaysian bicycle race needs a name in French.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    Aged eyes at first read that as “a mucilage bicycle race.”

    Which would be quite a thing, indeed.


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    LongHairedWeirdo says:

    What on earth makes people think that the GOP doesn’t think they know exactly what Trump’s hiding? I mean, why are we assuming that the GOP is engaged in gross negligence, rather than aiding and abetting?

    I mean, think about it.
    Trump knew the Russians were helping him; he welcomed their help; we can’t *prove* he asked for it or coordinated it, but we know he wanted it.
    We know that there was a meeting, supposedly supported by the Russian government, in Trump Tower, where “nothing happened”; in fact, someone even texted someone else that the meeting was a bust. So we know nothing happened, because no intelligence agency in the world would think about how to make a meeting look innocuous.
    We know that Jared “wrong kind of” Kushner wanted a secret-from-the-US back channel to Russia, which only makes sense if he was planning illegal activity; (If he *wasn’t* planning illegal activity, he thought he could best Russian intelligence *inside the Russian embassy*, and is so dangerously incompetent he shouldn’t even be allowed a security cle… yeah, okay, ha ha, that sentence sure ended up sounding stupider at the end than at the start.)
    We know that Trump *has* created a secret back channel to Russia.
    We know that he’s violated the Presidential Records Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act) by seizing and destroying the translator’s notes. (Forget his “tearing up” filing system – he deliberately nabbed the notes, knew that meant they had to be preserved, and destroyed them.)

    And everyone, *EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING* with the competence to form an opinion on the matter, knows that Russia is acting in *RUSSIA’S* best interests, not the GOP’s.

    So: why do we assume the GOP “just doesn’t care”? Can you seriously imagine that they care *so little* about America that they didn’t demand that Trump tell them a comforting story about what’s really going on?

    Why are we assuming they’re hypocritical and engaged in gross negligence of their duties, rather realizing it’s far more likely they’re aiding and abetting Trump in his commission of crimes? That’s a serious question – it would be a wild conspiracy theory with any other President in modern history, but here… well, I hate to quote a sh!tbird, but it’s irresponsible not to speculate. We have people who said “if you warn the public that Russia is trying to harm our election, we’ll say you’re being a partisan who is trying to get Clinton elected!” and who violated every norm on judicial appointments to steal a SCOTUS seat (in spite of the clear doomed GOP candidacy); I’m asking your honest opinion: don’t you think it’d be awfully weird if they weren’t read into the operation?

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Hard to see why anyone here takes you seriously.

    Ridicule is serious business. Its objects should be taken seriously.

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    2liberal says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    every time I see a truck from “Valley Crest” landscaping I die a little bit inside.

    we’ve got some “Desert Cove” places and street names out here in the PHX-burbs

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