“I don’t care if you’re sick of snails, Clarissa!”

“You’ll eat it, and you’ll LIKE it!”

That’s what I imagined Mama Limpkin was saying to the baby as they trudged through the swamp in the rain this morning. Could be I read the interaction all wrong, though.

Speaking of picky eaters, my husband and I are both decent cooks who like to cycle new items through the home menu to keep things interesting. Our kiddo HATED that growing up. There were maybe five things she liked, and if we weren’t having one of those things, she’d sigh and roll her eyes and pick through her plate like it was a platter of wombat entrails and generally act put-upon.

Well, ever since she fled the nest, she’s decided she likes our cooking just fine. She joins us for meals frequently and texts us for recipes all the time. I am inordinately pleased by this, for some reason.

Open thread!

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    My daughter was also a picky eater. She is less picky now that she flew the coop and has to cook on her own now.

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    Do the alligators eat these pretty birds?

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    Humdo says:

    My husband was a very picky eater. The first meal I cooked for him, our second date, I served vodka pasta. It contains snow peas and broccoli. He ate it, like one does when trying to impress, then said he didn’t feel well after dinner. He seemed flush and had a 102.5 degree temperature. He said he didn’t feel well enough to drive home (yeah, right, huh?) so I let him sleep in my couch. The next morning he was still feverish and covered with red welts. He got chicken pox at age 26! I called his mother to tell her her sons was dying on my couch. He was still in college and had to be quarantined. Our second date lasted over a week, but not in any fun way. He still won’t eat broccoli or snow peas, but has no problem with vodka!
    But he will now try most anything I cook, luckily.

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    Chris T. says:

    How are wombat entrails anyway?

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    Humdog says:

    My husband was a very picky eater. The first meal I cooked for him, our second date, I served vodka pasta. It contains snow peas and broccoli. He ate it, like one does when trying to impress, then said he didn’t feel well after dinner. He seemed flush and had a 102.5 degree temperature. He said he didn’t feel well enough to drive home (yeah, right, huh?) so I let him sleep in my couch. The next morning he was still feverish and covered with red welts. He got chicken pox at age 26! I called his mother to tell her her sons was dying on my couch. He was still in college and had to be quarantined. Our second date lasted over a week, but not in any fun way. He still won’t eat broccoli or snow peas, but has no problem with vodka!
    But he will now try most anything I cook, luckily.

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    SenyorDave says:

    This Rosenstein story is sickening. Money quote for me is this: He only mentioned Trump once in the talk, praising the president’s approach to the law. “The rule of law is our most important principle,” Rosenstein said. “As President Trump pointed out, ‘We govern ourselves in accordance with the rule of law rather [than] … the whims of an elite few or the dictates of collective will.’”
    Anyone who mentions Trump and rule of law in the same sentence has no business being anywhere near the DOJ.
    Another case of a person flushing their reputation down the Trump toilet.

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    Aleta says:

    Oliver Willis @owillis
    Only two people in American history have received 65 million votes or more. One is black. One is a woman.

    NPR @NPR
    Six months after electing a diverse wave of women to Congress, some “electability”-minded Democrats fear the U.S. isn’t ready for a woman, person of color or LGBTQ presidential candidate.

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    @Chris T.: Nutritious and delicious. You will eat them and not complain.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Mama Limpkin should tell her kiddos at least snow isn’t forecast for tomorrow like Chicago.

    On topic – my dad cooked every night when we were growing up. Only constant complaint we had that I can remember was having to finish our vegetables.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Chris T.: Not as good as cassowary entrails, but cassowary entrails come preseasoned with revenge.

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    Humdog says:

    My dad used to make oatmeal for breakfast before church on Sundays. My sister hated it but neither of us could leave the table until we both cleaned our bowls. One Sunday my sister tried eating the oatmeal but threw up at the table back into the bowl. She was excused, but I had to finish mine. Oatmeal looks pretty much the same fresh served and freshly vomited, who knew?

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    aretino says:

    Kudos for the sly reference to The Baron in the Trees

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @jeffreyw: That sounds like a threat.

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    trollhattan says:

    Heh, kids! Bird kids all with bedhair.

    Mine’s a wannabe vegetarian who can’t quit fish, so at least we get some protein down her. Our temporary exchange kid is taking things a step further–no meat or fish–making it a challenge to feed the pair (how would you like your fake burger cooked?) I guess so long as she’s not showing ribs when she gets back home we’ll have done our duty. The look of delight on her face on trying her first Cheetos made it all worth it. I guess. Best thing so far: drive-in movie.

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    Mary G says:

    I love fuzzy-headed baby birds. I was a picky eater who became a neurotic picky eater.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I’ve never seen that happen (and hope I never do!), but I’m sure they do. The only things I’ve personally seen alligators eat are fish and turtles.

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    Aleta says:

    Two short instagram vids (turn off sound if you don’t like music that (to me) goes nowhere)
    Millions of Monarch Butterflies

    Various butterflies eating fruit

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    VeniceRiley says:

    I used to flip out if my mom put cheese on my tacos. And I hated eggs, so that limited the breakfast options. peas were fine if frozen, but not from a can. Green beans were fine, but not the French cut ones (that were the ones my sister liked) and the child palate is a mystery!

    My poor mother. Six kids and a husband to feed. But she grew up in the depression and women from that era had excellent cooking and baking skills. Oh, gosh. her PIES were to die for! DIE! FOR! When we lived in Iran while dad worked for Hughes Intl, Our Iranian neighbor hired her to make pies for his Italian resto and treated her like a queen.

    My pickiness karma came back to me when my great niece had a truly spectacular meltdown that the jar salsa for her burrito was the wrong brand.

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    Yutsano says:

    My dad has a very limited palate. It doesn’t help that he’s the only one in our family who’s allergic to shellfish, which the rest of us love. So the diet at their house gets a little…monochromatic.

    When I have my own kitchen (hopefully again in the next couple of weeks) I will try just about anything. Except lutefisk. Once was enough thank you very much!

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    jeffreyw says:

    We had a downpour yesterday, over 3 inches, and it put paid to the snowball flowers on the viburnum.

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    Sab says:

    @Chris T.: I hate to think, because they poop cubes.

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    Sab says:

    @Yutsano: What with tax season and opposite coasts and all I wasn’t able to wish you well in a timely matter.

    My uncle was allergic to shellfish and all melons. Lutefisk was one of the few things he could eat, besides pork and oatmeal. And kippers.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @jeffreyw: It’s really unfair to threaten me with food when I haven’t had lunch yet.

    I’m thinking another serving of SAM THE COOKING GUY’S one pot mac and cheese. More bacon this time around though.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    I don’t get this “picky eater” stuff. You put a variety of food in front of them from a very young age, and they’ll eat. All of our kids ate whatever was served, and now my grandkids are the same. I’m sure I will offend people, but I largely blame the parents, not the kids.

    Although I will confess to never having served wombat entrails.

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    JPL says:

    Gotta say that I was pretty lucky on the broccoli front. One son liked the flowers and one the stems. They both are better cooks then I and use healthy ingredients.

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    CaseyL says:

    I imagined a very similar conversation some years back while on a bear-watching vacation. The bear watch venue was by a restored salmon run, with blinds set up for human to hide in so we could see the bears without taking our lives in our hands :)

    I was there in mid-September, maybe a little late in the season. The grizzly bears had already been gorging on salmon for the better part of the summer. Lots of grizzlies sitting around looking stuffed. They’d gotten to the point of satiation where the only parts they were eating were the brains and the roe (with the rest of the fish laying there looking really sad, decapitated and disemboweled).

    So: A mama bear and her two babies. Mom shows them a salmon. They ignore it. Mom walks around them, herding them back to the salmon. They ignore it.

    That’s when I gave them dialog: “Aw, Mom! Not salmon again! We’re sooooo sick of it…”

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    JPL says:

    @SenyorDave: I assumed that he was offered something, but no it seems that he was just afraid of being fired by tweet tears and all.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Yutsano: My husband isn’t allergic to shellfish, but he’s prone to gout, so he can’t eat that sort of food very often, which sucks because I love it so. To compensate, I insist on an occasional “beer and shrimp night” at a local pub that has WONDERFUL shrimp boils and stone crab claws, when in season. Nom nom nom!

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    Another Scott says:

    Open Thread?


    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden raised $6.3 million in the first 24 hours of his campaign, providing a stronger showing than any of his rivals.

    Biden, 76, brought in the bulk of that haul through smaller contributions, his campaign spokesman TJ Ducklo wrote on Twitter, with 97 percent of those donations under $200.

    He bested the rest of the Democratic field in first-day fundraising, including Bernie Sanders, who raised $5.9 million, and Beto O’Rourke, who brought in $6.1 million.

    Prior to entering the race on Thursday, Biden faced speculation that he was going to be unable to raise small-dollar donations via the Internet – which has been viewed as a test of viability and support in the Democratic Party.

    To qualify for the first debate in June, candidates need to receive donations from 65,000 different donors. Biden reached that mark in the first 12 hours of his campaign, Ducklo said.

    Biden has joined most of the rest of the Democratic field in swearing off donations from Washington lobbyists and PACs associated with corporations. But he did hold a fundraiser on the first day of his campaign at the Philadelphia home of David Cohen, a Comcast executive.


    (Emphasis added.)



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    hueyplong says:

    @Aleta: We’re running against Donald Fucking Trump and NPR lectures us about “electability.” By rights, a three-legged goat should beat him.


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    VeniceRiley says:


    May be the best title in ages.

    Speaking of snails, let’s talk the texture issue. My kid no-go list included any organ meats, lima beans, snails, avocado … anything weird texture or slimy. My mom cooked liver and onions for herself and it smelled divine, but I couldn’t get past that texture.

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    Leto says:

    Our son was a picky eater growing up. Part of it was the fact that he’s allergic to beef and certain cheeses. Once we figured that out, things got better (to an extent). But I also did a lot of reading about tastebuds, how they continue to change over a lifetime, and how that shapes kids eating patterns. We introduced him to stuff all the time, but I also didn’t force him to eat things he didn’t like. It’s counterproductive and leads to frustration with both parties. He ate healthy meals and that was my only concern.

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    Suzanne says:

    Today is our first over-100-degree day. I am exhausted. Must spend tomorrow in pool.

    Maybe this is uncool, but I broke up with a very nice (and pretty hot) dude with Asperger’s because he literally would only eat spaghetti with butter on it. He took vitamin and protein supplements. I love food and I couldn’t deal with it. Mr. Suzanne likes to eat and to cook as much as I do, and trying new restaurants is one of my great joys in life.

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    Sab says:

    @Gin & Tonic: How about beef liver with beef liver gravy? My husband will eat anything, but not that. I asked what did you do when they served it. He says we ate the potatoes and vegetables, and there was a pet dalmation under the table.

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    eemom says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I don’t think people realized it when our old asses were kids, but “clean your plate” is some seriously fucked up shit.

    My wise late MIL, who was ahead of her time in many ways, used to say “No child ever starved itself to death.”

    My own Greek mother, on the other hand…..omg.

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    Aleta says:

    @hueyplong: Oliver Willis throws it right back at them and reminds us how untrue.

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    eemom says:


    By rights, a three-legged goat should beat him.

    Again with the goats.

    Wish some goat would announce and be done with it.

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    trollhattan says:

    And I thought our 92 was bad.

    It was bad, launching from 60s a scant few days earlier. But I’m not turning the A/C on in April and that’s that. (Car, yes, house, nope.)

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    Nicole says:

    I was a picky eater as a kid, too. Now, as an adult, I’ll eat almost anything. So I am pretty chill over having a child who also only likes to eat about 5 things.

    (Though I admit, food options are MUCH better than when I was growing up in Central PA and going out for Chinese food was being exotic, and Red Lobster was the FANCY place for dinner.)

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    Suzanne says:

    @trollhattan: I’ve had the HVAC on for a month.

    I am not looking forward to my ninth month being June in Phoenix. I did not plan this well.

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    Leto says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What happens when they reject 80% of the food you put in front of them? Do you force them to eat it anyways? Does it become a battle of wills where, you as the parent, are determined to triumph no matter what?

    My kid doesn’t like ketchup. Is it my failure as a parent, as you noted above, that he doesn’t like ketchup? Should I have just slathered more of it on his food and told him to just shut up and eat? I haven’t even touched actual difficult food like cilantro, haggis, frutti di mare, or jalapeños.

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    JPL says:

    @eemom: I was in my thirties when my sister said Why didn’t you just feet the liver to the dog rather than sit at a table in tears for a hour. Who knew you could do that.

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    trollhattan says:

    There ottabe a law! My deepest sympathies and best wishes.

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    thebewilderness says:

    I was called a picky eater because I did not care for the over salted, cooked to mush vegies, and slabs of meat, I grew up with.
    I learned how to cook to suit myself.
    Neither of my kiddos were picky eaters at home, though they often professed not to be at all hungry when at grandma’s house.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Chris T.:

    How are wombat entrails anyway?

    Tastes like chicken.

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    Sab says:

    @Suzanne: When I was twelve, we kids and my Dad took my Ohio raised mother on a 12 hour canoe trip when she was 8 months pregnant in central Florida, in May. It was very, very hot. She was a trouper.

    Her relationship with the impending fetus never recovered. She blamed the poor kid for the next forty years.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    Lutefisk was one of the few things he could eat

    He could eat it, sure, but why the hell would he?

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    JPL says:

    I actually did some of what Gin & Tonic is saying. Try to fill the plate with a variety of colors to achieve a balanced diet such as sweet potatoes, beans salad and fruit. My niece one time loved the idea and asked if gummy bears would achieve the same thing.

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    Leto says:

    @eemom: I grew up with grandparents and parents like that (clean your plate). It was a byproduct of living through the Depression. Now they also taught, only put on your plate what you’re going to eat. I feel, for a kid, that’s an important lesson. Doesn’t mean you can’t have more, but don’t overload it and waste food.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    I was called a picky eater because I did not care for the over salted, cooked to mush vegies, and slabs of meat, I grew up with.

    The South is not for everyone!

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    trollhattan says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Accurately describes the upper Midwest too. If it’s worth cooking, it’s worth COOKING.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    Who knew you could do that.

    Almost everyone with a dog!

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    Leto says:

    @JPL: Smart kid. She’s going places ;)

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    Ruckus says:

    Have zero sense of smell left and that means that I have almost zero sense of taste left. I can tell salty, bitter, sweet, and hot – as in spicy and that’s about it. So it’s all texture and memory.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @trollhattan: mmm…brats and beer cheese while wearing an NFC North team jersey!

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    NotMax says:

    Gads, am so sick of lame “the most” historical comparisons as used above.

    The U.S. didn’t reach a population of 65 million (and that’s total not voters) until the 1890s.

    65 million voters in all? Probably about 1940.

    BTW, site display is super funky right now.

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    eemom says:


    Red Lobster was the FANCY place for dinner.

    heh. My son, who is a very picky eater, loves that place.

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    Sab says:

    My autistic granddaughter has cured them of the parental bossiness. If it’s not red, or if it’s a weird texture, she will not eat it EVER. A relief for the other older kids.

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    ruemara says:

    I wasn’t particularly picky, but I had learned it was easier to at least try the food by a young age. Funny thing, I always loved spinach, liver, raw vegs etc. But you couldn’t get me to eat cow foot stew or tripe for love, money or threat of evening church services. My mother’s modest cooking skills and the presence of public tv cooking shows taught me to cook. Then I got stuck making all the salads and cornbread

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    JPL says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Well I didn’t find out until I was in my thirties, which was the same time I found out there was not a home for bad nuns. I went to Catholic school until eighth grade and the monsignor would ship out nuns if he was concerned about abuse. Somehow in my mind, I assumed they were sent to a home, never to teach again rather than another school. Yup no home for bad nuns.

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    eemom says:

    The things I will not eat are:

    sesame noodles (UGH)
    brussels sprouts

    I think that’s it.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    Have zero sense of smell left

    Yeah, but partying with Belushi in the ‘70’s was *epic*

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    JPL says:

    @Leto: She actually is doing quite well.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Suzanne: my sister would only eat her spaghetti buttered when we were kids. Of course she also liked unheated hot dogs…

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic: One can only assume (naturally) that a different animal’s entrails are the go-to entrails in Casa de G&T.

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    Suzanne says:


    When I was twelve, we kids and my Dad took my Ohio raised mother on a 12 hour canoe trip when she was 8 months pregnant in central Florida, in May.

    Oh HELL no.
    We have a company trip next week (not for a client) at our office in Ontario, CA, and my doctor said I can’t fly. My colleagues offered to drive with me and I declined. When I was younger, I was more okay with enduring discomfort. But now I want to be cool and be able to pee whenever the need arises.

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    Martin says:

    I learned with my daughter that her picky eating was less what was served to her and more about her agency regarding what was served to her.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I don’t get this “picky eater” stuff. You put a variety of food in front of them from a very young age, and they’ll eat. All of our kids ate whatever was served, and now my grandkids are the same. I’m sure I will offend people, but I largely blame the parents, not the kids.

    Wow. I really disagree here.

    I was an incredibly picky eater as a kid. Also skinny, so my mother worried about my health. But I loved a few things. Hamburgers. Bacon and eggs with toast. My mother took me to the doctor, who wisely said that I was healthy, so not to worry.

    I had an aunt who insisted that I eat what she put down in front of me. I would chew the food and spit it out into a napkin.

    I always hated making mealtime into something painful or a punishment.

    And I don’t think that this has squat to do with parenting skills. People develop tastes for foods. Even kids. Parents should respect that.

    ETA: I got much better about food in high school, and especially college. This is also when I learned that I loved to travel and to try different types of food.

    Not too long ago, I was down in the Los Angeles garment district and had an unexpectedly great meal at a small Peruvian restaurant.

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    @Leto: I’m ok with ketchup, but it makes me sweat(I think it the vinegar).

    To answer your questions from last night…the kid hasn’t recently joined the Air Force(so there’s not a new HP movie that I know of), but went though BMT in late 2005. She was a medical tech and spent most of her service at Lackland. She was at Lakenheath for two years and spent about 6 months at Andrews.

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    eemom says:


    Have zero sense of smell left

    My husband lost his in a bad motorcycle wreck when he was 19. He can still taste though.

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    Sab says:

    @Suzanne: Your child will thank you. I still can’t believe my Mom blamed the kid , but she did. Like it was it’s fault she had to pee, and not hers and Dad’s.


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    The Moar You Know says:

    But he did hold a fundraiser on the first day of his campaign at the Philadelphia home of David Cohen, a Comcast executive.

    We have a literal tyrant to beat who is not only getting funded by our oligarchs but Russia’s as well and people want to bitch about where the money to beat the lunatic is coming from.

    However much any Dem raises this cycle, the GOP will raise more. So can we knock off the purity pony shit and get real? IF a Dem wins it, they are going to have to take money from anyone and everyone. And go begging for more. Biden better be out there getting every last dime he can. All the Dem candidates should.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    I’m sure that Democrats are taking Rod Rosenstein’s outrageous conduct into consideration as they contemplate possibly impeaching Trump. Or so I hope.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Gravenstone: Food pickiness strikes me as a childish thing, and I found it to be very much a turnoff in an adult. But I felt badly, because I knew he couldn’t help it.

    Having said that, I dislike food I characterize as “gloopy”, like cheesy soups. Gross.

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    eemom says:

    Anyone remember the “starving kids in China” line? I had a friend who would go to the window and yell “Come and get it!”

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    I have the day off, so I just made challah (yes, I know it’s still Passover, I despise matzoh, so sue me) and a batch of lemon curd to make lemon mousse for tonight’s dessert. Now I’m gonna sit in a lawn chair under the giant blooming Cecile Brunner rose and read magazines.

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    Cacti says:

    What’s with this recent trend of “voting rights for incarcerated felons!” that Bernie and the other moonbats have latched onto?

    We can’t even guarantee the voting rights every law abiding citizen at present. Restoring the franchise to assorted ax murderers, rapists, and kiddie fiddlers serving sentence seems like a solution in search of a problem, apart from being electoral poison.

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    JR says:

    @Gin & Tonic: not true, my son would never eat green vegetables as a kid. Different people have different tolerances and tastes, and some of that is inborn. Is that really hard to acknowledge?

    He eats his greens now though, because dessert is contingent. He obviously hates them though.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Just come the fuck out and say Packers jersey. You know you want to.

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    Ruckus says:

    Mom had that covered, wouldn’t let the dog in the house at meal time.

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    Growing up in the fifties I was one of those tots who was reluctant to eat his vegetables, going so far, when the choleric father demanded that I “clean my plate,” as to surreptitiously scoop the loathsome greens into the napkin on my lap. This was because they were canned vegetables! Canned asparagus! Canned spinach! Canned peas! I was in my early twenties before I discovered fresh veggies.

    Years ago, my younger brother and I were driving to visit the now-elderly paterfamilias, and reminiscing. I said at one point, “Life hasn’t delivered on many of my youthful hopes, but at least I know that I’ll never be compelled to gag down a mouthful of canned asparagus again, thank Christ.” And we arrive, and the old man prepares lunch for us and…you guessed it.

    My brother could scarcely contain his mirth.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Steve in the ATL:
    It was.
    But that’s not the cause.

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    NotMax says:

    Will eat most anything EXCEPT zucchini.

    Although will admit to some hesitancy when it comes to long rice.

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    Ruckus says:

    My loss doesn’t come from the face/nasal area but from the other end of the process. And this is going to cost me but I’ll say it anyway, brain is malfunctioning. As if that wasn’t obvious.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: it possibly could have been a Lions jersey!

    Nah, you’re right.

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    Well, ever since she fled the nest, she’s decided she likes our cooking just fine. She joins us for meals frequently and texts us for recipes all the time. I am inordinately pleased by this, for some reason.

    It’s amazing how wise your parents suddenly become when you’re around twenty-three.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I don’t have kids, and neither I nor my siblings were really picky eaters. I have one nephew who was a little tyrant at meal time– watching that drove my parents nuts. He was pretty spoiled and knew how to manipulate his parents. Kind of a marvel he turned out as well as he has at 25. My mom was a great cook, except for vegetables which she mostly cooked to mush. My dad, fairly enlightened for a guy born in the Hoover administration as the first born and only son to an Irish mother, tried to help out with the cooking from time to time. It never went well.

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    Another Scott says:

    @The Moar You Know: I don’t believe in unilateral disarmament, believe it or not. Joe raised a bunch of money – good for him.

    It’s clear where the Reuters reporter wanted the reader to go with that construction, though.

    Biden’s a big boy and knows how politics works. If he (and all the rest of the Democratic candidates) wants to claim that s/he doesn’t take money from registered lobbyists, that’s fine. But he has to realize that it looks at least slightly hypocritical to refuse to take money from Comcast’s official lobbyist while hanging out and getting money inside a Comcast executive’s home.

    I don’t know where to draw the line about political donations, but our candidates need to be able to answer questions about appearances.

    That is all. Sorry it raised your blood-pressure.


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    Ranalms says:

    Mmmm wombat entrails

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    Jay says:

    “Since late December, Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, has pressed the departments of State, Justice and Homeland Security for information on the Saudi government’s actions in helping to repatriate Saudi students who faced criminal charges here. Wyden voiced particular outrage about the case of Fallon Smart, a 15-year-old Portland girl who was struck and killed by the speeding car of a Saudi college student in 2016.

    That student, Abdulrahman Sameer Noorah, was freed from a Portland jail after the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles gave him $100,000 to cover his $1 million bail. He surrendered his passport and driver’s license to Homeland Security officials. But on a Saturday afternoon in June 2017, two weeks before Noorah was to go on trial for manslaughter, a large, black SUV picked him up at the home where he was staying and spirited him away. His ankle monitoring bracelet was later found by the roadside; a week later, he was back in Saudi Arabia — a fact that the authorities in Oregon did not learn until more than a year later”


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    TomatoQueen says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Could you be prevailed upon to pretty please submit a picture of the Cecile Brunner rose? That was my late mother’s favorite variety, and I haven’t seen one in many years.

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    rikyrah says:

    It is pure ratphuckery😠😠😠

    The Dem candidates better catch on quick and dispatch that nonsense

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    Ruckus says:

    Some of that can be preparation. Mom cooked brussel sprouts. And then overcooked them and then some. I hated them more than pretty much anything except liver and onions. About 7 yrs ago a friend cooked brussel sprouts properly and I ate one. It wasn’t bad, not my favorite but eatable.
    Mom was a good cook for the most part and we ate a wide variety of foods, most of which I had no problem with or were great. But there were meals that were just not worth the effort to pick up the silverware.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Aleta: Let me guess, these Democrats’ names wouldn’t be Seth, Joe and Bernie?

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    dmsilev says:

    @Cacti: They’re trying to one-up the (partially successful) movement to restore voting rights to felons after they’ve finished serving their sentences?

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    Baud says:


    Need to be leftier than thou in order to call Dems sellouts. Single payer isn’t going to do it this time.

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    JPL says:

    So should we have a post about the Washington Post article stating that Rosenstein begged with tears not to be fired by tweet.
    That could explain last nights performance.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I will eat pretty much anything halal, except fish with those little fine bones you have to pick out of their flesh, and the undercooked bean sprouts my mother was so fond of. I like my taugeh cooked until thoroughly wilted.

    By the way, Liverpool had a good Friday night, thrashing bottom-of-the-league Huddersfield Town 5-0. Forwards Mo Salah and Sadio Mane both broke 20 goals for the season, each bagging himself a brace. Salah also broke the club record for most goals scored in the first 100 appearances.

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    rikyrah says:

    Which foods are a no for me,:
    Seafood ( unless catfish, perch, or shrimp)
    Lima beans
    Pecan pie
    French toast ( this hurts because I love Damn near anything for breakfast)
    Hoghead cheese
    Anything in the blue cheese family

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    Millard Filmore says:


    “No child ever starved itself to death.”

    I saw a TV show a few years ago (decades really) about some rare kids for whom eating enough was a daily hours long fight.

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    Jay says:

    @Rand Careaga:

    Back in the day, canned was a fraction of the cost of fresh-frozen Birds Eye or Green Giant, and what was “available” in grocery stores in winter/spring was limited to pretty much local storage.

    It’s why I loved spring. As a kid, it started out with fiddleheads, then sorrel and wild spinach and moved on into late spring when Mom would thin the vegetable garden.

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    MomSense says:


    Shorter Rosenstein: Don’t McCabe me, bro.

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    rikyrah says:

    What foolishness is this?😠😠😠

    From USA TODAY

    Kamala Harris owns a handgun. That’s disqualifying for a 2020 Democrat in my book. Harris, a former DA, apparently thinks it’s fine to own a handgun for personal safety. That’s a position held by the NRA, not progressive Democrats.


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    Baud says:


    At least we know they’re scared of her.

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    @rikyrah: that’s not a great look…

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    @rikyrah: Quite a few prosecutors own firearms for personal protection, it’s one of the few professions that you could get a carry permit in CA without question.

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    MomSense says:


    As a kid we had big gardens and “put up” a lot of fruits and vegetables. We canned, made preserves and sauces, and froze things like berries. I still think about sitting around the kitchen table shelling peas or snipping the ends off the beans with my grandma, aunts and great aunts. Everyone talk, talk, talking while we worked.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @rikyrah: Peter Funt is a writer and host of “Candid Camera.”

    I had no idea Alan had a son, or that the franchise was being kept alive.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That said, kids learn pretty fast what they don’t like, albeit sometimes for the wrong reasons. I wouldn’t eat steak until I was in my twenties because my late father believed it wasn’t safe to eat anything less than medium-well, so I grew up thinking all beef tasted like shoe leather.

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    Nicole says:


    heh. My son, who is a very picky eater, loves that place.

    I do not deny that their cheddar bay biscuits are quite tasty.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @rikyrah: well, so much for Kamala. Thank god we have disqualified every democrat we can vote trump 2020 and feel no guilt.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Okay, since others have brought up politics

    Sahil Kapur @ sahilkapur
    3h3 hours ago
    WaPo-ABC poll:
    —51-21% say Mueller’s probe was fair and even handed

    —53-31% say it did NOT clear Trump of all wrongdoing

    —47-41% say he tried to interfere and obstruct justice

    —58% say Trump lied about matters in the probe; 31% say he told the truth

    —56-37% say don’t impeach

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    JPL says:

    @MomSense: We didn’t have a garden, but my mom would stop by a road side stand and purchase a large paper bag of green beans, ears of corns or whatever. Newspaper was placed on the table and the bag torn opened and we would prep the vegetables. When I purchased the house that I now live in to remodel, I didn’t want an island. I wanted a table that you could use for meals or meal prep. I am fortunate because the kitchen is big and that works.

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    Jay says:


    My Mom was the only person I ever met in my life, who could fill a one gallon bucket with wild strawberries.

    We canned and froze, made jams, ( Damson Plum Jam was my favorite), but by the time of the Hunger Moon, it was the cheap generic commercial cans, ( mixed vegtables taught me to hate Lima Beans), with what ever was left of the good stuff saved for special dinners, holidays and birthdays.

    Funny thing, we grow Lima beans, and I love them fresh cooked with the bitter skin popped off. We don’t can them.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @rikyrah: I thought it was assault weapons we wanted banned since they are useless for anything else besides mass murder not guns in general.

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    TenguPhule says:



    But its so delicious!

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    dmsilev says:

    @rikyrah: Aren’t we told that advocating gun ownership is OK for people running for the Democratic nomination?

    (Offer void for all individuals not named “Bernie Sanders”)

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    Ruckus says:

    Decades ago I used to know the driver for the CA attorney general. He once showed me the state car he drove. A Lincoln. Had a shotgun and small machine gun next to the front seat. He carried a pistol in a shoulder holster. In the trunk was more firepower and the radios. There were no markings and standard plates, not exempt ones.
    He told me that there were a lot of people who disliked anyone who was attorney general and couldn’t be counted upon not to attempt an attack at any time. That they received a lot of threats.

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    JPL says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Trump would have to go out and purchase several guns just to prove that he’s better.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh wow, that explains why Trump is on a freak out today.

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    debbie says:


    Bastard rains.

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    trollhattan says:

    Okay, that’s my laugh o’ the day so far!

    Friend taught his kid to speak Elvisese at the table, leading to a seven-year-old spending Thanksgiving dinner riffing, “Pass me thuh taters and gravy, mama. [points dramatically] Thankyaverrmuch!”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Root for injuries!

    Josh Dawsey @ jdawsey1
    Longtime National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre has told the group’s board he is being extorted and pressured to resign by the organization’s president, Oliver North, over allegations of financial improprieties, but that he is not going anywhere.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Well one thing Donny does read is polls. That left a scorch mark

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    MomSense says:


    All the houses of my youth had a kitchen table in the middle. Such happy memories.


    I know where all the wild strawberries and blueberries are – but they never make it home. We eat as we pick.

    We never had plums growing up but I have some dear friends who give me a jar of their homemade Damson plum jam every Christmas. It is sooooooo tasty.

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    Mandalay says:


    Kamala Harris owns a handgun. That’s disqualifying for a 2020 Democrat in my book.

    Not nearly as disqualifying as Biden’s ongoing refusal to show genuine regret about what he did to Anita Hill. That’s an anvil around his neck, and it’s not going away. His ongoing non-apology apologies aren’t cutting it, and he’ll surely have every female candidate going after him soon if he doesn’t address it quickly and properly.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Oh, shit yeah! Pistols at dawn or you’re yella, ya bastards.

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    germy says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I thought their armed society would be a civil society.

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    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I thought it was assault weapons we wanted banned since they are useless for anything else besides mass murder

    Nothing at all like handguns, which are useful for mass murder and surprise murder.

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    Ruckus says:

    Gee that was an easy call….

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    debbie says:


    I don’t think people realized it when our old asses were kids, but “clean your plate” is some seriously fucked up shit.

    I remember a few nights sitting alone at the table for hours after everyone else had finished their icky milk or liver. I outlasted my mother. Those were the very few times I was able to beat her.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: AR-15s. Ten paces apart, at dawn.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    No chit. What sub-sub-sub-basic cable channel is it on, anyway?

    And who’s fooled by hidden cameras in 2019?

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    trollhattan says:

    Can we make it five?

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    dmsilev says:


    I thought their armed society would be a civil society

    They meant civil-lawsuit society.

    Wonder whether the NRA has a mandatory-arbitration clause in its contracts with its executives. That’d be amusing.

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    J R in WV says:

    I think that back in the day fiddlehead ferns and ramps saved many a family from losing their teeth from scurvy. Lack of Vitamin C in the winter. Once you ran out of sauerkraut there were no vegges.

    Long ago early spring was the starving time, after you ran out of preserved foods from the fall harvest and before anything started to produce again in the late spring. There are no native ramps locally but what we have planted, because the subsistence farmers who used to live here dug all of them up.

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    MomSense says:

    @J R in WV:

    I still eat fiddleheads and dandelions.

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    ruemara says:

    @rikyrah: It is her right to own a licensed firearm she has the training for and in no way makes her less progressive. She was a DA and AG. If she’s not committing a crime, then I can’t even on thinking this is an issue.

    @MomSense: I’ve never eaten either but I do so want to try fiddlheads.

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    MomSense says:


    They’re delicious but you have to cook them thoroughly or they can make you very sick.

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    Jay says:

    @J R in WV:

    Rose hips. Lot’s of vitamin C, just don’t eat too many of them at once.

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    debbie says:


    Biden’s ongoing refusal to show genuine regret about what he did to Anita Hill

    I’m with you on this. If he doesn’t man up and make an actual apology, I don’t know what I’ll do if he wins the nomination.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @JPL: @rikyrah: The article is incredibly stupid. Harris says she owns a handgun because as a prosecutor who worked doing hours she was an obvious target for attacks.

    The progressive opinion is that guns aren’t toys, and you should only be able to get appropriate ones… and that you should have the sense to get one appropriate to the use you need it for.

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    J R in WV says:

    They actually have really big dandelion greens at Kroger’s most of the time. Haven’t tried them but will soon.

    Wilted lettuce salad, a hot bacon and vinegar dressing with slivered onions, torn spring greens, pour the hot dressing over the greens, stir. Wow, good with fresh bread, rolls, cornbread. I used ramps last time I made it. Yum.

    I don’t think our fern’s fiddleheads here locally are edible, no one talks about it anyway.

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    Sab says:

    @J R in WV: Just nibbled a ramp leaf from the back yard. Possibly a mistake. Kind of stuck in my throat, wafting garlic.

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    Jay says:


    Blueberries, blackberries, wild raspberries I can pick and bring home, but my Mom was the only person I ever met with the speed and self disipline to pick a bucket full of wild strawberries, and not just spend the day grazing.

    In late spring I used to have a couple of fishing spots with wild asparagus patches. I’d fill a cooler with asparagus, and keep a couple of presentation trout for dinners. The cooler of asparagus would arrive home almost empty.

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    J R in WV says:


    I’m with this. Anyone in law enforcement who isn’t prepared to defend themselves against criminals is too stupid for the job. This includes prosecutors of all sorts.

    If I was a Democratic office holder I would seek out training for self defense and carry a gun, too many crazed gun nut fascists out there. They want to kill us off, really they do.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: That’s idiotic. I hate the NRA with the white hot heat of 10k exploding supernovas and wish every gun on the planet would vanish in a puff of smoke. But that is by no means the mainstream Democratic position.

    Harris was a prosecutor, so she probably has a lot of criminals who hate her. She doesn’t have small children at home. As long as she stores the gun safely, who cares?

    ETA: I’m assuming it’s a regular gun, not something like an AR-15. I would have a problem with that.

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    NotMax says:

    @J R in WV

    Keep a weather eye on Kroger’s. And other shops.

    It’s a new technology being trotted out to retailers, where cameras try to guess your age, gender or mood as you walk by.…
    With store cameras, you may not even realize you are being watched unless you happen to notice the penny-sized lenses. And that has raised concerns over privacy.

    “The creepy factor here is definitely a 10 out of 10,” said Pam Dixon, the executive director of the World Privacy Forum, a non-profit that researches privacy issues.
    Kroger, which has 2,800 supermarkets, is testing cameras embedded in a price sign above shelves in two stores in the suburbs outside Cincinnati and Seattle. Video screens attached to the shelves can play ads and show discounts. Kroger said the cameras guess a shopper’s age and sex but the information is anonymous and the data is not being stored. If the tests work out well, the company said it could expand it into other locations.

    Walgreens, which has more than 8,000 drugstores, installed cooler doors with cameras and sensors at six locations in Chicago, New York, San Francisco and Bellevue, Washington. Instead of the usual clear glass doors that allow customers to see inside, there are video screens that display ads along with the cooler’s contents.

    Above the door handle is a camera that can try to guess ages and track irises to see where you are looking, but Walgreens said those functions are off for now. The company said the cameras are currently being used to sense when someone is in front of the cooler and count the number of shoppers passing by. It declined to say if it will turn on the other functions of the camera. Source

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    J R in WV says:


    Ramps are strong… if you don’t love garlic and green onions and red onions, you probably won’t like ramps. Some people only eat them cooked, fried with potatoes and bacon, or the wilted lettuce dressing.

    Cooking does calm them down some. I will use them when a recipe calls for raw onions or garlic, but I’m not everyone, either.

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    J R in WV says:


    I noticed some time ago that the lights in the big coolers and freezers come on when I walk down the aisle, which is good, no point in lighting up a cooler when there’s no one to look at it.

    But cameras to do any kind of facial recognition, even if it just trying to “guess” age and gender, that’s over a line somehow. I’ll be writing them about that. Will not go there, will wear a veil and a billed hat pulled down low, or shop elsewhere. Aldi’s is opening larger stores locally, and they’re pretty good cost wise.

    Veil could just be a big red bandanna! Now guess my age, Mofo!!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mandalay: I take it that you missed this from earlier today.

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    Jay says:

    “Decades ago, when I was an impecunious student, from time to time I would receive the dreaded letter from the bank warning me about the size of my overdraft. In those far off days there was actually a branch manager who knew you and, moreover, summoned you in person for a stern lecture on financial responsibility. In response, I would make suitably contrite noises in the hope of securing the manager’s indulgence until – another reminder of a long-vanished time – the arrival of my next grant cheque or housing benefit payment.

    The sensible response, having warded off disaster, would have been to mend my ways and become the model of financial rectitude my bank manager urged me to be. Instead, I would breathe a sigh of relief and resume my spendthrift ways until the next, inevitable, crisis.

    The British polity seems to be approaching the stay of execution on a no-deal Brexit in a similarly cavalier way.”


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    Jay says:



    Kurt Eichenwald
    1. Whenever I read something online regarding some person’s past actions, I refuse to take it at face value. I research, check original documents, if the statements are important. Which leads me to online criticisms of how @JoeBiden handled the Anita Hill hearings….”

    Well worth reading.

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    eemom says:


    We agree on something.

    This Biden bashing is bullshit.

    Also relevant: this from the generally insufferable Bill Maher, who hits it out of the ballpark. Broken clock, etc.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @debbie: @Jay: I was just coming here to post that same link. I read that tweet thread when rikyrah posted it this morning. Still thinking about it.

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    debbie says:


    I read it last night. I disagree. I am old enough to have watched the hearings. Uncle Joe is full of it. He was no better than any of the other old, white, grumpy men.

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    Brachiator says:


    Which leads me to online criticisms of how @JoeBiden handled the Anita Hill hearings….”

    Thanks very much for this. It certainly helps to correct the record.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    I still eat … dandelions.

    Please come visit my yard!

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    eemom says:

    As I’ve said before…..what’s that about republicans being a bunch of sheep bleating morons who parrot whatever they’re told with zero regard to the actual facts??

    Eichenwald is one of the few journalists worthy of the name. Same guy who meticulously deconstructed the ridiculous “Bernie could have beat trump” meme after the 2016 election, which persists today and threatens to fuck us all over like the political equivalent of antivaxx.

    Facts are our friends, people.

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    eemom says:


    How can you disagree with a fucking TRANSCRIPT?

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    Jay says:



    You may want to revisit the past and see if even in the time of #MeToo, your opinion remains.

    There have been 25 years of meme shaping and narrative creation since the days of the actual hearings.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @eemom: uh, aren’t you a lawyer?!

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    Sab says:

    She told me she was a proctologist.


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    debbie says:


    They treated her with great disrespect, like she was lying. Biden thinks that shouldn’t matter because he ended up voting against Thomas. Bullshit.


    I can disagree with anything I fucking want to.

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    eemom says:


    Yeah, like the earth being round. Knock yourself out.

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    debbie says:


    P.S. I don’t have to “revisit the past.” I remember it perfectly well. The Biden-led panel acted like a pack of pigs. Period.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Jay: Thanks.


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    Mandalay says:


    The Biden-led panel acted like a pack of pigs. Period.

    And that’s exactly why Biden supporters are insisting “Just read the transcripts!“, as though a few cherry picked quotes absolutely settle the matter in Biden’s favor, and no further discussion is required.

    That same misleading nonsense can be played with the Thomas hearings: “Ooh! Look at how scathing Uncle Joe was in the transcripts!“. But cherry picked quotes from the transcripts won’t show that Biden chose not to call several other women who were ready to testify against Thomas.

    Looking at what Biden said is all fine and dandy, but you also need to look at what he did and did not do.

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    eemom says:


    But cherry picked quotes from the transcripts won’t show that Biden chose not to call several other women who were ready to testify against Thomas.

    Proving that you didn’t read the thing at all.

    You really are no better than a fucking trumptard.

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    Cacti says:


    Speaking of moonbats.

    How’s the voting rights for incarcerated pedos campaign going? I heartily encourage Bernie to keep spreading the good word about this brilliant idea. ;-) ;-)

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    debbie says:


    What sealed that deal for me was that he could not bring himself to say he was sorry. He resorted to bullshit non-apologies just like a Republican would. Passive tense, my ass.

    I will vote for him if I have to, but I will not like it.

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    Cacti says:

    Bernie wonders how we can sleep at night, knowing that Dylann Roof doesn’t get to vote.

    Like a baby on 800 thread count sheets, old commie.

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    Sab says:

    @debbie: Best thing Obama ever did was nominate him VP and get him off Judiciary Committee, where he could put his half-hearted seal of approval on every creature they nominated.

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    Cacti says:

    The reason I could never vote for Bernie is that I vote for Democrats.

    I remember when the old coot rumbled about primarying Obama, then chickened out. I’m looking so forward to Obama’s VP kicking his ass in 2020. :-)

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    Mandalay says:


    I will vote for him if I have to, but I will not like it.

    Looking on the bright side, if Biden gets the nomination and the election is about who is the biggest fucking liar, Trump has serious competition:

    I asked President Obama not to endorse,” Biden told reporters on Thursday. “Whoever wins this nomination should win it on their own merits.”

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    Cacti says:


    Where is Susan Sarandon? Bernie doesn’t seem to have her around this time.

    Why not?

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    Lymie says:

    Our kiddo moved to school in a midwestern city. We sent her a care package of garlic, parmigiana, whole ginger, and pesto. With ideas about chicken or pasta. She was tickled by being able to make improvised meals.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Lymie: Bob Evans restaurants aren’t good enough for her? Boiled chicken breasts and steamed broccoli FTW!

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @TomatoQueen: I’ll try to get a shot tomorrow and either send to Alain (although I know he’s otherwise occupied with far more important matters) or see if I can remember how to log into my long-dormant Flickr account. It’s a lovely rose – it was my grandfather’s favorite, too, and I planted it in his memory.

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    Our nephew, in his fifties, a tough guy policeman of high rank, with many years undercover work, recently almost died of a classic widow maker heart attack. When he was a little kid, he and his sister spent a lot of time with our son, they were very close, often spending days at our house. They hated they we served up lots of vegetables, and always complained. So, being the sensitive kind of guy I am, my first Tweet to him after he regained consciousness in the hospital was to invite him to come visit so he could now eat his vegetables.

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