Thursday Morning Open Thread: #SheThePeople

Sounds like this was quite the EVENT!

Patrick Svitek, for the Texas Tribune:

Appearing at Texas Southern University, a historically black college, eight candidates made their pitches at a forum hosted by She the People, a national network of women of color. The three-hour event was one of the biggest gatherings of the Democratic primary candidates yet, let alone in Texas.

Taking questions from moderators and the audience, the candidates covered a range of issues that have already animated the primary — health care, criminal justice and voting rights — while sharpening their cases for how those issues impact women of color. The massive 2020 field is historically diverse, and most participants faced the same question at the end of their time onstage: Why should women of color choose you?…

For some candidates — particularly those who are neither women nor people of color — the forum at times appeared to be a humbling experience. The other hopeful from Texas, Beto O’Rourke, paused before answering why women of color should back him, acknowledging that their support is “not something that I’m owed, not something that I expect” but “something that I fully hope to earn by the work that I do on the campaign trail.” He cited a number of prominent black women in politics that he has learned from — including Houston U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a fellow Democrat who has a bill to study reparations that O’Rourke and several other candidates support…

Regardless, the day was a boon for Texas Democrats who increasingly view the state as a battleground. As he left the forum, state party Chairman Gilberto Hinojosa said the event — with its number of candidates and early timing in the primary — was unlike anything he has seen in his 35 years in Texas Democratic politics.

“One of the things that came out of this event today is a recognition — [one] that people who have been involved in politics have known about for a long time — that women of color deliver [a] large number of votes for the Democratic candidates in every election cycle,” Hinojosa said. “That number’s increasing significantly over the years. In the last election cycle, they delivered big time for Democratic candidates. They’re more energized, engaged and angry today than they’ve ever been before.”

Not surprisingly, one candidate started with an extra edge…



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… But I’m happy to hear that my personal favorite did us all proud, too!

Most of the other candidates worked hard to earn their time on stage, as well:

Side note:






145 replies
  1. 1
    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    Joy had clips last night while filling in for Chris Hayes. Warren seems to have killed it there.

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    BTW, the latest news from deplorableville.

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’ Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Blech.

    @Baud:

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’

    Blatant hypocrisy on the other hand….

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    Chyron HR says:

    Audible groans/boos. [Bernie] wags his finger at them.

    HA HA HA jesus christ, what an asshole.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Okay, that explains why Biden delayed his announcement until today. I wondered about that, thought maybe he was (wisely!) having second thoughts about the whole thing…

    @Baud: Yet Graham’s got nothing but praise for the degenerate demagogue in the White House. I saw a poll recently that found that for the first time in American history, people who identify their religion as “none” outnumber evangelicals and also outnumber Catholics. I don’t suppose it’ll ever occur to the flaming hypocrites and pedophile protectors who lead those organizations in the US that their own actions are responsible for the incipient collapse of Christianity in America. Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

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    Baud says:

    I wonder who they talked about/laughed at?

    Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un meet in Russia’s Far East for first summit

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I feel bad for good Christians. But they lost their religion in the 80s to Reaganism.

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    Keith P. says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Like giving a million dollar loan to a young pool boy

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    Baud says:

    Even mainstream media noticed.

    Sanders gets tough reception at minority women’s event, signaling challenges ahead

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    geg6 says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t, mostly. They could have taken their own to task. They chose not to do that. A few have (like my own cousin, a same sex-married retired Methodist minister) but they, unfortunately, are modern martyrs who were pushed into irrelevance by the hypocrites and grifters.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Makes me almost wish I believed in a literal burning hell where they could roast for all eternity.

    The downside of being an atheist.

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    Baud says:

    I’ll hand it to the Franklin Graham’s of the world and their followers, though. They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

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    geg6 says:

    @Chyron HR:

    My own exact reaction.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Baud: Me too. I know many liberal Christians who are astoundingly kind, amazingly generous and incredibly committed to justice, and I believe them when they tell me their faith is what inspires them. (Though I suspect they’d still be wonderful people if they lost that faith.) They want to wrest their faith away from the crooks and charlatans who co-opted it. I wish them luck, but maybe it’s too late for that. As horrid as the Moral Majority nonsense was in the 80s, the present idolatry around the Orange Pig is even more repulsive.

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    Baud says:

    The Harris campaign says of 19 senior staffers hired so far, 13 are women, and 11 of those are women of color. The campaign says they’re key decision makers, who will reflect the concerns of a vital demographic of voters as well as reaching out to them.

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/kamala-harris-women-of-color/index.html

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    gene108 says:

    @Keith P.:

    Was that Franklin Graham or Jerry Falwell, Jr.?

    They all sound so much alike, it is hard to tell them apart.

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    Baud says:

    NYT headline (not linking)

    Mueller Report Reveals Trump’s Fixation on Targeting Hillary Clinton

    You know who else had a fixation on targeting Hillary Clinton?

    ETA: Hint: Think garbage.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @geg6:

    They could have taken their own to task.

    Some have, and continue to. My wife’s hair dresser is a Christian minister, has a small Crawford Co congregation. When a gay couple started attending his services, a # of his other congregants complained. He said something along the lines of, “If you don’t like it, there are other churches to attend.”

    But we don’t hear about these people because they aren’t talking to prominent GOPs.

    ETA and DEMs generally don’t wear their religious bonafides like a lapel pin.

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    Raven says:

    No Biden freak out?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud:

    They are focused on what they want and they don’t get distracted.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    Barbara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: My husband’s church left their denominational organization and told them why, but the reality is they sincerely are not motivated by politics and don’t want to define themselves solely in opposition to those Christians whose religious experience revolves around politics.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There are millions of good individual and small group Christians. But they’ve never organized themselves nationally to take back their religion.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Don’t downplay their desire to hate us also.

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    satby says:

    @Chyron HR: @geg6: because first, last, and always he is an asshole.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven: Wait for it…

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Baud: I consciously didn’t link to that article, for reasons; Dave Weigel has been faaar too Bernie-sympathetic for the last several years, but praise Murphy he’s not besotted enough that he can’t see how well this cycle’s primary voters are *not* feeling the Bern…

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    Immanentize says:

    Good Morning All!

    Beautiful sunny day here near Boston. It’s going to get into the ’60s. I wish I could stay he and garden. Sadly, students demand pre-exam comforts.

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    JR says:

    Bernie looks old

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Raven: The dice have been thrown, the bridge has been crossed, now we wait.

    Hell, if he surprises me by leading the way, you know you can demand an apology!

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    satby says:

    @Raven: it is what it is. I’m just waiting for primaries to start sorting it all out. The rest is just wasted breath and pixels.

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    Immanentize says:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    Or more politely, “what have you done besides attend events in the last 55 years?”

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    Immanentize says:

    @satby: I’m at this point too. Things will now start sorting.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    How long do you think it will be until Trump tweets poutingly?

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    debbie says:

    @Raven:

    More like an epic OH blech. The answer to Trump is not the same old, same old.

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    Raven says:

    @satby: yea well that never happens here!

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    Baud says:

    @JR:

    Bernie is old.

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    Raven says:

    I liked his intro vid.

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    Baud says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    Vox is the same way when it comes to Bernie. It’s irritating.

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    Baud says:

    @Raven: Linky?

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize:

    Things will now start sorting.

    The Hogwarts sorting hat would be freaking useful right now.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Baud:

    Joe Biden makes it official: “The core values of this nation, our standing in the world, everything that has made America America is at stake. That’s why today, I’m announcing my candidacy for President of the United States.” Full ad: bit.ly/2W7gyrQ

    Again I am agnostic in Biden but it did piss me off with some of the more obvious “creepy Joe” hit jobs from Bernie faction. Even with Harris being my candidate, I’d be much happier voting for Joe Biden than Bernie in general. and even working to make sure he wins.

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WWILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: If it didn’t pay so well they’d drop it like a hot rock, but yes they do get high on hate.

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    Raven says:

    @debbie: that’s one perspective

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Bernie is definitely a Slitherin.

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    Baud says:

    @Raven:

    Danka. Agree that it’s very good.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Immanentize:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    It’s also pretty god damn dishonest and insulting to describe being on the Mall with hundreds of thousands of other people as having “marched.” But yeah, the experience moved him so much he white flighted his ass from Brooklyn to Vermont and didn’t hire any black staffers until 2015.

    At least he didn’t literally run on segregation like Biden.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: and the press only pays attention to the RW a-hole “:xtians”

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    debbie says:

    @Raven:

    I never implied otherwise.

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    debbie says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Also, Anita Hill.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    I feel the same. I prefer many of the other candidates to Biden, but Biden over Bernie. Fact is there’s a decent chance Biden ends up the nominee and may even be our best chance of beating Trump. So I don’t really want to trash him too much, although plenty of other people will.

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    MomSense says:

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have what it takes to win the nomination and to be meet the demands of being the president. The question is really whether or not we are willing to work hard enough to get every decent person out to vote for them. There are more of us but we are not consistent.

    It does make me happy that Sanders and Gabbard didn’t do well with an audience that expected substance.

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    Baud says:

    On Today this morning, people are falling to their deaths at the Grand Canyon taking selfies.

    People are nuts.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    The more exposure the candidates have, the more it becomes apparent that Harris and Warren are the ones who have

    I agree. I think they’re the strongest. But Biden comes in as the front runner so we’ll see how that goes. Warren has a big problem the others don’t have- she has to beat Bernie in NH or she’s out.

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    rikyrah says:

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    Dear Democrats,

    Can you please stay the fuck off Fox “Obama Birther” News?

    Everytime a black child is killed by police they justify it.

    It’s the home of White Nationalism.

    Who exactly are you reaching out to on a station that denigrates the idea that “Black Lives Matter”? https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121129538455392261?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    I mean, if the racist vote is that important to you, go ahead.

    But while you pander for their votes I will be looking to see if you mention us at all.

    We’re not going to go hide quietly in the Kitchen, and stop pushing our agenda so you can peel off some MAGAs. https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121130348576821248?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Bianca Delarosa disobeys Trump’s orders (@Bravewriting) Tweeted:
    Because I’ve seen arguments that Fox News viewers are victims and they’re being hurt too just like the Germans were also victims of the Nazis…

    They WERE the NAZIS!

    I’m a black woman, I have black children, and a black husband.

    Never tell me to sympathize with MAGAFUCKS. https://twitter.com/Bravewriting/status/1121155046815588352?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh 😒

    🌊⚘Linda❄🥂 #Resistance ! (@LindaResister) Tweeted:
    And it starts! School staffer fired after gun ‘accidentally’ discharges and injures student: report https://t.co/VyJxHiv2Fj https://twitter.com/LindaResister/status/1121225233711673347?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    NowThis (@nowthisnews) Tweeted:
    ‘This is your Nuremberg moment, your chance to stand on the right side of history.’ — Amal Clooney called out the Trump administration by name for undermining the effort to help women raped during war https://t.co/DeVLxCxFqK https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1121070793234862081?s=17

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    RoonieRoo says:

    I find I am not really thrilled to have Biden in the race. He took to long to announce and as the others get a nice momentum going, I just feel meh that he jumped in.

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    plato says:

    Typical rupert’s ineptness.

    One of Australia’s most popular tabloids has blamed a printing error after pages from a rival newspaper appeared in its Thursday edition.

    The Sydney-based Daily Telegraph, a right-leaning tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch, accidentally printed two pages of the liberal Sydney Morning Herald.

    The pages include a letter calling for action to tackle climate change.

    The Telegraph has apologised for the mistake and said it happened during the production process.

    “Both papers share the same printing facility in Sydney’s west,” it said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We apologise for any confusion this has caused.”

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    rikyrah says:

    Lis Power (@LisPower1) Tweeted:
    Fox host accidentally admits that Russian interference cost Democrats the election. (I really hope Trump was watching.)

    FRANCIS: Democrats “care about Russia now because it cost them an election.” https://t.co/lfm6nVBdf1 https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1121085309180174337?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Agree. Her run is about the future of progressives as much as it is about anything else.

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    rikyrah says:

    Hmmmm😒😒

    Raw Story (@RawStory) Tweeted:
    Meghan McCain’s father-in-law and five other Trump appointees facing investigations over ethics violations https://t.co/1SFkzDg7S4 https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1120761657750376448?s=17

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    James E Powell says:

    @Kay:

    I think Warren has to be top two in Iowa.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    Great interview in the New Yorker with Julián Castro — CF: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/the-democratic-presidential-candidate-eager-to-challenge-trump-on-immigration

    Castro is only 8,524 donors from reaching the Democratic debates this June. I’ve donated a small amount to have his voice on stage — this interview confirms that he has important things to say.

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: If Joe is the nominee and picks Kamala as his VP, then I’m all in.

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    johnnybuck says:

    @Baud: The thing about Joe is, I’m more than comfortable voting for him, as i expect a lot of democrats are, but that doesn’t preclude me from supporting someone else in primaries, We have a hell of a field, with notable exceptions, and Biden to me at least represents a pretty strong 2nd or 3rd option.

    talk about a deep bench!

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    Kay says:

    @James E Powell:

    I admit, I love how feisty she is. I think she’s fully aware of how hard it will be. I just love people like that – her kind of cheerful barging ahead despite the fact that they all wrote her off after the career-killing DNA gaffe :)

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I agree with what I think you mean; but at Hogwarts, the House that the Hat chooses for you is not your destiny.

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    johnnybuck says:

    @JPL: seconded

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    I saw yesterday that only 9% of NH primary voters are decided and only 14% are leaning to one particular candidate. That state is wide open which I find really interesting. That may be as news for Warren but it’s also really bad news for Sanders. I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    Wilmer did perform poorly yesterday, but let’s give him a break. We all know how uncomfortable he gets when he’s around POC.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    It is heartening to see Wilmer’s shallowness exposed in a forum like this. And the substance that other, better candidates offer getting an airing.

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    rikyrah says:

    Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) Tweeted:
    If a private group of racist people take a bunch of brown people and put them in cages and don’t let them leave they aren’t detaining them, that’s called kidnapping. https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1121135537342111749?s=17

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    The story she told about her mama putting on her dress – that had me in tears. I was genuinely moved by her story.

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I can’t imagine he will look good on a debate stage with the rest of the field.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I’ve you’ve seen or read Harry Potter and The Cursed Child, you’ll know what House the Hat picks for Albus Potter.

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    rikyrah says:

    👏👏👏👏

    Denizcan James (@MrFilmkritik) Tweeted:
    Everyone who called Paul Ryan a “policy wonk” for the last ten years needs to take a look at Elizabeth Warren and then apologize publicly. https://twitter.com/MrFilmkritik/status/1121122185412845570?s=17

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    Oh, that’s good that they’re undecided. This is my view from reading Bernie campaign Twitter, not his followers on Twitter but his paid campaign people- I think they know they have to be stronger with Democrats. If Bernie were as strong as he says he is I don’t think people who backed him in ’16 would be looking around so much. My middle son was a Bernista in ’16 in the OH primary but voted for Clinton in the general. He’s backing Bernie, but he’s not very attentive – he votes and he’s young so in that group he’s in the “most attentive” category, but I don’t think he even knows who Warren or Harris are. He has a “political” gf now- she canvasses and things- and she’s a mainstream D so he’ll probably end up backing who she backs. She got him out to canvass for Sherrod, which is amazing. He’s quiet. For him to seek out strangers to talk to is something.

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    rikyrah says:

    Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) Tweeted:
    What I find so inspiring about Elizabeth Warren is that while so many clamor for attention with vague talking points, she rolls up her sleeves and says, “Guys, I have a PLAN.”

    And that’s the country I want to live in: one in which a brilliant person with a plan gets to lead. https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1121152389203935232?s=17

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Baud:
    I wonder how the Wilmeristas will respond to his unimpressive showing at this forum.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Promising to throw the election if we don’t vote for Bernie (again).

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think they only have one response to everything.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay:
    One of the real positives about Biden running is that Liz Warren doesn’t look so old now. And as you say, she has the fiestiness of youth and purpose.

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    Immanentize says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I’m not sure Sanders is a Slytherin. But Gabbard certainly is.

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    Baud says:

    Thank God that warmonger Hillary isn’t president.

    Report: US-led coalition killed 1,600 civilians in Raqqa in 2017

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/amnesty-international-report-raqqa/index.html

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    @Baud:

    Thank God that warmonger Hillary isn’t president.

    Dodged a bullet there…

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: Have not seen nor read it. Didn’t even know of it. The latest anything is slow to reach the backwoods of Misery, even the news of a things existence comes late to the hills and hollers. (we finally got this thing called the “internal combustion engine” about a decade ago) I hear tell you fancy pantsed city folk even have portable phones. What will they think of next? ;-)

    I’ll have to keep an eye out for it as I am thoroughly entertained by anything JK Rowling puts her hands to. .

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    Immanentize says:

    @Amir Khalid: They will of course declare his presentation the best one at the conference because he speaks truth to power!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: “The forum was rigged by the DNC!”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Immanentize:
    One thing I’ll give Wilmer credit for: he too makes Warren seem a much younger person by comparison.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Immanentize: He might be a Hufflepuff, in that “he’ll huff, and he’ll puff, until he blows the DNC house down!”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    It’s a play written from a story by Rowling. You should be able to find the script in your local/online bookstore. I recommend it.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The audience was full of Democrats, which is unfair to the candidate that hates Democrats.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    I have to admit that I don’t see Elizabeth Warren as old. I think that is due to a number of factors:

    1) I’m an “old” now
    2) she is relatively new to the political stage, and
    3) most importantly, she looks and acts a hell of a lot younger than I feel even if she’s got 9 years on me.

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    rikyrah says:

    Max Boot (@MaxBoot) Tweeted:
    Watch a once-respected former Republican Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, pushing a conspiracy theory–based on no evidence and at odds with Mueller report–about how the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign started. The GOP is following Trump into cloud cuckoo-land. https://t.co/IZBSFgZm8m https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1121043181053702144?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) Tweeted:
    One other point worth mentioning: The Mueller report explicitly rejected the argument that Trump had the “legal right” to interfere in the investigation in any way he pleased.

    In fact, it concluded presidents *can* break obstruction statutes if they interfere w/ corrupt intent. https://t.co/SkEo5J7ZZa https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1121385258992246784?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Michael S. Schmidt (@nytmike) Tweeted:
    Trump wanted to fulfill campaign promise to “Lock Her Up.” Tried 3xs to pressure Sessions into prosecuting Clinton. Episodes are unique because they show Trump going on offensive to target a rival. No president since Nixon is known to have attempted this.
    https://t.co/QFAYlYfj2a https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1121156998890958849?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    When I’m president, you best believe I’m targeting Trump.

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    Percysowner says:

    @geg6: Former Unitarian here! A huge part of the problem is good Christians who didn’t follow the Republican path don’t get talked about in the media, unless they are voting against having gays in the clergy. The liberal Christian wing doesn’t exist as far as the media is concerned, only the fundamentalist evangelicals count as Christian. They also have to be white, since there isn’t a lot of coverage of African-American congregations either.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Baud: just like several protestant denominations split over slavery before the Civil War*, several now have or may soon split over SameSex marriage–Episcopalian, a Presbyterian denomination, and most recently Unitled Methodists.

    *Baptists, and IIRC Methodists and Presbyterians. The Baptists were the only one that didn’t reunite. SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

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    Percysowner says:

    @RoonieRoo: I’m not thrilled about Biden either, but at least the media will have a harder time spinning the “white centrist men had no chance” theme. Ryan, Moulton and now Biden have that part more than covered. Biden coming in probably puts a bit of a kibosh on Ryan and Moulton which is good in my book.

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    Leto says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Amir Khalid: @Immanentize: I think we’re all missing the better analogy for Wilmer. He’s a muggle. He’s a muggle who’s trying to take over Dumbledore’s job (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child), even though he doesn’t possess any magic of his own. The Sorting Hat would hit his head and announce, “MUGGLE! Why is he here?!?!” He’s not even a squib. He’s just a straight up muggle.

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    Baud says:

    @Leto:

    Bad analogy. Hermione was a muggle too.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Bobby Thomson: Did Bernie really just totally ignore the black woman VT state legislator who was forced to quit due to the racist threats against her?!

    If so, that pretty clearly shows how much he cares about blacks and women.

    Or maybe he ignored her plight because she’s a oh so evil democrat//

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Leto: @Baud: I got it!!! He’s Scabbers, Ron’s rat.

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    Princess says:

    @Kay: My son and all his friends were all-in for Bernie in 2016. He still likes Bernie and dislikes Hillary (whom he voted for in the general) but he has no intention of voting for Bernie this time. Right now he likes Buttigeig because of the way his biography exposes GOP hypocrisy. He doesn’t like Harris whom he sees as a hawk (??? whatever). He’s got one friend working for Bernie and another working for Warren (paid staffers). He says he thinks there is no way Bernie can win. “If people like me aren’t going to vote for him, who will?” So that’s my anecdote.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    SBC only in recent yrs acknowledged they organized to support slavery and then made a mild public apology.

    They apologized for slavery but have yet to apologize for supporting Jim Crow for nearly a century after slavery was abolished, let alone apologize for their current support for taxpayer funded private schools which is nothing more than stealth resegregation.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Amir Khalid: ‘It was RIGGED!!’

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Baud:
    Hermione’s muggle-born but she’s definitely magical.

    @Leto:

    (I forget who’s headmaster during Cursed Child)

    Minerva McGonagall.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    We have a winner!

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    tobie says:

    @Immanentize: I don’t think Warren comes off as old at all. Quite the contrary. I think the real question will be to what degree the party wants to be defined by populism. If that’s the direction primary voters want to go in, she will be the candidate. It will be painful for me because I find populism fundamentally anti-democratic and toxic, but I’m just one vote. I found this op ed by Larry Summers on how much revenue a wealth tax will generate interesting. Warren’s entire policy agenda rests on the assumption that a wealth tax will raise $200 billion a year. Take that away and the entire house of cards falls apart. Once upon a time Warren talked about the social contract in moving terms. Now I feel like she sets up strawmen all the time. (See yesterday’s line: “There’s only one thing hospitals care about: money.”)

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Percysowner: Before his death the elder Falwell was the only one ever appearing on TV to present the ‘Christian’ viewpoint.

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    Leto says:

    @Baud: No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    @OzarkHillbilly: Funny, but still implies magic. ;)

    @Amir Khalid: Ty good sir!

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    HinTN says:

    @Baud:

    People are nuts.

    You are just now realizing this?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Leto:
    Voldemort is actually a Half-Blood, son of a Muggle father and a Pureblood mother. This has a lot to do with his hatred of Muggles.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Immanentize: Sanders is a squib (Filch, not Mrs. Figg)

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    James E Powell says:

    @MomSense:

    I think Dems are spooked after 2016. We are trying to figure out who can beat trump and that seems to me to be trying to solve the wrong riddle.

    Agreed on both points. I think the right riddle is figuring out which candidate can appeal to and animate every component of our coalition without pissing off any of them.

    That last part is the main reason I don’t see Sanders going far. Too many people are still angry with him for 2016 – and no, this is not re-litigating because he has never so much as acknowledged those people or done anything to heal the wound. Either he is unaware or he doesn’t think it matters.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Leto: He pretended to be a friend to the Weasley’s but in reality was Voldemort’s faithful servant. Yes, he has magic, but it’s very limited and not in service to good.

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    Eolirin says:

    @tobie: Honestly, I wouldn’t get too hung up on policy specifics. Warren understands how the legislature works, there’s no way she believes her policy proposals would pass as is. She’s setting up her starting positions in the negotiating process, and she’s correctly avoiding one of the few weaknesses that Obama exhibited of negotiating herself down.

    There are plenty of ways to raise money to pay for good things. The final dollar amount of good things we get and the way we finance them aren’t up to the president anyway. Staking out the positions and getting people behind the broad ideas is necessary to push things forward though, and she’s doing that effectively, and without the kind of mindless sloganing or assumptions of unrealistic growth that makes it very easy to dismiss a policy idea. She’s laying out the trade off correctly even if the specifics of how it’s achieved end up looking different and we only get half way to the outcomes she’d like; taxes on wealthy people have to go up.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I wonder how the Wilmeristas will respond to his unimpressive showing at this forum.

    They will claim it was rigged because men weren’t in charge of it.

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    Eolirin says:

    @James E Powell: Eh. My bet is on them ignoring that the event even happened and immediately changing the subject or deflecting of it comes up.

    Just like they do with regard to the now proven Russian support in 2016.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @James E Powell:

    Either he is unaware or he doesn’t think it matters.

    He is not unaware of it. His narrative is that he was the injured party in 2016.

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    tobie says:

    @Eolirin: I agree that funding mechanisms and the like will be hammered out in time, but I don’t think they’re irrelevant, and insofar as Warren’s whole appeal is that she’s the policy expert, it’s fair to ask whether her policies are sound. For many her posts on Medium, especially the last one on free college and debt forgiveness, are game changers. I guess they are for me too but not in a good way. I think they’re sloppy because she’s trying to tackle everything at once–so free in-state tuition at public universities and relief for loans for tuition at public or private university all get treated in one fell swoop even though they’re different problems that need to be addressed in different ways. Same goes for her ag policy, in which she jumps from the problem of seed and fertilizer monopolies to contract farming for animal feed without acknowledging that they are different issues. HRC was a policy whiz. Warren is not. Her legislative record in the Senate is as bad as Bernie’s. The one thing she deserves credit for is the founding of the CFPB, although her big push for readable credit card statements has not been worth a hill of beans as far as I can tell.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Baud:

    ‘Not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized:’ Franklin Graham blasts Buttigieg for being gay

    Funny. That’s how Jesus felt about religion:

    1. Matthew 6:6 – But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you.

    2. Matthew 22:21 – Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and render unto God the things which are God’s.

    It’s almost like Graham never even read a bible.

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    JGabriel says:

    Screwed up the formatting. The quote box above should enclose both quotes from the bible.

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    gwangung says:

    @Immanentize:

    Whenever Bernie says, “I marched with MLK,” most people I know hear, “And haven’t done shit since.”

    Kiah Morris says, “Amen.”

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    JGabriel says:

    @Leto:

    No she was a “Mud Blood” (horrible insult). She was a magic user child from two non-magic user parents. “Pure bloods” hated people like her (Malfoy/Voldemort/etc…).

    Racist purebloods hated Hermione. Ron, who was also a pureblood, obviously didn’t give fuck who was a pureblood and who wasn’t – because he wasn’t a racist.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Baud:

    I’m biased, but Bernie looked awful to me. Extra shouty and all talking points.

    Yes, he did. Plus never responded to questions put that were the least bit not about his “economic plans”, talked about fixing the economy when asked about racism and violence. Sad old con man act.

    Eta fics speling.

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    gwangung says:

    @Amir Khalid: They were whining about his “disrespectful” treatment on Twitter this morning.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Kay: Agreed. IMO Warren has come waaaaay closer to fulfilling the 4 conditions required for fundamental reform in this country:

    1. Identify the problem.
    2. Set forth the solution.
    3. Show how to fund the solution.
    4. Define the supporting legislation to ensure that plutocrats & vested interests don’t co-opt the funding & turn it back on the people least able to pay while they scoot off scot-free.

    So far most of SPW’s proposals are well into point 3. The problem is that Point 4 is not just the hardest slog but (IMO) the most critical: People by & large are suspicious of broad policy initiatives, no matter how well-intentioned, because in their experience the funding in the end always comes out of their pockets – the plutocrats will always be able to suborn enough politicians (via bribes, grift &/or blackmail) to ensure that they won’t even get their hair mussed.**

    If we Democrats can offer the voters cogent programs for improving their lives with solid provisions that the costs won’t be taken out of their hides, we can win. Warren is laying the foundation; our eventual nominee (& all Americans) will reap the benefit.

    ** NB the political need to cater to Big Health Insurance & Big Pharma is IMO a key reason for the creaky, clunky design of the ACA. If Obama had proposed anything that would break their collective rice bowl, they’d have closed ranks with the Thugs & fought him tooth & nail – the way the business community fought & beat HRC over the same issue in 1993.

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    gwangung says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Yes, he did. Kiah Morris.

    And that’s a concrete example of his “allyship” to POCs.

    He HAD to address it, but he didn’t. He left her hanging (like a lot of white politicians would). People notice.

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    Leto says:

    @Amir Khalid: All you’re telling me is that I need to go back and re-read the series because I’ve forgotten things ;)

    @OzarkHillbilly: True. The point I was trying to make (poorly, I guess) is that Wilmer isn’t a Dem, much like muggles aren’t wizards. He isn’t Peter Pettigrew (Scabbers) because Pete was a wizard. Sanders is either a muggle or a squib (we can debate that). I don’t know squat about Wilmers parents so I’m going to label him a muggle. He tried to be a magic user briefly in 2016, then promptly reverted back to muggle status.

    Regardless, I like the Harry Potter discussion we’re have here :)

    @JGabriel: Exactly, and my bad for not explicitly saying racist. Thought I captured it in “pure blood” (quotation marks) but better to label it straight up: racist wizards.

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    JaneE says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Back in the 50’s our church lost about a third of the membership because our denomination came out in favor of integration and our minister worked with a black church to integrate our services, at least symbolically. The thought of sitting next to a black family was too much for them, and one of them had been a respected deacon for years. Same problem now, just different bigotry.

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    pat says:

    @lamh36:

    Hate to admit it but Bernie may get my vote in a general but he WILL NOT get my volunteer time or even donation

    Same here. I walked and knocked on doors for Obama and Hillary. I will not do it for Bernie.

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    Ruckus says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Upside is that you are not disappointed when they don’t burn in imaginary purgatory, if you don’t expect it in the first place.

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    Ruckus says:

    @JR:
    He is old. He looks his age. Fucking OLD.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @gwangung: he did disrespect the hell out of the forum by failing to prepare.

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    BCHS Class of 1980 says:

    @Immanentize: And then he mentioned supporting the Rev. Jesse Jackson, which is a time jump from the early ‘60s to the late ‘80s. OK, that takes it m to 30 years ago instead of 55, but how about now?

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