I am shocked that gambling goes on here

Whose heart is having palpitations?

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138 replies
  1. 1

    Twitter is denying this, but of course they would.

  2. 2
    Baud says:

    Twitter doesn’t seem to understand that black people are the real racists.

  3. 3
    rikyrah says:

    DCPetterson (@dcpetterson) Tweeted:
    Holy shit. The US Attorney General is trying to get a confessed and convicted felon sent back to Russia to prevent her from telling Congress what she knows about the Russian attack on democracy and the Americans she influenced to help them.

    Barr is a traitor. https://t.co/rTX2ONuFOm https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1121452895105368064?s=17

  4. 4

    They would have to ban the man in the WH, amirite? He has been a boon to their profit margins. So they will never do it.

  5. 5
    NotMax says:

    “Some of them are fine people.” // // // // //

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    Aleta says:

    Mike Valerio @MikevWUSA

    CLARITY FROM MD US ATTORNEY
    – Judge ruled Lt Hasson’s charges are NOT suitable for detention.
    – He threatened to kill CNN & MSNBC anchors & SCOTUS JUSTICES
    – IF defense can come up w conditions suitable for release, Hasson is out of jail
    – THAT HASNT HAPPENED YET

    – SO now, Hasson has another detention hearing, where defense lawyer will lay out conditions for release
    – If the judge says release conditions are suitable, he’s released.
    – If not, he stays in jail
    – STILL judge says charges don’t warrant jail

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Following the links, it looks like they asked for deportation after she serves her sentence (which might be no jail time). I’m not sure if that involves Barr’s doing. The House should subpoena her if they want to hear from her.

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    rikyrah says:

    justin jouvenal (@jjouvenal) Tweeted:
    BREAKING: Federal judge agrees to release Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Hasson, who was accused of plotting terror attack by federal prosecutors. Judge says govt. has not charged him with terrorism and murder and doesn’t plan to, so no grounds to hold. https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status/1121492961089544193?s=17

  9. 9
    randy khan says:

    That seems like a feature, not a bug, at least as to the white supremacists.

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    @rikyrah: I agree, he also has no shame, which makes him a perfect T minion.

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    TenguPhule says:

    an employee asked: Twitter has eradicated ISIS. Why can’t it do the same for white supremacists?

    One answer that is discussed internally, we found: because it would mean banning some Republican politicians too

    I fail to see a problem here.

  12. 12
    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    Twitter doesn’t seem to understand that black people are the real racists.

    All lights matter.

  13. 13
    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah:

    The US Attorney General is trying to get a confessed and convicted felon sent back to Russia to prevent her from telling Congress what she knows about the Russian attack on democracy and the Americans she influenced to help them. Barr is a traitor.

    Somebody make this bad Tom Clancy Novel stop.

  14. 14
    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    I have loathed that asshole for decades. Sometimes I really wish I believed in a fiery hell.

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    NotMax says:

    Need it be pointed out that having a Twitter account is not a right?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Aleta:

    – Judge ruled Lt Hasson’s charges are NOT suitable for detention.
    – He threatened to kill CNN & MSNBC anchors & SCOTUS JUSTICES
    – IF defense can come up w conditions suitable for release, Hasson is out of jail
    – THAT HASNT HAPPENED YET

    – SO now, Hasson has another detention hearing, where defense lawyer will lay out conditions for release
    – If the judge says release conditions are suitable, he’s released.
    – If not, he stays in jail
    – STILL judge says charges don’t warrant jail

    I’m sure the judge has only the best of intentions here. //s

  17. 17
    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    WTAF.

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    Brachiator says:

    One answer that is discussed internally, we found: because it would mean banning some Republican politicians too

    I will try to hunt down the story again (and others may know this and provide links, etc), but I recall reading a story about how racist chatter increased greatly after Obama’s election and conservative politicians and media (looking at you Fox News) quickly and vociferously opposed law enforcement investigations, claiming that a lot of this was just “partriots” expressing their sentiments and preferences.

    Social media just gave this garbage another platform. And unfortunately, it ain’t easy to separate the vile from the merely repugnant. And claims to free speech is often the first refuge of scoundrels.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    Need it be pointed out that having a Twitter account is not a right?

    According to Trump, it’s a duty he is forced to bare.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah:

    Judge says govt. has not charged him with terrorism and murder and doesn’t plan to,

    So anything less then actually killing his targets is not a reason to jail him before trial?

    I submit to everyone we are no longer living in a Constitutional Republic.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    The House should subpoena her if they want to hear from her.

    if the IC lets her leave US soil without detaining her, I’m not sure what purpose they still serve at this point.

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    Aleta says:

    Another shocker:

    Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand
    Defense Department’s inspector general has cleared Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan of alleged ethical violations.

    Department of Defense IOG Report of Investigation(PDF)

    On February 7, 2019, a Senate Committee on Armed Services attorney forwarded an anonymous allegation to the DoD OIG that asserted Mr. Shanahan violated ethics rules by promoting Boeing. For example, the allegation stated that Mr. Shanahan tried to force the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Robert Neller, to buy Boeing F/A-18s, and threatened to cut other Air Force programs unless the Air Force Chief of Staff, General David Goldfein, supported buying Boeing F-15Xs.2

    On February 14, 2019, Senator Elizabeth Warren’s staff forwarded three additional allegations to the DoD OIG that asserted Mr. Shanahan pressured the Military Services to purchase Boeing aircraft.

    Several newspaper articles reported similar allegations.

    On March 13, 2019, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) sent a letter to the DoD OIG … asking the DoD OIG to investigate the allegations. The CREW letter alleged that Mr. Shanahan “made numerous statements promoting his former employer Boeing and has disparaged the company’s competitors before subordinates.”

    We did not substantiate any of the allegations. We determined that Mr. Shanahan fully complied with his ethics agreements and his ethical obligations regarding Boeing and its competitors.

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    NotMax says:

    FYI.

    A controversial bill that has received national attention over criticism that it would criminalize voter registration efforts was approved in the state Senate on Thursday.

    The legislation would require groups leading voter registration drives to undergo training and potentially face fines for submitting too many incomplete forms.

    The chamber approved the controversial measure with a 25-6 vote.

    If the bill is enacted, Tennessee would become the first state to threaten voter registration efforts with civil penalties for incomplete forms.
    [snip]
    Sen. Steve Dickerson, R-Nashville, who in 2017 launched an initiative with U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Nashville, to increase voter registration, and several other senators unsuccessfully introduced amendments to alter the bill.

    Dickerson was the lone Republican to vote against the measure. Source

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    prob50 says:

    Some of them are fine people.

    And you can tell ’cause they wear white hoods The Good Guys always wear white hats.

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    Leto says:

    @Aleta: Yes, because the Air Force routinely purchases just 8 airplanes of a model it’s actively trying to replace (AF plans to acquire 8 F-15X planes. We’re actively phasing out F-15s). The AF doesn’t want them, regardless of what kind of stopgap they might be.

    Wtf do I know. I’m just an NCO flapping his gums on a top 10k blog. /headdesk

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: Baud. That is their business model.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Racists get a Twitter pass
    White terrorists get bail
    Barr is a traitor

    BUT

    Anita Hill just kicked Biden right in the JUNK. So day = SAVED!

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    Baud says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    Your sense of cosmic balance is . . . troubling.

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    prob50 says:

    – Judge ruled Lt Hasson’s charges are NOT suitable for detention.
    – He threatened to kill CNN & MSNBC anchors & SCOTUS JUSTICES

    Just move along. Nothing to see here. Just another energized Patriot.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Brachiator: search White supremacist, terrorist and Janet Napolitano

  31. 31
    debbie says:

    Good on Anita Hill for not going away quietly.

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    Jeffro says:

    @TenguPhule:

    So anything less then actually killing his Democratic targets is not a reason to jail him before trial?

    Fixed that for ya.

    Naturally the standards for threatening Republican targets are different, you just haven’t heard about those because they hardly. ever. happen.

    “All the violence is on the Left” – every RWNJ, ever

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    Leto says:

    @Immanentize: Wanted to tell you earlier this morning that you should have held your “office hours” in your garden today. Put up a sign on your office window saying such, then have them help you weed and plant stuff. Combination of getting work done and calming students nerves via natural methods of taking their mind off exam stresses. :)

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    opiejeanne says:

    Yes, I have palpitations but it’s the kind you get from being incandescently angry. Reading some of the news added by our own Rikyrah and others has enhanced that rage.

    Thank you Rikyrah and others. I must now go outside and murder .. uh, pull some weeds.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @Baud: I just need something to cheer FOR. Man. It doesn’t take much these days.

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    debbie says:

    @Aleta:

    Jesus, is this judge the twin brother of the judge who let the Stanford Swimming Rapist off so easily?

    He’s got to have a whole lot of supervision,” Day said. “Somebody who’s got eyes and ears on him like nobody’s business.”

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    Immanentize says:

    @Leto: That sounds perfect. But they would have to take the commuter rail which might set their nerves further on edge.

    Today was first leaf pick up day of the year. I got rid of like 16 leaf bags full of detritus.

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    Leto says:

    @debbie: John Oliver conducted an interview with Anita Hill in July 2018. The interview starts at the 17:38 mark. It not at all kind to Biden.

    John Oliver Anita Hill interview.

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    Leto says:

    @Immanentize: I’d say comp their ticket, but not sure about the rules on that. But 16 bags of leaves sounds like an easy ticket fare trade off ;)

    Looks like you and I will have a boatload of rain tomorrow, so you got it done just in time!

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    MomSense says:

    I’m watching Ari Melber with my teenager. He just went through a list of Trump’s mpeachable offenses and apparently had been reading about the Watergate hearings because he’s quoting prosecutors.

    The kids are alright.

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    debbie says:

    @Leto:

    Good for her. I’m listening to it now. I also like her refusal to apologize to Ginnie.

  42. 42
    Martin says:

    @MomSense:

    The kids are alright.

    Indeed they are.

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    rikyrah says:

    Malcolm P. Johnson (@admiralmpj) Tweeted:
    I can’t sit here and say that Anita Hill’s anger is wrong or unjustified, but I am confused as to why now. He’s run for President before. He’s run for Vice President before…twice. Why this campaign as opposed to his previous efforts? https://twitter.com/admiralmpj/status/1121518274116632576?s=17

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    debbie says:

    @rikyrah:

    Maybe he just wasn’t listening. Maybe he chose not to listen. She’s been asked and has answered in the past.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    I’m shocked SHOCKED that the Republican party has white supremacist, Nazi trash in it!

    Oh wait, no I’m not. It’s been a shitpile for the past 40 years.

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    The Republican Party has devolved into a fascist party. There are no “very fine people” left in the party. The sooner we all just recognize this fact, and give up trying to to pretend that it isn’t true, the sooner we can get on with eradicating this scourge. But we have to face the truth, and we have to find it within us to talk openly about it.

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    rikyrah says:

    How about, instead of giving any lip service to this question, how about ask—
    Have all former felons had their voting rights restored in all 50 states?
    Until that happens, don’t ask me about the incarcerated.

    I done told you- this is nothing but pure phuckery 😠

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1121421715324772354

  48. 48
    Leto says:

    @rikyrah: @debbie: Maybe someone needs to link the Oliver interview from last year, or any of her previous interviews. Maybe that’ll clear up his “confusion”.

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    Wag says:

    @rikyrah:

    Judge says govt. has not charged him with terrorism and murder and doesn’t plan to, so no grounds to hold

    This sounds like a DOJ problem, not a judicial problem.

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    trollhattan says:

    Let’s hear it for separation of powers!

    The Justice Department filed criminal charges Thursday against a Massachusetts judge and a former court officer for allegedly helping an undocumented immigrant avoid arrest.

    According to a 19-page indictment, Judge Shelley Joseph obstructed justice when she allowed an alleged undocumented immigrant to depart through the rear exit of a courthouse and evade arrest. Wesley MacGregor, the former court officer who allegedly escorted the immigrant to a back door, also faces charges.

    President Donald Trump has hammered “sanctuary” jurisdictions for protecting undocumented immigrants and limiting cooperation with federal enforcement. Under his watch, elected officials in several states have complained that Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers have stepped up arrests in federal courthouses.

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    PST says:

    @Wag:

    This sounds like a DOJ problem, not a judicial problem.

    It may be a legislation problem rather than a DOJ problem. DOJ is asking for detention, but it can’t seem to find a suitable law since the defendant didn’t carry out his plans and didn’t conspire with anyone.

  52. 52
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: I submit that you don’t know what the purpose of pretrial detention is.

  53. 53
    trollhattan says:

    @rikyrah:
    As a reminder, here’s Hasson’s arsenal. I suppose he gets that back, too?

  54. 54
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @trollhattan: No. Of course not.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Are you saying this is normal?

  56. 56
    lamh36 says:

    It’s National Medical Laboratory Professionals Week!

    Theme this year: PAC-LAB

    Happy Lab Week from your neighborhood Microbioligists!

    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/1121529135342456832

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: No, I said exactly what I meant to say. Don’t put words into my mouth.

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    billcinsd says:

    @TenguPhule: Read more carefully — the DOJ doesn’t plan to try him, that is right in what you quoted. Without a prospective trial, there is no reason to detain him

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    Harbison says:

    @rikyrah:

    DCPetterson (@dcpetterson) Tweeted:
    Holy shit. The US Attorney General is trying to get a confessed and convicted felon sent back to Russia to prevent her from telling Congress what she knows about the Russian attack on democracy and the Americans she influenced to help them.

    Barr is a traitor. https://t.co/rTX2ONuFOm https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1121452895105368064?s=17

    Actually, the US Atty, not Barr, is requesting deportation ________after _________ Buttina serves her sentence. And the same US Atty has requested an 18 month sentence. That is, presumably, plenty of time for her to be questioned.

    Facts matter, esp. when one’s opponents are so dishonest.

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    Harbison says:

    @trollhattan:

    The charge that is actually being brought, from what I understand, relates to his possession of suppressors, which I guess are illegal in Maryland.

    So the outcome of that will affect his rights to own firearms in the future.

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    rikyrah says:

    Mia Brett 👸🏻 (@QueenMab87) Tweeted:
    Over 60% of flipped seats in midterms were by women. Women did better than men. This is just blatantly a sexist unfounded fear https://t.co/U42hlsPSJ7 https://twitter.com/QueenMab87/status/1121064673787437057?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    It’s not unfounded.

  63. 63
    Mike in NC says:

    My fat, scumbag GOP congressman popped up on the local news last night and was asked about the Mueller Report. He replied that there was collusion, but it was done by Hillary Clinton and the “Democrat Party”. That’s a guy whose head is so far up Trump’s asshole that he can see his tonsils.

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    piratedan says:

    @lamh36: its a huge week where even docs and nurses grudgingly admit that without the Lab they would be clueless in how to treat patients!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    <— disclosing that I work in Lab Software support industry :-)

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Lots of people don’t know the purpose of pretrial detention, but that doesn’t stop them from offering opinions. I offered an explanation to someone one earlier, who asked based on a belief that I had some subject matter expertise.

    I’m not gonna argue with people who think they know all about it. Finishing Neon Prey is a much better use of my time.

  66. 66
    TenguPhule says:

    Trump orders staff to prepare arms-control push with Russia and China

    I predict China and Russia are going to eat our lunch. Assuming this even gets off the ground.

    Trump has ordered his administration to prepare a push for new arms-control agreements with Russia and China after bristling at the cost of a 21st-century nuclear arms race, according to administration officials.

    The aim of the nascent effort, a senior administration official said, is to bring Russian nuclear weapons unregulated by treaties under new limits and persuade China to join an arms-control pact limiting or verifying its capabilities for the first time.

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    Martin says:

    @rikyrah: Because people will listen now, and they wouldn’t before. She went on national TV and became the butt of late night TV jokes. You learn quickly to shut up when you’re mocked for standing up for yourself. #metoo is changing that, so people are learning to stand up for themselves again. It’s not her fault we didn’t listen to her 30 years ago.

  68. 68
    Baud says:

    @Martin:

    I hope she reminds people who harassed her.

  69. 69
    TenguPhule says:


    ‘Don’t mess with our beers’: outrage in Mexico over motion to ban sale of cold beer

    Mexico City residents may have to slake their thirsts with warm beer after a local lawmaker introduced a motion on Wednesday to ban the sale of the cold beverage in convenience stores.

    The motion – met with incredulity on social media – would modify Mexico City’s commerce laws to ban selling beer or beverages of 7% or less alcohol content, which are “refrigerated or in different conditions than the ambient temperature.”

    Stores would also be required to post signs warning patrons of stiff penalties for public drinking. Mexico City’s ubiquitous mom-and-pop stores often sell cold beer in big bottles – previously promoted as family-sized – and provide plastic cups, which people use to consume the product on-site.

  70. 70
    jl says:

    @TenguPhule: Between malice and incompetence, any course taken by Trump is dangerous. The thoughtless way the Trumpster decided to withdraw from the European intermediate missile nuke ban threatened to allow Russia to ‘eat our lunch’, according the arms control experts who I think are most reliable.

    But now somebody explained to Trump that nukes and their missiles are expensive, so he is changing course? Better or worse? God only knows.
    I’ll read your link to see how the Trumpsters’ new nonsense non-plan plans affect the European intermediate missile ban mess that they are trying to make.

  71. 71
    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Jared must be bored with existing projects.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: To be clear to everyone, I was not referring to you in my previous comment. I expect you knew that, but I’m not certain everyone might have.

  73. 73
    JPL says:

    @Baud: So true. Rumor has it that they have been after Thomas to retire so a newer and better replacement can be anointed. What if they also what to use the Thomas hearings against Joe. It would be better for Thomas to be gone.

  74. 74
    jl says:

    @TenguPhule: The threats from international beer crises are increasing? Baud 2020!’s chance for relevance?

  75. 75
    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud: Its insane. He pulled the US out of the last arms control treaty with Russia because he wanted bigger and better nuclear weapons and now he’s demanding we try and agree to another one because he doesn’t like how much is costs to get into an arms race.

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    Procopius says:

    @TenguPhule: Probably because I was in high school during the McCarthy Years, I am always suspicious when I see apparently strange decisions like this. I do not automatically trust the Department of Justice or the FBI. Occam’s razor suggests that, although the MSM don’t say so, the prosecution has a shit case. An alternative, of course, would be that the judge is a white supremacist terrorist, too. Think so? There is a strange reluctance on the part of the Justice Department to charge white citizens with terrorism.

  77. 77
    Baud says:

    The Trump administration and the plaintiffs in an ongoing family separation class action lawsuit appear to have agreed Thursday on how the government will identify potentially thousands of additional immigrant families US authorities separated at the southern border, setting up a new phase in the case.

    ……

    Shortly before the hearing in the Southern District of California, the government and plaintiffs had filed court documents describing how they thought the identifications should take place. One of the points of contention had been the timing — the government said the process could take up to two years given the painstaking nature of the task, while the plaintiffs argued it could be done faster.

    Sabraw said he will issue an order requiring the government to complete the identification process within six months.

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/family-separation-lawsuit-new-plan/index.html

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    I hope she reminds people who harassed her.

    The media rule is that Republicans never have agency.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Procopius: It says something about the times we live in that either option is perfectly valid and plausible.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @jl:

    The threats from international beer crises are increasing? Baud 2020!’s chance for relevance?

    This Baud’s for you?

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    Baud says:

    @jl:

    Baud! 2020!: Never fear! Cold beer is here!

  82. 82
    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    Sabraw said he will issue an order requiring the government to complete the identification process within six months.

    I predict that in six months Sabraw is going to be very disappointed.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Baud: Nice Polite Republicans. Fuck ’em, in the words of the master.

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    Procopius says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I submit to everyone we are no longer living in a Constitutional Republic.

    There must be some reason for the DoJ to refuse to charge him with crimes sufficient to warrant his detention. We aren’t getting the whole story. All they have to do is charge him with terrorism. Later, they can drop the charge if they can’t prove it. Why won’t they do it?

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    PPCLI says:

    @Aleta:
    @prob50:

    Not a lawyer, so I hope lawyer-people will weigh in to correct me.
    I’m not sure we can blame the judge here. The judge’s point seems to be a legal one: there are only certain charges that warrant pre-trial detention without bail. Murder is one, but this guy didn’t murder anyone (yet. So far as we know…) Terrorism is another. But the US Attorney doesn’t want to charge white guy with arsenal and list of Democratic enemies to kill with terrorism. So the US Attorney wants to keep the person detained, and the judge is saying “OK, produce charges that make it legal to detain him, and we’re good.”

    Perhaps the judge is conveying to the US Attorney: “charge him appropriately — and there are charges you can file, why the f*ck aren’t you doing that —, or I will have no choice but to let him out”. Maybe we should ask why the US attorney is reluctant to charge a white nationalist terrorist the way he would charge a Muslim with the same arsenal and enemies list.

    NOTE — this is just uninformed, non lawyer speculation. But that’s the only way any of this makes sense to me.

  86. 86
    Baud says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That’s fine. But I think it’s not a baseless concern after what we saw in 2016. 2018 was encouraging but not enough to eliminate the concern.

    Of course, all the male candidates have issues that are of concern also.

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    lamh36 says:

    @piratedan: yup.

    It’s estimated taht 70% of of medical decisions are based on lab results!

    We ARE a big deal!

  88. 88
    lamh36 says:

    Alrigh BJ

    It’s the last Thursday class day before fall semester final exam week!

    I’ve got 2 more Monday classes, cause the teacher is horrible with keeping up with the syllabus…ugh

    Then I’m off to London (in bout 3 weeks) for the 2nd time.

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    @Baud: Exactly, Jared will fix it!

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    prob50 says:

    @TenguPhule:

    now he’s demanding we try and agree to another one because he doesn’t like how much is costs to get into an arms race.

    Yeah, ‘cuz that money could be better used building a f*cking wall at the southern border, right? Whatta obsessively dangerous freaking moron.

  91. 91
    Baud says:

    @lamh36:

    That’s awesome.

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    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule

    Ice sales in Mexico City jump 10,000%.

    Film at once.

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    tobie says:

    @Immanentize: @Omnes Omnibus: I had to run out earllier so didn’t have a chance to respond to the two of your earlier but wanted to thank you for giving me stuff to think about and to remind you of this clip (I’m sure you’ve seen it) which is the most brilliant spontaneous explanation of the social contract I’ve heard. That’s a populism I can easily get behind.

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    prob50 says:

    @Procopius:

    There is a strange reluctance on the part of the Justice Department to charge white citizens with terrorism.

    ‘Cuz so many of them are “nice people”.

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    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule (#69)

    Ice sales in Mexico City jump 10,000%.

    Film at once.

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    PST says:

    I have not read anywhere that the government doesn’t intend to try Hasson. In fact, the U.S. Attorney wrote a lengthy memorandum in favor of detaining him until trial. The problem is that the charges against him are very tame and there may be no way to charge him with anything bad. He owns a lot of firearms, but that’s not a crime, and he wrote truly terrible things in great detail that look like planning murder, but he didn’t carry out any of these acts or conspire with anyone else to do them, so prosecutors have a problem. The fortuitous element of the case is that he had some controlled substances, so he could be charged with that and with possessing a firearm and ammunition while being in possession of or addicted to a controlled substance. Pretty minor charges for such a dangerous person, but it evidently has been difficult to find stronger ones. So I have some sympathy for the judge, who must follow the law and allow bail (an 8th amendment right) unless the defendant meets statutory criteria for detention, which are largely based on the severity of the crime charged.

  97. 97
    NotMax says:

    FYWP will not permit me to respond in the usual fashion on this thread because a word which begins with a g and ends with ling is in the title of the post, thus part of the response link.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud:

    Baud! 2020!: Never fear! Cold beer is here!

    I’m a stout and porter man, so your new slogan offends me. Moulton/Ryan 2020!

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    Procopius says:

    @PST: It is estimated the U.S. Code contains definitions of 5,000 acts that are felonies. If the DoJ can’t find several that warrant detention they aren’t trying.

    It may be a legislation problem rather than a DOJ problem. DOJ is asking for detention, but it can’t seem to find a suitable law since the defendant didn’t carry out his plans and didn’t conspire with anyone.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    The motherboard.vice.com article is worth a skim or read.
    Some historical context for all the subpoena-fighting by the D.J. Trump administration, past and planned:
    the full text of the Articles of Impeachment adopted by the House Judiciary Committee on July 27, 1974

    Article 3
    In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has failed without lawful cause or excuse to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @piratedan: move to strike this post—self-serving and conflict of interest.

    @lamh36:

    Then I’m off to London

    Mmm…boiled mutton!

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    Baud says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    Cntl + C
    Cntl + V

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    Harbison says:

    @PST:

    He had suppressors in his possession which, last time I checked is a federal crime unless you have the proper documentation/stamps. May also be a crime under Maryland state law, too.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @PST:

    He owns a lot of firearms, but that’s not a crime, and he wrote truly terrible things in great detail that look like planning murder, but he didn’t carry out any of these acts or conspire with anyone else to do them, so prosecutors have a problem.

    Remember the Cannibal Cop case? Jury convicted, judge reversed it.

    Valle was arrested after his wife discovered he was spending time in chat rooms describing detailed plans to abduct, torture, rape and cannibalize women;

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I’m a stout and porter man, so your new slogan offends me.

    Trump is stout and portly.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Mmm…boiled mutton!

    Bubbles and squeak.

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    NotMax says:

    That Hasson is not being ordered subject to mental evaluation astonishes me.

    “I am dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on earth,” Hasson wrote in a draft email he later deleted, prosecutors alleged. “Liberalist/globalist ideology is destroying traditional peoples esp white. No way to counteract without violence.” Source

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Baud:
    Yeah, that was a little lazy. It caught my eye elsewhere (and was better written there).

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    Baud says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    Sorry. I meant that’s what the House will do when it comes time to impeach Trump.

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    PST says:

    @Procopius:

    It is estimated the U.S. Code contains definitions of 5,000 acts that are felonies. If the DoJ can’t find several that warrant detention they aren’t trying.

    Not necessarily. There is a good article in Lawfare, It’s Time for Congress to Make Domestic Terrorism a Federal Crime, that explains the absence of a crime of domestic terrorism, only foreign terrorism. Often the “foreign” requirement can be met with a rather minimal ISIS connection, but in a pure white supremacy case there may not be one. Thus people like Dylan Roof are charged and convicted of capital crimes but not anything labeled terrorism. When actual terrorism takes place, there are always an abundance of other crimes to charge, like murder, but Hasson was just typing evil plans into a computer. I absolutely believe that Hasson meant to commit the crimes he described, but planning crimes alone apparently doesn’t cut it. Think of how much mayhem George R.R. Martin has planned. So the author of the cited article appears to be right — we need revised legislation for cases like this one.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @PST: is “Making the coast guard look stupid” not a capital crime?

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    Baud says:

    @PST:

    Interesting link. Thanks.

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    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Not if you still want a Coast Guard.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: I could live without the whistle choir

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    Baud says:

    I see Ed Rendell has decided to trash Hillary to promote Biden. Not all assholes are Bernie Bros.

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    germy says:


    Sanders Supporters Viciously Attack Bernie Sanders After He Criticizes Mistakes Of 2016 Sanders Campaign

    BURLINGTON, VT—Expressing their utter disgust and disappointment over the candidate’s remarks, supporters of presidential contender Bernie Sanders went on the attack Thursday, laying into the Vermont senator for his criticism of mistakes made by the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign. “These deeply misguided comments make it crystal clear that Sanders just doesn’t understand what the Sanders campaign was all about,” said Sanders loyalist and 2016 campaign volunteer Greg Birch, one of the legions of supporters who took to Twitter and Facebook to condemn Sanders as a “centrist phony” and question his motivations for challenging the methods favored by their candidate of choice, Bernie Sanders. “How dare Bernie say that Bernie didn’t do enough to reach women and African American voters? He clearly doesn’t know the first thing about what Bernie stands for. But if he wants to obsess over the past and quibble about semantics, so be it. We’ll be over here with Bernie Sanders starting a revolution.” Numerous voters describing themselves as fervent Sanders supporters told reporters there was no reason to listen to anything else Sanders might have to say, as he was “pretty much a Clinton shill at this point.”

    (THE ONION)

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    @Baud: I thought Rendell was an original FOB(Friend of Bill).

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Maybe he was, but now he covets the same people Bernie does.

    Biden is going to be strong because he has the most experience, Rendell told me. That’s why he’s going to beat Trump and win this time. But didn’t Clinton have a lot of experience herself and make that central to her campaign?

    “She did, but she made some bad mistakes, and she didn’t run a very good general-election campaign,” Rendell said, arguing that his support for Biden comes down to the math: Democrats need the white blue-collar workers in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan whom they lost in 2016 to win, and Biden is the way back on those voters. Many Democratic strategists wonder about that, asking whether in fact the lesson to be learned from 2018 is about motivating new voters, from new constituencies, realizing that there may have been a deeper and irreversible shift among the Democratic electorate.

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    Another Scott says:

    BlueVirginia.US:

    […]

    After flipping 15 House of Delegates seats in 2017, the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee is gearing up to take back the Virginia House of Delegates and State Senate this November. They already committed to investing $1 million into the 2019 elections in the Commonwealth – the largest early investment they have ever made – and are now putting their weight behind 17 incumbents and challengers through its Spotlight program to turn Virginia blue.

    With so much attention turned towards the 2020 elections, state legislative campaigns have been sidelined by many national political groups and activists. Virginia campaigns can’t expect to receive the kind of national support they experienced two years ago when the Commonwealth’s elections were viewed as the first big electoral test of the Democrats’ resistance to the Trump administration. This makes the DLCC’s commitment to Virginia all the more important this year.

    The million dollar investment and endorsement of over a dozen candidates marks a departure from 2017 when flipping the House of Delegates blue seemed like a pipedream and the Senate wasn’t up for election. The DLCC’s Spotlight program wasn’t even as laser-focused on Virginia back then, but now, Democrats only need to flip two seats in both chambers to take them back and complete a Democratic trifecta in Virginia.

    […]

    Eyes on the prizes…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    @Another Scott:

    DLCC does good work.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: Ed Rendell is one of the worst people in the Dem party. He was always available to trash Obama for anyone with a camera, and he’s been associated with Pete Peterson’s austerity racket over the years

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t disagree.

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    A guy at the gym told this interesting story about immigration today. He’s in his 80s to give you some sense of the time frame. His mother was born here of parents who immigrated from Ireland and were naturalized US citizens. His father immigrated from southern Italy. When they married, he was not yet a US citizen and she lost her citizenship. Apparently the US worried American women would marry southern Italians (ie code for mafia) and get them into the country. They both eventually were naturalized, and his father became a citizen first. It took her an additional 3 years to regain her citizenship.

    I couldn’t believe it. Even now I’m not sure I do. But he was pretty certain. He said his father always teased his mother that he’d beaten her to becoming a citizen.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @lamh36: @piratedan: Stop it. Just stop it.

    Stop using medical science to make medical decisions.

    It’s like you think this methodical thinking and testing is important. /S

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    speaking of Biden, I thought this was an interesting thread. I read Grunwald’s book on the stimulus (The New New Deal) and I really liked it, and I don’t remember the stuff about Biden being told in advance about obstruction.

    @ MikeGrunwald
    I notice the “stupid JoeBiden believes in compromise with Republicans” theme is taking off in Twitterland. I spent a lot of time with Biden for my stimulus book so allow me to interject a bit of nuance. 1

    So…why was Uncle Joe such a doddering sucker? Why did he think the R’s would do anything to help Obama? Actually, he wasn’t, and he didn’t. 6
    In fact, Biden told me that before Obama took office, seven GOP senators told him they weren’t going to be able to help him on anything. I confirmed Bob Bennett & Arlen Specter. John McCain & Lindsey Graham were clearly back-channeling too. 7

    Not clear what he means by “back-channeling”. I always thought McCain was bitter that “That One” stole his presidency, and the O’Bros say Lindsey was in Rahm Emmanuel’s office all the time in the first weeks of the Obama presidency. I think it took Mitch a while to enforce the Total Obstruction strategy– see also, Judd Gregg.

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yes that was the law. Immigration laws were tightened in the 20s by the Rs. Check out the Reed-Johnson Act. Current immigration restrictionists want to return to that racist law based on eugenics.

    ETA: There were some Indian-Americans who had served in WWI who lost their citizenship because of the Reed-Johnson Act. Bhagat Singh Thind’s case was one of the famous ones among these.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    I’m not gonna argue with people who think they know all about it. Finishing Neon Prey is a much better use of my time.

    Point taken. Mr. We’reallgoingtodie gets under my skin on occasion.

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    @schrodingers_cat: It was the loss of a native born woman’s citizenship that really floored me. Interesting to know that Rs were the scaredy-cat faction then too.

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Misogyny and other types of bigotry go hand in hand. This is also the origin of many of the Obama birther stories.
    Bhagat Singh Thind vs. The United States

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Smoot-Hawley restricting trade and Reed-Johnson restricting immigration were both passed by R admins. They haven’t changed much in 100 years.

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    gene108 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    The Expatriation Act of 1907 (59th Congress, 2nd session, chapter 2534, enacted March 2, 1907) was an act of the 59th United States Congress concerning retention and relinquishment of United States nationality by married women and Americans residing abroad. It effectively functioned as Congressional endorsement of the various ad hoc rulings on loss of United States nationality that had been made by the State Department since the passage of the Expatriation Act of 1868.[2] Some sections of it were repealed by other acts in the early 1920s; those sections which remained were codified at 8 U.S.C. §§ 6–17, but those too were repealed by the Nationality Act of 1940.[3][4]when the question of dual citizenship arose,

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_Act_of_1907

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It was also a plot point for one of Cary Grant’s movies IIRC.

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    Suzanne says:

    @NotMax: Apparently it also needs to be pointed out that you have no right to free speech on Twitter.

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    J R in WV says:

    @debbie:

    Good for her. I’m listening to it now. I also like her refusal to apologize to Ginnie.

    Apologize to Ginnie?? Ginnie drunk called Dr. Professor Hill, told her she owed Clarence an apology, IIRC. That KKK wife of Justice Thomas’s isn’t owed anything!

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    joel hanes says:

    Justice Thomas should by rights recuse himself from cases that deal with issues on which his wife is an activist.
    He never has.

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    matt says:

    If your moral standards are so unimportant that a result of negatively impacting some Republicans is an unacceptable outcome, maybe you don’t have any moral standards.

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