Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Stanning for My Favorite Senator (& Hopefully Future President)


 
SHE IS (deservedly) GETTING NOTICED, MORE AND MORE…


There’s a political truism that was old when I was very young: A winning politician is one who can get their sign-holders out even when the weather’s lousy…






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    Elizabelle says:

    I like the one two punch. Elizabeth Warren, calling for impeachment. Nancy Pelosi, calling for investigate, investigate, investigate. Both trains, headed in the right direction.

    And foo on those who think Democrats are wimps. Hardly. We are the walk and chew gum crowd.

    No point to impeaching until the pressure is so tough on GOP senators to vote to impeach as well. It’s not there yet. Investigate, investigate, investigate. Make them squeal.

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    Mary G says:

    She’s still growing on me more and more every day. I think lots of voters would be thrilled to have a president who speaks in complete sentences and doesn’t babble nonsense from Fox News on Twitter all day and night.

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Wimps = not doing what I want.

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    donatellonerd says:

    @Mary G: She’s my preferred candidate, but yes, we would but most of the Democrats running meet that not high bar.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    rikyrah says:

    Chris Lu (@ChrisLu44) Tweeted:
    Let’s look at the relevant law one more time:

    “Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means…the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request”

    Shall means shall. There’s no leeway here

    https://t.co/L4xTul3u7p https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44/status/1120519345745145858?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    PoliticusUSA (@politicususa) Tweeted:
    Rachel Maddow explains why Trump’s lawsuit to block Congress from getting his financial records is just a stalling tactic. #ctl #p2 #maddow https://t.co/NIrp4n9ScM https://twitter.com/politicususa/status/1120499218584616966?s=17

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Blech.

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    rikyrah says:

    Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) Tweeted:
    Trump is…

    A defender of the faith -@Franklin_Graham

    Called by God -@PressSec

    Godly & Biblical -@MicheleBachmann

    God’s given authority -@robertjeffress

    God’s anointed – @Paula_White

    A moral person -@JerryFalwellJr

    WHITE EVANGELICALS ARE DERANGED APOSTATES https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1120482660764323842?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    The US is threatening to veto a United Nations resolution on combatting the use of rape as a weapon of war because of its language on reproductive and sexual health, according to a senior UN official and European diplomats. The German mission hopes the resolution will be adopted at a special UN security council session on Tuesday on sexual violence in conflict.

    But the draft resolution has already been stripped of one of its most important elements, the establishment of a formal mechanism to monitor and report atrocities, because of opposition from the US, Russia and China, which opposed creating a new monitoring body. Even after the formal monitoring mechanism was stripped from the resolution, the US was still threatening to veto the watered-down version, because it includes language on victims’ support from family planning clinics. In recent months, the Trump administration has taken a hard line, refusing to agree to any UN documents that refer to sexual or reproductive health, on grounds that such language implies support for abortions. It has also opposed the use of the word “gender”, seeing it as a cover for liberal promotion of transgender rights.

    Just in case anyone needed a reminder.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I was otherwise occupied last night, but I’m going to find the CNN clip and watch the whole thing when I get a chance. Warren is my top choice so far, but I also want to hear what Harris, Klobuchar and Buttigieg had to say. I’ll skip the Shouty McWaggyfinger show.

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    @Elizabelle:

    And foo on those who think Democrats are wimps.

    The Democrats that national news pundits really want to talk to are wimps. At least Warren gets some policy coverage, instead of the total lockout Hillary got. I think there will be some nasty shocks to the TV folks about who actually wins the primaries.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    No difference. Both sides.

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    Baud says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I had blacklisted Warren, but her start has been impressive enough that I stopped doing that. But none of the candidates has really been tested yet this primary.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Good “Christians”, one and all.

    Lust.
    Gluttony.
    Greed.
    Sloth.
    Wrath.
    Envy.
    Pride,

    trump.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Good point.

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    Comrade Nimrod Himperdink says:

    I enjoyed Inslee’s town hall

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Never been the biggest Warren fan, but she’s by far showing the most policy mettle in the race – and it’s definitely more substantive than the flashy show John Edwards tried to put on in 2008. That said, she’ll need to distinguish herself in a debate with everyone on the stage. I would be thrilled if she takes Wilmer down a notch by pointing out he is all about ranting about rich people without having actual policy prescriptions to back it up.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    In court papers filed on Monday, FBI special agent David Gabriel said in a criminal complaint that in October 2017 the agency received reports a militia was being run out of Hopkins’ home in Flora Vista, New Mexico. When agents entered the home they collected nine firearms, ranging from pistols to rifles, Horton was illegally in possession of as he had at least one prior felony conviction, according to the complaint.

    The FBI said in court papers that in 2006, Hopkins was convicted of criminal impersonation of a peace officer and felony possession of a firearm, and that in 1996 he was also convicted on a firearms charge.

    Obviously the FBI thought he was just a “good guy” with a gun, and that’s why it took prosecutors a year and a half to file charges.

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    Dan B says:

    @Elizabelle: It seens like a combination of factors are energizing new, and older, morally motivated (real morals, not prudes) dems are gonna blow out the Dems are Wimps label.

    There may be costs. LBJ chalked up the south because of the Civil Rights Act. LGBT people got nasty about the response – none- to AIDS. Suffragettes and Womens Liberation were “impolite”. When there is a wrong to be addressed the solution will be messy or there will be catastrophe for everyone. The status quo and tge wealthy believe they will be exempted. They are at times but they get dragged under the jaws of bad karma.

    Climate Catastrophe is the current fantasy. Billions will not hold the wrath of mother at bay.

    Dems who are not wimps are saviors. Go Liz!

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    ixnay says:

    “Masters of War” to the melody of Anacreon in Heaven. H/T to Leon Russell, the Roots, and probably others.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: I see your point but let’s be honest. There will never come a point in time when McConnell, Graham and other Republican Senators will move to impeach their Dear Leader.

    House Democrats should impeach Trump based on the principle that no one is above the law regardless of what will never happen in the Senate. Plus, impeachment hearings will put Trump on the defense. Start them next Spring so that they coincide with his re-election campaign.

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    Dan B says:

    @rikyrah: White Evangelicals are tribal. Everything else is mumbo jumbo.

    Tribal identity is nearly impossible to penetrate but there are good hearted people who get sucked in and are sorely missed when the inevitable collapse occurs.

    There are ways to break through. Pointing out they are wrong has not yet worked. Logic very rarely works. There are methods that cognitive science is unraveling.

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    Baud says:

    The Black Feminists Who Saw the Alt-Right Threat Coming

    Before Gamergate, before the 2016 election, they launched a campaign against Twitter trolls masquerading as women of color. If only more people had paid attention.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Trump is having a Twitter tantrum right now. A couple of choice excerpts:

    I wonder if the New York Times will apologize to me a second time, as they did after the 2016 Election. But this one will have to be a far bigger & better apology. On this one they will have to get down on their knees & beg for forgiveness-they are truly the Enemy of the People!

    Yeah, nothing alarming about a POTUS suggesting that a newspaper should grovel before him. Also:

    In the “old days” if you were President and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism. Remember, “It’s the economy stupid.” Today I have, as President, perhaps the greatest economy in history…and to the Mainstream Media, it means NOTHING. But it will!

    Maybe his pals Newt and Lindsey could clue him in on how House Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over a blow job during the dotcom boom…

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    Elizabelle says:

    The Enemy of the People

    That’s chilling. Don McGahan is one happy kahuna this morning. Robert Mueller is reconfirming his testimony date.

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    JGabriel says:

    Elizabelle:

    No point to impeaching until the pressure is so tough on GOP senators to vote to impeach as well.

    I have to disagree. There are at least 4 reasons to impeach, whether or not Senate Republicans will vote to remove Trump from office:

    1. The pressure on GOP Senators to vote for removal won’t increase until the evidence for, and articles of, impeachment are before them on the floor of the Senate;

    2. Politically, it focuses and maintains attention on the crimes of the President – and, assuming the evidence for removal is compelling enough, a vote against it can be used as a cudgel on Republicans who are up for re-election;

    3. Not investigating and presenting the evidence for impeachment will only encourage nations hostile to the US to attack our elections again and again, and encourage more and more Republicans to conspire with them – assuming there are any left who aren’t already conspiring with hostile nations to attack our elections; and,

    4. Ethically and morally, it’s the right thing to do.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Betty Cracker: He’s getting hammering in conservative polling (Morning Consult/Politico weekly tracking poll) (linky)

    ■ Trump’s Popularity Hits Record Low as Support for Impeachment Wanes

    ■ President’s net approval is 18 points underwater in weekly tracking poll

    ■ 39% of voters approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance; 57% disapprove.

    ■ 34% said Congress should begin impeachment proceedings, compared with 48% who said it shouldn’t.

    ■ Support for impeaching Trump has dropped 12 points among Democrats since January.

    President Donald Trump’s net approval rating reached the lowest point of his presidency following the release of a redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election and obstruction of justice.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    “I have a great economy but everybody still hates me! Clearly the problem is that nobody has noticed the economy!”

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    Lapassionara says:

    Good morning, everyone. I saw an interesting twitter thread about the term “high crimes and misdemeanors” yesterday. The word “high” simply refers to the fact that the person charged holds a “high” office. It does not mean that the crime has to be a particularly serious one. Benjamin Franklin thought that being “obnoxious” would qualify. Well, Trump qualifies there, for sure.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @rikyrah: there are a few even more deranged black evangelicals. they’re the ones who back trump as well. EWWWWWW Jackson in Virginia comes to mind.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Glad everyone is staying politically entertained before the Baud 2020 election.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Support for impeaching Nixon wasn’t high when proceedings started, but then it was there after the public saw and heard the evidence.

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    debbie says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Except the media is really playing up Dem divisions. It’s war!!! //

    P.S. Help a sleep-deprived person understand “stanning,” please.

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    Baud says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    34% said Congress should begin impeachment proceedings, compared with 48% who said it shouldn’t.

    Nancy wants those numbers to be in the black, which is why she favors more love hearings right now IMHO.

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    Immanentize says:

    Good morning all!

    Warren is seriously charismatic. If she were a dude she would be at 50+% by now. She does retail politics better than anyone I’ve met since Teddy Kennedy died.

    Sadly, serious business to be done in the personal world today. I’m glad to see the forever fight of whether to “impeach right the hell now dammit” will still be going on when I get done this evening.

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    Baud says:

    @Lapassionara:

    But someone said there were months of hearings before the impeachment hearings. Maybe they are following the same path.

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    JGabriel says:

    Donald Trump via Betty Cracker:

    I wonder if the New York Times will apologize to me a second time …

    IIRC, NYT never apologized the ‘first’ time. That’s just more made up bullshit from the senile, dementia-riddled, pus-filled orange sphere we call Trump’s head.

    In the “old days” if you were President and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism.

    Like Bill Clinton? Impeachment is too good for Trump – unfortunately, all the punishments Trump deserves are barred by the 8th Amendment.

    Today I have, as President, perhaps the greatest economy in history…

    See above, re: “made up bullshit” and “senile, dementia-riddled, pus-filled orange spheres”.

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    Baud says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    The Baud! presidency will make the impeachment question a no-brainer.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Whoa, Trump sprinkled a little truth about Morning Joe into his Fox & Friends fluffing!

    Sorry to say but @foxandfriends is by far the best of the morning political shows on television. It rightfully has BY FAR the highest ratings, not even close. Morning Psycho (Joe), who helped get me elected in 2016 by having me on (free) all the time, has nosedived, too Angry…

    Emphasis mine. For once, the shitgibbon spoke the truth! We viewers / freelance media critics can say it until we’re blue in the face, and the Beltway ninnies won’t hear it. Scarborough and Brzezinski will never admit the truth of what Trump just said about their irresponsible coverage of his clown candidacy, nor will CNN, the NYT and the Trump campaign’s other media enablers. Still, it seems notable that the 1st Amendment-threatening demagogue they so disastrously promoted spoke that truth.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I love your pics very much! But I dislike pink roses. They compliments the day’s Blech 😑

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: They are following the necessary path. And as I said, Senators are just booing from the cheap seats when they ‘splain to the House about what they must do when.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @debbie: RE: “stan” — it’s a portmanteau word combining “stalker” and “fan” to signify super fan. I read somewhere that it was originated by Eminem.

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    JGabriel says:

    Betty Cracker:

    For once, the shitgibbon spoke the truth!

    Even stopped calendars are right once a year …

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Save some love for Matt Lauer!

    @Immanentize:

    The other thing to keep in mind is that if they started impeachment today, it would pretty much be limited to the issues raised in the Mueller report. By doing more hearing, they might be able to expand the scope of a future impeachment proceeding.

    I do hope they do it eventually.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    LOL, thanks. I thought it might just be a typo.

    @Immanentize:

    They need to be reminded of their 70 tries to end ACA.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    I do hope they do it eventually.

    I hope it proves unnecessary because he has been voted out of office.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud: That’s definitely a first.

    Baud 2020! “I wanna be impeached (and sedated).”

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @debbie:

    P.S. Help a sleep-deprived person understand “stanning,” please.

    Rapper Eminem had a song about a seriously creepy stalker named Stan, which might be a portmanteau for ‘St(alker) (F)an’.

    When I see it on political twitter, it’s used semi-sarcastically, mostly in reference to the person tweeting.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: I agree and expect the finance threads (loans, taxes. Money laundering etc.) Will prove much more criminal.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Uck, the horror.

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    debbie says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    There’s definitely a lot of that on Twitter! Thanks.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Betty Cracker: remember the song that was a mashup of Dido’s “Thank You?” That’s Stan.

    A sample of the lyrics:

    Dear Slim, I wrote you but still ain’t callin’
    I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
    I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not-a got ’em
    There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin’
    Sometimes I scribble addresses too sloppy when I jot ’em
    But anyways, fuck it, what’s been up? Man how’s your daughter?
    My girlfriend’s pregnant too, I’m ’bout to be a father
    If I have a daughter, guess what I’m a call her?
    I’ma name her Bonnie
    I read about your Uncle Ronnie too I’m sorry
    I had a friend kill himself over some bitch who didn’t want him
    I know you probably hear this everyday, but I’m your biggest fan
    I even got the underground shit that you did with Skam
    I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
    I like the shit you did with Rawkus too, that shit was fat
    Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
    Just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
    This is Stan

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    debbie says:

    @Immanentize:

    I believe the Russian Trump Tower is turning into a much bigger deal, too.

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    JGabriel says:

    @debbie, @Betty Cracker, and @Anne Laurie: Danke. I was wondering what “Stan” meant too. I’m familiar with Eminem’s Stan – it just never occurred to me to connect it with political fanning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud:

    Maybe they are following the same path.

    That can’t be true, they aren’t using the right words.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: HA! Thanx, I needed a good laugh this morn.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Baud: Perhaps. But Trump is stonewalling House subpoenas now, and we will have to see if the House can get information from the maladministration without convening a select committee on impeachment.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Investigate and then impeach. Good strategy.

    https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1120646527788158977

    There are many ways to skin the cat.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Dan B:

    It seens like a combination of factors are energizing new, and older, morally motivated (real morals, not prudes) dems are gonna blow out the Dems are Wimps label.

    Oh, but that just activates the Dems are Insane Feminazi Communist Terrorists label.

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    Baud says:

    @Lapassionara:

    Right. They may be left with no choice, but it’s important to let that play out. Since no one thinks the Senate will ever convict, there really isn’t a rush to get anything done in the next few weeks.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @ixnay: Bit OT, my brother knew Russell, attended HS with him. Recently there was a memorial concert for Russell at our HS. One feature of memorial, the piano he played at the school was restored.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @debbie:

    I believe the Russian Trump Tower is turning into a much bigger deal, too.

    If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.

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    Immanentize says:

    Did folks see Jimmy Fallon’s Old Town Road spoof (Old Town Hall) featuring his Bernie Sanders? Wait for the hover-round exit!

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize:

    I have now.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: I really like the song, Old Town Road. And the controversy reminded me again why I hate Billboard.

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    Kay says:

    They know a ton about student debt because there’s a huge, national, government database on it so they can do elaborate mapping on where it is highest down to the city and county. And, like everything else in the United States, it harms minorities more than it does white people:

    Finally, the universality of a higher education policy agenda, including student debt cancellation, has to be understood in light of the racial disparities that plague student debt and everything associated with it. While some naïve media coverage portrays student debt as the province of whiny, privileged, over-educated millennials, the reality is that we stopped supporting universal public higher education the moment the beneficiary population started to look very different from the tax base sustaining it. Whereas student debt was once a sign of relative privilege in the cross-section of a single cohort, as it was held exclusively by graduates of professional programs with strong earnings potential, student debt is increasingly a mark of relative deprivation: it means that your parents couldn’t pay for the thing, higher education, that everyone increasingly has to have.

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize: It was a catchy tune.

    @Kay:

    White socialism is the only acceptable socialism.

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    @BillinGlendaleCA: I thought you were linking to a rose twitter comment and instead I found that beautiful rose with the water drops and everything. How lovely.

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    SFAW says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Looks like a less mellifluous Adele song

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    @Baud: I remember watching the Ervin hearings. They were on all day every day and they were good TV. San Ervin was a masterly performer. You need something like that to reach most people because mostly they don’t think about politics at all if they can help it. That’s why they have elected representatives.

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    Kay says:

    And I think it’s essential to extend anything you do to the middle class, because if you don’t it becomes a poor people program and loses public support. So, for example, about 5 years ago my school district put in public pre-k. We were building a new school so it was a good time to add 1 grade. It isn’t based on income, but 50% of our students get free or reduced lunch which means half are very low income or low income. The preschool is wildly popular, and it’s popular with everyone- so the top 50% are invested in it and will make sure it’s funded, because their kids go there. The top 50 also vote at much higher rates so we literally need them (me, I’m in top 50 and my precinct has 80% turnout for elections) or the funding won’t be sustained.

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    MomSense says:

    Good job, media. There are now 3 Bboys in the top three spots polling wise.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Nothing a good voucher program won’t fix.

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    From MSN re the WH press corp’s reaction to Sarah Sanders’ lie about countless FBI agents contacting her etc.

    “I hope and trust that she understands why this is a big deal and why it matters to us and to her,” said Peter Baker, the veteran New York Times White House reporter, in an interview Monday. “A press secretary’s most important asset is credibility. If you don’t have that, there’s not much point. But we all make mistakes. The test is what you do about it to make things better.”

    Honest to god, you can’t fix determined stupidity.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: Odd–that is not reflected in other polling over the same time period, which basically shows a tiny blip downward (the consistent rule is that news about Mueller just doesn’t move polls up or down). I wonder if Morning Consult has decided to get off the Trump train for some reason.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    I think Nadler is right to say follow the facts. The Congress is supposed to do oversight and investigate corruption. We don’t have to call it impeachment yet.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    If you could ever get young people- all classes, not just college educated- to turn out at 80% you could have a revolution without firing a shot. It would really be that simple. They could transform the country with just consistent, really high turnout for 4 consecutive cycles.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I hope and trust that she understands why this is a big deal and why it matters to us and to her,” s

    She doesn’t because it’s not because IOKIYAR.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    You sure? I have it on good authority that if we just sit on our asses, things will get really bad then Dems will learn their lesson then we will have Revolution ®¡

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    SFAW says:

    @Kay:

    If you could ever get young people- all classes, not just college educated- to turn out at 80% you could have a revolution without firing a shot.

    Which I expect is part of the reason the Rethugs keep trying to make it difficult or near-impossible for the kids to vote.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jeff Stein (@SpyTalker) Tweeted:
    White House has instructed fmr security clearances director Carl Kline not to appear before House Government Oversight committee. https://twitter.com/SpyTalker/status/1120513049788649472?s=17

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    things will get really bad then Dems will learn their lesson then we will have Revolution ®¡

    LGM had a quote from Joe Lockhart (Clinton-admin press sec? or something) wherein he said re-electing the Traitor-in-Chief will be good for the Dems, because he’ll make things so bad that the people will rise up at the voting booths, etc.

    In other words, the same idiotic bullshit we heard from St Ralph the Pure, in the aftermath of 2000, to rationalize/justify the result of his vanity campaign.

    Fuck all of them.

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    Baud says:

    @SFAW:

    I’m confident that Lockhart is at least getting paid for his bullshit. I actually find that more honorable than spouting it for free.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Good God, I have almost as much contempt for Baker as Sanders after reading that.

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    rikyrah says:

    😂😂😂😂

    Cake or Death (@Johngcole) Tweeted:
    just caught myself yelling “YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS HERE STEVE I’M THE ONE WITH THE THUMBS”

    i’m in an abusive relationship with my cat https://twitter.com/Johngcole/status/1120522405926117376?s=17

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    germy says:

    Biden is delaying his announcement:

    In candid remarks to Time on Friday, a former Biden aide said there’s plenty of chaos behind the scenes: “I’ve never seen anything so half-assed. They’re improvising and doing last-minute planning. The guy has been running for president since 1987 and can’t figure the basics out, like where to stand on his first day? This should make everyone very nervous.”

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer.....ement.html

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    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I wouldn’t do that to y’all. I did have to wake up early on a Sunday to get it without the riffraff.
    @MomSense: It’s shot with focus stacking, so each part of the rose is in focus.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I feel like this is dangerous for them because the laws on national security/clearances are so draconian. I actually think it’s way too secretive and layered and excessive, it’s like they added and added without ever streamlining, probably to thwart transparency- but it was applied to Clinton, so it should be applied to Trump. This is real legal peril. They had no idea what they were doing and they’re all arrogant egomaniacs so they didn’t ask for advice and when it’s given they ignore it anyway, and they’re all hugely privileged so they probably broke all kinds of rules. It’s Ivanka and Jared in the cross hairs, too. It goes right to the top.

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    MomSense says:

    @SFAW:

    Ever notice the people who say that shit are not worried that their kids will be taken from them and put in cages?

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    I actually find that more honorable than spouting it for free.

    Smarter, maybe. But more honorable? No.

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    NotMax says:

    @germy

    Worst, Fan dance. Ever.

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    MomSense says:

    Oh now Willie Geist is saying Warren and Sanders have essentially the same ideas. Da Phuq?!

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    SFAW says:

    @MomSense:

    Ever notice the people who say that shit are not worried that their kids will be taken from them and put in cages?

    Or be prevented from voting. Or get shot for “living while black.” And so on …

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    Astute observation.

    For some reason, no one ever says let’s implement Marxism so that we’ll get a purer form of capitalism on the other side.

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    germy says:

    @MomSense: Well, one has slogans and one has actual plans and blueprints.

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    Kay says:

    @germy:

    Biden was always a terrible candidate before Obama. No one should be surprised. I looked up and read his speech on the floor when he was one of the few Democrats to put the bankruptcy bill over the top and it’s fucking appalling. His justification was he was protecting “child support collection”. Child support is a priority debt in bankruptcy. You can’t discharge it, just like you can’t discharge tax liens and some other things. To portray that shitty vote as “about the children”? Jesus. Just shameless.

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    SFAW says:

    @MomSense:

    Oh now Willie Geist is saying Warren and Sanders have essentially the same ideas. Da Phuq?!

    Well, Bernie had them first, and he’s male, so she just stole them. Or something.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Immanentize:

    She’s improved her charisma factor since 2016. Her speech at the DNC was deeply disappointing.

    I still prefer Harris, but my mind is open to everyone but BS.

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    germy says:

    @Kay:

    Biden was always a terrible candidate before Obama. No one should be surprised.

    From the article I linked to above:

    But another Biden insider who spoke to Time expects that Biden’s lead during his non-campaign will be harder to maintain post-announcement: “This guy’s best day is the day he announces. Everything after that gets worse.”

    I love all these insiders talking shit. The man can’t even inspire loyalty with his closest advisors. Republicans laugh at him. McConnell would have him for breakfast.

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    MomSense says:

    @SFAW: @Baud:

    I also find that the people who say those things aren’t well versed in the history of social change and they haven’t spent a lot of time on the phones or at the doors of actual voters.

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    rikyrah says:

    Corey Bu-Shea (@coreybking) Tweeted:
    Notice how you’ll woke faves are absent during these town halls when actual issues are being discussed? But they can respond to media soundbites and erroneous Google searches though 🙄🙄🙄🙄 https://twitter.com/coreybking/status/1120512677800030209?s=17

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    From his perspective, Sanders and Juicers have essentially the same ideas. It’s shallow, but that’s the end of the pond where our pundits live.

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    @rikyrah: Can the WH stop the security clearance guy from testifying before Congress? Is there some legal means for them to do that, executive privilege or something?

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    Remember when Cheney had his 1% doctrine, that said force was justified of there’s a 1% chance of an attack on the U.S.

    I think there are people on our side who think anything the Republicans do is acceptable if there’s a 1% chance of a positive aftermath.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Betty Cracker: But Betty “we all make mistakes” – like flat out lying to the public day in day out. Why are you (Dems) being so hard on Sarah Fuckabee Slanders of Possum Hollar?

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    Kay says:

    @germy:

    He may be a terrible candidate but they are also terrible employees, trashing him to elevate their own egos and power with their insiderness. Those two things are probably related. Low quality hires, like Mr. Trump.

    They have a job and it’s not political pundit. He’s paying them for loyalty and an ability to keep their mouth shut and do their job, which is “get him elected”.

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    NotMax says:

    @Baud

    Yup. Like saying that Kaiser Wilhelm I and FDR are indistinguishable and interchangeable.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Look at the attribution, Kay. A “former Biden aide and a “Biden insider.” Vague references. Not necessarily currently paid staff.

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    Kay says:

    @germy:

    Agreed. I think it’s hard for Biden supporters to admit that Obama carried Biden. And it’s often thus. Pence couldn’t have even kept his Indiana position, let alone “President”. He was slated to lose his re-elect when Trump rescued him.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @germy: Well, if Biden is going to jump in, he should jump the hell in already. After he flounders around while the low info voters get acquainted with his senate work on the bankruptcy and crime bills, the Anita Hill debacle, etc., the 30% or so who say they support him now (name recognition and Obama nostalgia) will have a chance to wake up and throw their support to a better candidate. Better that should happen sooner rather than later. If we must have a Biden 2020 run, let’s have it start this week.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @rikyrah: And Cole provides these details for free.

    The man needs a reality show. It’s be the first I’d watch.

    Oh the shit Steve would talk in the cut-away interviews…

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    What they are saying is that this terrible person will do such horrible things to people that will be so shocking that everyone else will finally notice and decide to make drastic change. They say this knowing they are not in the first, second, or even 15th on the list of groups of people who will suffer those horrible things.

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense:

    Yep. People love to cosplay Che in their rhetoric, but no one wants to live or die like he did.

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    rikyrah says:

    Daniel Dale (@ddale8) Tweeted:
    Things the president called people and entities before 8 AM today:
    – Joe Scarborough “Psycho” and “Angry, Dumb and Sick”
    – Democrats “totally insane”
    – New York Times “Fake News” and “Enemy of the People”
    – Paul Krugman “stupid”
    – Twitter “very discriminatory” https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1120660470279692288?s=17

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Baud:

    People love to cosplay Che in their rhetoric

    Do I have to sing the song about bug spray?

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    MomSense says:

    Oh great, now they’ve got Piers Morgan on for his hot takes.

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    Looks like the Galaxy Fold has temporarily folded.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: If he’s “former” as the quote says, meaning no longer employed there, it seems like they could “instruct” him and he could advise them to put the instructions where the sun don’t shine. But IANAL.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @rikyrah: So much bile in the morning can’t be healthy for a 72-year-old man (he said hopefully.)

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    gene108 says:

    @Kay:

    Student loan debt isn’t just for 4 year college degrees. Getting into a program to be a phlebotomist and/or dialysis technician, for example, can leave a person with student loan debt.

    Those training programs are not free of charge.

    There are other training programs, for people to make more than minimum wage, that don’t require college degrees that plunge people into debt.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Shit. What am I going to do with my two grand now!

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    Sab says:

    @Elizabelle: Also too statute of limitations shouldn’t matter for impeachment.

    It’s not a criminal trial. It’s a removal from office for inappropriate character or behavior. Trump has been breaking laws right and left for his whole adult life, and for some reason NY and NJ authorities didn’t care. We can care now.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @rikyrah: Sixty-two million voters in this country have no shame or ability to be embarrassed. Having voted for such a whiny manbaby is A-OK.

    Hell, I stupidly voted for Wilmer in the primary, and will be embarrassed about that for the rest of my days.

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    NotMax says:

    @rikyrah

    More projection than the Loew’s and Regal chains combined.

    No calling Cummings and Nadler “doo-doo heads?” Such self-restraint.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Narrator: Turned out that Dump was mostly bile the way empathetic humans were mostly water.

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    @Baud: Could get a ’68 Ford Galaxy.

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    plato says:

    @rikyrah: Perfect projection. What an asshole. Elected by assholes.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: My PayPal address is …

    :)

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    Sab says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Peter Baker has been an idiot for a number of years now. Good to see people are finally noticing.

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    NotMax says:

    @mrmoshpotato

    Sixty-two million voters

    May be time to petition the scientific community to remove “sapiens” from the taxonomy.

    ;)

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    Chyron HR says:

    @germy:

    Well, one has slogans

    He has slogans? I thought he was running on the “FUCK HILLARY!” platform this time around.

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    Twelve panicky tweets this morning from the Tweeter-in-Chief.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @NotMax: Science is a libtard conspiracy! And keep the damn gubbermint outta ma Medicare!

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    raven says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Have you seen the movie “A Poem is. Naked Person”?

    Les Blank considered this free-form feature documentary about beloved singer-songwriter Leon Russell, filmed between 1972 and 1974, to be one of his greatest accomplishments. Yet it has not been released until now. Hired by Russell to film him at his recording studio in northeast Oklahoma, Blank ended up constructing a unique, intimate portrait of a musician and his environment. Made up of mesmerizing scenes of Russell and his band performing, both in concert and in the studio, as well as off-the-cuff moments behind the scenes, this singular film—which also features performances by Willie Nelson and George Jones—has attained legendary status over the years. It’s a work of rough beauty that serves as testament to Blank’s cinematic daring and Russell’s immense musical talents.

    It’s really weird and Leon didn’t like it or Blank but he did like his son so he let him release it after Les died. I was lucky enough to see Leon with what was basically Mad Dogs and Englishmen without Cocker. They played in Huff Gym at the U of I and didn’t have a stage, just a riser, so I leaned on his piano and shot the shit with him between songs.

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    raven says:

    @Dan B: Fuck LBJ

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    NotMax says:

    @mrmoshpotato

    “Our ancestors had cholera, why can’t we?” //

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    JMG says:

    I also support Sen. Warren and will do what I can to help her win the nomination. But I know she’s a long shot and that the White Dude of the Month (no idea who that will be) when Iowa and New Hampshire vote will almost certainly get the nod. However, even if that happens, Warren will see said nominee steal most of her ideas for the general election campaign. Whatever the outcome of said election, she will be the most influential Democrat in the Senate, much more than Schumer, who’s really just a fund raiser (no knock, that’s a skill).

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @NotMax: So unfair to those who died from cholera that we’re trying to eradicate it.

    Make Typhoid A Great Epidemic Again

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    tobie says:

    The Supreme Court will be hearing oral arguments today on the citizenship question on the Census. All eyes will be on Roberts. I also hope the House releases a schedule of public hearings soon. The disagreement in the caucus — it seems to me — isn’t really about impeachment but about timing. Impeach now or wait till the cry for it from many quarters is so resounding that even a Republican or two balks. But if the House doesn’t draw attention to what it’s doing, it will seem like inaction, and the media will work overtime to cement that impression.

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    ixnay says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Well, that 6 degrees thing. Mr. Ixnay makes his living, such as it is, as a keyboard musician.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Baud: Thx so much for this. The implications of this article are stunning on many levels. I despise those writers who downplayed and made excuses. Good on Slate and Samantha Bee (who has at least 1 African American female writer on her staff).

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    A hopeful thought that will be helped along by hearings (from Electoral Vote)

    However, the Mueller report story can only get worse for him from here on out. There is not likely to be anything new that is positive or exculpatory for Trump; all his team will be able to do is repeat “no collusion,” which they’ve already been doing for almost two years. Meanwhile, there is every chance that the Democrats (or one of the dozen ongoing Mueller-initiated investigations) will come up with new stuff on a regular basis that is negative or incriminating for the President. So, a PR battle that Team Trump appears to be losing will only get worse

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @rikyrah:

    A defender of the faith -@Franklin_Graham

    Trump is a Judas Priest fan? Who knew?

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    Jinchi says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I like the one two punch. Elizabeth Warren, calling for impeachment. Nancy Pelosi, calling for investigate, investigate, investigate.

    I’d like to believe you’re right, but it’s pretty clear that Pelosi would like all talk of impeachment to go away.

    Warren’s take is based on principles, Trump is clearly unfit for office and continues to actively harm our country for personal gain. Members of Congress take an oath to defend the country and they have the power to remove him. It’s their responsibility to impeach him.

    Pelosi’s take is practical. The Republican Senate will never act to remove this president, which means the only real way he leaves office is if he is voted out in 2020. Personally, I think she trivializes his crimes and encourages more bad behavior when she’s quoted publicly saying “I’m not for impeachment” and “He’s not worth it”.

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    Feathers says:

    @debbie: @Betty Cracker: In the fandom side of the internet, there are also complaints of “stan culture,” that being a stan includes attacking anyone who says negative (or merely non-positive) things about your fave. It’s why people talk about Bernie stans. They jump into conversations about other candidates to announce that Bernie is better. I’m seeing a lot of the same with Buttigieg. You are not understanding how important he is for LGBTQ reputation if you mention he has no policy positions and saying his record on race is problematic means you’re essentially homophobic.

    Sigh.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Elizabelle: I disagree that there’s no point. First, it’s not up to the House to do the Senate’s job. They can only do their own. What the Senate chooses is on them. Second, the process will bring much that has been hidden or unnoticed to light which could make it politically dangerous for the Senate to refuse.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: LOL omg, she’s been lying to them for more than a year, regularly. Wow, wow, WOW. What is wrong with that guy? (Don’t feel like googling it but I bet he was one of the one’s who criticized the “she gets her smoky eye with lies” joke).

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    tobie says:

    I know I’m the minority here but I was not impressed with Warren’s higher education proposal and have felt that way about a lot of her statements posted on Medium. None are detailed policy proposals. In length and style they are more like op eds. And they paint everything with the same broad brush stroke often using the exact same language: “Here’s the deal–corporate monopolies are gouging hard-working Americans.”

    Her university proposal conflates debt forgiveness for loans for public and private universities with free public universities. The two are different problems and need to be tackled in different ways, lest you want state legislatures to control curriculums at state universities and to turn them into professional/vocational schools. The same thing happened with her agriculture statement which conflated seed and chemical monopolies with contract farming for animal feed. I wish Warren would stick to a few issues and really explore them in depth. I’ve come to respect Inslee’s single-minded climate focus.

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    Kay says:

    @gene108:

    Student loan debt isn’t just for 4 year college degrees. Getting into a program to be a phlebotomist and/or dialysis technician, for example, can leave a person with student loan debt.

    Oh, I know. We have a kind of snobby education debate. It completely ignores community colleges and various certificate programs, which is amusing, because so many people go that route.

    The whole discussion is predicated on “high school senior, packs bags, goes off to state u for 4 years”. That’s not the norm.

    Ohio has this College Credit Plus thing going that will be a great experiment. They can get college credit, free, in high school. It is insanely popular. They’re still working out the bugs in our school, which seems to come down to “good counseling”. The college class counts for the high school requirement, so we had 5 students last year who failed the college course and thus didn’t have the required courses to graduate high school. They did summer school but it was a close call. It will save these kids millions and millions of dollars. The really ambitious students complete an associate degree – they graduate high school with it.

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    dww44 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: My take on Peter Baker has not changed after these willfully obtuse remarks. He is, as he has always been, preserving his access. He equivocates more than most politicians.

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    @Feathers: I saw a poll (didn’t read it in detail) that said that young male Bernie supporters are moving over to Buttigieg. Another quick note was that because Buttigieg is moving up in the polls, expect Bernie to attack him next.

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    L85NJGT says:

    @gene108:

    For-profit IT schools.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    Warren is seriously charismatic. If she were a dude she would be at 50+% by now. She does retail politics better than anyone I’ve met since Teddy Kennedy died.

    She really is good.

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    tobie says:

    @Kay: Minnesota has allowed high school juniors and seniors take community college or college courses for credit towards a diploma and/or BA since the 1990s. Glad to hear Ohio does this now, too.

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    Kay says:

    @gene108:

    The 5 failed the college course in high school not because they weren’t academically ready, they test into the program- they failed it because they were immature and something happened and they got lost, which is FINE- they are allowed to be immature at 15 or 16. But they’re “good students” so they were so upset- crying, the boys and the girls. So the school has to not just rely on the test score. They have to know the kid. If they’re 16 going on 12 they won’t do well. They have to have personal counseling, which costs.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yep, the Bernie people are on it already. It’s almost like they expect a coronation or something!

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    Cameron says:

    @Kay: Isn’t this something the Tennessee Promise program was supposed to address? I’ll confess I don’t know much about it, since I’m an old fart with no kids and I don’t live in Tennessee.

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    Kay says:

    @tobie:

    It (so far) works really well. My oldest son was mad when I told him about it. He would have been perfect for that.

    I had to rein my youngest in a little. He would have taken 4. I think he needs to stay in high school. I want him to grow up.

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    raven says:

    @ixnay: You sent me down the rathole, I’ve seen clips of the Homewood Session but never the whole thing. Leon and company killed it but I always remember Kathi McDonald from that show?

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    dww44 says:

    @MomSense: The danger of this view, and it is a big one IMO, is that we run the clock out with endless hearings while the WH threatens witnesses and withholds documents so that we end up in the fall of 2020 with nothing accomplished. Now That will hurt our electoral chances.

    I’d much rather we take the Mueller Report Road Map and proceed apace with its narrative and facts and be somewhere, say by the end of summer, where there is some real accountability for Trump and his White House on offer.. If we end up with nothing but a censure after having witnessed with my own eyes the lawlessness and norm breaking of this President, I will be more than miffed.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @MomSense: I’m guessing Morning Joe? If it is, I’m in awe of your fortitude in tuning in to that show.

    Even with Mika putting her foot down occasionally, like with Halperin, they invite on commentators I would rather holler at than listen to for even a minute. And it totally ruins my day when that happens. That’s the reason that no matter what time I’m up I don’t bother watching that crew. (That, & because I want to smack Scarbourough’s face off as soon as I look at him).

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    Jeffro says:

    While we are gushing over Warren (and rightly so) here’s a good reason – wait, 35 of them – why we don’t miss Andrew Cuomo: 35 Questions Americans Should Ask Themselves About Our Political Climate

    A masterpiece of (implied) both-siderism!

    1. Which came first, President Trump or the degradation of our political system: Which was the cause, and which was the effect?

    2. When did political debate become reduced to 280 characters on Twitter?

    3. When did the number of Twitter followers become the measure of political viability?

    4. How did an Instagram post come to command more respect and attention than a substantive policy presentation?

    5. How did “successful journalism” come to be defined by the number of clicks?

    6. When did we stop believing what we read in the press?

    7. When did cable news turn into the World Wrestling Federation, with each contender playing to its own cheering section?

    8. Why are the least informed, most unrealistic and most unreasonable political voices the loudest?

    9. When did the labor movement become viewed by some as the enemy of the middle class?

    10. When did this country, which once built the tallest buildings and longest bridges, forget how to build and allow itself to lose its global competitive advantage?

    11. When did we lose our confidence?

    12. Why is it that teachers, doctors, lawyers, hair stylists and plumbers need a license to do their jobs — but the job of president requires no qualifications or experience?

    13. Is campaign finance reform an oxymoron as long as rich corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals can still make unlimited “dark money” contributions?

    14. What happened to ideas that are good and sound rather than ideas that sound good but are unrealistic and infeasible?

    15. Does anyone remember the old saying about political candidates: “Before they tell you what they are going to do, ask them what they’ve actually done.”

    16. When did the greatest threat to America become other Americans, and when did diversity become our weakness rather than our strength?

    17. When did some people begin thinking anti-Semitism is tolerable?

    18. When did white supremacists become so emboldened that when they rally in our streets they no longer feel the need to cover their faces with hoods?

    19. When did Puerto Rico become a foreign country?

    20. When did the Democratic Party stop being a big-tent party?

    21. When did the political left become an enemy of the political left and the Democratic Party become a circular firing squad?

    22. When did we decide compromise was a bad word?

    23. When did our people stop believing our government can function as a force for good?

    24. When did people start running for office just so they could sell a book or to boost their business?

    25. When did we lose respect for our history and choose not to learn from it?

    26. When did we decide progressive posturing is more important than progress?

    27. When did Democrats get so caught up in hating the rich that they forgot about helping the poor?

    28. When did the struggling middle class begin believing that the Democratic Party had abandoned them and put its trust in the Republican Party?

    29. When did it become acceptable that high-ranking government officials lie all the time?

    30. If so many people are so frustrated, then why don’t more people vote?

    31. What happened to political courage?

    32. When did we lose our sense of humor?

    33. When did we get so angry?

    34. Where is the emergency exit for this theater of the absurd?

    35. Is it time that all Americans look ourselves in the mirror and ask if each of us is doing all we can to make a positive difference in our future?

    Andrew, just for asking numbers 2, 3, 6-9, 11, 13-16, 20-23, 26-28, 30, 31, 33, and 34…F.U.

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    NATIONAL POLL — Monmouth — April 23rd (link) — Prior polling in parentheses

    Biden…………………27% (28%)
    Wilmer……………….20% (25%)
    Buttigieg……………..8% (less than 1%)
    Harris…………………..8% (10%)
    Warren………………..6% (8%)
    Beto……………………..4% (6%)
    Booker………………….2% (5%)
    Hickenlooper………..2% (1%)

    Uncle Joe holding steady. MayorPete has the hot had. Wilmer and the rest have slid.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @tobie: Public schools in FL allowed kids to take community college courses back when I was in high school (when dinosaurs roamed the earth!). But now the really committed kids can earn associates degrees before HS graduation. I don’t think that was an option when I was in high school (not that I would have taken advantage of it — I was too busy skulking behind the bleachers smoking pot).

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    tobie says:

    @Kay: Where I live, the high schools simply don’t offer advanced instruction in a lot of subjects, so taking classes at community college or regular college is a life-saver for students who would otherwise be bored out of their mind sitting in classes that didn’t challenge them.

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    rp says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: These polls are still basically meaningless, but, nevertheless, that’s…not a good showing for Wilmer.

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    tobie says:

    @Betty Cracker: Yeah, I’m not sure I was that enterprising as a youth either.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    They know a ton about student debt because there’s a huge, national, government database on it so they can do elaborate mapping on where it is highest down to the city and county. And, like everything else in the United States, it harms minorities more than it does white people:

    Which is why the student debt forgiveness would be a game changer. That $50,000 is a house downpayment. It’s an investment in a startup company. It’s investment for retirement.

    As someone pointed out….

    White people don’t mind socialism, as long as it’s WHITE SOCIALISM.

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    Sab says:

    In Akron OH our schools have “early college” which means the better students can go to Akron U on public school dime. Theoretically great idea. Didn’t work out at all well for my granddaughter. She ran around downtown unsupervised with her boyfriend, flunked all her classes and landed back at her usual school where all the teachers who used to love her were royally pissed. She didn’t even make the cut for choir, where she had had solos the year before.

    That’s certainly going to reintegrate her into the school system. Grow up you stupid grownups. Urgh.

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    Another Scott says:

    ‘morning all.

    Nancy at WaMo – Booker could pull off surprise win in Iowa.

    Interesting…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    I feel like this is dangerous for them because the laws on national security/clearances are so draconian. I actually think it’s way too secretive and layered and excessive, it’s like they added and added without ever streamlining, probably to thwart transparency- but it was applied to Clinton, so it should be applied to Trump. This is real legal peril

    If it was good enough for all other Presidents, then it should apply to them.
    I trust the people whose job it is to determine IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO GET A SECURITY CLEARANCE. Democrat and Republican Administrations – they have a set of criteria that they look at…and IMO, it’s better to err on the side of caution. I don’t need any liberalization of rules when it comes to Security Clearances.

    While it’s EASY to look at Jared and Ivanka..that is not the forest. The Forest is that, at some time in this Administration..there were OVER THREE DOZEN PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T QUALIFY FOR A SECURITY CLEARANCE THAT WERE WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE. What percentage of WH Employees is that?

    Have, at any time, in American History, since we started doing Security Clearances on people…..HAVE THERE BEEN THAT MANY PEOPLE UNQUALIFIED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    I looked up and read his speech on the floor when he was one of the few Democrats to put the bankruptcy bill over the top and it’s fucking appalling. His justification was he was protecting “child support collection”. Child support is a priority debt in bankruptcy.

    I hope Warren nails him for it in the debates.

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    rikyrah says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    @rikyrah: And Cole provides these details for free.

    The man needs a reality show. It’s be the first I’d watch.

    I have said for forever that Casa Cole is a reality show waiting to be filmed.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Gelfling 545:

    @Elizabelle: I disagree that there’s no point. First, it’s not up to the House to do the Senate’s job. They can only do their own

    ICAM.

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    raven says:

    @Tenar Arha: Good thing tv’s have channel changers.

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    dww44 says:

    @MomSense: I’m so glad someone weighed in on this. Even worse than his hot take that it’sjust ridiculous for Democrats to consider impeachment and that Trump did NOT obstruct justice, he also predicted that by the end of May Theresa May will be gone and it’s likely Boris Johnson will be PM. Also that the Brexit movement will emerge victorious in the upcoming European elections. I pray that events will prove his predictions to be wrong. Morning Joe is mostly anti-Trump these days. I watched Joe during that Morgan interview. I don’t think he was buying it. Morgan is a conservative loon.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Twelve panicky tweets this morning from the Tweeter-in-Chief.

    Just like any innocent, relieved, “FULLY EXONERATED!” president* ready to do the people’s business would do, amirite? Absolutely.

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    MomSense says:

    @dww44:

    The problem is that we didn’t know how badly Rosentstein shivved us by how narrowly he constructed what Mueller could investigate. The Congress is going to have to conduct investigations.

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    catclub says:

    @Chyron HR: That economy has always stayed right at the same trend it was on under Obama.
    Obama was re-elected with 8% unemployment because things were getting noticeably (barely) better.
    Most people know that Trump has not done much for the economy – i.e. has not broken it – yet.

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    rikyrah says:

    Media Alert. Check your PBS Station for when this is going to come on.

    1A (@1a) Tweeted:
    “Over and over again, we see black business being knocked down by discrimination and racism in this country,” @StanleyNelson1 says.

    An example: Black Wall Street in Tulsa, OK was destroyed in nearly one day of white folks rioting against its success.

    https://t.co/0SXUJDqOmL https://twitter.com/1a/status/1119701521074020352?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    NYT Magazine (@NYTmag) Tweeted:
    The C.F.P.B. was created to protect Americans from predatory lenders after the financial crisis. President Trump’s new chief of staff took it apart on his way to White House. https://t.co/jEnL2QhhzE https://twitter.com/NYTmag/status/1119990197540806657?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    The charter movement is a scam all the way around, but, how they treat Special Needs Children is phucking CRIMINAL.

    Eliza Shapiro (@elizashapiro) Tweeted:
    Success Academy was put on a corrective action plan by NY for allegedly failing to provide services for students with disabilities. Today, the mother of a former student w/ special needs sued the charter network, alleging a “campaign of harassment” to get her child to leave https://twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1120374937036972032?s=17

    Eliza Shapiro (@elizashapiro) Tweeted:
    Among the accusations: Success called ACS twice to report that the mother suing Success today could not control her child. This triggered an NYPD investigation against the mother, and led to her 4th grade child being taken out of school and left at an NYPD precinct. https://twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1120376092647411712?s=17

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    tobie says:

    Catherine Rampell has an interesting op ed on how the Trump administration is now whining about not getting favorable trade deals with Japan after pulling out of TPP, in which Japan accepted terms favorable to the US because they felt that in the long run they had more to gain than lose from TPP. Canada and New Zealand farmers are evidently raking it in thanks to TPP. To be frank, I blame Trump as much as Sanders and Warren for demonizing this trade deal.

    The United States spent eight years negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). This 12-country Pacific Rim trade pact was partly designed to build an economic and diplomatic alliance that would keep China, which had been excluded from the deal, in check.

    But the United States’ objective was also to open up new markets for U.S.-made products, especially U.S. agricultural goods. A 2016 analysis from the International Trade Commission found that agriculture and food would be the U.S. sector that saw the greatest percentage gain in output growth as a result of the TPP.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    In other words, the NYT has no real problem with Sanders lying to them. They intend to stay on their knees. (MWO reference.)

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    Jinchi says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Wilmer……………….20% (25%)

    I know I’m going to regret asking this, but why do people refer to Bernie Sanders as Wilmer?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Jinchi:

    I know I’m going to regret asking this, but why do people refer to Bernie Sanders as Wilmer?

    There was a time when the mere mention of Bernie would have the trolls descend upon this place. We got tired of those muthaphuckas…so, someone started calling him Wilmer…and, we could discuss him in peaceful debate, BJ style, sans trolls.

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    L85NJGT says:

    @tobie:

    Trust busting is currently the hot policy solution among progressives. Certainly robust M&A reviews and a tighter regulatory environment are good governance. OTOH breaking up Fortune 50 companies? I’d like to see some evidence those decrees have ever benefitted the working class over das capital. And spare me the fantasy that it will restore mom and pop enterprise in fly over country.

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    Sab says:

    @rikyrah: What’s “ICAM”?

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    germy says:

    craigcalcaterra

    “Get an education. Better yourself!”
    (tuition triples, income stays flat)

    “Can’t afford college? learn a trade!”
    (spends 40 years busting unions, slashing benefits)

    “Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Start a business!”
    (supports healthcare system shackled to W2 work)

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    Kay says:

    @Sab:

    She ran around downtown unsupervised with her boyfriend,

    Some of us did this while in high school but NOT taking college courses :)

    I was a “chronic truant”. I used to feel hypocritical telling kids to go to school because I rarely went- too busy, sorry!- but then I realized they don’t care at all about my stories, and really want to talk about themselves. Which is good! Dodged that bullet.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    I think it means “I couldn’t agree more”

    Was waiting for an open thread for this, but screw it, I’m here now. If you’re on FB, go to Peter Frampton’s page and look and look for Donny Osmond wishing him a happy birthday (he’s 69!).

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    Ixnay says:

    @raven: @raven: Great links. Thanks. They led me to long interviews with Rita Coolidge on youtube. Another aural history into those days and the Mad Dogs tour. It was a revelation in H.S. to hear that stuff and try to copy it, well, and Steve Winwood too. (Mr. ixnay)

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    J R in WV says:

    @JGabriel:

    Trump:

    Today I have, as President, perhaps the greatest economy in history…

    Until the moment when the Persian Gulf is closed to tanker traffic by a war with Iran, which Trump appears bound to cause eventually, if just from allowing Bolton access to the levers of power. Or his Tariffs, or his trade poilicies, or, or….. whatever

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    stan says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    In court papers filed on Monday, FBI special agent David Gabriel said in a criminal complaint that in October 2017 the agency received reports a militia was being run out of Hopkins’ home in Flora Vista, New Mexico. When agents entered the home they collected nine firearms, ranging from pistols to rifles, Horton was illegally in possession of as he had at least one prior felony conviction, according to the complaint.

    The FBI said in court papers that in 2006, Hopkins was convicted of criminal impersonation of a peace officer and felony possession of a firearm, and that in 1996 he was also convicted on a firearms charge.

    Obviously the FBI thought he was just a “good guy” with a gun, and that’s why it took prosecutors a year and a half to file charges.

    Were he black, he’d have been shot to death three times by now

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    Kay says:

    .

    @AdamSerwer wins the 2019 Hillman Prize for Opinion & Analysis Journalism for his morally urgent and historically informed critiques of the Trump Administration and racism in America.

    I really like him as a writer and I never woulda found him but for Twitter. So Twitter haters. It’s very egalitarian! I read all kinds of people instead of the same over and over. Twitter is perfect for readers. Brief, but if you want to read the longer link, you can.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Same! I fretted about owning up to my awful behavior as a teen only to find kids are interested in right now. Whew!

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    L85NJGT says:

    @tobie:

    MAGAs believe that dumbing down = computers. In the good old days they used slide rules and did the machine work by hand. None of this CAD/CAM non-sense. I suppose there is a discussion to be had about analog vs. digital skills differences, and the social, economic and political dynamics this creates, but mostly my take away is that old people shouldn’t be setting industrial export policy.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I trust the people whose job it is to determine IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO GET A SECURITY CLEARANCE.

    @rikyrah: That person, at the end of the chain, is Donald J. Trump. The statutory power is his and his alone. And he can give them to anyone he wants.

    You don’t have to like it – and I don’t – but that is the law. Always was.

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    germy says:

    this plan to stop slapping people in the face is a slap in the face to all those who were slapped in the face— Alexandra Petri (@petridishes) April 22, 2019

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    primary will be at least in part about whether Democrats want a different brand of politics than the one Obama practiced … but don’t expect any to offer anything but glowing praise about former president

    I certainly expect the senator from Vermont to offer something other than glowing praise.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Major Major Major Major: a chance to test the theory that if Obama had shouted more, Blue Dogs and Republicans would have been more cooperative

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    Sab says:

    @Kay: But you didn’t go back to high school with your teachers furious.

    I love this girl. She is sweet and smart and kind and pretty. She has held her dysfunctional family together since she was four years old. I kid you not. That’s how long she has taken care of her parents (other peoples) babies.

    The school district sent her off to impossible freedom. (I was against it at the time, but I am just a nitwit adopted grandparent. Jon Snow knows more than me.) Then they got vindictive when she failed the impossible freedom test.

    Also, I wanted to get her into IB but my contact ( racist bitch) said she didn’t have and couldn’t acquire sufficient foreign language skills.

    Took the ACT with absolutely no prep and got 32 (95%).

    Akron schools. Always public. Always sorting and categorizing to get to where they want to be (white privilege that everyone else pays for.)

    I am white as driven snow and seventh generation in this midwest town and the treatment of this POC kid drives me nuts.

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    tobie says:

    @L85NJGT: Have MAGAs looked at farming these days? It’s all digitized. Sensors tell you the soil conditions and precipitation levels in just about every square foot of your farm. And your tractor comes equipped with a full bank of computers, so even sitting in a new combine harvester is no different than sitting at a desk.

    @L85NJGT: I agree that enforcement of anti-trust laws and other regulatory measures is super important but breaking up all Fortune 500 companies simply because they’re big is too crude a measure.

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    Feathers says:

    @Kay: My old school in Virginia is doing a few things right. They are keeping the college prep/AP program mostly in-house. They are developing specialized programs for kids who intend to go to college in a more vocational capacity. This includes a hands-on STEM program for bright kids who aren’t doing as well in their academic work as they could be. My nephew really enjoyed this program and after a gap year at a military-academy/college prep place is enrolling at a VA public university in an environmental science program. (Part of the reasoning for this was that this program really focuses on study skills, which he needed. Also, he was injured senior year, and competing in this schools track program got him back on the recruitment lists. And, no, I really don’t approve of athletes getting an easier track into college, even though it is working out for my nephew.) They also now have some teachers who teach at both the high school and the community college, so that students who may be struggling at the community college have a familiar face to talk to. Virginia is big on spending two years at community college, getting your associate degree and then transferring to one of the big state schools for your bachelors. A different niece, who had a terrible high school experience, blossomed at the community college, and is now off to “real” college.

    I remember reading about a study which showed that the cuts in state’s support for higher ed tracked the rise In prison spending to an eerie degree. This may have been 10 years ago. Anybody recall seeing these numbers more recently? This would be a good argument to make for both cutting prison spending and returning to full funding of higher ed.

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    @Jeffro:
    The answer to 20 and 27 is ‘Never, asshole.’ The answer to everything else is some variation of ‘This situation started slowly and accelerated as Republicans became more aware that white people are not going to hold absolute power forever.’

    @J R in WV:

    Or his Tariffs, or his trade poilicies

    I think we’ll hit that point this year, when the soybean crop doesn’t sell. The shock from people not getting the tax refund they expected might do it, but it’s too early for that data to be in.

    @Major Major Major Major:

    primary will be at least in part about whether Democrats want a different brand of politics than the one Obama practiced … but don’t expect any to offer anything but glowing praise about former president

    Because it would be insane to bitch about the greatest president in modern history, with the greatest accomplishments, whose mere election was a milestone most people never thought they would live to see, just because you’d like an angrier rhetorical approach than he used.

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    feathers says:

    @Feathers: Missed this: By encouraging community colleges, I mean Virginia guarantees a slot at one of the public universities if you get your AA with a high enough GPA. This is a lifesaver for kids who have a bad high school experience. Like my niece, who was an goth anime freak in a Taylor Swift school. It also provides a on ramp back into higher ed for people who realize later in life that they do need that BA. Heard about a group of empty nest SAHMs that are trying to find a church by the local community college to sponsor a sliding scale day care center for children of people going back to school. Apparently it is a good bit easier to start a church day care than a completely private one.

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    MomSense says:

    @Jinchi:

    So we don’t trip the Brat signal and end up with a bunch of obnoxious bros in the comments.

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    Kay says:

    @Sab:

    The school district sent her off to impossible freedom. (I was against it at the time, but I am just a nitwit adopted grandparent. Jon Snow knows more than me.) Then they got vindictive when she failed the impossible freedom test.

    I’m on a school committee and hearing their side of this has really changed my views. They can’t do everything. Other adults have to do their part, like you tried to do. I had to go in and take my son out of what I thought were too many college courses. One of the guidance counselors was on my side, the other was on his- it was stressful. He was pissed! Screaming at me. But you have to help the school, because they’re not actually raising the kids. It’s my job.

    My school really tried to get me to show up. They begged and pleaded and flattered and expressed all kinds of interest, but I was horrible and arrogant and had absolute contempt for them- it was my fault.

    Schools should and could be better but parents and other adults around kids could be better too. It takes a village, as we used to say back in the 90’s! :)

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    Sab says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Can’t sell the soybean crop because it got washed away in the floods.

    I am not sure that the trumpster farmers will figure out that they would have sold it if not for the tarriffs. Or that their market has dried up and gone to Brazil, which grows same stuff for lower prices.

    So much MAGA.

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    brantl says:

    @donatellonerd:

    She’s my preferred candidate, but yes, we would but most of the Democrats running meet that not high bar.

    That’s not a high bar, if you’re a democratic party candidate. It’s pretty lofty for the republican’ts

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    @Sab:
    That’s one Hell of a lot of money taken out of the economy, either way.

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    trollhattan says:

    @rikyrah:
    I can top that.

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    gene108 says:

    @L85NJGT:

    For-profit IT schools.

    I’m more along the lines of cosmetology schools, training to be a massage therapist, etc. These schools aren’t free, and costs can run a few thousand dollars, which is a lot for someone making minimum wage or who has kids, etc.

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    trollhattan says:

    Overheard at Buckingham Palace: “We are unenthused.”

    US President Donald Trump will make a three-day state visit to the UK from 3 to 5 June, Buckingham Palace has announced.

    The president and First Lady Melania Trump will be guests of the Queen and attend a ceremony in Portsmouth to mark 75 years since the D-Day landings. He will also have official talks with the prime minister at Downing Street. Mr Trump previously met the Queen at Windsor Castle when he came to the UK in July 2018 on a working visit.

    The White House said the upcoming trip would reaffirm the “steadfast and special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom”. The president was promised a state visit by Prime Minister Theresa May after he was elected in 2016 – but no date was set.

    Mrs May said June’s state visit was an “opportunity to strengthen our already close relationship in areas such as trade, investment, security and defence, and to discuss how we can build on these ties in the years ahead”. But shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry voiced concerns about the visit, saying: “It beggars belief that on the very same day Donald Trump is threatening to veto a United Nations resolution against the use of rape as a weapon of war, Theresa May is pressing ahead with her plans to honour him with a state visit to the UK.”

    What’s he going to gaffe?

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    @trollhattan:

    What’s he going to gaffe?

    Probably something along the lines about Her Majesty not being hot.

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    Kay says:

    I love that the Trump campaign believe that Jared and Ivanka are wildly popular. I’m not sure that’s true. Especially Jared. He’s like this mediocre, average douchebag you might meet in the course of any work day. That he runs US foreign policy is not actually proof of anything, since his father in law hired him.

    What is it they think is especially appealing or charismatic about these two? Is there anything at all to support this, other than fawning coverage by the political team at the NYTimes?

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    Kay says:

    Trump could actually become MORE unpopular with more Jared exposure. That’s more likely than not, really.

    They really want to remind people that Trump fills key positions with unqualified relatives who are not especially interesting or talented?

    Those two were probably at their height of popularity when they never spoke except thru pieces their publicists planted in the NYTimes. The real thing is most likely all downside. Oh, roll Jared out, daily. Please proceed. I’ll take that bet.

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    catclub says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The shock from people not getting the tax refund they expected might do it, but it’s too early for that data to be in.

    I have been wondering if they would RE-jigger the withholding tables to generate more refunds next april 15. I think they are stuck.
    The problem with that is that it will create a pay cut in today’s paychecks that will get noticed.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    What is it they think is especially appealing or charismatic about these two? Is there anything at all to support this, other than fawning coverage by the political team at the NYTimes?

    They keep trying to make them happen, especially her…and like the Birther Trophy Wife…nobody wants them!

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    Feathers says:

    @Kay: I think there were a fair number of Ivanka fans. I know I saw her as someone making the best of a bad situation. That may have been true at one point, but it hasn’t been for a while. She made her choice and now she is as tainted as he is. It’s horrifyingly fascinating. If Trump were at all self-aware, he’d have left her outside of his main orbit, so she could be an above the fray source of support and someone who could vouch for him.

    But of course, that never happened. Because, to overwork the GOT references, Trump is Joffery, and Ivanka is a generation switched Cersei wannabe. Has anybody else noted that all of Trump’s good years were the Ivana years?

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    gene108 says:

    @Kay:

    I feel like this is dangerous for them because the laws on national security/clearances are so draconian. I actually think it’s way too secretive and layered and excessive, it’s like they added and added without ever streamlining, probably to thwart transparency- but it was applied to Clinton, so it should be applied to Trump.

    The actual process for getting a security clearance is pretty straight forward. You are informed of warning signs that might adversely impact your application, such as excessive indebtedness, an unusually high number of foreign contacts, etc.

    Trump’s crew could not meet the requirements. Filling in an SF-86 is not a mysterious process. It’s really straight forward. Trump’s crew are crooks, who should not have clearances.

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    rikyrah says:

    Because you are a Black woman, and you know that you would never be taken seriously again, if you had said this😠😠

    Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) Tweeted:
    I am the same age as Mayor Pete and I would NEVER be able to run for president and say that I’ll fill you all in on my policy proposals later because it’s minutiae.

    WTF was that and I’m seriously asking?

    https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1120712492785786880?s=17

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @trollhattan:
    Theresa May promised Trump a state visit, and he’s bloody well getting a state visit, even if all of Britain comes out to throw rocks at him with the Queen herself leading the charge. May is persistent that way, just as she has been with Brexit.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    Exactly. The thing is, they are standard conventional Republicans. They seem to think they’re not -that they’re something different, Ivanka says some vapid nonsense about how she’s “practical”. They don’t know they’re standard east coast Republicans but that’s because they don’t know anything and they’re hugely privileged and coddled so they attribute special snowflake status to what are banal, average opinions. If Trump voters wanted standard, privileged rich Republicans they would have nominated Jeb Bush.

    Ivanka loves women! And business! She loves woman-business! Also- STEM! She’s Jeb Bush except much less accomplished and experienced.

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    trollhattan says:

    @catclub:
    IMO they’re standing pat because rejiggering the withholding schedules to correct values that preclude April 15 disasters means instant “paycuts” for everybody. They only think about the next 24 hours, tops, and reducing paychecks is bad under that worldview.

    We got shithammered, to the point of an under-withholding penalty.

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    cckids says:

    @catclub:

    I have been wondering if they would RE-jigger the withholding tables to generate more refunds next april 15. I think they are stuck.

    They are actually reworking the W-4; they want it more “accurate” so that the majority of people get no refund at all. It makes the W-4 a lot more complicated, and will be immensely unpopular- no matter how many times your tax adviser tells you not to loan the government money all year, lots of people like getting that refund check.

    The chances of Trump/Republicans getting an accurate share of blame for this are approximately zero.

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    tobie says:

    I found this to be a sweet reminder of how early we are in the primary process.

    Ariel Edwards-Levy
    ‏Verified account @aedwardslevy
    23h23 hours ago

    There are exactly four numbers you really need to know from this New Hampshire poll. Here they are:

    1. 9% of D primary voters have decided whom they’ll vote for

    2. 14% are leaning toward someone

    3. 77% have no damn clue.

    4. Just read 3 again.

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    bemused says:

    They believe they are entitled elitists. The disdain they have for 99.9% of humans just oozes out when they speak. They are special.
    Jared said the investigations and speculation on Russian campaign interference had a much bigger impact than a couple of FB ads. When asked why the campaign didn’t reject Russian attempts to get close to the campaign, he said “we didn’t know that Russia was doing what they were doing. The notion of what they were doing didn’t even register to us as being impactful.”
    I think they are deeply stupid people but who would believe that they were that clueless. They knew and didn’t care. They breathe, they lie.

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    jc says:

    @JGabriel: Another reason for Impeachment: the Mueller report is undoubtedly just the tip of the iceberg. Anyone who is paying attention can see that Trump’s malfeasance and corruption go far deeper. We haven’t even gotten to the tax returns or the money laundering or the selling secrets to the Saudis.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Theresa May promised Trump a state visit, and he’s bloody well getting a state visit, even if all of Britain comes out to throw rocks at him with the Queen herself leading the charge. May is persistent that way, just as she has been with Brexit.

    Some of this cannot be avoided. There is the 75th anniversary of D-Day and you could not really exclude an American president.

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    Kent says:

    @Brachiator: May and Trump deserve each other anyway.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    “Eisenhower was a punk. I could have won the whole thing in a month.” //

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @trollhattan: @Amir Khalid: On the eve of D-Day’s 75th anniversary, Dump will call the fucking Nazis “very fine people” and say he would’ve done the Normandy landings better. He’ll also probably ask why the Allies invaded France and overran the country.

    I’ve feared the embarrassment and insults for over a year that will result from this moron being in office on June 6, 2019.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    Media Alert. Check your PBS Station for when this is going to come on.

    Thanks for the tip on this.

    I still haven’t had time to finish watching the Reconstruction series.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Kay: Stealing fashion designs and running sweatshops is an accomplishment?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kent:

    May and Trump deserve each other anyway.

    I think that Boris Johnson is more Trump’s kind of guy. And Trump and Nigel Farage have previously pledged their mutual love. They have a deep fondness for lying and bigotry in common.

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    Tazj says:

    @bemused: So believable, considering that Trump Tower meeting and the continued contact throughout the campaign by Don Jr. himself, with Wikileaks.

    This is why we need the investigative hearings televised in prime time. Maybe they won’t be followed like the Watergate hearings but more people will the extent of the Trump administration’s corruption.

    The media is doing a poor job of informing people so far. On NPR a short time ago they stated that the report found no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government(leaving out the campaign’s numerous suspicious contacts and the lying and obstruction) and stated that the report just stopped short of exonerating Trump on obstruction. That was a poor and misleading summary of the Mueller report.
    Our local NBC affiliate also did a poor job summarizing the report. They called the report confusing.

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    bemused says:

    @Tazj:

    I agree we really need to have as many hearings televised as possible. Polls did change, not in trump’s favor, after Mueller report so the more exposure, the better.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jinchi:
    You can’t take what she says out of context.
    It just doesn’t work that way. When she says it is vital to the meaning and understanding.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Tazj:

    Our local NBC affiliate also did a poor job summarizing the report. They called the report confusing.

    Perhaps they have no one capable of reading such a document? Or even of reading someone else’s summary of such a document? Some of them can’t spell spel, after all.

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    BroD says:

    I’m on Warren’s bandwagon. There may be some electibility concerns (idk) but she’s smart, competent and right on the issues. PLUS, I trust her to do the right thing if it becomes apparent that she’s not going to be the nominee.

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