Late Night Election 2020 Open Thread: Go Home, Moulton, You’re High on Your Own Supply

As I’ve said before, Seth Moulton would be a perfectly adequate ‘Rockefeller Republican’ candidate, if only such a creature still existed, even in the toniest MA exurbs. And if he’d chosen to run in the GOP primary — maybe as Bill Weld’s VP — I might even have sent him a few bucks. But as it is, well…

81 replies
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    Jerzy Russian says:

    I don’t mind if he runs as long as he does not trash other Democrats and shuts the fuck up after his candidacy goes down in flames.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jerzy Russian: I can live with that.

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    opiejeanne says:

    More like Miracle Whip.

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    Mike in NC says:


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    opiejeanne says:

    @Jerzy Russian: Hopefully within a couple of weeks.

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    plato says:

    Is white penis even a real thing?

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    Mary G says:

    Lord give me the confidence of a mediocre white man.

  8. 8
    plato says:

    Really? peeneez in its original form in a tweet is ok but not so in a post?

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @plato: Front-pagers get special exemption from the spam filter. (And, while I freed your original comment, I’m not sure the content was worth the effort.)

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    NotMax says:

    What does one call negative momentum?

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    Jay says:



    White rice?

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    KithKanan says:

    @NotMax: Joementum?

    ETA: Not that I think Moulton can manage anything close to a three way tie for third place in any of the primaries.

  13. 13
    Jay says:


    Egg white?

    Unfavoured gelatine?

    Vanella Jello?

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    NotMax says:



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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: Just step back from the tapioca jokes.

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    Plato says:

    @Anne Laurie: Thanks? The blog’s intellectualness standard demanded it.

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    Steeplejack says:



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    Amir Khalid says:

    That’s what the white guys say, and as you know they’re all full of crap.
    ETA: //

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    NotMax says:


    Bingo. Give the man from Virginia a kewpie doll.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Interesting that he’s not running again for Congress. At this time.

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    Sebastian says:

    Memo to self: never get in a situation where PopeHat creates multiple names for you.


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    Amir Khalid says:

    With any luck, this man’s political career might come to a premature — for him — end.

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    Plato says:

    When his campaign crashes and burns, will it be the molten moment?

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Interesting that he’s not running again for Congress. At this time.

    After he got scorched for his failed coup against Madame Pelosi, a number of potential Dem challengers let it be known they’d be more than happy to run against him. His district is RINO-friendly — it’s where financial people who want to own horses & still commute to Boston live — but the memory of ‘fiscally conservative, socially liberal’ Repubs grows dimmer with every election.

    This being MA, Seth doesn’t have to file papers for re-election until relatively late in the cycle, and I’m sure he’s got the relevant dates marked on his calendar just in case.

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    So lemme get this straight. The front pagers get pen1s whenever they want, whilst we lowly jackals have to make do with whatever peeniz substitutes we can come up with? I feel cheap and used.

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    Jay says:

    @John Revolta:

    It is a full service blog.

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    NotMax says:

    @John Revolta

    The front pagers get pen1s whenever they want



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    ruemara says:

    @Mary G: I really could use a dose of that.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @plato: You can write penis in the comment section if you master this one weird trick.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    There needs to be a Balloon Juice betting pool on when and how Seth Moulton says/does the stupid thing that sends him crashing out of the race for POTUS, with the proceeds going to an animal shelter* of the winner’s choice.

    *Or other presidential candidate

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    @NotMax: Not fair — I personally like Tapioca. Not so much Seth.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: Ahem. Aren’t betting pools haram? Or are you suggesting that *we* have a betting pool while you stand and watch?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Jay: White rice can be rescued. wonder bread cannot.

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    eemom says:

    Can’t we go back to that Starbucks dude? At least you could mocha him. 🤣🤣🤣

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    Mel says:

    @Elizabelle: Isn’t it, though?

    I’m as put off by his awkward, not-so-subtly sexist pandering and his attempts to bill himself as a hipster “disruptor” as I am by the fact that he looks like a bit like the love child of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

    Take a look at the photo from the Buzzfeed link in the post. Do you see it? Now that I’ve seen it, he’s likely to people my nightmares along with Cruz in his mime gear.

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    Jay says:


    White rice here is saved for SWMBO’s Thai cooking and Sushi.

    Everything else is brown rice.

    Sometimes toasted before cooking.

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    Jay says:


    Mime gear or bondage gear?

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    Damien says:

    Serious question: is Seth Moulton literally delusional?

    I’m listening to his interview with Rachel Maddow and I sincerely cannot even.

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    Sab says:

    Seth Moulton is taking attention away from Tim Ryan. What a loss.

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @Sab: and people wonder why every challenger to Madame Speaker goes down in flames.

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    Jay says:


    The bar for medicocre wipple is low, very, very low.

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    Sab says:

    @BlueDWarrior: I wish Ryan would go down in flames in a way that got us in his district a new Congresscritter.

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    prob50 says:

    So this is what, a “Vanity Candidacy”?

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    Mel says:

    @Jay: No, no, no!! Don’t ruin a good imaginary cat o’ nine tails by association with the Slime Mime!
    And with that thought, I must now go gouge out my eyes. Oh, the horror!

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    prob50 says:

    @NotMax: Hey, I LIKE Tapioca. My Mom useta make it back when I was little – poured it into special little dessert cups and then chilled them in the fridge. Comfort food for me today.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Skipping politics for tonight in order to be in a great mood to watch the first episode of Gentleman Jack was a brilliant move on my part. If you got HBO for GOT you also get this show. Based on a real person and just wonderful. I loved it. Tie it into the thread? Sure: White pen1s keeps ruining her love life!

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    Sab says:

    Does that cute gray tuxedo cat in SanJose in the earlier thread have a new potential home yet?

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    eclare says:

    @VeniceRiley: I saw that listed, but I hadn’t heard anything about it, no actors doing the late night shows, etc. Thanks for the recommendation!

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    eclare says:

    @Sab: Yes, in Denver where he would be an only child. I offered, but this sounds much better.

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    Jay says:


    Think gimp, trunk, Pulp Fiction,

    Not cat o’ nine tails or assless chaps.

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    Sab says:

    @eclare: That’s good to hear. He seems to be an exceptional cat.

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    Mel says:

    @VeniceRiley: Thanks much for the suggestion! I didn’t know HBO had a show about Lister in the works, and it looks really good! On top of all the other interesting things she did, she was a serious mountaineer – the first woman to scale Mt. Perdido (third highest peak in the Pyrenees).

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    Mel says:

    @Sab: That is happy news! Sweet senior kitties are the best, and he sounds like such an affectionate, people-focused little guy,

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    The Lodger says:

    @NotMax: Moultmentum!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Mel: Why am I persecuted?!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Three-way deathmatch – Moulton, Biden Wilmer?

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    Sab says:

    @Mel: Rehoming senior cats is a problem, not because of them , but because of everyone else.

    My Dad’s cat moved in with my Dad ten years ago. He was a stray adopted into our neighbors very neglectful home. He preferred Dad’s house. I told him at the time that moving in with an 84 year old guy was possibly not the best career move. He ignored me.

    Eight years later, after my Mom had died and we moved my Dad into a nursing home the cat’s life isn’t what he wants. But he still has a home and food, and a family who loves him ( with a clowder of cats who don’t) and he had eight years as the center of my Dad’s world.

    Beats sitting outside in subzero weather because your adoptive family has out-of-town visitors who don’t like cats.

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    VeniceRiley says:


    Thanks much for the suggestion! I didn’t know HBO had a show about Lister in the works, and it looks really good! On top of all the other interesting things she did, she was a serious mountaineer – the first woman to scale Mt. Perdido (third highest peak in the Pyrenees).

    Really? Wow! I know next to nothing about her, but am excited to find out. Nevermind the actor playing her is just incredibly sexy to my lez eye. Plus I love period costume drama expertly done by the Englsh

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    premature — for him — end.


    @VeniceRiley: FTF NY Times gave Gentleman Jack a great review. And a previous article about its writer/co-director, Sally Wainwright (Last Tango in Halifax), who has long been interested in Anne Lister’s journals. Show is 17 years in the making.

    Had never heard of Ms. Lister, and what an ahead of her time woman. Hoping it comes to Netflix or AmazonPrime eventually (no HBO).

    Aha. Oprah magazine spotlights the show as well, with excellent links to further information about Anne and her country estate, etc.

    Such a dreary time to be a woman. (And not even the “Victorian” era yet.) I am glad to hear of anyone who surmounted the challenges, and it’s usually someone unconventional.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mel: Had no idea she was a mountaineer too.

    Look forward to reading more about Ms. Lister.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @Elizabelle: The thing to do is give up netflix for a couple months for HBO so you can get this and GOT then drop it and go back to Netflix. I’m going to start doing that sort of thing more and more.

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    Sab says:

    @Elizabelle: @Elizabelle: What time of day is it for you? My guess is about 10 am?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Sab: Your guess is excellent. 9:58 am.

    Sipping a final coffee and then to get in a walk. Glorious weather for several days now in Bavaria. Was in Nurnberg for the Easter market on Saturday. Sunday we discovered that my friend’s new tiny town has a lot to offer with walks, a parcourse, and a closeby restaurant that she likes (she is picky). Really a charming little place.

    MSNBC on in the breakfast rooms; unfortunately it’s always Chris Matthews for me, but good to see the Mueller report is front and center.

    Shoes gonna be dropping for months and months.

    ETA: I want a piano, safe, tons and tons of stuff to fall on Trump, Mitch McConnell, Justice Kennedy, all the bad actors. Investigate, investigate, investigate.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @VeniceRiley: I’m still not even on Netflix! But enjoy it when hotels and friends have it.

    Still barely using Amazon Prime. But thanks for the suggestion. It’s a good one.

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    Sab says:

    @Elizabelle: Hope so, re dropping shoes. Spouse and I, politically aligned, shrieking at each other constantly about when shoes drop. Most contentious time in my 19 year marriage, and we are basicaly on the same side. When will we impeach?

    I blame Republicans for endangering my marriage with their misbehavior.

    So Europeans who watch America see MSNBC not Faux. Misleading but heartening.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Sab: Am on a military base this month, so am heartened to see MSNBC on. It is preferred to CNN here, at least by the staff that sets the TV controls.

    Nancy Pelosi knows what she is doing. Investigate, investigate, investigate. Pressure will build for impeachment. Make it a tough vote for Republican senators NOT to impeach. Time is in our favor. It is not in Republicans’, or Trump’s, as awful as stuff may happen in the interim. Dog knows what Barr has planned next, but at least there is no longer the (never earned) presumption that he is a neutral actor.

    I am more and more interested in Justice Kennedy, in Citizens United, on WHY the money spigot to Republicans dried up in 2018 midterms. It’s not just the NRA, although glad to see them in fits. Look at them all. Investigate the Mercers. Let it all come out.

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    polyorchnid octopunch says:

    @Jay: Basmati rice is awesome. Fight me.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I think it mitigates the sin a bit if you’re not playing for personal gain.

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    Chris says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    Absolutely this.

    Unfortunately, the fact that his first act in Washington was to try and kick out Pelosi doesn’t sound like a promising start.

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    Chris says:


    I have a different view. I don’t think there’s any chance in hell that Republicans will impeach no matter what, because I don’t think there’s a chance in hell of enough Republican voters supporting it. I support continuous investigations all the same, partly on general principle but partly because the simple drip drip drip background noise has an impact on low infos. This is what hurt Hillary Clinton the most, and it’ll do the same here. Make sure John Q. Citizen can’t turn in the news any day between now and 2020 without hearing some version of “Trump investigated,” “Trump scandal,” “Trump corruption” and whatnot.

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    prob50 says:


    I want a piano, safe, tons and tons of stuff to fall on Trump, Mitch McConnell, Justice Kennedy, all the bad actors. Investigate, investigate, investigate.

    Sounds like a job for The Road Runner. Beep-Beep.

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    gvg says:

    @Jay: And did not give credit.

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    L85NJGT says:

    Did he position himself as a rockafella republican? His CV is security state drone. One with bad parliamentary skills, and seemingly not interested putting in the time on the career grind.

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    TD says:

    This is the lesson we learned from Trump- reduce your opponent to one vulgar trait and harp on it over and over? We learned from the Tea party that it’s better to hound out people who win in favor of the more pure who lose? He challenged Pelosi and she had a public victory that showcased how really good she is at this. And he’s a Democrat representing a Republican county. If you don’t want to vote for him, don’t. If you like someone better, talk them up.

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    Ruckus says:

    Negative momentum is called seth.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    Seth gets all happy when you say premature. It’s a strange response to such a common occurrence for him.

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    Harbison says:

    Seth Moulton will probably not win the primary.

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    Ruckus says:

    The EW thread above this one is borked for me. Opens with half the screen blacked out and does nothing.

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    DonkeyKong says:

    Seth Moultan is the type of replicant Harrison Ford wouldn’t bother hunting down and “retiring”

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