Election 2020 Open Thread: Kamala Harris Wows the Granite Staters

And this moment deserves all the virality it’s gonna get!

There are people of color in New Hampshire, at least around the major college campuses (& the MA border)…

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    West of the Rockies says:

    That’s my senator!!!

    She is fabulous. The looks on those girls’ faces… Harris has Obama’s sense of hope, humility, honesty, and intelligence.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    Harris remains my favorite so far, and I’m glad to see she’s getting this kind of very positive reception. The girls in that first video LOVE her and Kamala is incredibly charming.

    And then there’s her policies. ;)

    And necessary disclaimer: I like most of the Dem candidates too. Just not as much as Harris, with Warren as a close second.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Yup, Harris and Warren.

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    rikyrah says:

    The clip with the young ladies😢😢

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Harris and Warren really do seem to be the whole package, honestly

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    Mike in NC says:

    Senator Harris is outstanding, but don’t think for a second that there is less toxic misogyny in this country today than there was a mere four years ago.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: Did she ask permission before she touched them? Biden’s campaign team wants to know if this double standard is going to be addressed.//

    I’m honestly being sarcastic. I also honestly hope no one on Biden’s campaign is currently watching the clip thinking about how to turn it into an oppo ad about how handsy Senator Harris is. Or the President’s…

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    Prometheus Shrugged says:

    @West of the Rockies: It will be down to these two after Super Tuesday. Harris will win by a huge margin in California and will surprise in Texas and North Carolina. She will also have won South Carolina. Warren will take Massachusetts and Virginia. Whoever wins the remaining slog will have earned it. Either is fine by me.

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    MomSense says:

    She’s my fave.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mike in NC:
    There may be the same amount. But we the public voted for the woman running and gave her around 5% more votes than the ass in office. That’s not toxic misogyny. Not everything the founders did was great.

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    westyny says:

    @Prometheus Shrugged: I hope you’re right. Let it be so.

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    MCA1 says:

    She’s f’in great. My first reaction to that video with the young women was “OMG she’s a human being! With a sense of humor and a smile and a natural way of interacting with other humans! What a contrast to the miserable shit inhabiting the People’s House right now.” But then I thought, well, anyone would come off that way compared to Needy Amin. So I watched it again, and, no, initial impression holds. She just comes off as someone you both want to see succeed, and want to follow. It does remind me a little of PBO. That is some serious common touch there, and she’s not in any way being a “politician.” She’s just connecting with younger people and offering life advice, and it’s good advice.

    And the amazing thing is, she’s not the only one in this race on the Dem side about whom you can say those things. We’re blessed, if we can avoid fucking it up and circular fire squading it and all.

    I’m kind of looking forward to the general election, when everyone will get to see the contrast between revanchist miserable paranoid NPD sociopathy and actual functioning not broken human being. I think it’s going to be in even sharper relief than in 2016 because the mood of the country is “JFC, just make it stop already with this constant parade of degradation and degeneracy.”

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Prometheus Shrugged:

    I hope you’re right. I think they’d be a formidable 1-2 ticket, but I think having one of them remain a standing senator would perhaps be more valuable than VP. YMMV.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    That’s my senator! Great, positive energy. Go Kamala!

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    tobie says:

    Good luck to her. Harris is not my top choice but I would be happy to support her in the general.

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    hitchhiker says:

    All I know is we need to light up the youngs for this election.

    Millennials, or America’s youth born between 1982 and 2000, now number 83.1 million and represent more than one quarter of the nation’s population. Their size exceeds that of the 75.4 million baby boomers, according to new U.S. Census Bureau estimates released today. Overall, millennials are more diverse than the generations that preceded them, with 44.2 percent being part of a minority race or ethnic group (that is, a group other than non-Hispanic, single-race white).

    And that doesn’t even count the generation behind them (“Z”, I guess) whose oldest members will be voting in their first presidential election in 2020.

    They’re going to decide, imo, who the nominee is, and speaking as an old, I want them to. All of them are old enough to remember that the USA used to have the amazing Obama family in the White House. And they loathe trump in even bigger numbers than any other generation.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    …she “fully intends to win this election,”

    When Kamala says she can win, I believe her.

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    Ruckus says:

    My ideal ticket would be Abrams/Harris.
    But as Abrams isn’t running I’ll take Harris/Abrams and keep Warren in the senate. One less seat to have to win there and she can get a lot of stuff done if we could take the senate because she’s got great ideas about legislation.

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    Omners Omnibus says:

    But she has an optimism about her, a happiness alongside it.

    This is a big thing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @hitchhiker: They won’t. Counting on younger voters to actually vote in sufficient numbers to make a difference is a fool’s errand.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omners Omnibus: You may want to double check how you’re spelling your nym.

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    GregB says:

    In related news, earliest push poll I ever received, yesterday for Tulsi Gabbard.

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    piratedan says:

    you see the money being raised and the enthusiasm with filled rallies and speaking engagements and I begin to wonder, just who in the hell are these pollsters calling? It sure as hell ain’t these people.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Good call.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    My ignorance of the world is vast but there’s a reason I’ve always been a lefty.

    The music is far better for one.

    As are the flags.

    I can’t do the proper accent marks, but …

    No Pasaran!

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    Raoul says:

    @hitchhiker: “Overall, millennials are more diverse than the generations that preceded them, with 44.2 percent being part of a minority race or ethnic group”
    This is the barn door the GOP is desperately and with destructive intent trying very quickly to slam shut. Repubs must fail at this!

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    Mai Naem mobile says:

    Kamala Harris’ sister Maya is pretty damn impressive as well. Also too, Barack Obama’s sister’s name is also Maya. Also, both had strong independent mothers.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I’m not so sure about that conventional wisdom. Every person I know or see from 18-25 has a phone and is on it constantly. Sure they are not necessarily involved in politics but they do see the economy, they do see how much school costs, they do hear about the shithead in the oval and many of them do actually talk to other people. That may or not cause them to vote on our side but they are connected, even if that connection is not exactly like reading BJ 12 times a day. The kids with the marches, they did that in what 2 weeks or something like that. There are a lot of motivated young adults and I’d bet that many are as motivated as the kids that age were in my day, when being 18 and male meant the draft, in one way or another.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I’m Team Kamala, but am watching Warren on Colbert right now and am impressed.

    The obvious question, of course, is why I’m watching tv and not preparing for court tomorrow. Er, later today. Because reasons, that’s why.

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    MomSense says:


    I think the contrast is part of why’ve harris will be successful. According to the presidential pendulum hypothesis, we tend to choose opposities. She is absolutely trump’s opposite. From corruption, lying, bullying, and criminal conduct to a prosecutor who tells us to hold onto truth and to care for each other. She focuses on making the economy fair after we’ve watched a nepotistic administration use the office to self deal.

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    Suzanne says:

    I’m so into Harris. I listened to her interview on Pod Save America last week, and she is just the entire package: smart, funny, relatable, charming.

    I have been increasingly impressed by Warren, too.

    Bitches get stuff done.

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    Ruckus says:

    They aren’t calling me, that’s for sure.
    I under stand it’s land lines but then most people I know don’t have one of those. And I don’t get the concept there either, I get calls from bullshit scams and I haven’t had a land line for over a decade. I’d bet they are calling people that have answered polling calls before, looking for a good hit rate. Some pollsters are probably calling people who have positively answered their polls before, so they get the results they want.

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    joel hanes says:


    push poll for Tulsi Gabbard

    Boy, I’d love to get one of those and answer it.

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    hitchhiker says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In the midterm their turnout went from the abysmal 20% to 36%.

    We won at least some of those races because of them. They also have daily exposure of AOC, one of their own, looking like a person who can make shit happen.

    I might be hopelessly naive in my dotage, but this one feels different. Their number one issue is climate change, and we might get some extra turnout points out of that.

    I think this is the real reason to be interested in Mayor Pete — not that I think he should win, but that I think he embodies the idea that it’s time for this generation to take seriously that they have the numbers that can translate to actual power. We’re not begging them to help us, in other words. We’re telling them to recognize that it’s their table to run if they want it.

    Different message, different reality.

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    Harris has been my first choice for a while now. I love Warren, but she’ll be 70 this year, and I want somebody younger. Also, she’s a minority, and I think the Democratic Party should be nominating minorities whenever we can. Lastly, she’s from California, and I’d really like to see some people in the presidency who are from somewhere other than the northeast, the south or the midwest.

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    She and Warren on my short list.

    People underestimate Harris and their peril. She’s good and she’s been quietly building out an extensive ground game in key states.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Lastly, she’s from California, and I’d really like to see some people in the presidency who are from somewhere other than the northeast, the south or the midwest.

    Nixon and Reagan were from California. Just saying.

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    Prometheus Shrugged says:

    @West of the Rockies: True, but of the states that can afford to lose Democratic senators, California and Massachusetts are pretty high on the list.

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    ThresherK says:

    OT: San Jose, in a game 7 hosting Vegas, scored four in a row and now lead 4-3 with five minutes remaining.

    The kicker: All four goals were scored on a five-minute major.

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    HumboldtBlue says:



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    Damn I’m torn here. I still think we need a white guy on the ticket to bring in the South etc. but when I look at Harris and Warren I want ’em both!!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Raoul: Yep, last month’s Harvard IOP survey made that very, very clear.

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    ThresherK says:

    @HumboldtBlue: Seriously.

    But that’s nott the latest: And now Vegas has tied it up with under a minute to play.

    I would not pull anyone’s leg about a game seven. Especially as my Avs play the winner.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruckus: @hitchhiker: I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but the historical trend is that they’ll say they’re enthused, they’ll be enthused, they won’t vote. 2018 saw historic turnout in this age group at 30% plus give or take a tick. That’s not going to cut it against every a plurality to the majority of white baby boomers voting to protect their right to use up everything and fuck everyone else.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: @HumboldtBlue: I sent this to a close friend of mine who, like me, is also a hockey fanatic just as the Knights were starting their power play:

    I’m sending this now in real time as you’re asleep and won’t believe any of this. At the 11 minute mark with the Knights leading 3 to 1 in the 3rd period, there was a face off at the right face off circle in the Knights end. Eakin was facing off against Pavelski. For whatever reason, Eakin went high with his stick in an almost cross check across Pavelski’s upper chest to neck, which put Pavelski on his heels trying to maintain his footing. Stasny was moving to contact with Pavelski to clean him out of the face off so that Eakin could maneuver and when he made contact Pavelski corkscrewed in the air, landed on his left shoulder followed by his head. Eakin got a 5 minute major and a game misconduct. As soon as the power play started Couture scored six seconds in. 39 seconds later Hertl scored. With 81 seconds left in the penalty Couture scored again. With 51 seconds left in the penalty LaBlanc scored. Fleury is pissed at his defense and the Sharks now lead 4-3. The Sharks started the 5 minute major like they were out for blood. They put the Knights on their back feet, got them wrong footed, and have just skated all over them for the past five straight minutes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen five minutes like this before in a hockey game. This is four goals in under the five minutes in the five minute major power play.

    Also, the Knights have been charged their time out, though their coach has told the refs he didn’t call one as their was a stoppage for debris on the ice.

    The good news was they got Pavelski off the ice largely under his own power, though he was clearly rocked by both the hits and the landing. Stasny wasn’t penalized because he was already underway to deliver a clean check when Eakin for whatever stupid reason he had decided “fuck it, if I can’t win the puck, I’m gonna clothesline this guy with my stick”. As I hit send, LaBlanc has gone to the penalty box with 3:39 left for hooking. Vegas has taken their time out, and the Knights are getting ready to go back on the power play.

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    Gretchen says:

    I’m wondering if Harris/Warren (in either permutation) would have an Obama/Biden synergy.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ThresherK: Original Six or GTFO!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: I have my 2002 Patrick Roy official home jersey ready to go!

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    ThresherK says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, Colorado are just my “side chick”. I am waiting for the Quebec Nordiques to come back.

    PS I come from Connecticut, where the Whalers merch outsells all hockey teams which have played in this millenium.

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    prob50 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s not going to cut it against every white baby boomer voting to protect their right to use up everything and fuck everyone else.

    In which case they will share ownership of the ensuing crapfest with those boomers. I truly hope this doesn’t happen.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    Harris has my vote right now and I hope she gets a shot at the general. The others just don’t get my attention and Bernie can just go away. Please.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The only original six team left is Boston.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: As is the close friend I referenced in comment #46.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I think Abrahms has tremendous potential, but I think either a term as governor or in the HofR or Senate (on the federal level) would help. Harris and Warren have that. As ever, opinions differ.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Did I misstate the “4 goals on the 5-minute major” thing? Sorry. I try to be more accurate than Maggie Haberman.

    Frankly I wasn’t paying too much attention to the game on in the background–watching a livestream of newborn kittens–because Vegas looked secure in a 3-0 lead. Hah!

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    You do understand that I’m a white male baby boomer and you just told me I’m voting for Trump. Which is fucking bullshit.
    Can we stop with the categorization of all boomers being conservative assholes. Some of us are liberal assholes.
    What I’m saying is that things have a possibility of being different. That the world isn’t the same as it was even 2 yrs ago and certainly not the same as it was even 11 yrs ago. The youngest people voting next year will have been born in this century. They spent almost half their lives under President Obama. The rest was under two of the shittiest presidents in my life and I was born in the first half of the last century. It ain’t the same place.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I’m glad that Schultz appears to be sputtering like a broken percolator.

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    prob50 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen five minutes like this before in a hockey game. This is four goals in under the five minutes in the five minute major power play.

    I think the Kings did something similar against the Red Wings a few years back. Maybe not a 5-spot, but several game-changing goals during a 5-minute major,

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    @Omnes Omnibus: St. Ronnie’s political career was built in CA, he was twice elected Governor; he was from Illinois. Nixon was from California.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh, what could have been were the Nordiques able to get Roy. Of course the Canadiens would never allow that in the “Holy War” of hockey.

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s not going to cut it against every white baby boomer

    Excuse me?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    We’ll get it right eventually. Just you watch.

    Warren or Harris, Harris or Warren, I see value with either and they’re lapping the field IMHO. Of the…uh…[counts] nineteen the majority are dead flowers and an additional quarter are hothouse flowers. Let the winnowing commence.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ThresherK: FWIW, I saw Gordie Howe play for the Whalers back in maybe 1977.

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    My Side of Town says:

    Well, two great women on the ticket. That would be my ideal (suck it repubs). From a old white boomer (that despite that) keeps voting in the 45% of old white boomers voting against repubs, and always will. Which we need. Got an email from a classmate who voted Trump today, indicating he has switched sides, which is encouraging.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: No worries, I didn’t post that as some bizarre form of hockey pedantry.

    I was sort of listening at that point while reading comments here as I figured the game was basically over. Fortunately, the DVR is a miracle device.

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    trollhattan says:

    Believe the proper expression is “Exsqueeze me?!?” Garth.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruckus: You know what you’ve done and will do…//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @prob50: That’s about the closest example that I think can be found.

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    Some of us are liberal assholes.

    Amen, brother.

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    prob50 says:

    @Ruckus: Thank you for speaking up for the rest of us liberal boomer assholes. I was born in 1950 and have only voted for one repub in my life – Dick Riordan for Mayor here is Los Angeles, and I make no apologies for that. He happened to be the best candidate in that election and was a pretty decent mayor.

    FYI – Harris rocks. I will vote for whoever the Dems nominate, but I’d really be jazzed to see her become President.

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    @trollhattan: Dude, I’ve got the fake arrow though my head, it’s “Exxcuuusss Meeee”.

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    J R in WV says:

    Born in ’50, guess that makes me a boomer.

    Never voted for a Republican in my voting life!

    Have donated to Senator Harris already!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Don’t try to weasel your way out of Reagan. If Illinois gets to claim (at least a share of) Obama, you fuckers have to own Ronnie. Lincoln was born in Kentucky fwiw.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: Of course not. I was watching the last game he played for the Habs. It was on cable and I remember when he finally got pulled, after being bombarded with no assistance from the team in front of him, him skating to the bench angrily, his mask perched on his head, and telling the coach that was it, he wanted a trade, and he’d never go back on the ice for him again. There were also a number of French expletives included in there. You could clearly read his lips to see what he was saying. He was traded to the Avs within days.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: You know what you’re going to do to.//

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    Ruckus says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    I’ve seen three natural leaders in my life, all of them up close. Abrams gives me the same level of leadership as those 3. I agree that it wouldn’t hurt her to get a bit more time but she’s had 10 yrs in the GA house, which couldn’t have been a walk in the park. Listening to her I think she’s ready. And that’s also the reason Harris is my pick if I can’t have Abrams, she is a natural leader and knows how to get things done. She does that by being smart, by listening, by her viewpoint and by being professional, which means she wants to do the job she is applying for and do it well and is qualified and can lead. That really is the whole package. I just like Abrams a bit better because it feels like she’s talking to me, treating me like an equal. I really am splitting hairs here.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, but I won’t make that gesture on a family blog such as this one.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Tell that to the FIBs.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I should note that we have a highway here named for Obama, he did spend two years in college here.

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    trollhattan says:

    Ooh, wrong meme. I sit corrected!

    BTW, saw the Martins–Steve and Short–live last year and they were hilarious. Steve was good old Steve while Short was much funnier than I had realized. Go, if you get the chance.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    How the hell do you know what I’ll do, I’ve been here going on 70 yrs (very, very soon) and I have little idea what I’m doing. Just trying unsuccessfully to not be that asshole and be a better person. Which of course is hard to do and easy to accomplish, if taken in order. Most days any more I just wish for it to be mostly pain free and to be able to sleep a bit once in a while and not fall over for no reason. Being able to get my key in the door on a day with bad tremors is a good day for me.

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    Mary G says:

    One thing that has me happy is the fact that there are multiple women in the race. Hillary had to face every asshole alone, but you can tell that Warren/Harris/Klochubar/Gillibrand et. al understand the power in numbers and are going to have each others’ back against the Republicans. Warren’s got a killer Twitter game and if she isn’t the nominee she’ll be fighting back against all of Twitler’s lame attacks.

    I missed the MJ Hagar thread but John Coryn’s Twitter team was going insane all day. They kept retweeting old Patton Oswalt tweeting about dicks and being all “is this what we want for our country?” Uh, I think even some red state voters can tell the difference between comedians and a Senate candidate.

    Here’s the first one:

    Hollywood Hegar supporter and video guest star, Patton Oswalt, has tweeted some offensive comments over the years, reply A or B to let us know which one is more offensive to you: pic.twitter.com/gXgPvstK6V— Team Cornyn (@TeamCornyn) April 23, 2019

    The ratio is glorious – 466 likes, 8,800 replies, many of which are hilarious.

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    hitchhiker says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    36 percent of citizens ages 18-29 reported voting in last year’s midterm elections, jumping 16 percentage points since 2014 (when turnout was 20 percent) and easily surpassing any midterm election since the 1980s. Turnout also increased sharply among adults ages 30-44, rising from 36 percent in 2014 to 49 percent in 2018

    Let’s extrapolate… turnout in the midterms increased in the under 30s by 16 points, which is an increase of 80%. Obviously, there’s still plenty of room to grow, but an 80% increase from one midterm to the next has to mean something.

    How about 2016?
    The under 30 turnout was 46.1%
    The over 65 turnout was 70%

    If the 2018 increase is only half — 40% instead of 80% — that gets the under 30 turnout to 64.4%.

    There’s a lot of room to grow for this group, and not much for the olds. Throw in the fact that the youngs favor Democrats 67 to 33, while the olds only favor Republicans by 8 points, and it becomes not just possible but likely that young Americans will seize this moment.

    Dog knows they should.

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    @trollhattan: I have a couple of Steve’s albums from back in the day(college for me).

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    trollhattan says:

    In my lifetime two presidents came out of virtually nowhere to take the White House: Carter and Clinton. Maybe she has “it” but the odds at this juncture are thin due to the extremely overloaded pool. I did so love her SOTU rebuttal, she’s a natural.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Counting on younger voters to actually vote in sufficient numbers to make a difference is a fool’s errand.

    Every time I say this, I’m buried in condemnation. But I’ve been hearing about how the youth vote will make a difference every election cycle since 1972. And Millennials, at least as I understand the age range, are not exactly kids anymore.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    I want to express something I’ve been ruminating over for a long time; I hope I can do so effectively.

    There are comments we hear routinely that are at heart targeted at very specific groups but which use less-than-discriminate phrasing. For instance, “Men are pigs,” or any variation of “White men put Trump in office.”

    Many men are pigs. If it is 25 or 50%, I don’t know. Hell, maybe it’s more. If you protest, there are those who will tut-tut and roll their eyes and say sarcastically #NotAllMen.

    White men were an EMBARRASSINGLY LARGE percentage of Trump’s voters. But millions of us voted for Hillary. I loathe my cohorts who voted for the guy. But we are not by race a monolithic block.

    The overly general phrasing I can understand, ignore, not trip out over most of the time.

    Sometimes though, it is annoying and rather counter-productive.

    Earlier down thread today, someone said (I paraphrase slightly), “another white guy decided to run–just what we need, more white p3nis.” That felt like less-than-artful phrasing, to say the least.

    Anyway, them’s my thoughts. That’s just, like, my opinion, man.

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    trollhattan says:

    Comedy albums were once quite the thing. Dorm fodder during my era were Carlin, Firesign, Cheech and Chong, Python, Pryor, Martin and even Martin Mull (and his Fabulous Furniture).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @Ruckus: I’m not serious in those responses, which is I was using sarc tags. I apologize for painting with too broad a brush. I should have written “a plurality to a majority of white baby boomers”. I will go back and correct it.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    I think their performance is on Netflix. It was hilarious.

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    trollhattan says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    Entered the ’16 campaign ambivalent about Hillary and wondering “where the hell is our bench?” and over that long year she won me over, 100%. Sincere, focused, excellent platform, tough as nails and smart-smart-smart. My boomer ass was in all the way and I dragged my kid to a rally to plant the seeds for tomorrow.

    Don’t know what that demonstrates but for a kid from a country club Republican family (just not the income) it says something, I suppose.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @hitchhiker: The historical trend is they won’t turn out, while older voters will. That’s all I’m saying.

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    ThresherK says:

    ….and San Jose wins in OT.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @West of the Rockies: They’re right to be ticked at me. I was overly broad in my phrasing/characterization and my apparent attempt to play it off using sarcasm didn’t seem to help things.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I saw Gordie Howe go up into the stands after a woman who was ragging him all game. He was with the Aeros at the time.

    ETA – Sharks win in overtime. Eakin is going to spend the rest of his life explaining that penalty.

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    My Side of Town says:

    If it’s any consolation, white men over 70 are dying at the rate of 10,000 a month. That is trepidatious to me. So teach your children and grandchildren well. It’s their future. I am glad my granddaughter is a flaming liberal democrat and will be voting in 2020. Me? I expect to be around and voting with her.

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    trollhattan says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    Will look for it, well worth rewatching! Sat there thinking, “I should be taking notes!”

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    prob50 says:

    @trollhattan: Ever hear “The Credibility Gap” (Michael McKeen, David L. Lander and some others I can’t quite recall at thus moment)? I don’t believe they ever put out an album, but they did short skits daily on L.A. radio for several years. Not everything hit the mark, but when they did they were pretty damned funny. Had a roommate who cassette-taped just about every one of them at the time.

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    Jay says:


    Still are, they are back at the Grammy’s.

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    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you. Keep in mind the Silents are more conservative than Boomers, but we always end up being blamed for anything bad. We often get blamed for Reagan’s election in 1980, even though the only age group he lost was those voters under 30, Boomers.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mary G:
    Amateurs, they need to drop some of Oswalt’s “Veep” clips.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Her SOTU was excellent. If she runs and wins the primary, I would eagerly vote for her. If she doesn’t run for prez, I hope she is named to a cabinet or chooses to run for something. A star to watch, for sure!

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    Ruckus says:

    @West of the Rockies:
    I get it, I really do.
    But you know if we are supposed to not put people in boxes by their skin color or current/desired genitalia or any of the thousands of other ways of separating us, we should do that better. There are good people and bad people. Some of the bad people do not so bad things and some of the good people aren’t always saints. As liberals we like, or should in my opinion, like that people are different, that they aren’t all subservient, that some can make music, some can discover medical break throughs, some can make things, some can lead, some can follow and some can get others to hold their beer.
    But I was also fucking with Adam because he obviously was doing that on purpose, to get a response. Which is where my line about liberal assholes comes in. See his response to my response for the obviousness of it all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: First good shot or bad bounce will get the job done. The question will be whether the Sharks have the legs to make it through the second round.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    See my response to West of the Rockies at #105.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: You’re welcome.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The Avs have not won a second-round series in some time. I hope they can ride their hot hand after taking out Calgary.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruckus: It has been far too long a day.

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    trollhattan says:

    No, I wonder if they’re floating around somewhere? McKeen has always been brilliant.

    Firesign had an LA radio show before their albums. Another hilarious group out of Iowa (of all places) was Duck’s Breath Mystery Theater, who landed in SF eventually and did radio there. They spawned Ian Shoales and Doctor Science.

    National Lampoon issued albums too, a smattering of which could go on the radio and IIRC they had a syndicated radio show at some point. Several original SNL cast members came through there.

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    prob50 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They’re right to be ticked at me.

    Seems you tipped a nest full of aged but still feisty old hornets. Yes, most, if not all of us LAB’s (Liberal Asshole Boomers) have our share of Assholian moments, but generally in more individualized ways – not generally in any group lockstep marching pattern.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ThresherK: I was actually rooting for Calgary, as I was rooting for the Jets and the Leafs, as I wanted to see at least one Canadian team go deep this year. But in the last several games the Avs looked like the Lightning were supposed to and made the Flames look like the Lightning actually did.

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    Keith G says:

    I am interested that there are folks who think there is a future for a Harris/Warren or Warren/Harris ticket. It’s not that common that two of the brightest stars, or two of the most powerful voices, of a political party agree to be on the same ticket.

    Maybe that can be seen to have happened with Kennedy/Johnson and later with Reagan/Bush, but there were exigent circumstances around those candidacies.

    The presidential candidates and their teams are not all that comfortable with taking on a vice presidential contender who has their very own revved up power base.

    Similarly, tested and popular political leaders are somewhat unlikely to become part of the political back water that is the office of Vice President.

    Lastly, while talking heads like to claim otherwise, statistical data show that the vice presidential candidate is not an important factor in attracting votes for a presidential candidate. That fact gives both a presidential nominee and a possible vice presidential contender the power to make a choice that feels right for them and doesn’t feed into some larger theoretical political narrative.

    Harris and Warren will not be on the same ticket.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    On election day ’16, I texted my then-14-year-old daughter to say, ” I just voted for our first female president!!!”

    That evening was a nauseating, surreal gut punch.

    It wasn’t until I was marching in the Women’s March (as a mid-50’s white dude) that I felt we’d all survive and that hope was still alive. So, yes, let’s hand the reigns to women. To quote Jimmy Buffett, “I’d like to vote for a princess or a non-terrestrial…”

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I’ll agree with that.
    Thanks for the fun tonight. We need that every once in a while, life is too serious far too often. Mine seems to be getting more serious as the days go by so I’m just trying to make it to the next one and the one after that without tripping over my own two left feet. This getting older stuff isn’t for sissies.

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    prob50 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    as I wanted to see at least one Canadian team go deep this year.

    Aye, I was just thinking there was something vaguely Canadian aboot yah.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    Last hockey game I saw live was at The Fabulous Forum, Kings vs Montreal. Gretzky and Co. lost 4-3. Tons of celebs. Watched (with binoculars) Reagan chowing down on a hot dog. Nancy was beside him in her ubiquitous red dress. Woot-woot.

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    prob50 says:


    This getting older stuff isn’t for sissies.

    Boy is that for real. I just recently got home after spending a month-and-a-half in the hospital, during which time there was some doubt about when, or even if, I’d be getting out. Luckily for me things turned around fairly sharply in my favor, but I’ve still got lots of tests, appointments, possible major surgery and recovery time coming up.

    Best wishes and good luck with your situation.

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    BCHS Class of 1989 says:

    @John Revolta: I’m not sure about that in this era. After watching Gillum narrowly lose after putting a milquetoast white guy on the ticket, I’ve reached the conclusion that wypipo who will vote for a PoC will do that regardless of the other on the ticket while those who won’t don’t care. With Gillum I think adding a Latino might have helped.

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    Darkrose says:

    Apparently Vegas fans are claiming Pavs just tripped and the refs gave the game to the Sharks. Assholes.

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    prob50 says:


    No, I wonder if they’re floating around somewhere? McKeen has always been brilliant.

    They actually did put out an album around 1972, “A Date With Danger”. There’s a YouTube snippet from it and apparently the album is available thru Amazon.

    I think I may have screwed up a blockquote here, but I’m too tired and lazy to try and fix it.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Oh, man, 6 weeks of hospital chow, constant chimes and alerts, the sound of wretching and… Ugh.

    I’m glad you’re out again. Continued health to you.

    I’m pretty fit. I try to walk a marathon a week (running 4 or 5 miles of it), swim a mile, and do some light lifting. But a bout of diverticulitis knocked me down for a good two weeks.

    It’s made me work on my diet and cut back on wine.

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    prob50 says:

    @West of the Rockies: Thanks. Low-sodium diet, no booze whatsoever, but I’d mostly quit quite some time ago. Lost about 35 lbs but have gained 6 or 7 of it back already with high-protein diet and supplements. I’m getting around fine, but need to work on upper body strength, so I need to start doing some lifting.

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    Mary G says:

    @Ruckus: @prob50: Yeah, it sucks to get old and have your body start falling apart. I went to have a Rituxin infusion this morning and after more tries than is legal they couldn’t get a vein to hold and now I have to go to the hospital tomorrow to have a PICC line put in and keep it for the two weeks between infusions. I’ve had more IVs than I can count and though my veins are twisty and rolly I’ve never had one blow out before. I was feeling a bit sorry for myself, but hearing about a month and a half in the hospital makes me grateful it’s not worse.

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    Martin says:

    @West of the Rockies: I get where you’re coming from, but as a 50 year old white male, we would do well to step way the fuck off. It’s not really enough at this stage to step back and ask that we get the same treatment as everyone else. Maybe we can ask for that in the future. But there’s not a lot that’s wrong in this country that we can’t put solidly on the shoulders of white men. I’ve worked my whole life to do good, and I think I have, as have many other white men I know, but it’s not nearly enough to make up for the harm that our votes, our complacency, our willingness to look the other way, our desire to take care of ourselves have done to those that never had a chance at running things. Even the white men we generally consider to be good have a lot to answer for – Clinton, Biden, etc. We gotta step aside and turn this over to others, women of color, young people. Maybe learn a thing or two along the way.

    The gun problem in the US is a white male problem. The white men in charge of things didn’t fix that. Climate change is another white male problem that white men didn’t fix. People are angry, and we supported a culture that favored us at their expense, so they’re angry at us. It hurts, but I can’t fault them. So, I embrace it, because that’s what people need.

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    plato says:

    @Martin: Well said.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @James E Powell:

    But I’ve been hearing about how the youth vote will make a difference every election cycle since 1972.

    They have been talked about a lot and then never showed up, indeed.

    Until 2018. The younger voters finally did show up then, and they are the reason Pelosi has a working majority. I don’t think they will go home in 2020.

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    NC Soder says:

    @Keith G: Ideal would be President Harris and Majority Leader Warren. Alongside Speaker Pelosi, shit would get done!

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    joel hanes says:


    Comedy albums

    National Lampoon’s Golden Turkeys, with Deteriorata and Pull The Treegroes

    Zappa’s Billy The Mountain

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    opiejeanne says:

    @prob50: Lenny and Squiggy!

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Ruckus: words have meaning. Like plurality and majority.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @GregB: Infinitesimally better than a putsch poll from the Tang DyedNasty. But only infinitesimally.

    Srsly now, speaking as a former statistician, any campaign that runs push-“polls” can FOADIAF.

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    Barbara says:

    @West of the Rockies: All I can say is that as a 50+ white woman, I have felt out of step with my “generational average” ever since I watched the returns come in on election night 1980, the first presidential election I ever participated in. It’s important to understand that even in our polarized times, with respect to any age or other demographic group, millions of people deviate from the “average” or “majority” that makes up the norm. Nonetheless, you also have to recognize that people in our demographic have been in control for a while now, and that control has yielded a person like Trump. It’s not our fault personally, but it is clear that to get some other result we have to start looking well beyond us. Continuing to insist that people like us should stay in charge will continue to yield approximately the same results. And that is, at the end of the day, my biggest objection to both Biden and Sanders.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Gretchen: i want Harris/ Warren. I would *love* Harris/Warren. But if Liz ain’t Prez she’s probably better left in the Senate. Because damn, will we need a strong Dem Senate! I am so pissed at Hickenlooper for not declaring for Senate – he has laughably little chance at the Presidency, and he would have been a SLAM DUNK fir the Senate.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Dead thread, but anyway…
    You make good points, but please understand, nowhere in my comment did I argue that white men should stay in charge, nowhere, never.

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    Barbara says:

    @West of the Rockies: I guess the point is that even if we don’t personally subscribe to our generational “norms” we have to recognize them and not be affronted when they are pointed out. And one of those norms has been to concentrate power in a very narrow slice of the population. “I’m not like that” isn’t adequate as a standalone response. When I used to visit my great aunt in a nursing home she complained a lot about having to share space with so many grumpy people. At one point when she was explaining what she meant, she said, “oh, you know how old people are.” I mean, she was over 90 at the time, nonetheless, pointing out that she wasn’t like that at all didn’t solve her problem.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    This thread is dead and I am skipping to the end without reading it.

    Did anybody ask where the boys were? Loved seeing those girls excited to meet Harris but where are their classmates? Does it really start that young, even now?

    Am I the only one worried that Harris and Warren are going to split the vote of all the smartest, most sensible voters and let someone else much less qualified slip ahead? This is my biggest concern at this point.

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    Kristine says:

    @Martin: Agree with @plato. Well said, and thank you.

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