Open Thread: Another ‘Honor’ for Professor Krugman!

“Tongue so firmly in cheek as to protrude from the vulgar bodily orifice” (R.A. Lafferty)

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    lamh36 says:

    Following Following @RVAwonk
    Speaking just now at a press conference about the DOJ/Mueller report, Rep. Jerry Nadler says: “The attorney general appears to be running a media campaign on behalf of the president.”

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    lamh36 says:

    11m11 minutes ago
    It may be “mandatory” to leak the full Mueller report to ensure its release, says Pentagon Papers whistleblower

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    lamh36 says:

    Follow Follow @thehill
    Fox News announces town hall with Klobuchar

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: I’ve been wondering about a new Ellsburg, wondering if anyone on the Mueller team is old enough and rich enough to just say “fuck it”

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    lamh36 says:

    shouldn’t fuq’n be “likely” should be ab-so-fuqn-lutely!!

    Follow Follow @pbump
    Nadler says he will likely ask Mueller and members of his investigation team to testify before his committee.

    7:26 PM – 17 Apr 2019

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    This is a real thing? I guess going on a cruise beats meeting at the Howard Johnson somewhere in the midwest.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    So because I’m an idiot, I posted my obsessive-compulsive request for info earlier today in the “Bernie Sucks!” thread, thinking I might distract people from the “Bernie Sucks!” posts. I failed. Being also persistent, I’ll try again. If you know San Francisco, read this and help me out.

    Since it’s an open thread and the west coast people are awake, I’ll try to deal with an obsession. I’ve been re-watching the Coppola-Hackman The Conversation. It opens with a 3+ minute tracking shot of Union Square in San Francisco (the only scene in the released movie actually filmed by Haskell Wexler, who was fired by Coppola early on, but that’s immaterial.) The scene is here

    Anyway, I’ve been in San Francisco and know the area, but not as well as a native. The scene, according to the script, is lunchtime, in December. Now you can’t close Union Square, so judging by the length of the shadows it was shot at the crack of dawn. But if I have the position right, the camera is high above Stockton, and that’s Geary on the left. The Post St side is higher, as I recall, which is why the right side is more shadowed. But the angle of the shadows doesn’t make sense – it’s almost as if the sun is a bit to the north, which isn’t possible, and most certainly not in December. What do I have wrong? I’m obsessed and it’s bothering me.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Jerzy Russian: Norovirus for everyone!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    A whole cruise dedicated to hatred of you. Dr. Krugman has made it!

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: I think I’ll pick the candidate that can resist Fox.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    This is a real thing?

    Looks like in the Statler-and-Waldorf-critique-their-fellow-Muppets sense, it’s real.

    Because the demographic that wants to communally HMPH! HMPH! at that bleeding-heart-liberal-commie-anarchist Krugman is also the foremost cruise-ship-ticket-buying demographic, so why not combine the two?

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    lamh36 says:

    38s38 seconds ago
    NEW: The Mueller report will offer “a granular look at the ways in which President Trump was suspected of having obstructed justice” & will offer a detailed blow-by-blow of his alleged conduct — analyzing tweets, private threats and other episodes.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: If she– or any other Dem who’s tempted– goes in there with some carefully planned comments about how Fox prime time stokes racism and otherwise engages in fear-mongering and demagoguery, I’ll be okay with it. I will also be shocked.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: the well-sourced Carol Leonnig is reporting on the Hayes show right now says the report will be “lightly redacted”, and cites the same word, “granular” detail

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    eemom says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Furthermore….what about the grassy knoll??


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    @eemom: Leave Ted Cruz’s dad out of this.

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    Congratulations to Professor Krugman, bet this beats that stinky foreign Nobel Prize.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @eemom: This is bothering the shit out of me.


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    opiejeanne says:

    @lamh36: Klobuchar is a fool to do this. Nothing good will come from it. No Democrat should be giving Fox the time of day.

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    Jay says:

    @Jerzy Russian:

    Social media has monetized hate, it’s also monetized ignorance.

    So a couple of guys with a podcast, can spread to books, a you tube channel, and fill a boat load of suckers,

    Be it flat earthers or Krugman haters.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    You beat me to it, I was going to suggest he consult Mr. Zapruder.

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    Dan B says:

    Would it be crass to suggest that someone get hired as a cook and then fake a measles rash?

    Or how about the entertainers leap out of a cake in Krugman mask spewing fire and sulfurous odors.

    Nevermind… that will be the entertainment finale.

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    lamh36 says:

    “I never expected Barr to do anything that would be respectful to the members of Congress or to include us in any real way. He has proven himself. He auditioned for this job. He was chosen to protect the President of the United States, and that’s exactly what he’s doing.”

    “So I’m not surprised. I’m not even disgusted, because I knew that once he came out and he said there had been no obstruction of justice and that there had been no collusion, that he absolutely stepped out early to defend the president, to protect the president,” said Waters. “I don’t expect any reversal of that. I expect him to continue to play the role. He is basically a lackey and a sycophant for the president of the United States of America, and that’s all it’s gonna be.”

    “This report is gonna be overly redacted, and I don’t know if we’re going to get anything new or important out of that,” Waters continued. “I just wish that the Mueller team would come forward, and I hope that Mueller will come before the committee and have a chance to tell his side of what he has done and have the questions given to him by the members of the Judiciary Committee that will help us to get at the truth about this president.”

    “I mean, this president and his minions are absolutely ridiculous, and they disrespect the members of Congress, and we know they have been involved with each other,” said Waters. “His lawyers, and his aides, et cetera, talking with the White House about what’s in the report already. And they are going to push back. They have advance information. Information that the members of Congress don’t even have.”

    “And so members of Congress better know, he is gonna keep doing this, he’s gonna keep disrespecting us, the Constitution of the United States of America, and there is no answer to how we should be dealing with him except impeachment,” said Waters. “I have been saying it all along.

    Maxine Waters scorches Trump administration for Mueller antics: ‘President and his minions are ridiculous’

    video at link

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    Barbara says:

    They appear to charter a small Royal Caribbean ship and embark from Fort Lauderdale. What a waste of a chance to get away from politics for a few days.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @zhena gogolia: Unfortunately, Abe’s been dead nearly 50 years now.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Wish I could help, but my familiarity of that city is far too dated. I’m eager to hear someone who can answer, since I do understand the question (I think).


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    opiejeanne says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I watched that scene, it’s great, but when I think about the shadows it was disorienting. There wasn’t enough information on the screen for me in that scene.

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    chris says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Never been to SF but I have seen what movie lighting can do. Musco was founded two years after your film but the technology was there. Amazing what 50,000 watts of light can do. The Musco Light was, maybe still is, a generator on a truck with five 10K lights on a boom. It could make a city block of daylight at night. Or Coppola moved the sun… ;-)

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    Jay says:

    @Dan B:

    It’s a boat full of Libertarians, so there’s already going to be easily vaccinated against diseases aboard.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Gin & Tonic: ReelSF:

    December 08, 2013 / CitySleuth

    Then … As the opening credits roll the camera slowly zooms in from on high to a crowded city plaza below. From the get-go we feel like voyeurs.

    [ image 1 – union square 1.jpg ]

    … and Now, this is Union Square – it was filmed from a hotel room on the top floor of the St. Francis hotel (not the tower). CitySleuth was not able to access the room itself but obtained permission to take this photo from immediately above it on the roof. It shows changes since the movie was filmed; the formal gardens have been swept away creating a more open space but the Dewey ‘Victory’ monument in the center remains the focal point.


    The “now” picture shows the same rough direction of the shadow as in the film (but clearly at a different time of day).

    HTH a little!


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    HeleninEire says:

    @Baud: Honestly. Do they think they are going to pick up Fox viewer’s votes? WTF?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Another Scott: OK, so if it was filmed from the St. Francis, those angles could make sense if it was being filmed just about at sunset. That would be Post St on the left, not Geary. I had it “upside down.” I just thought in terms of film logistics it would be much, much easier to control Union Square at dawn than at dusk. But then again, this was Coppola.

    Thanks for finding that.

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    Steeplejack says:

    The little tangle of threads around the Contra Krugman cruise is hilarious. Someone suggested they could do a whole series featuring all the Times columnists. Someone said Thomas Friedman’s would be in a water taxi. Then this:

    Ross Douthat would be a great girls’ weekend.

    — A Lawyer (@mtlawmiami) April 17, 2019

    OMG yes. We can wear all kinds of immodest outfits while we deny the contributions of WASPs to US greatness and take climate change seriously.

    — Dr Elizabeth Sacha Baroness Cohen (@alixabeth) April 17, 2019

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    Obvious Russian Troll says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Another thing to keep in mind is that Hollywood sometimes shoots at night and uses lighting to make it look like day (and vice versa). No idea if they did it for that scene.

    For instance, see:

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Obvious Russian Troll: Yeah, I know that, and can usually pick it out. Look at that tracking shot, though – there’s no way it was artificially lit.

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    Mathguy says:

    Reading the libertarian crazies that try to troll Krugman (very poorly) on the Twitter thread was fascinating. I didn’t realize there is an entire industry devoted to tell Krugman that he’s wrong. The Texas Tech nut sounds especially annoying.

    I went HS with a similar type of person that became an academic in political studies (I hate calling it a science). The blind spots in their thinking are a mile wide.

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    trnc says:

    The little tangle of threads around the Contra Krugman cruise is hilarious.

    My personal favorite shows once again that libertarians don’t actually understand how the thing they hate so much actually works, so they have to completely make shit up to get to the most contrived punchline ever.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Definitely a trip down the rabbit hole.

    What gets me is their black-hole level of lack of self-awareness. No amount of mockery or refutation makes them think, “Hmm, maybe I should rethink this a bit.” They always double, triple and quadruple down. And their critics are always idiots or willfully misrepresenting their airtight arguments. A hand-wave suffices for Krugman’s Nobel Prize. It’s really something.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Another Scott: Thanks for that. I couldn’t decide which way the camera was facing, other than down.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I haven’t been able to locate the band in the square. I thought they were at the lower right of the Dewey monument, but I’m not sure. That was bugging me as much as anything.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Obvious Russian Troll:

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Hollywood sometimes shoots at night and uses lighting to make it look like day (and vice versa). No idea if they did it for that scene.

    It’s all contrived. E.g. for me scenes involving computers (e.g. hacking), field botany, physics/astronomy and a few more esoteric subjects are generally at best disbelief un-suspendors, at worst cringe-inducing.

    Re the OP, I seriously wonder if/hope that the Contra Krugman cruise lectures are recorded.

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    Vhh says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Back in the day, neither Ellsberg nor Mark Felt (aka Deep Throat) were rich nor old. But both the WaPo and the NYT held firm. These days the NYT is wobbly (“both sides”) but WaPo under Bezos has been good.

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    Jay says:

    @Bill Arnold:


    Sadly, unlike other Nazi Cruises, apparently no body not a true believer has bothered to take the “Cruise” and provide a critique.

    Probably because of the communical diseases.

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    karen marie says:

    @Steeplejack: This is hilarious.

    A water taxi. Hahaha.

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    Huntly says:

    Paul should totally sign up to go on the cruise!

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    Citizen_X says:

    *Petitioning the Navy to name an attack sub the U.S.S. Paul Krugman.*

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