Warren's newest proposal includes:
1. Exec order to stop "drilling offshore and on public lands"
2. Restoring protections to monuments targeted by Trump
3. Recruiting 10K people to "jumpstart a 21st Century Civilian Conservation Corps"
4. And this: Free entry to national parks— maxwell (@maxwellstrachan) April 15, 2019
I am (perhaps overly) sensitive to the charge that I’m prejudiced towards my personal favorite Senator — and, boilerplate: I will do everything in my power to support the eventual Democratic nominee — but damn, Elizabeth Warren does not get the credit she deserves!
Everything in this proposal is noteworthy, but giving lower-income families more of a chance to enjoy national parks is *not* a small thing, if we want support for those parks to be more than ‘a little perk for white totebaggers’…
Elizabeth Warren Proposes Broad Plan to Protect Public Lands https://t.co/Z6Tj70KnTM
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) April 15, 2019
.@ewarren new today on public lands: "On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that says no more drilling?—?a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases, including for drilling offshore and on public lands." And more: https://t.co/oc1L24qoCG
— Sarah Smarsh ?? (@Sarah_Smarsh) April 15, 2019
Supplementary reads:
Moira Donegan, at the Guardian, “Elizabeth Warren is the intellectual powerhouse of the Democratic party”:
There’s still nearly a year to go before the Iowa caucuses, the first contest of the Democratic presidential primary, but the media has already counted Senator Elizabeth Warren out. The conventional wisdom has rapidly devolved from declaring her a frontrunner when she announced her bid on New Year’s Eve to confident assertions that her campaign is dead in the water, out-raised and out-charmed by the white male candidates – Bernie, Biden, Beto and Buttigieg – whose presidential bids have dominated the first months of the contest…
But since her initial announcement in December, Warren’s campaign has rolled out a series of detailed policy proposals in quick succession, outlining structural changes to major industries, government functions, and regulatory procedures that would facilitate more equitable representation in the federal government and overhaul the economy in favor of the working class. These policy proposals have made Warren the Democratic party’s new intellectual center of gravity, a formidable influence who is steadily pushing the presidential primary field to the left and forcing all of her primary challengers to define their political positions against hers…
Peter Beinart, at the Atlantic, “Elizabeth Warren Had Charisma, and Then She Ran for President”:
… An article last month in The Week noted that Warren “doesn’t do uplift, which is what people mean when they grumble about her lack of ‘charisma’ and ‘energy.’” In a recent story about Warren’s fundraising trouble, The New York Times suggested that she was suffering because Democrats’ “longstanding fascination with youthful charisma—along with its current, Trump-driven fixation on electability—can outweigh qualities like experience or policy expertise.”
What happened? Warren may be a victim of what scholars of women’s leadership call the “double bind”: For female candidates, it’s difficult to come across as competent and charismatic at the same time. To be considered charismatic, leaders must be both appealing and inspiring, both likable and visionary. Unfortunately for women who seek positions of power, they’re rarely perceived as possessing these characteristics while also being deemed competent to do the job.
Since announcing her campaign for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, Warren has worked harder than any other candidate to prove she’s ready to govern. She’s laid out proposals on taxation, government corruption, prescription drugs, housing, and even “postal banking,” all of which has led the Times to describe her strategy as “Stand Out by ‘Nerding Out.’”…
As a lifelong nerd (some of whose fondest childhood memories involve visits to National Park properties, such as nerd Teddy Roosevelt’s birthplace), I will do my best to ensure the haterz and jock-sniffers among the horse-race media touts find themselves forced to eat these words!
OzarkHillbilly
That reminds me, time to send her some more $.
NotMax
Shall probably catch hell for this, so allow me to preface it by saying I like Warren (although she is not my first choice at this point). However she does seem to have yet to master the fine art of talking to an audience as opposed to talking at an audience.
OzarkHillbilly
The Life of Brian turns 40:
Aleta
OzarkHillbilly
@NotMax: How dare you criticize the fine and upstanding Senator from Ver… Oh, wait a minute, carry on.
OzarkHillbilly
@Aleta: I’m rooting for injuries.
NotMax
@Aleta
NRA: High caliber weapons for low caliber people.
Presume the suit claims the TV operation is soft pedaling the messages? //
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’m stuggling to remember a religious protest that I thought was actually righteous.
Baud
@NotMax:
I miss when they claimed to be colorblind.
Aleta
(Manitou Cave)
Cave Markings Tell of Cherokee Life in the Years Before Indian Removal (Smithsonian Mag)
Written in the language formalized by Sequoyah, these newly translated inscriptions describe religious practices, including the sport of stickball
Baud
I like the free national park idea, but some parks already suffer from severe overcrowding. Need a plan to manage that or it’ll be a mess.
NotMax
@Baud
Warsaw ghetto uprising?
Elizabelle
Mayor Pete is big full color photo at top of front page of Die Welt (daily newspaper) today with caption “Der Anti-Trump.”
That honor goes far more to Elizabeth Warren, in my book, although am not slamming Mayor Buttigieg. EW’s books and career and work establishing the CFPB are a rebuke to Trump/GOP family values, or lack thereof.
I am proud of her, and support her and most Democratic leading lights.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Really, almost all of the candidates are anti-Trump in some way.
Aleta
@NotMax: Or maybe it says they are shocked, shocked.
Amir Khalid
Did Eliabeth Warren’s charisma as a candidate and Senator suddenly go poof! when she became a candidate for President? She may not be the most exciting stump speaker* around. But I have seen no reports that people are left cold by their one-on-one interactions with her; just as I never saw any such reports about Hillary. It seems to me that Beinart is making an effort to define away Warren’s charisma (and to some extent Hillary’s) by arguing that showing competence erodes a woman’s charisma. Which strikes me as bullshit.
ETA:
* Not exactly a POTUS’ most important or most useul skill. It’s the only presidential skill Trump and Sanders can claim.
ola azul
@OzarkHillbilly:
It’s all fun and games till you shoot your lawyer in the face with birdshot.
(Whereupon your lawyer will dutifully apologize to *you* for interposing his face betwixt you and your drunken aim — if you’re a Republican.)
Also, too: Wouldn’t it be grand if Ollie North got his long-deserved comeuppance, albeit 40-odd years belated? If ever there was a poster-boy template for insolently brazening it out till you become a folk hero to the fascist-curious, he were it.
NotMax
@Elizabelle
Would really like to see her unshackled in a D controlled Senate. Personally feel her strengths lie more in being a navigator rather than at the helm.
Aleta
@rikyrah: Good morning ?
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Don’t ask me, I’m an atheist.
JR
Whatever Warren’s presidential prospects — not looking good right now — her run has been incredibly valuable for mainstreaming some very strong policy proposals.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
This suggests sexism prevents the recognition of charisma among women. I don’t think this is true. We just had a bumper crop of charismatic women who have taken politics by storm: Stacy Abrams, AOC, Tlalib, Sharice Davids, Deb Haaland, Ayanna Pressley, Omar, Kyrsten Sinema, Lauren Underwood, Katie Hill, Katie Porter, Gretchen Whitmer, Abigail Spanberger.
OzarkHillbilly
@Amir Khalid:
Dingdingding… we have a winner. And no, I don’t understand the compulsion to see women this way either. I find her quite compelling.
ola azul
@Amir Khalid:
Peter “Oops-on-Iraq” Beinart ain’t exactly who I’d be looking at for guidance on what constitutes charisma. That said, on the larger issue of women prez candidates and their suppose lack of charisma, think it’s instructive to go in the way-back machine and remember how absolutely popular and universally admired a certain Hillary Clinton was — until she started running for the presidency.
As your garden-variety white male in these here Yoo-nited States of ‘Murica in the benighted year of 2019, the undeniable (to me, anyway) n positively disgraceful aspect of alla this hand-wringing is the extent to which misogynistic attitudes (both overt and unacknowledged) plays in the elevation of the mediocre on the male side and the suppression of excellence on the female end of the spectrum.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Mayor Pete’s French-Fu just generated a impressive viral moment (2.1 million views in 12 hours) (link)
ola azul
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Fair enough. Point taken. Conceded.
‘Cept they weren’t running for prez.
To put it in bald, crass terms, thinks there’s a large component of the electorate (to our shame) that don’t want no woman to be the boss of them.
(Same dynamic with race, just slightly less virulent. Imo.)
Baud
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Meh. I can use Google translate too.
satby
I really wish Warren was doing better too, but I think her age works against her a bit as well. Not to me, but there’s just too much talk about younger, fresher faces which hits all the oldest politicians in (and not declared yet). Which is also unfair, because she’s much more vital than the other two. Smarter too. I hope however the race goes, the eventual real (as opposed to media) front runner adopts a lot of Warren’s policy proposals if it’s not her.
Immanentize
@Amir Khalid: @NotMax:
I’ve seen her in person a number of times — she was the graduation speaker one year at my school. She is actually very engaging, funny and warm on the stump. Sure, she produces some fire and can be nerdy, but it’s wrapped in common sense with real obvious and not-fake caring. Quite “homey.”
Hmmmm. I wonder where the idea that she is not charismatic and is a hectoring school marm comes from? People who see her do not think that.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Speaking of feminists and charisma, Emma Watson (Hermione Granger) has become an amazing style icon (photo)
MomSense
@Amir Khalid:
I wish you were covering politics for one of our big news operations. The sexism is constant and it is highly effective. The media are angling hard for the candidates who are like them and who see the world like they do and it is affecting the standing and fundraising of the candidates. It’s basically all white B named men all the time.
ola azul
@NotMax:
Without Worsley, Shackleton don’t make er to Elephant Is. much less South Georgia.
satby
@Immanentize:
From the same predominantly white male reporters who labeled (libeled?) Hillary with the same idea. Including the one I fought with on line for almost a year about her voice being “annoying”.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby:
Somebody recently said that while she may not become president, she is putting together the Democratic party platform.
Chyron HR
@Elizabelle:
Why, because he’s sexually attracted to men instead of his own daughter? Sure isn’t much difference in their “restore the white race to it’s rightful glory” platforms.
MomSense
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
If any one of those women seek higher office it will happen to them, too. This is a common phenomenon. When Hillary was SoS she was the most popular politician in the country by a lot. As soon as she sought higher office the coverage changed. This is a common occurrence in the business world, too. Women are great employees until they vie for a promotion and then all the qualities that were great become evidence of their conniving or being power hungry.
We just had why is Biden so far ahead at 27% in Iowa. Hillary got why is she only at 42% in Iowa.
ola azul
@Chyron HR:
Will confess, trying to be charitable here and not jump to conclusions. But when I read what you wrote, it *sounds* like you are conflating Trump and Buttagiegieg as exemplars and avatars of white ethno-nationalism.
Are you purposely *trying* to do that? (Which would be both weird and fucked up.) Or is there some other explanation I’m missing?
Immanentize
@satby:
Sadly, but not surprisingly, Jon Judis writing at TPM is one of them.. He declares Buttigieg “the smartest person in class” based on his schooling and language capacity. He relegates Warren to one who “could challenge Buttigieg for being the smartest person in class.”
That is some very biased and unintelligible commentary.
MomSense
@OzarkHillbilly:
This same attitude is why we have so few women CEOs, too.
Baud
@satby:
Yep, all those cool lefty kids who thought they bond with their Republican dads in hating only Hillary in 2016 are finding out their dads have other things in mind.
Immanentize
@MomSense:
It is making me despair rather than making me angry today. But I’ll get angry again, I’m certain.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
The few. The proud. The Democratic Marine Corp.
Colonel Richard Bew – handsome fighter pilot (photo)
MomSense
@Immanentize:
It is discouraging and the despair rage emotional cycle of the past few years has been the worst.
OzarkHillbilly
Tony Messenger is one of the few remaining bright lights at the STL Post Disgrace:
He can now add “Pulitzer Prize winner” to his list of honorifics.
Congratulations Tony, well deserved.
debbie
@NotMax:
Many made that same complaint about Obama. She’ll persist.
ola azul
@MomSense:
Gotta dear friend whose been fishing up here for 40+ years (‘cept the three years she spent in stir; as Johnny Cash once sez about Merle Haggard bein in the front row at San Quentin: “He wouldn’t mind me saying that!”), she likes to sez (more in the estar version of temporary vs. the ser version of permanence): “Relax! You’re fucked.”
We might be fucked in the here n now, but I take great solace and inspiration that there’s many like me who feels we ain’t gotta be fucked in the forevermores.
And on a lighter note: Been to any choice soul-vivifying musical performances of late?
debbie
@satby:
I’m getting sick of this ageism crap. People should not be dismissing wisdom and experience like they are; it’s what gotten us to the level of stupidity we now find ourselves in.
Adam Geffen
I know it is early days but I’m hoping for Warren to be the nominee.
As to summer vacations. I’m taking the family to the guncles house near Madison, WI for the 4th of July. And we’ll probably do a trip to northern Michigan.
Emma
@Baud: It’s not google translate. You can see him trying to think in the language. He does the same thing in Spanish. I still want to see actual policy proposals but we could do much worse. On the other hand, we could do much better. Warren, Harris. They have obviously spent time thinking about what needs to be done.
MomSense
@ola azul:
Last month we had a beautiful performance of Brahms Tragic Overture, a C.Schumann piano concerto and R. Schumann’s Rhenish. As it turns out the pianist Diane Walsh has recently made Maine her home. She is brilliant. I hope this means we will get to hear her play more often.
satby
@debbie: as one of the olds I’m pretty against it myself. But there are reasonable considerations about the inevitable decline that age ultimately brings to us all vs. a blanket assumption that someone is just “too old” at some arbitrary age. It should just be one factor in the assesment.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@debbie:
Unless of course, it’s Wilmer and then his age is nothing to worry about. Did you know he exercises a lot? /Berniebro
I was really hoping Warren was going to take away votes from Wilmer. She still might, but I was hoping he was going to get squeezed out
rikyrah
i wasnt made to fall in line (@JesseRikart) Tweeted:
Kamala Harris’ tax returns were 500+ pages.
Can anyone explain why Bernie’s taxes are missing so many pages and supplemental information to explain his deductions and income? https://twitter.com/JesseRikart/status/1117981309996023808?s=17
satby
@Adam Geffen: the summer vacation in the headline is AL’s sly joke about going to campaign for Warren.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: I had that exact argument with someone recently.
@MomSense: I am unsure of whom you are critical of, but the individual who said it was only acknowledging the uphill battle she has to fight against latent misogyny in this campaign, while praising her forthright thinking and the fully formed policies she proposes and the role those policies have in pushing all the other candidates to take positions they may feel uncomfortable articulating at this point in time.
I agree.
Baud
@rikyrah: It’s the best way to hide information.
rikyrah
Tina Vasquez (@TheTinaVasquez) Tweeted:
Why do white liberals love Pete Buttigieg but not Julián Castro? Why are white journalists framing Pete Buttigieg as a solid contender for the nomination, while framing Julián Castro as out of the realm of possibility? These questions answer themselves, obviously. https://twitter.com/TheTinaVasquez/status/1117807502089949184?s=17
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@OzarkHillbilly: Speaking of the St. Louts Post-Dispatch:
PBS is streaming online a great documentary on liberal journalist/publisher Joseph Pulitzer (link)
MomSense
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’m agreeing with you. Sorry, I can copy links on my wicked smaht phone but I can’t copy text. Women have great ideas and then they give them to a more senior male to execute.
ola azul
@MomSense:
Jealous, don’t mind saying.
Here’s a short beautiful lil piano chestnut I allus loved: Barbara Carroll, My Funny Valentine
rikyrah
MSNBC (@MSNBC) Tweeted:
In 1989, AG Barr refused to release a DOJ legal opinion, choosing to release a summary report instead. It was later revealed that Barr mischaracterized parts of the opinion in that summary. https://t.co/exS3OfKG8o https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1118000075748380673?s=17
satby
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: he is getting squeezed out. That’s why he’s publicly picking fights with Democratic think tanks and Think Progress now, and turning the bros loose to smear anyone he thinks is a threat.
Can’t wait to see that old asshole go down in flames.
(Too soon?)
Adam Geffen
@satby:
Well… huh. ?? That’s too sly for me obviously.
Maybe I can combine my road trip up north with canvassing for Warren? Not sure how that will work with a 2yo in tow. ??
rikyrah
Venture Capital (@kelly2277) Tweeted:
?Everyone associated with Trump has ties to Russia, including his AG, William Barr who has been busy trying to whitewash the Mueller Report? https://t.co/22d7cqPA0N https://twitter.com/kelly2277/status/1117988036615311360?s=17
MomSense
@rikyrah:
I’ve been following a tax preparer/accountant who was trying to figure out how they managed to get their returns to print with some numbers in a different font. I suspect the returns may be booooooogus.
debbie
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
It’s a great doc, for sure. I had to watch it twice.
Adam Geffen
@satby:
Also… we should have a thread to talk about vacation plans & ideas. ?
satby
@MomSense: I more than suspect when it comes to Wilmer. Redact tape and a copier can make entirely new stories from documents.
Typos fixed.
Oh, WTF Kindle?
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
As poleaxed noted @ 26, Hillary was the Most Admired (or close to it) woman for a number of years, before Traitor Turtle et al. started with the 3 gazillion Benghazi!! “investigations.” [Of course, one might reasonably claim the Rethug takedown paled in comparison to the 20-plus-years-long hatefest the FTFTFNYT unleashed on the Clintons. Hillary seemed to have weathered it OK until 2015, when the FTFTFNYT started in again.]
As with EVERY strong woman candidate, Warren will be subjected to the standard retort “Yes, Senator Professor Warren has some great policy proposals, as pretty damn smart, has gotten a lot done, and people seem to like her, BUT I JUST DON’T KNOW.” It’s just a variation of “Sure, I’d vote for a woman, just not THAT woman.”
And the fucking morons who said Hillary was “too corporate” will find some other bullshit “reason” why Warren won’t get their vote.
No, I haven’t had my caffeine yet, why do you ask?
MomSense
@Adam Geffen:
Put the kid in a backpack with a sun hat and give them the card/leaflet/brochures. Works like a charm.
debbie
@MomSense:
Really? I couldn’t change fonts when I used the fillable PDFs this year, but back when I had an accountant, the font he used didn’t match up.
rikyrah
Ninjette, The Real (@NinjetteTheReal) Tweeted:
@RepYvetteClarke @realDonaldTrump William Barr has an interesting history of actions with discriminatory purposes of removing non-white immigrants, such as he sent Haitian refugees to Gitmo.
Let me say that again: William Barr sent victims seeking asylum to Guantanamo Bay. https://t.co/2ssr8SCuGS https://t.co/rRqfPCxzji https://twitter.com/NinjetteTheReal/status/1117912433014652928?s=17
Adam Geffen
@MomSense:
*nods* Yea, I was thinking it could be endearing to have the kiddo with me. ?
ola azul
@MomSense:
Not as good (or as behaving) as a puppy, but close.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: If Sanders’ strategy is to do well early by winning a plurality of votes in a crowded field, the Iowa caucuses might be a problem for him. There are two rounds of voting. The first one shows which candidates can draw at least 15% of the vote present and be declared “viable.” Sanders can probably pass that. In the second round, supporters of non-viable candidates move around to their second choice. How many people will go to Sanders vs, say, Warren for their second choice?
This is all complicated by the fact that Iowa is allowing absentee caucus voting this cycle, so that’s a new factor.
Adam Geffen
@ola azul:
Oh golly, now I’m imaging canvassing for Warren with a puppy and my toddler. Cutenesses overload. ??
SFAW
@MomSense:
Well, that, and Carly Fiorina.
[Sorry, pet peeve of mine. She was feckin’ useless running HP and others]
OzarkHillbilly
@MomSense: OK.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
What happens if none of our 20 candidates get 15%?
MomSense
@Adam Geffen:
Especially when they throw all the leaflets on the ground and the homeowners rush out and help you pick them up. It’s a great way to talk about why you like the candidate so much you would try a crazy stunt like canvassing with a toddler.
ola azul
@SFAW:
A traditionalist I see. I can respect that. We gotta harbor here in Sitka named after a douchey politician: don’t nobody I know call it by his name.
satby
@debbie: but if it really was Jane doing their returns at home, shouldn’t it all match?
Baud
@MomSense:
Comic Sans will be his undoing.
OzarkHillbilly
@MomSense: And a “Warren for Prez” t shirt.
OzarkHillbilly
@Adam Geffen: Put a “Warren for Prez” t shirt on the pup too.
satby
@Baud: much as I hate caucuses, that’s pretty unlikely. More likely is the also-rans will be run off earlier, which would be a relief.
Baud
@MomSense:
Dems need a rent-a- toddler program.
Baud
@satby: I know it’s unlikely. I’m just curious what the rules are.
ola azul
@OzarkHillbilly:
N diapers for both that is emblazoned with a trDUMP logo.
OzarkHillbilly
@ola azul: HA!
Another Scott
@Baud: Great Smoky Mountains NP is free (a condition of it being made a park). Traffic into the park from Gatlinburg is horrible. But they find a way to make it work.
I really, really like #4. The parks should always be free – they exist for the benefit of everyone. They can find a way to limit traffic, etc.
The more I hear about Warren, the more I like her. I donated to her early, but I want to see the candidates mix it up in a debate or two before donating more.
Cheers,
Scott.
Spanky
@ola azul: Here in DC we have an airport named after a douchy politician. Everyone I know still calls it “National”.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Baud: I have no idea. I hope they’re planning for that somewhere.
OzarkHillbilly
Bureaucratic glitch: UK suspends visa enrollment for American citizens
The technical issue is they can’t yet tell whether somebody has voted for trump or not. Oh, wait a minute:
They haven’t finalized Brexit yet and they’re already broke? Boy, they are sooooooooo fucked.
SFAW
@Spanky:
Comparing that motherfucker to douchy politicians is an insult to douchy politicians everywhere. The destruction that he and his legacy have wrought on the USA goes far beyond being “douchy.”
[No, that’s not aimed at you, it’s aimed at RWR, that fuck. It was a good joke, and I would have appreciated the joke a lot more if I didn’t hate what Reagan did so much.]
CliosFanboy
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: I’ve used the New York World for the 1910s a lot. Looking back at their coverage it was generally pretty accurate. More so than the Times, and Hearst’s papers were about as accurate as Faux “News”
randy khan
Some good news: The main stained glass windows at Notre Dame appear to have been saved.
Rose windows still there
zhena gogolia
@NotMax:
I don’t even want to read the thread. You are going to catch hell. We’re not allowed to talk about things like that around here.
zhena gogolia
We need someone who can beat Trump. Full stop.
Of course that eliminates Sanders. Everyone else gets a chance to show us what they’ve got. But I have no preconceived requirements except that they beat Trump.
Immanentize
@satby: @debbie:
This should be easy to sort out -+ do the font variables in the Sanders’ returns match/line up with the missing attachments? That would be a reason for the forever delay.
I know, I know. I doubt it’s true, but I want it to be!
Immanentize
@Another Scott:
They can be free with a suggested donation.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’m glad the Immp decided not to attend St. Andrews
NotMax
@Immanentize
And free doesn’t preclude needing to make reservations during peak times.
Immanentize
@NotMax: Or visitor limitations….
NotMax
@Immanentize
Haleakala National Park here recently instituted a reservations policy for sunrise viewing hours.
MomSense
@debbie:
The returns are a mess. They didn’t release everything and some of the PDFs have inserted pages that are obviously different scans or photos. For example Harris returns are up to 100 pages with all the schedules, Klobuchar 80 pages, Sanders 18. Some of the entries don’t match up with the corresponding line numbers on the schedules. We need some tax attorneys to go over them for us but they look bizarre to me.
Kay
The NYTimes quotes Neera Teedran’s mother in their continuing coverage of the “Bernie Sanders is again being treated unfairly” story, which is just an extension of their 2016 “we hate Hillary Clinton” coverage.
It’s bizarre. Don’t they also have to call David Sirota’s mother now? Do they usually call the mothers of adult women to get commentary on the subject’s professional life? Is she in high school?
Immanentize
@NotMax: I went there for a night viewing session — it was fabulous. There were lots of people, but not overcrowded. Somehow we hit the one night in thirty with clear crisp skies. A true moment of wonder in my life.
Mousebumples
@NotMax: having been to Haleakala at sunrise twice (once before and once after the reservations policy went into effect), that’s due to space and parking concerns. There are only so many places for cars and people to go. It’s an amazing trek that I highly recommend doing if you’re in the area, but given that you need to leave 2-3 hours before sunrise to get to the top by sunrise…. This isn’t a trip that many would likely be taking as a last minute unplanned whim.
Immanentize
@MomSense: Someone will do that, undoubtedly. But Bernie already got his, “nothing unusual, but he is a millionaire” press moment. The guy is so Trump
rikyrah
Hit piece on Neera ??
Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) Tweeted:
This is bizarre. Interviewing someone’s mother??! Weirdly ignores part about CAP central role in ACA. https://t.co/VridtZVaxA https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1118126363167342592?s=17
Immanentize
After last night’s town hall, I wonder if Trump will say he is supporting Medicare for All? I think FOXbots were surprised how many people don’t hate the idea.
Baud
@Immanentize:
They’ll learn to hate it.
Kay
@MomSense:
I’m not by any means a tax attorney but I do look at a lot of tax returns and I think they’re poorly and sloppily done. Jane Sanders doesn’t know what she’s doing and it shows. I don’t think they’re faked or deliberately altered.
I have no idea why these people don’t just pay someone to do their taxes. They certainly have the money and it’s not that expensive. Unless Jane Sanders wasn’t doing literally anything else it doesn’t make sense for her to spend 10 hours on taxes every year. If I were a political actor I would spend it gladly, if only to avoid doing a bad job.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize:
FTFY, you’ll get my bill in the mail.
Immanentize
@Baud:
I suppose they will, but just bleating “socialism!” Doesn’t seem to be working as much this time around. I wonder if having Bernie on FOX is muting that critique?
Kay
@rikyrah:
It’s bizarre. They could have done a hit piece on this person without calling her mother.
I insist the professional political team at the NYTimes now call the parents of each and every political operative they report on. They can start with David Sirota’s, who is the other side of this fight.
WTF?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@MomSense: Good question.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: I am just a semi-retired carpenter with a tech employed wife who own their own home outright and we pay $60 ($80?) just to avoid the hassle. And the inevitable anxiety attacks.
rikyrah
b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) Tweeted:
“[I]f Omar is a target, it has little to do with what she said and everything to do with who she is: A black Muslim woman — and an immigrant — whose very person disrupts the exclusionary ideal of a white Christian America.” https://t.co/q07Vb4l3vA https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1118126333345837056?s=17
Uncle Cosmo
@whola azzole: Looks like you forgot to run this one through your Bogus Illiterate Hillbilly language-mangling post-processor. Or did you just get tired of putting in the extra work to sound like an ignorant hick? In any case, welcome to the land of coherent prose – we all knew you could do it! ;^D
(ETA: And then you went & spoiled it all in #26.)
Jeffro
Recipe for winning in 2020: Kamala Harris (who in all likelihood already holds 95% of Warren’s policy positions) running on 100% of Warren’s policy positions as president, + Buttigieg as VP, with Warren’s and Booker’s endorsements and slamming Bernie early and often for being a divisive non-Dem. Case closed, next!
rikyrah
Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) Tweeted:
I poured extensive research into this article. Could not imagine a better time to publish it.
“Barr’s Playbook: He Misled Congress When Omitting Parts of a Justice Department Memo in 1989”
https://t.co/cc6SHLxxet https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1117775920822149120?s=17
Immanentize
@Jeffro: I’ve expressed my Buttigieg concerns here before —
But DAMN! I would love to see a Buttigieg vs Pence debate.
rikyrah
Mother Jones (@MotherJones) Tweeted:
Facebook has become a place where companies can market fancy houses to white people and junk food to black children, where hate speech is amplified and the right to vote is suppressed. https://t.co/RB8KciSrSJ https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1118124358520721410?s=17
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
They could hire a small business! There are tons of solo tax preparers. It doesn’t have to be a CPA. They could avoid Big Tax and still get their forms completed properly and then it wouldn’t take them 4 years to hunt them up and lose the schedules, or whatever they did. You get a nice copy.
People who don’t know what they’re doing often believe the schedules are unimportant- “extra”- because they have no idea what they are or why they’re attached :)
Baud
@Immanentize:
I hope you’re right, but a town hall is not an election.
MomSense
@Kay:
I hope they are just sloppy and not nefarious but FFS they needed all this extra time to release them and then they give us sloppy with no attachments? I’d find sloppy easier to believe if they showed us how they got the numbers they did. It’s just classic Sanders, though. He calls for tougher election financing laws and doesn’t comply with the current laws. He wants to increase taxes but then randomly has farm income, lost money in rentals, tons of expenses on Jane’s antique business, random start up costs. It just seems really odd to me.
JPL
@rikyrah: That was one of the most embarrassing and disgusting article that I have read on the NYTimes. I did comment, but it hasn’t been approved yet. hmm
I refuse to provide a link to the hit piece.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Kay: If Wilmer were to some how get the nomination, the Vichy Times would drop a house bricks on him for being a Socialist.
But for now, they’ll lay off him so they can use him to attack Dems.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: We use a CPA running her own small town, 3 person office. Always good, very conscientious, gives good advice… In the scope of her business we can’t be more than 1/200,000,000th of her gross and yet she always has time to help us with whatever issues may come up.
MomSense
@MomSense:
Ok I take that back. I don’t find it odd. I find it suspicious. In my experience, when someone was really vague about money or gave the “just really busy” or “just disorganized” excuses – it always meant hiding something from me. So I’m probably not an objective observer of this issue.
ola azul
@Immanentize:
Inclined to think it ain’t Bernie on Fox so much as just the times in which we live. Or, put another way, think it’s more in the formulation of Charlie Pierce: people gots no money, people gots no jobs.
Wouldn’t-it-be-pretty-to-think-so Gooper ideology and free-market unicorns once innoculated many folks against the ooooh-scarrrry! charge of socialism. But Gooper “die-quicker-more-money-for-us-fuck-you” idealogy is a luxury folks’re increasingly finding they cannot afford. Even (gasp!) if they hate liberals.
The extent to which the Republican Party’s long-avowed bullshit “small-government trickle-down makers-not-takers” ideology has been exposed as a fraud that helps none but plutocrats and is only espoused by fools or con-men (or both! not mutually exclusive —–> see Paulie Blue Eyes, an unconquerably stupid true believer!) is somewhat overlooked. Think the erosion of that facade is become more evident, and think it’s why the natives is restless, even formerly well-trained sheeples.
The Goopers got literally *nothing* to offer to people that ain’t 1%ers. Nothing. At. Fucking. All.
So they try’n divide based on tribal lines. Which generally works, long’s your peeps can keep their heads above water. Which is becoming increasingly difficult.
If not, and things slide far enough into the shitter that even Foxbots, dear hearts, bless their souls, notice, well they might even consider (gasp!) voting for a black man for president.
(Or — an even bigger leap, I know! — they might even condescend to vote for a woman.)
imo
p.a.
I usually link this early in the month, but with so much shitshow I forgot, and after yesterday…
Anyhow it’s abril
Kay
@MomSense:
This is me but it’s based on long experience with a certain kind of Lefty here. I think of it as “self conscious” – The Sanders have to do their own tax returns because that’s what “the people” do. Bernie’s fans love this shit “oh, look, she filled them out by hand!” It’s very “authentic”. It gets on my nerves. Bernie and Jane Sanders are powerful, well-off people. They should stop pretending that they’re reporting for 3rd shift at the factory.
Uncle Cosmo
@Spanky: FWIW, here just outside DC we have an airport graced with the name of the first African American Supreme Court Justice – & everyone still calls it “BWI”. (The highway signs read “BWI Thurgood Marshall”.) And yet in Baltimore there is a Martin Luther King Jr, Boulvard & everyone calls it that (or “MLK” for short).
In my experience, renaming something that’s been around for awhile rarely sticks: the locals continue to use the name that settled in long before. It only works when the renamed item is fairly new. In Baltimore, the western center-city bypass originally called “Harbor City Blvd” was only a few years old when it was renamed for Dr King. By contrast, when I spent time in Lansing MI at the end of the last millennium, I discovered that locals almost always referred to their Martin Luther King Jr Blvd as Logan St., because it had been around for a long while under that name.
Brachiator
Democrats need to tone down the free shit. It’s a matter of spending priorities.
That said, I very much like many of Warren’s other proposals.
MomSense
@Kay:
A fucking men. Remember that song If I had a million dollars – well I would hire a fucking accountant. Damn.
Kay
@MomSense:
Jane Sanders was handling millions and millions of dollars in the 2016 campaign, if she was actually in charge of media buying. Did she do that at her kitchen table too? God, I hope not. Come on. It’s this horrible Lefty posturing.
OzarkHillbilly
@MomSense:
It’s OK, we forgive you. ;-)
ola azul
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Succinct, insightful, depressing cuz true.
Brachiator
@Uncle Cosmo:
More complicated than that. In some places, there are cities, streets, etc, on their third or more naming. In Los Angeles the renamed MLK Boulevard was quickly adopted. Maybe aided by demographic shifts, the old name has largely been forgotten. Also, this is reinforced by media mention of new names.
snoey
@Brachiator: They just raised the fees for Yellowstone etc. very significantly. This needs to be reversed. I’m not sure about free – people value what they pay for – but it should be all parks $10 a year or something like that. The parks, and the forests, need a huge budget increase to be able to do even the basic stuff right and it shouldn’t be based on user fees.
If you want to shoot down an undeserved freebie eliminate the half price camping I get on my old folks access card.
Kay
Sometimes lucky is better than smart. They are going to bring him out AGAIN.
SFAW
@Uncle Cosmo:
I done tole him he cain’t do dialect too gud. A good ole boy version of Damon Runyon he ain’t
More seriously: he’d be better served writing as if he were not showing off (or however one chooses to characterize it), since a number of things he has said are reasonably good.
But with Barbara Billingsley no longer here to provide translation — although I’m not sure she was certified in “hick” — one has to rely on Babelfish. Golly!
Brachiator
@Kay:
I haven’t had a chance to really look at them yet.
What’s the problem?
OzarkHillbilly
@Uncle Cosmo: When I was growing up, the main east west highway through the center of STL and suburbs was state hwy 40. Everybody called it hwy 40. Eventually (around about 2000) it was added to the interstate system and designated Interstate 64. I still call it Hwy 40, but the younger folks call it I-64. So in this case as all of us old fucks die out nobody will even remember that it was once or notice that it still is technically state Hwy 40.
Brachiator
@snoey:
Good points. Totally agree.
rikyrah
Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) Tweeted:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi takes another shot at socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), says a “glass of water” with a “D” next to it “would win” in Ocasio-Cortez’s district. https://t.co/sPbhEUTeir https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1117917866395717632?s=17
nativeprof
Warren’s proposal for free national parks is squarely in line with history. In the clash between wilderness advocates and the national park movement, the former were purists while the latter believed that making national parks accessible would foster broad public support for conservation. An example of a compromise was in Washington state, where the Mountaineers Club (WA’s Sierra Club) relented in supporting road-building in Rainier NP in exchange for keeping Olympic NP relatively undeveloped.
Warren basically has the best of both Roosevelt presidents, and charisma in spades.
Final postscript: To people who engage in the casual gaslighting of saying that the criticism from Indian country is a right-wing mirage or disinformation campaign, here is a resource I have been wanting to share:
http://www.criticalethnicstudiesjournal.org/blog/2018/12/19/syllabus-elizabeth-warren-cherokee-citizenship-and-dna-testing
Again, I still think Warren would make the best president since she is lapping the field in policy and has shown more contrition on this issue than Trump or Bernie have shown about anything, but the relentless attacks on indigenous scholars as pawns of the right are just wrong.
ola azul
@Uncle Cosmo:
You are a peculiar funny little man.
Will note: Closer reading of the post you were faux-valorizing me for (apparently so that you could grind yer inscrutable grammar axe later) woulda revealed, again were you paying attention, both a “betwixt” *and* a Pogoesque incongruity in verb tense. Which is sorta silly for you cuz it kinda defeats your insincere straw-man praise.
Perhaps you are one of those persons who nurses a grudge into the vanishing point of absurdity? Seems like.
How’z’bout this: You and I ignore each other. Are you equal to that? Works for me.
rikyrah
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
Bernie’s taxes are fucked up. Some examples:
2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2013= All were edited/revised in the box that asks for your self employment income to determine additional taxes owed ??
2014, 2011, 2009= Not full returns, and almost all years are missing attachments https://twitter.com/AnnAnnChe/status/1117965417752829952?s=17
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
Bernie’s taxes are fucked up. CONT
2013: Jane’s “small antique business” had $3,832 in gross sales, but a net profit of -$938 bc she wrote off a bunch of meals (no taxes owed on negative income)
2012: $5,300 rental income but negative -$25,256 in rental expenses? ? Yikes!
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
The deductions and write offs in general are pretty ridiculous. Bernie has written off $8,000 a year in meals on a few returns
Mysterious farm income was not only revised in 5 different returns, but required boxes were left blank or whited out
Charity deductions but no deets
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
I’m going through my old self employment taxes, and I don’t have any with different fonts ??♀️
And I have a 0 in Net Farm Profit. Bernie has a income there.
Some Bernie people swear its standard or Turbo Tax default but idk my taxes def don’t look like this. His look bonkers.
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
The sketchiest part feels like the deductions.
When you have a W2 job, your income and taxes are straight forward.
But they always have self employment income/unnamed gift contributions, etc. where they can create tons of deductions to offset how much they owe in taxes.
VoteForWomen ✊?✊?✊?✊?✊? (@AnnAnnChe) Tweeted:
They have so many deductions it plummets them in super low tax brackets- like 15% making over 200K?!
It honestly feels like they create side jobs/investments for opportunities to create deductions. And yeah I think they just make up a lot of deductions to get out of taxes.
…………..
Kim Wexler’s Ponytail (@MadisonKittay) Tweeted:
@AnnAnnChe @AnikoSz1 Transparency: Harris 2018 return is 100+ pages, Klobuchar is 80 pages, O’Rourke 2017 is 70 pages.
Sanders 2018 is 18 pages.
Something stinks here. https://twitter.com/MadisonKittay/status/1118006643277668352?s=17
Immanentize
On a personal very positive tax note — I am getting a very big refund this year. It really was a mood lifter with so much $$ goIng out the door this year. Helpful! But not worth the cause–
Of course, I am only getting it because this year (and this year alone!) I am a “qualified widower.”. That means I still received a double exemption as if filing jointly.
But as they say — do not try this at home!
Tenar Arha
@Jeffro: I’ve been imagining something like that too. If Warren is the nominee, great! She has all the plans & hopefully 2 terms to get stuff done.
But if she doesn’t become the nominee, she’ll be the main driver in the Senate making her plans happen. Because she’ll be there for this current, plus one more term. Which adds up to either 12 years in the Senate or 2 there plus 8 years in the White House. I think it’s a win-win combination.
Spanky
@MomSense:
Which is just about *everyone’s* experience, except perhaps the average Berniebro. So there are going to be more questions now than before they released … whatever it is that those things are.
Too bad. So sad. (Insert sad trombone.)
Lapassionara
@OzarkHillbilly: We are fairly new to the St Louis area and everyone I know says Highway 40. I don’t think the new name will ever stick among locals.
JPL
@Immanentize: I’m glad that you are getting a refund, but more importantly that you and your son are doing okay. Sometimes life sucks but you just have to keep moving forward.
Brachiator
@rikyrah:
If this is accurate, it is exceptionally stupid and pointlessly nasty.
It also insults the people in the district. This doesn’t sound like Pelosi.
Immanentize
@JPL: The alternatives to moving forward are really unattractive.
Immanentize
@Brachiator: I know nothing about it, but the context could have been a troll question expressing concern for Omar’s re-election chances?
ETA I’m on the train or I would look it up
OzarkHillbilly
@rikyrah:
I have to say this one in particular strikes me as not unbelievable, assuming it is for a single year (depending on what the other years show). One can rent out a house for only part of a year because a tree fell on it/water heater blew up/electrical fire/ etcetcetc, and then have to spend a very large amount of money fixing it because the insurance only covered damage directly related to the incident but a lot of other problems are than found.
Spanky
@rikyrah: I took the time to watch the video (unusual for me), and that’s a total mischaracterization of what Speaker Pelosi actually said. Unfortunately, most folks will just go by the tweet. So Mission Accomplished @RealSaavedra! Your ratfucking will keep working!
Gin & Tonic
@Uncle Cosmo: There’s a traffic jam in Harlem
That’s backed up to Jackson Heights.
There’s a scout troop short a child,
Kruschev’s due at Idlewild
Although people generally don’t call it “Idlewild” any more.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: We’re getting back from state and fed app $4500, a real surprise considering the # of fuck ups were made by trump and state GOP compounded by one of my own.
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
I don’t think either of them are exciting speakers. Other than their abilities to rile up single issue people with hate, what have BS and DT got? Maybe I’m confusing enduring one note speaker with exciting.
OzarkHillbilly
@Lapassionara: My sons and their friends use I-64 if they bring it up, Hwy 40 if I do.
Adam Geffen
@Immanentize:
“I am a “qualified widower.”. That means I still received a double exemption as if filing jointly.”
Oh my. Condolences. ~hugs~ ?
Also, I didn’t realize it worked that way (I took tax law pass-fail in law school for good reason. ?Tax stuff just makes my mind go numb). Not exactly a tax benefit to look forward to. My husband and I just got married about three years ago.
Gin & Tonic
@Immanentize: I guess that makes me look a little differently on my large non-refund this year. Somehow I suspect you’d rather have paid the big bucks like I did.
Sorry.
polyorchnid octopunch
@Baud: We had a weekly protest at City Hall here, by the Sisters of Providence (a local convent) protesting the penurious cuts to social services brought in by the Mike Harris Conservative government in the nineties. It ran for twenty years.
Here’s their “About Us” page: https://www.providence.ca/about-us/
OzarkHillbilly
@Brachiator: Upon reading that my first reaction was, “It’s true, isn’t it?” Just as a tree stump followed by an (R) would get elected in Mississippi (tho apparently not a pedophile in Alabama- who knew?). As @Immanentize: said, I’d like to get the context.
Baud
@Brachiator:
@Spanky:
Always check to see where the quotation marks are.
Uncle Cosmo
@zhena gogolia: Cosign enthusiastically – with one caveat.
If I’m running the DNC I’m polling like crazy to get a handle on how gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation affect candidates’ ability to attract the votes we need to take down the Tang DyedNasty. If I’m running the campaign of a candidate of non-traditional gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation, I’m doing the same. And I’m also probing for how to present the candidate to best effect – in particular how to counter the crap the GOP will most assuredly throw. (Which means being ruthlessly honest about the candidate’s vulnerabilities, real and bogus.)
The caveat is this: Our eventual candidate not only has to depose Cheetoh Benito, s/he has to govern in the teeth of a large hostile minority hairtriggered to plunge the nation into chaos. Keep in mind that in a time of slower communication & much slower travel, South Carolina (“too small for a nation, too large for an insane asylum”) seceded 44 days after the 1860 election (& only 15 days after the electors met “in their several states” to cast the votes that would make Abraham Lincoln POTUS), & the first shots were fired at Fort Sumter** only 39 days after Lincoln’s inauguration.
Sometimes it feels like 2019 is a bad reboot of 1859 – I so do not want 2020-21 to go down that path, & neither should yinz.)
**Fun fact: The first deaths by hostile action in the Civil War occurred, not at Fort Sumter, but in downtown Baltimore a week later. You could look it up.)
Brachiator
@Adam Geffen:
You also have to have a dependent child. You get the benefit for two tax years.
polyorchnid octopunch
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Warren was never going to take those votes away from Bernie. There are some she can get from him, but there’s going to be a pretty large core that’s going to play PUMA if they don’t get everything they want, no matter what.
Brachiator
@Immanentize:
Same with me. I’m on my commute.
Also I see the Fox News site pimping the quote, so it must be bullshit or out of context.
Doug R
Free national parks? What’s next, nationwide legal cannabis?
ola azul
@Immanentize:
Have that grievous misfortune in common. Had sorta gleaned that thru context in comments, but did not realize it was so recent. Very sorry. As one feeling human to another, know it hurts, and ain’t nothing nobody can say makes it better, ‘cept to know they care.
But will say: Greatly admire your ability to mix humor and pathos in the face a personal tragedy. Laugh to keep from crying, right?
Doug R
@rikyrah:
News to Joe Crowley.
Gelfling 545
@Emma: I was about to write something similar. He has the pauses and uhs one produces when speaking in a language one doesn’t often use. Something with which I have experience as my moderate fluency has long since faded to functionality.
ETA Google translate sucks, by and large.
rikyrah
Are they REALLY thinking of running Roy Moore again in Alabama?
That’s got to be a joke.
OzarkHillbilly
@Doug R: They were picking between 2 glasses of water, one they couldn’t drink from no matter how thirsty they were because it was too busy in DC to even bother talking with them, and the other was walking around their neighborhoods, asking them if they were thirsty and then offering to slake their thirst.
O. Felix Culpa
@Doug R: Per other commenters, it’s a distortion of what Pelosi actually said. We have to be careful not to jump into the faux outrage machine. Verify first.
rikyrah
Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) Tweeted:
Dems Raise $75M Across Many Campaigns, Signaling Lengthy Fight Ahead https://t.co/JJaknCtXPD via @TPM https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1118124744237252614?s=17
OzarkHillbilly
@rikyrah: Alabama is a joke. Isn’t it? Or at least the punch line.
BlueGirlFromWyo
@Aleta: I wasn’t aware you could sue for your own inability to manage your way out of a paper bag. Who mismanages their contractors that badly? Well, that explains why Mango Mussolini’s so lawsuit happy.
Ruckus
@MomSense:
It’s called right for thee and not for me.
A very entitled viewpoint of everyone else.
Immanentize
@Gin & Tonic: OT — Hope you are still here — Link to a short description of my talk with time and place, etc.
chopper
@rikyrah:
so he didn’t release his full returns. what the fuck is it with this guy and his allergy to the concept of financial transparency? wait, don’t answer, i have a good guess.
of course, his stans will wave this away the same way they did his release of a summary of a single year back during the last campaign. “see? he released his taxes, now shut up!”
joel hanes
@Gin & Tonic:
Ooh! Ooh!
I know that one!
Uncle Cosmo
@Brachiator: Basically the same thing – the previous name(s) hadn’t been in use for long enough, recently enough, to firmly attach themselves.
Slightly o/t but possibly pertinent here – Many years back I took an “enrichment course” in Russian with a State Department translator as instructor. He offered up an insight that for me was worth the price of the course: The only words in any language that are irregular in construction of tenses/declensions/etc. are those in frequent use (or are directly derived from those in frequent use, e.g., added prefix/suffix). The majority of native speakers remember & apply those irregularities because they’re continually reinforced. If a word starts out as irregular but is rarely used, most native speakers won’t remember that & will instead apply the regular rules for conjugation or declension, & in short order usage regularizes the word.
rikyrah
Trump hires new legal team to fight release of tax returns
Rachel Maddow reports that even as Donald Trump has hired new lawyers to fight to keep Trump’s tax returns away from public view, subpoenas to financial institutions from Congress, looking into Donald Trump’s finances are multiplying faster than Trump’s lawyers can’t issue threats.
joel hanes
@polyorchnid octopunch:
Thank you.
I’m remembering silent candlelight protests against the Viet Nam war held on church lawns, and some people named Berrigan.
L85NJGT
@Brachiator:
Fair Economist
@Amir Khalid:
I’ll put on my scientist hat for a moment. The press is claiming Warren has less “charisma”. How do they measure that? The answer is they don’t, and so any comment they make about “charisma” is just something they make up to push some agenda.
O. Felix Culpa
@L85NJGT: Thank you for this synopsis. Quite different from the selective out-of-context outrage snippet, no?
Aleta
@MomSense:
Diane Walsh
Wednesday, August 28th, 2019
Chebeague Island Community Association
Recital – 7:00 PM
Chebeague Island Methodist Church
258 N. Road, Chebeague Island, Casco Bay Maine 04017
Program TBA
(Her website calendar)
Fair Economist
@rikyrah: That’s not a shot against AOC. Pelosi said the same about her own district.
Uncle Cosmo
@Kay: “Teen Acres is the place for me…” And in place of Zsa Zsa the last line becomes: “Dollink I love you but wait till I reach the age of consent…”
(Yeah, I know it doesn’t scan:
Take it up with my Guangdong lawyer, Su Mi.)
Captain C
@NotMax: The thought of Senator Warren with subpoena power is delicious.
O. Felix Culpa
@Fair Economist:
Hmmm, what agenda could that be, I wonder? Rhymes with *misogyny,* perhaps? I am so so, so sick of the disempowering of capable women and POC. The talent lost and the shitstains won. Blech.
joel hanes
@Uncle Cosmo:
There was a young man of South Bend
Whose limericks tended to end
Quite suddenly.
Gin & Tonic
@Fair Economist:
Not just press. It extends even to commenters on an almost-top-10,000 lefty blog.
Immanentize
@L85NJGT: That sounds like the speech of a leader. I like how she equates her district with Ocasio-Cortez’
zhena gogolia
@Brachiator:
I believe that she says something like, “just as in my own district.”
Gin & Tonic
@Immanentize: Hey, thanks, but making it to Tremont St. for 4:00 pm on a Thursday is just vanishingly unlikely, sorry.
So I guess I’ll have to wait until Friday to find out about the ducks.
StringOnAStick
@ola azul: On your music question, we saw a local band (Denver) last Friday night that knocked our socks off; they were the warm up band and we found them to be the most impressive: The Dollhouse Thieves. They were short 1 bass player so the usual guitarist took that role and the lead singer took over on acoustic. When they first came out the lead played a screaming Klezmer inspired but very modern clarinet lead, and I had a suspicion that she was fairly pregnant; then she put on her guitar and removed all doubt that she was really pregnant. As hard as she was working that clarinet I was wondering if she was going to go into labor right then and there. All the people in the band and music instructors with degrees in the same, and they rocked the place hard. We went right home and bought their CD. All very eclectic music that they write themselves, acoustic, gypsy jazz and zydeco influenced, alt folk, etc. Fabulous.
Fair Economist
@Immanentize: Judis was also the one who wrote that astonishingly irrelevant anti-immigration screed beating a straw horse about ridiculous claims nobody ever made. Which TPM had frontpaged for YEARS.
Adam Geffen
@Brachiator:
1. This is why I took tax law pass fail and while I did pass, don’t ever hire me as a tax lawyer. ?
2. @Immanentize I’m a new parent (have a 2yo). So many ~hugs~ to you and yours.
Immanentize
@Gin & Tonic: I am hoping that we will record it and put it on the site. Or record my voice and I can overlay the powerpoint….
Uncle Cosmo
@OzarkHillbilly: Is that US 40? Runs right through the heart of Baltimore as Franklin St. (westbound) & Mulberry St. (eastbound) bracketing the Central Library & Basilica of the Assumption, but changes names when it emerges as two-way to the west (Edmonson Ave.) and east (Orleans St., changing to Pulaski Hwy.) Outside the city we call it “Route 40 West/East” (of the city) until it’s subsumed by I-70, then I-68 in the west. /tmi
(Traveling west on I-70, I get a chuckle out of a distance signpost just west of the eastern terminus:
You can read about the genesis of the sign here.)
Miss Bianca
@Aleta: ooh, Chebeague! My first experience of Maine! How lovely to think of going to a concert there!
rikyrah
@Immanentize:
positive thoughts for you and Little Imma. :)
Immanentize
@Fair Economist: That guy is a jackass.
Immanentize
@Adam Geffen: Ahhh, 2 year olds! You do understand that they grow up to become teenagers, right?
Immanentize
@StringOnAStick: I saw the Talking Heads twice on the same tour when Tina Weymouth was VERY pregnant — but that did not stop her sick bass moves.
Adam Geffen
@Immanentize:
Re teenagers: ~sigh~ the speed of time passing with children is wonderous and frightful. My little one is just at the beginning of talking. More and more words by the week.
Last week he did something that melted my heart (again). I did something (don’t recall what) that amused him and he said: “oh, dada”. With absolutely perfect cadence and pitch to signal his wry amusement.
Amir Khalid
@Ruckus:
You and I might not find Trump and Wilmer exciting, but that’s okay with them. As you note, each is good at getting his base excited; and that’s all these two care about.
Immanentize
@Adam Geffen: I have a list of the Immp’s words at that age — I can’t tell you where it is. But it’s so great when I accidentally come upon it and then lose it again.
I like to joke that the arc of his language was:
“Truck!”
“Turtle”
“That’s not fair!”
Adam Geffen
@Immanentize:
“I like to joke that the arc of his language was:
“Truck!”
“Turtle”
“That’s not fair!””
❤️??
Adam Geffen
@Immanentize:
Also the list of words is a good idea. I hadn’t thought about that. I’m going to start keeping track for historical reminiscing.
rikyrah
A brave chaplain and a human chain saved holy relics from Notre Dame
CBSNews
opiejeanne
@Brachiator: King County, Washington State was renamed King County in honor of MLK. Made it easy to get people to use the new name.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam Geffen: When my son was about 3, we were driving somewhere, he picked up something that was lying on the back seat and said “Dad, what does ‘I once was lost but now I’m found’ mean?”
I wasn’t aware that he knew how to read.
SFAW
@joel hanes:
Good one!
JustRuss
@Kay:
Well if there’s one thing the last couple years have taught us, electing a president who knows everything and doesn’t have to listen to experts will work out just fine.
J R in WV
@Baud:
Maybe the Southern Black churches fighting segregation since 1865?? For one?
Mandalay
Ted Cruz is a bullshitter, absurd drama queen, idiot and opportunist in equal measure:
MomSense
@Immanentize:
?
MomSense
@Aleta:
Oooh awesome. Thank you. She really is spectacular.
Brachiator
@L85NJGT:
Appreciate the larger context provided for what Pelosi said. It’s clear that no attack on AOC was intended.
@StringOnAStick:
Sounds like fun.
They have a couple of YouTube clips. For example, The Dollhouse Thieves “Faint Line” -Tiny Desk Contest 2019
Thanks
L85NJGT
@Mandalay:
Are we no longer eating Freedom Fries?
Mandalay
@Mandalay: Joe Scarborough: the fire at Notre Dame is
Mike Barnacle:
These blowhards are absolutely shameless.
Kay
Team Trump at the NYTimes offers some political punditry to Democrats. I didn’t think it was possible but they’re actually worse than in 2016. Now they don’t cover the candidates at all.
Mandalay
@Mandalay: Katty Kay:
Mika Brzezinski:
Just stop, you vile, pathetic fuckers.
Kay
If anyone is interested in the Democrat candidates rather than abstract, pulled out of their asses observations about the Democratic electorate, Dave Weigel at the Washington Post covers all of them, every day.
If you need a break from the minute to minute coverage of Donald Trump’s television viewing.
jl
@L85NJGT: “and not to diminish the exuberance, and the personality, and the rest of Alexandria and the other members…but the 43 districts—we won 43, net gain of 40—were right down the middle. mainstream, hold-the-center victories.”
That is a facty type statement that can be checked and argued over based on platforms of who ran.
I am a Warren supporter, and have a much more progressive stance than Pelosi. But I think the corporate media, and various operators operating from their own viewpoints and for various interests, often highlight out of context quotes. For example, clear that the (IMHO fraudulent) 60 Minutes interview with Pelosi cherry picked her quotes.I don’t pay much attention to out of context sound bites or ‘print bytes’.
I think Pelos is overly cautious on progressive policies, but she isn’t shutting any viewpoint down.
plato
And you thought the rethugs were the ultimate craven cowards.
Peale
@Mandalay: I just did a spot check and western civilization hasn’t keeled over just yet from the wound. At least out my window. McDonald’s is still open, at least. So we’re good.
Peale
@plato: Isn’t he like 900 years old already?
Mandalay
@Kay: Also, yesterday Uncle Ebeneezer posted a great link which summarizes the policy positions of the candidates:
https://politicalcharge.org/category/2020-candidates/
Going there is far less painless than visiting the web site of each candidate. In fact the whole web site is pretty awesome.
Kay
@plato:
I think it could happen here, except Trump wouldn’t bother with a constitutional amendment or approval. He would simply yell a lot and hire a lot of lawyers and hacks to bury us in bullshit. I’m no longer 100% confident in a peaceful transfer of power at the end of this, and I was confident in that the day he was elected. I think there would be a substantial group of powerful people who would insist staying in power past term is within his power. We would then “debate” it, forever, or until he left voluntarily, either one.
J R in WV
@rikyrah:
This is obviously true, it is a nearly pure Blue D district. The Amazeballs part is that Ocasio-Cortez won a poorly contested (by the incumbent) primary by an overwhelming margin!! Which somehow few people mention when attacking her for being too left wing. It’s NYC, folks…
Kay
@Mandalay:
I’m not as policy focused as I have been in the past. I’m looking for someone who can somehow battle their way past all this bullshit and get us out of this. I lost interest in the Trump reality show 6 months ago. I want out. Show the way, and they’ve got my support.
plato
@Kay: Oh, how the murkans used to mock the banana ‘republics’. Karma, I guess.
@Peale: He will be when his ‘term’ ends.
J R in WV
@ola azul:
There you go. “…Incongruity in verb tense.” Pogo had to get all of his philosophy into a little square on the funny pages. I loved that whole series. Have the books!
Just saying. Your contribution would be so much more valuable if everyone could read it. Plus Pogo was long ago, and you do it so poorly; he used a much lighter hand than you.
“We have met the enemy, and he is us” for example.
J R in WV
@Kay:
I think the full-time civil service folks of DC are getting mighty tired of Trump’s bullshit, and would drag him out of the White House with the willing and able assistance of the Secret Service. Assuming there is an election. I have been wrong before, however…
catclub
@rikyrah:
does anybody else laugh at this? Crown of thorns put on a guy in Palestine, discarded and forgotten on the day it was woven, a recreated version probably gets sold to Constantine’s mother when she is laying down the stations of the cross 300 or so years later.
what a gulli-bull as Bugs bunny would say.
Dan B
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: There are so many charismatic women leaders. Lets go back to Shirley Chisholm, Coretta Scott King, Gloria Steinem, and Ann Richards. There are a hyge number. This idea that women have to be tough, or the false concept of “macho for women” is breathtakingly ignorant. Michelle Obama and her husband rarely feel the need to macho/angry it in order to seem competent. It may be more true that the angry and the puffed up macho are showing off their lack of competence, charisma, or power.
BTW, great list of current chaismatic and competent women!
opiejeanne
@J R in WV: Thank you. I find Ola’s posts difficult, tedious to read because of the way he writes instead of just getting to the point.
I spent several years working on a novel (which I finally finished and am putting off rewriting) set in the Missouri Ozarks during the Civil War, and a lot of the dialogue is spelled the way I heard it much later from my family there. I had to stop it at one point not only because it was tedious but I was overdoing it in the case of two characters, and toned it way down. And I wasn’t even using the overworked cliche comments made by hillbillies in most depictions. No “Tarnation!”, none of that stuff, no amusingly crotchety old grandfather yellin’ ’bout them damned Secesh! Ok, maybe a little of that.
I never did put in the thing my grandmother said, “Things isn’t what they used to was.” She was right, but that’s not the point.
Uncle Cosmo
@ola azul:
Looked in the mirror lately? (Giving you the benefit of the doubt on whether you have a reflection.)
I worked as an applied mathematician/statistician & am broadly familiar with delta-epsilon proofs and confidence intervals. And besides, a touch of wordplay is often not a bad thing. Entire lengthy posts in your version of dialect is something else. You occasionally post stories or insights of some interest, but you insist in forcing readers to fight their way through your incoherent-ignoramus shtick to get to them. It shows a deep disrespect for your audience.
I am looking forward (far, far forward, I hope) to lapsing into Irish Alzheimer’s – in which one forgest everything but one’s grudges. Even though I have no Irish in me (other than the Jameson’s & Harp that occasionally traverse my alimentary canal.)
Do as you will. I reserve the right to note upon occasion – not for your benefit but for that of your readers – how your customary intentional incoherence disrespects them,
afanasia
@Brachiator: The first quote from Pelosi in that article calls AOC a wonderful memeber of Congress.
Uncle Cosmo
@Gin & Tonic:
So really only Idlewild informally & for only 15 years. I wonder how long it took for people to get used to calling it JFK? My guess, the 2-3 years it took for the shock of the assassination to diminish.
afanasia
@Brachiator: The first quote from Pelosi in that article calls AOC a wonderful member of Congress.
Adam Geffen
@Gin & Tonic:
I love surprises like that. :-D
tarragon
@StringOnAStick:
Oooh thanks. I just started listening and it’s great so far.
Uncle Cosmo
@Doug R: In fact not, since this refers (whether or not the Speaker actually said anything close to it) to the general election. Crowley was “Joe Glass-O’Water (D)” for 20 years before his primary loss to AOC.
sigyn
@snoey: “If you want to shoot down an undeserved freebie eliminate the half price camping I get on my old folks access card.”
Not when I’m just finding out about it!
Dan B
@Immanentize: A Pence vs Pete debate would be good but it may not take that. The head of Operation Rescue is planning to protest (attack?) every Buttigieg appearance in Iowa. The christianists are ramping up the fury. The “debate” may happen in public. Pence can tut tut about how he worked with Pete.
BTW the attacks on Pete will be consistent and persistent until they put a wedge between progressive men and women, between POC and gays, between centrists and anti-establishment Dems. Once that’s done the attacks will ramp up on Harris (wealthy, cop, not black?) and any other front runner. Who will this benefit?
Brachiator
@afanasia:
Yep. The out of context stuff was misleading. Thanks.
catclub
@J R in WV:
not just DC. OMB office is proposing another year of zero cost of living increase for fed workers.
Uncle Cosmo
@joel hanes: Well played, but I’d replace the last line with
for greater effect.
debbie
@MomSense:
If you have the full Acrobat product, you can read who “owned” each page and when that page was created. I too am suspicious of this.