Election 2020 Open Thread: Kamala Harris Will Be Hard to Beat

And if we can afford to lose any Senator, surely one from California should be relatively easy to replace with another Democrat!

Thanks to commentor LAMH for the following clips:

And, of course, Harris knows how retail politics works…

Sellers, who is from Denmark, S.C., will campaign with Harris and formally announce his support for the California Democrat during a Saturday town hall at South Carolina State University in Orangeburg. Harris is returning to the state on Friday for a town hall at Winthrop University in Rock Hill.

Harris has made early investments in the state given its central role in her fight for the nomination. Ahead of her presidential announcement — and before she and top surrogates began holding events across the state — Harris attended a gala for the nation’s oldest black sorority, Alpha Kappa Alpha.

Nearly 4 in 10 voters in the 2016 South Carolina Democratic presidential primary in the state were black women — and Harris has been working to lock down local endorsements, including from state Rep. Pat Henegan of Marlboro; Berkeley County Democratic Party Chair Melissa Watson; and Marguerite Willis of Florence, an attorney and a former gubernatorial candidate…

Harris’ weekend swing also includes headlining an event with the Orangeburg County Democratic Party and a meeting with faith and community leaders in Holly Hill. She then will attend Easter Sunday service at Bible Way Church in Columbia.






183 replies
  1. 1
    Mike in DC says:

    She needs to stand out strongly in the debates, but I do believe she’s at least potentially the strongest candidate.

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    ThresherK says:

    Harris is bursting with what we might call “charisma” in male candidates.

    –Chris Cillizza, probably

    (Stolen from Sady Doyle at Medium.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mike in DC: Perhaps we should incorporate feats of strength to the debates?//

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    laura says:

    IIRC, Senator Harris has been quietly getting her ground game on for the early primaries, not necessarily including Iowa, but building a momentum going into Super Tuesday. I hope my Senator becomes the nominee and is open to the best policies on offer by fellow dems including Senator Warren’s rebuilding regulatory oversight and sources of tax revenue, Jay Inslee’s focus on Climate Change, criminal justice reform, improving healthcare, immigration reform, focusing on children and our obligation to the future. Who’d make a good running mate with so many to choose from – today, I’d say Julian Castro would be a good choice.

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    Damien says:

    My top pick goes back and forth between Warren and Harris. But dammit, we have such a ridiculously strong field.

    So strong we can even ridicule some!

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    hugely says:

    re: feats of strength – This woman makes me want to do sit ups

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    sdhays says:

    I think any candidate who doesn’t consider her as the one to beat is a fool.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @laura: Buttigieg might make an interesting running mate. Our candidates are light on foreign policy and his status as a vet might matter to people. And I would just love to see him in a debate with Mike Pence.

    More conventionally, Chris Murphy speaks persuasively about FP. I don’t think most voters have strong, fixed ideas about foreign policy, but they want someone they can tell themselves is competent and thoughtful, or as we have now (a simulacrum of) “tough”.

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    khead says:

    I keep telling folks that the (now) early California primary and the South Carolina endorsements are – if I may quote another (possible) candidate – A BIG FUCKING DEAL for Kamala.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    Ground game ground game ground game. Especially in early months, it is huge. Organizing the ground is everything.
    *Senator Harris is my candidate.
    In the bros for beto group i belong to from the senate race, there was a shout out about what was happening to him. A wilmerite replied with “analysis” that called harris the corporate candidate. I replied I was in her top 2% of donors at about 250 bucks. The Beto crowd is cool. They laughed at the guy and asked me, basically that if I now am in charge like large, what will my platform be? We had a great laugh at the expense of Wilmer’s STAN.

    My interactions with beto’s fundraisers in declining to contribute have also been upstanding and nice. They noted my preference and said Kamala Harris is also “awesome!”

    Without Wilmer, this primary could have been fun. he salts every earth and poisons every well. Divides families that used to be able to talk politics.

    Kamala: Not as qualified as Hillary – But more qualified than your candidate

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Mike in DC: Yep. I like her a lot out of a field of highly qualified candidates. She’s my favorite at the moment.

    BUT I’m the spirit of women having to be twice as good to get half the recognition, she has to make a great impression in the first debate.

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    Gretchen says:

    She’s my favorite with Warren a close second. I might go the other way tomorrow. I like Mayor Pete for VP.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @VeniceRiley: I’m not surprised that the Beto crowd are good folks – or that they dogged the Burniebro. Harris is doing lots of cool fundraisers in CA; I talked to a photographer yesterday who’s worked some of them – and I scored a great pic of John Legend at his piano with his Grammy wall next to him. Granted it’s a promo card for his business, but it was nice of him to give it to me since he knows I’m not gonna hire him. And my employer already has done so.

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    Suzanne says:

    Senator Harris is my top choice at this point. She’s compelling and exciting to watch.

    Originally, I saw Beto as her strongest VP, but I could see Mayor Pete, too.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I’m Team Kamala, assuming that white men are ok in her diverse coalition!

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    eemom says:

    Meh. If she’d lived up to her “brilliant former prosecutor” hype during the Kavscum hearings that debacle might not have ended the way it did.

    What does that mean? Well, very specifically, a piece of damning corroborating evidence from his weirdo calendars came out when the republican shill asked her last question — which ANY lawyer worth a shit would have pounced on — and she, together with all the other geniuses we’ve got on the judiciary committee, ALLOWED the republicans to bury it…..as even they had the sense to recognize what a bombshell it was. (the infamous “‘skis” entry which fit the time frame and named the other assholes Dr. Ford said were there on the night the assault took place).

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    Clennon.W.King says:

    i have a great feeling about kamala harris. a great feeling

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @MisterForkbeard: I’m of the spirit of … The Media near ignored the Womens’ March. The media was surprised at what happened in 2018 in the primaries and in the general. Women ran. Women won. Women of all colors. it’s where the energy in the party is. Tepublicans attack WOC because they understand this. Media Bros and Republicans know we can do it again. Imagine the turnout in 2020. It must be enthusiasm from the base.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    Without Wilmer, this primary could have been fun. he salts every earth and poisons every well. Divides families that used to be able to talk politics.

    I’m now seeing the Bernie people gloating about Bernie’s frontrunner status and posting parodic inversions of liberals’ “you should support the nominee” memes with a powerful “see how you like it, assholes” subtext.

    If Bernie wins the primary, I will eat all the shit necessary.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @eemom: the outcome of that hearing, like the outcome of all hearings in the Turtle’s senate, was a forgone conclusion

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @VeniceRiley: Among the reasons I’m Team Kamala, and I’m happy to report that the young white guy (mentioned above) I know who’s met her says she’s very impressive in person. And he’s met some folks who were impressive enough to get elected POTUS, so I credit his opinion as an informed one.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    I would weep with joy to see her beat Trump.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @MisterForkbeard:

    she has to make a great impression in the first debate.

    She makes a great impression in the video clips in the OP. Hope she can wrangle some good TV before the debates.
    I particularly liked the clip titled: “This is how a black woman wins the general election.” – she unabashedly states her law-enforcement creds.
    “I have personally prosecuted homicide cases. I am all about locking up somebodyy who rapes a women, molests a child, or murders a human being.”

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @laura: My beef with the continuance of fronting Iowa and New Hampshire is that it tips the playing field every cycle to the concerns and preferences of white people in an increasingly diverse country. it’s as horrible as the electoral college.

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    eemom says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Please. If that’s YOUR attitude as a lawyer, you must have some very unhappy clients.

    Maybe that’s why you travel so much….? 😏

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    sdhays says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It has never made sense to me that “being in the military” somehow equates to “having foreign policy experience”. I don’t mean that military experience is worthless, it’s just that I don’t understand how our discourse allows it to “check the box” on foreign policy experience. I’ve lived overseas for several years, but I don’t go around pretending like that means I have “foreign policy experience”. I may have some small insights into how non-Americans live and their perspective, but that’s not foreign policy.

    I’m still constantly reminded, though, that even our joke candidates have more foreign policy and governing experience than the sitting President of the United States has today after more than 2 years on the job…

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    Trabb's Boy says:

    Those were great! Harris for President all the way.

    Beto or Butto for VP as a sop to the dudebros and to the folks who live in flyover country. Castro needs to get better at catching the media’s attention. If he can, it sure would be good to have some strong advocacy for latinos, to encourage more voting Democratic in Texas and Florida.

    Warren would be a fine President, but I’d prefer to see her as Secretary of the new Department of Putting the Fucking Brakes on the Corporate Theft of the People’s Assets.

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    khead says:

    Also, it’s been a while so have some kittehs.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @laura: Jay Inslee’s good on disability too. That’s an area most candidates ignore (a notable exception was Hillary).

    I don’t have a favorite right now — too hard to choose — though I have a definite list titled “No way, unless it’s the general and then I guess so.”

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    oldgold says:

    I think there is a very good chance that Kamala Harris is the Democratic nominee.

    After Iowa and New Hampshire, the primary map/ calendar sets up very nicely for Kamala (Nevada-2/22; South Carolina-2/29; Alabama, California, North Carolina, Virginia-3/3; Louisiana-3/7).

    If Kamala is our candidate, I predict VP Ass Kisser Without Shame gets the boot in favor of Nikki Haley.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @eemom: I must have had some too, since I agree the outcome was a a foregone conclusion. Oddly, those very unhappy clients forgot to tell me, or to mention it to their friends they referred.

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    lamh36 says:

    @ccadelago
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    Fascinating regional search distribution with Joe Biden in the Upper Midwest and Kamala Harris in the South, Northern California and Nevada, via @WSJPolitics
    https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1118328549012799488

    I’m off to bed soon, but just had to pass by and say it’s interesting to thing about who Chump hasn’t singled out to ridicule or talk up .

    Says to me he or at least his people consider them a real challenge so he doesn’t want to directly talk them up…so he hasn’t had much to say about Kamala or Pete or Beto…the others he has spoken of mostly is Biden and Bernie. That tells me he thinks he can go toe to toe with them, at least in his mind.

    Amy, Liz Warren and Gillibrand he just sees more women to ignroe, except Warren who he thinks he’s arleady taken care of with the racist Pochahontas bullshit

    As you already know, my choice of top of the Dem ticket is Kamala, I’m not adverse to seeing Pete as VP, but not top of the ticket, if for anything other than I’d like the idea of Pete, an out gay man, debatig that homophobe Pence.

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    lamh36 says:

    @notcapnamerica
    13m13 minutes ago
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    .@NicolleDWallace: “My twitter feed is full of complaints about us not covering some of the other candidates like Kamala Harris..”
    https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1118356028037447680

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    lamh36 says:

    Alright…I’m off to bed, but ICYMI: here is the Hardball segment that has everyone on twitter cussing out Andrew Sullivan for being his usual insufferable self…

    @notcapnamerica
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    Andrew Sullivan is a racist and a misogynist.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if he was under the influence of something during this segment.

    Why did @HardballChris allow him to interrupt and condescendingly dismiss @ZerlinaMaxwell ?
    https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1118330585305501696

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    Warren told me her first piece of domestic policy legislation would be an anti-corruption bill.

    — Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) April 17, 2019

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    frosty says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m kinda there too. I hope she expands the diverse coalition to old bald fat short white guys.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @lamh36: Pete vs Pence would be an epic battle of the deep voices. Bt Pete is what we used to have as a Log Cabin Republican befre their party decided small tent was the way to go.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @eemom: I am always heartened to see Steve reporting from Someplace Else. It is evidence that there are still unions all over out there with which management must reckon.

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    I try not to get too attached this early on, but damn, every time I hear her speak I think, I’m hearing a future president.

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    sdhays says:

    @lamh36: I have a hard time imagining Trump that sophisticated. He’s afraid of Biden because Biden is also an old white man and is associated with Obama, who Trump knows would have thumped him hard if he had run against him. Bernie helped him out last time around, so he’ll keep going to that well. And Warren “persisted” and got noticed early on. Until any of the others show up on his “Executive Time” TV schedule, I doubt he even knows they exist.

    He’s a stupid man who visibly loses mental capacity by the day.

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    feebog says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    My beef with the continuance of fronting Iowa and New Hampshire is that it tips the playing field every cycle to the concerns and preferences of white people in an increasingly diverse country. it’s as horrible as the electoral college.

    This. But the built in bias can be overcome. With such a large field there are still going to be quite a few candidates left after New Hampshire. Harris’ strategy is to win South Carolina, followup with a strong showing if not an outright win in Nevada a week later, than take the lions share of California delegates on Super Tuesday. That may well put her in the front runner position at that point, with the momentum to win enough delegates outright. Of course Wilmer will pull the same shit he pulled with HRC, but with so many candidates running he will have a hard time with his “primaries were rigged” bullshit this time around.

    ETA, apparently Nevada primary precedes So. Carolina, but the idea still works.

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    sdhays says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Wow. That has got be just about the stupidest tweet Matt Yglesias has ever tweeted. Warren is so serious about her priorities that she’s already released several detailed proposals. It’s just like in 2016, people wondered why Clinton didn’t do this or that, even though she talked about this and that in her freaking stump speech and had detailed proposals on her website.

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    sdhays says:

    @feebog: That’s why I have her pegged as the actual one to beat. Her path to victory is very clear, while the others have to be more creative. That and she is doing serious grassroots organizing and basic politicking. She’s clearly not one to phone it in. (Not saying others are, just that she’s not assuming anything and is therefore formidable).

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    @sdhays: I was trying to just embed Hayes’s response since it’s actual news…

    ETA there!

    ETAA the hell, it’s back?

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    Redshift says:

    Harris is my favorite right now, but every time I hear Warren speak I love her too. My only small frustration with the Harris campaign so far is that they’re entirely focused on the early caucus/primary states, and I want to start doing stuff. There were Elizabeth Warren house meetings in VA last weekend, and by the time I decided to go, the local ones were full. I signed up to volunteer for Harris, and got an email about next Monday, yay! But it turns out what they want is people to host watch parties for her CNN town hall, and I’m not up for a room full of people watching TV.

    And yeah, I should really be working on campaigns for the fall elections here, and I will, but I want to get in on the ground floor of a presidential campaign, too.

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    justawriter says:

    My problem with these clips (I haven’t seen her stump speeches) is that they remind me very much of Gore and Kerry. Granted, Gore beat Bush except the refs called the game early and Bush had to start an extra war to beat Kerry. Anyway, Harris struck me as being very impersonal in the clips on this post. Sure, the policy is double plus good, but she doesn’t present it in a way that will connect with non-political voters. I say this as a policy guy who really didn’t like Bill Clinton (Sistah Soulja and ending welfare as we know it, yuck) but when he engaged with an old woman who had been heckling him for an entire appearance I knew he had skills I had never seen in another politician. Obama, on policy, was my fifth choice in 2008, but he could personalize a policy question like no one I have seen before or since.

    Part of the problem is sexism, of course. Obama telling a story of an exploited worker or someone’s grandma is compelling, whereas a woman will be accused of a host of sins, all of which boil down to having ovaries and an opinion. So possibly Harris feels she has to go the bloodless policy route, because making an emotional appeal like Bill or Barack would be used against her as a woman. I don’t know what the solution is for her and the other female candidates in the race. Solving sexism would be a good start, but I don’t think we can get that done before the primaries start next February.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    @feebog: It’s not just that. What if her money dries up before the latter and after the former? Bt its not just about the candidate. It’s literally having our candidate of the women and minorities party spendind a f*cking year and more talking about hogs and ethanol and whatever they talk about in New Hampshire in living rooms of wypipo to the exclusion of the vast majority of Dem Party voters.

    PS Caucuses should be BANNED for the lock-me-in-a-room-with-my-neighborhood tit-grabber ableist clusterF*s they are.

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    Mike in DC says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know you’re joking, but I should have clarified that she doesn’t need to indulge the ridiculous “strong black woman” stereotype so much as just make a strong favorable impression at the debates. In a crowded field where the white guys are going to benefit from some media bias, it’s important to stand out where and when you can.

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    Sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: I never thought of it that way. That’s heartening.

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    cmorenc says:

    Harris…my favorite!
    Buttigeg…my favorite!
    Warren…my favorite!
    Bernie…sorta, kinda, my favorite!
    …and so on.
    …um, you get the point. I have my most favorite (Harris) among my favorites. But my VERY TRUE favorite will be whomever does eventually win the D nomination. Petal to the metal for whomever that turns out to be, even it it’s Bernie. Though I hope it’s instead Harris, or Warren, or….but if it winds up being Bernie, then he’s my man!

    There isn’t any D running so far who isn’t light-years preferable to the Stinky Orange Fart-Cloud.

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    eemom says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    Congrats on your loyal clients.

    My point is simply this: if Harris, or any of the other Dems, had zeroed in on that very specific piece of damning evidence while the whole world was watching — instead of reiterating the same old rhetorical bullshit “why don’t you demand an investigation” — the outcome very well COULD have been different, mcturtle or no mcturtle.

    Kindly recall how the “foregone conclusions” were being disproved in real time as the thing unfolded, e.g., by the women who cornered scumbag Flake in the elevator and forced the vote to be put off.

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    lamh36 says:

    @VeniceRiley: My guy tells me of GOO were better on gay rights issues that Pete would be considered a Log Cabin member for sure…

    but I’m not as enamored with him as many are.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: “political reform”

    Whar does that mean policy-wise?

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    @lamh36: I don’t know what Yglesias is talking about which is why I was only trying to embed Hayes’s tweet. Which I believe I have now fixed.

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    Jay says:

    @justawriter:

    Kamela Harris Townhall, South Carorlina,

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOVE5Zyo3I

    Your description does not grok.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ohio Mom: @Sab: see? I’m not all bad!

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    Redshift says:

    Oh, and I’m going to a Beto town hall tomorrow, because why not? Don’t know if I’ll have a chance to ask a question, but if anyone wants to offer any suggestions, I’ll take ’em. Right now I’m leaning toward something in the vein of “how do you plan to get things done, given Republicans’ history of obstructing even things they support just to denya win to a Democratic president?”

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    Jacel says:

    @Adam L Silverman: in 2015-16 the Republican candidates certainly devoted a lot of debate time to Airing Of Grievances.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @sdhays:

    That has got be just about the stupidest tweet Matt Yglesias has ever tweeted.

    Couldn’t you say that about 50% of his tweets?

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: ugh what is with the not allowing editing of comments😡😡

    Forget it god night BJ…I’m going to bed

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    I think she’s got a very good chance. Personally, I prefer Warren, but ABT.

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    eemom says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    Furthermore. Even if the conclusion had been foregone, would any responsible lawyer sit back and allow their adversary to bury the damning evidence, when they had multiple opportunities to force it into the spotlight — again, with the whole world watching? Does the phrase “building the record” mean anything to you?

    eta: Oh, I forgot to mention I will SOOOO vote for Harris if she’s the candidate.

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    @Steve in the ATL: his twitter presence is remarkably annoying.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @frosty: She’s got solid support from young white guys in CA, as I mentioned above. And he tells me it’s quite widespread – he’s been shooting lots of her events since he works with fundraisers.

    @Ohio Mom: That’s a good point!

    @Steve in the ATL:

    @sdhays:

    That has got be just about the stupidest tweet Matt Yglesias has ever tweeted.

    Couldn’t you say that about 50% of his tweets?

    Too low.

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    Doug R says:

    I really like the idea of a Harris/Inslee 2020, but that could be the west coaster in me.

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    lamh36 says:

    ‪Several 2020 Dems say they’re ready to face Fox News town hall https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439183-several-2020-dems-say-theyre-ready-to-face-fox-news-town-hall‬

    This include Mayor Pete, article says they are in talks with Fox to host a townhall.

    Oh goody…now we get to hear how it’s a good thing to go on Faux News if Pete does it; when moments ago were talking bout Bernie and his Fox townhall being a waste of time🙄

    Personally I don’ think any Dem should give Fox the time of day…y’all already know who my candidate is and i’d darn sure be pissed and dragging for her if her campaign went on Faux🤨

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    @lamh36: Pete seems to be doing the thing where he will make any media appearance at all.

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    JAFD says:

    Greetings from New Jersey, everyone !

    As I’ve mentioned before, I’m a resident of Newark, a minion of the Essex County Democratic Machine, and thus a supporter of Sen. Booker. But I will state that there are several other excellent candidates in the field, and I look forward to voting for one in November ’20

    OTOH, I live about a ten-minute walk from Cory’s future New Jersey White House, and when Pres. Obama gave a speech in this neighborhood in ’15, traffic here was tied up till midnight. (With the railroads and the Passaic bridges, Newark has a lot of traffic bottlenecks.)

    One thing I want to bring up that bothered me a bit, until I figured out why, was the report of Sen. Klobuchar eating with a comb.

    During ye Great Recession, I was a ‘long-term unemployed’, broke, getting food stamps and welfare. I learned rapidly that ’twas best to save Real Money for essentials, and instead of hitting fast-food place when struck by hunger pangs away from home, to go to food market and get an eighth-pound of baloney and a roll, or a container of potato salad or coleslaw, which could be legitimately acquired with my SNAP card. I also realized the value of always having some plastic eating utensils in my briefcase, and have kept that habit even today.

    So, one thing I’m looking for in the candidates is whether they, or someone on their senior staff, has experience, as an adult, with being poor – not just eating a week on the food stamp challenge, but living when every quarter matters.

    Regardless, fellow jackals, my I wish all of you and yours a Happy Easter / Passover / Spring Festival of your Preference, and a beneficial summer ahead.

    There is a sermon/meditation of the season at
    http://uuquincy.org/talks/20130331.shtml
    which I found very moving (writer thereof also writes The Weekly Sift – weeklysift.com – you may want to check that out.)

    Is there a NYC area get-together upcoming ???

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    Jay says:

    @lamh36:

    With the loss of the tweet, it’s hard to tell.

    Could be Citizens United, redistricting, Voters Rights?

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    Cacti says:

    @lamh36:

    Pete’s another white guy whisperer who thinks the fascists just need hugs and understanding.

    Of course he’s going to Fox.

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    @Jay: you can click the link in the tweet if you really want to see what it’s replying to. I promise it won’t be enlightening in the slightest!

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    justawriter says:

    @Jay: Watched until she opened it up for questions. She did not mention another specific human being in her comments except for the mayor who introduced her. Specifically, she said she met all these cool women with local businesses, never named one.

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    Sab says:

    @Trabb’s Boy: I love Warren, but if she doesn’t get the nomination I want her in the Senate. Also really like Harris. And Castro.

    What a bunch of great candidates.

    I know we are arguing in these threads a lot. I hope we haven’t pied each other totally by the time of the convention.

    I am learning a lot from all the discussions (aka as vetting).

    For folks who like Booker. I admire him a lot, but in lots of Ohio charter schools are toxic. (We vote to tax our property so that the State can take our tax dollars and give it to Republican donors who then set up sham schools.)

    Google Ecot (Electronic Classroom of Tomorrow), or White Hat Management. Then Google LeBron James’ I Promise Academy, which is working as a public school with extra money. Public School teachers, with a union. Board of Education oversight. Kids in third and fourth grade that eveyone had aleady given up on who seem to be thriving with more support.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Clicked it, it went nowhere, it’s showing up on my mobile as just a boxed quote,

    Went to Chris Haye’s twitter, couldn’t find it, gave up after 2 pages,

    Guess I have to go to Yaglesis’s twitter,

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    MomSense says:

    @JAFD:

    That was my church as a kid. We had Sunday school next to the Adams family crypt in the basement.

    I am definitely team Harris.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I love Harris. She showed poise and power during the Kavanaugh hearing and while on committee work.

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    Jay says:

    @Aleta:

    Thank you for that.

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    Kent says:

    I’m leaning Harris too.

    Weird thing I don’t get? In my real life offline, I don’t know a SINGLE Bernie supporter. Not a single one. I work in education I cross paths with a lot of young and older liberal types. No one is talking Bernie. I don’t know where they are all in real life. I know Beto supporters, Harris supporters, Warren supporters. And a few who are Pete-curious. But no one for Bernie (or Biden for that matter).

    I gotta wonder how many of those poll numbers are actually hard core dem supporters who are likely to be in the primaries and caucuses.

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    Jay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Found it, it’s about Buttigieg, who as far as I can tell, has yet to have a policy.

    Maybe it’s about Matt’s projection?

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    Aleta says:

    Steven W. Thrasher @thrasherxy

    Prediction regarding Peter Buttigieg: this candidacy will expose the major fault lines between white gay men and the rest of the LGBTQ community.

    * 
Among LGBTQ folk, I have only heard white gay men excited for him. Meanwhile, not only have I not heard any support from him from a single LB or T person (or any LGBTQ person of color), many LGBTQ people I know are openly hostile to what he is offering…


    * particularly regarding race, economics, militarism, religion, monogamous marriage, and trans issues.

    In my 5 years of research, I have found that linguistically, “gay” codes as white male & “queer” codes as Black queer/trans, femme queer, lesbian AND poor, marginalized & left.


    
I also study how and when white gay men overlap and pull apart from queer identity.

    White gay men overlapped with queer people at Stonewall but pulled away (via policing and gentrification) by the late 1970s;


    * they overlapped with queer people regarding vulnerability to HIV/AIDS in the early 1980s, then pulled away when they got the drugs in the mid-1990s; they overlapped with queer people regarding potential prosecution for sodomy until the early 2000s, BUT…


    * 
…they then pulled away after Lawrence-Garner v. Texas made gay sex legal for men in their homes (but not for homeless queer people, sex workers, etc.).

    I think Buttigieg is going to be another plot point in which we see white gay men pull away from queer people.


    * He is going to rise as a very gay candidate in harsh conflict with queer identity, queer politics, and queer people. I think his candidacy will make expose fault lines of race, class, and economics within LGBTQ politics.


    * 
Admittedly, my circle is pretty left; still, queer America is, overall, a lot to the left of the white, married, God-fearing centrist mayor of South Bend, Indiana. Many queers know we’d be better off w economic policies of other candidates.


    * 
But as a “clean cut,” “fresh faced,” God fearing centrist lib in pressed white shirts, Buttigieg will go far with the Democratic Party in his quest to be the head of the American Empire.

    
Rod Ferguson wrote the excellent book ONE DIMENSIONAL QUEER about how gay politics were separated a-historically from their connection to the Black Panthers, Puerto Rican independence & other race/ econ freedom fights post Stonewall


    * 
One-Dimensional Queer
 The story of gay rights has long been told as one of single-minded focus on the fight for sexual freedom. Yet its origins are much more complicated

    This “one dimensional queer” creates phenomena like Mayor Pete by which the ONLY political story is a concept of “gay” segregated from class, race, econ, nationalism & colonialism.

    * Hence, why white gay men & few (any?) other LGBTQ ppl are excited for him.


    * I have pretty thick political skin, but I’m already kinda tired of the head patting, “you’re going to elect Trump if you use your critical mind or words” patronizing attitude of establishment Dems.

    * We don’t lose when we use our minds to understand & approach the world as it is.


    Who do I personally want for president? Like artist Zoe Leonard, I want a “dyke” or a “fag” for president. I want a person with AIDS for president, someone who has lived in poverty and without good medical care.
    * (Or at the VERY least, someone VERY committed to them.)



    Emily Mills is not running for president @millbot


    Replying to @thrasherxy 

    Thank you for this thread. I work closely & constantly within various segments of LGBTQ community & this divide is absolutely something I encounter regularly – and is deeply frustrating.

    Steven W. Thrasher @thrasherxy

    It’s a divide that goes far beyond this campaign but which this campaign (and, more specifically, the enthusiastic media embrace of this campaign) reveals.


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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: How does being a veteran give foreign policy credibility?

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    Aleta says:

    @Jay: Thank you. (He says it so well.) It got marked as spam when I edited, but I posted it again.

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    CaseyL says:

    Harris is and continues to be my number one, and I will admit that it’s her prosecutor background that really does it for me. Which is funny because it also seems to be something other people hold against her.

    Prosecutor training and mindset: Harris knows how to think fast, think sharp, and speak to the point. I like that. (I also kinda wonder if a former prosecutor is in the Oval Office we might actually get some prosecution of the various traitors now running the government.)

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    Kent says:

    @lamh36:

    This include Mayor Pete, article says they are in talks with Fox to host a townhall.

    Oh goody…now we get to hear how it’s a good thing to go on Faux News if Pete does it; when moments ago were talking bout Bernie and his Fox townhall being a waste of time🙄

    Personally I don’ think any Dem should give Fox the time of day…y’all already know who my candidate is and i’d darn sure be pissed and dragging for her if her campaign went on Faux🤨

    The problem with Fox is that even if you win, you lose. Say Pete goes on Fox and owns the place for 30 minutes. Who gives a fuck? They are just going to spend the remaining 23.5 hours of the day back with their regular propoganda bullshit. What does that gain? Nothing for the Dems but everything for Fox who can can then shout about how fair and balanced they are

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: I did phone banking in the last election, and the Bernie Bros are definitely out there. Probably living in their parents basements, or out in the world disguised as moderate republicans (actually incels) but they are definitely out there.

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    Ruckus says:

    @sdhays:

    He’s a stupid man who visibly loses mental capacity by the day.

    And is rapidly running out of the last dribbles of that puny, worthless little bit he started with.

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    Jay says:

    @Kent:

    Faux is gagging for ad revinue after many of them walked away,

    It’s a tewfer for Faux,

    https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2019/04/do-fox-news-two-step.html?m=1

    And it’s not going to win any votes.

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    Kent says:

    @Sab:

    @Kent: I did phone banking in the last election, and the Bernie Bros are definitely out there. Probably living in their parents basements, or out in the world disguised as moderate republicans (actually incels) but they are definitely out there.

    Sab….you sure you weren’t talking to a bot? Have you actually seen one in real life? Not in the last election but in 2019?

    Just saying….

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: Do bots actually talk to you on the phone convincingly as a disgruntled white male with a good job and other undefined issues?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Yeah, I had nothing like that in my mind when I asked that question. ::eyeroll::

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    Kent says:

    @Sab: Hey…this is 2019. You never know. There are phone bots who can keep telmarketers on the line and fool them into thinking they are going to make a sale. https://jollyrogertelephone.com/ How hard can it be to computerize a Bernie Bot? Heh!

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yup, on the other hand, many Veterans have actually traveled out side of the US,

    I guess that counts.

    Once upon a time, experts at State managed most of the Foreign Policy.

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    piratedan says:

    @Jay: very possible, I take anything that the “regular MSM” offers that could imply Dems in Disarray as the usual ratfuckery with words and sentence fragments taken out of context or offered in bad faith.

    What has always been a battle is that this shit is constantly used as the frame and foundation to sow discontent and misrepresent positions of Dem candidates and never mind that we have the most corrupt administration currently jailing kids and families seeking asylum and saber rattling against anyone and anything that challenges their authority and legitimacy.

    If there are Dems in Disarray, it for damn sure isn’t coming from Nancy Fucking Pelosi who has been herding cats longer than the media has been sucking itself off.

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    Jay says:

    @Kent:

    The arrogance, cluelessness, purity, entitlement and juvenile hostility is hard to model in an AI.

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    @laura:

    I hope my Senator becomes the nominee and is open to the best policies on offer by fellow dems including Senator Warren’s rebuilding regulatory oversight and sources of tax revenue, Jay Inslee’s focus on Climate Change, criminal justice reform, improving healthcare, immigration reform, focusing on children and our obligation to the future. Who’d make a good running mate with so many to choose from – today, I’d say Julian Castro would be a good choice.

    Quoted for truth.

    Harris and Warren are the two on my short-list, but as Californian, I’d like to see Harris (another factor is that we wouldn’t lose a Senate seat).

    But we’re blessed to have a deep field, and hopefully both the ideas and some of the candidates can be incorporate into the administration of whoever wins.

    While I don’t think Buttigieg is ready just yet (and I have other concerns), he’s already done the LGBT communities a huge amount of good by normalizing the idea of someone LGBT — at least a white, straight-acting* gay man — for president. As well as challenging Pence’s supposed “politeness” toward us, when in reality Pence is trying to eradicate us from public life.

    *I mean straight-acting simply in the descriptive, the pejorative sense. Part of what seems to be driving the media obsession with Buttigieg is that he’s confounding their idea of what a gay man “is like,” so that adds to the bright shiny object aspect.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Absolutely, this.
    You served overseas, I served overseas, Raven did, several others here did as well. I’d count none of us as foreign policy experts. We may be knowledgeable, somewhat, but Adam is a civilian and has more chops than we do in the area. I’d bet far more.

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    Matt. McIrvin says:

    @piratedan: The online left is in disarray. Look at social media and the circular firing squads are shooting in all directions. It’s like, a year and a half out, we’re already trying as hard as we can to lose. It’s so alarming that it’s causing me real distress.

    If the online world translates to the real world we are completely fucked. If it doesn’t… Joe Biden probably is the nominee then, so, eh, we’re just kind of fucked.

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    Jay says:

    @piratedan:

    Yup, but most voters don’t visit Balloon Juice,

    It’s easier to push back when the MSM has to make shit up.

    CNN pulled the Kouchabar clips, because with her full TownHall still up, they got trashed for cutting and pasteing to attack her.

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    Kent says:

    @Jay: They are predictable as fucking hell. You only need about 4 pat phrases:

    “Bernie is saying what needs to be said”
    “The DNC is corrupt”
    “2016 was rigged”
    “Bernie could have won in 2016”

    rinse and repeat.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Oddly enough, I traveled outside the US both before and after I served in the military. And being stationed a German kaserne and spending all of your time off in the barracks or the Enlisted Club while counting down the days until you “go back to the world” as many soldiers did does not really lead to a deep understanding of foreign policy. I would say that there is more interest in foreign policy among the officer corps but a good chunk of that group does really care that much and at least half of the other group have some seriously retrograde ideas in the subject.

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    @Aleta:

    Steven W. Thrasher

    @thrasherxyPrediction regarding Peter Buttigieg: this candidacy will expose the major fault lines between white gay men and the rest of the LGBTQ community.

    I’m seeing the same things as Thrasher. White gay men are taken with Buttigieg. Others in the LGBTQ communities… not so much.

    I’m hoping that he’ll surprise me, but my spidey-sense is set off by his accomodationist tendencies. (Necessary I realize in Indiana, but something he needs to outgrow if he wants to play on the national stage.) Reminds me too much of the white gay men who’ve repeatedly shown they were more than happy to throw trans people under the bus when it’s come to civil rights protections, as well as how white gay men too often can be really tone-deaf when it comes to women and POC — even LGBT women and POC.

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    Jay says:

    @Kent:

    But in a phone call, the response has to be answered to a question:

    Are you employed?

    “Bernie is saying what needs to be said”

    Are you married?

    “The DNC is corrupt”

    Are you of voting age?

    “2016 was rigged”

    Do you f€ck goats?

    “Bernie could have won in 2016”

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: Aren’t you paranoid?

    I was calling from a campaign off election rolls. So I was calling actual registered voters. I know my city pretty well, having lived here off and on since 1965. I pretty much know the demographic (economic, racial, age, gender) of everyone I call before I call. Age they give us. Gender you can guess from the name, and can always tell if they answer. Race is often but not always pretty likely from the address, and often from the accent. Income is also sort of obvious from the location (unless they live in their parents’ basement.)

    Bots set up on Democratic voters phone numbers? Seems unlikely. What would be the point? To lie to campaign workers? Seems a waste of effort.

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    goblue72 says:

    Unfortunately for the Alzheimer’s patient who has keys to the Front Page, the Dem primary candidate who has the strongest support from non-white voters is…Sanders.

    He’s released his tax returns. He’s demonstrated support from the non-white portion of the Democratic base. He walked into Fox News & ate their lunch.

    https://twitter.com/jonwalczak/status/1118134538423631872?s=21

    But it’s never been about that with you dipshits.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jay:
    It earns you points if every other day of your life was spent in east bumfuck. Or west bumfuck for that matter. But 2 points really does not an expert make. And Tijuana once on a Sat night does not count for even those 2 points.

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    Kent says:

    @Sab: Geez….I’m just joking guys! I don’t know how to do the little smiley things on this forum.

    But if there were any group of supporters that could be bot-inized it would be the Bernie folks. Other than the MAGA crowd of course.

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    Cacti says:

    @goblue72:

    Look! It crawled out from under its rock.

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    Ruckus says:

    Some today mentioned that they hoped that we wouldn’t all end up in each others pie filter. I doubt that we will but low and behold along comes someone begging for a bakery visit.
    This shit keeps up and I’m going to have a full house soon. And I was so proud to be down to one. Oh well…..

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    Jay says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Some people, who get to travel, it opens their eyes, others, close them.

    Kinda knew that my first marriage was’t going to work out well, when she decided to spend the last week of our trip to Indonesia, in a gated, all inclusive resort, and I elected to take a fishing boat over to Sulawesi.

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: Sorry. I am literal minded. Snark needs the // snark tags.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @goblue72: Okay, I’ll play. What, in your opinion, has it been about with us dipshits? Also, I see you are taking your “Millennial radical” persona out for a late night spin.

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    Kent says:

    @goblue72:

    At this point in 2015 the GOP Polls were

    15.5% Jeb Bush
    14.3% Rubio
    12.3% Walker
    10.0% Paul
    8.8% Cruz
    7.5% Huckabee
    5.5% Christie
    4.8% Carson
    Trump didn’t enter the polls until July 2015 with 6.0%

    We are still a LONG LONG ways from 2020.

    Source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    You seem….. bored tonight.

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    Jay says:

    @Kent:

    Smiley faces also work, : ) ; )

    So do emoticons.

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    Kent says:

    @Sab: Apologies!! I don’t know how to do the // thing. How does that work?

    But I’ve still yet to actually meet a real live Bernie fan in real life and I live in the Portland metro area where there should be a bunch of them. I guess I don’t get out much. I guess my circle is mostly actual Dem activists who generally have no use for anything Bernie.

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    Cacti says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Okay, I’ll play. What, in your opinion, has it been about with us dipshits? Also, I see you are taking your “Millennial radical” persona out for a late night spin.

    He’s the 47-year old creeper who still shows up at college parties.

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    Ninedragonspot says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: As a white, gay man, I totally agree with you. I wish fewer of us were entitled assholes, but there it is.

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    Aleta says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: I think his run, like Clinton’s, is huge and historic for the US, and incredibly important that he’s doing it now before the Rs do even more damage. He’s so balanced so far that even though he doesn’t talk wildly about it, I like to think the urgency of this moment is one reason he’s in the ring now. I hope abortion rights are on his agenda too–don’t know. I feel grateful to him, though it’s Harris and Warren I want to outshine everyone else.

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    Jay says:

    @Kent:

    At the end of the post, you just add //.

    You can also use a different font with the [i] types,

    In Portland you’ll have to look underneath neck beards and manbuns, or unseasonable touques for Berners.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Ruckus: I’ve put in nearly 80 hours at work last week, and I have clocked over 30 since Sunday. I am tired and wired. It will probably be an hour or so before I can get to sleep.

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    Kattails says:

    @VeniceRiley: I’m not quite sure what everyone thinks we do up here in New Hampshire. I’m originally from NJ and find that we talk about pretty much the same things as I did before (pets). Never had a conversation about hogs or ethanol. We have small farms, not agribusinesses, so there are a lot of small dairy farms and SCAs. There is solid support for eating locally produced food but probably far less really annoying foodie crap than, say, California. The small towns have small businesses that have to figure out a way to keep going and draw a local population against the damned box stores. The really tiny towns have to figure out how to obtain basic revenue without destroying the environment. Since a good deal of local revenue is seasonally-based, climate change is largely acknowledged as a given rather than denied.
    We deal with issues of school funding because the towns are scattered, and an over-reliance on property taxes means there’s a huge issue with uneven and unfair distribution of educational wealth. Kinda like low-income urban areas. There is a serious problem with drug abuse, kinda like the inner cities. There are challenges with lack of internet accessibility.
    We rank a hell of a lot higher on lists of desirable places to live than, say, West Virginia, so we can’t be that damned dumb, we hold town meetings and hash sh*t out and get the roads plowed and seem to be managing our state affairs fairly well for a small relatively rural population that has to rely on diverse resources. So maybe you all need to just lighten TF up about this state as though it were a collection of quaint aliens who have no clue and no business sticking our oars into national politics. We’ve got Democratic women senators, same for Congresswomen, just turned the state leg. blue, only flaw is a Republican governor–for the moment.

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: Don’t ask me. I am not all that good with internet traditions. I can’t even recognize snark when it bites me on the backside.

    Don’t BJers stick a “//” at the end of a comment to indicate snark?

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    Kent says:

    @Jay:

    In Portland you’ll have to look underneath neck beards and manbuns, or unseasonable touques for Berners.

    I guess now that pot is legal they have nothing else to campaign for. Those were usually the ones you’d see outside Powell’s with all the endless pot-related petitions in years back.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Sab: I don’t. It is part of my charm.

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    Kent says:

    @Sab:

    @Kent: Don’t ask me. I am not all that good with internet traditions. I can’t even recognize snark when it bites me on the backside.

    Don’t BJers stick a “//” at the end of a comment to indicate snark?

    I’ll start doing that from now on. I teach HS and BJ is usually blocked or inoperable for me during the working day due to the school district’s filters so I usually miss all the good morning discussions and only check in late night when I can. It’s too much trouble to try to keep up on my phone.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Kent: In 2016, essentially *all* of the white Democrats I knew in real life were Bernie supporters. Not Bernie-or-Bust, but some definitely did think the DNC had somehow foisted Hillary on the nation. I don’t get the impression they all still are, but probably some are.

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: I think Bernie Bros are more a midwestern ( I hesitate to say “rustbelt”) thing, but maybe that is because that is where I am.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Sab: I am in Madison, but I’ve met very few Berners in the flesh. I’ve seen a good number of Bernie bumper stickers though.

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    Sab says:

    @Kent: I think Bernie Bros are more a midwestern ( I hesitate to say “rustbelt”) thing, but maybe that is because that is where I am.

    @Omnes Omnibus: Absolutely it is part of your charm. You know internet traditions. You just don’t use them. Nor do you use the pie filter.

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    Cacti says:

    @Sab:

    The Bernie kids cult was well represented at the 2016 Washington caucuses.

    What a joke those things were.

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    Jay says:

    @Sab:

    They are up here in Canada too,

    Lots of them in Russia I hear, //

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    MomSense says:

    @Jay:

    Thanks so much for that link. She really knows how to frame the issues and her line in her answer about climate change that it’s not because she is someone who wants to hug a tree but she does want to hug a healthy baby was so good. I admit I’m a tree hugger, hell I talk to them, but climate change does get pushed to the side and sort of dismissed as the concern of hippie tree people who need to get a job. She’s a city person but damn the message is so clearly that our ability for healthy life on this planet is in danger is right on.

    She’s also really smart to ground every issue and policy idea in values.

    I also really want a president from California. That state has turned around because they finally got smart and elected Democrats after all those Republicans made a horrible mess. It’s such a contrast from states like Kansas and we shouldn’t be afraid to point out the difference.

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    Jay says:

    @Cacti:

    Congrats on switching to a primary,

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    Jay says:

    @MomSense:

    I don’t get to vote, but I’m pulling for the Four Horsewomen of the Trumpocalypse.

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    Kent says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    @Kent: In 2016, essentially *all* of the white Democrats I knew in real life were Bernie supporters. Not Bernie-or-Bust, but some definitely did think the DNC had somehow foisted Hillary on the nation. I don’t get the impression they all still are, but probably some are.

    We live in different worlds I guess. I’m a middle aged white guy in education and in 2016 I knew very few teachers who were Bernie supporters, white or otherwise. But then most of the teachers I actually socialized with were pretty serious pro-union old time Democratic activists. Your typical middle-aged white female teacher was very much pro-Hillary. People weren’t anti-Bernie. They just weren’t taken by him.

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    Sab says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Aside from the ones I talked to canvassing, a few of my stepsons’ friends (white, male, mid-thirties) are Bernie Bros. The state democratic party did hire a same age African American one as a local party organizer. He was all on board with Hillary by the general election.

    I liked him a lot. I think he liked Bernie because he was a young single father swamped with tuition debt.

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    Aleta says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: yeah. Not all white gay men : ) by a long shot, but there’s a long history, even in SF in the 80s for example, and in NYC always … of what Thrasher covers so succinctly. Or to be extreme, maybe even include A Sullivan’s indifference to other people’s fight for rights, although others fought for his. That clip tonight, good god. He appeared to be concentrating so hard on his expectation of rewards for his extremist position on immigration during the next 18 months that he was levitating out of his skin.

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    MomSense says:

    @Sab:

    My kids complain about them. My mom used to be one last time around but her top three now are Harris, Castro, and Booker. She thinks that all the drama and upheaval of the last couple years have people longing for steady and trustworthy. I think that’s right but we will find out for sure soon enough.

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    MomSense says:

    @Aleta:

    Based on his 1,000 homes in a 1,000 days program, I do not trust him to think through how those bold plans can end up as inequities on steroids. I saw this as more a by product of his McKinsey consulting experience. Not a fan of their work. Demolishing homes in poor, mostly minority neighborhoods was data driven. Now they’ve hired more consultants to figure out what to do about all those empty lots where neighborhoods used to be.

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    Sab says:

    @Aleta: Jeez, and we gave that guy citizenship because of his utter worthiness

    Just because you got a First at Oxford doesn’t mean you can change a lightbulb or tie your own shoelaces.

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    Aleta says:

    Elizabeth Warren @SenWarren

    Dr. @tressiemcphd has spent years studying how for-profit colleges prey on the poor, women, & people of color – sucking down taxpayer dollars & loading up students with debt for useless degrees, while Wall Street rakes in the cash. I just think that’s fundamentally wrong.

    VIDEO

    seeshell @Tentoads4truth

    Koch brothers turn their sights on destroying public education for private profit

    (Re a daily kos article about them)

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    James E Powell says:

    @Kattails:

    No need to get all whipped up. The “hogs and ethanol” was a reference to Iowa. It’s true New Hampshire’s come a long since you all voted for George Bush and ruined America for at least a generation. We are all very proud of your progress. But consider your demographics. Almost everybody is white: about 1% African American and from what I can tell from the census data, less than half a percent is Latino.

    Try to understand that some of us might be uncomfortable with the fact that our Democratic Party, the party of diversity and inclusion, requires all of its presidential candidates to pass through two nearly all white states before their campaigns can be taken seriously.

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    Kattails says:

    @Kattails: Another advantage I forgot to mention: the cheap booze, the state runs the liquor business.
    Sorry to rant, I get defensive about the place. Well, sorta sorry. Um, nah not really. Anyway ‘ta loves, off to bed, sleep tight.

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    MomSense says:

    @Jay:

    🐴🐴🐴🐴

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    That sleep thing is over rated.

    That’s what I keep telling myself anyway. I feel lucky to get 6 hrs a night. And even when I do I wake up feeling like I didn’t get more than an hour or two. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and just lay there until it’s obvious I can’t sleep any more and just get up.

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    NotMax says:

    @MomSense

    Found nothing whatsoever attractive about his run in ’16 and even less this time around. As far as I’m concerned, it was then and would be today voting for a superannuated Cosmo Kramer.

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    Kent says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I’m seeing the same things as Thrasher. White gay men are taken with Buttigieg. Others in the LGBTQ communities… not so much.

    I’m hoping that he’ll surprise me, but my spidey-sense is set off by his accomodationist tendencies. (Necessary I realize in Indiana, but something he needs to outgrow if he wants to play on the national stage.) Reminds me too much of the white gay men who’ve repeatedly shown they were more than happy to throw trans people under the bus when it’s come to civil rights protections, as well as how white gay men too often can be really tone-deaf when it comes to women and POC — even LGBT women and POC.

    I have a 16-year old LGBTQ daughter. She likes Harris. Mayor Pete frankly isn’t on her radar.

    But I don’t see that as a fault line. We all have multiple identities and issues. She identifies more with “woman of color” than “gay white guy” and her gay male friends tend to be more the gender-fluid type. It’s 2019. Being an out gay guy is frankly kind of boring. For kids of my daughter’s generation its kind of like “OK that’s nice [eye roll]. What else you got?”

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    He’s awful. I hated him last time around, too.

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    Jay says:

    @MomSense:

    Sadly, looks like Alberta went full Nazi tonight, so things are going to get interesting up here.

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    Juice Box says:

    My mom’s 83. She says she won’t vote if BS is the candidate. She’s an abortion and guns voter (as in pro-choice on abortion, melt down the death toys) and The Sage of Vermont gets a big fat zero in those departments.

    I’ve donated to Harris and Warren, but also to Inslee because I want him in the debates. I’m disappointed by Klobuchar and Castro. Castro isn’t very compelling as a speaker or when he’s lobbed softballs on MSNBC. Klobuchar has kind of disappeared. Mayor Pete is a very good speaker, but so very young.

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    Peale says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: it’s not so much that I’m taken by him. I’m beginning to feel forced into coming to his defense because he’s being attacked for being gay. From nominal left democrats. I get it, He’s not queer. I get it..he stayed in the closet too long and therefore used his straight acting ways to reap the benefits of being male and white. And therefore that time in the closet can be weaponized to discredit him. That closet means he can’t be trusted and whoa nelly we can’t have a gay representing us with all that baggage because we know what gay men are like. Selfish. Narcissistic, Abandoning those in need when they’re needed the most. Why I bet right now he’s planning how to arrest assylum seekers lest they start moving next door to the townhouse he’s renovated.

    I disagree with him that the path back to the White House involves reaching out to trump voters who might change their minds. I also don’t think he’s all that qualified. But I might end up supporting him if he’s still on the ballot in my primary because He certainly is being slapped around for being gay. Lord knows someone who experiences sexuality as binary has no place running for public office in these times.

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    Sean says:

    @oldgold: I assume Haley would pass. Women won’t fall for it. Would be quite a milestone though to have women of Indian heritage on both tickets.

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    Dan B says:

    @lamh36: I watched your videos of Harris from a previous post, thank you, thank you, etc!
    Love your thoughts here too. And much as I’d love to have Pete debate Pence he’d just be debating the tip of the iceberg. The religious right is going to flame Pete for months. There will be plenty of time for Pete to pull people out of mega churches because he’s going to shed a spotlight on the truly vile hatred and control their leaders call “Love the sinner….
    Pete’s adds to me seem to be 1. Speaking aspiration more powerfully than identity. 2. Address voter access and discrimination. He has a different frame, something like democracy issues. 3. Be strategic and politically pragmatic with expanding health care, ie. Medicare opt in.

    But then again there are great approaches championed by most of the candidates, and they are quick learners and happy to copy. Sounds like Beto would be glad to be copied. And there are many young enough they don’t have to win now or never.

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    MomSense says:

    @Jay:

    Damn.

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    Sab says:

    @Jay: So sorry. I don’t understand Canadian government. I sort of understand our (US) Federalism with the states and the Electoral College. Things don’t swing much. A bug but also a feature, given our messy politics.

    I also think I understand the British parliamentary system.

    I do not have a clue what you all have been up to in Canada for last fifteen or twenty years. Try to follow but cannot understand.

    Does it work for you? From the outside it seems weird and disfunctional.

    Have a Canadian niece, but she is very apolitical. “We have a government? I hadn’t noticed.”

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    Ruckus says:

    @NotMax:
    If I were Cosmo I’d take offense at that.
    But that’s about as on the nose as anyone I can think of.

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    Kattails says:

    @James E Powell: Now the cat is pissed, she thought I was coming to bed. Thanks, I know, don’t get my knickers in a twist, even if it is a long-standing tradition on BJ. And I do appreciate the fact of the lack of ethnic diversity. But in general the place seems to be pretty broad-minded and just understands some basic stuff that cuts across a lot of other divisions.
    The worst thing now is we’re next door to VT and are infested with Berniebros. Still. Again.
    NOW I’d better go do a few minutes of fur-ball time.

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    MomSense says:

    @Jay: @Sab:

    Remember that old expression that it must be something in the water? I think it’s more like something in the oil. Turns people into Koch heads.

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    plato says:

    @James E Powell: Not to forget NH chose totus thug in the 2016 primary. After Iowa loss, if the thug had lost NH too, he might have dropped out.

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    Jay says:

    @Sab: @MomSense:

    Thanks,

    It’s a bit of a mix. It’s a multiparty Parliamentary system along the British lines, but with powers devolved ( like in the US), to Provinces, (with their own Parliament’s), who in turn, devolved powers to Munincipalities.

    Indiginous issues are more complex, some are Soverign, some are Federal Treaty, some, no treaty.

    Alberta wants to ship dilbit coast to coast, with no consequences or liability, ( Lac Megantic Bomb Train), BC objects.

    The Alberta Prayer is:

    Please, Dear God,
    Give us another oil boom,
    We promise not to piss it all away,
    Like last time.

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    @Peale: I’m not attacking him for being gay, or for coming out in the closet on the later side. Hell, I came out as trans a decade later than he did.

    And no #NotAllGayMen. But there’s history (such as ENDA), where folks like me were thrown under the bus by gay white men running the activist organizations, like the Human Rights Campaign. So yeah, I’m gun shy based on some of his comments.

    But it’s what he’s said, not when he came out of the closet. I’m pleased to see him taking a harder line with Pence, since some of his earlier “can’t we just get along” comments seemed accomodationist toward someone who’s busy to eradicate me and my trans peers from public life.

    Also, as someone who spent a decade working with a charitable organization that was made up of almost exclusively gay men, and who spent a lot of time in the Castro as part of the organization’s activities, I’ve personally seen problematic attitudes and behavior by white gay men towards women, POC and trans folks, first-hand. Again, #NotAllGayMen, but too many of them.

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    Jay says:

    @MomSense:

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    Alberta bitches that their oil and tarsands sell at 30% plus, below Brent Crude.

    Dilbit is by volume, 50% unreclaimable, explosive, proprietary solvents.

    25% petcoke.

    25% Heavy Crude.

    If they refined it in Alberta, they would generate 175,000 short term jobs, 5,600 full time jobs, cut 50% of their costs, could use the petcoke, ( which sells at a massive loss) as infill for the Tar Sands strip mines,

    And sell refined products at market prices, globally.

    Instead they sell dilbit to Washington State at $0.11 a litre, which I buy back a gas at $1.36 a litre or lubricating oils at anything from $5.55 a litre to $27.53 a litre.

    A province mostly full of morons.

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    Jay says:

    @Sab:

    “Have a Canadian niece, but she is very apolitical. “We have a government? I hadn’t noticed.”

    The Canadian Government motto, is

    “Peace, Order and Good Government. “Peace, order and good government” are the words used in section 91 of the British North America Act of 1867 (now Constitution Act, 1867) to define the Canadian Parliament’s lawmaking authority in relation to provincial authority.”

    When it’s working well, 90% of the people, don’t notice it.

    When it’s a Clark, Ford, Kenney, Harper, people pay more attention.

    As an example, you guys have escrow, and a bunch of cobbled up laws covering title.

    Through out Canada, the Provinces manage title, so I get a morgage, make an offer, title search, deal closes, title clears, money changes hands. Sometimes, takes a day.

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    rikyrah says:

    @goblue72:
    You again😒😒😒

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @lamh36: it means Yglesias wanted to include Pete in the “policy” list despite his having none.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Major Major Major Major: not just any media appearance.

    Buttigeig is one of the candidates (including Biden, Klobuchar, Swalwell, and Ryan) aiming for Trump supporters and Trump adjacent white people. You know, morons.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @Kent:

    The problem with Fox is that even if you win, you lose. Say Pete goes on Fox and owns the place for 30 minutes. Who gives a fuck? They are just going to spend the remaining 23.5 hours of the day back with their regular propoganda bullshit. What does that gain? Nothing for the Dems but everything for Fox who can can then shout about how fair and balanced they are

    Exactly. After Bernie’s town hall on Fox, they ripped into him the next day. Oh, but his fans on DailyBer–I mean, DailyKos loved it.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @goblue72:

    Unfortunately for the Alzheimer’s patient who has keys to the Front Page, the Dem primary candidate who has the strongest support from non-white voters is…Sanders.
    He’s released his tax returns. He’s demonstrated support from the non-white portion of the Democratic base. He walked into Fox News & ate their lunch.
    https://twitter.com/jonwalczak/status/1118134538423631872?s=21
    But it’s never been about that with you dipshits.

    HAHAHA, you go on keeping believing that bullshit about Bernie having the most non-white support. We’ve been telling your monkey ass the opposite, but you won’t listen. I’m just gonna drink your tears next year when Bernie doesn’t get the nomination.

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    Matt says:

    We have shaped public policy around this idea that whatever happens to a child they’ll grow out of it. Instead of recognizing that a traumatic event that happens to a child will be forever imprinted on that person if we don’t take it seriously. It will easier at 6 than at 16

    That explains why she decided putting parents in jail for truant kids was a good policy – gotta start traumatizing those kids early & often!

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    Dr. Ronnie James, D.O. says:

    Seeing Harris wrapping this stuff up early suggests she knows what she’s doing.

    After the SC primary in 2016, Yahoo News of all places had a great long-form piece detailing all the groundwork and long game HRC put into the state which helped her win it (she saw it as crucial to getting the nom), and all the rookie mistakes / unforced errors the Sanders campaign put in – IIRC some of it was just being really unfamiliar with the political landscape of the state, as well as little things like etiquette mistakes that left a bad taste, like aving junior staffers reaching out to elected officials, instead of Bernie or Jane. Worth seeking out.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Boy, I wish these posts came in the late evening when I’m trying to relax. Now I have no time to engage with it. Oh well.

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    chopper says:

    @Matt. McIrvin:

    the online left is always in disarray.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    SHE IS FABULOUS. god doesn’t love me enough for her to be the nominee

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    chopper says:

    @AxelFoley:

    you say that, but he’ll just disappear again.

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    J R in WV says:

    @VeniceRiley:

    My beef with the continuance of fronting Iowa and New Hampshire is that it tips the playing field every cycle to the concerns and preferences of white people in an increasingly diverse country. it’s as horrible as the electoral college.

    But facts contradict that opinion: Iowa gave Obama a huge win, and the rest is history! Iowa Democrats are Not hidebound conservatives, they’re long term progressives, Iowa was once a bastion of socialism!

    Sorry V.R.

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    VFX Lurker says:

    @Kent:

    Weird thing I don’t get? In my real life offline, I don’t know a SINGLE Bernie supporter. Not a single one. I work in education I cross paths with a lot of young and older liberal types. No one is talking Bernie. I don’t know where they are all in real life.

    They exist offline. I know several here in Southern California who fell in love with Wilmer in 2016. Most were white men, but not all. None were black women.

    They all believed his rhetoric about Hillary being the enemy. Most reluctantly voted for her in November 2016, though one kept bashing her on social media even as he asked others to vote for her. He bought the Wilmer propaganda hook, line and sinker.

    Two young black men who voted for Wilmer flat-out refused to vote for the “villain” of 2016. One regularly watched The Young Turks, proudly voted for Jill Stein and encouraged others to vote Green. The other wrote in Wilmer and giggled about it that morning.

    People I thought I had known for over 15 years let their inner misogynists loose with GamerGate and Wilmer. My Facebook feed skews female now, because I unfollowed most of the men and blocked the worst.

    I’m still mad about the distance Wilmer put between me and old friends. However, he was the spark, not the fuel. The sexism (and for some, racism) was there before Wilmer ran for office, and it will remain long after Wilmer leaves the public eye.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Ruckus:

    You served overseas, I served overseas

    I served overseas, technically. Was stationed on a ship in Key West, many miles out to sea over the salt water. Over the sea to get there. Then in Pascagoula, MS, which was more foreign than Spain, Italy or France when I visited those nations.

    ;-)

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    J R in WV says:

    @Cacti:

    Pied reply to @Goblue72:

    Uneasy lies the head that wears a pie.

    »

    This may be the best pie quote slogan yet. And I’m sure that anyone here who’s backing the non-Democratic Russian stooge lies pretty uneasy all the time, pie of no pie. Only person I’m still pieing, I took nearly everyone out, I think all the others in there eventually got banned.

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    burnspbesq says:

    When did you lose the ability to count to 51, Elaine?

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    J R in WV says:

    @Kattails:

    I’m not quite sure what everyone thinks we do up here in New Hampshire.

    I’m pretty sure it’s a lot like W VA, actually. Except for the liquor stores located in the interstate rest stops… what’s up with that? ;-)

    Also will point out that the Blog Lord and founder was born and raised and lives and works in WV, although north of P’burgh. While I’m south of DC, but not as far south as Richmond, niether of which is IN WVA, but just for reference purposes.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @lamh36:

    I’ve said for 30 years that if the GOP could ever stop calling them “abominations” for ten minutes, every white gay cisgender man who makes over $70k a year would become a Republican almost instantly.

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