Kirstjen Nielsen Has Resigned As Secretary Of Separated Families

I have nothing to say. Rumor seems to be that Stephan Miller wants to reincarnate Attila the Hun.

Open thread.

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    Since the question will probably come up,

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    JPL says:

    fuckher and maybe one day she can live in a cage also.

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    Duane says:

    They sucked all the remnant of soul out of Nielsen. Hard to imagine finding a worse person for the job. Hold my beer.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: He likes it that way.

    No collusion and No confirmations

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    dmsilev says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Maybe Jared Kushner can step in. Or Mick Mulvaney can officially become the Lord High Everything Else.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Fuck her. She should be rotting in jail, just like the rest of this administration.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I hope she experiences a dark decade of the soul.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Props for the headline.

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    Narrator voice: Be afraid, be very afraid.

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    debbie says:

    Trump will say his edict “supersedes” any asylum laws, just like his threatening Mexico with tariffs “supercedes” anything in the USMCA. He’s a superseder.

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    dexwood says:

    Nazi musical chairs. Monsters, ghouls, and traitors, one and all.

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    Shalimar says:

    Trump said “will be leaving”, not resigned. He had Stephen Miller fire her.

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    sgrAstar says:

    They pushed her out cuz she wasn’t mean enough.


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    NotMax says:

    L. Graham warming up in the wings? Nunes? Issa?

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    And the speculation starts. I advise taking this with a grain or more of salt.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    “You’re quoting a Hun to me?” (Woody Allen, Love and Death, sorry, it’s just so brilliant)

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    debbie says:



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    rikyrah says:

    The person who will replace her will be another monster.
    We already know that.😠😠

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    NotMax says:


    a superseder

    Isn’t that what’s celebrated during Passover on Krypton?


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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I’m reading that she’s out because she’s not tough enough. Who sees Rick Perry as a tough guy?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    It must have been explained to him that POTUS does not have the authority to overrule the law of the land. Or did he decide to just create that power for himself?

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    My guess is he wasn’t listening.

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    NotMax says:

    @Amir Khalid

    L’Etat, c’est moi, the sequel.

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    Trump is really upset about, and focusing on, the southern border and his fictitious hordes of evildoers invading the US. He wants something done but has no way to make it happen. What may result is an upsurge in humanitarian crimes by his people.

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    dmsilev says:

    @debbie: It depends on whether or not he’s wearing glasses.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    You’d think he’d be happy for a couple days at least, what with getting a plaque bearing his name attached to the replacement wall he insists is new.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: It’s somehow quite fitting that she screwed up the date on that letter and actually resigned a year ago today.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    I’m reading that she’s out because she’s not tough enough. Who sees Rick Perry as a tough guy?

    Is there anything solid? I’m wondering if she snapped and got into a loud and emotional argument with Trump, and his ego demanded her firing as a way to win the argument. [1]
    The Stephan Miller rumors are interesting too; not sure since there are so many that loath the guy.

    [1] long history of arguments: The hostile border between Trump and the head of DHS – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and President Trump have had a contentious relationship as illegal border crossings increase. (Josh Dawsey, Nick Miroff, May 25, 2018)

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    debbie says:


    I see that as proof Stephen Miller wrote it and made her sign it.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Her letter says effective April 7, 2018. She wants to forget that the last year happened? (I know it was probably a pre-written letter or a typo)

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    Perry is quick out of the box.


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    cain says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Makes sense since Trump is only acting as president.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Impossible to keep track of so many people leaving this administration, usually to be replaced either by nobody or someone even worse.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Good fucking riddance, you unspeakable bitch.

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    sukabi says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: her letter has April 7, 2018 as her last day.😳

    And I see, I’m late as usual.😒

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    Suzanne says:


    Good fucking riddance, you unspeakable bitch.


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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Lord High Everything Else.

    This devoted Gilbertian thanks you.

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    B.B.A. says:

    Obvious frontrunners are David Duke, Pat Buchanan, Richard Spencer, Stephen Miller, Stephen Miller’s toupee, and Bernie Sanders.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    Stephen Miller is really slippery and doesn’t want to be modeled mentally, but this might interest some.
    I Am Still Thinking About Stephen Miller’s Spray Hair (Ashley Reese, 12/17/18)

    What is behind this pivot? Does he feel insecure? Did he just watch one of those ‘90s GLH commercials and get inspired?

    (To be clear, I think he’s dangerous because he’s managed to become a DJ Trump earworm.)

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Makes sense since Trump is only acting as president

    This comment is one for the ages. A keeper.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I haven’t been able to abide her since the first time I saw her testify in front of a Congressional committee. Creepy beyond belief from jump.

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    J R in WV says:

    From below thread:

    Dear Secretary (ret.) Kirstjen Neilsen:

    This is to formally invite you to attend the Monaco F1 Grand Prix races next year, as the guest of Prince Albert II and Princess Charlene. You are welcome to bring up to 3 relatives or friends, and will have a suite in the Palais du Prince for your convenience.

    Of course you will view the races from the Royal Balcony overlooking the race’s finish line in the company of Prince Albert II and Princess Charlene.

    We recommend you travel via KLM and arrive through Amsterdam’s airport, where the Prince’s private jet will meet you for transit to Monaco proper!

    Thank you for sharing your presence with the Royal family of the Principality of Monaco!!

    With warmest regards;

    Chancellor of the Principality of Monaco
    Raphael Antoine Melchior

    Heeheehaha !!!

    And welcome to The Hague you corrupt witch!!!

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    Kamala.Harris.2020 says:

    I’ve never once heard a reporter ask Potus on camera if he knows that USA signed the 1967 United Nations protocol/treaty on asylum /refugees. Intl law. Anyone has a right to apply (approval is difficult at best). Does he understand that? Could you ask? Seems not.

    As bad as Trump and his crew are, the US press is even worse.

    For the most part, they have been utterly cowed by Trump. There should be reports yelling questions at him whenever he is out of the cocoon of the oval office.

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    J R in WV says:


    Good fucking riddance, you unspeakable bitch.

    Well said, Subaru Dianne. I would add one word, between “unspeakable” and “bitch”: “despicable” needs to be in there.

    Thanks for the eloquence.

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    Suzanne says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: She is creepy, and anyone who works for Trump deserves to live out the rest of their lives as an untouchable.

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    She belongs at The Hague.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @J R in WV:
    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I would call her feckless, worthless, and useless, only that she has actively done unutterable damage as DHS Sec. I do hope that she, and Kelly, and Trump, will eventually face the 21st-century version of the Nuremberg Trials. But I’m not holding my breath.

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    piratedan says:

    may she be separated from her means of income as long as one child remains separated from their parents.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Note: New Unforgotten on PBS tonight. Check your listings.

    “When the body of a teenage girl who went missing at the turn of the millennium is found at a building site off the M1 motorway, four men are placed under the spotlight.” Nicola Walker, Sanjeev Bhaskar.

    ETA: This is Season 3. Previous two seasons available on Amazon Prime. Recommended.

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    Keith P. says:

    So who wants to guess that the next secretary of homeland security will be ‘acting’ for the rest of Trump’s term?

    This is something that really pisses me off – the GOP didn’t put up with recess appointments done the same way, so they sued and won. All decisions made by the recess secretary were nullified. However, the GOP does the same thing via “acting” secretaries, and all the Dems do is go to CNN and complain every other month.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    So, do we know anything abut this Kevin McAleenan?

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    MomSense says:


    Are you watching Mrs. Wilson? I’ve heard the first episode is really good and the actor is playing her own grandmother.

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    Fuck her and everyone who enable this human rights abomination.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I like your nym!

    For a minute I thought she’d come to grace BJ.

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    Barbara says:

    @Steeplejack: My cable is on the fritz for some reason. I really like that series. I will manage to catch up somehow.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    It is very good. Last episode tonight. Unfortunately I read the spoiler-filled NYT review.

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    Luthe says:

    Stephen Miller wants to be Attila the Hun.

    @Keith P.: Don’t acting Secretaries have to be permanently confirmed within 90 days?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @TaMara (HFG):

    We’ve been thinking of you. Hope things are okay.

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    Kamala.Harris.2020 says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    We should be so lucky!

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    Immanentize says:

    Nielsen is a monster.

    That is all.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Luthe: Stephen Miller wants to be not Jewish.

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    tokyokie says:

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Fuck her and everyone who enable this human rights abomination.

    Is it still a human rights violation when you consider the victims to be subhuman?

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    lgerard says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    I think he’s dangerous because he’s managed to become a DJ Trump earworm

    It’s not just trump..I saw Ivanka being quoted calling Miller “an encyclopedia of policy” a few months back so it is clear he is sucking up to them as a means to an end.

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    noncarborundum says:

    @Immanentize: It’s monsters all the way down.

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    J R in WV says:



    We all know that. Why are you raining on our parade attempting to lighten the mood of people not in favor of genocide?

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    Jay says:

    So, Kelly’s Girlfriend, Kristen the She Wolf, was more than willing to build the Concentration Camps, Rape Camps, Child Trafficing sites, and fill them,

    But decided building and running the gas chambers and crematorium’s a bridge too far?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Elizabelle: From the thread title, I thought for sure it was Adam.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Immanentize: Stephen Miller also wants to be not a physically repulsive incel, but alas.

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    Steeplejack says:


    You’re in the DMV, I think? WETA is showing it multiple times during the day tomorrow, and WMPT is showing it at 10:00 p.m. Tuesday.

    It might be available on WETA Passport, if you’re a subscriber.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: So is there sort of a different story or plot line for each season? So you don’t need to have seen the previous seasons to pick right up on season 3?

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    Steeplejack says:


    I missed the first episode (which was really the first two episodes as shown here), so I’m holding off on the third episode until I can catch 1-2 tomorrow night. I’m looking forward to it; I loved Ruth Wilson as the crazy psycho in Luther.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Donny Dumb Ass thinks this is just an episode of the Apprentice. Watch it Trump announces a “winner” October next year.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Yeah, right. Each season—four or six episodes, can’t remember which—is one case, and you don’t have to have seen the first two seasons to pick up on this one. Basically, it’s the cold-case squad that gets called in when some old body or skeleton is found.

    The characters have some personal side details that get developed, but nothing major. The plots are pretty good, the ensemble acting is good, and Nicola Walker (River, Last Tango in Halifax) is great.

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    JR says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’d rather they face the 21st century equivalent of the Tarpeian rock.

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    Ruckus says:

    Not listening,
    Not understanding,
    Not giving a shit
    Actively wanting to hurt people…..
    That’s our president.

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    Ruckus says:

    He’s not acting as president.
    He’s acting as a spoiled fucking brat being told that he can’t do the reality TV show he wants to do.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack:I have Season 1, episodes 2 and 3 on Tivo, but I am missing episode one so I have never watched it yet. I also have all 3 episodes of Season 2. It looks like season 3 will have 6 episodes.

    So glad to know it’s safe to watch it out of order and to know that I can watch my missing episode on Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime can FINALLY be watched through Apple TV, so it’s much less annoying than it used to be.

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    rk says:

    Ordinarily I would be happy that an evil person was gone. But I feel nothing because I know she’ll be replaced by someone more evil. Who but an absolutely deplorable human being would want that job. So we wait for things to become worse.

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    Steeplejack says:


    IMDB has each season as six one-hour episodes. Maybe PBS ran them in two-hour blocks? I can’t remember from when they were first on.

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    moops says:

    @Kamala.Harris.2020: Yeah, this. The reporters should be pelting him with questions about how WAY out of line he is.

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    Sherparick says:

    Just a technical note, but Attila the Hun was an unauthorized immigrant into the Roman Empire. He was following the footsteps of Alaric, King of the Goths, who defeated & killed the Roman equivalent of Trump in 378 C.E. at Adrianople.

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    Plato says:


    The same 3rd rate media didn’t have any qualms shouting out shitty questions at this thug’s predecessor. The 4th estate are truly the 5th columnists.

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    Achrachno says:

    @cain: “Makes sense since Trump is only acting as president.”

    He doesn’t act like any president I’m aware of.

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    sukabi says:

    Kirsten needs a hug from this.

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    plato says:

    @sukabi: The poor thing will gag.

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    plato says:

    Another resignation: Anthony Zinni, a retired Marine Corps general and former head of U.S. Central Command … is the latest four-star general to exit the admin.
    Zinni resigned after realizing he could not help resolve the Qatar dispute, he told CBS News.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 8, 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:


    So, Kelly’s Girlfriend, Kristen the She Wolf, was more than willing to build the Concentration Camps, Rape Camps, Child Trafficing sites, and fill them,

    But decided building and running the gas chambers and crematorium’s a bridge too far?

    She’s one of the good ones.

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    plato says:

    Zinni resignation follows departure of top-level military officials Mattis and McGurk. Trump admin creating a dangerous vacuum; one outcome may be increased privatization of military with mercenaries like Erik Prince— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) January 8, 2019

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    plato says:

    The Holocaust was legal. Slavery was legal. Segregation was legal.
    People who hid Jews in their homes were criminalized. People who freed slaves were criminalized. People who stood up for equality and justice were criminalized.
    Legality is not a guide for morality!
    — StanceGrounded (@_SJPeace_) April 7, 2019

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    randy khan says:

    With this news, the Trump Cabinet is down to 2 women (out of 15); if you count other Cabinet-level positions (and Linda McMahon’s pending resignation), it’s 3 out of 22. I don’t think Obama ever was below 4 Cabinet members or 7 Cabinet-level positions.

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    dmsilev says:

    @randy khan: Betsy deVos and Elaine Chao, right? deVos is her own brand of awful, but Chao has managed to slide beneath the radar. Not that Transportation is usually a hugely controversial posting, but under this Administration I suppose we should be grateful for what little we can get.

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    cain says:

    @Keith P.:
    Remember, we’re autobots, not decepticons.

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    Duane says:

    @lgerard: “An encyclopedia of policy.” WTF does that even mean? An encyclopedia is considered to contain reliably true information. Nothing about Miller’s policies are anything like that.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @lgerard: Miller’s more of a “Necronomicon of Atrocity” IMHO.

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    Jay says:


    It means the people calling Steven “Incel” Miller an “encyclopedia of policy” are dumber than a flaming bag of shit, and that the Incel has his fingers in all the pies.

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    chopper says:

    this makes me think trump wants to actually legit shit down the border and that policy was too much for her. talk me down.

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    lgerard says:


    Ask Maggie Haberman. It is near the end of this fine report

    Still Standing, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump Step Back in the Spotlight

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    Jay says:


    At his last Klan rally, he mused about just firing machine guns across the border.

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    H.E.Wolf says:


    this makes me think trump wants to actually legit shit down the border

    Your typo is more accurate than the correct spelling would have been. Well played. :)

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    Ken says:



    Like anyone in this administration knows how the Hague, or any other governmental organization, works.

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    chopper says:


    ironically my phone finally decided to stop with the autocorrecting of all the cusses, even the accidental ones. i guess the ghost of steve jobs finally gave up trying to police my writing.

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    jl says:

    Heard a news report that ‘WH sources say’ Trump wants to toughen up on his immigration stance to get ready for 2020 election campaign. IIRC, Trumpsters and GOP tried immigration and xenophobic scare and ‘get tough’ campaigns to win in 2018, and that approach bombed big time. So, they want to do it again? I guess so. Maybe that is a good sign for the 2020 election, if not for the US policy over next 31 months.

    Actually, to be precise, you can go to and see that the next inauguration when we hope Trump goes away is 15673 hours from right now.

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    rikyrah says:

    Saw the beginning last w. It was crazy! But, in a good way. Finding out that it is a true story😯😯😯

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    Duane says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Is a necronomocon a stinking abandoned sewer pond filled with rabid alligators, deadly poisonous frogs and forty-foot multi- headed pythons? Somewhere beneath all that lies Miller’s policies.

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    sukabi says:

    @Duane: when you consider his “policy encyclopedia” comes straight from Hitler’s Germany circa 1930s -40s it makes perfect sense.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: Interesting. Tivo can show you all episodes, even if you don’t have them recorded – and it showed the first two seasons as only 3 episodes, so I thought I had the all (but the first one).

    Will have to do some research on that tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.

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    gvg says:

    @Amir Khalid: He is surrounded by people who don’t care about the law. He has fired the ones who tell him no. Some don’t care about the law, some don’t know and those that do know and care (maybe only they don’t want to go to jail) are trying not to tell him know, even if they are smart enough to not actually follow his orders. He will never understand he doesn’t own the US the way he owned Trump company and he didn’t obey the law then.

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