Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Madame Pelosi, Correct As Always

Many happy returns, Madame Speaker!

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    debbie says:

    “Don’t become like them.” The best advice ever!

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    Jeffro says:

    Wait, I thought tweeting in all caps and also conspiring with a hostile foreign power against my own country was the sign of great leadership? Or something??

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    wjs says:

    Nancy Pelosi knows more about politics than any Republican alive right now, and even most of the dead ones.

    If you can’t get behind Nancy SMASH! then what the hell is the point of anything anymore?

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    hilts says:

    Two thumbs up for Pelosi, congratulations to C-SPAN, and fuck Trump and all of his enablers.

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    lamh36 says:

    Trying to focus on more positive news.

    So here you go…

    This is too cute. Americans can’t wait for baby Sussex. 👑👶🏾👶🏾👑

    Boca Raton seniors throw royal baby shower for Prince Harry, Meghan Markle

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: Is there any Idris news that might be interesting? I see that Luther is returning in a couple of months. Yay!

    What are you thinking about season 2 of Black Lightning?


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    ruemara says:

    I keep wondering if people just forget Republicans hold office too. I mean, the House couldn’t override the presidential veto today thanks to republicans. IDK. It just feels like dems spend more time angry at dems than angry at republicans.

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    jl says:

    Good thing that Pelosi made sure that the ‘no pivot’ line is believable and demonstrable. Not that the corporate media will recognize it, but candidates telling the truth about it on the campaign trail will be more important.
    Also, the new crop of House Dem membership has been very eager to publicize policy initiatives.
    So, happy coincidence that the two have been working in the same direction.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Great post. Thanks!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ruemara: I am so sorry to hear about your 2-month job situation. Are you already off work? Double-awful because of your worries about citizenship. Are you able to talk to an attorney to find out whether that is truly a concern? Oh, and I’m sure there’s no problem with the financial side of meeting with an attorney when you are losing 2 months work!!!

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    Kay says:

    Kyle Griffin
    ‏Verified account
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    American voters say 84-9% that the Mueller report should be made public.
    Every listed party, gender, education, age and racial group supports making the report public by wide margins, according to Quinnipiac.

    Of course they do. And they should get it. It belongs to them.

    Where have all the brave fighters for transparency gone? Is it like the deficit hawks? They hibernate when Republicans are in charge?

    We have the right to know. I want to read it. I don’t want the Presidents hack lawyer’s or the Fox News personalities interpretation. That’s not good enough. Release it.

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    trollhattan says:

    This is our Nana telling us to calm the fvck down. Thanks for the reminder, Nancy!

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    Kay says:

    9% of voters polled say they want the Mueller report kept secret. Yet it remains secret.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Madam Speaker, steady as she goes. So glad she has the gavel.

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    Kattails says:

    @lamh36: Dazzling fascinators & fun idea. Thanks!

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    clay says:


    Where have all the brave fighters for transparency gone?

    Don’t worry, I’m sure Wikileaks and Glenn Greenwald will soon demand… what’s that?


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    ruemara says:

    @WaterGirl: No, I got another 55 days or so. Things will be things, I suppose. I’m not sure about getting an attorney, I’m dealing with a lot of medical issues at the moment. Long story short, medication caused lupus-like symptoms & medication interaction issues. Spending a lot on both the medical consultations to resolve the why & what to do, plus the alt therapy to relieve the symptoms. Keeping my head down and working on work & the next gig.

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    debbie says:


    I just listened to the NYT’s podcast, The Daily, about Mueller’s report, and the reporter’s conclusion is that Mueller’s punting to Barr provides justification for the Dems to keep investigations going. Maybe could this be 11-dimensional chess?

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    Pogonip says:

    I got a message back from my Rep, and the intern who wrote it is due congrats for incorporating a record number of cliches. Briefly, the Rep is concerned about the rising cost of health care but reassures me that althe American system is the best in the world, and is working on ways to make it even better while preserving our fundamental and cherished freedoms.

    I wrote back asking if one of the fundamental and cherished freedoms is the freedom type 1,diabetics have to die because they can’t afford insulin.

    Keep trying, please. Educate, educate, educate.

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    lamh36 says:

    @WaterGirl: Luthr not until June…ugh.

    I posted a vide the other day of Idris giving a “tutorial” on British Slang…just in time for me to learn for my London trip.

    Idris Elba Teaches You British Slang | Vanity Fair https://youtu.be/8tbs8tFTHpE via @YouTube

    As for Black Lightning, I hate to say it, I don’t watch it

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    Jay says:


    “ Barr provides justification for the Dems to keep investigations going. Maybe could this be 11-dimensional chess?”

    Ignorant Pundit Punditing.

    The House Commitees are investigating, were always planning on continuing to investigate,

    Media coverage of politics in the US is excretable.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    This is off-topic and I know I am behind the times but I recently joined Facebook because I wanted to be part of a disability forum.

    I don’t quite understand how Facebook works and I keep ending up on a thread that is a mishmash of advertisements and posts by people I know, including my husband’s cousin, who appears to be a frequent poster.

    Today she announced the Mueller report cleared Trump and I was sick to my stomach. That is something I could live without knowing about her. I could live without knowing which ones of my acquaintances are Bernie fans as well.

    The forum I joined for isn’t very informative or helpful so I will be exiting Facebook as soon as I can figure out how. The whole experience has been an education.

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    Mike in NC says:

    If Fat Bastard wants to kill the ACA via wingnut judges, by all means IMPEACH.

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    columbusqueen says:

    I love Nonna Nancy, & I want to be like her when I grow up.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @debbie: Kevin Drum thinks maybe we should be more like them.

    I don’t really agree (I find these endless re-investigations a waste of time and besides, Pelosi is infallible) but Drum has a decent track record, so linking him here.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @raven: nice! happy to see a photo of the place. I saved the photo, in fact. thank you

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ruemara: Well shit, that doesn’t sound like any fun at all. I’m sorry, ruemara, seems like things should get to be easy for a little while, at least. sigh.

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    C Stars says:

    @Ohio Mom: Ugh, facebook. Went back there recently after taking a four month long break, and it was just as horrible as it always was. Does the one unexpected sweet photo of a friend’s new baby (the friend I never thought would have a baby) make it all worth it? I don’t know. Sometimes?

    Also, I don’t really understand how it works either. Part advertising, part surveillance, part oversharing, and one small part genuine social interaction, all mashed into one messy feed. FB has secret evil algorithms to determine what you see and when/where you see it.

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    ruemara says:

    @WaterGirl: I got almost 3 years of it being easier. Maybe this is a signal that universe is putting itself aright.

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    Jay says:

    “So, for those of you keeping track at home, Shanahan has thrown away a high-paying job at Boeing to come work at the Defense Department. His job is to pilfer funds meant for military readiness to pay for Trump’s stupid Fuck You Mexico Wall. He’s forced to go before Congress and acknowledge that the reallocation hurts military spending. While he’s there, Democrats hand him a letter that says, “If you go nuclear, so will we. And our button’s bigger.” The president is turning the Defense Department into a political football and sending him out to be ritually humiliated. And, oh by the way, he’s never getting to be Secretary of Defense.

    We might feel sorry for Pat Shanahn if he weren’t an arms lobbyist who willingly signed on to the most corrupt administration since the Teapot Dome scandal. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.



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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: Okay, so I just learned all about british slang. What’s up with this new show of his on netflix?

    With the superhero stuff, I would have thought Black Lightning was right up your alley. Never liked it or started out okay and you ditched it?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ruemara: Will hope that maybe it’s one big bump before you cruise for another long while.

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    Those troubling EU copyright proposals I wrote about a while back were passed today, because somebody pushed the wrong button. https://medium.com/@emanuelkarlsten/sweden-democrats-swedish-social-democrats-defeat-motion-to-amend-articles-11-13-731d3c0fbf30

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    Jay says:

    @C Stars:

    The Book of Faces is actually pretty simple.

    Under the guise of social interaction, it learns “everything” about you, bundles that information to anyone willing to pay for it. Banks, Advertisers, Russian Intelligence, Identity Theft Scammers.

    It then sells those same people access to your social media networks, so that they can “influence” you, to buy their product, vote the way they want you to, feed your anger and hate, radicalize you on line.

    It’s 1984’s Ministry, but with only digital buckets of digital rats.

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    trollhattan says:

    WaPo columnist Catherine Rampell takes Stephen Moore to the woodshed, unleases wood.

    President Trump reportedly chose Stephen Moore for one of the vacancies at the Federal Reserve Board after reading a Wall Street Journal op-ed Moore wrote attacking the Fed. The piece, co-authored with Louis Woodhill, made two central claims: (1) we’re experiencing deflation, and (2) the way to address it is to follow a rule adopted by Paul Volcker in the 1980s.

    Slight problem though: Both of those claims are flat-out false. There is no deflation, and Volcker never created the imaginary “rule” Moore is now attributing to him. I know, because I asked Volcker — as Moore once suggested I do.

    Deflation, for those unfamiliar, means prices are falling. There are three major measures of price changes: the consumer price index, the personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index, and the “core” PCE price index (which excludes energy and food, which can be volatile). All three show modest but positive year-over-year price increases.

    Moore and Woodhill explain this away by saying that in fact we shouldn’t be looking at overall price changes — instead we should be looking at just a small subset of prices, specifically commodities. Commodities refer to goods that are interchangeable with one another, such as metals, oil, soybeans, wheat, etc.

    Moore historically has had trouble distinguishing whether price changes in commodities are driven by monetary policy (that is, the Fed allowing too much or too little money to slosh around) or market-specific shocks. For instance, when I’ve appeared with him on CNN before, he has cited as evidence of “deflation” the fact that U.S. soybean prices have fallen. And hey, soybean prices are down! But as everyone in America except apparently Moore is aware, soybean prices have fallen primarily because China stopped buying U.S. soybeans in retaliation for Trump’s trade war, not because of changes in the money supply.

    Nonetheless, Moore claimed in this op-ed, as well as in that CNN appearance, that his confused understanding of inflation and Fed policy was endorsed by none other than the godfather of sound Fed policy: former Fed chairman Paul Volcker.

    [other stuff, now the good part]

    When I first, shall we say, expressed skepticism about Moore’s claim in that CNN debate, he suggested I get things from the horse’s mouth.

    MOORE: Do you know what the Volcker Rule was? You know how he killed inflation? He followed commodity prices. Every time commodity prices went up, he — he raised interest rates, and every time —

    RAMPELL: That’s not what the Volcker Rule is.

    MOORE: Yes, it was. That’s what he did, and that’s how we conquered inflation, and that’s why —

    RAMPELL: Google the Volcker Rule, people. That’s not what the Volcker Rule is.

    MOORE: Yes, it was. Ask him. Ask him.

    So I figured, why not ask Volcker? I sent an inquiry through his book publicist, who passed it along to Volcker’s assistant. The assistant replied: “I showed this to Mr. Volcker and he says that he does not remember ever establishing a commodity-price rule.”

    There you have it. Trump has nominated to the world’s most powerful central bank a guy who has trouble telling whether prices are going up or down, and struggles to remember how the most famous Fed chair in history successfully stamped out inflation. But hey, Republican senators still seem keen on him because “the establishment” keeps pointing out how inept he is.

    This guy can’t be allowed anywhere near the joint.

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    ruemara says:

    @WaterGirl: I like Black Lightning. It’s pretty innovative in story style and music choices.

    @WaterGirl: Boy, I hope so. I hit 50 this year. I’d like 50 onward to be the complete opposite financially, mentally, emotionally & romantically of my entire fucking life so far.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    @trollhattan: This guy can’t be allowed anywhere near the joint.

    And so, of course, he will be. One more victory for President Putin.

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    lamh36 says:

    @WaterGirl: Never got into it and now just don’t have the time.

    As for Idris Netflix show, I’ll admit, I’ve got a Netflix account but my mom uses it more than I do…I rarely watch stuff on it.

    I have to actually plan to watch rather than randomly watch. Maybe once I get rid of my cable I will start watching it more?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ruemara: Yeah, I like that they kind of do their own thing and don’t try to fit some mold.

    We’ll work on your post 50 dreams/plans/goals. :-)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Today she announced the Mueller report cleared Trump and I was sick to my stomach. That is something I could live without knowing about her.

    That’s why I quit Facebook after trump was “elected”. I lost so much respect for so many people.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    1974 – The entire Washington and national political press corps, their editors, and their publishers: we are willing to go to jail to expose the information the Nixon Administration is trying to hide from the American people and Congress.

    2019 – The majority of the Washington and national political press corps, their editors, and their publishers: it is time to move on rather than expose the information that the Trump administration is trying to hide from the American people and Congress.

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nobody cares about the Dahlberg repercussions.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @C Stars: Facebook is spooky. Ohio Dad is in the market for a new car and I did some googling on his behalf —and just like that! Car ads.

    I also have Bernie ads, Amy Klobuchar ads ugh and ugh). Ads from the futniture consignment store I bought a lampshade at TWO years ago.

    I feel like I’m being followed.

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    ruemara says:

    @Ohio Mom: You are. It’s the biggest open secret of all the internet. You are spying on you with the help of bots and trackers.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @B.B.A.: None of them know who he is.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ohio Mom: private browsing and VPN are your friends

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: We have 2 F22s on station 8 miles out. Please remain in your current location…

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    lamh36 says:

    I’ve mostly been ambivalent on Biden running. If ya paying attention ya already know who my candidate is

    But this answer on Anita Hill…from Joe.This ain’t it Joe…this ain’t it at all.

    Follow Follow @sam_vinograd
    Says Anita Hill showed incredible courage during the Clarence Thomas nearing – she was abused during the hearing and @JoeBiden says he wishes he could have done something.

    5:58 PM – 26 Mar 2019
    56m56 minutes ago
    He says to this day he regrets that he couldn’t give her the hearing she deserved – a hearing where she was respected and a hearing where the tone of the questioning wasn’t insulting and the fact that she stood up was recognized as taking a lot of courage.

    As if he was just a bystander on the committee…

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    @Ohio Mom: @ruemara: That’s mostly not even Facebook, either.

    @Steve in the ATL: Private browsing doesn’t help as much as you might think. If you are generally concerned about such things though, you should definitely not be using Chrome.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Jay: I saw your comment after I responded to C Stars. I realize I am the very last person in the world to finally open a Facebook account and fully comprehend how awful it is.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Firefox whenever possible. And full encryption VPN, unless I’m just checking Balloon juice. Which may be a huge mistake….

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    lamh36 says:

    Evil fuq’ers!

    Follow Follow @thehill
    DeVos proposes $18 million in cuts to Special Olympics: “We had to make some difficult decisions” http://hill.cm/ittKRcG

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: Or once you finish school! I will watch Idris on his new show for you this week and report back.

    You know, I never watched The Wire so I never got to see him when he was younger.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: The worst is what he said most recently about Anita Hill. I can’t recall his exact words, so I won’t try to quote him. Ugh, Joe.

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    kindness says:

    I remember when a ‘certain segment’ of liberals were against Nancy being House Speaker again. What ever happened to those guys (& gals)?

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    Jay says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    So you found the Ministries bucket of digital rats on your first encounter?

    You must have been a very, very bad girl😇

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    rk says:

    I’ve been watching something on youtube called “three blokes in a pub” where three guys discuss in great detail how exactly Brexit is going to affect the UK. To say I’m horrified is an understatement. It reminds me so much of the US. Basically the leavers were completely lied to (their fault for believing the con artists). Now the con artists are in charge led by Theresa May who is more stupid than Trump and equally clueless. In reality it was a choice between “do you want to kill yourself and your kids” or do you want to remain in the EU? They chose death. It may not be a literal death (though for many it will be), but that country basically voted for suicide if it goes through with Brexit. I don’t see how they can avoid massive unemployment, disruption and a depression like economic state. And they’ll take Ireland and Scotland down with them. Unbelievable! Just listening to them made my almost hyperventilate.
    Reminds me of repeal and replace of ACA. There was never going to be a replace with something better. It was all about obtaining power and destruction.

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    Nicole says:


    You know, I never watched The Wire so I never got to see him when he was younger.

    Well, lucky for you, watching The Wire is still possible. I didn’t see it until it had been off the air for years, and then binged all 5 seasons in a matter of weeks. Very entertaining. Season 4, which centers itself in the public school system, was probably my favorite, but I liked all of the seasons (the final one maybe a bit less than the others).

    And yeah, Idris Elba is excellent in it.

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    Nicole says:


    I remember when a ‘certain segment’ of liberals were against Nancy being House Speaker again. What ever happened to those guys (& gals)?

    A (liberal) friend of mine was one of those. We got into it on FB one night and she spouted every talking point I’m sure she heard on NPR. It has taken a great deal of control on my part not to remind her and ask what she thinks these days. But I figure Nancy would say to me, “Look, who ended up with the gavel? Let it go; there’s work to do.” ;)

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    Pogonip says:

    @Ohio Mom: You are.

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    SFAW says:


    I remember when a ‘certain segment’ of liberals were against Nancy being House Speaker again. What ever happened to those guys (& gals)?

    And, as if by magic, I got a “Democracy for America” fundraising e-mail today, wherein they explained that the Demon-rat Party is actually THE greatest threat to America, babbies, and puppies. Kittens, too. And how did they make their case? By talking about AOC, who slew the evil Pelosi-sycophant whatsisname, and how Ayanna Presley beat the dreaded Mike Capuano (whom they did not try to paint as a conservative), and how Hakeem Jeffries is a Pelosi suck-up and therefore not liberal enough. In short, Speaker Dragon Lady is preventing America from enacting liberal policies, and so therefore I should give them money to fight her eviltude.

    Of course, the finale was given to extolling the virtues of noted LIBERAL … I know you’re all going to be shocked, SHOCKED! … Seth Moulton. Well, they didn’t exactly call him a liberal, but he was against Pelosi, and that’s good enough for them.

    I replied, suggesting that they read TBogg’s “Mumia sweatshirt” classic, particularly the last line.

    Fucking morons. It’s amazing we ever win anything, with “supporters” like that.

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