Let’s Compare and Contrast

Mistermix discussed the responsible and sane approach that New Zealand took after one (1) mass shooting, so let’s take a look at what is going on deep in the heart of the Idiocracy for some contrast:

An active-shooter training exercise at an Indiana elementary school in January left teachers with welts, bruises and abrasions after they were shot with plastic pellets by the local sheriff’s office conducting the session.

The incident, acknowledged in testimony this week before state lawmakers, was confirmed by two elementary school teachers in Monticello, who described an exercise in which teachers were asked by local law enforcement to kneel down against a classroom wall before being sprayed across their backs with plastic pellets without warning.

“They told us, ‘This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,’” said one of the two teachers, both of whom asked IndyStar not to be identified out of concern for their jobs. “They shot all of us across our backs. I was hit four times.

“It hurt so bad.”

Now, these teachers and the state’s largest teachers union want to stop this from happening in other Hoosier schools. The Indiana State Teachers Association is lobbying lawmakers to add language prohibiting teachers from being shot with any sort of ammunition to a school safety bill working its way through the Statehouse.

“What we’re looking for is just a simple statement in this bill that would prohibit the shooting of some type of projectile at staff in an active shooter drill,” said Gail Zeheralis, director of government relations for the ISTA during testimony in support of House Bill 1004 before lawmakers Wednesday.

jesus fucking tapdancing christ

One nation bans the guns used in mass shootings, the other lines their teachers up and shoots them in the back to help prepare them for the inevitable future shootings.

Whoever though a union would have to write “The school board can not shoot the teachers with plastic projectiles” into the next contract?

113 replies
  1. 1
    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    I hate gun fetishists.

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    r€nato says:

    I can’t wait for the next chapter in this disgusting saga: when a shooter hits a school with armed teachers and they fail to take down the shooter or accidentally shoot students, then conservative lawmakers will get the two-fer of shitting on teachers all over again and also shitting on the victims of a mass shooting at the same time.

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    Mandalay says:

    teachers were asked by local law enforcement to kneel down against a classroom wall before being sprayed across their backs with plastic pellets without warning

    How is that remotely legal? There has to be more to this story than that.

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    satby says:

    This story coming out of Indiana doesn’t surprise me at all now that I live here. At least I live in the relative sanity of the Buttigieg zone 😉

    But yeah, they will do anything, including risking their own children’s lives, to keep their fetish objects.

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    sukabi says:

    That’s bad, but part of some of the drills involve training the little kids to run around yelling and throwing things…not telling the kids they are being used as diversionary targets to get older kids out.

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    Ol'Froth says:

    I went through ALICE instructor training, and we were using nerf balls to simulate gunshots. Seems a lot better than plastic pellets, but why do we have to do it at all?

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    gratuitous says:

    The United States will do anything – and that means anything – to avoid regulating firearms. We will shoot teachers. Fake bullets this time, no guarantees about the next time. And that “well-regulated militia” foofaraw in the Second Amendment? That’s just 18th century frilly language; doesn’t mean anything today. Or then, in case someone tries to get all “originalist.”

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    scav says:

    Some of those boys in blue must have orgasmed when they came up with that lesson plan. And everyone with a blinding hatred for public schooling and teachers unions will be right in there with the fetshists cheering them on.

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    Drunkenhausfrau says:

    We’re doomed

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    Gravenstone says:

    @scav: The Ohio district adjacent to the one I graduated from responded to the Newtown shooting by … authorizing concealed carry for their maintenance and janitorial staff. Yeah, that’s really reassuring to know that Cletus and Fred are packing. Hopefully they’re not also tipping a few back in the bus barn during a slow afternoon.

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    hueyplong says:

    Seems like that kind of “training” is designed to make the teachers trigger happy once they’re armed.

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    trollhattan says:

    My kid’s HS has adroitly sidestepped any problems with heat-packin’ janitors, having only enough budget for weekend custodial work. With 2,500 teens 5 days/week there’s virtually no evidence anybody cleans up, ever.

    I’m sure if they were be-chartered this would no longer be a problem.

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    JGabriel says:

    IndyStar via John Cole @ Top:

    “They told us, ‘This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,’” said one of the two teachers, both of whom asked IndyStar not to be identified out of concern for their jobs. “They shot all of us across our backs. I was hit four times.

    It sounds like Indiana should set a minimum IQ level for its cops.

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    pat says:

    I read the article. Jeezus. Line the teachers up against the wall, shoot them in the back, tell them that is what they can expect if they don’t.. what, rush the shooter so they can be shot in the front??

    The mind boggles…again…..

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    JGabriel says:


    How is that remotely legal? There has to be more to this story than that.

    There really doesn’t. You overestimate American conservatives. They really are that stupid.

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    joel hanes says:

    NRA is the lobbying and PR arm of the gun manufacturing companies in the USA.

    According to Wikipedia, there are two small specialy armaments manufacturers in New Zealand.

    According to the same article, there are about 150 gun manufacturers in the United States.

    $$$ -> campaigns + hysterical 2nd amendment propaganda == no gun control legislation

    and that’s even before factoring the the flow of Russian money through the NRA.

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    cmorenc says:

    Let’s test the gun-humpers in the NRA with hails of plastic bullets aimed not just at their backs, but more um…more exquisitely sensitive areas as well. I’m all for letting them be crash-test dummies in “active shooter” drills.

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    This is idiotic and infuriating.

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    JGabriel says:


    We’re doomed


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    Alien Radio says:

    @sukabi: Wait, wasn’t that what DougJ Trolled Meghan McCardle or Andrew Sullivan with?

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    arrieve says:

    Holy crap on a cracker. Even trying to see this from the point of view of the “instructors” what exactly is this supposed to prepare the teachers for? Letting them know that it will hurt a lot when they’re shot for real?

    My former employer started having active shooter drills a couple of years ago, because that is the country we live in, but they consisted of telling us to Get Out, Hide if we couldn’t get out, and Fight only if found by throwing anything available at the shooter. They didn’t make us actually hide under desks while masked role-players hunted us down.

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    elm says:

    Who wants to bet on if there’s any evidence that this sort of “training” is effective?

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    MattF says:

    Guns are the answer, always. I’m sure that if Democrats prevail in 2020, we’ll see stockpiling of arms and ammunition. Again.

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    trollhattan says:

    @joel hanes:
    Do we have any idea what gun makers sell their wares in NZ? I’d be surprised if domestic makers are their largest suppliers (and what’s with one of two being a boat builder?).

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    trollhattan says:

    Has any politician been more effective moving arms and ammo than President Obama? [Asked rhetorically]

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    WaterGirl says:

    It’s even worse than what Cole posted. According to a post on LGM, 4 teachers were brought into the classroom and they were shot in the way Cole described. The other teachers were waiting outside in the hallway and could hear the screaming. The teachers who had been shot were told not to tell anyone what had happened.

    And then the brought in the next 4 teachers. And the next. And the next.

    Holy fucking fuck. This is sick and insane.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Can we have a kitty or dog or turtle post, please? This is too awful to contemplate.

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    Hoodie says:

    The gun fetish is a symptom of a uniquely American psychopathy. Americans, particularly white Americans, love fantasizing about their own agency, including the ability to counter and inflict violence. These mass shootings perversely provide a way to further indulge the fantasy, which is played out in this ridiculous exercise. This is is why it gets worse rather than better after each one of these shootings. New Zealand immediately recognized after this incident that humans are simply too flawed to let them carry around these inherently dangerous instruments. In contrast, idiot Americans view it as an opportunity for personal growth through improved training for combat.

    It’s related to the whole temporarily embarrassed millionaire phenomenon, a perverse expression of the“can do” ethic, which can be both admirable and idiotic.

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    sukabi says:

    @Alien Radio: don’t know, but there have been several articles come out in the last couple of years as parents start asking questions about their kids lockdown drills.

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    raven says:

    Auburn-NMSU is NUTS!

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    piratedan says:

    wow, talk about feeding into the GOP fantasy of ending public education, lets just shoot the teachers to show them more fear and then tell them not to speak about it…

    I’m sure these guys must also moonlight as GOP campaign staffers too….

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    It’s not like the Hoosier State, will produce Nobel Laureates in physics.

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    raven says:

    @WaterGirl: Before everyone went all wobbly we used to have March Madness threads. But we’re taking advantage of these poor kids so better we don’t.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    @Mandalay: It would have been great if the teachers in that exercise had followed standard gun nut advice and rushed the shooter.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @raven: Not sure I understand what you are saying. ?

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    an opportunity for personal growth through improved training for combat.

    I hear there’s an organization that can provide state-of-the-art training for combat. For free! They even cover your room and board while you’re being trained!

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    piratedan says:

    @raven: at least NMSU had their chances without too much thumbs on the scales from the officials

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: He’s nostalgic for the old days when this site would have threads devoted to sports.

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    chopper says:


    cause nothing fills me with more confidence in the safety of my children’s schools like “janitors packing heat”.

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    Quiltingfool says:

    What. The. Hell. How much more of this stupid shit will students and teachers have to take? You know what, they can get away with doing this to teachers – shooting them in the back AND then insulting them. This is how teachers are treated, I should know, I’m a retired teacher. I swear to God, if one of the f*cking moron cops in the rural town where I taught did this, I think I would’ve opened a can of whoop ass. Actually, now that I think about it, I would have probably taught some of those cops, and they might not have done that to me – I had a pretty scary “teacher” look, could be described as crazy Charlie Manson eyes, so kids knew when to shut down the nonsense, and I didn’t have to yell – win, win! This whole business with arming teachers simply infuriates me. And frightens me. It’s a good way to get an innocent killed, and then you have to live with that the rest of your life. Honestly, I thought about what I would do if a shooter threatened my students, and although I would be scared out of my mind, I would shield my kids from a bullet – just as if they were my flesh and blood. I always thought I was there in place of the parents, and it was my duty to protect. But I am not going to carry a gun.

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    If I were a teacher I’d be fucking going on strike. I should not, WE OUGHT NOT TO, be forced to work in an environment where they are using us for target practice, we should NOT force teachers to carry guns like cops (and certainly shouldn’t pay them any less than cops), we should not accept any situation where our teachers are unable to do their jobs of educating our kids.

    Jesus, America. To every teacher out there, you should be marching against this madness of turning your classrooms into shooting galleries.

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    Plato says:

    God bless murka.
    God: Sure, here are your three boons.
    Lifetime rethug judges

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    Ruckus says:

    To answer your question, they do this stupid shit because they can not imagine a world where they have to think before killing someone. That would be a world where logic might randomly happen, and that is unacceptable to conservatives because if they allowed logic, they would have to rethink their entire world view.

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    I’m reading a novel about the Black Death and I swear it’s cheerier than political news.

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    hueyplong says:

    Not sure how that third NMSU free throw failed to drop.

    Irritating to see Bruce Pearl get away with that one.

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    We had active shooter training here at my library.

    They taught us:
    1) alert all patrons and escort them to safe places
    2) put up barricades where you can
    3) wait for proper response teams
    4) they offered some information on treating wounded, but wasn’t much.

    they are not teaching us to go kamikaze on the gunmen, and they didn’t break out pellet guns to shoot us. If they had, I would have charged the SOBs with assault.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: There’s nothing wrong with some sports threads, even if the sport I am most interested in is women’s volleyball, and there will never be a thread about that!

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    Ruckus says:

    Sounds like they already have a maximum.

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    Brickley Paiste says:


    Looks like about 30 deaths per year on average over the past few years.

    You really have to wonder about the wisdom of traumatizing millions of school children (and, apparently, an occasional teacher, too) with these drills since children have about as much chance as being struck by lighting as dying in a school shooting.

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    Ruckus says:

    @joel hanes:
    And you aren’t counting the after market gun accessory mfg.

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    gvg says:

    I think the proper response is to fire that whole police department. There was no need for that, someone did it because they liked it and thought they could get away with it. It’s not even a question in my mind. Check who thought of it, which cops actually did it, who is covering up where the orders came from and fire them all with bad references so they won’t be hired elsewhere. I would think it’s already illegal and would look into arresting those cops and their superiors.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I’m reading a novel about the Black Death

    Ooooh, which one?

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    Mike in NC says:

    Saint Sanders is suddenly calling for a ban on assault rifles. What, no longer in love with the NRA?

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @raven: I miss the days of hoops threads in March too.
    Says the person who forgot to fill out a bracket in the office charity split. But I paid, so the Special Olympics will get half. And someone randomized a bracket for me, and sent me a copy!

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    gvg says:

    A friend stopped by to visit and mentioned her 10 year old had the active shooter drill recently. Afterwards he had bad dreams and asked parents if he should look for his brother or hide and worry if a shooter came. They told him to hide and his brother too. Mom was disturbed by the issue even coming up. No wonder the kids are the ones who have finally acted up.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Connie Willis? Doomsday Book?

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    raven says:

    @piratedan: When you have a j from the corner to win the officials are not relevant. The kid goes to the rack instead of throwing it out front it’s OT with Auburn’s best player on the bench.

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    Chris T. says:

    Whoever though a union would have to write “The school board can not shoot the teachers with plastic projectiles” into the next contract?

    Which will be followed by Republicans saying: That’s what’s wrong with society today, these liberal unions are against school boards shooting teachers with plastic projectiles! In my day we shot everyone with plastic projectiles and they liked it!

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    sukabi says:

    @Quiltingfool: think you’ve identified a large part of the problem. Students and teachers have been reduced to numbers. GOP Policymakers have turned this into an actuaries problem. It’s the cost – loss equation of gun makers profits over lives lost, and as long as it’s not THEIR kids or relatives getting murdered the kids are faceless numbers.

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    @joel hanes:

    NRA is the lobbying and PR arm of the gun manufacturing companies in the USA.

    New Zealand doesn’t have half its population so crazed that they’ll vote fanatically against policies they would otherwise want, if doing so spites liberals.


    It’s related to

    Racism. The overwhelming #1 driver of this is racism. “Fuck those n- loving liberals”. “I see brown people everywhere and I’m terrified and must have a gun.” “The race war is coming.” “I keep hearing about blacks being shot because of a lack of gun laws, and I enjoy hearing that.” And of course “Thanks to being nice, women and queers and darkies are uppity these days. White Jesus, one of them got elected president! No more being nice, ever.”

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    Marcopolo says:

    While we are on the topic of compare & contrast: today is Jimmy Carter’s bday—he is now the longest lived Prez in US history. Oh, and during the 4 years he was Prez, Carter had a higher monthly job creation rate (204K per—with a smaller US pop) than the orange toilet bowl critter (198K per) has had through his first 25 months.


    Sorry the link isn’t text embedded but I’m phoning this in & trying to do that on a phone touchscreen is too damn hard.

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    Mart says:

    Forwarded to my very pregnant high school teaching daughter. Wondered if they sick bastards would have fired pellets at her?

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    it’s not THEIR kids or relatives getting murdered the kids are faceless numbers.

    The Republicans in the Senate got personally shot at. Their response was to double down on more guns everywhere. This is ideology, and that ideology is that if you take guns away, white people might not be able to stay in charge.

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    Ruckus says:

    Everything in conservative world has a cost factor. An that is, “What will this cost ME?” And there are no other questions.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I used to do construction work during summer breaks in college. I worked with an old alcoholic carpenter who once told me “Before I joined the Marines, a group for boys in high school used to regularly beat the shit out me. After I returned home, remade into a man by the USMC, they still regularly beat the shit out of me.”

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    hells littlest angel says:

    Sue the motherfuckers into the poorhouse.

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    Kent says:

    Teacher here. I’ve been through endless permutations of these drills over the years. Active shooter, shelter in place, evacuation, etc. High school I taught at in Texas was next to an industrial facility so we practiced evacuation and walking 1/2 mile away to a middle school in the event of an industrial chlorine leak or something (Texas…)

    This bullshit just wants to make me scream. There isn’t a school in the country that hasn’t gone through a decade of this stuff and I see no evidence it has done anything to reduce the frequency or severity of school shootings. But I guess it is easier than actually doing the correct thing like New Zealand. I think we need some psycho to shoot up some DC area private school full of GOP politician’s kids before we are going to ever see any action.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @gvg: Absofuckinglutely. None of these cops should be allowed to work in law enforcement ever again.

    Long past time to get tough on shitty cops.

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    Mike in Pasadena says:

    @WaterGirl: This. Gun humping males are sadists. A glittering generality that is nevertheless true.

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    Chris Johnson says:


    If I were a teacher I’d be fucking going on strike.

    Which is right and good, but the NRA are backed by Russia and in the long run they WANT you as a teacher to go on strike, quit, give up the fight. This-all is enemy action. Don’t be too quick to think it’s just Amurrican Greatness: it’s enemy action, those people are manipulated on purpose to act that way in the full understanding that it damages the country.

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    Gravenstone says:


    Get Out, Hide if we couldn’t get out, and Fight only if found

    That’s actually the national consensus guidance – Run, Hide, Fight (and how sad is it that such a thing exists today?).

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    piratedan says:

    @raven: there was speculation that the player thought they were down by three, not two, which would explain his actions… or he could have thought, “let’s play to win!!!”

    either way, NMSU had their chances and yet Aubrun still escaped… lots of games closer than I expected this year, but we’ve yet to see too many top seeds play yet

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    burnspbesq says:

    I swear to God, if one of the f*cking moron cops in the rural town where I taught did this, I think I would’ve opened a can of whoop ass.

    And you likely would have been fired AND prosecuted.

    This is so fucked up, I don’t know where to start.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @Mike in NC: Probably trying to ditch the Russians, far too late

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    joel hanes says:


    New Zealand doesn’t have half its population so crazed

    The US didn’t either, once upon a time.

    The NRA actually helped write the gun control laws that keep you from owning a full-automatic weapon, or a bazooka.

    But then at the 1977 NRA national convention, a cabal of 2nd Amendment absolutists executed and organizational coup d’etat, and the NRA made a hard right turn and began running dishonest and hysterical anti-gun-control propaganda in their magazine and in print ads in major publications, and they’ve only gotten crazier since.

    Propaganda works.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Good lord. Even *I* have never shot union members with pellets.

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    raven says:

    @Hoodie: In basic they loved to tell you “don’t go home and try to pull this shit back on the block”!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mart: THIS WAS SO TOTALLY RECKLESS! What if someone was recovering from surgery? Had back problems? Had a blood disorder? Had PTSD? Everyone involved in approving this, promoting this, or perpetrating this should be fired.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    If these cops think that this is needed to “train” people on how to react to a mass shooting, and mass shootings can happen anywhere, not just schools, and to anyone, then they should be A-fucking-OK with me corralling their wives, sisters, and daughters and shooting them with plastic bullets until I run out. RIGHT?

    This, of course, should be done in front of the cops, who no doubt will need to be restrained. Once all of their female kin have welts all over their backs, I would have to shoot the cops with more plastic bullets. Front side. Low. You know, just so they’d get the complete experience. I guess I’d have to continue this until the cops started communicating to me that they now fully comprehend the idiocy and cruelty of this approach. However, since that last 3 out of 5 cops I had the misfortune to have to deal with could not communicate the simplest concept, probably I’ll need way more plastic bullets.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    And someone randomized a bracket for me

    You’re as likely to win as anyone else.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steve in the ATL: So, real bullets, then?

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    Wanderer says:

    Person responsible for creating and authorizing sheriff officers should be fired! The officers pulling the triggers should be evaluated to determine fitness for duty as their judgement seems less than reliable. This is disgustingly disgraceful behavior.

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    raven says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: I went to our Calcutta last night and barely got two teams because the bidding has gone through the roof!

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    scav says:

    @WaterGirl: Sounds like a version of the Milgram study dreamt up by actual “authorities”.

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    danielx says:


    As a lifelong resident (more or less), I can tell you that the idea is fine but it’s way too late. A friend of mine who resides in an Indiana county that shall remain unnamed swears that the sheriff’s department screens job applicants to find those that were abused as children: hire THOSE guys.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That’s true, but underlying the racism is the solipsistic presumption that you get to impose your will. All human beings have the tendency to want to make the world in the way they see fit, but American culture tends to create an exaggerated sense of license to actually do so, especially for those in the socially dominant group (white males). That gets reinforced by legal and other constructs. In other words, the ideology weaponizes the racism. There’s plenty of racism in New Zealand and, more particularly, Australia, but it doesn’t get in the way of, for example, outlawing ownership of assault weapons by individuals.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @scav: Exactly. I wonder if these “shooters” were ordered to do that or if they were volunteers.

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    Mike in Pasadena says:

    The story did not tell us whether any of the teachers shot with the pellets, then got up, rushed the shooter and kneed him in the groin. Too bad. That should have happened, but then the teacher would have been fired.

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    Aleta says:

    Ken Trump, a school safety expert in Ohio… said he’s heard of a growing number of workers compensation claims and even some litigation stemming from teacher injuries during these types of training programs. An Iowa school insurance company reportedly paid out more than $250,000 in claims related to active-shooter training injuries over a two-year period.
    Oftentimes, these programs are taught in a “train the trainer” model. One or two law enforcement officers will receive the training through an organization and then go back and train others in their department. It can leave room for interpretation, Trump said.

    This idea that going through a training qualified someone to be a ‘trainer.’

    I wonder if police departments do this internally with other trainings too. Private security companies do, and it’s dangerous. For example, taking classes in martial arts, doing exhibitions, and achieving ranks does not make someone a teacher.

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    Hoodie says:

    @WaterGirl: I imagine that some of them get off on that sort of thing as a power thing. A lot of people wanted to be guards at the concentration camps and, no doubt, many of them rationalized that they were doing their part for the Fatherland, but also kind of dug being able to fuck with people with no consequences. The racism made it easier for them to rationalize their behavior, but might not have been the base motivator. Human beings are capable of disgusting behavior. We’re fucking barely sentient animals.

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    Annie says:


    Run, hide, fight is what I was told both times I took active shooter training (I work in a courthouse and we get a lot of crazies in here). The guys who gave the training were state police officers, all with training in handling active shootings, and two of them had been in real active shooting situations. All of them said these situations are so fluid and unpredictable that there is no one “correct” response. The ones who had been in real active-shootings also said they were scared to death, despite having weapons and training.

    So that cop who said “this is what happens if you just cower” is full of it.

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    Logan Brown says:

    @WaterGirl: I am stunned there wasn’t a mass resignation at that point. Everyone who created and carried that out should have been fired yesterday.

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    Captain C says:

    So, what happens when an armed teacher pulls out his Glock, or AK, or whatever, and just unloads on the idiots shooting them with pellets?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Logan Brown: I am totally with you on that.

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    stinger says:

    One nation bans the guns used in mass shootings, the other lines their teachers up and shoots them in the back to help prepare them for the inevitable future shootings.

    I’m going to post this everywhere I can think of.

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    chopper says:

    what’s also amazing to me is that these assholes want to take the most overworked and underpaid people in the schools, the teachers and janitors, and give em guns and tell them they have to be all john rambo during a school shooting.

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    agorabum says:

    But if you haven’t practiced getting executed with a shot to the back of the head, you might screw it up when it is actually time to be executed.

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    Quiltingfool says:

    @burnspbesq: Oh, I’m pretty sure the district I worked for would have fired me (they love to throw teachers under the bus) and prosecution for striking a cop, yeah. BUT. I belonged to a teachers union, membership includes attorney services; this situation was not a normal cop/citizen interaction, presumably I did not agree to be assaulted in this scenario, and, I was defending myself (okay, that’s weak, but hey, got to try). Also, the county prosecutor, local cops and school district are most likely going to want to avoid sweet, sweet discovery, and an ensuing lawsuit. Now, I know that lawsuits take a long time, (used to work for a anti-trust litigation attorney)and I know from working with said lawyer that nobody likes going to trial, especially for this situation – all the dirty laundry gets exposed publicly. I’d say if a teacher decked one of those cops, there might be an arrest, etc., but I’ll bet it would be resolved pretty damned quick to avoid toxic fallout.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I found that book incredibly depressing.

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    dman says:

    The gun fetishists and RWNJ see those teachers as LIBTARDS anyways,, so its all good

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    Gex says:

    @Alien Radio: Actually, McCardle suggested training school kids to rush the shooter.

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    debbie says:

    Why are they lobbying? They should be fucking suing.

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    sm*t cl*de says:


    New Zealand doesn’t have half its population so crazed that they’ll vote fanatically against policies they would otherwise want, if doing so spites liberals.

    New Zealand is too small a market to interest the Murdoch Press.

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    Origuy says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    It’s not like the Hoosier State, will produce Nobel Laureates in physics.

    Nobel Laureates E. M. Purcell 1952 (Purdue ’33), Phillip Anderson (born Indianapolis), J. Hans D. Jensen 1963 (visiting professor at Indiana ’53) might disagree with you.

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    trollhattan says:

    That’s great and all, but Hoosier Klansmen still outnumber them. :-P

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Well, my alma matter in Indiana (small liberal arts school) has two Nobel laureates in chemistry. So it’s not impossible.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Quaker in a Basement: Empty a fire extinguisher into his face, then brain him with the empty shell.

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    scav says:

    Not only do we have a cadre of police officers and admnstrators that thinks it’s ok to shoot civilians in order to teach them a lesson “for their own good” — apparently we’re now actually training officers to do so. There was instruction and learning on both sides of this charming event. The teachers shot may or may not walk away having learned to follow the cops prefered method of escalating an incident (why else provide their chosen stunt?) — I guess will just have to hope that some of the armed participants have second thoughts about their actions after havng no problem with it once,

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    Comrade Mary says:

    This isn’t on the same level as SHOOTING TEACHERS WITH PELLETS but the Conservative Ontario government (now headed by Rod Ford’s meaner, needier brother) recently announced changes to high school class limits. This isn’t just going to force out a lot of teachers as class sizes increase, but is going to make a lot of kids endure worse conditions and/or drop out earlier. The Minister of Education has tried to justify the change by saying that some parents can just get tutors, and that this kind of classroom environment will make kids more resilient and prepare them for the real world.

    Jesus Hopscotching Christ, indeed.

    (Meanwhile, Trudeau seems to be fucking setting us up for a federal Tory government this fall. Do you want Andrew Scheer? Because that’s how you get Andrew Scheer.)

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Gravenstone: @Origuy: Mea Culpa Mea Culpa,

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    Radiumgirl says:

    @Captain C: My thought exactly. If I were packing a gun and that happened to me, I’m afraid I’d lose it and start shooting.

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    Zinsky says:

    In a complex, interconnected society like most Americans live in these days, the mere fact we allow people to walk around with loaded handguns legally is pure insanity. If you are a rancher on the plains of Wyoming – fine. A person living in a modern American city has no need and should have no right to carry a firearm. The Second Amendment is or should be, contextual.

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