Hitting Bottom


Is that what we learned from the 2016 election? I thought we learned that Fox pumped up bullshit that hurt Democrats and hid anything that could hurt Trump. But I’m not getting a six figure check from them. Perhaps that would alter my perspective.






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    matt says:

    Well now, I think that should make things clear for everyone, she’s following the Caddell and Schoen Vichy Democrat career track.

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    brantl says:

    If she presents any reasonable defense of Democrats they will muzzle/yank her.

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    Keith P. says:

    @brantl: Or book her to get talked over on Tucker

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    germy says:

    Her friends in the progressive community?

    In her book she takes credit for suggesting Joe Lieberman as a running mate for Gore.

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    Salty Sam says:

    Ummm, Donna, Alan Colmes would like to have a word with you…

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    Baud says:

    She lost me when she wrote her book. No surprise here. She’s chasing the money.

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    germy says:

    Things at FOX News are a changin'
    Lib Murdoch boys are calling the shots.
    Need a viewer revolt. I stopped watching after they axed Roger Ailes, Bill Shine, Eric Bolling and Bill O'Reilly.
    They now lean center left.
    I watch @newsmax @OANN https://t.co/aHHt06fTVl
    — David A. Clarke, Jr. (@SheriffClarke) March 17, 2019

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Can I say “it’s all about the Benjamins” – or is that no longer allowed?

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    JR says:

    The lesson learned (vis-a-vis Brazile and her fellow travelers) is that the party needed to trim the fat.

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    WereBear says:

    Color me unsurprised, as my assessment of Ms. Brazile’s advocacy was not stellar.

    I also must take issue with her ship-jumping timing. It looks like a lifeboat from her railing. I’m sure she will make more in a month that I do in a year.

    But I have never seen a token who does not suffer from crippling anxiety or some other form of devil’s bargain.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    Yes, just like the Colmes of Colmes and Hannity brought a “progressive voice” to Fox.

    JFC

    Oh, and I’m sure since her motivation is solely to bring a “progressive voice” to Fox, I’m sure that she is doing this pro-bono? Right???

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: it’d odd – but entirely appropriate – to think of Fox News as merely a ‘gateway drug’ to the harder stuff

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    p.a. says:

    She’s irrelevant to progressivism. Now she’s just a puppet for Murdoch presenting her as representative of ‘the left’.
    $$$

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    Brachiator says:

    Donna Brazile has joined Fox News as a contributor.

    It’s a dirty job, but nobody has to do it.

    Things at FOX News are a changin’
    Lib Murdoch boys are calling the shots.
    Need a viewer revolt. I stopped watching after they axed Roger Ailes, Bill Shine, Eric Bolling and Bill O’Reilly.
    They now lean center left.
    I watch @newsmax @OANN https://t.co/aHHt06fTVl
    — David A. Clarke, Jr.

    The right wing lunatic fringe apparently wants to clutch harder to the crazy.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @germy: A couple of months ago I was having my car fixed, and the waiting room in the shop had its TV tuned to OANN (One America News Network.) It was genuinely frightening. There was nobody else there, and they left the remote someplace reachable, so I changed the channel, but man, that station is whack.

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    Renie says:

    I guess no other network would hire her. What a sell-out.

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    germy says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I wonder if another customer had selected that channel. Or was it the management?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    By “with just as much New Orleans hot sauce as folks expect” does she mean with none?

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    Raoul Paste says:

    “my friends in the progressive movement…”
    Who might that be? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

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    kindness says:

    If Donna said that then I will surmise Donna has no real friends. Real friends don’t let friends work at Fox News.

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    MattF says:

    Every con job involves a ‘relationship’ between a con artist and a victim. The best con artists (e.g., Trump) have figured out how to get their victims to stand up, wave their arms and announce ‘I’m a victim’.

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    dmbeaster says:

    Frankly, if FOX wanted to pay me money to punch them in the eye every night on their own show, great. But she will not do that, and her track records suggests she is willing to compromise her marginal liberalism for money. Did she ever explain why she thought it was a good idea to recommend Lieberman to Gore?

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    danielx says:

    OT, but: is it sexist to refer to the president as a whiny little bitch?

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    brantl says:

    @WereBear:

    But I have never seen a token who does not suffer from crippling anxiety or some other form of devil’s bargain.

    What about Clarence Thomas?

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    WereBear says:

    @dmbeaster: A covert agent all this time?

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    Barbara says:

    I don’t watch FoxNews so I will keep my powder dry, but one might say that hiring Donna Brazile is some evidence that the pressure being brought to bear on Roger Ailes’ jewel in the crown is having a certain amount of success. This might be a total phantom and Brazile just a token, but still, keep the pressure up!

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    enplaned says:

    Apparently she needed a job. Or the attention. For some people, not being ignored is the overriding priority.

    She’s already totally blown her credibility. This is more of the same, but she’ll collect some bucks in exchange for the last tattered shreds of her dignity.

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    Keith P. says:

    @Gin & Tonic: “Benjamin’s” – yes
    “Benyamin’s” – no
    “Shekels” – no

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    guachi says:

    Great pick up for Fox. They get a commentator that every viewer can dismiss out of hand. Has to be intentional.

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    comrade scotts agenda of rage says:

    There’s a reason why I’ve called her Donna “Fucking” Brazille for the better part of two decades.

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    WereBear says:

    @brantl: What about Clarence Thomas?

    He is NOT a happy man.

    I saw him years ago in a 60 Minutes profile. He acts like someone under tremendous pressure. In unguarded moments, of course.

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    laura says:

    @danielx: it fits the current incumbent….
    Re Donna Brazile, she should have left it at “I’m thrilled to join fox news.” No one should doubt who someone is when they tell you who they are.
    By their actions, we should Judge them.

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    Mandalay says:

    Brazile always was a vile piece of work. Dumber than Louie Gohmert, an anvil around the neck of the Democratic Party, and a complete fraud.

    Folks here who rant about how Sanders caused Clinton to lose the last election might ask themselves how many votes were lost by Brazile’s “Fuck you – I’m glad I did it!” response after she was caught feeding CNN debate questions to Clinton’s team.

    She surely has enemies galore within the DNC, she was fired from CNN and MSNBC won’t touch her with a pole, so it’s off to Fox News?

    There is no more odious DINO alive than Brazile. Good riddance.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    Hey Brazile, we’re not your friends, and I don’t know if “criticize” is the right word. I think “condemn” is closer.

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    geg6 says:

    Since I was unaware of Ms. Brazile ever espousing anything progressive, I think she overstates how many people will be disappointed, let alone surprised, by this.

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    Things to consider –

    – As mentioned elsewhere, if Fox Propaganda would pay me to jab a nice pointy stick up the collective ass of the viewership on a daily basis, sign me up pronto and let’s get rolling;

    – If her participation drives the lunatic fringe to loonier pastures and hurts ratings, bonus;

    – How much she gains from this devils bargain depends on how much time passes until she either gets explicitly muzzled (“Ms. Brazile, we know it’s a story you want to follow, but you’re doing this other story instead,”) or insults the dumpster fire into a twatterstorm and loses the contract;

    – Let’s see what she does with it: could be interesting, could be a train-wreck, could be a sell-out, won’t know till she tries. She starts taking potshots at the Dem women running for the presidential nomination, it will be clearly obvious.

    One thing is absolutely certain, no fucking way in hell am I watching it first-hand. I don’t care if it’s an interview with Gaia, Mohammed, and the Dalai Lama sitting down for tea, these eyes do not see Fox Propaganda.

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    No One of Consequence says:

    Wow.

    That Juan Williams must be a helluva salesperson…

    Good luck Donna, and save your money. Whatever self-worth you had before you made you most recent goof, will most assuredly be entirely dispersed by the time the Network realizes what it has done.

    Invest in tattoo removal and diabetes care.

    (Upon further consideration, I suppose I should be happy about this, because now no other network will have her on, and thus I should never encounter her again. So, win-win?)

    – NOoC

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    Dog Mom says:

    Good for me – My TV doesn’t get those channels – less risk I have to happen upon her noise.

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    matt says:

    @Barbara: Nope. She helped the Republicans elect Trump last cycle and is seen as reliable enough to work in their propaganda shop is what this means.

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    trollhattan says:

    “I know I’m going to get criticized from my friends in the progressive movement”

    No shit, Sherlock. If you think that innocculates you Donna, you’re sadly mistaken and your appalled “friends” are correct.

    Looking forward to a thousand “Even the Liberal Democrat Donna Brazile…” quotes, and I hope you choke on each bitter paycheck.

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    Chief Oshkosh says:

    @Baud: That late into her career? Hell, she lost me when she “worked” for the Dems. She’s a bit of dim bulb, but just greedy enough to use her two functioning brain cells to default to throwing Dems under the bus while “earnestly attempting to understand the perspective of people across the aisle.” I’m saddened to read on this thread that so many still hold her in any esteem at all.

    At least this latest stupidity should highlight what Brazile is all about. She’s all about Donna Brazile and Donna Brazile’s paycheck.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mandalay:
    She’s not dumber than Gohmert because that’s literally not possible. She’s also glib and quick on her feet on camera, which is utterly un-Gohmertish. Hopefully this removes whatever last shred of legitimacy she’s proffered the last couple of years and the scales are removed from her remaining fans’ eyes. Remains to be seen how Fox packages her–I doubt she’s replacing Colmes at Hannity’s side. I might actually watch that.

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    chopper says:

    she has friends in the progressive movement? when did this happen?!

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    gene108 says:

    A lot of older Dems, like Brazile, came up in a political culture, where “liberal” was literally a dirty word that you never wanted to be associated with and that could end up killing your electoral chances. Kerry moved away from it in 2004. Obama was careful to avoid the label in 2008.

    I remember, when Air America was still a thing, and they came up with the term Progressive for someone, who supported liberal values, but it wasn’t the actual dirty word, so people could use it in public, without shame or killing their political careers.

    Brazile is the old guard, which is witnessing a major rapid shift of their Democratic Party and the American electorate, and I don’t think they really know how to react. Their old conventional wisdom has grown stale. But they can’t let it go.

    She’ll probably be just fine on Fox News, as that way they can say they are “Fair and Balanced”, while she can cling to the old ways of thinking that we shouldn’t do anything that can lead to being labeled as a liberal.

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    Jeffro says:

    Donna B is a complete waste of time.

    So is this, but as long as we’re talking about Fox ‘Gateway Drug’ News, at least you’ll get a chuckle out of the complete lack of self(ok, party) awareness here from a GOP hack: Why Beto O’Rourke is a Real Danger to American and Must Not Be Allowed Near the White House.

    Seriously!

    Launching his presidential campaign in Vanity Fair magazine last week, Robert “Beto” O’Rourke explained his message this way: “Every word was pulled out of me. Like, by some greater force, which was just the people there. Everything that I said, I was, like, watching myself, being like, ‘How am I saying this stuff? Where is this coming from?'”

    Where’s it coming from Beto? Let me put it this way: Never in American politics has there been a more appropriate launchpad for a presidential bid than your profile in Vanity Fair. And as a public service, we’ll explain to America just how vain you are, why you have so little to be vain about and why that’s dangerous for America.

    Vanity is Beto’s defining characteristic. He thinks we want to see him at the dentist. He thinks we want to know about the “funk” he was in after he lost his Senate race last year. He thinks we want to know everything about him — except his actual policies.

    Earlier this year, Beto released a digital ad attacking President Trump on immigration. “It’s not about people coming across the border,” he said. “It’s about visa overstays.”

    OK, asked a reporter from the Washington Post. So what should be done about visa overstays? Beto literally answered, “I don’t know.” Last week, when asked about his health care policy, his answer was basically, I don’t know.

    When asked about taxes — I don’t know.

    Impeaching President Trump? I don’t know.
    [get it libs? Beto is durrh stupid]

    But here’s one thing Beto does know: Borders are not cool and must be taken down, man. Yeah … take it down. And hey, let’s take big money out of politics, too.

    “I want to make sure that, again, we’re not giving [money] away to corporations or special interests,” Beto has said. “That’s what Senator Cruz would do, thanks to the contributions that he’s received from those political action committees. He’s working for the clampdown and the corporations and the special interests. He’s not working for the people of Texas.”

    “Working for the clampdown”? Oh my God … quoting the Clash in a debate! He is trying so hard. But whatever. Look, it doesn’t matter, because Beto is always working for the people. People like his wife Amy’s father, billonaire property developer Bill Sanders.

    So this is the cool new politics the Democrats are swooning over? A spoiled rich kid who wanted to run for daddy’s office, who used daddy-in-law‘s money to get elected and then used his office to screw the poor and serve the rich – his own rich family? Good ol’ Beto, born with a silver skateboard at his feet.

    After his father-in-law helped launch Beto’s political career on the El Paso City Council, Beto repaid the favor by campaigning aggressively for a new property development in the city. It would involve seizing land from low-income Mexican-Americans so his billionaire father-in-law could build a superstore.

    Beto’s mother benefited from her son’s political power, too. She was a shareholder in a web and software company he started after college. Beto’s wife also joined the company in 2005 and ran it from the time he went to Congress in 2013 until she sold it in 2017. That would be fine, except Beto’s political campaigns for the House and Senate have paid his own company more than $125,000 since 2011.

    And the shameless hypocrisy continues. In his Senate campaign, Beto signed a “no fossil fuel money pledge” promising to reject campaign donations of more than $200 from fossil fuel companies and executives. But unbelievably, in the 2018 election cycle, Beto had the second highest total of donations from the oil and gas industry in all of Congress, including dozens directly from oil and gas executives.

    And it gets worse. Pay close attention — the details you’re about to hear have never been reported before.

    In Congress, Beto served on the Armed Services Committee, and despite his bold denunciation of special interest corruption, it turns out he’s up to his neck in it, with over $100,000 in donations from the defense industry between 2016 and 2018.

    About $23,000 of that came from Lockheed Martin, one of the government’s biggest defense contractors, as well as $19,000 from Raytheon, another enormous defense contractor. But a closer look reveals a number of even shadier conflict donors on top of that.

    For example, Beto took $2,000 from Robert Marcus, a lobbyist for Signal Group assigned specifically to represent Arktis Detection Systems, a company that sells radiation detection technology and specifically markets itself for Homeland Security efforts on its website

    Beto also took $1,000 from Christian Kierig, a lobbyist from Kadesh and Associates whose personal clients included Northrop Grumman, another massive defense contractor. And then another $1,000 from another defense lobbyist, Michael Smith from Cornerstone Government Affarirs, who represents Boeing.

    And on and on it goes. Conflict donors coming out of those innocent wide eyes, and yet Beto rails against special interests and money in politics. What a snake!

    But in the end, none of that – the corruption, the nepotism, the hypocrisy — none of that is dangerous. It’s just like most politicians. There’s a very specific reason I think Beto is dangerous, and I want to explain it to you clearly.

    Take it from me as someone who has worked at the highest levels of government and politics. The most important thing about a candidate is not their promises — those hardly ever get delivered anyway. It’s about how they would respond to unpredictable future events. And that’s about their character.

    Whatever else people knew about Donald Trump going into 2016, it was obvious he was strong. He said what he thought, no matter who it offended.

    But Beto O’Rourke says whatever people want to hear. In his Senate campaign, he wanted the people of Texas to think he only cared about them, not higher office. He insisted he didn’t want to run for president and put his family through more stress. What a modern guy! Putting his family first … until his next career move, just a couple of months later, when he announces, with wife Amy at his side, that he’s running for president.

    This guy cannot be trusted. He tells people whatever they want to hear. He is transparently desperate to be liked, to be loved. His campaign song might as well be the Stone Roses’ “I Wanna Be Adored.”

    That’s why he’s dangerous. He’s like a tree without roots; it cannot withstand the slightest pressure. Imagine him with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Beto wouldn’t stand up to China. He would want Xi Jinping to like him. He’d just tell him what he wants to hear.

    But before you dismiss Beto O’Rourke as a ludicrous joke, remember he is deadly serious about this. He’s just told us his favorite book is “The Hero’s Journey.” He truly thinks of himself as a hero, sent to save America. Look what he said in his Vanity Fair interview: “You can probably tell that I want to run. I do. I think I’d be good at it… Man, I’m just born to be in it.”

    Wow. This is not a joke. This is a real danger for America.

    And before the left starts screaming that this is some kind of Fox News hit piece on President Trump’s potential opponents, let me remind you I have consistently praised Democratic presidential candidates, including literally last week, Elizabeth Warren. She at least is a serious person with a track record of fighting for working families.

    Bernie Sanders is a serious person with a lifetime of consistent campaigning on principle. You may disagree with him, but he’s obviously sincere. Kamala Harris is a serious person who as California attorney general tried to tackle tough social problems in a way that most conservatives would support. Even Cory Booker — I know, I know, “Spartacus” … he’s got convictions, too. I believe him when he says he wants to bring the country together. He’s got a track record. As mayor of Newark, N.J., he backed school choice. He is a serious person.

    But Beto — ridiculous, phony show pony Beto — he is not a serious person. He is a vain, narcissistic weirdo. His track record is nepotism and corruption. His principles are me, me. and me again. He must never be allowed anywhere near the White House.

    All right, let’s all pick our jaws up off the floor…

    So y’all heard it here first from Steve Hilton of Fox ‘Gateway Drug’ News: Beto is corrupt, vain, and narcissistic, and he’d be DANGEROUS in the White Ho…LOLOL
    How do these guys DO this, day in and day out?!?

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    joel hanes says:

    @brantl:

    What about Clarence Thomas?

    Crippled by resentment. Oozes from every word of every public utterance.

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    Ryan says:

    FOX News was created to be a safe space JFC!

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    joel hanes says:

    @trollhattan:

    not dumber than Gohmert because that’s literally not possible

    Marsha Blackburn
    Virginia Foxx
    Matt Gaetz
    Dan Patrick
    Sid Miller

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    MattF says:

    @Jeffro:

    Beto is corrupt, vain, and narcissistic, and he’d be DANGEROUS in the White House

    But he’s now on record saying that being corrupt, vain, and narcissistic is not a good thing.

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    Mandalay says:

    @trollhattan:

    She’s also glib and quick on her feet on camera, which is utterly un-Gohmertish.

    I have to respectfully disagree. I find her slow and plodding on camera, and she comes across (to me) as being dumber than pigshit. Her TV interviews after she got caught feeding questions to the Clinton campaign were total train wrecks. She could have said nothing and just held up a cardboard sign saying “I’m obviously a liar and a hypocrite” and it would have been less damaging.

    But what to expect of a corrupt grifter who oozes loser stink from every pore?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:

    It’s a dirty job, but nobody has to do it.

    Very good line.
    Sewer work does pay rather well. The stench is horrendous though. And the rats and turds are really disgusting.

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    joel hanes says:

    @gene108:

    A lot of older Dems, like Brazile, came up in a political culture, where “liberal” was literally a dirty word

    Some of us are even older, and wear “liberal” as the proud claim that it is.
    Almost everything good about America is the result of the slow boring of hard boards by liberals.

    But, if by a “Liberal,” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people – their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties – someone who believes that we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say that I’m a “Liberal.” … It is, I believe, this faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith, for liberalism is not so much a party creed or a set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of Justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves. … I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and its full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
    Our responsibility is not discharged by an announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons, that liberalism is our best and our only hope in the world today.

    https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/liberal-party-nomination-nyc-19600914

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    dww44 says:

    @danielx: Yes, yes it is. He’s more of a whiny pudgy bastard.

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    Who says:

    @Jeffro: Not odd at all. The comments on their first article about the NZ massacre were filled with the same sense of celebration as on the 8chan board the terrorist had announced….minus the ‘chans pretend fig-leaf of fake meta-ironic ‘detachment’.

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    jc says:

    What I’ve learned is, good riddance Donna. Please don’t pretend to your friends at Fox that you speak for Dems. The party is growing and moving on, and you’re old baggage best left behind at the last station.

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    dww44 says:

    @WereBear: You’re right. I’ve never thought about this before, but he really is an unhappy person. Why do you think that is? Is it because he inhabits a world that in many respects supports views that should be anathema to him as a Black person? Certainly a possibility given the reactionary views and activism of his wife.

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    Raoul says:

    As I said the other day on Twitter, what we learned from PBS giving Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson (cough =toffee nosed prat= cough) a show back in 2004 was that when you platform people who traffic in bad faith argument, you increase their reach.

    Brazille is increasing Fox’s reach. And that’s flat out wrong. So yeah, I’m criticizing her. She’s being an enabler.

    Joe Biden has similar, terribly naive (or stupid) ideas. It’s almost like there’s something that happens when your career took off in the B. Clinton triangulation years.

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    Gravenstone says:

    Now playing the role of Alan Colmes … Donna Brazile.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @joel hanes:

    not dumber than Gohmert because that’s literally not possible

    Marsha Blackburn
    Virginia Foxx
    Matt Gaetz
    Dan Patrick
    Sid Miller

    The above may be more ideologically rigid, venal, and corrupt than Gohmert, but they haven’t proven to be dumber.
    Yet.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @germy: Mister Irrelevant says what?

    Although I do look forward to the day the appropriate authorities come calling re. Russia and his ties with the NRA.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Jeffro:

    So is this, but as long as we’re talking about Fox ‘Gateway Drug’ News, at least you’ll get a chuckle out of the complete lack of self(ok, party) awareness here from a GOP hack: Why Beto O’Rourke is a Real Danger to American and Must Not Be Allowed Near the White House.

    Wait. Shouldn’t this be Why Trump is a Real Danger and Must Not Be Allowed Near the White House?

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    Salty Sam says:

    @Jeffro:

    He is a vain, narcissistic weirdo. His track record is nepotism and corruption. His principles are me, me. and me again. He must never be allowed anywhere near the White House.

    Projection, again.

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    Who says:

    @p.a.: Given the fact that fox news already markets her as a boogeyman, her choice as contributor is straight-up meant to inspire more hate and dehumanization of Democrats by fox’s audience while also avoiding doing any favors to Democrats with some ocasional accidental outreach.

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    Baud says:

    @Raoul:

    Yeah, like this guy.

    In a not-so-thinly veiled jab at Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he “would not use the word ‘enemies’ to describe fellow Americans” — not even Republicans.

    “As the most progressive member of the United States Senate, I obviously have strong disagreements with the Republicans on every issue,” Sanders told reporters during a press conference Wednesday, shortly after arriving at New York City’s Penn Station. Later in the day, he’ll appear in his native New York City as a guest on Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ber.....epublicans

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    trollhattan says:

    @Salty Sam:
    And it’s so weird to misspell Donald as Beto continuously.

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    @Baud: Because of Warren’s presence in the primary field he is going to be buried in NH.

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    Mandalay says:

    Since mm made this an “Assholes” thread, Amy Klobuchar surely deserves a mention. The other day she was asked about the allegations of her being a psycho-boss-from-hell to work for, and she came up with this doozy of an argument:

    One can always do better, and that means you want to be sure that you are listening to people if they felt that something was unfair, or they felt bad about something. But I still think that you have to demand good product. When you’re out there on the world stage and dealing with people like Vladimir Putin, yeah, you want someone who’s tough. You want someone that demands the answers and that’s going to get things done, and that’s what I’ve done my whole life.

    Well that’s one way of looking at it. Another interpretation is that any boss who repeatedly treats their staff like shit is probably a piece of shit themselves, and anyone who loses it over a missing plastic lunch fork is very unlikely to win a confrontation with Putin.

    Several flaws are already emerging with our candidates, but hers seems the most serious of all since I don’t think it’s fixable – there are real issues with Klobuchar’s character:
    – She treats her staff like shit on multiple occasions.
    – She doesn’t acknowledge that as a problem, insisting that she is blameless and she demands high standards.
    – When that shit doesn’t fly she back pedals to “we can all do better”, and now her spinmeisters conjure up this absurd twaddle that treating your staff like shit means you’ll own Putin like a boss.

    Klobuchar needs to stop spouting this nonsense and openly acknowledge that she mistreated her staff on multiple occasions. If she can’t bring herself to do that she’s doomed, and deservedly so.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Maybe even Bernie Sanders wanted nothing to do with Donna B given her terrible track record.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Barbara: Except that all the putative Democrats on Fox are either tokens or pushovers there simply to enrage the viewing audience while being talked over or otherwise belittled by the various hosts.

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    rikyrah says:

    I told you that I have no use for anyone Black who goes on Fox News, let alone a Black person that gets a check from them.

    CANCELLED.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Brachiator: Yes – that’s why I posted it. It’s projection all the way down.

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    cokane says:

    it’s one thing for progressive folks to appear on Fox News as a guest or whatever, but taking a regular paycheck just shows where one’s true loyalties reside. Ha, the funny thing is that Brazile got fired from CNN for passing debate questions to the Clinton campaign, as as the Jane Mayer story on Fox showed, that network did the same thing with Trump. So, she’ll fit right in.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Maybe even Bernie Sanders wanted nothing to do with Donna B given her terrible track record.

    Maybe so. Here is Brazile’s track record in all its glory:
    – Worked on the presidential campaign for Jesse Jackson in 1984
    – Worked on the presidential campaign for Walter Mondale–Geraldine Ferraro in 1984
    – Worked on the presidential campaign for Dick Gephardt in 1988
    – Worked on the presidential campaign for Michael Dukakis in 1988
    – Worked on the presidential campaign for Al Gore in 2000

    It’s fashionable to say how everything Trump touches dies, but Brazile was way ahead of him on that.

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    Bill K says:

    @germy: ROTFLMAO. Hey look! It’s Mister All Hat and No Cattle.

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    Mandalay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I told you that I have no use for anyone Black who goes on Fox News

    I’d go further; I have no use for any Democrat who goes on Fox News.

    Rep. Eric Swalwell thinks he’s a cool kid because he does it all the time, but he’s just making himself part of the problem by being a useful idiot. He needs to stop doing it.

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    SenyorDave says:

    Online Dictionary
    Token – A black woman who is giving commentary on the same network that features Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingraham. They seem to cover all the bases of hate, with Carlson’s misogyny, Ingraham’s rabid Islamophobia, and Lumpy’s all-around hatred of anything that pro-Trump. Never thought of Brazille as particularly progressive, but this is money-grubbing at its worst.

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    VeniceRiley says:

    IDK, this is the perfect place for her as it means I will never have to see her. Unless they make her a debate moderator for the general. OMG.

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    WaterGirl says:

    It is all about the benjamins.

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    rikyrah says:

    @brantl:

    What about Clarence Thomas?

    The self-hatred oozes from every pore.

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    Belafon says:

    I suspect she’s about to have less friends in the progressive movement.

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    janesays says:

    @matt: I highly doubt she’s following the Schoen/Caddell track because I can’t possibly ever imagine her shitting on Democrats to the extent that those two asshats do, but I do still think she deserves to be criticized for selling out and helping to give that evil propaganda machine a veneer of legitimacy. A more apt comparison would be to Bob Beckel, James Carville, or Juan Williams (all of whom have worked for Fox News in the past few years).

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    Shalimar says:

    No point in criticizing. i never thought Brazile was an ally before this.

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    janesays says:

    @germy: I’m sure that tweet has absolutely nothing to do with Fox News dropping Sheriff Clarke as a paid contributor last year.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @germy:

    Lib Murdoch boys are calling the shots.

    Exactly. Fox is taking heat finally for being a Republican propaganda outlet. This is a symptom and may end up contributing to a weakening of them in that role.

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    janesays says:

    @Gin & Tonic: OANN actually makes Fox News appear to be moderate. As hard as it is to imagine that.

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    laura says:

    Please release me, let me go….from moderation for linking to the impending passing of Thich Nhah Hahn.

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    @rikyrah:

    I told you that I have no use for anyone Black who goes on Fox News, let alone a Black person that gets a check from them.

    I think we shouldn’t judge people by the color of their skin but by the content of their character, so we should discount anyone of any race, creed, or color who goes on Fox.

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    germy says:

    Here’s one positive I can think of:

    Donna is not thick skinned. And she holds a grudge. It’s inevitable that when she arrives at Fox, the other on-air staff will disrespect her in a million ways. Not just political disagreements, but weird racist shout-out-to-their-racist-base microaggressions (like when Steve Doocy asked that classy black co-host Harris Faulkner who was sharing a recipe if she made Kool-Aid to serve with it). After a few months of that stuff, Donna will be ready to spill all sorts of behind the scenes secrets about the producers and talent. She’s bound to embarrass them all after they piss her off. And they WILL piss her off.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @janesays: Fox isn’t crazy and unhinged enough for him

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mandalay:

    I’d go further; I have no use for any Democrat who goes on Fox News.

    I agree with you completely.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Jeffro:
    Are any of the allegations in that article even true?

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    patrick II says:

    @Brickley Paiste:

    just like the Colmes of Colmes and Hannity brought a “progressive voice” to Fox.

    Comes started as a milquetoast but got more assertive towards the end — so they fired him. A similar thing happened on Bill O’Reilly. Bill had an African-American professor (I’m sorry I don’t remember his name) to discuss issues with for awhile. He was very eloquent in his presentation of liberal views — so he got fired too. Donna is clever, and personally ambitious, so I am sure she won’t step over the line of actually presenting the Democratic or liberal policy views, but do mostly horse-race analysis and keep her new well-paying job.

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    pat says:

    So this is the cool new politics the Democrats are swooning over? A spoiled rich kid who wanted to run for daddy’s office, who used daddy-in-law‘s money to get elected and then used his office to screw the poor and serve the rich – his own rich family? Good ol’ Beto, born with a silver skateboard at his feet.

    After his father-in-law helped launch Beto’s political career on the El Paso City Council, Beto repaid the favor by campaigning aggressively for a new property development in the city. It would involve seizing land from low-income Mexican-Americans so his billionaire father-in-law could build a superstore.

    I read this somewhere else already. Shocking if true.

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    janesays says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    How much she gains from this devils bargain depends on how much time passes until she either gets explicitly muzzled (“Ms. Brazile, we know it’s a story you want to follow, but you’re doing this other story instead,”) or insults the dumpster fire into a twatterstorm and loses the contract

    She’s coming on as a contributor, which means she’ll have absolutely zero say in what stories they cover. She’ll only be there to give nominally leftish commentary on the stories that their anchors are covering.

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    Plato says:

    Donna who?

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    janesays says:

    @joel hanes: What the hell did the ESPN SportsCenter guy ever do to you? ;)

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @germy:

    Here’s one positive I can think of:
    Donna is not thick skinned.

    Yeah, counting on this as a strong possibility.

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    janesays says:

    @trollhattan: She’s likely to serve the same role that James Carville did when he was a contributor there for a little while during the Obama years.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Baud: From your link:

    “I don’t believe like some do that it’s naive to talk to Republicans,” Biden said from the White House Rose Garden Wednesday. “I don’t think we should look at Republicans as our enemies. They are our opposition. They are not our enemies, and for the sake of the country, we have to work together.

    By all means have a poke at Sanders for his comments if they bother you, but if you choose to go down that path then Biden deserves the same treatment for saying the same thing.

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    JustRuss says:

    I’ll predict that we’ll see a lot of “Even the liberal and female Donna Brazile thinks these Democrat candidates are just too extreme and divisive!” Nice work if you can get it.

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    satby says:

    @pat: you read it somewhere else that you could blockquote from, but didn’t want to provide the source link?
    Hmm… how disingenuous.

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    satby says:

    @Mandalay: Biden isn’t a declared candidate at the moment.

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    janesays says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I desperately hope you’re right, because if his campaign is still legitimately viable after Super Tuesday (meaning he’s in the top 4 in delegate total), things are going to get really messy.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    @satby:

    See the linked piece at comment #45.

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    janesays says:

    @satby: Not officially, but… he unintentionally all but announced his candidacy at a fundraiser this weekend.

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    rikyrah says:

    There are really Beto fundraising truthers out here huh. Bernie Bros not handling this well at all. Still a year out

    — Marcus H. Johnson (@marcushjohnson) March 18, 2019

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    germy says:

    @janesays:

    he unintentionally all but announced

    His first in what will be a series of blunders from him this campaign cycle. He’s from the Mr. Magoo school of strategy.

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    satby says:

    @janesays: @germy: but he didn’t announce, bottom line. And I like Joe as a retired person, so I hope he stays out.

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    janesays says:

    @Mike in NC: Pretty certain Sanders actively despises Brazile, given that she was busted giving debate questions to Clinton’s campaign during the 2016 primaries.

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    Mandalay says:

    @satby:

    but he didn’t announce, bottom line

    No; the bottom line is that Biden is obviously considering running, but has not announced his decision yet. Like you, I hope he stays out.

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    catclub says:

    @rikyrah: T

    here are really Beto fundraising truthers out here huh. Bernie Bros not handling this well at all.

    getting the opening day total funds number up may have struck a nerve.

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    rikyrah says:

    We’re getting close to DNC rigging it territory again. I just don’t get the reaction in Sandersworld to Beto fundraising. Why does it matter? https://t.co/i6ogApRJZl

    — Tom Watson (@tomwatson) March 18, 2019

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    Immanentize says:

    OT — Just an interesting development, the Supreme Court granted certiorari in the Lee Boyd Malvo case. He was the kid who was with the DC sniper, John Allen Mohammed. It is a life without parole case, with a federal retroactivity issue. This is my bread and butter, so woot!

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    rikyrah says:

    Scott Dworkin (@funder) Tweeted:
    Trump’s tweeted 5 times in the last 2 hours. He’s bullying GM & UAW labor union, bragged about fake poll numbers, attacked Biden/Dems saying they’re low IQ & attacked the press saying they’re blaming him for the NZ attack. He made it about him. Sick. In other words, it’s Monday. https://twitter.com/funder/status/1107655418933927938?s=17

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    janesays says:

    @satby: He’s running. I wish he weren’t, but I think pretending like it’s not gonna happen at this point is just whistling in the wind.

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    Aleta says:

    @Immanentize: That’s wonderful news. Thank you for what you do and for teaching it.

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    Aleta says:

    I read this at the Daily Beast about Malvo:

    In the years after Malvo was sentenced, the Supreme Court ruled that mandatory life sentences without parole for juveniles are unconstitutional unless the crime demonstrates “irreparable corruption.” The court also ruled that the decision is retroactive. As a result, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond overturned a Virginia Supreme Court ruling, arguing that because a judge had never evaluated Malvo on the “irreparable corruption” standard, he deserves a new hearing. Malvo has also appealed his sentence in Maryland.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Mandalay:

    Folks here who rant about how Sanders caused Clinton to lose the last election might ask themselves how many votes were lost by Brazile’s “Fuck you – I’m glad I did it!” response after she was caught feeding CNN debate questions to Clinton’s team.

    She defected to Bernie’s Revolution back in 2017, sweetie. She’s on YOUR team now.

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    pat says:

    @satby:
    It was a couple of days ago and frankly I don’t remember where it was. But it really made me see him in a different light if it is true.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    Whatever makes you happy…LOL

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    Barbara says:

    @catclub: Beto isn’t my first choice and Sanders probably isn’t even my seventh but if there is one thing to learn from 2016 it’s that fund raising advantage (and this is a pretty transient advantage right now) is not determinative of much of anything, especially this far out. The answer to a boss first day of fund raising isn’t to whine about a conspiracy but to double down on why your guy is better. Not. Ready. For. Prime. Time.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mandalay:

    but if you choose to go down that path then Biden deserves the same treatment for saying the same thing.

    Who disagrees with you about that. I have no time for bullshyt like what Biden said.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Aleta:

    The court also ruled that the decision is retroactive.

    I was one of the attorneys on that case. Retroactivity is my jam!

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    @rikyrah:

    We’re getting close to DNC rigging it territory again. I just don’t get the reaction in Sandersworld to Beto fundraising. Why does it matter?

    A big chunk of Sanders’s appeal to his followers is that he’s able to raise lots of money from the grassroots, which is supposed to prove that he isn’t being corrupted by wicked special interest money. If somebody else can raise more money, it calls that advantage into question. Since the answer must always be that Bernie is the best, anything that calls his fund raising prowess into question must be a trick.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Chyron HR: Also, remember that the Brazile emails were another product of one of the Wikileaks thefts.

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    pat says:

    I honestly do not understand the appeal of that cranky old fart (wilmer, of course). If god forbid he ends up the nominee, I will not be knocking on a single door for him.

    And I am also skeptical of a woman, any woman, being elected president. Although I would love to see a President Harris!! Go Kamala!!

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    Baud says:

    @Mandalay: Yes, Biden is bad on this too.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Jeffro:

    So Faux personality Stve Hilton said, among many other incorrect things, that:

    Bernie Sanders is a serious person with a lifetime of consistent campaigning on principle. You may disagree with him, but he’s obviously sincere.

    There is no person in non-Republican politics in America less sincere than Senator Bernard Sanders (I – Russia). This one claim shows us how stupid and wrong this person is. Plus he lies about O’Roarke’s campaign contributions, which were not from all those companies he lists, but were small donations from employees of those companies or business sectors.

    Grrrr.

    Eta: The “state” Sanders represents in the Senate.

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    Immanentize says:

    Hmmm, Josh Marshall is taking a break from TPM — cryptic post that suggests more than a scheduled vacation.

    BUT! Good news — Jeet Heer will be filling in as Editor.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @WereBear: Someone (I’m trying to remember who) who joined the Nixon Administration in his ill-fated second term, prompted the comment of some wag that it was the first time he’d ever seen a rat climbing onboard a sinking ship. Seems to apply here.

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    germy says:

    Heh heh heh wait what?

    The problem with deciding Presidential elections via popular vote is that candidates would naturally campaign in urban areas with big media markets and their policies would follow suit. Better to have proportional electoral college votes in each state so you campaign everywhere.— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYangVFA) March 17, 2019

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    Fair Economist says:

    @germy:

    Here’s one positive I can think of:

    Donna is not thick skinned. And she holds a grudge. It’s inevitable that when she arrives at Fox, the other on-air staff will disrespect her in a million ways.

    It might be interesting to try to make a “greatest hits” collection of times Fox has tossed gratuitous insults at Brazile. There are a lot!

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    Baud says:

    @germy: Man, he had kind of been getting some good press too. That’s just dumb.

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    janesays says:

    @Chyron HR: I Googled “Donna Brazile + Our Revolution” and got absolutely nothing (same for “Donna Brazile + Bernie’s Revolution”)… I can’t possibly imagine that’s true, given the DNC history and the fact that her politics don’t exactly align with that of democratic socialists.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Mandalay:

    No; the bottom line is that Biden is obviously considering running, but has not announced his decision yet. Like you, I hope he stays out.

    I hope Biden doesn’t get the nomination; but Biden running might further split the low-information vote which could be good for IMO higher quality candidates like Harris and Warren. So, I’m not sure him running is a bad thing.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @janesays: It’s not hard to imagine at all. Try “StinkLair Broadcasting.”

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    trollhattan says:

    @Barbara:
    Absolutely.

    We seem to put everything to the value=price test and it’s just wrong. A bad metric to gauge somebody’s fitness or chances for office.

    In a more prosaic vein, box office receipts=quality of film. Yeah, about that….

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    trollhattan says:

    @J R in WV:

    You may disagree with him, but he’s obviously sincere.

    Uhhh, wut?!?

    “I sincerely am never showing you assholes my tax returns. Now vote for me before I yell at you again.”

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    Baud says:

    Vox

    In his early days as a presidential candidate, Beto O’Rourke has walked away from supporting single-payer Medicare-for-all and into the arms of another health care plan: Medicare for America.

    That plan, introduced last year by Reps. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) and Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), was founded on the previous work of the Center for American Progress and Yale professor Jacob Hacker. It is the Democratic establishment’s alternative to the single-payer approach favored by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and the democratic socialist left.

    Any reporter who uses “establishment” in their writing instantly loses credibility points, but the policy issue is worth noting.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: In all probability no, but when has that ever stopped the Thugs? In an all-too-familiar accusation-is-confession reprise, the Greedy Oligarchy Promoters embody the sneer they mendaciously lobbed at Bill Clinton (& probably every Dem back to FDR): “Never told the truth when a lie would do.”

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    chopper says:

    @Baud:

    “As the most progressive member of the United States Senate*”

    *note: ignores gun votes as well as other stuff.

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    Mary G says:

    @Immanentize: Congratulations! It’s like winning the lottery. Do you think there is any chance the Supremes will do the right thing?

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    Kathleen says:

    @J R in WV: I find it suspicious that Fox and the Mainslime Mediarati keep pimping Slanders. Very telling.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    Scott Dworkin (@funder) Tweeted:
    Trump’s tweeted 5 times in the last 2 hours. He’s bullying GM & UAW labor union, bragged about fake poll numbers, attacked Biden/Dems saying they’re low IQ & attacked the press saying they’re blaming him for the NZ attack. He made it about him. Sick. In other words, it’s Monday.

    All right. I want to see Trump’s tax returns, his college grades, his IQ test and a psychiatric evaluation.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @dww44:

    I think Clarence Thomas showers with a wire brush in the hope that the blackness will come off. I also think he is deeply ashamed of the fact that, as a conservative, he has a visceral hatred of affirmative action and yet he is the most high-profile beneficiary of affirmative action in American history. He knows perfectly well that when he was nominated, there were hundreds of judges more qualified than him and scores of African-American judges more qualified than him. It was only within the niche of ultra-conservative AA judges in 1991 that he rose to the top. And between that and the public revelation of what a perv he was/is, bitterness has eaten him alive.

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    germy says:

    @Fair Economist: Well, I meant the positive is not that they’ll insult her. The positive is that she’ll air their dirty laundry after she gets fed up with them.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Immanentize: nice!

    So what’s it like to win a case? Uh, asking for Bella Q. I totally win all the time.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    It was only within the niche of ultra-conservative AA judges in 1991 that he rose to the top.

    Niche of slave catching bootlickers…

    Yes, there were many more BLACK REPUBLICAN JUDGES who were infinitely more qualified than Unca Clarence.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @germy: I got that you were predicting Brazile would turn on them; I was making a suggestion to speed up the whole process. I should have included something about that in my quote.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    I hope that it’s not health issues :(

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: How’d did your son enjoy his Houston vacay?

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Mandalay:

    Agreed on all counts. Literally the number one thing I look for in a Dem candidate now is whether they understand that the GOP is the enemy and should be treated as such.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @chopper: You know he can’t vote against the NRA, Wayne LaPierre put him in office.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Baud: How much does a soul go for these days?

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    Mo MacArbie says:

    Can someone help me out here? The only reporting about the Zombie Debate Question thing I read at the time mentioned one remark about “there will be someone asking about the water” before the debate in Flint, MI. This seems about as revelatory as saying there will be a question about coal in West Virginia or corn in Iowa. Can anyone point to an actual second question that was shared that would justify the use of the plural? Thanks.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Baud: Actually Sanders is not the most progressive member, according to VoteView. He is tied for fourth with Tammy Baldwin, behind Warren and Harris, and Booker. Warren is the actual most progressive.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @janesays:

    That was such idiocy on her part. She gave the HRC campaign a question about Flint MI … when the debate was held in Flint MI. If Hillary’s adviser’s hadn’t prepped her about the Flint water situation, they deserved to be fired for incompetence.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Wait, so after sandbagging Hillary (and so many others before her), Brazile went to Sanders and hence to Faux News? That’s actually great — I love it when all the people I hate are on the same side.

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    Death Panel Truck says:

    @Salty Sam:

    Alan Colmes would like to have a word with you…

    We can’t dig him up just for that.

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    notoriousJRT says:

    @satby: Oh, but its shocking if true!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Immanentize: You’re gonna have to tell us non-legal-eagles a little bit more than that in order for us to understand what’s going on. :-)

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Mo MacArbie: Supposedly she told them before one other debate that there would be a question about Hillary’s capital punishment stance. They responded “We were pretty sure that would happen so we already have a response, thank you.”

    So it was doubly stupid: Brazile opened herself AND Hillary to charges of “rigging” but didn’t actually do anything to give Hillary an advantage.

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    Gravenstone says:

    Ooohhh, Bernie is apparently taking it personally that Beto out-raised him on day one. Fuck off and die, you old wannabe. Go back to being the no account, no accomplishments finger wagging back bencher that you’ve been your entire career, and let the adults talk among themselves.

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    Barbara says:

    @satby:
    @notoriousJRT:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2019/03/15/beto-orourke-drew-donations-pro-gop-political-establishment/

    It’s not a direct quote but it seems to be a knowledgeable run down of O’Rourke’s career. Anyway, you can evaluate the source.

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    Baud says:

    @Gravenstone: He’s not taking it personally. He’s just grifting off of it.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: Someone (on one of the two BJ threads today) linked to the details of his response. Beto’s answer in long form made perfect sense to me.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Barbara: Obama got a lot of donations from republicans in 2007/2008 and there was a Republicans for Obama group — isn’t getting donations a sign that a candidate might have some appeal to rational people on the other side?

    It feels like we are starting to fall for all the stupid press that’s out there.

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    janesays says:

    @Citizen Alan: I haven’t actually seen any evidence that Brazile has ever worked for the Sanders camp or his offshoot organization. I tried Googling it and got nothing. There are plenty of things about which to criticize both Sanders and Brazile, but I’ve seen no evidence that the two have ever had any professional relationship whatsoever.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Gravenstone: I dislike Sanders, but I’ll give him this one. The “bad news” quote is pretty clearly within the context of ‘this is bad news for our campaign and someone outraised more than us, so please donate more’. Fairly standard for any campaign – I’ve gotten some similar (but not directly naming competitors) e-mails from the Kamala campaign as well, and I remember these from Hillary’s 2016 run,

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: @WaterGirl: Okay, I found the link:

    https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1107053548204904448

    It’s not very long, and it’s worth reading because it’s a transcript of what Beto said, not someone’s interpretation of what he said.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I thought this was interesting from Pete Buttigieg’s twitter:

    Remarkable alignment from conservative and progressive vets on this: the time has come for Congress to re-assert its war powers.

    In response to:

    Huge news! Conservative @ConcernedVets and progressive @VoteVets are on opposite sides of almost every policy issue, but today, we are announcing in the @nytimes that we are combining our power, to repeal the 2001 #AUMF and end #ForeverWars.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: Thanks.

    @WaterGirl: Good.

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    brantl says:

    @germy: So, who is David A. Clarke, junior putz, anyway?

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    WaterGirl says:

    Nice takedown of Donna Brazille taking the job at FOX and of her justification for taking the job. It’s BooMan, but don’t let that stop you. There have been several posts lately where he is starting to sound like the old BooMan I followed for a long time.

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/03/18/donna-brazile-will-not-save-the-world-at-fox-news/

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    oldgold says:

    @Plato:

    Phil

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I like what he says. And I love Rosa De Lauro!

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    Immanentize says:

    @JPL: He slept a LOT! he enjoyed the vacation fine. :-)
    He also got his first hat — a Stetson Skyline

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    Immanentize says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Winning is good. Even not losing is good.

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    oldgold says:

    @Plato:
    Phil

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    brantl says:

    @WereBear: I think that’s because no one recognizes his “genius”, even him

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    J R in WV says:

    @trollhattan:

    Can you read, or not! Here’s the quote you cherry-picked in context, clearly typed by a Republican RWNJ:

    So Faux personality Steve Hilton said, among many other incorrect things, that:

    Bernie Sanders is a serious person with a lifetime of consistent campaigning on principle. You may disagree with him, but he’s obviously sincere.

    There is no person in non-Republican politics in America less sincere than Senator Bernard Sanders (I – Russia).

    I said “There is no person in non-Republican politics in America less sincere than Senator Bernard Sanders (I – Russia).”

    Again, can you read? Including punctuation marks?

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    hueyplong says:

    Arguably, Brazille can do less damage at FoxNews than she’d do working on a Democrat’s campaign, where some unsuspecting, potential Democratic voters might accidentally take seriously something she says.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Mary G: @WaterGirl:
    I’ve been running around a bit today (first day back) I will try to write up a summary of the case for later (I am not representing Mr. Malvo, but I will probably be co-writing an amicus in the case)

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    @Mary G:

    Do you think there is any chance the Supremes will do the right thing?

    I wouldn’t bet on it. I would guess it’s more likely they’ll use it as an excuse to overturn the precedent and say it’s fine to give children life without parole or even death.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @janesays: My understanding is that she never worked for Our Revolution, but DID pretty clearly start thinking that was where the money was. She wrote her book and did a bunch of interviews talking about the “rigging” of the primary but had to eventually make clear that she was talking about things like…. scheduling the debates on a Sunday.

    Basically, she decided to hit the Democrats out of a chance of getting money from people who really hated Hillary, like the Bros and FoxNews. Up until that point I largely thought of her as fine but somewhat incompetent.

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    Aaron says:

    Brazille has joined fox as a turncoat democrat and a token.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Roger Moore: That is even more cynical than I am! They could use it to take away a piece of Kennedy’s progressive juvie jurisprudence, but the death penalty is, I am certain, permanently off the table for kids.

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    trollhattan says:

    @J R in WV:
    Chill, dude, I’m quoting and replying to your quoted material.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @zhena gogolia: Coming from IL, I am familiar with Jan S. but not Rosa.

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    J R in WV says:

    @brantl:

    “who is David A. Clarke, junior putz, anyway?”

    I think he was the former High Sheriff of Milwaukee County, responsible nearly solely for the jail, as the Milwaukee City Police were in charge of most of the rest of the county. Black Republican with funny badges and stickers on his jacket, cowboy hat, odd in every way.

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    @Immanentize:
    I don’t know that they’ll reinstate capital punishment for juveniles, but I expect them to try rolling back life without parole.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @trollhattan: For what it’s worth, I read your comment in the same way that JR in WV did. One of my favorite quotes:

    “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.”
    – George Bernard Shaw

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    jl says:

    Not sure how big a deal it is. If she makes a difference her spots will be buried and she’ll be shown out the door asap. If she just plays the game, she’ll end up with the profile and influence of the other Fox News house liberals. Who are they? Mark Shields(?) and some other guy no one ever listens to. We’ll see.

    Edit: Shields is the PBS stiff who gargles contentless duos on air with Brooks. So, she’ll have even a lower profile than Shields.

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    I’d say this is sad, only it’s too predictable for that.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    What bothers me most about Beto is his “bromance” with Rep. Will Hurd (R-TX 23). Hurd retained his seat last November over the Democratic challenger Gina Ortiz Jones by 926 votes out of over 200,000 cast – & IIRC has already said that he’d vote for Trump over Beto.

    Don’t care if he’s your best buddy, Beto – Democrats don’t leave a seat in Rethuglican hands when even a minimal effort might have flipped it. Not when the fucking nation is at stake!

    Of course if he wins the nomination I’d support him – but I’d need to hear a pretty goddamned persuasive explanation for this before I’d toss him a cent or a vote in the primaries.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @WaterGirl:

    She’s one of those rock-solid, hard-working Democrats who don’t get a lot of publicity but always vote the right way.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: This one isn’t a dealbreaker for me. While I think it was stupid, I also don’t *really* hold it against him for not directly campaigning against someone who’s a friend of yours. I don’t think Beto ever did it with the expectation that Hurd would vote for a Democrat.

    That said, it was dumb and I’m having a hard time maintaining friendships with dedicated Trumpists myself. But it’s not disqualifying. :/

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    jl says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Biden and Beto. Not sure why Hurd attracts that kind of attention. That kind of thing is a symptom of a centrist syndrome that will cause problems for both, IMHO.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Roger Moore: Right now, juveniles who murder can still get LWOP, after an appropriate hearing.

    The case is mostly about non-LWOP cases and what hearing, if any, is required. Or it is about what constitutes a de facto life sentence. Or it is about habeas corpus rules. Or it is about retroactivity and what constitutes “new rules.”.

    The state is arguing it is about the last thing, Malvo is arguing it should be about the first.

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    catclub says:

    @germy:

    Better to have proportional electoral college votes in each state so you campaign everywhere.— Andrew Yang

    huh? what exactly is proportional electoral votes? I guess it is not the present system, which is just, electoral college votes.
    Maybe by congressional district? Of course, when the congressional districts in many states are pretty badly gerrymandered,
    that does not seem optimal. Doug Jones won the popular vote in Alabama, but he lost 6 of seven congressional districts.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @MisterForkbeard: What was that old E. M. Forster line? “If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country.”

    Um, no.

    If any of you had to choose between betraying your country and betraying your friend, I hope you would have the decency to remove yourself from public life rather than betray your country.

    And make no mistake – leaving any seat in the hands of the GOP when they have consistently demonstrated their willingness – their eagerness – to sell this country down the river for the benefit of their paymasters is prima facie betrayal of it.

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    NotMax says:

    @catclub

    what exactly is proportional electoral votes?

    What Maine and Nebraska have.

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    rikyrah says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I miss that BooMan :(

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @catclub: Yeah, Yang’s on my shitlist too for that remarkably stupid comment. Especially considering we suffer under a tinpot Hitler-wannabe because the votes of 80,000 Trumpanzees in 3 “crucial” states outweighed over 3,000,000 HRC voters nationwide. Just outrageously stupid!

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    Salty Sam says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    What bothers me most about Beto is his “bromance” with Rep. Will Hurd (R-TX 23). Hurd retained his seat last November over the Democratic challenger Gina Ortiz Jones by 926 votes out of over 200,000 cast – & IIRC has already said that he’d vote for Trump over Beto.

    Don’t care if he’s your best buddy, Beto – Democrats don’t leave a seat in Rethuglican hands when even a minimal effort might have flipped it. Not when the fucking nation is at stake!

    Of course if he wins the nomination I’d support him – but I’d need to hear a pretty goddamned persuasive explanation for this before I’d toss him a cent or a vote in the primaries.

    Agree with the “don’t leave a seat in R hands”, and I don’t understand Beto’s withholding support for Ortiz-Jones. OTOH, Hurd is one of the few R’s who has a clear take on The Wall, and the non-necessity of it. I’ve dealt with cognitive dissonance listening to him expound on that subject, and agreeing with him, and thinking, “Wait, this is a REPUG?!”

    But yeah, at the end of the day, that IS what he is, and no matter how much of a buddy he is, Beto could have done a lot better there. In fact, Hurd clearly came out and said he would vote against Beto for any R. So much for bromance…

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    KithKanan says:

    @NotMax: It could mean assign by congressional district like ME and NE, or it could mean “assign share of the electoral college votes for a state proportional to the share of the popular vote in that state.”

    The latter is at least less subject to partisan gerrymandering than the former, but still suffers from inherent bias toward smaller, more rural states (though I suspect the only people in favor of it consider that a good thing and one of what they see as the benefits of the electoral college over the popular vote).

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    jl says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I don’t know whether outrageously stupid or not thought out.
    I think the threshold for most of the proposed state laws for allocating proportional electoral votes is less than 100 percent, so a few of the small states that crave attention might be hold outs while the rest of the country does the sensible thing. Small states have a bonus due to the two Senate votes added to Congressional districts, so for some, that might be enough for whatever extra attention they receive.

    I think the electoral college is so bad, need to take all avenues to effectively get rid of it. The current effort at interstate compact laws in many states (that as of now would account for far less than the 270 votes needed to elect) split each state’s vote by the national popular vote. Maybe people should introduce the same idea but with each state splitting their electoral vote by Congressional district, as Main does. After threshold of states is reached, that would face fewer Constitutional challenges.

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    sharl says:

    Another link for anyone seeking background on Beto, followed by a blockquote of the final two paragraphs:
    Beto Versus The Barrio: The rock-star Democrat Beto O’Rourke, a candidate for president, once supported the bulldozing of a low-income neighborhood in his hometown of El Paso—a project spearheaded by his father-in-law.

    [Beto’s father-in-law Bill] Sanders and other El Paso businessmen dropped money into a PAC called the Campaign for Primary Accountability, which blasted Reyes with negative ads, and right-wing donors from around Texas followed suit. O’Rourke won the primary with the help of Republican crossover voters—without them, Reyes would have beat him. El Paso Republican and business owner Eileen Karlsruher told a local publication that she and others she knew voted for O’Rourke because his record had demonstrated that he was a “middle-of-the-road conservative Democrat” who had outspoken stands on a few key non-pocketbook issues that were easy to ignore. He was easy to swallow.

    In truth, O’Rourke’s story bears a passing resemblance to that of the greatest Texas Democrat. Lyndon Johnson grew up under the thumb of a politician father, and married into a rich family. His father-in-law helped bankroll his first campaign, and in office he carefully tended to a small set of powerful Texas donors to ensure his elevation. He was a crook and a snake and wildly ambitious, but when he finally got power he unveiled his most tightly held secret—a piercing kind of moral clarity. He did things no one could have expected. O’Rourke is not Johnson, of course, for a hundred reasons—it’s just hard to say what he is.

    The author of this piece is a Texas political reporter, Christopher Hooks. I’ve followed him on twitter long enough to have an idea of his personal politics (he doesn’t take many pains to hide his views) as well as his views on Beto, who he covered during the 2018 Senate campaign to unseat Ted Cruz. Hooks thinks Beto made a major contribution to partially reviving Texas Democrats’ prospects in local and state races, and he kinda hoped that Beto would stick around in Texas to challenge John Cornyn in 2020. Hooks doesn’t know what to make of Beto’s run for President.

    I have no strong feelings myself at the time. I like Liz Warren, but I’ll vote for whomever the Dems nominate. This is a contribution for folks looking for background material, and not an endorsement for Beto’s El Paso City Council history being a critical issue for a Presidential campaign.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    Gonna be a doozy of a court case should that come into effect as to whether it butts up against Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution (relevant portions bolded).

    No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @MisterForkbeard:

    To be fair, one of my biggest and early pet peeves about Obama was his unwillingness to campaign against his former mentor Joe Lieberman when he ran independent against Lamont, a decision that objectively resulted in the ACA not being as good as it could have been.

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    LivinginExile says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: Rolling Stone had a good interview with Will Hurd about the wall. I was shock.

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    jl says:

    @NotMax:Seems like it depends on how ‘compact’ is defined. Is a state law that says something will go into effect at the moment so many electoral votes are governed by same or similar laws a compact?

    But, now that you reminded me of the Constitutional issue, looks like measures to split vote by national popular vote or by Congressional district results would face the same issue. So, I am corrected and sobered on that point. Thanks.

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    matt says:

    I just shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Sure, I’m going to be criticized by my friends in the progressive movement.

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    hervevillechaizelounge says:

    Am late as always, but just chiming in to remind folks that her book pushed both the Bernie-was-robbed bullshit AND the Seth Rich wikileaks conspiracy.

    Fuck her.

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    Barbara says:

    @WaterGirl: I was just linking to an article because someone noted that the apparently negative information was provided without context or attribution, which is a silly complaint given how easy it is to find stuff. So I looked for it and found the context.

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    Procopius says:

    Fox pumped up bullshit that hurt Democrats and hid anything that could hurt Trump.

    Funny, I thought that was MSNBC. Or CNN. “It’s bad for the country but it’s great for CBS.” OK, OK, Fox was just as bad, and I never watch Fox anyway, but what I learned in 2016 is that the five corporations who [sic] own the media think Trump is good for them.
    NB: I use the pronoun for people because “corporations are people, my friend.”

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    Michael says:

    @joel hanes: Jim Jordan

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    Michael says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    “I think Clarence Thomas showers with a wire brush in the hope that the blackness will come off. I also think he is deeply ashamed of the fact that, as a conservative, he has a visceral hatred of affirmative action and yet he is the most high-profile beneficiary of affirmative action in American history. He knows perfectly well that when he was nominated, there were hundreds of judges more qualified than him and scores of African-American judges more qualified than him. It was only within the niche of ultra-conservative AA judges in 1991 that he rose to the top. And between that and the public revelation of what a perv he was/is, bitterness has eaten him alive.”

    Clarence Thomas also knew that everything Anita Hill said was true, and that for example the black guy who said things against her in the hearing was batshit. I don’t know if he or some Bush I speechwriter or lawyer came up with “high tech lynching”, but Thomas said it and knew what a cynical construction of faux outrage it was.

    I remember that a lot of time in the Anita Hill hearing Thomas was moving or sort of wiggling from slightly side to side. This was because he was constantly wiggling a foot or leg because he was nervous about being exposed for all the lying he was doing.

    He’s a twisted human being.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Michael:

    Jim Jordan

    good one

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