Hit the Road, Jackass

In a rare moment of courage, twelve Senators removed their heads from Trump’s ass long enough to tell him to piss off:

The Senate on Thursday easily voted to overturn President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency at the southwestern border, delivering a bipartisan rebuke to what lawmakers in both parties deemed executive overreach by a president determined to build his border wall over Congress’s objections.

The 59-41 vote on the House-passed measures set up the first veto of Mr. Trump’s presidency. It was not overwhelming enough to override Mr. Trump’s promised veto, but Congress has now voted to block a presidential emergency declaration for the first time — and on one of the core promises that animated Mr. Trump’s political rise, the vow to build a wall between the United States and Mexico.

In an attempt to limit defections ahead of the vote, Mr. Trump had sought to frame the vote publicly as not only a declaration of support for his border security policies but a sign of personal loyalty.

“It’s pure and simple: it’s a vote for border security, it’s a vote for no crime,” Mr. Trump told reporters ahead of the vote, which he declared on Twitter to be “a vote for Nancy Pelosi, Crime and the Open Border Democrats!”

When someone smarter than me breaks down the vote, we’ll see how many Republicans voted this way because it was the right thing to do and how many did so because they are running scared in 2020.






180 replies
  1. 1
    meander says:

    Cameron Joseph at Talking Points Memo provides this analysis:

    Notably, nearly every single Senate Republican facing a tough reelection battle in 2020 chose to back Trump. That includes Tillis, who flip-flopped at the last minute to stand with Trump; as well as Sens. Cory Gardner (R-CO) and Martha McSally (R-AZ), both of whom are expected to face tough reelection fights.

    Sens. David Perdue (R-GA), Joni Ernst (R-IA) and John Cornyn (R-TX), who might face tough elections of their own, also stood with Trump. Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) was the only vulnerable 2020 Republican to break with Trump on the vote.

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    Mr. Trump had sought to frame the vote publicly as not only a declaration of support for his border security policies but a sign of personal loyalty.

    how many Republicans voted this way because it was the right thing to do and how many did so because they are running scared in 2020.

    I honestly believe several of them voted to tell him to fuck off. Very little of congress likes him, and sending Pence to negotiate probably made things worse. They’ll defend his right to be president to the death, but they hate him personally.

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    So which Rs exhibited a semblance of a backbone?

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    rk says:

    I’m not smarter than you but I’ll break it down for you. None of them voted for it because it was the right thing to do. They’re all thick heads and would not know what the right thing was even it it smacked them on the side of the head.

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    Baud says:

    @meander: I guess they figure their base will care about this more than ours will.

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    dmsilev says:

    @meander: Trump is both vindictive enough and stupid enough to go after Republican Senators who cross him, and the GOP base loves Trump. He easily could torpedo the reelection bid of a Cory Gardner or similar by badmouthing them to the base. Hence their support for the fake-emergency.

    Of course, Gardner etc. are now going to get slammed by sane people for supporting the unpopular and unneeded fake-emergency. So sad.

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    Mike in NC says:

    “A sign of personal loyalty” is a common requirement among mob bosses, which is all that Fat Bastard is.

    I hope he spends the weekend at Mar-A-Shithole, raging so hard against those disloyal Republicans that he promises revenge and ends up with an ulcer. Will the media call it “GOP in disarray”? Nah.

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    Baud says:

    Josh Marshall

    Gardner’s decision illustrates a core principle of Trump Republicanism. Even in cases where a vote is clearly against public opinion at home (state or district) and even in cases where it is clearly politically damaging, they almost always come around to Trump.

    Why? Simple. Because even if they’re on the wrong side of a majority of their constituents, Trump will go to war over the disloyalty and kill the member of Congress with Republican partisans. Without Republican partisans no Republican can win anywhere.

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    dmsilev says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Via TPM,

    The dozen Republicans who broke with Trump: Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Blunt, Collins, Mike Lee (R-UT), Jerry Moran (R-KS), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Rand Paul (R-KY), Rob Portman (R-OH), Mitt Romney (R-UT), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Pat Toomey (R-PA), and Roger Wicker (R-MS).

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    zzyzx says:

    Something that is being massively under reported in the national emergency issue is that the only reason Trump gets a veto is due to the Supreme Court’s ruling in INS v. Chadha. The original intent of the law was that Congress could overrule the declaration with a majority.

    So if Trump gets shot down in court and complains about judicial overreach, remember that if we had gone by intent, this would be over today.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @schrodingers_cat: The list is at the TPM link.

    My Senator Rob Portman is on it. Guess he figured this was a good time to shore up his fake reputation as a deep thinking moderate.

    I’ll have to call and compliment him.

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    Keith P. says:

    It will matter in court since Congress has voted twice on two matters showing it does not want to fund a border wall.

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    @meander:
    Shorter: Republicans facing reelection are more afraid of being primaried by Trumpites than of the general election.

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    gratuitous says:

    I am unaware of any rule that prevents someone from changing their vote should Trump veto this as he has promised (and we all know what Donald Trump’s promises are worth). It would be quite easy and defensible for any number of Republicans to say, “I voted against the resolution to overturn the emergency declaration the first time around, but because of the president’s defiance of the will of the American people by his veto, I am now voting in favor of the resolution and overriding the president’s veto.”

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    trollhattan says:

    Adorable, Susan Collins yet again donning her spine costume. Did she have it dry-cleaned after Kavanaugh?

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    Cermet says:

    The concept of morality and a rethug senator are mutually exclusive. So, none did it for other than protecting their “for sale” ass’s..

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    trollhattan says:

    Speaking of slow-moving train wrecks.

    MPs have voted by 412 to 202 for Prime Minister Theresa May to ask the EU for a delay to Brexit.

    It means the UK may not now leave on 29 March as previously planned. Mrs May says Brexit could be delayed by three months, to 30 June, if MPs back her withdrawal deal in a vote next week. If they reject her deal again then she says she will seek a longer extension – but any delay has to be agreed by the 27 other EU member states.

    A spokesman for the European Commission said extending Article 50, the mechanism taking the UK out of the EU on 29 March, would need the “unanimous agreement” of all states. And it would be for the leaders of those states “to consider such a request, giving priority to the need to ensure the functioning of the EU institutions and taking into account the reasons for and duration of a possible extension”.

    Kills me that unlike us with Trump they can actually craft a do-over and perhaps avoid the whole mess, but, Principles and all, don’t you know?

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    Gardner is toast. Trump is at less than 39% favorability here in Colorado with independent voters lower than that. Bye. Bye.

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    Logan Brown says:

    Tillis is more afraid of a primary than getting routed in the general election. Couldn’t happen to a nice fascist.

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    Brachiator says:

    “It’s pure and simple: it’s a vote for border security, it’s a vote for no crime,”

    No crime. Is Trump going to build a Wall around Staten Island?

    A reputed New York crime boss was shot and killed outside a home Wednesday night.

    Francesco Cali, 53, was found with multiple gunshot wounds to the torso in the New York borough of Staten Island, the NYPD said.

    A law enforcement official confirmed to CNN that the victim was a high-ranking member of the Gambino organized crime family and is believed to be the acting boss.

    Cali was reputed to be involved in the drug trade that Trump seems to think only originates in Mexico.

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    lurker dean says:

    that f-ing fraud ben sasse voted with trump. and then issued a statement calling himself a constitutional conservative. what an asshole.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @TaMara (HFG): from your mouth to God’s ear.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    Lamar Alexander (Tennessee) is retiring in 2020, rather than running for re-election.

    Susan Collins (Maine) is up for re-election in 2020, if she chooses to run.

    I think those were the only 2 of the 12 whose terms expire in 2020.

    If so, the other 10 Republican Senators must have had other reasons for voting with the Democrats on this issue.

    Shall we speculate?

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    Brachiator says:

    @trollhattan:

    Adorable, Susan Collins yet again donning her spine costume.

    Cruel, but funny!

    @Mike in NC:

    “A sign of personal loyalty” is a common requirement among mob bosses, which is all that Fat Bastard is.

    Given current events, funny that you should mention mob bosses.

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    Raoul says:

    Ben Sasse is a sinkhole of stupid.

    “What Trump did was unconstitutional but I’m voting to support Trump because Nancy is mean.” Ben is a child. A petulant fool with zero values or core.

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    Baud says:

    So this will be Trump’s first veto, followed soon by the veto of the Yemen resolution.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Mike in NC:

    I hope he spends the weekend at Mar-A-Shithole, raging so hard against those disloyal Republicans that he promises revenge and ends up with an ulcer stroking out.

    Aim high!

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    Raoul says:

    Oh, and Cory Gardner is fucking toast. An absolute twatwaffle.

    ETA: at this point, I think he’s just trying to save himself from running a reelection campaign with zero money. And he probably thinks bucking Trump makes his wingnut welfare chances worse than faking having a backbone would.

    I hope to g-d he doesn’t stand a chance in 2020. I’ll be donating to help sweep him out!

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    geg6 says:

    @meander:

    I think Cory Gardner is a dead man walking. This vote didn’t help, but he was in big trouble long before this.

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    geg6 says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Toomey did the same. Fuck him. I’m not calling, unless it’s to tell him that this vote was for nothing because we’re coming for him regardless.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @gratuitous: Good luck finding Republicans who actually believe that, let alone any who would put it into practice. Veto override probably goes down on nearly party line votes.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @rk: this. Not complicated.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @trollhattan: They also have a no-confidence vote. Must be nice.

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    hueyplong says:

    Balloon Juice and both Utah senators in lockstep.

    That doesn’t happen every day.

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    donnah says:

    @trollhattan:

    Well, the starch only lasts a little while.

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    JPL says:

    Wouldn’t it be something if Hickenlooper ran for Senate rather than feed his ego.

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    JPL says:

    @TaMara (HFG): Was the bomb cyclone as bad as predicted.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL: From what I’ve heard, there are Dems in the Senate race who are pretty solid.

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    trollhattan says:

    Uh oh, Trump is gonna go gunnin’ for a Norwegian schoolgirl who’s trying to steal his Precious.

    Greta Thunberg, the Swedish schoolgirl who has inspired an international movement to fight climate change, has been nominated as a candidate to receive this year’s Nobel Peace Prize.

    She was nominated by three Norwegian MPs. If she were to win, she would be the youngest recipient since Pakistan’s Malala Yousafzai, who was 17 when she received the prize. Ms Thunberg tweeted she was “honoured” to receive the nomination:

    Watch out, Greta!

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    Duane says:

    @Ohio Mom: Sen. Blunt of Missouri voted against Trump’s stupidity. I’ve never called him in support until today. For once the old hack did something right.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Phew.

    Trump thinks this is a win because he can veto a bill and then build his f.king vanity wall.

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    tobie says:

    @trollhattan: I guess Trump will retract his invitation for people from “Normay” to immigrate to the US.

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    Raoul says:

    @JPL: Keystone resort picked up 9″, which in any other year would be a great day of powder. But I was snowboarding at Breck in over-the-knee freshies the weekend of March 2-3 (four feet fell in four days), so at least in the high country, this bombo was kinda ‘so – so’. Can’t speak for Denver or the plains, which I think got more.

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    trollhattan says:

    @tobie:
    Heh. “I don’t want any more Normegians coming here, they’re not raking their forests at all. SAD!”

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    Insane day at work today. Am going mad.
    Worst.
    PI DAY.
    Ever.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @JPL: Sherrod Brown is a true statesman. I don’t mind someone running for President if they aren’t risking an existing senate seat, but it will be good if the ones who are in the senate now put protection of the senate above personal ambition.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @PaulWartenberg: Do you own a pizzeria?

    :)

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    Marcopolo says:

    Well, even though I generally despise him I did call Sen Blunt’s office to thank him for standing up for the Constitution & separation of power.

    Not sure if I want to make it a habit, however.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @PaulWartenberg: Last year I broke my ankle on pie day. I am just hoping to get through today without incident!

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    rikyrah says:

    Hallmark cuts ties with Lori Loughlin after she was charged in college admissions cheating scandal for paying $500,000 to get her daughters into USC
    By EMILY CRANE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
    PUBLISHED: 16:11 EDT, 14 March 2019 | UPDATED: 16:11 EDT, 14 March 2019

    The Hallmark Channel has cut ties with actress Lori Loughlin after she was charged in the college bribery scandal.

    Hallmark said it was ‘saddened’ by the allegations involving the actress and revealed on Thursday the network would no longer be working with her.

    It has also stopped development of all productions involving Loughlin.

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    frosty says:

    @dmsilev: Toomey! Maybe my phone call (or two) worked!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Marcopolo: We appreciate your sacrifice for the greater good.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    I am utterly shocked that Roger Wicker (MS) voted with the Dems. Utterly shocked.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @Duane: Reading the comments backwards after my post. So Blunt got at least two supportive calls!

    I’m betting a hella lot more MAGGATs have called in complaining, though. That thought brings a smile.

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    janesays says:

    @meander: I would argue that the vulnerable senators up for re-election who voted against the resolution largely did so because they’re running scared. Republican senators greatest fear in the age of Trump is having him back a primary challenge against them.

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    jl says:

    Personal loyalty? OK, fine, please proceed master deal maker and terrific top statesperson Trump. As as a Dem, I love that sales pitch for 2020. More of that.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Marcopolo: I’d make it a habit if he voted the right way more often.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Not surprised that Tom Tillis chickened out. Utterly worthless scumbag always toes the GOP line. Hope NC voters fire his ass next year.

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    Ryan says:

    I think only two were up for re-election

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    frosty says:

    @geg6: On Toomey: Second that.

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    jl says:

    Maybe Trump appeal to personal loyalty will remind 8 or so GOP Senators about what happens when you go the wrong way up one way streets and get them to vote to over ride.

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    bemused says:

    @rikyrah:

    That was fast. I thought it might take a day or two more.

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    Jeffg166 says:

    They are running scared.

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    MattF says:

    OT. Reinhold Aman has died. The photo of the deceased at the link reminded me of our very own JC.

    Aman was an academic– the world’s expert on ‘strong’ language. As the photo suggests, he was not a nice man.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    In an attempt to limit defections ahead of the vote, Mr. Trump had sought to frame the vote publicly as not only a declaration of support for his border security policies but a sign of personal loyalty.

    Like a true Mafia Don.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeffg166:

    My spouse and I agree that Republicans are driven by basically two emotions, terror and rage.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @jl: Pretty sure he meant fealty but he didn’t know how to spell it.

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    bemused says:

    @bemused:

    Oh wait, forgot overwhelming greed.

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    TS (the original) says:

    Is it correct that EVERY democrat voted for the resolution? The media loves to praise any GOPer who once in a lifetime does the right thing – so I would like to thank the democrats for holding firm for democracy.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @MattF: Thanks – easy to find the GOP votes online – have to do the maths to count the dems.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    [Reprinted from earlier thread:]
    The Brexit debate has given me this Scottish insult, which I can put to good use.

    A shiver has run down the front bench of the Labour Party, looking for a spine to crawl up – and it has not found one.

    Ian Blackford, leader of the Scottish National Party in Parliament

    A shiver has run through the Republicans in Congress
    — looking for a spine to crawl up —
    and it has not found one.

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    Hoodie says:

    Clearly, this was all about avoiding being primaried by Trump loyalists. Tillis was threatened by some local GOPers for saying he would vote against Trump, so he flip flopped. Maybe the ones voting against Trump were trying to create some kind of cover for those up in 2020, so they could lie about it during the general election, i.e., “many republicans voted against Trump’s unconstitutional power grab! (neglects to say he wasn’t one of them).” They probably think Americans are that stupid or cynical. Too many are.

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    germy says:

    @bemused:

    My spouse and I agree that Republicans are driven by basically two emotions, terror and rage.

    Don’t forget greed.

    And bigotry.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Ohio Mom: As usual, no one staffing the phones in any of Portman’s offices. I left a message complimenting this rare display of ethics and good sense at the DC office and will try the Ohio offices tomorrow.

    I really do try to be fair.

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    germy says:

    Trump to Breitbart on how the left plays tough: "I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point and then it would be very bad, very bad."— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 14, 2019

    Banana: Meet Republic.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @geg6: Well, it’s not just being fair. I plan to first remind his interns that their boss tried to kill me by voting No on the ACA (two out of three times), but he is due the faint praise of being right this one time.

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    sjs says:

    The interesting thing is that they could have filibustered it but nobody bothered.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @germy: He must have been reading this headline at WaPo

    Maduro’s muscle: Politically backed motorcycle gangs known as ‘colectivos’ are the enforcers for Venezuela’s authoritarian leader.

    “Now we can’t even protest, because they’ll shoot at us,” said Delia Arellano, 72, one of the demonstrators.

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    germy says:

    @TS (the original):

    WaPo (like others) has nothing on Trump’s call-out to police, military and biker gangs to get “tough" on left when the time comes… but it does have this story on the home page: pic.twitter.com/fvl6EEb3Dj— Dan Froomkin (@froomkin) March 14, 2019

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: Wow. I have the police, the military and the scary bikers. You know, the people with guns and weapons who can enforce what I want.

    Shorter Trump: “Nice democracy you got there, would be a shame if something happened to it.”

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    Steeplejack says:

    @rikyrah:

    Wow, that’s going to leave a mark. Loughlin has been cranking out the Garage Sale Mysteries movies like crazy—eight or 10 in the last couple of years, three or four in pre-production right now.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @TS (the original):

    He must have been reading this headline at WaPo

    Maduro’s muscle: Politically backed motorcycle gangs known as ‘colectivos’ are the enforcers for Venezuela’s authoritarian leader

    Oh my god, you are so right. It’s even worse than I thought, and I thought it was pretty bad.

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    Mary G says:

    Surprised that Marco Rubio found a teaspoon of testosterone and voted yes. He must be betting that Twitler is going to crash and burn. It can’t be due to principle.

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    germy says:

    Imagining the response if Obama suggested police and military were loyal to him personally and not the Constitution.

    — Schooley (@Rschooley) March 14, 2019

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: I actually liked those, and I liked her husband and her daughter in the show. Way less lame than a lot of Hallmark movies.

    (p.s. check your email.)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @trollhattan: Adorable, Susan Collins yet again donning her spine costume. Did she have it dry-cleaned after Kavanaugh?

    Mitch knows he can count on her vote when it matters. I used to think she was principled and weak. Since Kavanaugh, I think she’s a phony moderate, a right-wing ideologue and every bit the power-hungry cynic McConnell is.

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    Humdog says:

    @Steeplejack: And Laughlin costars in When Calls the Heart. She is not a very good actress, but she had a lot going on on that channel.

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    germy says:

    This is the second time Trump has suggested that the military, the police and Bikers for Trump could be mobilized to go after opponents of his. He also mentioned those three at a midterm rally in November while talking about Antifa. https://t.co/TQgFWeqjDz— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 14, 2019

    Remember he suggested his supporters knew what to do with their 2A rights if Hillary won. His allies said he was joking. These continuous threatening statements show he's not joking.— Frances (@pennyblab) March 14, 2019

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    VOR says:

    @dmsilev:

    Gardner etc. are now going to get slammed by sane people for supporting the unpopular and unneeded fake-emergency

    Sane people tend not to vote Republican in the first place.

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    trollhattan says:

    @BC in Illinois:
    Can we run a shiv through the Republicans in Congress?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @MattF:
    The website looks fascinating. I have bookmarked it. Thank you.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Steeplejack: Oh boy. Garage Sale Mystery 16 was filming (though noticeably missing Steve Bacic), and 17, 18, and 19 were in pre-production.

    I think she should resign herself to voiceovers for a while.

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    rikyrah says:

    Sephora ENDS its partnership with Lori Loughlin’s daughter Olivia Jade after customers threatened to BOYCOTT stores in the wake of her parents being charged in college bribery scandal

    By CHARLIE LANKSTON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

    PUBLISHED: 14:24 EDT, 14 March 2019 | UPDATED: 16:47 EDT, 14 March 2019
    Sephora told DailyMail.com on Thursday that it has cut ties with 19-year-old social media star Olivia Jade ‘effective immediately’

    Olivia Jade is widely known as a social media and YouTube influencer who has done paid partnerships with brands like Sephora and Amazon

    She also released her own Sephora palette last year, however the product was pulled from the website on Thursday as the brand released its statement

    On Tuesday, Olivia’s parents Lori, 54, and Mossimo Giannulli, 55, were charged with paying $500,000 in bribes to get Olivia into USC

    Online critics quickly began insisting that Sephora end the partnership and stops selling the product immediately
    Australian fashion brand Princess Polly also removed Olivia’s dedicated page from its website on Thursday, while Hallmark cut ties with her mother Lori
    Since the news of the bribery scandal broke, Olivia has faced brutal criticism on her social media accounts and her YouTube channel

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    trollhattan says:

    @rikyrah:
    “Thanks a lot, moooooom!”

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    Brachiator says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Wow, that’s going to leave a mark. Loughlin has been cranking out the Garage Sale Mysteries movies like crazy—eight or 10 in the last couple of years, three or four in pre-production right now.

    Apparently, she has been very important to Hallmark:

    The reference was, of course, to Loughlin’s role in the sitcom Full House and its Netflix reboot, Fuller House. Though Aunt Becky is likely Loughlin’s most iconic (or at least enduring) television role, since 2013, she has established herself as the face of the Hallmark Channel, appealing to the network’s core demographic of older women and, increasingly, 18- to 49-year-old women viewers as well.

    Loughlin, who stars on the Hallmark Channel series When Calls the Heart, as well as the recurring TV movies Garage Sale Mysteries, embodies the network’s feel-good brand, exuding the warm charm, accessibility, and homey comfort that has made the Hallmark Channel a major ratings player. (A recent report noted that the network outperformed other major cable networks, including ESPN and Nickelodeon.)

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    germy says:

    @Brachiator: I wonder if William Macy is experiencing any fallout from this?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: Holy shit!

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    germy says:

    @WaterGirl: A “personal matter” they’re calling it.

    A Me Too situation, maybe? I’m just guessing here.

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    Barbara says:

    @Brachiator: I just can’t imagine what she and her husband were thinking. By all accounts her daughters don’t even care about school and there is a better than even chance they would have skated into a reasonably good school just based on their own efforts and the fact that they could pay full freight. The most elite schools have need blind admissions, but there are lots and lots of good schools that still take ability to pay into account because, basically, they don’t have a choice. I am also less than convinced the daughters had no idea what their parents were up to.

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    @germy:

    I have the tough people

    It is central to the Right’s self-image to believe they’re the tough guys and the Left are wimps. In real life Trump has 63 million cowards, including police who wet their pants and empty their clips if a black man looks at them funny.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @germy: Me Too was might first thought, also.

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    rikyrah says:

    👏👏😂😂

    Kasie DC (@KasieDC) Tweeted:
    .@Kasie: “Do you think that the experience [@BetoORourke] has here in the House is a strong enough foundation to jump to the Oval Office?”

    @SpeakerPelosi: “And you ask me that when we have a President of the United States who never – you know – please. Yes, the answer is yes.” https://t.co/YLDK1FPYSF https://twitter.com/KasieDC/status/1106235143021346816?s=17

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    On Tuesday, Olivia’s parents Lori, 54, and Mossimo Giannulli, 55, were charged with paying $500,000 in bribes to get Olivia into USC

    BTW, the daughter apparently was going to USC more for the social status than to get an education. Her relationship to the school seemed to involve mutual exploitation. How many students get to do Spring Break on a yacht?

    As Lori Loughlin returned to Los Angeles in the wake of her college admissions bribery scandal this week, her daughter Olivia Jade was reportedly on board a luxury yacht.

    On Tuesday evening, while Loughlin was taking an overnight flight from Canada to L.A. to surrender to authorities, 19-year-old Olivia Jade was on billionaire Rick Caruso’s yacht in the Bahamas, according to TMZ….

    Rick, the CEO of Caruso — “one of the largest and most admired privately held real estate companies in the United States,” according to his biographythis link opens in a new tab — developed The Grove shopping center in Los Angeles.

    His biography also states that he “was elected as Chair of the Board of Trustees and Executive Committee of the University of Southern California,” where Olivia Jade currently attends university in L.A.

    BTW: owning a yacht separates millionaires, who can’t afford them, from billionaires:

    According to L.A. Timesthis link opens in a new tab, Rick is the owner of Invictus. The vessel is a 216-foot yacht that sleeps up to 12 guests in 9 rooms and is estimated to charter for approximately $616,500 per week (plus expenses) in the summer and $525,000 per week (plus expenses) in the winter.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @germy:

    Of course not. He’s shameless.

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    Barbara says:

    @Brachiator:

    How many students get to do Spring Break on a yacht?

    At USC or in general? Because probably quite a few at USC.

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    The Gray Adder says:

    @meander: So in other words, if their seat is good past 2020, they felt more free to vote their consciences, making the reasonable guess that Trump would no longer be President in 2022 or 2024.

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    @JPL: Longmont, as usual, had its own weather system – lots of wind, blowing snow and about 2″ accumulation. But nothing like the rest of the state. It’s almost all gone here.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Brachiator: I though mob etiquette demands head shots only in their killings. Or is even the mob gone to outsourcing for hits in these fallen times?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @germy:

    Wow, that’s going to leave a mark. For the (few?) people who know the SPLC, Morris Dees is practically synonymous with the SPLC.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @rikyrah:

    BEAUTIFUL

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    Brachiator says:

    @Barbara:

    I just can’t imagine what she and her husband were thinking. By all accounts her daughters don’t even care about school and there is a better than even chance they would have skated into a reasonably good school just based on their own efforts and the fact that they could pay full freight.

    It’s all about status, connections, and bragging rights. America doesn’t have an official aristocracy, so some people who have achieved prominence or success need to create markers that indicate their elite status. So, it’s not about getting their kids into any college. And it wouldn’t be enough that their kids would still be celebrities and hang out with the cool kids at whatever school they went to. They have to get into the schools that matter, that have a name or a special cachet.

    Also, some kids didn’t know what was going on, but others must have known. If someone is taking your SAT test for you, do you really believe that you are getting into college on your own merits?

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    Jay says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Or remembering Putin’s Bikers

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    rikyrah says:

    chris evans (@notcapnamerica) Tweeted:
    NPR: Do you think there should be an end to the death penalty?
    Kamala Harris: Yes, I do.

    NPR: An end?
    Kamala: Yes.

    NPR: No one would be executed?
    Kamala: Correct.

    NPR: For any crime?
    Kamala: Correct.

    NPR: Not even treason?
    Kamala: No.

    NPR: There’s nothing?
    Kamala: No. https://t.co/QurTBDZ0at https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1106295660301742082?s=17

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack: I was about to type: “This is a shock — Morris Dees is synonymous with the Southern Poverty Law Center.” when I saw your comment.

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    rikyrah says:

    Where👏did👏the👏money👏go👏

    AP Politics (@AP_Politics) Tweeted:
    APNewsBreak: The Sanders Institute, a think tank founded by Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders’ wife and son, has stopped accepting donations and plans to suspend operations by the end of May. https://t.co/ODQvDVLMrB https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1106303269113073665?s=17

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    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah: We seem to be living within the proverbial curse: May you live in interesting times.

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    Brachiator says:

    @germy:

    I wonder if William Macy is experiencing any fallout from this?

    He is well liked in the acting community. Apparently, he has not been arrested. Folks seem to be bending over backwards to try to give him some cover.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @rikyrah: Yep.

    Where are Wilmer’s tax returns? And where are Jane’s?

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    @bemused:

    My spouse and I agree that Republicans are driven by basically two emotions, terror and rage.

    You left out greed. I see you addressed that already.

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    bemused says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I added that soon after, overwhelming greed.
    They are scared of everything, angry all the time and want to steal all of our money.

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    MattF says:

    @rikyrah: Tsk. The unfairness of it all..

    Billy the goat-fucker
    An old man shuffles into a bar at sundown with his eyes low and his head down the bartender says “ay, billy! whats the matter. you seem troubled” Billy responds with “you see this bar we’re standing in. I built it with me own hands! but they don’t call me the bar builder, no!
    and the bridge everyone uses to cross the river to get to the market, i built that that with me own hands too! but do the call me the bridge builder? no, they do not.
    and the wall that protects our city, i built that with me own hands too! and they don’t call me the wall builder neither.
    BUT YOU FUCK ONE GOAT!…

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    Brachiator says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I though mob etiquette demands head shots only in their killings. Or is even the mob gone to outsourcing for hits in these fallen times?

    Good help is hard to find. Probably got mobsters busy trying to bribe someone to get their kids into the top colleges. And guys who used to work for the mob are all at home playing video games and trying to get into social media.

    Or they are trying to get White House fellowships.

    @germy:

    This is the second time Trump has suggested that the military, the police and Bikers for Trump could be mobilized to go after opponents of his.

    Interesting how Trump sees no difference between law enforcement entities and criminal enforcers.

    I still can’t believe that this dope is president.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @rikyrah:

    Since the news of the bribery scandal broke, Olivia has faced brutal criticism on her social media accounts and her YouTube channel

    The family dynamics will be interesting. If the child did not know about this – did she at least wonder how she got into USC?

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    TS (the original) says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Holy shit!

    Could say its been one of those days – but with trump in the WH every day is one of those days

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    APNewsBreak: The Sanders Institute, a think tank founded by Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders’ wife and son, has stopped accepting donations and plans to suspend operations by the end of May.

    A Sanders “think tank.” That’s gotta be about as fraudulent as one of Trump’s foundations.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Why can’t she give a straight answer?

    @rikyrah: Very interesting.

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    Huh. Well, I’ve been wondering what a “social media influencer” is, since many yoots, esp. wealthy yoots, aspire to that. Now I know. It’s what we used to call a “shill”.

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    debbie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    No backbone at all. They vote, secure in the thought it will never be enacted.

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    @rikyrah:

    Where👏did👏the👏money👏go👏

    If only somebody would show us his tax returns, we might find out.

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    debbie says:

    @rikyrah:

    I believe that was fucking Steve Inskeep. God forfend there should be an interview where he doesn’t get to speak the most words.

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    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Apparently they ran him over with their car too. A made man! Nobody’s got respect
    for nothin’ no more.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @rikyrah:

    “And when is this free weekend?”
    “It’s THIS WEEKEND.”

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    paulM says:

    @rikyrah:

    Yes! Love Pelosi.

    Beto has more experience in Congress than Obama did when he ran for president, and he was in a border district to boot which means he has at least a little experience with foreign policy. Unlike Sarah Palin he probably really can see a foreign country from his house!

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    Fair Economist says:

    @germy: Speculating, but Morris Dees was running SPLC like a personality cult. I donated to them and got this hagiographic biography book in the mail. That kind of put me off further support although I appreciate what they do.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @MattF: He had an interesting career.

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    @John Revolta:
    I don’t think social media influencers are exactly the same as shills. A shill is supposed to disguise themselves as an ordinary, uninterested bystander who is won over by the con man’s salesmanship. Social media influencers are actually pretty open about taking money or other rewards from the companies whose goods and services they’re pushing.

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    debbie says:

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Shall we speculate?

    Portman’s office is sick and tired of my emails demanding he grow a pair and do the right thing?

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    Mike-SMO says:

    @Brachiator: We are part of a federal system and mob bosses are municipal or state officials. Most local juridictions use elections, but Staten Island is New York where other means of “recall” are used.

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    rikyrah says:

    rolandsmartin (@rolandsmartin) Tweeted:
    RT @MrsCMitch: @rolandsmartin: “#BetoORourke loss by 10 points to Ted Cruuz. #AndrewGillum and #StaceyAbrams loss by less than 1 points in their governor races. Where’s the media hype and enthusiasm for those two? Why #Beto?”
    #BetoForPresident #Beto2020
    #RolandMartinUnfiltered https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/status/1106320992035635206?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    👏👏👏

    HawaiiDelilah™ (@HawaiiDelilah) Tweeted:
    🔥🔥🔥 VIA MSNBC: Chairman Cummings has requested from ex Fox reporter Falzone all docs related to women alleging extramarital affairs with the president, payments by or on behalf of the president to silence them, as it relates to potential campaign finance crimes. 🔥🔥🔥 https://twitter.com/HawaiiDelilah/status/1106320736434610176?s=17

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    Where’s the media hype and enthusiasm for those two? Why #Beto?”

    I don’t give two shits about who the media likes.

    It’s up to the Democratic Party and the voters.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @TS (the original):
    Doesn’t a student have to sign her application, and affirm the accuracy of the information provided? (I’m genuinely not sure how this works; it’s been many moons since I applied to enrol anywhere.) If her signature is indeed on the application, it will be hard for her to claim innocence.

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    paulM says:

    @rikyrah:

    Ten points? That’s not even in the same zip code as the actual margin.

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    rikyrah says:

    @rikyrah:
    AND…….

    HawaiiDelilah™ (@HawaiiDelilah) Tweeted:
    Falzone’s attorney, Nancy Erika Smith, says that an official govt investigation trumps the NDA preventing her client from compliance, thus they will submit the document. No subpoena needed. https://t.co/8uRazKz5Rl https://twitter.com/HawaiiDelilah/status/1106321891659141120?s=17

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    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: Beto was always bigger nationally than the other two, so I’m not sure what point is being made. I want Stacey to run for Senate and have been clear about that. btw I got invites for Kamala events on the 24th and as tempting as that is since I have limited funds, I’m holding off.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @John Revolta:
    Yes, but it’s the modern kind of shill.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah: Roland Martin should be honest – Beto lost to Cruz by 2.6 points. Not 10 points. He’s undermining his own point by lying about the loss.

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    JPL says:

    @WaterGirl: Thanks. I took the post at its word.

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl: Are you allowed to be honest on Twitter?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I don’t think social media influencers are exactly the same as shills. A shill is supposed to disguise themselves as an ordinary, uninterested bystander who is won over by the con man’s salesmanship. Social media influencers are actually pretty open about taking money or other rewards from the companies whose goods and services they’re pushing.

    The game is the same. Both are trying to separate suckers from their money.

    I was watching some tech show and the hosts were sadly amoral in their love of all things tech. They had little problem with the idea of teens, not even old enough to sign contracts, working as social media influencers, getting money to push other kids into buying games, toys, clothes. The hosts simply refused to make any distinction or draw any line at what a fully informed adult might do, and what children should be allowed to do. Because, tech is cool.

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    @Roger Moore: Well, I woulda called that a “plant” or a “stooge” but potatoe potahtoe. Let’s be generous and say “spokesmodel”.
    Oh Hell, let’s don’t They’re shillin’.

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    Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog says:

    @debbie:

    Or seems to know anything.

    He’s the exemplar of a style of interviewing that must be called something like ‘studied mediocrity’ – a vague, befuddled ignorance on any topic. Appalling interviewer but very NPR.

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    debbie says:

    @Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog:

    Even worse is his restating every answer, as if the audience wasn’t capable of understanding it. And then cutting them off because time’s run out. Gah!

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    paulM says:

    @rikyrah:

    Also I like Abrams just fine but six years in Congress is substantially more experience than six years in a State Legislature.

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    bemused says:

    @John Revolta:

    Not as bad as zombie phone calls on our landline. At least I can avoid internet social media influencers. I don’t take well to people I’ve never heard of trying to influence me on anything.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud:

    Are you allowed to be honest on Twitter?

    I believe so. But don’t take my word for it because I don’t actually have a twitter account – I just read a few twitter accounts in my web browser: Adam Schiff, Beto, John Cole, and Preet.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    um….

    ATLANTA (AP) — Former Vice President Joe Biden and Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams met privately Thursday in Washington, bringing together two starkly different faces of their party as they both weigh their political futures.
    Biden, 76, who served as President Barack Obama’s closest adviser, is on the cusp of deciding whether he’ll make his third run for the presidency. Abrams, 45, narrowly lost the Georgia governor’s race last November. She is being heavily recruited to run for the Senate in 2020, but she’s not ruled out making a presidential bid herself. She also could be considered as a vice presidential running mate.
    A person close to Abrams confirmed the meeting, saying it was set at Biden’s request. The person wasn’t authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    the inevitable and baseless speculation this prompts is… fascinating

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    paulM says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    There’s also a rumor going around that Biden contacted Beto and basically asked if he wanted to be his running mate ahead of time, but both camps deny it. Wonder if that’s what is going on here? Or maybe, more conventionally, he’s just trying to line up some big name endorsements.

    Biden is very popular among black voters right now, believe it or not.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah: These stories make me want to bang my head against the wall. What the fuck is wrong with these cops? Besides being chicken-shit racists, that is.

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    paulM says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Well, probably roid rage for starters!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @paulM:

    There’s also a rumor going around that Biden contacted him

    Who is “him”?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @paulM: There’s also a rumor going around that Biden contacted him and basically asked if he wanted to be his running mate ahead of time

    contacted… whom?

    Biden is very popular among black voters right now, believe it or not.

    Easy to believe. Biden is far more popular with everybody outside twitter, but he also hasn’t gotten very rough treatment outside of twitter. Again, I like him, but he worries me, and I’m so befuddled by the current field I’m on the sidelines for now.

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    paulM says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Beto, sorry I thought I referenced him previously in that comment. Its been fixed.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @paulM: Thanks for clarifying! That’s an interesting story.

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    paulM says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Easy to believe. Biden is far more popular with everybody outside twitter, but he also hasn’t gotten very rough treatment outside of twitter. Again, I like him, but he worries me, and I’m so befuddled by the current field I’m on the sidelines for now.

    @WaterGirl:

    Could be the opposite, too–maybe they both want Biden’s endorsement?

    Biden is at his best running for president when the spotlight isn’t on him. His age and some of his policies from back in the day are big stumbling blocks for me though.

    My ideal candidate would combine Warren’s policy chops and positions with Beto’s age and charisma…of course I’d like a pet unicorn too. Sigh…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @paulM: personally I think (and we might as well talk about how we’re gonna spend our lottery winnings at this point, but…) Biden/Abrams is a much stronger ticket. I like O’Rourke well enough, but I think that earnest and youthful quirkiness plays better in a Senate race than for the big chair

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    paulM says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think the nominee is a white male they’re going to have to have a woman or POC (or both) as their VP, so I agree. You can’t have an all-white male ticket now.

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    @WaterGirl:

    What the fuck is wrong with these cops? Besides being chicken-shit racists, that is.

    I think a key part of it is that they have a dangerously authoritarian idea of what police are supposed to be. They see themselves as authority figures first and foremost, and that maintaining their air of authority is critical to doing their job. If they’re ever questioned, disrespected, or made to look foolish, it diminishes their authority and thus their ability to do their job. Thus anyone who fails to defer to them and follow their every command- even if it’s something impossible or unreasonable, like demanding a frightened person stop being frightened- is a threat and must be treated that way. I’m sure racism contributes to who they see as failing to respect their authority, but it’s the idea that they are the authority and everyone has to kowtow to them that’s the bigger problem.

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    TriassicSands says:

    …and on one of the core promises that animated Mr. Trump’s political rise, the vow to build a wall between the United States and Mexico.

    This was not “one of the core promises that animated Mr. Trump’s political rise.” The “core promise” was to build a wall AND to have Mexico pay for it. The two are inseparable, but reporters keep separating them. It is sloppy reporting and misrepresents Trump’s campaign promise.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Roger Moore: So a different one-syllable word.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: I agree with what you wrote, except that racism must have a hell of a lot to do with it since black people are routinely treated a thousand times worse than white people. White people get the benefit of the doubt a dozen times over, but if you’re black, you get only the negative benefit of the doubt, and your life is at risk. The authoritarian cops are the worst possible choice.

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    Jay says:

    @Roger Moore:

    They also go through hundreds of hours of what I call “Escalation Training”, based in Militarized Policing, out of Israel that trains them to treat the Public as if they are rebellious citizens of an Occupied Nation.

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    @WaterGirl:
    It’s probably wrong to say that “cops vs. the world” is a bigger problem than racism. They are overlapping problems that each make the other worse. “Cops vs. the world” means the police see any sign of disrespect as a threat, while racism means they have a much lower threshold for what a minority has to do to constitute disrespect.

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    catclub says:

    @bemused: what about surprise! and a fanatical dedication to the Trump?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: Agreed!

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