Imagine a 2011 Obama interview in which he mused about the New Black Panthers supporting him in case things “got to a certain point.” https://t.co/9B0tcSdZpv
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) March 14, 2019
I think the real “news” here is that the Wingnut Welfare Wurlitzer is apparently trying to make Paul Ryan the new Nancy Pelosi — an all-purpose excuse for their collective failures:
For those asking for more context: Breitbart says the quote came as Trump was arguing that the left plays politics in a more "vicious" manner than his side, even though "the tough people" are on his side. Here's the link. https://t.co/7LPLaHqBZJ
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 14, 2019
(… because there were only so many futile attempts to subpoena the clouds in Jerome Corsi’s head that even Paul Ryan was willing to undertake… )
I think it's more of a hope than a threat. Trump's supporters aren't as bad & violent & criminal as he hopes they are. They peacefully watched President Obama inaugurated twice. They'll do that again for the next Democrat. Let's not help him fan his imaginary flame.
— Lawrence O'Donnell (@Lawrence) March 14, 2019
Yeah, that’s the problem: America hasn’t slid anywhere near down the economic greasy pole as Russia… and even in his younger fitter days, Donald was nowhere near as physically intimidating as Vladimir:
Ok… going to meet bikers. Brass knuckles. Leather jackets. Boots. Knives. Hell on two wheels. Need to look tough.
Trump: *does duckface*
— ?Comrade the American? (@USA_Comrade) March 14, 2019
Barring some kind of extinction-level socioeconomic event, the only terroristic support Trump can muster will come from sad solitary incels and his own neglected adult sons…
Don Jr is a human 4chan thread pic.twitter.com/0xQ76lfZ2k
— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) March 14, 2019
Can’t stop a would-be dictator from dreaming out loud, though:
Smart analysis from @ThePlumLineGS on the gee-I’d-hate-to-see-anything-bad-happen construction Trump used in his new warning to political opponents. We’ve seen him use it before: https://t.co/60KrURevLu pic.twitter.com/vd9QN6b1B1
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 14, 2019
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
#EconomicAnxiety
Baud
The 2018 elections effectively neutered Trump’s rhetoric. We just need to finish the job of taking the country back next year. And then keeping it.
khead
This is so much bullshit. Same bunch of folks on my FB feed who threaten “to come whoop my ass” and then delete me for “being so mean to them”.
feebog
I just can’t get the image of Artie Johnson tipping over on his tricycle out of my mind.
Josie
@feebog:
I had forgotten about that, but it is so perfect.
lamh36
Best thing I saw today…Nancy Pelosi laughing at Kasie Hunt’s dumb azz question bout Beto O’Rourke’s experience
Anyone else felt that …”what stupid fuq’n question” tone in Nancy’s answer…LOL
hells littlest angel
His enemies can’t get him for his witness tampering and threats of violence, so they’re trying to get him for tax crimes — just like poor Al Capone!
joel hanes
Herr Trump : Who will rid me of these turbulent Democrats?
plausible deniability.
aliasofwestgate
@lamh36: OMG. That reply is just perfect. XD Thank you, Nancy.
zhena gogolia
@feebog:
Haha, but it’s Arte!
lamh36
zhena gogolia
@zhena gogolia:
And he’s still alive, I’m happy to learn!
joel hanes
@feebog:
re: Trump nudge-nudge-wink-wink fomenting violent reprisal
Verrry interesting.
But schtupid.
Chip Daniels
I recall seeing a documentary on the Hell’s Angels, and someone remarked abut how the Angels flunked every test they were ever given.
They couldn’t or wouldn’t be a trusted ally and disciplined force working for any ideology or group, because of fucking course how could they?
They like being undisciplined and rowdy and telling anyone who objects to eff themselves. They aren’t going to meekly listen to orders from Hair Furor and fall into line.
joel hanes
@Chip Daniels:
Hell’s Angels
They worked out so well as the security force at Altamont
lamh36
I love that the kids were like…”OMG MICHELLE OBAMA!!!” Then were like… “Oh…there’s Conan”…LOL
Frankensteinbeck
@joel hanes:
It confuses the Hell out of him that the answer is cricket chirping. The people who have the guts won’t. He’s a chickenshit president for a chickenshit movement. Thank goodness.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: I’m not on the Beto Express, but one wonders if Kasie Hunt could tell you, off the top of her head, what Abraham Lincoln’s pre-presidential resume looked like?
also, Buchanan, Nixon and Bush père had great resumes
lamh36
Can’t say that I blame them!
Dave
@khead: It’s one of the more frustrating things about Trump. He is the President; that rhetoric is very dangerous and we shouldn’t accept it. At the same time he’s an inept coward. It isn’t going to happen (not logically impossible just very unlikely) so how do we react? Do we take the rhetoric the same way we would from a more typical occupant of the Oval Officer or do we mostly role our eyes and make jerk-off motions while not denying this is how you end up with more stochastic terrorism. Neither seems proper and the boot his ass out the door response that would be appropriate isn’t in the cards. So we are stuck in this really strange space of how to respond to this crap.
lamh36
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Right…neither am I…I loved that Nancy never misses a chance to tell it like it is with Trump.
I like that she doesn’t fake like she respects his azz at all!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
true, I have some problems with her statement on impeachment, but I love that she folded in “he’s not worth it”
FelonyGovt
@Dave: You’re right. You don’t know whether to laugh at the idea that these lazy MAGATs might actually get off their sofas, or be really appalled that an American President is talking like a tinpot dictator and implicitly threatening violence.
Baud
@Dave: The only response is to steel our resolve.
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
A great resume is not a guarantee of presidential success, nor is a thin one a guarantee of failure, but that’s how the smart money bets. A good resume- where good requires the person with the resume have done a good job in their previous post, not just have held it- at least serves as a reasonable promise the person has the technical competence to do the job. FWIW, I don’t think lack of executive competence was the flaw of any of Buchanan, Nixon, or Bush Sr.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@FelonyGovt: you mock trump’s cavalry at your peril!
Jeffro
@Dave: Ideally, the Democratic Party Super Avatar would put Donnie in a headlock and give a short speech:
“…this (smack) is what it looks like (smack) when a demagogue gets hold of an utterly unprincipled party (smack) and gets its leaders (LOL) to go along with all kinds of nonsense (smack) in the service of their scams and undemocratic schemes (double-smack)…”
(Avatar throws DJT over the top rope out of the ring)
After that, who knows? I guess the ref DQ’s the Dems on account of not respecting ‘both sides’? I dunno…
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: And, I’m sure, McConnell’s Leadership PAC too.
Dave
@Baud: That I get. He plays with extremely dangerous forces but it’s hard to treat it as seriously as it should be because he is such a dumpster fire. He’s so lacking in just about every human virtue that he’s less dangerous than he would otherwise be. This entire thing is like twisted morality play.
It’s important to remember that he isn’t the root of the problem just a particularly distasteful and painfully embarrassing symptom of the deeper rot. It’s the entire thing is absurdity; not the most absurd thing I’ve encountered but pretty high up there.
Adam L Silverman
He’s not really calling for the Bikers for Trump. He’s calling for Putin’s bikers to back him up.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article157640179.html
Much more at the link. The question has to be asked: how many of his Little Green Men has Putin been able to infiltrate into the US?
lamh36
lamh36
Wapiti
I’d offer that likely 90%+ of the active duty military understand that political violence will result a court martial. Of the 10% who don’t understand that, some tiny fraction might do violence, but they will still be subject to courts martial, and if convicted, likely a bad conduct discharge and possibly hard prison time.
I expect there will be letters from the Chief of Staff of the Army (top general) to the entire Army, read to soldiers in formation, to remind them of their oaths and the prohibitions on political activity in uniform. I’d expect this before the election, and in the event of right wing violence from any military or reservists. Sometimes taking care of soldiers means reminding them not to do boneheaded things.
Litlebritdifrnt
@FelonyGovt: This reminds me of the Birthers during the Obama presidency. The majority of the “fighters” would roll up in their hoverrounds. The only ones that actually tried to do something were the comically inept ones. Stealing evidence from a Court room for instance, and when said bozo was jailed for his crimes, his online buddies set out to “free” him. One of them was arrested the minute he crossed the border in his pick up truck armed with a cache of weapons and (wait for it) a pink dildo in the back of his truck. These people are not the sharpest tools in the shed. The only worrying thing is that yes they are armed, but in general they tend to be more of a danger to themselves than they are to anyone else.
ETA I do not know about the Police but the Military swear an Oath to the Constitution and not to POTUS. There are enough Senior Officers who stand by that to put a stop to any of Trump’s kind of nonsense.
BC in Illinois
@Dave:
Now, I’m not the most military guy around, but I was in the Navy (in Bethesda MD) when Nixon was going down. (He even came to the Naval Hospital for some procedure while I was there.) And I can only imagine the reaction of various Chief Petty Officers, if someone said that we were going to take to the streets to save Richard Nixon. Even if there was some inclination to keep the nation from falling into the hands of the McGovernites, I can picture the voice of authority putting an end to it: “We will do our duty. No one will leave the base. Do I make myself clear?”
Nixon–and Trump–are temporary. No one with any sense of being on the right side of things tomorrow would give up everything to overthrow the Government for Trump — a man without law, loyalty, or honor.
Even if people figured that it was time to go out and bash heads, that desire would be balanced with the realization that stepping off base at that moment would be the end of their career. (And for us non-career-minded* E-5’s, the prospect of time in the brig and a dishonorable discharge would focus the mind.)
* As a Hospital Corpsman, I once heard a Navy Nurse tell us to be on our toes when ________ came on the ward: “She’s a real career woman.” After she left, we remarked on the fact that we had just heard an Officer describe a fellow-Officer as a Lifer.
ETA – – or what Wapiti #33 said.
raven
@Litlebritdifrnt: How’s mister?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Wapiti: I’ve been thinking St Mattis, the legendary Warrior Monk, to make some of the bound-to-go-viral remarks he used to. Maybe St Colin could even put a speaking fee at risk for the sake of his country. He owes us.
JMG
@Adam L Silverman: You are a professional and I respect your thoughts accordingly (also because they’re good thoughts), but that seems like an awful and unnecessary risk for Putin. If Ivan Doeski goes up on a federal rap and is identified, the stink would outweigh whatever possible gain there could be. If Trump appears to be sinking, wouldn’t Putin just say, well, sunk cost out of which we got plenty and move on? It’s not like there won’t be other American pols to suborn. He’s probably has some in the same hold he’s got Trump right now. Let’s ask Lindsay.
Baud
@Dave: I think we should take him seriously. Not because his threats are likely to result in mass violence, but because some things should be beyond the pale for real life. This is not some TV parody. I certainly don’t oppose mocking Trump’s impotence to weaken him, but it’s not entertainment.
lamh36
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Bingo. As noted above, US biker gangs tend toward libertarian anarchism and can’t be relied on by “the establishment” in any guise (and Bikers for Trump are just poseurs.) The Night Wolves, on the other hand, are genuinely worrying.
Patricia Kayden
So are the military and police going to speak out against Trump’s claim that they’re tough and support him? Or are they comfortable with the idea that they’re Trump’s private army to be wielded against his enemies? This is not normal.
Patricia Kayden
@lamh36: I thought they had sent it to France.
Dave
@BC in Illinois: I’m not concerned the military would play along; It’s clear the majority of General Officers, even including the more reactionary amongst them, have utter contempt for the dude.
I managed to back my way into a really kludged together army cough career cough pretty much unintentionally and even our more zealotry reactionary types wouldn’t go for it unless they had active orders from up top and that isn’t happening. My point is that it is rhetoric we should take very seriously only because of the official authority he has and the office he occupies (I’ve never been one for respect the rank/office not the individual a buffoon is a buffoon regardless of title) but at the same time he’s schmuck (except that’s too kind) so we end up in this very surreal space. And every once in awhile I think about it and then regret that.
oldgold
Trump does not have support of the toughest people.
The toughest people in this country are the millions of mothers, with children, who are employed outside of their homes.
Trump does not have the support of these truly tough women.
Driving a big motorcycle to the bar in a half-assed costume is not tough. Staying up all night with a sick child and then going to work is tough.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Just re-read that link. WTF is “The Night Wolves played a role in the Ukrainian uprising” supposed to mean?
SiubhanDuinne
HERE IS A NICE EFG UPDATE FOR YOU
Got a call a while ago from mrs efg, to let me know that our beloved efg was moved out of the ICU this afternoon (which came as a big surprise to me, as I guess I hadn’t realised he was in Intensive Care in the first place) and is now in a normal hospital room. He is such an intensely private guy that I don’t feel comfortable sharing any of the medical details. Suffice to say that he is vastly improved, even from a day or two ago, has regained some appetite, and is evidently returning to his curmudgeonly status quo.
He has already received several cards — THANK YOU, Jackals! — and would love to get more. Again, for those who missed or misplaced it, here’s the best address:
I know a couple of people said in an earlier thread that they were planning to write to him, and I hope lots of you will. Postcards, greeting cards, casual notes, long printed-out screeds, anything and everything legal to send through the U.S. Mail — all lift his spirits greatly.
Happy to be able to share some good news, and may repost this when the night crew signs in.
Dave
@Patricia Kayden: Pretty sure the military brass has decided to just ignore him and slow roll as much as possible without actually going so far as to actively step outside of their comfort zone.
Karen
@Wapiti: Like violence at the voting votes? And to enforce Trump’s pledge to never leave?
Litlebritdifrnt
@raven: He’s doing good, work is keeping him busy which is good cause it takes his mind off things. He worked 44 hours this week which is great. If this keeps up he should be able to save the application fee in no time. BTW I had the area that he was living wrong, he is living in East Point, GA not La Vista (the street he lives on is called Vesta Avenue which was why my confusion). He would be happy to work 60+ hours a weeks to keep him occupied so it’s all good. It has certainly taken the pressure off me. I am grateful for that.
Patricia Kayden
Love this take on Trump’s threat.
https://twitter.com/LarsenBee/status/1106228221081583617
He’s bluffing as usual.
HalfAssedHomesteader
@lamh36: Saving this for when anyone questions whether the media holds Democrats to a higher standard.
Wapiti
@Patricia Kayden: The military can’t speak out against the President. They must remain non-political.
Baud
https://apnews.com/b1d8d5688ec04c4b8a552d59f25c68dd
Wapiti
@Baud: Smells like… tax fraud?
raven
@Litlebritdifrnt: Cool, down by the airport.
geg6
@lamh36:
Yeah, that was awesome. I can’t stand Kasie Hunt. Ugh, she’s like Chuck Todd in a dress.
zhena gogolia
It’s kind of depressing that even Maru has a troll.
Brickley Paiste
@FelonyGovt:
Well, for what it’s worth, armed right resistance doesn’t seem like a joke to me
Many if not many most mass shooters are RWNJs or at least RWNJ adjacent
They lack discipline and organization but the anger and desire to destroy the left is there. Yes it’s just talk now, but it’s fuel ready to ignite.
When Charlottesville happened, I thought “Okay it is starting to happen”. Thank god that has sort of died down
The thing I am dreading is the formation of an organized cadre of Trump supporters- even if it’s non-violent at first – that could be steered towards violent.
If Trump or someone like Bannon or Fox News started promoting Americans Against Litter and started organizing monthly trash pickups in parks or something equally innocuous, I think they would warrant very careful monitoring.
Raven
@Brickley Paiste: Yea, so what are you going to do with this dread?
Leto
@Wapiti: This is one of the differentiations between the services. The AF doesn’t need the CoS to do this. We do this at the NCO level.
@Patricia Kayden: The military won’t come out directly and contradict Trumpov. They’ll reaffirm their oaths to the constitution and rule of law. It’ll be an indirect rebuke. Police? Nah, they’ll fall in line to continue to use their military toys on the civilian population.
NotMax
@joel hanes
Was kind of hoping someone would bring that up just so could provide this snippet.
Litlebritdifrnt
@raven: Yeah, close enough to MARTA that he can walk to work or get the bus depending on what he feels like. Getting to the gym is a bit more of a pain, two buses and a train but again it gives him down time, and of course he gets a MARTA card every month so it doesn’t cost him anything more. He is getting to know his surroundings better. Only downside, he misses my cooking and absolutely hates cooking for himself :) His apartment mate has a habit of hogging the freezer and smoking *things* but other than that is a good guy who he gets along with. He said the only downside of living near the airport is that every time he hears a plane go over head he wishes he was on it back to me. *sniff*
Raven
@Litlebritdifrnt: Aw. Is the CVS the one we thought on La Vista or another one?
FelonyGovt
@Litlebritdifrnt: Aww that sucks. I hope he can come back to you soon.
Mandarama
@SiubhanDuinne: Thank you so much for keeping tabs on the efg family! So glad to hear positive news.
debbie
@lamh36:
I especially liked her remark, in response to questioning about impeachment, that he wasn’t worth it.
SiubhanDuinne
@Litlebritdifrnt:
So, about every 20-30 seconds then? Well done, Litlebrit, well done!
Villago Delenda Est
Donald not only vastly overestimates his popularity with the military, he cannot comprehend how seriously most military members take their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. He’s been positioning himself to be a domestic enemy of the Constitution since he took the oath of office with purpose of evasion.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mandarama:
Well, in this case it was the efg family keeping tabs on us! But it’s my pleasure to be the liaison.
Steve in the ATL
@Litlebritdifrnt: there are some great historical homes in East Point. I passed through it today on Marta going to the airport!
lamh36
WOW!
Wolf in Sheep’s clothing!
germy
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yay for the great news! Thanks!
Baud
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/rosario-dawson-cory-booker-dating-couple-confirmed/index.html
Duane
Hope all the tough-guy MAGAt’s that got a happy seeing Junior fondle his precious noticed his soft, supple unblemished hands.
Steve in the ATL
@Chip Daniels: @joel hanes: Hell’s Angels’ greatest contribution to the world has been inspiring Hunter S. Thompson to write a great book
Leto
Not exactly. We do swear an oath to the constitution but also to follow the orders of the officers appointed above us, as well as the orders from POTUS:
Enlisted:
Officers:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces_oath_of_enlistment
Notice some of the subtle differences. But what we also get, from basic training and onwards, are briefings/training about lawful/unlawful orders. Yes most general officers won’t issue those orders, but it’s also the duty of the officers/NCOs below to make sure those orders are lawful. Just can’t say, “I was ordered to do that.” We continually drill it into everyone that it wasn’t good enough to save the Nazis, it won’t be good enough to save you.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Roger Moore: Yeah, I actually do think O’Rourke’s light resume is a problem, less because it was three terms in the House than because, even now, he’s not associated with any issue or aspect of gov’t that I can think of. I just find Kasie Hunt to be an almost perfect representative of the unbearable lightness of Conventional Wisdom, and I tend to hate the “qualifications” argument. Over 35 and a native born citizen, those are the qualifications.
And our whole field, except Biden, is light on foreign policy. People who vote on it, barring some kind of crisis, are rare, but most voters like to have a vague sense that they’re voting for someone who has a good grasp of it, or at least (unfortunately) is ‘tough’. Even Obama, who you could argue owed his move to the top of the Dem field to one foreign policy position, picked Biden– pretty much the incarnation of what Obamaworld calls “The Blob”– as his Veep as evidence of some kind of gravitas. Also both his SoS’s were pretty much Blobbists. There are very few people in the Dem party that I can see who would fill that role for Our Nominee.
lamh36
Oooh…Kamala’s my candidate…but and Abrams/Biden or Biden/Abrams team up…
That would make things interesting. Remember what I said about the consistent Dem voters who like Biden and would consider a Biden presidency, Obama 2.0!
I was thinking the other day, would Biden be willing to become a VP to another Black POTUS?
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Free Wheelin Frank and his pliers!
joel hanes
@Frankensteinbeck:
Trump’s hints don’t produce organized violence by Trump supporters
But that doesn’t make it harmless.
These guys are angry authoritarian losers, and Trump is purposely tweaking their anger. Because they’re cowards, they won’t take on the cops or the National Guard or the ATF, but they’ll look for someone weaker than they to abuse. So instead of armed rebellion, we get beat-up wives and kids, swastikas painted on synagogues and gravestones, harassment of Muslims, and the occasional white right-wing terror attack.
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1
Litlebritdifrnt
@Raven: It is whatever one is closest to East Point (close to East Point MARTA) It is really funny actually. On his first day in his new place he went there (cause it was the closest place) to get stuff (body wash etc) and at the checkout it was chaos. A customer asked the manager “are you short handed” and the Manager said “yes”. DH waited until the crush died down and approached the manager and told him he was looking for a job, told him his qualifications etc. Manager said fill out the online application and I will hire you and sure enough he did. Nothing like being in the right place at the right time.
lamh36
Interesting article from Josh Marshall.
I haven’t paid much attention today, but IDK…I wouldn’t say it was bad…def NOT great though or the way you might want a roll out day to look like
karen marie
@Wapiti: They can’t speak against him but the “brass” is also apparently powerless to stop Trump from using his rank and file military supporters to clearly demonstrate their support. I spit in the direction of all of these fuckwits.
Steve in the ATL
@germy: it’s about fucking time.
PJ
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I haven’t heard any candidate discussing how f*cked our foreign standing is and what it will take to undo that. It is a huge issue, and needs to be addressed in the campaign.
Raven
@Leto:
debbie
@lamh36:
I remember many RWNJs demanding the SPLC be declared a hate group after Charlottesville.
Raven
@karen marie: General direction!
Adam L Silverman
@JMG: They’ve been using the systema martial arts schools as recruiting centers. This shows they were trying to do the same with a biker club. We already know there are connections with the various secessionist groups and the “patriot” and militia knuckleheads. The question isn’t “is the enemy at the gates?” it is “are they already inside?”.
Steve in the ATL
@lamh36: he’s come a long way since “Disco Duck”
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Yep.
Mike in NC
@Villago Delenda Est: I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if fucking Trump hadn’t brought up the subject with somebody that he’d like service members take a personal oath to him, just like his idol in Berlin.
Litlebritdifrnt
@Steve in the ATL: Glad to know! Want to make sure DH is safe.
Brickley Paiste
@Baud:
Well, gosh, I guess that puts all those ghey rumours to rest!!!
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I think they were referring to the pro-Russian separatism in east of Ukraine and Crimea. That’s usually how I see it phrased in pro-Russian and pro-Putin sources – that there is an uprising in Ukraine or a Ukrainian uprising against the government of Ukraine.
lamh36
@Baud: the lest I say bout that the better…
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/9e/12/c39e12f24e833619482f13017440d43a.gif
Leto
@PJ: This can’t be stressed enough. I’d like to hear from our candidates on this issue.
@Raven:
Brickley Paiste
@Raven:
I’ve been really working to perfect the cheese we make from our goats’ milk.
germy
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: Gen. Goldfein has been very good about subtweeting an sub-statementing the President. As have the Chief of Naval Operations, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Chief of Staff of the Army has not done as well. And that worries me as Gen. Goldfein was passed over to become the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the Chief of Staff of the Army.
Brickley Paiste
@germy:
That’s some quality shade.
karen marie
@Raven: Specific direction.
The only thing that kept me going through the Bush II maladministration was the belief that it would end and normality would resume. Obama’s eight years was a respite but still fraught. I’ve been close to just walking out to the desert and laying down since Trump was elected. The only thing that stops me is the promise I made to my dog Lucy that I would never abandon her.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Not sure why the Miami Herald would be adopting pro-Russian formulation in a news article.
Mike in NC
@lamh36: Joe Biden is too old and needs to go away quietly.
Leto
@Adam L Silverman: Does that mean retweeting/reaffirming what Trumpov says? I don’t tweet… also I’ve been laughing too much at Goldfien’s silly AF tv ads. They’re just… bad.
Leto
@germy: Mayor Buttigieg on point about Green Beans Coffee. Star-who? Green Beans all the way.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I don’t either. It may just be a strange sentence construction and mean nothing.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@lamh36: He got wall-to-wall coverage today on MSNBC. 99% of it positive. More importantly he got a great reception by Iowans in Drumpf country.
If that was a bad day, I wonder who a good day looks.
B.B.A.
@lamh36: The SPLC has been resting on its laurels for decades now, and hasn’t lifted a finger against the fascist takeover of our country except to beg for more donations. Hopefully the new leadership will get them back on track. They were once such a force for good…
zhena gogolia
@Raven:
I’m hearing Sterling Hayden’s voice . . . .
Brickley Paiste
@B.B.A.:
Yeah I heard Dees speak 20 years ago at Stanford and have sent them a little money every year since then. But with the lawsuit and rumors about, um, personnel matters … no more
I hope they get back on track
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: No. The CSAF, CNO,MCC, and CJCS have all been very good, when the President tweets or says something bigoted or exclusionary or controversial, to either tweet or say something that contradicts it without directly calling it out. The CSA has done this, but I don’t see him doing it as strongly or as well as his peers.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mike in NC: He’s probably asked about it, and been told “Not only no, but fuck no.”
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: Even TOC coffee is better than Starbucks.
Steeplejack
@geg6:
What struck me in that video snippet was that Kasie Hunt was chuckling, like “Ha-ha, Nancy and I are sharing a humorous moment!”
No, you asked a dumb-ass question and Nancy handed you your ass. Hunt caught the poke at Trump but missed that part.
tobie
@lamh36: Marshall is convinced that O’Rourke was hurt by Kathleen Rice’s endorsement, as she’s a known centrist, but that strikes me as so inside baseball as to be almost meaningless except to political junkies. If endorsements mattered one iota, we could all go to bed secure at night, knowing HRC was steering the ship of state. The weekday announcement may not have generated sufficient splash to create major momentum for the campaign but endorsements mean diddly squat. I’ll be curious what the response is to the March 31 kickoff event.
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
That would for sure be a Big Biden Deal!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Marshall’s argument, best as I could follow it, is that O’Rourke risks becoming the face of the centrists in the Bernie Millennium. I think that’s only a problem if he follows the Klobuchar/Schultz and kinda Hickenlooper model of trying to be the anti-Bernie, a platform of “You’ll get nothing! and like it!“. And I say that as someone who is not fond of Bernie. I don’t think our candidate needs to go full-metal emo-AOC -Sean McElwee-BS , but they gotta offer something to get the yoots and the left, and even fat, phlegmatic, pragmatic old me, excited.
And looking for that clip, the next one is Rodney Dangerfield on the Jackie Gleason show (live from Miami!) and I gotta save that one for later.
Villago Delenda Est
@germy: Schultz said he had long admired Hewitt. This is a disqualification for serving in any elected office in these United States.
Leto
@Adam L Silverman: Oh, got it. I remember you linking some of their tweets regarding the trans tweet policy Drumpf laid out, and yes, they had appropriate push back. And you’re also correct that TOC coffee is better. :)
Villago Delenda Est
@Adam L Silverman: Wow, that’s setting the bar VERY low!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Are we sure “Howard Schultz” isn’t the culmination of Andy Kaufman’s decades-long last prank?
Anne Laurie
@SiubhanDuinne: Sooo happy to hear this — just frontpaged your message!
Steeplejack
@Litlebritdifrnt:
How much is the application fee?
Ladyraxterinok
@Litlebritdifrnt: I believe each soldier in Nazi Germany took an oath of allegiance to Hitler, NOT to Germany.
The leaders–ministers, etc– of the protestant church in Germany were required to do the same. That was one of the reasons Bonhoeffer and Karl Barth organized the Confessing Church. Its statement of principle says that their first allegiance is to God, not to a person or a nation.
Mnemosyne
@Brickley Paiste:
Aww, look, the blood-gargling NRA troll is trying to pretend that he’s Very Concerned about the same mass shootings that give him a woody.
You get a Nancy Pelosi clap for that one.
Anne Laurie
@lamh36: Dees is 82 years old, and hasn’t been able to update his behavior since he was the Young Crusader. I just hope his personal disgrace doesn’t destroy the SPLC — the younger PoC and women who protested are doing important work!
(Also: Dees remind anybody of another shouty old white dude?… )
Ladyraxterinok
@lamh36: I find this info really sad.
Also, I thought Dees was dead.
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: @Villago Delenda Est: When he said yesterday he’d vote members of Congress from bother parties to the White House, if elected president, regularly for coffee, and that it would be Starbucks coffee, I just shook my head and thought: “the beauty of being president is they actually serve good coffee in the White House”.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, because Andy Kaufman was funny.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Adam L Silverman: and a good wrestler.
Ladyraxterinok
@Steve in the ATL: I read my son’s copy and was surprised how interesting it was.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: that subtweeting you mentioned upthread?
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
When I see that someone in his early 80s has started saying and doing the opposite of the principles he espoused during his previous 50 years in the public eye, I can’t help but wonder if that person has been sliding into dementia for years and no one was willing to point out that there was something seriously wrong with him.
Leto
@Adam L Silverman: True but they also serve great hamburgers and steaks, yet we have the Hamberderler-in-Chief serving up trays of slop. I know, government shut down but still! :p
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I miss GEN Dempsey. I miss him as the TRADOC Commanding General, as the Chief of Staff of the Army, and as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: It is, unfortunately, what it is.
Plato
@oldgold:
Thank you. Yup.
Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]
Sooo…. I’ve always had a “enemy of my enemy, but don’t bring out the good silverware when you sit with him” vibe about Michael Avenetti, but this really makes me glad I trusted my gut on that decision…..
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1106338299759624193
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: I met Dees 20 some years ago when I was in law school. He was kind of an ass. He has done great work, but I am not necessarily surprised that he has behaved poorly.
sukabi
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: #the EconomyofAssholishBehavoir
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Adam L Silverman: he was a pretty good baritone, as well.
sukabi
@Mnemosyne: maybe, but documenting and fighting against repressive behavior is not the same as actively embracing and working to elevate the victims of the repression.
Adam L Silverman
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: True. My favorite was the first Profession of Arms mini conference. They scheduled it without breaks. Five hours straight through. I was on via VTC from Carlisle Barracks as, at that time given how it was written, I owned one of the lines of effort for the project, which would change by the end of that day’s VTC because GEN Dempsey reorganized the lines of effort and mine got subsumed under someone else’s, which was fine. About an hour in GEN Dempsey asked about the first break. Some idiot colonel who hadn’t scheduled any tried to explain they hadn’t scheduled any, we were just going to plow right through all five hours, and then proceeded to keep going. GEN Dempsey got up, announced he was going to the latrine, everyone else started to stand up, he told them to carry on, he’d be back when he was back. After a couple of minutes someone whispered something to the idiot colonel and he called a break until GEN Dempsey got back. Most amusing thing I’ve seen on a VTC!