Wednesday Morning Open Thread: An Overnight Sensation (After Decades of Hard Work)


 

A record number of women ran — and won — in the 2018 midterms, and the same dynamics that led to this boost could be contributing to the increase in women presidential candidates as well.

Clinton, the first woman to secure a major-party nomination for the presidency, carved out a path that other women could follow. Research has found that women in leadership positions can serve as key role models for younger women in their field, and help improve their performance. Additionally, one person’s efforts to break a barrier can make a position seem more accessible to others in the future.

“I think that Hillary did help, but also I think the victories in 2018 helped. It proved that women can mobilize women voters,” says Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who runs Lake Research Partners…

The surge in Democratic women candidates can also be attributed, in part, to longtime investments the party has made in building a bench.

“The filling of the pipeline was a 35-year project or longer,” says Lake, who adds that Barbara Mikulski, one of the first women to join the Senate, used to joke that she was a 30-year overnight success. Emily’s List, one of the organizations that have led recruitment for women and training for women candidates, most recently heard from more than 42,000 women interested in running during the 2018 midterms…

Another ‘Hillary Effect’, IMO, is that women considering running for office could see what happened after the Worst Possible Outcome. Clinton was abused, threatened, sneered at — she had her popular-vote win stolen by Republican traitors and their foreign purchasers — and she went right on with her work. She’s not happy about what happened, but she’s still publicly modeling a good and happy life. The nuns used to tell us: Half of courage is knowing what you’re attempting has been done before. Sometimes failure is an option… but, if you work hard, you can still return safely to Earth.

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    Lapassionara says:

    Good morning, everyone.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Sometimes failure is an option…

    If one doesn’t fail every now and again it’s because they’re always taking the safe easy path.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Lapassionara: Blech.

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    R-Jud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good morning, Blech Panther.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The crocus pix you sent for Sunday were lovely. Thanks

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Lapassionara: I live to serve. (bows most humbly)

    @R-Jud: Good morning??!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!????? Blech you!

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    NotMax says:

    Is it safe?

    ;)

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    JPL says:

    @R-Jud: So what is happening with Brexit? Can they just let the date pass without separating from the E.U.?

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    satby says:

    @NotMax: dips toe in, waits….

    Ok, morning everyone 🙋
    @OzarkHillbilly: 😘

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: That all depends on what the definition of “is” is.

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    Jay says:

    @JPL:

    Nope.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Emily’s List, one of the organizations that have led recruitment for women and training for women candidates, most recently heard from more than 42,000 women interested in running…

    Well, the presidential debate stages are going to get s little crowded, but I say sure, let’s get all 42000 on the ballot and let the voters decide. And as for the debates, if each one gets 1 minute to respond, that’s only 29 days per question. We can handle that.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL:

    Donald Tusk has warned after the second big defeat of Theresa May’s deal that he expects a credible reason for any delay to Brexit. Moments after the prime minister announced that the House of Commons would vote on an extension to the article 50 negotiating period beyond 29 March, the European council president issued an EU red line.

    “Should there be a UK reasoned request for an extension, the EU27 will consider it and decide by unanimity,” a spokesman for Tusk said. “The EU27 will expect a credible justification for a possible extension and its duration. The smooth functioning of the EU institutions will need to be ensured.”

    A spokesman for the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, echoed Tusk’s position in a coordinated statement. There is frustration in Brussels at the failure by Downing Street to lay down any groundwork over a potential extension, raising the risk that leaders could reject any request.

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    Mary G says:

    Hillary’s been so gracious. I would be on MSNBC 24 hours a day raging about Twitler if I was her.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    So I’m having kind of an intense week. Showed up Monday for jury duty and instead of being dismissed by early afternoon as I expected, I’m on a week long jury trial. Just staying that focused all day is incredibly draining somehow. Had to deal with the sudden rearranging of this week’s schedule in 10-minute chunks on breaks, since we are not allowed to even be near our electronic devices most of the day.

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    R-Jud says:

    @JPL: No, they can’t. I really cannot emphasize enough how much of a shitshow this is. Follow the Guardian’s current liveblog to see what the current state of play is— my personal favourite detail is how it’s finally dawning on the government that they’ll need to ask for an extension to Article 50. Meanwhile in the European Parliament, MEP Nigel Fucking Farage is urging other MEPs to deny an extension.

    I have stockpiled foodstuffs and paper goods. There’s a lot of flour, canned tomatoes, and olive oil in my pantry right now–if they cancel Brexit at the last minute, I am going out to buy a shit-ton of cheese, and you can all come over for homemade pizza.

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    Jay says:

    @R-Jud:

    Dried beans, brown rice, garlic, onions, and if you can afford it, salsa.

    Add in some basic antibiotics.

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    JPL says:

    @Jay: @OzarkHillbilly: @R-Jud:
    That’s not good.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @R-Jud: Don’t forget the toilet paper.

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    Jay says:

    @JPL:

    Nope

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    R-Jud says:

    @Jay: Check on all those things, plus coffee. Salsa here isn’t all that great, so I’ve been freezing the stuff I make myself. I also have a few 5 kg bags of pasta, several boxes of my daughter’s favourite cereal, and some UHT milk.

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    Jay says:

    @R-Jud:

    BTDubs, don’t share with Brexiteers, no matter how pathetic they are.

    Pizza’s good cold.

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    NotMax says:

    @R-Jud

    Wait for the resurgence of long ignored indigenous-to-someplace-on-the-isle dishes, such as crappit heid.

    :)

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    Jay says:

    @R-Jud:

    It was more that beans, brown rice, garlic, onion and salsa makes a full, flavourfull, nutricious meal, hot or cold, and keeps well.

    For cheap.

    Beats ramen.

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    JPL says:

    Where’s Cameron?

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    Jay says:

    @JPL:

    Sucking wingnut welfare as a consultant.

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    debbie says:

    Clinton was abused, threatened, sneered at — she had her popular-vote win stolen by Republican traitors and their foreign purchasers — and she went right on with her work.

    She persisted. We all do.

    (OT/Shouldn’t I have adjusted to the time change by now?)

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    Momentary says:

    My Brexit stockpile: sheep, chickens, firewood, bulk dried rice and beans, solar panels, canned tomatoes, coffee. And oxytetracycline.

    Today I expect parliament will vote to rule out no deal, but they might also vote for the supposed “Malthouse compromise” which the EU has already said is a non-starter. Probably we’ll see some cabinet resignations. Maybe today will be the end of Theresa May, maybe the end of this government, at some point something’s got to give. Just praying we don’t end up with Boris, even briefly.

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    Jay says:

    @debbie:

    Varies by sunshine. It can take a day, or a month.

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    NotMax says:

    @Momentary

    No chocolate?

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    germy says:

    To any who quibble that someone who might run against Trump isn’t “likable enough” or “able to please me 100% in every way” — I wear my “Absolutely Anyone Else in 2020” shirt/button proudly, and as an urgent reminder of what’s most important.https://t.co/R2Auqal0Tu pic.twitter.com/MAoc89JUoI— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) January 7, 2019

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Momentary: Still struggling to understand all the ramifications.

    1. I read that Mar 29 is the deadline. If the UK parliament is unable to pass anything by then, the calendar is still going to say Mar 29. So then what? The borders close?

    2. When you mention a Boris government, what is the scenario that leads to that?

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    Momentary says:

    @NotMax: Chocolate isn’t one of my basic needs, but I traded three hens for three pounds of local honey this morning :)

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    NotMax says:

    @germy

    Need buttons proclaiming “HINDSIGHT IN 2020.”

    :)

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    Jay says:

    @Momentary:

    Pretty sure you will be Boris free.

    Downthread, a commenter brought up the point that EU elections are May 23, so Brexit will be done by May 22, one way or another, so that the EU can rid itself of British Upper Class Twits of the Year.

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    R-Jud says:

    @Momentary:

    Just praying we don’t end up with Boris, even briefly.

    This. Or Rees-Mogg.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: The Cayman Islands?

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    Momentary says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Before Mar 29, the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50, or can ask the EU for an extension of Article 50. The most likely thing to happen, insofar as we can predict anything at all, is that parliament will reject no deal and whoever is PM will ask for an extension, and some kind of extension will probably be granted. How long and with what conditions is a complicated and fraught question.

    If the UK does not ask for an extension, revoke Article 50, or agree to a deal by March 29, then yes, the borders close and the apocalypse ensues. It seems likely that if that happens, the government will then fall, and the successor government will swiftly agree to whatever deal the EU offers, and then we’ll be picking up the pieces for a good long time.

    The scenario that leads to a Boris government is that Theresa May is forced to step down and rather than having a general election we just have a Tory leadership reshuffle in which Boris is victorious.

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    PST says:

    Sometimes failure is an option…

    When I was a student I used to play bridge with a girl who always said that if you don’t go down half the time you aren’t bidding aggressively enough. Forty years later we got married. She evidently never got over her urge to take foolish risks.

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    debbie says:

    @germy:

    If I didn’t think it would get my car vandalized, I’d grab that car magnet!

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    Baud says:

    @Lapassionara: Good morning.

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    Jay says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    If the UK doesnt get it’s shit together by March 29, it’s a Hard Brexit.

    Borders go up and Trade is WTO rules. So anybody but the EU and anybody who has trade deals with the EU, so, Venezuela for food, the Congo for medicine, nobody for Services, and Panama for finance.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    NotMax says:

    @R-Jud

    Rees-Mogg

    Sounds like nothing so much as the head of the Lovecraft party.

    “There is no Cthexit.”

    ;)

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G: She’s an inspiration.

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    Momentary says:

    @NotMax: I think it is entirely plausible that Rees-Mogg is hiding tentacles under that waistcoat.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: You’ll get used to it by October.

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    NotMax says:

    @Momentary

    then we’ll be picking up the pieces for a good long time.

    Repeating myself from some time earlier: “Pieces in our time.”

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    hueyplong says:

    @NotMax: Or you could just go with the standard

    HINDSIGHT IS 2020

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    Jay says:

    @Jay:

    And North Korea for data services,

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    But her emails!!! says:

    The UK fucked itself. When the voters voted for leave, they voted for a sparkly, rainbow ice cream defecating unicorn version.

    I don’t like May, but as an American I find it insanely stupid that she’s catching so much flack for not delivering the fucking unicorn to parliament. Here’s the reality. The Brexit agreement that Parliament has twice overwhelmingly rejected is the best offer the UK is going to get. They were never going to get a unicorn that shits ice cream. They were never even going to get a goat that shits ice cream. The UK now faces two choices. 1. The politicians can either vote for May’s Brexit plan or revoke article 50 and be fed shit by voters, or the UK can crash out and everyone gets to eat shit once their Brexit boxes are empty. Either way, shit is on the menu.

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    R-Jud says:

    @Momentary: My theory is that Rees-Mogg lives in a haunted mirror.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Momentary: But no-deal Brexit is the default even if they do nothing by the 29th. That’s why one of the things I’m puzzling to understand is why even have votes on no-deal Brexit. It’s like voting on whether the tides should go out today.

    I also don’t understand what triggers a change in PM and why May is still PM. I got the impression they are out when they lose a big vote, which is how Cameron was outed in favor of May in the first place.

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    Baud says:

    @But her emails!!!:

    I don’t like May, but as an American I find it insanely stupid that she’s catching so much flack for not delivering the fucking unicorn to parliament. 

    I agree. Just because she’s bad, doesn’t mean she won’t be tarred unfairly in this.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jay: Heh, I first read that as “And North Korea for dating services,”

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    Baud says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    If no deal gets a majority, then they won’t ask for an extension.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: They can arrange that.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @JPL:

    No. If there’s nothing decided one way or another then the default result is that the UK crashes out of the EU without any agreement, breaks all of its trade deals and pulls out of every single international and bilateral treaty, deal and understanding it’s been party to since joining the European project in the early 1970’s. Quitters like to gussie this up as “The No-Deal Option” as if it’s a well-worked out, stress-tested policy with clearly defined stages and goals, but it’s not, it’s simply insane. It’s the political equivalent of sending out “I HATE YOU, YOU UGLY PRICK. NEVER CALL ME AGAIN.” texts to everyone on your phone, blocking all their numbers, and then taking huge amounts of special-K and hanging around in the red-light district in a pair of short-shorts thinking “This is how I’ll make real friends.”

    Madness. The very idea that it’s being presented as a rational option is an indictment of how very awful British media is at pushing back against the extreme right-wing and its memes.

    Anyway. Today Parliament votes on rejecting the idea of No-Deal, which should pass with a large majority, but which won’t mean much unless there’s actually a bill passed to replace or amend the post-Referendum vote that triggered Article 50. Then there’s a series of votes to see what Parliament – will – vote for. Blah Blah, Basically we’re on the glide-path to a binary choice between May’s deal and a new Referendum. This was true months and months ago, but the salient fact that the Government is run by Tories and its majority in the Commons relies on an alliance between Conservative MPs and the ‘clerical-fascists’ of the Orange Militia (better known as the DUP) has often been ignored by those who’d rather shame-blame Labour for not using its Green Lantern ring to wish Brexit away in a puff of unicorn farts. Tories only ever do anything approaching the right thing when their little pink backsides are hovering an inch above the white-hot fire, and as we approach March 29th they are dropping closer and closer to it.

    In the meantime, I’ll be watching the football.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @JPL:
    Sod Cameron.

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    Baud says:

    Gavin Newsom ending death penalty in California.

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    Momentary says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Having the vote on no-deal Brexit accomplishes a couple of things. It gets on record a measure of what proportion of MPs will vote for “avoid no-deal, whatever it takes”, which in itself changes the game a bit because the hard Brexiters are deeply and delusionally invested in thinking that they can threaten the EU with no-deal. And it effectively mandates that the PM request an extension if necessary to avoid no-deal.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @But her emails!!!: @Baud: Well, she did promise that she would deliver a deal she so obviously is incapable of delivering. That alone is a tarring and feathering worthy offense.

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    Ken says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Most likely Tusk is putting the UK on notice that “we f*cked around for two years” is not a credible reason for an extension. However he may be trying reverse psychology, recognizing that “the EU says we can’t do this” is the best way to get the pro-Brexit MPs to ask for, nay demand, an extension.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Just look at what they did for trump! They found him the love of his life!

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    Baud says:

    @Ken:

    Ah, the “don’t drink bleach” strategy Obama never used. Makes sense.

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    Momentary says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: It used to be the case that the government would fall after losing a big vote so spectacularly. But Cameron and Clegg passed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act to change that, which has demonstrably broken our entire system of government. Cameron chose to step down after the referendum, but he didn’t have to. Basically there are so many things that are Cameron’s fault.

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    Baud says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    why May is still PM

    No one else wants the job.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Tony Jay:

    I’ll be watching the football.

    You think the FA will do anything but tut-tut about the Birmingham fiasco?

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    Jay says:

    @But her emails!!!:

    May could have negotiated a Brexit based on what the EU actuallyis and dose, after all, she has a deep bench of technocrats who actually know the EU to rely on.

    Instead she chased after the rainbow skittles farting flying pink unicorns of the Brexiteer’s for over a year and a half, for domestic votes from people who will never vote yes.

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    Bruce K says:

    To quote webcomic cartoonist Howard Tayler, “Failure is not an option; it is mandatory. The option is whether you let failure be the last thing you do.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Ken:

    Most likely Tusk is putting the UK on notice that “we f*cked around for two years” is not a credible reason for an extension.

    That’s my read (and Juncker’s “ditto” reinforces the point), sort of a “Look, you asked for a divorce and now you’re going to get one. I’m tired of being dicked around on this.” statement. But I’m really bad at gaming this thing out.

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    rikyrah says:

    Javi Morgado (@javimorgado) Tweeted:
    Breaking news: @CNN has learned that at least 5 pilots in the US reported problems controlling Boeing 737 Max 8 jets during critical moments of flight in recent months, according to records in a federal government incident database. Why are these jets still flying in the US??? https://twitter.com/javimorgado/status/1105766895662309376?s=17

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    Momentary says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: May is a deeply racist Little Englander who is very personally invested in ending immigration and EU freedom of movement. Her policies when she was heading the Home Office were vicious and cruel. So she herself very much does not want to agree to a customs union deal as that would require freedom of movement, in addition to trying to keep the support of the hard Brexiters who actually want no-deal.

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    rikyrah says:

    Mother Jones (@MotherJones) Tweeted:
    Newly-released tapes capture Fox News host @TuckerCarlson:
    • Describing Iraqis as “semiliterate primitive monkeys”
    • Crediting “white men” with “creating civilization”
    • And comparing women to “dogs”

    Jesus Christ.‍ https://t.co/HOplviBw6i https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1105657548726767616?s=17

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    Ken says:

    @But her emails!!!:

    When the voters voted for leave, they voted for a sparkly, rainbow ice cream defecating unicorn version.

    From what I’ve read in the Chris Grey Brexit blog, they voted for five or six mutually-exclusive imaginary unicorns, with the result that any actual Brexit path cannot match the expectations of at least 80% of the leavers.

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    rikyrah says:

    irony left name change guy (@hasanthehun) Tweeted:
    never forget that george w bush got into yale through affirmative action for the wealthy. He was a legacy, and his family donated a wing of the library. https://t.co/HVqHwb52W4 https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1105514947813957634?s=17

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    Elizabelle says:

    Good morning, jackals. I don’t understand why UK cannot have a do-over vote. Either vote for the deal May put together, or vote to remain. Period. And do it speedily.

    I have never understood whey they did not allow a second vote on whether the UK really wanted to go through with this, particularly as so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fantasy.

    Anyone?

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    Momentary says:

    @Baud: That is awesome. I am a cautious Gavin Newsom fan, ever since his SF Mayor days.

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    Momentary says:

    @Elizabelle: Politics, especially internal party politics. That is all.

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    Jay says:

    @Ken:

    Double yup, Chris Grey is one of the few sane Brits.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Momentary: So if Kirstjen Nielsen ever becomes president a May like presidency is what we can expect?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Momentary: So it seems. And it does not seem that such a momentous and potentially disastrous outcome should be pushed solely for political posturing by current politicians. May and her party are criminal, and it seems Corbyn has been absolutely useless.

    I’ve also noticed the UK journalists interviewed by Americans all doing that laughing among themselves about how hard it is to understand the whole thing, because they don’t have the courage to write “this is insane; pull back, pull back.” Do your fucking jobs. Don’t just sit there and laugh (literally) because it’s not in your hands.

    “Some say” doesn’t help when “some” are nutters.

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    rikyrah says:

    😂😂😂

    Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) Tweeted:
    Everybody who bitches about affirmative-action now gets to:
    A. Kiss my black ass.
    B. Shut up forever and ever and ever.

    https://t.co/vPR9LrvDMP https://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1105523068485677066?s=17

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    raven says:

    @Momentary: My wife will get to London the 29th!

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    It IS weird the US is such an outlier on grounding the planes. I read that FAA enforcement actions are way down, too. A huge drop in the last two years.

    I feel like at some point we have to pay for so much corruption and so many low quality Trump hires. It’s not without damage- it’s a matter of when and where the damage- what I think of as corrosion– becomes apparent.

    The structure of the administrative state (like any large organization) would hold for a while under any president- it exists, it’s mostly career people, it chugs along like a machine no matter who the political appointees are- but that wouldn’t go on forever. At some point poor management and low quality hires SHOW. You SEE their work. Let’s hope we don’t see it here, but it WILL start to show up somewhere. The question for me has always been not “do we have to pay for this” but instead “where will we pay for this and how much”?

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    rikyrah says:

    The Crisis Magazine (@thecrisismag) Tweeted:
    After white mobs destroyed “Black Wall Street”, killing hundreds, where are the bodies buried?
    https://t.co/ZEhSbfVSeO https://twitter.com/thecrisismag/status/1105447607139225600?s=17

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    karen marie says:

    @PST: Congratulations!

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    rikyrah says:

    Chicago Tribune (@chicagotribune) Tweeted:
    The wife of Naperville City Council candidate Joe McElroy has said she has forgiven her husband for a violent assault against her back in 1995. But does that mean voters will — or should — follow suit?

    Column from @dencrosby: https://t.co/W6ot0KsPnQ https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1105676872774488068?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    @PST:
    Congratulations 🎉❣️

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I have never understood whey they did not allow a second vote on whether the UK really wanted to go through with this, particularly as so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fantasy.

    Butbutbutbut the overturning of an electoral vote by means of an electoral vote would be undemocratic! Only the first electoral vote is legitimate, all others following are illegitimate negations by democratic means!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Jay:
    There was time for a re-vote, just as there was time to arrange a less-chaotic Brexit, but the Tories and May in particular have frittered it all away.

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    Jay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    The MSM could have spent their decades informing the British public about the EU,

    Instead infotainment about banannas.

    Based on what I have read, the British Public knows less about the EU than they did two years ago.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    We don’t have an Administrator for the FAA, because they wouldn’t approve his personal pilot 😠😠😠

    We all knew that his low quality hires would eventually bite us, but the short sightedness of Boeing is also infuriating.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @rikyrah:

    Why are these jets still flying in the US???

    Why has the FAA had no head for over a year?

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    MomSense says:

    Even with the scholarships, work study, financial aid, and loans it has been a real struggle for us to pay college tuition and all the associated costs. My kids will be paying student loans for years after they finish. Of course I knew that rich people were donating money to help their kids go to colleges and universities but this latest scandal has been shocking. Lori Laughlin’s daughter even made a video where she talked about wanting the experiences of partying etc but didn’t really care about school. The one that bothers me most is that guy McGlashan. He and his partner Bono have been prancing around pushing this bogus idea that the Uber wealthy can somehow fix all the problems they fucking created through philanthropy and impact investing. Clearly that motherfucker doesn’t believe his own spin as he went to extraordinary lengths to game the system for his kids.. Am I remembering correctly that Bono was revealed to be one of the people parking his money offshore to avoid taxes?
    If there’s a soundtrack for the guillotines, I think U2 could work. With or without you. With or without you I can’t live… or maybe the assembled crowd couldn’t just join in for the without you line.

    The Uber wealthy aren’t satisfied with the gilded age redux. They prefer serfdom.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    We have a horrible political appointee running job and family services here. He wasn’t qualified when he got the job and he’s terrible at the job. So I’m outside them and I can SEE it slowly …failing. First all the good employees were unhappy. Then there was this exodus and they were replaced with his horrible hires. Now it basically doesn’t function at all. But it took 4 years to show. Just like a private entity public entities don’t fail overnight. They quietly get less effective first.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Elizabelle:
    I never did either. It has NEVER made any sense to me

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    Jay says:

    @MomSense:

    Tell us how you really feel.

    I still have my “Eat the Rich” t-shirt from 1981.

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    rikyrah says:

    Bradley Whitford (@WhitfordBradley) Tweeted:
    Incredibly weird that @SenSanders has lied about when he would release his taxes(said he would, never did last cycle)and still has not done it after announcing his second run for President.Enabling the norm-busting corrupt refusal of @realDonaldTrump to release his taxes is nuts. https://twitter.com/WhitfordBradley/status/1105666029999570944?s=17

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    Peale says:

    @Momentary: yep. The reason there will be a hard Brexit damn the economic consequences is that it was always about kicking out Poles and Estonians. I laugh at the idea that there will be a replacement trade deal in the near future. What’s going to be traded first are young EU workers for British pensioners.

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    rikyrah says:

    Bennie G. Thompson (@BennieGThompson) Tweeted:
    After years of working to enact the home of Medgar and Myrlie Evers as a national monument, I am proud to announce it has been signed into law. I hope this enactment affords my long-time friend Myrlie Evers some assurance that her husband’s legacy lives on. https://t.co/lFInLfyZnW https://twitter.com/BennieGThompson/status/1105635870869204993?s=17

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    PST says:

    @rikyrah: Thank you (and karen marie). I might have created the impression that this was a new development. It’s actually been almost four years, so I think this could last. Something about the phrase “sometimes failure is an option” made me think of all the times over the years I used to mention the bidding proclivities of that girl I used to know never dreaming what the future held.

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    MomSense says:

    @Momentary:

    I’m really sorry. I’ve tried to follow along but it’s such a shitshow and I hate all of the characters in the drama. I have an acquaintance in Scotland who owns a small business that is going to be destroyed by Brexit. I’m just trying to be supportive as much as I can but it depresses me no end especially while we suffer with our own exit from sanity on this side of the pond.

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    rikyrah says:

    Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) Tweeted:
    It’s nice to know that whatever decision the FAA is making on the 737, I have TOTAL faith it’s being made on the merits and not because of some corrupt and hidden influence on our President or a cockamamie idea planted in his head on the back nine. https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1105602479729922048?s=17

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    MomSense says:

    @Jay:

    Ha! I only recently got rid of my Fuck the Polltax shirt I got in London BITD.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: Situation with the FAA is called regulatory capture, as you know.

    Regulatory capture is a form of government failure which occurs when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public interest, instead advances the commercial or political concerns of special interest groups that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating.

    Good definition from wiki. It happens in all sorts of industries, and is speeding on steroids under Trump and his kakistocracy. Particularly dangerous, though, when you are thousands of feet above terra firma, in an uncertain aeroplane.

    Up to consumers to decide they will not set foot on Max8s.

    FWIW: Germany and a lot of Europe has been experiencing extremely high winds this past week, and today as well. The kind that brings trees down on cars. Sometimes the winds are more at high altitudes than ground level.

    Flew in night before last, and it was severe turbulence over Lyons, France and for quite a long time after. We had to circle the airport waiting for a break in the winds (and lovely smooth landing after odd approach; felt like plane was sideways and applying really high power to stay aloft). I was safe and secure because — Lufthansa — I trust them. Don’t think I would have felt as comfortable on a Max8 getting all kinds of swirling air inputs and wondering what Boeing’s crazyass software would do with that.

    If the FAA won’t regulate, the flying public can make their aversion known.

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    karen marie says:

    @Kay:
    If the boss is a no-show (a la Lynne Patton “running” HUD Region II with enough spare time she can be in a reality TV show) , why would you bother?

    This was Obama’s Region II person: https://archives.hud.gov/news/2010/pr10-090.cfm

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    rikyrah says:

    Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) Tweeted:
    Reminder: Harvard admits more white students with legacy preferences than the total number of black students admitted each year. And that’s for being *related* to privilege, not even counting the kids whose parents just purchased their admission. https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1105548984754548736?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) Tweeted:
    I feel kinda uncomfortable w/ two well-known moms being the face of this college scandal. i.e. the central fixer was a man, many of the charged coaches were men, lots of husbands/dads were involved etc. https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/status/1105663747409002497?s=17

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    JPL says:

    @PST: Sweet!

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    germy says:

    This photo:

    BREAKING: Harvard releases Jared Kushner's SAT scores. pic.twitter.com/5VDbMeU9O7— Paul Lee Ticks (@PaulLeeTicks) March 12, 2019

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    As far as I’m concerned the Ivies should be required to pay their own reparations. If the book Ebony and Ivy doesn’t put you in the mood for guillotines, nothing will.

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    Jay says:

    @rikyrah:

    In Canada, and other countries, in the absence of government, consumers are bailing on all 737’s.

    In the absence of government, both air crews and Corporations are bailing on the 737 MAX.

    This will have lasting consequences a software fix won’t fix, and will go far beyond aviation.

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    Kay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Thanks. I don’t want people to panic- I know flying is safe and I rarely fly anyway, but it’s odd that we’re the outlier.

    About 2 years ago I read an article that US regs on auto recalls were laxer than in (some) other countries. So we’d be tooling around in models that had been subject to recalls in Germany. It worried me- like the rampant corruption and regulatory capture was starting to SHOW, and US consumers were falling into a lower tier – the US as one of the countries where it’s safe to sell a lower quality product. The plane situation reminded me of that.

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    @Mary G: Chelsea is incredibly gracious on twitter too. I don’t know how they do it. Like Obama, they’re better people than I am.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    I almost want to see them more than I want to see Trump’s at this point.

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    germy says:

    When they yearn for a return to civility, do they mean 1995?

    ‘You have insulted thousands of men and women who put their lives on the line.’ – @BernieSanders called out this congressman’s homophobia back in 1995 pic.twitter.com/OlAJ0GBIt2— NowThis (@nowthisnews) March 13, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @rikyrah:

    Yup, mysoginous framing from the MSM,

    Quelle suprise.

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    @rikyrah: Hey, that’s a president who once owned an airline! So he knows what’s what.

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    Kay says:

    They have a HUGE crew to do my new roof. I expected maybe 5. I think there are 11. They’re jamming though- this is going to be finished in no time.

    Yesterday they ate lunch in the garage and I got home from work and there was this odd circle of lawn chairs set up. It took me a minute to realize it was them- for a second I was like “someone had a party in the garage in the middle of the day on Monday” – when my middle son lived here that could be a real thing :)

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    Same is true for just about everything. Many of the pesticides we allow here, even for residential use, are banned by the EU.

    I’m sure it’s fine, totally fine.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: IIRC, the FAA has no top official because Trump wants to appoint the guy who flies his personal jets and Congress balked. The organization has almost certainly been hollowed out by budget cuts to fund tax relief for billionaires (like all the other agencies). As you said, we’ll pay for bad management and low-quality hires eventually; it’s just a matter of where. Looks like it’ll be loss of U.S. leadership on airline safety in the best case scenario, and deaths from planes falling out of the sky in the worst.

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    Jay says:

    @Kay:

    With roofing, 90% of the work is grunt work, not skill. Big crews with a couple of skilled workers makes a big difference.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    The question is – what – they can actually do. I’m sure the FA would be happy to be seen to be ‘doing something’ so people stop hassling them about it, but they’ve got no earthly idea what that might be. Pitch invasions are going steadily down, so it’s not a ‘growing’ problem they have to take drastic action about. If the general national miasma of anger and outbursts of misplaced violence is leaking out into sports is that something that fining or deducting points from the teams will stop? Armed Police at grounds? Is that something the FA would want?

    I think they’ll wait to see if charging the gobshites running on the pitch with assault and destroying their (social) lives puts people off copying their stupidity. If it does, great. If it continues or gets worse, they’ll do whatever they think makes them look good and doesn’t piss off the Big Clubs.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Scott Hechinger

    For context on Manafort’s 47 months in prison, my client yesterday was offered 36-72 months in prison for stealing $100 worth of quarters from a residential laundry room.
    4:06 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    My colleague’s client today was forced to plead out to the mandatory minimum of 3.5 years (5 months shy of Manafort) for simple possession of a firearm. No allegation of use. Prosecution wouldn’t drop top count after a hearing. Best they had been willing to do was 2 years. 4:09 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    15 years in prison for drug possession. You shouldn’t need more info than that to be outraged. But then learn: Juanita is a mother of 6. Her 18 year old is now head of household. Raising 5 kids. Crime is not even a felony in Oklahoma anymore. 4:22 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    Manafort was sentenced to less than a woman who voted while on probation without knowing she wasn’t allowed to. She was sentenced to 5 years. 4:28 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    Matthew Charles was released after 21 of his 35 year sentence for crack sale. Got a job, began volunteering, reconnected w/ family. The prosecution appealed. He was thrown back in jail. Fortunately, just released again. But should have never gone back. 4:36 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    16-year-old Kalief Browder was jailed on Rikers for 3.5 years, *pretrial,* for allegedly stealing a backpack. Committed suicide when released. City just settled for a paltry $3.3 million. Meanwhile cash bail still exists, Rikers still open, & 89% jailed there are Black or Latino. 4:39 PM – 7 Mar 2019

    And many many many many more.

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    Jay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    And Airbus and others kicking Boeing ass all around the block.

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    Momentary says:

    @MomSense: It’s a very special time to be a dual US/UK citizen. Double the fun!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: @Mary G: What would they have to say? Even smirking would be rubbing it in. And let’s not mention smirking while holding a sign that reads “HELLO TO THE 77000 PURITY ASSHOLES. FEELING GOOD ABOUT YOUR VOTES?”

    Hmmm….on second thought…

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    karen marie says:

    @PST: It sounds like you realize how lucky you are. Whenever you start to doubt your luck, think of me giving you a righteous kick in your ass. Cheers to you and “that girl” both.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Kay: Crop circles and phoning home are so 20th century.

    Unexplained lawn chair circles are in.

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    MomSense says:

    @Momentary:

    It’s a strange time, period. This DAR has been enjoying pictures and videos of the UK Fab Four (Kensington Royals) carrying out their official duties. Rolling in their graves my ancestors are. It’s just that our first family is so disgusting and I never knew seeing semi decent people carry out official functions is a need I have.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: That must be the new approach since I had eleven installing my new roof.

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    Tony Jay says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I have never understood whey they did not allow a second vote on whether the UK really wanted to go through with this, particularly as so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fantasy.

    You’ve answered your own question. The Quitters looked at how much delusion and outright fakery they had to weight the scales down with in 2016 before they got the result they wanted and realised they were never going to get away with that a second time.

    Plus, an overwhelming chunk of the Quit vote came from Tory voters, and an overwhelming majority of actual Tory Party members voted for Quit. Tory Party MPs who want to stay Tory Party MPs are terribly scared of being deselected by the white-haired radicals infesting their local parties if they try and talk any sense into them. Hence, the prolonged shit-slide of ‘negotiation’ we’ve been stuck on since 2017.

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    Momentary says:

    @MomSense: The best quote I saw right after the referendum was “If King Arthur doesn’t come back now, he’s never fucking coming!”

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    @MomSense: That does show you how low we’ve fallen.

    @rikyrah: The engineering honor society is Tau Beta Pi. When I taught at GMI, a bunch of students made T-shirts labelled Pi Beta Tau. There was an anchor on the back and the saying “Without us, there would be no curve.” Maybe legacy admits like W can at least serve that function. [insert eyeroll]

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    MomSense says:

    @Momentary:

    You might have more luck with Mary Poppins.

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @Jay: Brexit : Great Britain :: Half an inch of snow : Atlanta

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    geg6 says:

    @Kay:

    I’m not even sure this is about the acting FAA chief. Apparently, the head of Boeing gave Trump a million $ in campaign cash. In addition, he’s been sucking up to him for the last two years, ever since Trump threatened to shut down the Boeing contract for a new AF1. Said head of Boeing has been talking to Donnie the last couple of days, saying there’s no evidence of a problem with the plane and no one in the US has been complaining about it. First, it’s not true that here have been no complaints, as we can all now see. And two, Donnie fancies himself as an expert on planes and is now good buddies with Mr. Head of Boeing. Think those phone calls the last two days were just shooting the shit among buddies?

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    rikyrah says:

    Jim Roberts (@nycjim) Tweeted:
    Since the dawn of aviation, the US has set the standards for air safety. Now the world is ignoring the FAA in grounding Boeing 737 Max-8 gets. “What we’re looking at here is almost a rebellion against the FAA.” https://t.co/yD4cYSBlhZ https://t.co/Hir6fkx37J https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/1105798731801202689?s=17

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    MomSense says:

    @Joey Maloney:

    Hey you could row crew at Stanford for that!!

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    The USA is in a nose dive of our own. Pilot error? Flawed programming?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @MomSense:

    The USA is in a nose dive of our own. Pilot error? Flawed programming?

    Electoral college not serving its f’ing purpose?

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    Kay says:

    @geg6:

    Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the phone calls- but that’s the same problem in a way. Regulatory capture is corruption and so is Trump + CEO gross, mutual sucking up relationship.

    Because it isn’t just Boeing. US CEO’s participated in this fraudulent Ivanka “jobs forum” where they “pledged” jobs they already intended to hire. They went along with this fantasy. It’s disgusting. Wal Mart went in there, announced how many hires they intended to make in the upcoming years, and portrayed that as a “pledge” to Princess Ivanka. They worked with the Trump Administration to mislead the public and promote the Presidents gross, low quality nepotism hire.

    Trump is a team effort. A lot of powerful people see self-interest in this, and they’re all fucking cashing in.

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    NotMax says:

    @rikyrah

    Made me hearken back to when the four-engine Lockheed Electra entered service (1959) and was falling out of the sky with alarming regularity (wings ripping off tends to lead to that). The FAA did not ground them, it set a lower speed limit for them.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @MomSense: Bad fuel.

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    Nelle says:

    A friend flying yesterday out of Toronto was called and offered an earlier flight. He opted for that and found himself on a nearly empty flight. Yes, a Max 8. He’s a risk taker but he did pause and think about getting off. Could companies and governments ground planes partly because passengers are refusing the flights? I don’t know if that would cut losses or not.

    Meanwhile. We Americans climb aboard. After all, look at who is still “our” president?

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    @rikyrah: Our international reputation is in the toilet because our President is untrustworthy.

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    @MomSense: Sabotage and stupidity.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Jay: Yup. We had our roof redone last spring – it looked like we had a bunch of ants crawling all over the roof all day. They were at the house around 8 and done by about 5, including yard clean up. And they did two other houses on our street the same week

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    tobie says:

    @Nelle: The 737 Max fiasco seems to be resonating with the public in a way that most other stories of regulatory failure have not. The fear of flying is deep-seated. My mother called me yesterday to tell me not to fly with Southwest or American because they have a fleet of 737 Max’s. People sense: the govt is failing in its most basic functions.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    Maybe it’s good long term. The fracture of the reputations of a lot of our “institutions”. Maybe elite schools were over-valued anyway and that’s part of why stopped investing in the big state schools that turn out the VAST majority of all the professions.

    Because it’s gotten ridiculous. This idea that “talent” only exists at 5 elite private universities is not true and the people who are most invested in that idea are the graduates of those universities. They have an interest in perpetuating it. Why ARE they so over-represented in powerful circles? An engineer or manager from one of those schools is really wildly more valuable than people from a big state school that turns out thousands of engineers and managers year after year?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Jay:

    mysoginous

    You’re only one pair of transposed letters away now from getting it right. Good work!

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    The Toledo Blade, which we buy and read, announced they were putting in interns in journalism. The idea is local and regional newspapers are dying so they’re cultivating talent. Every one was from an elite private school.

    There is no more working class city than Toledo. They couldn’t pick a top graduate from a state school? They have two public universities within 100 miles of the city. They can’t promote a local kid who grew up in Toledo and got a free ride at an Ohio state school? This is what the rich family who OWN the Toledo Blade admire and value. Maybe they deserve to die. They’re dumb.

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    eclare says:

    @Kay: I only buy nail polish and products that are approved in the EU, the US regulatory system is non-existent.

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    rikyrah says:

    Thread

    Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) Tweeted:
    The juiciest, most revealing fact in the college-bribery story isn’t the Hollywood celebrities. It’s a guy named Bill, whose alleged involvement tells us everything we need to know about our age. https://t.co/VzXhDRvrJz https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1105543849181618176?s=17

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @rikyrah:

    Everyone should read that thread.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @tobie:

    The fear of flying is deep-seated.

    And completely irrational. You are at least an order of magnitude more likely to die in the car on the way to the airport as you are to die in a plane crash.

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    artem1s says:

    Clinton was abused, threatened, sneered at — she had her popular-vote win stolen by Republican traitors and their foreign purchasers — and she went right on with her work.

    Her greatest crime was not shriveling up and dying on demand. From the first time The Village shamed her for wearing headbands to earning 3M more votes than the Racist Dirtbag in Chief – more votes than any white man who ever ran for the WH. That is why she is an example for so many, even if you don’t look like her. Once I embraced that I shouldn’t allow anyone to embarrass me for admiring her, I realized that applied to me too. I am allowed to be my own champion and proudly stand up for myself. If she can get back off the carpet, so can I. The GOP crows so much about ‘winning’. I think they hate Hillary because she doesn’t define winning in the same way. She knows the influence she has had and has no desire to steal anyone’s thunder. She will stand up and cheer Stacy Abrams or Beto or OAC or Pelosi with gusto. She did so enthusiastically with Bill and Obama. She’s not going to quietly go off and bake cookies and that will drive the wingnuts crazy forever. Good for her.

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    raven says:

    @Gin & Tonic: EBOLA!!!!!

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    raven says:

    Stolen from a message board!

    The Family Trump has always been extremely concerned with heir worthiness.

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    Kay says:

    @eclare:

    That’s interesting. I had never heard it but it occurred to me with the cars, because obviously that sends a message to manufacturers- “you can palm off defective crap on this country, but not this other country”.

    They’ll end up with higher quality.

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    Baud says:

    @artem1s: Great comment.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @raven: We’re all gonna die!!!!1!!

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    RAVEN says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Nah, the experts here will ground the entire fleet! Them and Liz Warren

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    bemused says:

    Just read in WAPO trump administration preparing to close international immigration offices to “better leverage our funds to address backlogs in the US while also leveraging existing DOS resources”, USCIS Director L. Francis Cissna.

    I hate these people.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Momentary:

    @OzarkHillbilly: May is a deeply racist Little Englander who is very personally invested in ending immigration and EU freedom of movement. Her policies when she was heading the Home Office were vicious and cruel. So she herself very much does not want to agree to a customs union deal as that would require freedom of movement, in addition to trying to keep the support of the hard Brexiters who actually want no-deal.

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

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    MomSense says:

    @rikyrah:

    That’s the guy who has me fuming, too (see my rant upthread). Lock him up!!!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @RAVEN: In the last 10 years there has been one death on a US-certified or US-flagged airliner operating anywhere in the world.

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    @bemused: I posted about it in two threads yesterday.

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    raven says:

    @Gin & Tonic: My brother basically gave up the part of his law practice that related to air safety because it improved to the point that there was no business.

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    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    Are these unpaid interns? Only the progeny of the wealthy can afford those unpaid opportunities. My son had to complete an internship as a requirement for graduation and it was a significant hardship for us. For a liberal arts school that prides itself on social justice- it’s a big fucking blind spot.

    This is part of how the system is rigged. It takes a lot of money to make the connections that will in turn lead to making money.

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    One Canadian man lost his sister, his parents, brother-in-law, a nephew and a niece in the crash.

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    Jay C says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I have never understood whey they did not allow a second vote on whether the UK really wanted to go through with this, particularly as so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fantasy.

    Fundamentally, because the Leave people knew that they would lose a second vote, and destroy the whole rationale for breaking ties with the EU (and Euro-hate is far from a trivial factor in UK politics). The “lies and fantasy” bit is irrelevant to them: they got the result they wanted in the 2016 referendum, and have used it to leverage Brexit into a no-alternative situation – exactly what they wanted, public or national interests be damned (as they certainly will be)…

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    No, they’re paid. I tell my kids and my young clients not to work for free. Get paid. Something. If you don’t you’re voluntarily devaluing your own work. I don’t care if it’s 10 dollars an hour. Get paid for work, unless it’s volunteer work that YOU choose. That’s an important connection to keep intact the “work= pay” connection.

    I’m just baffled by it. The Toledo Blade thinks so little of Ohio public colleges they don’t hire them? That’s fucked up. It’s insane, is what it is. They’re ALL somehow lesser than Ivy League grads? Bullshit. It’s a lie.

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    rikyrah says:

    Why the GOP’s paid-family-leave plan is not what it appears to be
    03/13/19 09:20 AM
    By Steve Benen

    Sens. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Mike Lee (R-Utah), two of the most conservative members of the Senate, sat down for an interview with CBS News this week to tout their paid-family-leave plan, called the “Cradle Act.” Asked why the United States is so far behind the rest of the world on this issue, Ernst didn’t hesitate.

    “We’ve decided now is the time to step up and really do something about this,” the Iowa Republican said. “We think it’s time to catch up with other countries.”

    That may sound encouraging, but there’s less here than meets the eye.

    The GOP duo promoted their proposal with a new op-ed in the Washington Post, touting the virtues of paid family leave “without burdening either employers or taxpayers.”

    Our proposal, the Cradle Act, would allow both natural and adoptive parents to receive one, two or three months of paid leave benefits. A few decades down the road, those parents would then “pay” for the benefit themselves by delaying their own retirement for two, four or six months.

    To choose the paid parental leave option, parents would first have to notify the Social Security Administration of their plan to take paid leave before the expected birth or adoption. Then, after parents applied for their baby’s Social Security number, payments would begin in two weeks.

    If this sounds at all familiar, it’s because the Ernst/Lee plan is very similar to the “Economic Security for New Parents Act” unveiled by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), which we discussed last year.

    In practice, both suffer from the same fundamental flaw: the plans are less of a benefit and more of a loan, from you to you.

    In nearly every advanced democracy on the planet, new parents receive paid family leave as a benefit of citizenship, like health care, police protection, and public libraries. Funding mechanisms vary, but the programs tend to be financed through tax dollars, government mandates on private industry, or some combination therein.

    Under the Republican vision in the United States, families should have similar benefits, just so long as they pay for it themselves by sacrificing future Social Security benefits.

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    rikyrah says:

    Trump admin assurances on plane’s safety ring hollow abroad
    Rachel Maddow reports on worldwide concerns about potential safety problems with the Boeing 737 MAX 8 and why perceptions of Donald Trump as compromised by poor judgment and susceptibility to manipulation have undermined the authority of the FAA and isolated the United States.
    March 12, 2019

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    rikyrah says:

    US withdraws embassy personnel from Venezuela as crisis worsens
    Rachel Maddow reports on the recent timeline the U.S. disposition toward Venezuela, culminating in the withdrawal last night of all remaining U.S. diplomatic personnel from the embassy as conditions become more dire.
    March 12, 2019

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Kay:

    “someone had a party in the garage in the middle of the day on Monday” – when my middle son lived here that could be a real thing :)

    But it didn’t smell like weed after the roofers were there

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I take it you’ve never worked a roofing crew?

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    bemused says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Sorry I missed your post.

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    Aleta says:

    picture picture

    The protest outside Fox news is beginning.

    Angelo Carusone @GoAngelo

    Tucker Carlson red face ranting about Media Matters. He calls for us to be us shut down.
    Not sure how that changes that he said that stuff in the past or changes that Fox News is toxic to advertisers.
    We’ll just keep doing what we do. Onward!

    Oh, he also lied. Carlson claimed George Soros funds us. That is actually not true. Just typical Soros conspiracy talk from Fox. We are a modest nonprofit and rely on donations from many many people.

    I run Media Matters. There is no such list.
    We do however keep a list of Fox News advertisers and update people on them. Here:

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    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh
    Me too 😠😠

    April (@ReignOfApril) Tweeted:
    Thinking about how Fox News (and many others) shamed all those Black kids who publicly celebrated after getting into a dozen or more elite schools.

    And I am enraged anew. https://twitter.com/ReignOfApril/status/1105598651433406465?s=17

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    Mandalay says:

    @Tony Jay:

    It’s the political equivalent of sending out “I HATE YOU, YOU UGLY PRICK. NEVER CALL ME AGAIN.” texts to everyone on your phone, blocking all their numbers, and then taking huge amounts of special-K and hanging around in the red-light district in a pair of short-shorts thinking “This is how I’ll make real friends.”

    Possibly the finest sentence ever written on BJ. You really need to start a blog.

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    Aleta says:

    @Aleta: The last link (doesn’t work) goes to http://dropfox.com 
    I don’t see a list of FN advertisers there; instead there’s a signup to be informed.
    Media Matters description of today’s protest:

    Fox will host advertisers Wednesday morning in an attempt to deflect recent defections from companies wary of comments by the network’s hosts and the increasingly bad reputation of the channel. Fox “Tucker Carlson Tonight” host Tucker Carlson is currently weathering a storm over his appearances on “The Bubba the Love Sponge Show” radio show, where Carlson made misogynistic, homophobic, and racist comments and appeared to excuse child rape. 

     Jeanine Pirro, whose show “Justice with Judge Jeanine” is reportedly a favorite of President Donald Trump, provoked outrage days earlier with a segment on her show in which she implied that Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) was incapable of loyalty to the Constitution because Omar, one of the first two Muslim women ever elected to Congress,  wears a hijab.

    That’s made companies wary of airing commercials on the channel. In a report on the meeting, Variety reporter Brian Steinberg noted that the motivation for keeping existing advertisers and enticing more of them is heightened when many Fox company properties are about to be sold to the Disney Company. 

    Keeping the ad dollars flowing at Fox News is critical – not only for the network, but for its parent company, 21st Century Fox.

    At some point in the next few months, Fox is slated to sell the bulk of its cable and studio assets to Walt Disney Co. The remaining company, known as Fox Corporation, will rely on not only Fox News and Fox Business Network, but Fox Sports and Fox Broadcasting. The Fox News unit has contributed around 20% of the overall company’s operating profit. In a pared-down structure, it might be more.

    From Common Dreams

    At this event, Fox will try to pitch advertisers who have fled that they should come back – especially to advertise on the network’s “news” programming – and that their remaining advertisers should increase their buys. But advertisers should not be fooled: No matter when you advertise on Fox News, you support the network’s extremism and bigotry. Quarantining your ads to only a small subset of programs will not insulate your brand from public rebuke when Fox News’ next controversy strikes. Both the “news side” and the “opinion side” are cogs in the same propaganda machine. The network as a whole is the problem, not merely a few prime-time hosts.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @rikyrah: Former SecTransportation LaHood has publicly stated, by way of reminder that current SecTransportation Chao has the authority to ground those planes, regardless of any action by the FAA. Of course, being in her position because she’s married to McConnell what is the actual likelihood that she rocks that particular boat?

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    Kay says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    It didn’t. Smell like weed. They have a little microwave too. I should probably stop snooping around in their break area.

    I’ve spoken with the person who appears to be the “foreman”, Neil, about a side job I need him for- to put in a door. It’s a Saturday so Lance the owner shouldn’t mind. Does he hate free enterprise? You don’t own them, Lance.

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    Kay says:

    Patrick Rodenbush
    ‏@pnrodenbush
    Follow Follow @pnrodenbush
    More
    I’m all for more people who want independent redistricting commissions, but has anyone told Howard Schultz they were part of #HR1? You know, the massive voting rights bill that didn’t receive a single vote from the GOP in the House.

    Howard Schultz is actively making the public dumber. This is like the third time he’s portrayed an idea that thousands of people have, and have acted on, as “his”.

    He’s not as well informed as the top 20% of VOTERS. There have been redistricting referendums! They were big news!

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    rikyrah says:

    @tobie:

    @Nelle: The 737 Max fiasco seems to be resonating with the public in a way that most other stories of regulatory failure have not. The fear of flying is deep-seated

    .

    Just checking the Southwest Twitter feed…people are absolutely crazy about this. They are very attentive.

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    Aleta says:

    @rikyrah: And the times Fox did that to support white kids who weren’t accepted to a school and were suing it — the purpose being to challenge affirmative action policies.

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    R-Jud says:

    @Mandalay: Yes, if Cole or another front-pager wants to draft someone to do a guest blog about Brexit, I nominate Tony.

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    ellie says:

    @Kay: I grew up in Rossford and I went to BGSU and obtained a journalism degree. I couldn’t even get an interview at The Blade. This was back in the ’90s. They have been hiring Ivy League for a long time.

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    Aleta says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Maybe cause they’re up on the roof. (The last roofers we had, someone even came by trying to buy from them, we heard.)

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    frosty says:

    @rikyrah: I’m booked on Southwest on the 23rd. Hoping for grounding before then.

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    J R in WV says:

    @rikyrah:

    Newly-released tapes capture Fox News host @TuckerCarlson:
    • Describing Iraqis as “semiliterate primitive monkeys”
    • Crediting “white men” with “creating civilization”
    • And comparing women to “dogs”

    Doesn’t this put Fucker Carlson into the Incel movement? Permanently? What woman would even want to be in a car with this piece of shit? I mean even to share a cab into town from LGA?

    A hate-filled raving idiot!

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    J R in WV says:

    @rikyrah:

    Bradley Whitford (@WhitfordBradley) Tweeted:
    Incredibly weird that @SenSanders has lied about when he would release his taxes(said he would, never did last cycle)and still has not done it after announcing his second run for President.Enabling the norm-busting corrupt refusal of @realDonaldTrump to release his taxes is nuts

    No, it isn’t nuts at all.

    They are both, “Senator” Sanders and “President” Trump, subject to control by Russian intelligence organizations and at the top Vladimir Putin. Senator Sanders was originally a Marxist who visited the Soviet Union in the long ago, and has been subject to Kompromat ever since. He can’t release his tax returns, as they will show his sources of income, some of which are Kompromising. Same for President Trump

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