Wednesday Evening Open Thread: White Man’s Burden

I’m never sure, with Yglesias, when he’s deliberately tweaking the Church of the Savvy, and when he’s just moving through his environment with the efficiency of a fish in water. But, snark or not, there does seem to be a point approaching where both Beto and Biden need to either declare themselves candidates or pass…

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    feebog says:

    I think Beto is in and will announce it tomorrow. Biden wants to be the last major player in. Don’t get the strategy, but maybe it will work.

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    Too soon for all this inside baseball crap. I’m one post away from shutting it all out entirely.

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    geg6 says:

    Rumor is he plans to announce tomorrow or Friday. Don’t know how reliable the rumor is. Beto, that is. Don’t have a clue about Biden.

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    Baud says:

    Lots of buzz about both coming in soon.

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    HT Goller says:

    Biden seems to be asking everybody in this life for permission to run for president. This really bothers me. I’m fine with people wanting to be president. In fact I prefer it. The job is difficult enough it. Let me know that you actually want to be there.

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    ruemara says:

    I sincerely am so over MattY’s sarcastic know-it-all schtick since he definitely knows not much at all.

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    Baud says:

    I heard a fairly serious rumor that Sen. Bennett of Colorado was going to jump in. Not sure who else is still on the table.

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    lamh36 says:

    A person I know who’s politcal saavy and followed Beto during his Senate run and keeps up w/all things Beto said months ago that Beto was gonna run.

    So if he declares, I’m not surprised. There has also been some “big news” talk from Gillum and the talk of Abrams also thinking bout POTUS 2020. I’d still say Beto, Gillum and Abrams if any or all get in…are running for VP…and anyone of them have strengths that would make them both good choices.

    I still don’t think Abrams or Gillum will run for Prez.

    As I’ve said before…of the 3, Beto is most likely to lose a second Senate run that’s based alot on my time living in Texas, and still having family and friends there. Beto had to rely on the Hispanic voting bloc in Texas to come out for him (call me a cynic, but i think it’s likely they won’t) and for enough of the more conservative white folk to chose him over Corbyn, and the youth vote to come out (that may depend on who the top of the Dem ticket). Gillum and Abrams both came much closer than Beto and without the glaring election frauds and disenfranchisement going on in FL/GA. For Gillum in FL w/ex-cons now being able to vote and the bullshit investigation in Tallahassee that gillum was cleared of…and the Black vote in GA for Abrams along w/folks being more aware of efforts to disenfranchise their votes…means IMHO that Gilluma and Abrams are good bets for Senate seats.

    I think in terms of VP choices, there is a better chance of Abrams or Gillum bringing their states over to the Dem ticket side than Beto’s…IMHO, Texas is farther from being in the Dem path than GA and FL has gone Dem before when the stars align.

    I guess Beto could increase the Dem’s electoral college numbers, but so cold Abrams and Gillum in their respective states.

    So based on that…I think Beto’s thinking he has a better chance for the Presidential ticket than against Corybn in Texas, who I just don’t believe Texans hate him as much as they do Ted…and Beto still lost to Ted

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    NotMax says:

    Misfired: Matt Yglesias.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Someone on BJ posted the vanity fair article — this afternoon — that announces he’s in.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hey Betty…

    So…what do you guys think the big news is for Gillum?

    Is their a Senate seat the Dems could try to win or retain in Florida?

    Or maybe a Representative?

    ETA: Oooh someone said he may challenge Rubio…is Rubio up in 2020 or 2022?

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax: Perspired: Matthew Whitaker

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Baud: Oh, fuck no. Not Hickenlooper *and* Bennett! Come on, white guy Dems from Colorado! Get into the Senate and STAY in the Senate where you can actually do some good!

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    lamh36 says:

    Hmmm…what was the reason FB gave for being down?

    7m7 minutes ago
    While Facebook is down for hours today, NYT drops this news: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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    trollhattan says:

    Leave it to somebody from Colorado to leap in late and literally suck the oxygen out of the room!


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    Jay says:

    “TPM found that Yang, through a Florida-based company called GY US Investments LLC, was also using proximity to Trump and his properties to peddle so-called investor visas. Under the EB-5 visa program, foreign citizens can get a conditional two-year U.S. green card in exchange for making certain investments. Mother Jones first reported the existence of GY US Investments.”

    “But who is she trying for? Is Mrs. Yang just a shameless grifter, or is she reporting to the Chinese government from the president’s private club, where he gives all guests a front row seat to international negotiations by conducting them on the lanai during dinner? Foreign Policy reports that Cindy Yang is a member of several civic groups used to promote Chinese Communist Party policies abroad:”

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: 2022, I believe. He was reelected in 2016.

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    Baud says:


    The Senate voted 54-46 Wednesday to pass a resolution ending U.S. military assistance for the Saudi-led war in Yemen. The vote crossed party lines, in what is seen as a rebuke of President Donald Trump’s defense of Saudi Arabia over the last few months.

    The bill, sponsored by Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT), Chris Murphy (D-CT), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT), invokes the War Powers Resolution of 1973, which gives Congress the power to call for a withdrawal of military troops in the absence of a formal declaration of war.

    The Senate passed a similar resolution in December — the first time Congress has invoked the War Powers Resolution since it was first passed — but the bill failed in the House of Representatives. This version, however, is more likely to make it to the president’s desk, after Democrats took back control of the House in January.

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    lamh36 says:

    Samuel L Jackson is a NATURAL TREASURE!

    A lot of people like to say they don’t give a fuck. Samuel L. Jackson simply doesn’t…
    You’ve been vocal about Trump. A lot of people have their beliefs but are careful about stating them, because they don’t want to jeopardize their career.
    I think we feel the same way that all of the motherfuckers that hated Obama felt for eight years. So they said all that shit. They put fucking pictures up on the Internet of Michelle sitting with her legs crossed with a dick hanging down. We feel the same way that they feel or they felt about Obama being the man, even though he wasn’t fucking ruining their lives; he was trying to help their lives.

    This motherfucker is like ruining the planet and all kinds of other crazy shit. And the people think that’s okay. It’s not fucking okay. And if you’re not saying anything, then you’re complicit. And I wouldn’t give a fuck if I was a garbageman and I had a Twitter account; I’d tweet that shit out. I’m not thinking about who I am and what my job is when I do that shit…

    Do you worry about antagonizing fans?
    I know how many motherfuckers hate me. “I’m never going to see a Sam Jackson movie again.” Fuck I care? If you never went to another movie I did in my life, I’m not going to lose any money. I already cashed that check. Fuck you. Burn up my videotapes. I don’t give a fuck. “You’re an actor. Stick to acting.” “No, motherfucker. I’m a human being that feels a certain way.” And some of this shit does affect me, because if we don’t have health care, shit, and my relatives get sick, they’re going to call my rich ass. I want them to have health care. I want them to be able to take care of themselves. This is how I feel. And I count to one hundred some days before I hit “send,” because I know how that shit is…

    The entire Esquire article is pretty great!

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: That is perfect.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Baud: would it be too early for Gillum to announce a run against Rubio?

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    lamh36 says:


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    Miss Bianca says:

    OK, whoever recommended this Brexit commentary in one of the previous threads did me a solid. I actually L’dOL at these lines:

    May herself ploughs on. It’s as if someone has popped a grey wig on Munch’s The Scream, then cast it in an ITV drama about the female governor of a category-A prison.

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    NotMax says:


    Personally think it’s a strategic mistake. Super high risk of being trounced early and ending up becoming a political footnote, possibly forever more.

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    lamh36 says:

    I don’t have HBO, but I am tempted to get it for a bit just to see this. I’m lab tech…to this was a BIG deal in the lab when it was all coming out…so this doc is DEF in my wheelhouse

    The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley (2019) | Official Trailer … via @YouTube

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    zhena gogolia says:


    One t, please. Like Elizabeth Darcy.

    Beto’s on the next cover of Vanity Fair.

    I’m still for Harris.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @lamh36: Oh, that is righteous! The best thing is, I could hear it in my head, as I read it, in Samuel L’s voice – which made it all the sweeter.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I agree with him 100%.

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    chris says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Americans: for the Home Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer to vote against a three line whip is about as likely as the US Vice-President and Speaker of the House telling the POTUS to fuck right off, in precisely those words, to his face, *in public*.This doesn't happen.— Charlie Stross (@cstross) 13 March 2019

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    kindness says:

    I like both Beto & Bidden, but not for president this time. Beto, msybe another year. Bidden, you done good my man. Retire with pride.

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    Pogonip says:

    I think Americans of all persuasions should set all other issues aside for now and unite on this one. Battle plan needs to include some provision for the thousands of people who would lose their jobs if a sane medical system were instituted, and it’s not just the employees of insurance companies. My doctor needs two extra people in his small practice to deal with insurance companies and my pharmacist estimates she spends an average of about 30 hoursca week on same.

    I’m going to put this up everywhere I can and I will come up with a plan as a starter point and put that up everywhere I can too. Adam, in case I get banned, what’s your e-mail? You would be a great person to begin to revise my starter plan when it doesn’t survive contact with the enemy. 😄

    This particular series of tweets is a powerful weapon against insurance companies and the politicians they own because people from many different countries weighed in with eye-opening facts. (Many Americans have no idea what goes on elsewhere). I suggest putting it out everywhere you can. Allons, mes enfants!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Meh. I’m not getting too wound up about anyone running just yet. There were at least 8 major candidates in the 2008 primary, and not everyone making an announcement is going to make it all the way to an actual primary or caucus. 🤷‍♀️

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    KarenH says:

    @NotMax: I agree. I worked hard on his Senate campaign, but I’m not committing yet on the presidential campaign.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @lamh36: Sam’s the man. Hardest-working man in show biz and tells it like it is.

    As for Beto / Biden…sure, why not? What worries / annoys me, if social media is an accurate indicator (and it may not be, since the Bernie bros seem to have been loudly reactivated), is that any ‘sin’ against liberalism is going to be dissected to the core. Corey Booker is being crucified by voting against Bernie’s stupid pharma amendment many years ago that was clearly not going to pass but was a trap set for a moment like this. Anyone but Wilmer or Tulsi Gabbard, thank you very much. I’m not going to get too bogged down / attached to a particular candidate at this point, since some of them are undoubtedly going to be long gone by the time New York gets to vote, whenever that is.

    It may also be a sign that I’m in middle age now – none of these candidates have really lit me up. Just give me the person who is most likely going to beat the asshole sitting in the White House right now. Realistically – and I hate to say it – but Biden, by far, is the candidate who fits that bill the best.

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    Plato says:

    @Miss Bianca:
    That’s some scathing writing.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: People who look in the mirror in the morning and see a POTUS looking back at them are different than you and me.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @lamh36: I don’t know what Gillum will announce next week, but I don’t think it’ll be a presidential bid. He’s talked a lot about flipping the state blue and how Democrats, including himself, haven’t been able to win the top job statewide for 20-plus years. Maybe he plans to launch an organization to fight voter suppression and do voter outreach for Florida Democrats. God knows we could use the help, and if he does decide to take a run at Rubio or seek a rematch with DeSantis in 2022, that sort of effort could pay off.

    BTW, Gillum still has an ethics hearing to face; I think it’s scheduled for next month. He was cleared of soliciting gifts (conveniently for the GOP, not until after the 2018 election), but he wasn’t cleared of accepting gifts, and honestly, it looks like maybe he did? The charges are kind of small potatoes in the scheme of things, but it looks bad. I’d be surprised if he announces a run for anything until that mess is cleared up.

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    @zhena gogolia: Por que no los dos?
    I think Kamala /Beto is a very strong ticket.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    from the O’Bros newsletter

    “We need help sending some text messages tomorrow morning.” -Beto O’Rourke’s Senate campaign team, in emails to volunteers. Also, when you unsubscribe from his email list, you get a mopey note that says, “Email is how we keep in touch and share important updates about how you can be part of our campaign to elect Beto for president.”

    Word a couple of weeks ago was that Biden had already started hiring. I guess he can always pay them off and say thanks, but I’ll be really surprised if he doesn’t run

    As several others have said, I’m pretty much on the sidelines.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    a three line whip

    That sounds like it could be fun, if you’re in the right mood.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    Adam, in case I get banned,

    The self-pitying bullshit is winning no friends.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Plato: Oh, it just gets better and better. Or worse and worse, depending on your perspective.

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    Jay says:


    When posting 2nd hand tweets, everything after the question mark, the “ref_src=“ stuff, is unneeded, it just references the 2nd hand source for the tweet. Deleting it from the link is “cleaner”.

    Because a lot of people don’t follow links, or want to waste data, it’s a good idea to copy the full tweet in the tweet thread, so that people can decide if they want to go there.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think that’s a clue.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Jay: Thank you!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I agree. A commenter I usually find both sensible and agreeable going off the rails and spewing a creamy and delicious blend of reverse-snobbery classist/sexist bile *and* self-pity, is a spectacle I find rather nauseous, to be honest.

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    @Miss Bianca: How are you holding up? Did they figure out what happened to your Luna? {{ }}

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    lamh36 says:

    lol…let’s hope this isn’t a bad omen for Beto.

    It’s even the same writer!

    Follow Follow @FreddieCampion
    Just remembered the last time a Conde Nast publication dressed a young Democratic hopeful in smart-casual workwear and posed them next to a dog and pickup truck in a cover story shot by Annie Leibovitz.

    LOL…the political world is too small aint’ it.

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    lamh36 says:

    Yeah…I’m thinking Beto’s a bigger threat to Bernie than Biden.

    Black folk know Biden.

    Young folk like Beto.

    The only one with Bernie overlap is Beto..

    59s60 seconds ago
    More Marcus H. Johnson Retweeted Nelini Stamp
    I think Bernie’s campaign hopes that Beto is a bigger threat to Biden. I don’t think that is the case though. Bernie depended heavily on young voters and independents, groups which naturally would be drawn to a Beto candidacy if he takes off

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    feebog says:

    Beto just texted an El Paso newspaper that he is in.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @ruemara: Years ago, I used to wonder where pundits came from. How did George Will get to be George Will? Who decided David Brooks would be David Brooks?

    But then I watched as Matt Y became Matt Y. And Ezra became Ezra and McMegan become McMegan…etc., etc.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Actually, other than that Cole has a good-sized audience, I would not care if I were banned, but people like Adam need to be lending their expertise to this life-and-death battle, so I do want to be able to reach him in the unlikely event I have a good idea he hasn’t already thought of. None of which would need to be explained to you if you had an IQ larger than my bra size. However, all Americans, even Idiot- Americans such as yourself, will be needed, so stop wasting time on Mean Girl nonsense and do your best to write a grown- up letter to your Congresscritter, referencing that series of tweets. I am now finished with you—and the rest of the Mean Girls—there being more important things afoot.

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    lamh36 says:

    @feebog: pretty sure that was a mess up. they were gonna do it tomorrow…but then someone message home paper and bloop home paper let cat out of the bag tonight

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Pogonip:No one has threatened to ban your silly ass, and several commenters explained the rules in response to your many crybaby comments about it in yesterday’s thread. Lying about what people write and vindictive concern-trolling about fellow commenters’ mental health or social status may result in folks concluding that you are a liar and an asshole, but it won’t get you banned, at least not by me. So, carry on, lying asshole!

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    chris says:

    @Gin & Tonic: No doubt PM May agrees.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Ohio Mom: I think they look for people who look good on TV and will keep talking NO MATTER WHAT.

    I know you’ve been writing your reps frantically about The Issue for years, as I have. If We The People unite, we can win. No more type 1 diabetics dying for lack of a medicine discovered decades ago. If we unite, we can do it.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    None of which would need to be explained to you if you had an IQ larger than my bra size.

    Very clever. You’ve been working on that line for a while, no?

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    Pogonip says:

    @Pogonip: @Betty Cracker: Please join us in the medical crusade, thanks!

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    tobie says:

    I just checked and it looks like Super Tuesday will host primaries in a bunch of states with hometown candidates: California (Harris), Massachusetts (Warren), Oklahoma (Warren), Texas (Castro, O’Rourke), Minnesota (Klobuchar), and Vermont (Sanders). This should be interesting. The full primary schedule is here.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Please join us in the American medical crusade, thanks!

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    Another Scott says:

    @Pogonip: Agreed it’s powerful. I thought the same when I posted a pointer to that twitter thread here a few days/weeks ago. I think I saw it on LOLGOP.

    Please stop with the “when I’m banned stuff”. It makes you look like a crank. ;-)


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    It may also be a sign that I’m in middle age now

    You’re not.

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    Pogonip says:

    Preliminary suggestions: Write, write, write.

    Get those insurance-company atrocity stories out to everyone you can think of, especially your rep.

    Hang onto that series of tweets, and when you see misinformation about the government rationing medical care, share it. Many Americans have no idea what life is like elsewhere. I guess Farcebook is a hotbed of such misinformation.

    Neurologist Dr. Grumpy once wrote an article about how there’s a lot of rationing of medical care in America, not by the government but by insurance companies. Maybe retired medical personnel can be persuaded to weigh in on this as well.

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    nick macGuffin says:

    Beto made a Texas Senate race interesting for a few months, but his resume is far too thin compared to the other declared candidates. He needs more experience in elective before I’d consider him ready to be President or Vice President. As for Biden, first and foremost he’s far too old for the job. Compared to the other declared candidates, I find uncle Joe profoundly uninspiring. He has 0% gravitas and I can’t take 4 years of verbal gaffes from him. He should do the nation a favor and stay out of this race.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Another Scott: I got it off Naked Capitalism.

    Of course I’m cranky! I live or die at the whim of some megacorp! 😜

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    WhatsMyNym says:

    @tobie: Washington State will move their primary to March 10 if the Governor signs the Bill (Gov. Inslee) . The Democratic Party is going to decide in April whether to start using the primary results or caucus to allocate delegates to the conventions. They will still have to caucus to select the delegates.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @lamh36: Ouch! But that is funny in a way.

    I remember when I was *so* impressed with John Edwards. Makes me embarrassed to recall.

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    Baud says:

    @WhatsMyNym: I hope they fix that. In 2016, the difference between the caucus and primary turnout and results was an embarrassment to democracy.

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    lamh36 says:

    This is an example of the twitter/social media bubble –>

    I think it’s a bad take.

    but Ima need some of ya’ll SM “stars” to get out of ur twitter/SM bubble and actually talk to folks who DON’T have a twitter or instagram & who are more likely to vote than many who do, when it comes to Biden

    Yes, Biden has issues (I’d consider them vaild ones or sure), but there is something to be said for name recognition and known quantities when it comes to those who vote REGULARLY. Joe Biden to those folks, is someone they know already…or at least someone they might feel they arleady know and have good feeling

    At the very least, and especially if Biden joins the race, the Obamas will do their best to show no preference for any one candidate. But Biden, was PBOs loyal an trustiful VP for 8 years, so Biden will start with the “assumed” Obama approved banner along w/maybe Kamala Harris since he actively campaigned for her during her Senate run

    IJS…I don’t assume cause SM activist have issue w/Biden, that those who you can count on to vote in the primaries or even the gneral do…time will tell of course

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I thoroughly disagree with his description of Iowa, but other than that

    TBogg @ tbogg
    Not speaking about Beto, but I’m still unsure why so many Democrats who have no chance of securing the nomination are jumping into the race. Just having to go to Iowa would be a nonstarter for me.

    That’s like a place you escape from — although still not as bad as Indiana.

    Gabbard’s a crank, Schultz is goofy, a few others I think are kidding themselves, or us, but Eric Swalwell doesn’t strike me as dumb or kooky. What the hell is he doing?

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    Fair Economist says:

    It’s the middle of March. It’s certainly not too late to announce. Neither Clinton nor Trump announced until summer. Pretty sure they are both in and are trying to time their annoucements for max effect, which is their perogative.

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    Dan B says:

    @Pogonip: The first rule of organizing is to find ways to value people and for people to like you. Ideas don’t create change on their own. To catch fire they have to stir souls.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: Yeah, we’ll see. Name recognition certainly helps in a crowded field if voters are having a tough time deciding.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    This fuckin’ guy

    Howard Schultz @ HowardSchultz
    I challenge anyone running for president to commit to not nominate a Supreme Court justice unless they can be confirmed by two-thirds of the Senate.

    I suspect there’s a couple of shots of Tito’s in his morning (and afternoon, and evening, and two a.m.) frappucinos

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’s not even workable even if someone were dumb enough to commit to it.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Pogonip: The only way the health care coverage mess in this country is going to get completely sorted out is if we Democrats own the presidency and both houses. Unfortunately, the path to that isn’t all that clear at the moment.

    But I get your panic. Every time I hear noises about Medicaid cuts (via instituting block granting to the states or through another mechanism), my blood pressure shoots straight up.

    That’s the source of Ohio Son’s health coverage, and also the funding for the agencies that keep him busy and productive during the day. Hopefully, Medicaid will also be the source of the funding that will provide him with supervised living when his dad and I are too old and frail to do so, or dead.

    As you probably know, every state administers Medicaid a little differently. I had to give up my dream of moving to Massachusetts when I learned that autistics without Intellectual Disability (the condition formally known as mental retardation) don’t qualify there.

    Where do you live?

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    Cannot (and would not) speak for you but hell’s bells, people who look in the mirror in the morning – period – are different than I.


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    lamh36 says:

    @Baud: heres the thing…Biden DEF has issues, but I’m telling ya’ll Biden still has that “PBO” adjacent glow for some folks.

    I promise you, outside of the blogosphere and political social media…Biden is liked by folks who are consistent voters…so yah…he starts at higher place by virtue of being Obama adjacent…other folks will have to do what they can to bring Biden down a peg, WITHOUT seeming to also seem to be also dinging agaisnt Obama.

    I think it’s def a harder thing for some of the folks to do…(Bernie Sanders) than others…

    ETA: I also expect the Obamas to no say anything or obviously campaign for any Presidential candidate until after the primaries…but even before that…but the Obamas complete silence during the primaries may say something to some folks for sure

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    Pogonip says:

    @Dan B: Oh, someone younger and much more photogenic than I will lead the movement. Also, a bout of pneumonia at 15 stripped my vocal cords from nonstop coughing, ruining my voice. I can’t imagine anyone being able to tolerate listening to me croak out a speech or an interview.

    MY goal is to help get those tweets wide exposure in hope of making it cool to be against rapacious insurance companies and their rationing of medical care, and to make it cool to know how things are elsewhere. Americans get very little truthful international news. Many people genuinely believe that life-saving treatment is rationed out everywhere but here. And when they find out otherwise, it’s too late.

    I think that, with wide enough exposure, those tweets from foreigners can be the Rosa Parks of the American Medical Care movement. And then, if it gets that far, the movement’s Reverend King will come along in due time.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    What a terrible indictment of the entire health care system in this country! That you and your son are constrained in your mobility based solely on care services available … it really does break the heart. I’m very glad you ended up in a place that offers you good services, but I hate that you have to calculate your entire life around those considerations.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @lamh36: Fair point. A lot of folks who follow politics closely dismiss Biden right off the bat because his prior history as a presidential candidate is frankly embarrassing. But the difference now is that he’s running on the record of being a strong VP to a successful president for eight years. That’s a huge difference.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @lamh36: I’m not happy agreeing with you because I’m of the group that thinks Biden should want to retire on his current high note, but I think you are right about lots of people feeling comfortable about recognizing his name.

    Add to that the people who still aren’t comfortable with the idea of a woman president or who are still not comfortable with the idea of a POC being president (maybe they like Obama but think that was a lucky fluke), or anybody else who is too different from the stereotype… I’m not saying I endorse these viewpoints, just that they are out there. I guess we’ll see how strong these feelings are soon enough.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    hell’s bells, people who look in the mirror in the morning – period – are different than I.

    The bells of hell go ting-a-ling-a-ling
    For you but not for me….

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    Jeffro says:

    We interrupt the Democratic hand-wringing to bring you the following, from the USA Today I picked up in the hotel lobby just now:

    Iowa GOP voters give trumpov an 81% approval rating…90% want him to run a positive (LOL) re-election (LOLOL) campaign…but get this: 40% of them want trumpov to have a primary, 41% don’t, and 19% are unsure.

    That’s just fucking insane. That is SUPER-weak. That’s a GOP that is sick and tired of this guy and his tweets and corruption and all of it. 3/5 of his own party aren’t in his corner. Meanwhile, yeah we have a gazillion Dems running but just like 2018, we are going to be motivated as all get-out as the corruption and scandals and investigations and the sheer stupidity drags out for another 20 months.

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    JGabriel says:


    As I’ve said before…of the 3, Beto is most likely to lose a second Senate run that’s based alot on my time living in Texas, and still having family and friends there.

    I don’t have any connections in TX, but that sums up my impression of Beto too.

    If Beto couldn’t beat an unpopular, nauseating, weasel-faced asshole like Cruz in a Senate race, then I don’t see him beating Trump or Cornyn either.

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    Baud says:


    I’ll feel a little bad for Hillary because I think the main difference between her and Biden is misogyny, but if he’s the best candidate to take on Trump, so be it.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, I can (barely) deal with Archer’s voice being used in the Arby’s commercials, but I just cannot cope with Archer’s voice coming out of the non-Archerness that is H. Jon Benjamin.

    ETA: Yet I’m okay with Judy Greer (Cheryl) in the Hilton ads.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Ohio Mom: I’m in the U. S. too. We can do it. We just need to organize. I suggest not putting all your faith in one party. It was a Democrat—either Hillary or Pelosi, if I remember right—who said single-payer, i. e. real reform was “off the table.” I say work with Democrats, Republicans, Mean Girls, Mean Guys, anyone who will join the cause. Even a former insurance-company executive, Wendell Potter, is now on the side of righteousness.

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    Baud says:

    @Jeffro: Don’t matter. They’ll come home. We just have to come out stronger.

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    heres the thing…Biden DEF has issues, but I’m telling ya’ll Biden still has that “PBO” adjacent glow for some folks.

    Maybe so, but a big chunk of that is that he was allowed to play the lovable sidekick for 8 years rather than the leading role. If he runs, all of his personal foibles and flaws that people were willing to overlook will be on display. It’s the same thing that really hurt Hillary. When she was working as Obama’s subordinate, people liked her because they could focus on her competence doing her job. Once she was running for office, they focused on all the stuff they disliked about her and she didn’t have any contemporary work to balance it out. Biden will suffer the same fate.

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    chris says:

    Sanity break. a wild Manul (Pallas cat) and her four kittens. Beyond cute.

    Hello kitty! A wild manul caught on video with her four kittens on the Bayan Bulag grassland, #Xinjiang— Xinhua Culture&Travel (@XinhuaTravel) 13 March 2019

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Pogonip: Do you want universal coverage or do you want single payer?

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    B.B.A. says:

    @Steeplejack: to me, he’ll always be Coach McGuirk.

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    PSA: Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism is a known crank.
    You can judge for yourself in this Politico piece or go to her blog instead.
    She was anti-HRC in the last election and thanks to leftier-than-thou people like her we have the President we currently do.

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    lamh36 says:

    @JGabriel: damn…I kept saying Corybn…when I know I meant to say Cornyn…lol

    I know folks in Texas really can’t stand Ted Cruz, but they are still red voters, so likely to just vote straight GOP regardless. Beto needed more of those who split votes and IDK that the split vote phenomenon happens much in a red state like Texas, but if there was one pol who could make it happen Cruz was the best bet.

    I just don’t have the same feel that folks dislike Cornyn the way they did Cruz…and that why I wasn’t as bully on Beto winning agaist Cornyn

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: A special needs family I know from Ohio Son’s school days moved here from Texas. It took the mom several years to stop repeating, “There are so many services here, it’s nothing like Texas.”

    Another special needs mom I know who is divorced was considering moving to another state with her out-of-state beau who is also a special needs parent. She could rattle off which states have Medicaid waiting lists and which don’t, because that was one of their main considerations along with where they could find jobs.

    Eventually, he moved here and bought a house in our neighborhood. Their long-range plan is to leave one of the houses to one of the typical kids, with the stipulation that they keep an eye on the goings on in the other house, which will go to the two autistic kids, who will be looked after by Medicaid-funded aides. There aren’t a lot of group homes, so many families DIY it.

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    NotMax says:


    Perhaps my favorite song from Oh, What A Lovely War!.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Pogonip: Well I know you are in the US. Just wondered what state but you don’t have to say.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: and the Marblehead from Marblehead joins the ranks of the deluded

    Brianne Pfannenstiel @ brianneDMR
    NEW: Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton will travel to Iowa later this month — his first trip here since he said he said he’s taking “a very serious look” at running for president in 2020.

    I would suggest he try the pork tenderloin sandwich at the Marriott (or was it a Sheraton? ETA) in West Des Moines, where at about this point in the ’08 cycle I looked across the lobby as I was checking out and saw one Willard “Mitt” Romney in the flesh, getting ready to talk to people in the ballroom. No reason to waste his trip.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Roger Moore: we’ll see…as I said…it will be up to the other candidates to take Biden down a peg…sure the media may help…but there’s no telling.

    But I can tell ya…folks outside the internets…no of Biden’s foilbles…they just happen to like him…and other than the one who watch Fox News (the folks who are not likely to care for Biden anyway), not many of them see Biden’s “gaffes” as gaffes…heck…they don’t want a gaffe is.

    Again, I can only go by my own extended circle outside my social media circle, and that circle is Black women (27+), young/older white women (27-60), and Black men (mostly older than 30).

    I freely admit, my social circle has a shortage of white males…most of the white males I know w/any type of interaction is on social media…and that group on SM is a trainwreck…

    no offense.

    Again, I’m no expert

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    germy says:

    My New Plan to Climate-Proof Lower Manhattan

    Under the mayor’s new $10 billion plan, the waterfront of the Financial District will be built up to 500 feet into the East River to protect against flooding.

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    Dan B says:

    @Pogonip: Your angry personal attacks here are hurting your cause, with me for certain. There are many critical causes that will determine life or death for many people. The ones that grab peoples’ hearts have a better chance of advancing. It’s hard when you feel terrified to look for allies. You’ve lost me but you may have a chance with others here if you exercise some restraint and demonstrate humility and listen before responding with anger. I keep getting bumped off Medicare because of financial insecurity but I’ll continue to work for renewable energy because that affects me and billions of others, especially people with financial or political insecurity.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @schrodingers_cat: God, what an asshole.

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    Pogonip says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: There are a lot of us. Join us! Get those tweets out! Educate! Our Reverend King will be along. I have a feeling that that person will be a bereaved , photogenic, articulate relative of a type 1 diabetic. Our job is to begin to make a path ahead of us and our as yet unknown leader.

    Of the big independent blogs, Naked Capitalism for sure and Daily Kos, I believe, are with us. I think corporate blogs —Fox News, ABC, NBC, those types—will have to be phase 2–though by all means try them and, I hope, prove me wrong— although I have seen NBC slide skittishly up to the issue. They’ve run a few no-insulin-for-you-you-type-1- peasant stories, I know. Good on them.

    I’ve done Cole’s medium-size blog and will look for others. Religious blogs are also likely places to get those tweets out. I will try Rod Dreher if I can catch him between current enthusiasms. (I remember leaving him a note during his Dante phase in which I sympathized with Mrs. Dreher. He was quite amused and I hope she was too.). Mark Shea, who was widely read, kind of went over the edge. I think Dwight Longenecker is still pretty widely read, I’ll try him. Don’t know about bloggers from the other religions.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @germy: That’s an ambitious plan — worth noting that the contour of lower Manhattan has been changed over the years, with land area added, so there is a precedent. But the added height will be a new feature.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yes. Pkease join us in getting those tweets out, thanks!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Like Fair Economist, I’m a bit baffled by all the it’s too late talk. An observation about O’Rourke’s roll out, from an actual campaign expert, explains something about it

    Philippe Reines @ PhilippeReines
    Announcement by text message.
    If true, in the 17 days left of the 1st Quarter it’s conceivable he raises more than anyone else has with a big head start.
    Unlike polls, come 3/31 we’ll see the first hard numbers to rank the field.

    so those numbers will be a signal to donors and bundlers, organizers and the leaders of big groups like unions and activist umbrellas, people will either show momentum or start to fade away.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Pogonip: Er, pLease, sorry.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Dan B: Please join us in getting thise tweets the widest exposure possible, thanks! We gotta start somewhere! HElping Americans hear from people who don’t have to fear insurance companies is a good first step!

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    B.B.A. says:

    Dear DNC: There are too many candidates nowadays. Please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Pogonip: You don’t seem to be reading anything anyone is putting in replies to you. You won’t get banned, but you sure as hell are going to find yourself being ignored. Cheers.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I’m afraid I don’t tweet, nor have I any plans to do so.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Ohio Mom: We shouldn’t have to live like this. No one in the other industrialized countries has to live like this. Step 1, I think, is to get those tweets out, step 1a to do the same with any other educational material we run across. Eli Lilly has already retreated a step and no one’s even organized us yet. I think we’ll win.

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    lamh36 says:

    Anyway, as I’ve said already…Kamala’s my guy :-)

    But if Beto wants to come in and hopefully drain support from Bernie Sanders…I’m all for it. I don’t think that Beto support and Kamala’s support overlap enough for Beto to drain any support from her, the other candidates…well he could.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Me too. One of the many things that makes me mistrust my own judgment.

    ETA: yeah, I know, “make”

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    germy says:

    @Ohio Mom: Something has to be done. Each year there’s more flooding.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    My New Plan to Climate-Proof Lower Manhattan

    I like it. It hits the (current – will shift with time) sweet spot between is-it-snark and horrifying reality. Since he mentions the Green New Deal, and somebody quipped about the Soylent Green New Deal in a recent thread, and Yves was mentioned upthread, month-old piece:
    A Serious Green New Deal Would Take Up One-Third of the Economy—Are We Ready for That? (February 2, 2019, Yves Smith). (Soylent Green New Deal mentioned in a comment.)
    I disagree a bit; there is a role for greed, in accelerating innovation and associated new industries in non-carbon energy and related technologies; I care very little whether or not some of those involved become filthy rich, temporarily. Gotta break the carbon lock-in, forge new sensible path dependencies.

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    Pogonip says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You don’t have to. There’s a link above to those tweets. E-mail that link widely!

    I don’t tweet, either. And no Farcebook, either. However, they can be valuable weapons in our fight. Get that link into the hands of American Facebook and Twitter users. Some will post it.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @Miss Bianca: Seconded. We need a Democratic Senate.

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    @germy: The only flood protection Trump is interested in is around Mar-a-Loco.

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    NotMax says:


    Recharging the Battery?

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    lamh36 says:

    @schrodingers_cat: i like Beto fine, but I do not like his as possible President. Who needs another inexperienced White male as President…no matter how charismatic.

    We’ll see where we are after the primaries

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    Steeplejack says:


    Never saw that show (Home Movies, right?).

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    @lamh36: I have my doubts that a 1/3 of this field will make it to Iowa.

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    germy says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: And his properties overseas. Scotland.

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    @germy: I believe his Scottish properties are on bluffs like his place in PV.

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    lamh36 says:

    Lesley McSpadden, mother of Mike Brown is running for #Ferguson City Council. The election is April 2nd and I’m so excited!

    To support her campaign, you can donate here:

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    Sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: I wish you weren’t on the other end of my state, 4 hours away.

    Anyway, I have an autistic granddaughter who just turned five, which I gather is an important watershed for whether she’d regress or not. Apparently not.

    I remember a couple of years ago when we didn’t know if she would ever talk. A year later she babbled incessantly, but it was all echolalia (mimicking sounds she hears without understanding, like a parrot.)

    Now she’s sort of cracking jokes. She was over last week visiting. She decided she wanted to poke the radioactive cat. We said no because he’s old and ill and blind and doesn’t like small children. She was adamant , so her mother hauled her home in squawking disgrace. About ten minutes later my husband got a phone call: “Grandpa, Mommy is scary.” Then we hear her mother in the background ” You borrowed my phone to rat me out to Grandpa about the CAT!” Giggles from granddaughter.

    Two years ago we didn’t know if she would ever talk.

    My stepdaughter is an amazing (and amazingly ferocious) woman surrounded by a lot of people in a good city. There are a lot of good people working their butts off helping this kid and others like her. It’s really hard for all of them but they are plugging away.

    What drives me absolutely nuts is that help really does help these kids.If it’s provided many of them will be able to function in the world pretty well. I see them working around town all the time. But it needs government. My stepdaughter is stretched to limit taking care of this kid, and she has a lot of support as far as helpful relatives jumping in in a bind. But we can’t afford to pay for speech or occupational therapy. My city does. I don’t know why others don’t . But they don’t

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    Kay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I challenge

    Guffaw. I hate read him, I admit that :)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Changing it up from arguing. Booker Little Quartet, Minor Sweet.

    Relaxing with a nice glass of wine in honor of my son’s having been awarded a significant fellowship for next academic year. No details, sorry, don’t want to leave too many breadcrumbs.

    You know, several threads about college admissions over the last two days – he was a very good but not great student, applied to a number of very good schools and got rejected everywhere. That was a rough year. Went someplace he wasn’t enthusiastic about, after two years transferred to someplace he liked better, but still not the kind of place you bribe people for. Graduated, traveled, knocked around, did this or that, got one job that didn’t work out, got another, traveled some more (all on his own dime, BTW), did a few things that got some notice, got and lost another job, then thought – fuck it, maybe I should go to grad school. Applied to three of the four top schools in his desired field, got into every one. Now two months away from his Master’s, meeting and working with important people. Sometimes these things take time.

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    NotMax says:


    “Big, beautiful WALLS.”


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    ola azul says:


    Just finisht reading the Carreyou book “Bad Blood”. Couldn’t help divining a strong microcosmic parallel in the Elizabeth Holmes/Sunny Balwani shit-show with many aspects of the Trump admin. A fake-it-till-you-make-it greed-fueled ethos; repeated, deliberate lying to cover gross incompetence and failure; malignant unconcern for the welfare of those whose lives are entrusted to your decisions; and a rampant self-justifyng unaccountable ass-covering culture of eradicating anyone who displays a glimmer of conscience in favor of kiss-up, kick-down ass-kissing apologists and those willing and/or eager to lie on your behalf.

    It’s an infuriating book, but wholly representative of the zeitgeist of the New Gilded Age.


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    Bill Arnold says:

    Yeah, C. Stross’s Brexit commentary has long been pithy both on twitter and in his blog. An earlier longer draft of that (if i’m reading UK vs Twitter timestamps correctly) (via here) (bold mine, what caught this geek’s eye):

    It’s worse than that: about a quarter of the cabinet defied a three line whip and voted against the government they’re part of, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Secretary of State for Defence, and the Home Secretary.
    That’s not a back-bench rebellion: that’s near-as-dammit a constitutional crisis.
    Parliament has comprehensively rejected May’s brexit deal.
    Parliament has also comprehensively rejected brexit without a deal.
    All that’s left is:
    * Cancel Article 50
    * Request an extension and run a People’s Vote (second referendum)
    * Negotiate another deal (off the menu)
    * Crash out on March 29th, despite Parliament voting Not To Do That
    May is frantically pulling the levers but the control rods in the constitutional reactor have jammed and it’s dangerously close to going prompt critical. Steam explosion imminent …

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    dexwood says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Not all paths are straight and narrow, nor should they be. Your pride in him shines.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Pogonip: What the fuck happened to you? It’s very weird that you’ve become so obsessed with how you believe this community is lame – as Betty Cracker observed,

    vindictive concern-trolling about fellow commenters’ mental health or social status

    is most likely only going to persuade people you’re an asshole not worth reading.

    And this:

    None of which would need to be explained to you if you had an IQ larger than my bra size

    to Gin & Tonic is not nearly as clever an insult as you might believe, aimed at a person with more insight into the world in general than many could hope to gain in a lifetime.

    If you want to flounce, go the hell away already. The drama about possibly getting banned has become tiresome. Shut the fuck up and enjoy pi day tomorrow.

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    NotMax says:

    @Bill Arnold

    Churn, no bull.


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    eemom says:


    Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism is a known crank.
    You can judge for yourself in this Politico piece or go to her blog instead.
    She was anti-HRC in the last election and thanks to leftier-than-thou people like her we have the President we currently do.

    Thank you. With pogo stick sucking all the asshole oxygen out of the room I was afraid nobody was gonna think to point that out.

    She was also a Wall Street whore herself before she found Jesus. Or maybe she just got fired.

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    cokane says:

    Don’t agree and I think this is a vapid point this far out. The first primary is still a year away. There’s no reason to be setting deadlines on any candidates just yet, especially those not currently holding elected office.

    Obama declared on Feb 10, 2007, for what it’s worth.

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    Sab says:

    @eemom: Wow. Here you are. The question is why?

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    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    Shut the fuck up and enjoy pi day tomorrow.

    Mmmmmm, pi.

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    VividBlueDotty says:

    @zhena gogolia: Me too.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @HT Goller: –
    If Joe Biden is that uncertain whether he should run, it’s a sign that he shouldn’t.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think “everybody” is jumping into the race because they see a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to run against a uniquely vulnerable incumbent—someone who is so loathsome that it’s actually better than running against “generic Republican.” And they’re all thinking, “Hey, why not me?”

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    “Hey, why not me?”

    Yup, that’s what Baud said.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: If only Joe were perceptive enough to see that sign.

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    Bill Arnold says:


    Trump Resort in Ireland Will Build Seawalls to Protect Against Climate Change

    Eric Levitz at NYMag is getting close to writing a piece on how part of the agendas of the emerging Fascist movements worldwide is to set up a political climate where it is more acceptable to block climate refugees even though they’ll die otherwise. (We’re talking more like several billion fewer humans, BTW.) I think with some serious evidence, e.g. receipts (or leaked internal position papers, or …), he and many others would go there.
    Far-Right Climate Denial Is Scary. Far-Right Climate Acceptance Might Be Scarier. (Eric Levitz, MAR. 6, 2019)

    By contrast, if one insists that the U.S. government must put “America first,” then taking the most dire implications of climate science for granted makes Trump’s zero-sum, nationalist worldview appear more coherent, not less.
    It is worth remembering that a pillar of Adolf Hitler’s rationalization of conquest and genocide was an assertion of ecological scarcity. “The annual increase of population in Germany amounts to almost 900,000 souls,” Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf. “The difficulties of providing for this army of new citizens must grow from year to year and must finally lead to a catastrophe, unless ways and means are found which will forestall the danger of misery and hunger.” This premise informed the Nazi regime’s attempts to secure “living space” for the German people through both the extermination of the Jews, and the deliberate starvation of 30 million Eastern Europeans. Hitler’s genocidal Malthusianism was, of course, completely divorced from agricultural reality. The next fascistic tyrant’s may not be.

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    hilts says:


    no of Biden’s foilbles…they just happen to like him…and other than the one who watch Fox News (the folks who are not likely to care for Biden anyway), not many of them see Biden’s “gaffes” as gaffes…heck…they don’t want a gaffe is.

    A sampling of Biden’s gaffes / foibles:

    Biden admitted the next day that while in law school he had received an F for a course because he had plagiarized five pages from a published article in a term paper that he submitted. He admitted as well that he had falsely stated that British Labor official Denis Healey had given him the Kinnock tape. (Healey had denied the claim.) And Biden conceded that he had exaggerated in another matter by stating in a speech some years earlier that he had joined sit-ins to desegregate restaurants and movie theaters, and was thus actively involved in the civil rights movement. He protested, his press secretary clarified, “to desegregate one restaurant and one movie theater.” The latter two of these fibs were small potatoes by any reckoning, but in the context of other acts of dishonesty, they helped to form a bigger picture.

    Newsweek soon reported on a C-SPAN videotape from the previous April that showed Biden berating a heckler at a campaign stop. While lashing out at the audience member, Biden defended his academic credentials by inflating them, in a fashion that was notably unbecoming and petty for a presidential candidate.

    “I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do, I suspect,” Biden sniped at the voter. “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship.” That claim was false, as was another claim, made in the same rant, that he graduated in the top half of his law-school class. Biden wrongly stated, too, that he had earned three undergraduate degrees, when in fact he had earned one—a double major in history and political science. Another round of press inquiries followed, and Biden finally withdrew from the race on Sept. 23.


    These Biden gaffes are old but Republicans will have a field day digging up other flubs, mistakes, exaggerations or lies. Democrats can do much better than a tone deaf windbag like Joe Biden.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Bill Arnold: That latter was Snyder’s essential premise in Black Earth.

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    NotMax says:


    “Black cat or white cat, as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat.”
      – Deng Xiaoping


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    Ohio Mom says:

    @germy: I’m not disagreeing. I grew up in NYC. I remember as a child the downtown section of the FDR being a deep, deep puddle after just an everyday rain storm, and now we’ve all seen what a hurricane will do.

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    chris says:

    @Bill Arnold: Yup, I’m waiting for him to do a full write-up.

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    Sab says:

    @Steeplejack: He’s not that invunerable. He still has 40 % of the country. Sad but true. The guys (I’m midwestern: guys are also girls) who want to run had better be serious. This is going to be a tough, ugly fight because a significant minority of our country is appalling. Kind of like every other country in the world. We aren’t as exceptional as we want to be. We are still a sigificant democracy, so what we do or don’t do does possibly matter beyond us.

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    cokane says:

    @Steeplejack: Not just that, but whoever actually does beat Trump will be immortalized in the annals of progressive politics of this country (so long as they don’t fuck up big time in office, obviously). That’s the kind of ego-boosting legacy politicians live for. Not trying to knock any of the current candidates with that, but it’s just a fact about who runs for office.

    As well, there’s an outside shot at coming into office with a House and narrow Senate majority, so you might even get something done.

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    dexwood says:

    Recently, I read “what does it matter if the cat is black or white if it catches the mice”, attributed to a Korean saying. From a novel called The Plotters.

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    Pogonip says:

    By God, you may not believe this, and I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t—I dropped my dentures myself—but on the late news I just heard a couple of state-level politicians saying that insurance companies should NOT be allowed to deny anyone medication!!! And one said that “ we hope to be able to resolve this without legislation.” Which is Politician for “Insurance companies, restrain your rapacious greed on your own before our constituents force us to restrain it for you.” I didn’t catch their names, but they’re flirting with the idea of siding with us!

    Allons! Americans, write Rep, write Rep, write Rep, and Educate, Educate, Educate! And remember—any politician who sides with his constituents will be the target of ads with ominous music and a mean voiceover talking about how he is in favor of “socialized medicine” and “rationed care”. (Before you vote against such a politician because you don’t like any or all of his other positions, consider carefully whether you want to send him the message that siding with the peasantry will result in being sent home to Podunk.)

    Yves of Naked Capitalism has been hammering on the medical issue for years. She says, and, from typical comments I’d tend to agree, that her readership is disproportionately rich, old, male, well-colleged, and highly sophisticated financially and socially. These guys are the kind of people who get politicians’s attention—and they are also disproportionately on the right side of the medical issue. If even THEY are scared, they just may have been putting a few bugs in politicians’s ears on the golf course. After tonight’s news, I wonder…

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    Steeplejack says:


    I’m not saying Trump will be a pushover. He’s got his hard-core base, and the vote will probably come down, as always, to that weird 10% of voters in the middle. But Trump has more baggage than any other Republican. If he keeled over tomorrow and the 2020 race was against, say, Mike Pence, you know there would be a shitload of “never Trumpers,” “former Republicans” and “independent voters” who would go scurrying back to vote for the GOP now that the Trump taint was gone.

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    lamh36 says:

    @hilts: Republicans have always had a field day with Biden’s gaffes/foibles…show me where that has made any dent in Dem voters who feelings about Biden.

    Republicans also make hay out of Liz Warren’s, same as they did for HRC, same as they’ll do for ANY of the Dem candidates. ..that’s what they do.

    Doesn’t mean Dem voters will let that effect how they feel about a Dem candidate

    ETA: Oh and that Slade article is fro 2008…so it’s old to Repubicans and to the same Dems voters I’m talking about

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I remember Deng Xiaoping quoting that.

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    Pogonip says:

    @dexwood: I heard it from a Korean relative (in English—I don’t speak Korean).

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    Kay says:

    Well, one thing all these Democrats running have done is allowed people to see someone OTHER than Donald Trump and the various felons and incompetents he hires, and I think that has overall been a positive thing for the country.

    My God, for two years all we heard was the president bellowing lies. At least now there’s some other people to listen to. Elizabeth Warren alone has produced more substance in 6 weeks than the entire Trump Administration has in 3 years.

    So for all the people saying “it’s too long” or “there’s too many” do you want to go back to analyzing the moron’s tweets 24/7? Because that’s what you’re getting without them.

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    hilts says:


    I’ve always found Biden uniquely uninspiring and I believe many of the already declared candidates are far more impressive on both style and substance. To me, Biden is a huge windbag. He’s not a sexual predator like Trump, but I’ve always cringed at his very creepy behavior around women he finds attractive.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Sab: It’s wonderful to hear how much progress your granddaughter is making. And I can tell your stepdaughter is a great mom the way she picked up your granddaughter and took her home after she was still going after the cat. Autistic kids generally need very clear lines to be drawn.

    Early intervention is so important and SO expensive. We lucked out when Ohio Dad’s stepgrandmother died and left two year old Ohio Son a chunk of change. It was supposed to be a college fund but it was a speech, OT and ABA fund instead.

    Now it’s imortant to remember that autism is extremely heterogeneous. Some kids are able to make a lot of progress with very little intervention, others get intensive therapies and make very little progress, and then there are the ones who might not have made much progress without extra help, get it, and then take off, like your granddaughter.

    There isn’t any way of knowing where any one kid may end up, and there are late bloomers who surprise everyone. Still, it is criminal that all children who need extra help and attention aren’t getting it. We are wasting lives.

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    Sab says:

    @Steeplejack: Hope and pray you are right.

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    dexwood says:

    @Amir Khalid: @Pogonip:
    Might be a widely used saying in that part of the world everyone would like to take credit for. I like it regardless.
    ETA: The Plotters is written by Un-su Kim, a Korean novelist.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    What’s your opinion of Black Earth? (Timothy Snyder, 2015, just because google.)
    I didn’t know of it; looks pretty interesting. Anyway, current receipts would be required to glue it to the current situation. I strongly suspect that they exist.

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    Sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: I ‘ve seen that. I had a wonderful tax client, family of computer geniuses, whose autistic son aged about four, spent the entire interview licking our floormat because he found the texture to be intriguing. It’s a heartless condition. But we all know that many of the kids can be obviously reached, and many of the kids who we don’t think we are reaching are being reached, but we don’t se it yet. They hear, but they can’t speak yet.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Still, it is criminal that all children who need extra help and attention aren’t getting it. We are wasting lives.

    QFT. In so many arenas, including children with special needs and children who happen to live in the “wrong” neighborhoods. Education is such an important tool for personal development and economic advancement. It makes me wild to see such inequitable access to resources in our country.

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    Pogonip says:

    @dexwood: Like Mr. Chekov on the old Star Trek show saying everything was invented in Russia. 😁

    If you are in the U.S., please join the American Medical Crusade, which— I am still stunned—has just picked up a couple of politicians in a very Red area! I think we should start with education and letters to politicians, but if anybody wanted to picket an insurance company, I wouldn’t say them Nay.

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    cokane says:

    @Kay: well said. Yes, more primary coverage from now on. Only serves to get progressive policy ideas out there.

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    NotMax says:


    The Plotters was first published in 2010. Deng’s statement dates from 1978.

    Just FYI. As with Mao’s “Let a hundred flowers bloom” almost surely lifted from an even earlier source.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Sab: Mine paid close attention—a family trait—and if somebody was saying “Where’s that widget?!?” would go get it, years before he could speak beyond echolalia. He also had an infallible sense of direction. I would say, “Bob, how do we get to the doctor?”, he’d point out the turns, and off we’d go.

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    Sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: Lots of people think help, especially government help, doesn’t help, but actually it can be a godsend.

    You are a parent with a problem child. Lots of reasons. Is your family realy rich enough to deal with this? This kid will live in this world and condition for his/her life span. Is this a family problem or a community problem?

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    Aleta says:

    @Sab: many of the kids who we don’t think we are reaching are being reached, but we don’t see it yet.


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    Pogonip says:

    @Ohio Mom: My kid got lucky because my dad turned out to have a knack for working with the autistic. He could get Bob to stop the ear-piercing screeching when no one else could.

    Bob’s screeching dropped off sharply when Mom became too senile to watch Fox News. So he had a point. Cable news makes ME want to start screeching, too. 😊

    I’m so excited about the politicians in my Red area siding with Us The People I’m having a hard time getting sleepy! (See my remark #160 if you missed it.). When I got inspired to suggest We The People start an American Medical Crusade (or whatever it gets called by publicity pros), I anticipated Us The People slogging along like the Duke of Wellington: “Hard pounding this, gentlemen. Let us see who will pound the hardest.” And now I think the 2 Red politicians may be harbingers of things being not quite that hard.

    And our area’s REALLY red. Red as red can be. It’s just amazing that those guys were willing to go on TV in OUR favor!

    Well, goodnight!

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    Pogonip says:

    @Amir Khalid: Hi, Amir! Salaam aleikum and goodnight!

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    sab says:

    @Pogonip: @Pogonip: Could have been mine

    Maybe weird kids, but often very bright kids,

    Hope we keep them thinking and stretching, but mostly lets keep them safe.


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    eemom says:


    Ah, my newest little personal troll. Go fuck yourself, k? Or go cross jerk with your mentor, Joke in WV, and his pie filter sex toy. You make a lovely couple.

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    janesays says:

    @Sab: Agreed that Trump is going to be more formidable than some people are assuming, but I do think this is the best shot the Democrats have had at making someone a one-term president since GHWB in 1992. I don’t believe Cheetolini has expanded his base even slightly, and I can’t imagine he’ll pick up a single vote that he didn’t already have in 2016 (excluding the children of Trumplings who weren’t yet old enough to vote last time but will be this time). Bottom line, he barely won last time, and he can’t afford to lose almost any votes, especially in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida – all states where his margin of victory was under 1.5%. He’s easily the most beatable president we’ve had in nearly 30 years.

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    sab says:

    @eemom: @eemom: What a weird damaged person you are.

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