Breaking News: Former Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker Admits to Committing Perjury During His Public Testimony Before the House Judiciary Committee!

And there appears to have been a nascent attempt to reprise the Bush 43 US Attorneys firing scandal involved too boot! Nicholas Fandos of The New York Times has the scoop.

Update at 6:15 PM EDT

Here’s the video of Congressman Nadler’s remarks:

Discuss amongst yourselves…

Open thread!

181 replies
  1. 1
    Martin says:

    Gee, no shit.

  2. 2
    ByRookorbyCrook says:

    I am shocked. Shocked, I say. Thankfully he is no longer in government service… So did he resign because of this or because he was going to come clean?

  3. 3
    Librarian says:

    No wonder he was sweating so much.

  4. 4
    Baud says:

    Where is this coming from? Was there another hearing?

  5. 5
    mrmoshpotato says:

    Oh Meatball*…

    *See Wonkette.

  6. 6
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Yep, they had him back in today to clarify a few things from two weeks ago.

  7. 7

    Shocked, shocked.

    So, fuck this guy. How much trouble is Trump in?

  8. 8
    Baud says:


    Nadler said Whitaker’s response came after he was pressed in a closed-door session on CNN reporting from December that Trump twice vented to Whitaker about federal prosecutors who referenced the President’s actions in crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to.

    But the top Republican on the committee, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, disputed Nadler’s characterization, saying Whitaker told them he “did not talk with the president about Mr. Cohen at all.”

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    oldgold says:

    Does anyone know if today’s examination of Whitaker was conducted by experienced litigators or pols?

    Nadler’s wording is not a model of clarity. “Whitaker did not deny …” is different
    than “Whitaker admitted that …”

  11. 11
    MattF says:

    Lying is what they do. The surprise is that Whitaker (apparently) told the truth on one occasion. To a Democrat!

  12. 12
    MJS says:

    @Baud: Neither Whitaker nor Trump needed to say the name, “Cohen” to discuss the scope of Berman’s recusal.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @oldgold: Nadler’s a former prosecutor. So are almost every Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee. The GOP members on the committee include a disgraced and terminated former cop from Louisiana, a dentist from Arizona, and Gohmert!

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    MomSense says:

    I am shocked, shocked that Matthew big dick toilet Whitaker lied to Congress.

    In other news, I am a puddle of happy tears. We had a balloon juice miracle at my house today.

    More later.

  16. 16
    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh
    Uh huh 😒🙄

  17. 17

    @Adam L Silverman: Isn’t the dentist the one whose family said “Don’t Vote for this Guy”?

  18. 18
    NotMax says:

    Orange Lying is the new black.

  19. 19

    @MomSense: So you think you found the mustard, eh?

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    Searcher says:

    You’d think that people who committed so much crime would be better at it by now.

  22. 22
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MomSense: Mazel Tov! Today you are a Green Balloon!

  23. 23
    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense:So happy for you, whatever it is!

  24. 24
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That’s him.

  25. 25
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: She is very, very, very effective.

  26. 26
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Searcher: Practice makes perfect!

  27. 27
    rikyrah says:

    Jennifer #KamalaHarris2020 (@leftyjennyc) Tweeted:
    Things I have yet to hear one journo who’s interviewed Bernie Sanders ask him directly about:
    1. Rape essays
    2. Being a deadbeat dad
    3. Why he didn’t vote/have a job til 40
    4. Why he’s only proposed 350 bills in 30yrs & gotten <2% passed
    5. His civil rights record since the 60s

  28. 28
    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Mustard and a mop, what else could a gal want.

  29. 29
    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah: “Let me read to you from the TEXTBOOK THAT I WROTE.”

    I’m not sure if that’s exactly right, but it was a thing of beauty.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wasn’t Trump about to appoint Whitaker to a government position?

  32. 32
    kindness says:

    There isn’t enough popcorn but I sure will need moar.

  33. 33
    debbie says:


    Seconding WaterGirl. Good news is always welcome!

  34. 34
    debbie says:


    Brilliant, but why so many empty seats?

  35. 35
    leeleeFL says:

    @MomSense: Whatever the reason, I am happy for you!

  36. 36
    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I know what I hope it is, but it can’t be that, so I can’t wait to hear.

  37. 37


    You’d think that people who committed so much crime would be better at it by now.

    Not really. The whole reason these people resort to crime is because they’re incompetent. Even a marginally competent businessman with Trump’s inheritance wouldn’t need to cheat to make money.

  38. 38

    @Adam L Silverman: That only works if you’re smart enough to learn from your mistakes, this crew seems to have difficulty tying their shoes without tying them together.

  39. 39
    Luthe says:

    Is there anyone in this shitshow of an Administration who hasn’t lied to Congress?

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    @JPL: The mustard is a myth, there is no mustard.

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    Baud says:


    Can’t be what?! You’re also a tease.

  42. 42
    Karen H says:

    @zhena gogolia: Expect an announcement from Beto tomorrow. Volunteers are being mobilized for massive amount of texting.

  43. 43
    rikyrah says:

    Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) Tweeted:
    I must’ve missed Meghan McCain crying over Tucker Carlson’s deplorable comments about women, his jokes about child rape or Jeanine Pirro’s unhinged comments. But the Black Muslim woman scares her.

  44. 44
    terraformer says:

    @oldgold: Right? I thought it was weird when they brought in an outside prosecutor (was she? or some other capacity?) during the Kavanaugh hearings, but why not do it right back at them? Especially when pols don’t really know the subject matter (most of them) or otherwise aren’t good at the whole “questioning a hostile witness” kind of thing?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @MomSense: 🌞

  46. 46
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @WaterGirl: Somebody will have to remember to tell me in the AM because I won’t remember to ask..

  47. 47
    J R in WV says:

    So I read this B-J headline to wife, who shakes her head and says “So are all these guys STUPID?”

    To which one can only respond “Yes!” Yes, they are all stupid enough to lie under oath, as unbelievable as that is, to people who already know the answers to the questions they are about to lie about.

    Also, the college admissions fraudsters, who complete forms with signature lines, with fraudulent lies on them, also, too!!!

    All SO STUPID!!!!

  48. 48
    rikyrah says:

    That’s exactly what she said 😂😂😂

  49. 49
    rikyrah says:

    Happy for your miracle 🤗🤗

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    zhena gogolia says:


    What could a BJ miracle be???? Five cats came in the window?

  52. 52
    Doug R says:


    Jennifer #KamalaHarris2020 (@leftyjennyc) Tweeted:
    Things I have yet to hear one journo who’s interviewed Bernie Sanders ask him directly about:
    1. Rape essays
    2. Being a deadbeat dad
    3. Why he didn’t vote/have a job til 40
    4. Why he’s only proposed 350 bills in 30yrs & gotten <2% passed
    5. His civil rights record since the 60s

    6. What kind of Socialist takes help from the party but doesn’t help in return?

  53. 53
    Plato says:

    Bad news for the totus thug, his incompetent admin and the blog blowhards. Boeing has grounded the entire max fleet.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug R: @rikyrah: 7. Where are your tax returns?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I can’t say. Which reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from the movie Dave. Dave and the secret service guy are eating sandwiches late at night, and Dave asks him a question. Fast forward a bit to “You don’t know or you can’t say?” To which the bodyguard replies in his super deep voice “I can’t say”. Maybe you had to be there.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I will tell you in the morning.

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    rk says:

    Can I ask what is going to be done about this? Is there some action that congress can take directly, or does it have to be investigated elsewhere?

  58. 58
    zhena gogolia says:


    You were talking down below about the Tucker Carlson latest tape. It is literally nauseating.

    I also feel guilty that I laughed about Miss South Carolina back then.

  59. 59
    WaterGirl says:

    @Doug R: Your #6 is a most excellent question!

    @OzarkHillbilly: #7 is also most excellent!

  60. 60
    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Now I’ll have to keep checking BJ tonight. Not that I wasn’t going to do that anyway. But now I have to. I hate that.

  61. 61
    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’ll put this up top as an update, but here’s the video of Nadler’s remarks:

  62. 62
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @WaterGirl: @Baud: I won’t make you guys wait for my good news: I’m gonna be a grandpa again. Sept 26.

  63. 63
    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Congratulations! That’s awesome, gramps.

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    rikyrah says:

    Just STOP 😠😠

    Sam Stein (@samstein) Tweeted:
    Giuliani Ally: We Weren’t Dangling A Pardon. We Were Referencing Garth Brooks Lyrics.

    Via @swin24

  65. 65
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: Nope. He fully left the DOJ about a week ago.

  66. 66
    Josie says:


    I’m happy for you. Can’t wait to hear about your good fortune.

  67. 67
    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Money quote fro Nadler:

    “That’s a position of a mobster, not the President of the United States.”

  68. 68
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: They wear loafers, slip ons, and the ones that have velcro closures.

  69. 69
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Luthe: Mattis, the Joint Chiefs, and the heads of the Intel agencies. And that’s pretty much it.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Baud: Hey, Grandpa! What wonderful news!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @terraformer: They did that because there weren’t any female Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee and they were worried about optics. They’ve since put two female Republican senators on that committee. Neither of them are attorneys.

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    rikyrah says:

    Congratulations 🎉❣️👏

  73. 73
    debbie says:


    Picturing Rudi listening to Garth Brooks. Unpossible.

  74. 74
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Mazel tov! Mumtez jiddan!

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Maybe the questioning scared him off. Alas. //

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: Yep.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That is some sweet news! I’m not going to see my little one until Friday.

  78. 78
    Mary G says:

    Update: We’re 85% of the way to the 65,000 donors required to be invited to the @TheDemocrats debate. We’re not there yet, though, and need your participation to make it to 65,000. Would you please consider making a $3 donation today?— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) March 13, 2019

    I have never donated in primaries, but I’ve been waffling over who to support. Not sure Pete is the guy, but he definitely needs to be in the debates, so I threw in the $3.

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    debbie says:


    Congratulations! No such thing as too many grandkids, or so I’m told.

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    rk says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    That tape is horrible. I have a daughter with health issues. There are times when she needs help from strangers. So far she has always met people who have been kind and helpful. But I shudder to think that there are men who would would find her in a vulnerable position and think that they should take advantage. Out of all the awful things this bastard said the “wounded gazelle” comment really got to me.
    The Miss South Carolina viral video always made me cringe. I never thought that she was ignorant. It just seems like she got nervous and started babbling.

  81. 81
    zhena gogolia says:


    He is such a slimeball. I wish I thought he would get his just desserts.

  82. 82
    WaterGirl says:

    @Mary G: I’m really liking Pete. Liked him on Preet’s podcast, liked him on Pod Save America, liked the short clip someone linked to yesterday. Tonight I am going to listen to the CNN town hall video.

  83. 83
    realbtl says:

    One of the few things about the Trump maladministration that give me satisfaction is the number of people going “That fucking Trump! We were in fat city and then that asshole decides to run for president and win and now look at the shit that’s coming down.” It must be in the hundreds.

  84. 84
    rikyrah says:

    I will ask again…where is the lie?

    Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) Tweeted:
    MSNBC: Is Mike Pence an honorable man?

    @SenWarren: No.

    MSNBC: Want to explain?

    WARREN: “Anyone who engages in the kind of homophobia and attacks on people who are different from himself is not an honorable person. That’s not what honorable people do.”

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    ruemara says:

    @zhena gogolia: A BJ miracle sounds like a Christmas elf p Ør no.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I think everything except your bank account number is in that link!

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    trollhattan says:

    Can the day get any better? Possibly, you decide.

    Right-wing personality Jacob Wohl appears to have faked death threats against himself.

    Involving the police is where this goes from a hilarious self-own to a hilarious legal self-own. According to his own “documentary,” Wohl reported threats he made to himself to the police, which is anywhere between a misdemeanor to a felony carrying a maximum ten-year prison sentence depending on the content of the false police report (Jussie Smollett was just charged with 16 felony counts for filing a false police report). The Daily Beast obtained a police report that only said Wohl gave the cops printed tweets as evidence, but did not specify which ones, so we cannot say with certainty that Jacob Wohl is in dire legal jeopardy.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @rikyrah: Jesus, is that one still banging on about how Ilhan Omar hurt Uncle Lieberman’s fee-fees?

    Justin Baragona @ justinbaragona
    OF COURSE Meghan McCain thinks it’s unfair to criticize legacy admissions at universities and military academies

    Shorter Megs: “My Daddy was a war hero!” She has an English degree from Columbia. For some reason she was asked once to help Time Magazine pick their hot one hundred or whatever they called that (do they still do that?). Someone leaked her unedited comments on the selection process, and she said they really tried to find cases that were “year poignant”. You could just tell she thought she was using a really smart person’s phrasing there.

    Richard M. Nixon @ dick_nixon
    As I said we don’t bother with her but I do wonder what it’s like to have negative self-awareness. A dog has self-awareness. He learns how to look better to you and he does it.

    I wonder if Sherin came up with “negative self-awareness” just for her. She’s earned it.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Wait, is that private information? I just cut and paste the link. I’ll ask to have it deleted.

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    NotMax says:


    That number is reserved for use by a Nigerian prince.


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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @rikyrah: Can you stop beating around the bush Senator and tell us how you really feel?

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    @Doug R:

    What kind of Socialist takes help from the party but doesn’t help in return?

    The rule is “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”. I think what this says about Bernie’s ability is obvious.

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    JPL says:

    @rk: I met someone whose son knew her and she really is suppose to be a lovely girl. Tucker is a horrible person, but we knew that.

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    Barbara says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I will not watch The View so long as McCain is on the show. Their latest conservative hire is — wait for it — Abby Huntsman! I don’t know how Joy Behar stands it.

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    Barbara says:

    @rk: Because, you know, teenagers never get nervous and start babbling when you point bright lights at them and ask them questions in front of large groups of people.

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    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m shocked that she would admit that her family didn’t attend a military academy because of merit. Just shocked.

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    They wear loafers, slip ons, and the ones that have velcro closures.

    I’m pretty sure these guys could velcro their shoes together, so those ones are probably out.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Lawrence O’Donnell did an excellent segment with Rep. Katie Porter (D-CA) last night. Description and video link here.

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    The Miss South Carolina viral video always made me cringe. I never thought that she was ignorant. It just seems like she got nervous and started babbling.

    I feel the same way. I think she actually had something reasonable to say but just couldn’t get it out under pressure.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    OF COURSE Meghan McCain thinks it’s unfair to criticize legacy admissions at universities and military academies

    To paraphrase a person wiser than myself, no man whose name ends in III earned his place in the world.

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    Ruviana says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What in the hell is “year poignant? ” I can’t even begin to imagine what she thought she was saying!

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    Raven says:


    Children of Medal of Honor Recipients
    Children (biological or adopted) of persons who have been awarded the Medal of Honor for acts performed in the armed forces who are fully qualified for admission are automatically appointed. There is no limit to the number of midshipmen who may be at the academy with this source of nomination.

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    Baud says:

    @Roger Moore: Except Bobby Three Sticks

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    WaterGirl says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe not that he knows of?

    P.S. If Baud doesn’t have any kids, then having grandkids would be another BJ miracle!

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    NotMax says:

    @Roger Moore

    Don’t knock the Velcro. As someone whose feet intermittently and randomly are subject to becoming swollen, those closures are a boon when it becomes necessary to adjust the fit of the footwear.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Richard M. Nixon @ dick_nixon
    If memory serves I think McCain himself even said he didn’t belong at Annapolis. He was never shy about admitting what a disgrace of a midshipman he was.

    I think this was all part of his cultivation of the lovable rogue (made good) image, but yeah, he was pretty open about graduating near the bottom of his class, and how his mother (Mrs Admiral McCain II) improperly intervened when he was about to get into serious academic trouble (I originally typed “booted out”, but I don’t know if it went that far, and his Wiki page is silent on the matter)

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    None of the McCains earned the MOH. McCain III was a pure legacy admission.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Not every congressional hearing attracts a big crowd.

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    Raven says:

    @Roger Moore: Oh really? Thanks for that incredible insight.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: BillinGlendaleCAIII? I had no idea.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I thought about changing my nym to WaterGirl III, but then I’d be in moderation, waiting to be fished out, and the thread would be dead before it posted, and then I would have to change it back. Life as WG III would be hard.

    edit: I swear I wrote that before I saw #112.

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    oldgold says:

    Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee are beefing up their legal team by hiring two top attorneys to help the panel with its oversight of the Trump administration.

    Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday announced the addition of Norman Eisen and Barry Berke – two vocal critics of President Trump – to the committee legal staff…… Berke has written extensively with Eisen on obstruction of justice and other potential legal exposures involving Trump. He is seen as a powerful litigator with vast experience.


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    WaterGirl says:

    @Raven: So now I’m confused. Did someone in McCain’s family win the medal of honor?

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    @Baud: It is true, my real name is quite impressive; I, however, am not.

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    NotMax says:


    Why stop at a tripstick? WaterGirlXIX has a nice look to it.


    Drawing a blank on the name of a guy met one time but do recall he was a VII.

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    Except Bobby Three Sticks

    I don’t think he earned his place in the world, either. That doesn’t mean he’s doing a bad job, but he got a lot of help along the way.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @NotMax: WaterGirl XXX would definitely give the wrong idea. :-)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @WaterGirl: That’s better than Woody Allen yanking Marshall McLuhan from behind the movie line.

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    Martin says:

    @rikyrah: I legitimately want to cry tears of joy every time I see Rep Porter up there. We busted our ass to get her elected, and I’ve known her for years. I am not surprised she is getting attention. She is crazy smart, ethical, and determined.

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    NotMax says:


    Not pronounced Mangrove Throat Warbler by any chance, is it?


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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @NotMax: Orel Hershiser the major league pitcher was THE FOURTH. And he named his son Orel, making him the FIFTH. I guess there’s a thin line between a family legacy and a family curse.

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    Steeplejack says:

    From the grammar police files: commas matter!

    C’mon, Fox News. A current headline on their site:

    Michelle Obama, daughters’ personal tennis instructor charged in college bribery scheme.

    Sorta makes it sound like Michelle was charged, right? No, it’s just some guy who—way down in the story—is “a tennis coach who worked with the family of former President Barack Obama.”

    Ernst was at Georgetown from 2012 to 2017 and was the personal instructor of former first lady Michelle Obama and her daughters, Sasha and Malia, according to the Providence Journal. None of the Obamas are implicated in the scandal in any way.


    And when I went back to the page to get the link I saw that the headline has been changed to:

    Personal tennis instructor for Michelle Obama, her daughters charged in bribery scheme.

    I know this is nothing out of the ordinary for Fox; they do it every day. But I got a jolt when it came up in my Google news feed and I had to take a look.

    ETA: And it’s still showing up the first way in Google News on my phone.

  125. 125
    Bill Arnold says:


    Bad news for the totus thug, his incompetent admin and the blog blowhards. Boeing has grounded the entire max fleet.

    Haven’t read all the recent threads (work got priority), but in case it hasn’t been noted, the WSJ reports that the government shutdown stopped work on a fix for the 737 problem for 5 weeks.
    US to ground all Boeing 737 MAX 8 and 9 jets in wake of crash – Software update, which may have been delayed by government shutdown, promised “by April.” (SEAN GALLAGHER, 3/13/2019)
    Boeing to Make Key Change in 737 MAX Cockpit Software (Andrew Tangel and Andy Pasztor, March 12, 2019, paywalled.)

    U.S. officials have said that the federal government’s recent shutdown also halted work on the fix for five weeks.

    (FWIW was able to read the WSJ piece with the Opera browser on another machine.)

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    NotMax says:


    So, an instance of ‘orel history.’

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Your photos say your are, William III.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Absolutely! I bet that was a great moment for her.

    Not at all the same, but it reminds me of when I was a cashier at the grocery store while I put myself through college. We always had to ask if that was their current address and get an ID. So some guy comes through my line and the address on his check is the house I was currently living in! (And the guys who moved out had left it really really dirty!)

    Me: Can I get your current address?”

    Him: He gets all uppity and says “It’s right there, can’t you read?”
    Speaking very slowly and arrogantly, he says: 4-0-5 Buena Vista St, Champaign, IL 61820.

    Me: “You can’t live there – because I live there.”

    Him: Um, uh, um…

    Everyone else in line: Laughing at this total asshole.

    That’s as close as I’ll ever come to “Let me read it to you from this book that I wrote”.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    I don’t doubt that Whitaker is a lying sack of shit but Nadler is out over his skis with the perjury claim, based on what’s public at this point

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    Martin says:

    @Roger Moore: Yeah, he didn’t either. Went to Princeton Prep. He had his M.A. before he enlisted. Earned his JD after his service.

    For the record, if an applicant shows up in my lap with a bronze star, he/she is getting admitted and I don’t fucking care what your parents name is. Your record before that event is going to be largely immaterial to who you are after. There are so few such candidates that it’s worth taking the risk on their academic background, and in every such case that I’ve admitted like that, the applicant excelled. Determination can overcome a lot of poor prep.

    Y’all can fight me on that one.

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    NotMax says:


    Could have been worse, could have been the ball boy.


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    Bill Arnold says:

    @zhena gogolia:
    I’ll defer to Steeplejack on whether any of those fields are private (userid makes me nervous) but in general, you don’t need anything including and past the “?” when reading from the html… end of the url (left to right), unless you are trying to link the results of a search or something similar.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    the WSJ reports that the government shutdown stopped work on a fix for the 737 problem for 5 weeks.

    Holy fuck! Shutdowns have consequences!

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    @Baud: Willy Windsor’s got nothing on me.

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    Brickley Paiste says:

    I like the _personal_ tennis trainer part. So he was on staff full time training the Obama daughters? No other clients?


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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Fie! Deserts.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @rikyrah: This was on Lawrence’s show. Also on later show he showed her questioning the prez of Wells Fargo.

    Saw she was born in IA, went to Phillips Academy in Andover. The school presents itself very well on its web page.

    Anyone here know anything about this school?

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    Bill Arnold says:


    Michelle Obama, daughters’ personal tennis instructor charged in college bribery scheme.

    Time to ramp up the FNN advertiser boycotts?
    They ran out of deniability for this bullshit behavior the third time they labeled a R politician embroiled in scandal as a “D” (early/mid 2000s?)
    (Haven’t found a comprehensive list yet. Does anyone know of such a list?)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: It’s one of the ritziest prep schools in the US.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    No, I was joking! There’s just a lot of shmutz in that URL.

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    sukabi says:

    If it hasn’t been said yet LOCK HIM UP,

    If it has been said it’s worth repeating.

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    NotMax says:


    Old school, um, old school. Where the elite meet to wear chinos and docksiders.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Anyway, current tuition runs $56k/yr; alumni include JFK, both Presidents Bush, etc. You get the picture.

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    Brickley Paiste says:


    It’s a good backup for people who can’t get into Exeter.

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    chris says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: I went to school in MA and knew a couple of people from lesser schools. They were all lesser schools. tuition was and is about the same as harvard.

    We visited Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts to see what makes it the best high school in America. The school is often confused with Phillips Exeter. There are 1,154 students on Andover’s campus. Tuition for students living on campus is $53,900.Oct 28, 2017

    ETA: I see via G&T tuition has gone up since 2017

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    Steeplejack says:


    I don’t know how Joy Behar stands it.

    She used to be a stand-up comedian, so she knows from hard times and obnoxious people. To be 76 years old, sitting behind a big desk and making serious network money to put up with nitwits must be a walk in the park. And it’s clear that no one stops her from bashing them regularly.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Thanks. Sorry about the desserts! I was hungry.

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    Steeplejack says:


    [. . .] and then I would have to change it back.

    If you change your nym, the old one is still good. The new one is additional. You don’t have to “change back.” Just put the old nym in the “Name” slot and proceed.

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    Starfish says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: That is one of the best known private high schools in the whole country. I think I may know someone who went there, possibly on scholarship.

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    ljdramone says:

    @WaterGirl: John McCain Senior and John McCain Junior were both Naval Academy graduates who became four-star Navy admirals, so you could say John McCain III had a bit of an advantage in getting an appointment to Annapolis.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    No problem.

    As Bill Arnold said, you can almost always jettison everything after a question mark in a URL (including the question mark). The big exception is YouTube links, where the specific video to watch comes after the question mark.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Martin: if it’s with the valor device, then yes. But they now give Bronze Stars as end of tour awards depending on the commander and the unit.
    That’s how Tom Cotton got one for being on a provincial reconstruction team.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    So RT asked above about consequences for Whittaker, but no one seems to have addressed the question (that I can see).

    He gets away with it? No consequences at all? F***ing A.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Jesus, it has just been a matter of hours. How “instant” does everything have to be?

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    Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog says:



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    Mary G says:

    Hell must have frozen over; Mitch McConnell let a bill be voted on and the majority voted the right way:

    Senate rebukes Trump with vote ordering U.S. military to end support for Saudi-led war in Yemen

    I still don’t understand why Wilmer’s getting the lead credit on this bill when Chris Murphy has been trying to do it for years now.

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    Luthe says:

    @Roger Moore: One of my professors was a III. He is a brilliant classicist, an excellent teacher and mentor, and an all around awesome person. His son, the IV, is shaping up to be the same way.

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    Amir Khalid says:


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    For the record, if an applicant shows up in my lap with a bronze star, he/she is getting admitted and I don’t fucking care what your parents name is.

    Definitely. Real world achievement is a better predictor of future achievement than academic record. I’m just imagining being the college admissions officer looking over Malala Yousafzai’s application…

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Fair enough. I’m just tired of conservative liars getting away with shit: Kushner, Trump(s), Sessions, et al.

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    I also had a professor with a III after his name, and he was excellent at his job. I’m not saying that anyone who gets ahead because of their family is a bumbling fool, just that they got a big head start.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Prickly Waste: “Out over his skis” is vastly preferable to “head up his arse,” which is a perfect description of the position you’ve been in ever since you showed up here, asshole.

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    Ken says:


    How “instant” does everything have to be?

    In a properly-run dystopian dictatorship, we’d be watching the tapes of his tearful confession to espionage, sabotage, and crimethink at the next Two Minutes Hate.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    So the Bronze Star is now a participation trophy? Thought that was the purpose served by the Good Conduct medal.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @West of the Rockies, @Ken:

    I mellowed out with an episode of America’s Test Kitchen on sous vide cooking. Perfect hands-off poached eggs in 12 minutes. I think I’m in love.

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    joel hanes says:

    I would be Joel Hanes IV except that my family of small-town merchants thought numerical postscripts were pretentious, and went with different middle names instead.
    But my kid is not named Joel because his Mom would not hear of it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Depends on the unit and the commander.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Everyone E-6 and above in 1AD got a BSM following the Persian Gulf War. 2ACR gave out a handful.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Is that the same as soft-boiled eggs? I love those, but–damn!–they’re difficult to get right, at least with a scrappy electric stove.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    I think they’re different. To me, soft-boiled eggs have a runny yolk but the white is “set.” Still recognizable as a “boiled egg.” Poached eggs have a runny yolk and a not quite set white. Picture the egg in eggs Benedict.

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    NotMax says:


    People always freak out about preparing poached eggs. Not at all difficult, provided one adds white vinegar to the water they’ll be poaching in and has a good slotted spoon.

    @West of the Rockies

    different. Soft boiled are prepared in the shell.

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    Steeplejack says:


    The ATK sous vide poached eggs were done in the shell—169° for 12 minutes. Then an ice bath to room temperature. When the shell is cracked the egg sort of bloops out into the poached-egg shape.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: 1ID managed to keep it to E8 and above, E7 if combat arms.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    @Steeplejack: huh. I’ve become fond of the microwave. 1 cup of water, round bottom cup, egg, and either plastic wrap or a saucer for a lid. Baseline is 1 minute but because wattages and tastes vary you’ll need to test. (2 eggs, 55 seconds for me.) Oh, and 1 minute hollandaise if I’m going for the benedict.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Kirk Spencer: To be fair, my milieu was combat arms so 1AD may have limited it to combat arms as well.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was combat arms as well. However I had friends and contacts in support/servicesupport elements.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Kirk Spencer: Tracking. I’m not trying to disparage anyone but Cotton in regard to his second one. The first one came from his combat tour. The second one for his PRT assignment. Let’s just say you assigned the O3s you didn’t want to the PRTs. If you really, really didn’t want them you sent them to the Afghan Hands mess.

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    Waynski says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, I guess it’s become a participation trophy. My Uncle Johnny got his by jumping into a burning ammunition truck that was hit by a mortar and driving it into a ditch, leaping out on the way down before it exploded in WWII Germany to save his platoon.

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    Waynski says:

    @West of the Rockies: Easier at sea level for soft boiled eggs. They’re tricky at altitude.

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    Wayne Marks says:

    @West of the Rockies: Easier at sea level for soft boiled eggs. They’re tricky at altitude.

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