Milwaukee Bound

I think I might go, depending on the nominee:

Democrats picked Milwaukee on Monday to host their 2020 national convention, setting up the party’s standard-bearer to accept the presidential nomination in the heart of the old industrial belt that delivered Donald Trump to the White House.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez chose Milwaukee over Houston and Miami after deliberations lingered longer than party leaders or officials from the three finalist cities had expected.

“This choice is a statement of our values,” Perez said in a statement. “The Democratic Party is the party of working people, and Milwaukee is a city of working people.”

There is no chance in hell I would have gone to Houston or Miami in the middle of god damned August.

I also don’t understand the “working people” nonsense. People work everywhere. If they don’t, they don’t eat or have health care or a house. We’re not all Meghan McCain, you know.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    Of course they are referring to ol lunch bucket and all. Usually coded male, as if women working is an afterthought, and office people aren’t really working class either. Plumbers are working class, data transcribers aren’t even mentioned although we make less than plumbers.

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    jonas says:

    I agree with this sentiment about “working class” people. Every city has them. Milwaukee has a sizeable African-American and Latino population, as well (aside from that crazy-ass sheriff guy) so I hope they use this as a way of underscoring that “working class” does not have to = white guys, and don’t just show up and talk about steel mills and Harleys the whole time.

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    Mandalay says:

    I also don’t understand the “working people” nonsense. People work everywhere.

    This. That remark by Perez was a poor choice of words. Hardly the end of the world, but counterproductive.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    This sort of rhetoric makes me cringe on all levels: it’s coded male, coded things like white working class male, and a sop to their feelings. I didn’t work for 20 years pounding a keyboard to be considered an invisible part of the working class-as black and female and office worker, nobody ever even panders to me at all. Never mind my family pretty much codes working class-factory workers, medical assistance, public service worker, we are still invisible.

    Another reason why I am unhappy is that it seems like a left-over longing for the people who have long abandoned the Party because we had the audacity to treat people not like them as human. Also a sense of Democratic male insecurities because we have become the party of professionals and cities and what not. And the idea is that such rhetoric holds off the calling of Democrats as “elite”. If being elite is because you have an education, then we should own it instead of pandering.

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    you and the dogs need more beachtime in your life, John.

    but I would argue against a convention in any place vulnerable to a hurricane between June through November, so…

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @PaulWartenberg: Also anywhere you need to dash from building to building because of the heat. Miami and Houston may be nice cities. but in the summer? No thanks. Milwaukee at least has the possibility of 70 degree days during the convention, and the air conditioning a nice medium temperature as opposed to needing meat locker temps just so its mild inside.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    OT but today was Commonwealth Day and they had a lovely service at Westminster Abbey attended by the Queen and all the rest of the Royal Family along with representatives of the 53 Countries that form the Commonwealth. Other than the pomp I don’t usually enjoy these things because they are heavily religious and boring but this one was different. It focused heavily on Climate Change and other various threats to the planet and its inhabitants. Many of the speakers spoke of our number one priority has to be protecting the planet and the people and animals on it. There were some religious bits, prayers given by a Church of England Vicar, A Muslim Imman, A Sheik minister, and a Catholic Priest. They also spoke about us being stewards of the planet that we inhabit. It was very refreshing and very nice. I enjoyed it.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    OT–just heard my 76yo brother Jim has had a heart attack! Asking for prayers and good wishes. Thanks

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Good wishes to him and you.

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    Kent says:

    Everyone in the media should be constantly reminded that Hillary killed Trump with working class voters. Absolutely killed him.

    They just weren’t necessary white or mail or rust-belt.

    As for Milwaukee. I think it’s as good of a choice as any. I tend to think the TV set aspect of the convention is more important than the actual city. I think the Denver convention where Obama gave his acceptance speech at Mile High stadium was especially effective. I remember thinking how amazingly cool it was to see the Black Eyed Peas and I don’t remember who else opening for Obama.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Oh no! Hopefully he got care soon! Much love and healing light to you and your family.

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    geg6 says:

    Please remember your pants this time, please.

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    geg6 says:


    Plumbers are working class

    Yep, and it drives me crazy. Plumbers make about three times what I make, even with my fancy graduate degree.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    Such rhetoric means we don’t really come up with effective social policy for people who aren’t lunchbucket, such as Uber drivers, admin assistants, baristas, cab drivers and such. Often times temporary, contract or working on non-union office environments, our benefits are either the safety net or (thankfully for me) union benefits from the one employer who can’t pick up and move, the Feds. BTW, Trump is determined to take those away-cut my pension, small as it is, make pension vesting more years needed (from 3 years to 5), and make firing arbitrary.

    He really hates the non-partisan Civil Service because we are professionals who don’t care if he’s President or not, we take pride in our job, and most of us will probably out last and even outlive him. His minions hate us because they can’t fire us and fill the slots with devoted Trumpers or people who they can collect bribes from.

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    geg6 says:


    Sending you and your brother good thoughts.

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    MattF says:

    One should remember that Perez is a party apparatchik and will use apparatchik-talk. I like him, and I think he’s very good at what he does– but you have to keep that in mind.

    I guess that ‘working class’ is a nod from Perez towards the neo-leftists in the party and probably also towards that vestigal part of the D party that’s still union-oriented. It’s not entirely misdirected, considering that the recent teacher’s union strikes have been the most effective moves against RW state governments that we’ve seen for a while.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @PaulWartenberg: What? You think just because a body of water is fresh it can’t have beaches?

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    eric says:

    @hells littlest angel: does he know anything about Oklahoma?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Yeah, “working class,” to me, should be the people who cobble together two or three barely-above-minimum jobs because the asshole who came up with $300 large to buy the franchise that employs them won’t give them enough hours. Not the union tradesman who can afford a $30k motorcycle that he rides four months out of 12.

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    germy says:

    “What’s made Milwaukee famous (made a loser out of me)”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @mrmoshpotato: It can have beaches, just none worth going to.

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    WhatsMyNym says:

    @geg6: A relative of mine made more as a waitress than she did after finishing her Masters and working for the state.

    ETA: she had worked at a very good and busy restaurant.

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    hilts says:


    It’s only Monday, but Byron York gets my vote for biggest conservative columnist jackass of the week for writing this:

    President Trump often complains that he is the victim of “presidential harassment”.. The president’s adversaries of course dismiss his protests as self-interested whining. But the fact is, Trump has a point. He is the target of an extraordinary combination, not just of federal law enforcement and congressional probes, but a long list of less-discussed but potentially consequential investigations by state and local prosecutors and regulators.Together, it adds up to a pile-on of unprecedented proportions, by and large the work of blue-state Democrats who stand to gain politically if their investigations succeed in crippling the president…What has happened is that Democrats, in Congress and in some key blue states, saw investigation as a way to weaken a president they never thought would be elected and want to ensure is not re-elected in 2020. And Trump, with the most extensive business history ever brought to the presidency, presented a lot of avenues of investigation. When he complains about harassment, he has a legitimate case to make

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Good wishes sent. There are all sorts of heart attacks. Here’s hoping his was on the mild side.

    Re: Milwaukee. Ohio Family went there once. It’s a cute city. Plus it’s very close to Chicago so you can get two cities in one trip. And then there are the Lake Michigan beaches. Some of them are almost as nice as being at the ocean (depending on the ocean beach). Cole could make a nice vacation out of it.

    One of our stops was the Grohmann Museum, housed in an engineering college, which shows the evolution of work in painting and sculpture. From handicrafts to factories and everything inbetween.

    From an art history perspective, it’s a mish-mash of quality but from a sociological viewpoint, it’s an education. I can’t think of another museum anywhere like it. So maybe “celebrating work” is sort of a Milwaukee thing.

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    Barbara says:

    @miroker: All “old line” cities are more segregated. Pittsburgh is more segregated than Charlotte, Cincinnati is more segregated than Atlanta and on and on. That’s because so much more housing in “new” cities has been built after non-discrimination laws were enacted, and new neighborhoods do not reflect an established “pattern” of sorting that took place in an earlier era through de jure and de facto exclusionary practices. To a very large degree, the more housing a city has that was built after 1970, the more integrated a city will be, on average. Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, to name two, have seen fairly dramatic outflow of population with relatively little new construction.

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    ruemara says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Best wishes to Jim.

    I was reading someone retweeted by Matt Y regarding the pathetic triangulation and timidity of the Democratic party because they’re considering what plays well with white people. Not to be pedantic, but have you seen what white people have done to this country in response to civil rights? I’m not angry or sad. It’s just a fact that a level of consideration of what white people need to feel welcoming towards democrats is required.

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    Barbara says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: I hope he is in good hands and quickly on the way to recovery and rehab.

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    @Ladyraxterinok: Fingers crossed. I had a heart attack in August and feel great. Here’s hoping he has the same result. The stent is a miracle of modern medicine.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @PaulWartenberg: I still can’t believe they had the 2012 RNC in Tampa during hurricane season. What a clusterfuck that was — even without a hurricane!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Sending healing vibes! What @Dorothy A. Winsor said about stents. It’s amazing what they can do these days.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Well, this means that the Democratic nominee will have been to Wisconsin at least once, which will somehow prevent 1.4 million cheeseheads from voting for a deranged nazi rapist next time. Right, Berniebros?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    Alice Cooper: Actually it’s pronounced “mill-e-wah-que,” which is Algonquin for, “the good land.”
    Wayne Campbell: I was not aware of that.
    Alice Cooper: I think one of the most interesting aspects of Milwaukee is the fact that it’s the only major American city to have ever elected three socialist mayors.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Oh ouch. May salty monster waves haunt your dreams.

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    Hm. Well maybe it’ll help get people there to register and vote. I understand 90,000 people there were disqualified in 2016, and they would have given us Wisconsin for Clinton. And the lakefront is nice.

    @hells littlest angel: Let ’em talk that shit all they want. The GOP hasn’t grasped the fact that socialism is no longer a dirty word for anybody under 40 or so.

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    Gravenstone says:


    aside from that crazy-ass sheriff guy

    His ass is long gone.

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    BobS says:

    Actually, when I hear “working people” and “Milwaukee” together, I think of the union workers fighting for their rights in Wisconsin 7 or 8 years ago (and yeah, I know that was in Madison).

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @CarolDuhart2: The civil service is a big part of what is keeping things going even as Trump and the rest of his party work hard on dismantling the administrative state.

    I hope the next president takes a moment to point out how essential the civil service has been all through the Trump years.

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    Gravenstone says:


    He is the target of an extraordinary combination, not just of federal law enforcement and congressional probes, but a long list of less-discussed but potentially consequential investigations by state and local prosecutors and regulators.

    This is what happens when cockroaches slither into the light. Lots of people start pointing bludgeoning instruments or cans of insecticide in their general direction. He has only himself and his lifelong pursuit of of criminal acts to blame.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Good wishes to you and your family.

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    BobS says:

    @Chyron HR: Not to presume to answer for the “Berniebros” (and keep working on the coalition building), but maybe running a little harder at Wisconsin will result in 1.4 million + 1 “cheeseheads” voting for the Democrat.

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    Mary G says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Will be holding Jim and you in the light, and hoping for a good result like Dorothy’s.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gravenstone: Yes thankfully, he’s gone. I wouldn’t put it past that fascist fool to arrest visiting Democrats for laughing at his Chuck E Cheese ribbons. Of course, the laughter would be an involuntary reflex.

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    rikyrah says:

    sending positive thoughts and hopes for a complete recovery.

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    rikyrah says:

    Wisconsin is one of the three states, along with Michigan and PA, that went for Dolt45 in 2016, and we made great gains in 2018.

    I will remind folks that the number of our voters denied the franchise due to VOTER SUPPRESSION, all three states, was two-to-three times the margin of Dolt45’s ‘ victory’ in those states.

    We don’t have to ‘reach out’ to Dolt45 voters..
    We just have to make sure that OUR voters can get to the polls.

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    Brachiator says:


    Such rhetoric means we don’t really come up with effective social policy for people who aren’t lunchbucket, such as Uber drivers, admin assistants, baristas, cab drivers and such. Often times temporary, contract or working on non-union office environments, our benefits are either the safety net or (thankfully for me) union benefits from the one employer who can’t pick up and move, the Feds.

    Great points in this and other posts. We need to stop pitting worker against worker, recognize that despite a changing economic picture, the working class includes a ton of folks.

    And yeah, I especially tire of the crap that leads to the nonsense that black people ain’t working, but are somewhere up in the clouds and don’t exist in the real world, trying to take care of their families just like everybody else.

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    raven says:

    Bucks’ Malcolm Brogdon: Racially segregated Milwaukee needs to change ‘rapidly’

    “Before I came to Milwaukee I’d heard the city was the most segregated in the country,” Brogdon said in the article. “I’d heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I’ve never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee’s very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.”

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    catclub says:


    A Sheik minister,

    Sikh? Chic?

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    Cacti says:

    Agree that the “working people” dog whistle is well past its retirement date.

    Unless you’re independently wealthy, you’re part of the working class.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @eric: Most people in OK don’t know anything about how strong the socialists were at one time in OK. According to Wikipedia the party in OK in the 1st decade of the 20th century was 1 of the strongest in the country; it had the support of 1in 5 in OK. Its anti-war stance in WWI cost it most of its support.

    Per wiki, the support came from the small farmers being ground down by the railroads and land and food corporations

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    West of the Rockies says:


    True dat… Here in California, no one works; we’re all movie stars and rappers and athletes and dot-com gazillionaires.

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    noncarborundum says:

    It’s funny. When I read “Milwaukee is a city of working people” the first people who came to mind were Laverne and Shirley.

    And I was actually born there.

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    catclub says:


    And Trump, with the most extensive business history ever brought to the presidency, presented a lot of avenues of investigation.

    just put that ‘business history’ in quotes, and those avenues of investigation immediately lead to mob money (Russian and other),
    money laundering and tax evasion

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Yeah, I think it’s more about not repeating Hillary’s error than in championing the working class.

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    noncarborundum says:


    Sikh? Chic?

    The sixth chic Sikh’s sixth sheikh’s sick.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Well, let’s hope democracy and the American way can start to be saved in the city my old dad came to from Ellis Island.

    ETA: He wasn’t old at the time, only 18.

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    raven says:

    @noncarborundum: My dad was the football coach at Wauwatosa many moons ago.

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    debbie says:


    Fingers, etc. crossed for a speedy recovery!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @hells littlest angel:

    My father was so proud of the socialist mayor of Milwaukee!

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    JCJ says:

    Well Mr Cole, I will gladly treat you and other jackals to a nice dinner if you come to MKE. I live about 25 minutes from the arena.

    As others have linked, Giannis Antetokounmpo is the star, but Malcom Brogdon is an awesome human being. I am glad he has developed into such an important member of the team.

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    John, you’ll love Milwaukee! Especially the Third Ward and lakeshore! You need to go.

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    SFAW says:


    And Trump, with the most extensive business history ever brought to the presidency

    John Gotti had an “extensive business history,” and was also harassed and hounded by those evil Demon-crats! So Traitor-in-Chief is in “interesting” company.

    Of course, Gotti was about a skillion times more competent than Fuckhead will EVER be. And his actions probably resulted in fewer deaths than Fuckhead’s have.

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    Mary G says:

    Not gonna link, but Hugh Hewitt outdoes himself in his WaPo column today, in which he enthuses about a potential Democratic presidential candidate who’s the second coming of Bobby Kennedy.

    Wait for it…

    Seth Moulton.

    He’s decided that Twitler has been sucessful in packing the federal courts for the next few decades, and won’t be reelected anyway, so he’s jumped that sinking ship. I’m hoping Bobby’s ghost slaps that smirk right off his face and Twitler tweets mean things at him.

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    SFAW says:

    Best wishes to you and your brother, and hopes for a speedy and complete recovery.

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    SFAW says:

    @Mary G:

    Seth Moulton.

    Hey, given things playing out as they might, Moulton might have a lot of free time after January, 2021.

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    hilts says:

    @Gravenstone: @catclub: @SFAW:

    Byron York is a bed wetting conservative douchebag clutching at straws. He can’t accept the fact that Trump is a crook so he’s desperately trying to spin this bullshit narrative that Democrats are over reaching. Trump is getting the scrutiny he deserves and hopefully he’ll be removed from the White House in 2020 if not sooner.

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    delk says:

    Photo ops galore with the Fonzie statue!

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    JCJ says:

    Yeah! The Bronze Fonz will be on everybody’s must-see list!

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    Aleta says:

    I really should remember to taper my transition in and out of DST so it won’t mess me up this much. (For 3-6 days, say.) The natural change in light in the shoulder seasons is hard enough.

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    sherparick1 says:

    @Mandalay: If it drags Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan into the Democratic column, I don’t care what BS terms they use. Also, as you say, in the summer time Milwaukee with Lake Michigan cooling the place is a lot more pleasant than Houston or Miami in late July and or Early August.

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    trollhattan says:

    Can the conventioning Dems go troll li’l Paulie during the event? A few buses idling in front, a second-line marching band, Medicaid recipients hoisting “We’re still covered” signs?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mary G:

    Not gonna link, but Hugh Hewitt outdoes himself in his WaPo column today, in which he enthuses about a potential Democratic presidential candidate who’s the second coming of Bobby Kennedy.

    Hugh Hewitt is desperately trying to attain the level of mediocrity of a David Brooks.

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    sherparick1 says:

    @hilts: Speaking of apparatchiks, Byron York has always taken his orders from the Central Committee of the Conservative Movement which is all Team Trump right now. Also, the investigations by Mueller and Southern District of New York were not originated by “Democrats” as much as the these asshole Republicans say so. As it is, it is all projection given the number of investigations they launched at Hillary and the Obama administration for no legitimate reasons other than firing up the Base.

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    chris says:

    Haha! America still has moments of greatness.

    Metalheads with kazoos drown out Westboro Church

    “These people are coming out and speaking a bunch of ignorance about my friend,” Blythe said. “I don’t like that. So we came out and just drowned them out. That’s the easiest way. There’s no point in engaging these people.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Apart from the mid-August weather in the three finalist cities, would note that Florida and Texas have GOP governors, while Wisconsin’s governor has a “D” after his name. It’ll be nice for Tony Evers to play host.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @catclub: Apologies for my spelling. Sikh.

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    (checks last time a Milwaukee beach was listed among the greatest in the world)

    (calmly sips a tropical drink from the brilliant sandy coastline of Clearwater Beach, watching the waves roll in and the pelicans fly)

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    Matt says:

    Milwaukee is a city of working people

    Shorter Tom Perez: “And by working I mean white.”

    That “DNC should do a debate on Faux Nooz” thing a few days back wasn’t a gaffe. The die-hards that control the party apparatus would dive head-first into an oven as long as they got to push the hippies and the blahs in first.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    Paulie Blue Eyes will probably be in an undisclosed location serving on a conservative “think tank.”

    OT… I’m a big Harris fan. If she weren’t around and Jerry Brown were 20 years younger though… He’s done a lot for California.

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    germy says:

    Election Watchdog Hits Jeb Bush’s Super-PAC With Massive Fine for Taking Money From Foreign Nationals

    Neil Bush, Jeb’s brother, was caught asking a Chinese businessman for money.

    Isn’t this business as usual with republicans?

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    James E Powell says:

    I also don’t understand the “working people” nonsense. People work everywhere.

    Out here in Los Angeles, we don’t work, we aren’t Real Americans®, and we only matter to the national press/media when the New York Times wants to publish yet another clueless anthropological essay.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @PaulWartenberg: Taking the goalposts for a walk, eh? I see no mention of greatness at the start of this banter.

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    satby says:

    Of John decides to go to Milwaukee, I hope he decides to swing by Chicago! We can have a fantastic meet up!

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    Update on my brother Jim– Drs put 2 stents in an artery and plan to send him home in 3 to 4 days.

    Thank you all for prayers and good wishes and thoughts

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    tobie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Thanks for pointing out Wisconsin’s Democratic governor. That is actually a good reason for choosing the state for the party convention.

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    Aleta says:

    @Mary G:
    @Mary G: Some quotes from “not running yet” Moulton:

    Feb 12: Brookings Institute, foreign policy speech
    “time to completely re-imagine our arms, our alliances, and our arms control”
    “an all-hands-on-deck approach to national security. Russia and China have embraced this. Terrorist groups embody it. But here in America, we have regressed”

    March 7 interview in Atlantic:

    “I think Donald Trump is a lot harder to beat than most Democrats think. But I’m also quietly confident that I can beat him, and I don’t think it’ll be the hardest thing that I do in my life”

    Moulton has been worried for years that people haven’t been paying attention to how much of an immediate threat Trump is. (quotes on nuclear threat)

    He hasn’t started fundraising or hiring a staff. But he’s acting as if he has already entered the race.

    [Me: I don’t believe he hasn’t “started.”]

    We were sitting around a conference table in the shared workspace he uses for his PAC headquarters. … [talking about conditions in North Korea, Afghanistan, and Syria]. He blamed the Trump dysfunction on what he says is a combination of dishonesty and incompetence.

    Moulton said he sees the same tendencies in some of the Democrats.

    “Candidates are running on a message of division, just like Trump did. It’s not as bad. It’s not as immoral. But I hear divisiveness in a lot of the other campaigns,” he said.

    To him, that includes the Green New Deal. … Moulton said he’s working on a version of his own, drawn more deeply from conversations with experts. “I think we want to be careful that we don’t become hypocrites and start ignoring science, just like the right has been doing,” he said.


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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Matt: Perez made the right decision on Fox. It’s not like he was the one trying to make it happen.

    Perez is one of the good guys. Give him a break.

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    trollhattan says:

    Sounds like good news, indeed. Continued best wishes!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby: Yes!

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    Aleta says:

    Cont. 2/2, Re Moulton

    (Atlantic interview cont.) He said his stand against Pelosi is a perfect demonstration of how willing he is to take on the establishment, in a way that makes much more sense to people around the country, particularly in swing districts, than to liberals and the people in power in Washington.

    His next stop is South Carolina. Then Iowa. Then Nevada. And back and forth often to New Hampshire, which is only about a 45-minute drive from his condo in Salem.

    Today, IMO, his press office announcement to NH TV was timed with the appearance of that Hewitt column:

    will visit NH on Saturday, March 16, to attend a pre-St. Patrick’s Day party with the New Hampshire Young Democrats

    will return to New Hampshire on March 22

    In the Atlantic again, same interview as above

    “On March 19 and 20, he’ll be in South Carolina, joining former state Representative James Smith, another veteran, whom Moulton endorsed in his race for governor last year. He will also attend an event sponsored by college Democrats at the University of South Carolina, and he has plans to visit the other early-primary states by the end of April.”

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Sounds good!

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    Kay says:


    What it means is people who work for an hourly wage rather than a salary. They have no weekly minimum. If they work 10 hours over a 40 week they get paid for 10 hours. Conversely, if they work 50 hours they get paid for 50, not 40.

    You could do it all kinds of ways- the labor department has a whole section devoted to people eligible for overtime and people who are not- teachers were not (they’re in the “educated” category) which is why they ended up with contracts- if they didn’t have a contract they would probably work unlimited overtime. It’s just a really complex idea, but there ARE actual guidelines.

    I don’t know when people decided it was this amorphous impossible thing to determine- state and federal regulations figure it out and apply it in real terms all the time.

    It means something- has a definition. We don’t have to make it so complicated. It’s INCLUSIVE in the rules, so let’s just use the rules instead of this bullshit “lunch bucket” thing that doesn’t mean anything.

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    Brachiator says:


    Update on my brother Jim– Drs put 2 stents in an artery and plan to send him home in 3 to 4 days.

    Good news.

    Hope things continue to go well.


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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Matt: WTF, dude? Tom Perez is Dominican and headed the DOJ Civil Rights division. How he got tagged as some “establishment” power broker is beyond me.

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    ErikTheRed says:

    There is no chance in hell I would have gone to Houston or Miami in the middle of god damned August.

    If you’ve never been around here before, you’d be surprised how crappy THIS part of the country can be, too, in August.

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    daryljfontaine says:

    @ErikTheRed: Agreed. I can speak to August in Milwaukee from years of attending GenCon (before it moved to Indianapolis) — weeks of 100-degree weather were not unheard of.


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    SFAW says:


    Byron York is a bed wetting conservative douchebag clutching at straws.

    There’s a bunch of redundant words in that sentence.

    Trump is getting the scrutiny he deserves

    Not hardly. But there’s always hope he will. I don’t believe any of his business ventures for the last 30 years is totally above-board, and it probably extends much further back than that.

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    scav says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Some people just equate toxic, red and in their basements with tidal greatness. Takes all sorts.

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    Kay says:

    I mean, you CAN define it, and it’s very inclusive! The only reason it turned into this dumb “people who wear hard hats” thing is because idiot pundits don’t know we have a whole elaborate federal scheme that defines these categories of workers.

    I would suggest just taking all the subjective bullshit out of it and looking to the rules. It’s easier and it includes (of course) black people and women and also coal miners. No one said we had to accept these ridiculous made-up definitions. We have some! They’ve been in place since the Fair Labor Standards Act. They’re handy, if we want to put workers into categories.

    The federal overtime provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Unless exempt, employees covered by the Act must receive overtime pay for hours worked over 40 in a workweek at a rate not less than time and one-half their regular rates of pay.

    That’s an objective standard. Does it include every situation and every person? No. But if you want to start with a real definition those are available. No “hard hats and lunch buckets” needed. That’s where the subjective stuff comes in.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: Best wishes for your brother’s recovery. We will keep him in our thoughts…and prayers. I really, really wish the RWNJs hadn’t made “thoughts and prayers” such a sick joke of a phrase, because sometimes it really does convey what we mean to say.

    @Aleta: Oh, fuck that asshole. I am so, so sick of “white male savior” politicians and their MSM fluffers.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: All my best thoughts for you and your brother.

    @geg6: I have a friend who’s a pediatric psychiatrist and his high school best friend has an effectively larger take home as a plumber than my friend Ernie, because plumbers don’t have the kinds of loans to repay that docs do. Even if he hadn’t done an extra year of residency to get all three Pediatric, Neurology, and Psych boards, he tells me his plumber friend would still be ahead of him.

    I recommend plumbing and electrician as careers to my friends’ kids all the time.

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    NotMax says:

    If you’re going to go (though I don’t understand why anyone who is not a delegate or who makes his/her living as a journalist would crave to), book a hotel room NOW.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @scav: LOL! Call now and we’ll throw in a decorative hurricane at no extra charge!

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    Kay says:

    And what the OBAMA administration argued (rightly, I believe) was that these rules have been influenced by subjective bias having to do with the perceived VALUE of work and workers, hence home health care workers weren’t getting overtime.

    Home health care workers. Who happen to be 90% female and mostly non-white.

    But to talk about it rationally you have to define it, and you can’t use political pundit defintnions, which are made up and silly.

    And luckily we don’t have to! Because we;ve been categorizing workers for 150 years. We have to! It matters! People who make a salary really are different than people who are paid hourly.

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    NotMax says:



    though I don’t understand why anyone who is not a delegate or who makes his/her living as a journalist or as a hooker would crave to


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    Kay says:

    I would suggest that it harms working class people to continue to insist that there is no such thing as working class people.

    Because there is such a thing. And they will be harmed if they are treated exactly the same as salaried workers. Are teachers highly paid? No. They aren’t eligible for overtime either. So how was that addressed? They got CONTRACTS. If they hadn’t have gotten contracts they would have been salaried workers working 60 hours a week for 50k, so you know, they talked about real things and got themselves contracts. They could have said “I’m college educated and salaried to therefore NOT working class” (true!) but instead they came up with a practical definition.

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    Bufflars says:

    Lurker and Milwaukee native / resident here. Pretty excited about this news, honestly. Never been to a convention and hadn’t ever really considered traveling to one but if it’s here I’m definitely looking at going.

    Regarding the segregation here, it is really startling and was quite apparent even as a kid growing up in the lily-white East side and busing to a much more segregated school near downtown. The ethnicity map from the 2010 census is really eye-popping:

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: It’s small consolation but the plumber does not have scores of special needs moms sighing with stars in their eyes like teenage girls watching their idols in performance at the mention of Dr. P’s name.

    I’ve seen it. The other one eliciting this response is his colleague Dr E.

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    Mary G says:

    @Aleta: Seth Moulton is auditioning for the role of Fox News’ pet “Democratic” pundit after he loses his next primary.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Ohio Mom: I put his name in there just for you. He is a gem of a person, as well as a great doc. He sent me a list of the best places to get a dx that he and I think his colleague Dr. E (but perhaps another) compiled that changed the life of a friend’s son – not to mention hers. Her son has blossomed from a pre-teen with quarterly impatient visits for suicidality into a hopeful teen on the spectrum, because he can get the right therapy and services in a fashion his family can afford.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @NotMax: One of the advantages of the Kohler family’s little golf obsession around here. In order to get repeat PGA tournament slots at their courses here, there needed to be a substantial build out of hotel accommodations within 100 miles of the venues. As a result, there is decent supply in the area.

    Or if someone is really in a pinch, I’ve got a spare bedroom or two about an hour north of Milwaukee.

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    J R in WV says:


    Now here’s a place and time where we agree on something. Well said!!

    And Bryan York, writing in the DC print media most like Faux news, with the same bullshit level. Trump isn’t being harassed, he’s about to be prosecuted for his many crimes, not for being President, but for being criminal while presidenting.

    On a completely different topic, there are great beaches on Lake Michigan, which is nearly oceanic in many ways.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    it’s very close to Chicago

    I’ve missed the thread, but I see that someone nailed the best thing about Milwaukee!

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    Rick says:

    “(aside from that crazy-ass sheriff guy)”

    He’s gone.

    “it’s very close to Chicago”

    Not much of a Milwaukeean.

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    VidaLoca says:

    There is no chance in hell I would have gone to Houston or Miami in the middle of god damned August.

    I’ll grant your point about Houston or Miami but you’d be surprised how much it can suck here in August, too.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    you’d be surprised how much it can suck here in August, too.

    Name a place never sucks in August.

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